T2 IRC Log: 2007-11-13

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--- Log opened Tue Nov 13 00:00:18 2007
00:07 < tri> gn8
00:07 < tri> cu
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05:58 < rxr> moin
06:05 < emte> hey
06:19 < rxr> hi emte
06:34 < CIA-12> rene * r26871 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-i810/xf86-video-i810.desc: * updated xf86-video-i810 (2.1.1 -> 2.1.99)
06:50 < CIA-12> rene * r26872 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-ati/xf86-video-ati.desc: * updated xf86-video-ati (6.7.195 -> 6.7.196)
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06:51 < rxr> hi KillerX
06:52 < KillerX> hi rxr!
06:54 < KillerX> rxr: I have a list of builds that fail on embedded target with dietlibc
06:54 < KillerX> Most of them I can live without, but coreutils fails too :(
06:55 < KillerX> So I can't `ls' ;)
06:55 < rxr> trunk or branches/7.0 ?
06:56 < rxr> (i guess for x86?)
06:56 < KillerX> x86, trunk
06:57 < CIA-12> rene * r26873 /trunk/package/x11/cairomm/cairomm.desc: * updated cairomm (1.4.4 -> 1.4.6)
06:58 < KillerX> http://pastebin.osuosl.org/3371 <-- complete list
06:59 < KillerX> Of these, I guess coreutils and squashfs-tools are most important
07:06 < CIA-12> rene * r26874 /trunk/package/network/collectd/collectd.desc: * updated collectd (4.2.0 -> 4.2.1)
07:31 < rxr> oh - distrowatch picked up the -rc2 without an announcement mail
07:31 < rxr> nice
07:48 < Ragnarin> ;D
07:48 < rxr> moin Ragnarin
07:48 < rxr> err g'evening :-)
07:48 < Ragnarin> good evening
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08:25 [@ChanServ] [ Cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ LMJ_p ] [ Ragnarin] [ valentin]
08:25 [ CIA-12 ] [ dsoul] [ Key_Gena] [ mqueiros_] [ rxr ] [ yokoy_ ]
08:25 [ Codex ] [ emte ] [ KillerX ] [ mtr ] [ TobiX ]
08:25 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
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09:15 < mtr> moin
09:17 < rxr> moin mtr
09:18 < mtr> there are still 7.0-rc cross build issues for me, is it OK to commit into 7.0-rc2, or should we follow a restricted commit policy now?
09:19 < mtr> like dbus-glib, there is patch which needs to be merged from trunk
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09:31 < rxr> mtr: it's ok to commit into the branches/7.0
09:31 < rxr> but not into the 7.0-rc2 tag :-)
09:31 < rxr> I target a 7.0-final in 2 weeks
09:32 < rxr> feel free to merge safe stuff into the 7.0 branch and/or let me know about bugs
09:32 < rxr> Ragnar|away: btw. xfs performs quite good on the LVM
09:33 < rxr> still faster than reiserfs(3) after some continuous cross reference building of trunk with ccache
09:33 < rxr> that is some million files touched created wiped etc.
09:33 < rxr> JFS degraded way faster
09:33 < rxr> with a cold cache, two ongoing builds it is even as fast as:
09:34 < rxr> # time svn up
09:34 < rxr> real 0m4.466s
09:34 < rxr> user 0m0.176s
09:34 < rxr> sys 0m0.488s
09:34 < rxr> well - or better not exactly cold, just not really warm ...
09:35 * rxr still waiting for the reiserfs meassure
09:37 < rxr> real 2m11.913s
09:37 < rxr> user 0m0.424s
09:37 < rxr> sys 0m1.292s
09:37 < rxr> ^- equally mid warm/cold
09:37 < rxr> reiserfs second run:
09:37 < rxr> real 0m19.650s
09:37 < rxr> user 0m0.180s
09:37 < rxr> sys 0m0.368s
09:38 < rxr> (RAID5 of 3 decent SATA drives on a 8-core Xeon, ...)
09:42 < yokoy_> moin
09:43 < CIA-12> mtr * r26875 /branches/7.0/package/network/dbus-glib/ (dbus-glib.conf dbus-glib.desc non-native.patch.cross): * merged r25596 from trunk: fixed dbus-glib to cross build
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10:26 < Baldzius> morning
10:27 < rxr> moin Baldzius
10:27 < Baldzius> hi rxr
10:28 < rxr> Baldzius: I was burned out enough from the endless non-x86 boot and run at all fixing that I decided to finally release -rc2
10:28 < rxr> the 3 (?) currently known security fixes can then go into the -final
10:28 < rxr> we hopefully can releae in approx. 14 days
10:28 < Baldzius> yeah i guess
10:28 < Baldzius> not a big issue
10:30 < Baldzius> rxr: could you look at this, util-linux is forked and verision we have currently seems to have security issues
10:30 < Baldzius> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux-ng/v2.13/v2.13-ReleaseNotes
10:30 < rxr> for of such trivial crap
10:30 < rxr> my oh my
10:30 < rxr> as if we would not have enough stuff todo ...
10:31 < Baldzius> yeah :)
10:31 < Baldzius> i jumped in to 7.0 train too late :)
10:32 < rxr> no problem, you do a amazing security job and there are not that many known security issues left to take care off :-)
10:32 < rxr> I added this util-linux link to my "7.0" "basket"
10:32 < rxr> btw. don't forget to digg our story:
10:33 < rxr> http://digg.com/linux_unix/T2_SDE_7_0_rc2_Autumn_Leaves_released
10:33 < Baldzius> yeah , that would be the last thing left i think
10:34 < Baldzius> also there's myql left but no workarounds available yet
10:35 < Baldzius> oh g* i need to register, crap, how i hate that :/
10:35 < rxr> yeah - me too :-)
10:35 < rxr> thanks god they have a "password reminder button" .-)
10:36 < Baldzius> ql, i think i was registered previsouly
10:36 < rxr> ^- mtr -^
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10:38 < Baldzius> done
10:41 < rxr> heh - now I got a powerpoint and word viewer in wine
10:41 < rxr> just for naturally speaking ...
10:41 < KillerX> dugg!
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11:24 < CIA-12> rene * r26876 /trunk/package/x11/xscreensaver/xscreensaver.desc: * updated xscreensaver (5.03 -> 5.04)
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13:15 < rxr> re
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14:22 < rxr> Aufgewärmt und sogleich datiert: Neues zu Apples Subnotebook
14:22 < rxr> http://macnews.de/news/104290.html
14:27 < rxr> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/11/12/ultra_portable_apple_notebook_to_splash_down_at_macworld_expo.html
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16:03 < write_erase> hi rxr
16:25 < CIA-12> rene * r26878 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-ps3/ (. 64bit.patch xf86-video-ps3.cache xf86-video-ps3.desc): * added xf86-video-ps3 (2007-11-A11) - An accelerated X.org video driver for Sony's PlayStation 3
16:36 < rxr> A11
16:36 < rxr> damn
16:36 < rxr> I need sleep ..
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18:10 < tri> moin
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18:12 < tri> are all package from 8.0 are also in 7.0-rc ?
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18:25 < tri> hm i have problems building parted - something about readline support _
18:26 < DigitalOktay> Hi People
18:26 < DigitalOktay> Hallo Leute
18:27 < tri> hi DigitalOktay
18:28 < DigitalOktay> can anyone speak german here?
18:37 < unleaded> probably, but it might be better if they typed german?
18:41 < tri> ich spreche deutsch :-)
18:41 < tri> z.b. computer sind nur da um probleme zu loesen die man ohne sie nicht haette :-)
18:44 < DigitalOktay> hehe
18:45 < DigitalOktay> gut gut
18:45 < DigitalOktay> wie ich gesehen hab, ist T2 recht aktuell
18:47 < DigitalOktay> was für ein Paketsystem wird benutzt?
18:49 < tri> puh jetzt hoffentlich kann ich dir helfen...
18:49 < tri> also kein packet system
18:49 < tri> alles aus den sourcen
18:49 < tri> mit bash scripte
18:49 < tri> welche die desc dateien (und co) auswerten
18:49 < tri> siehe die paketmatrix auf der homepage
18:50 < tri> eine kleine aenderung an dem desc file und beim naechsten emerge-pkg hat man die aktuelle version so easy :-)
18:50 < tri> sehr cool ist auch das t2 handbook
18:52 < DigitalOktay> alles mit .sh ;)
18:53 < tri> und lua
18:53 < tri> und es laueft abhaengikeiten selber auf ohne das man das in die desc dateien schreiben muesste
18:53 < tri> :-)
18:53 < DigitalOktay> nicht wie Debian das man mal Abhaengigkeitsprobleme hat :D
18:56 < tri> hat ich bisher noch nicht
18:59 < tri> verwendest du schon t2 - wie kommst du auf t2 ?
19:00 < DigitalOktay> ich benutze Debian "Unstable", hat mir ein Kollege gesagt und so dann hab ich gegooglt bin ich dann auf eure T2 Seite mit den IRC-Channels gestoßen
19:00 < tri> ah cool - es gibt seit gestern die 7.0-rc2
19:00 < tri> kannst ja mal spielen :-)
19:01 < tri> fuer so kalte winter tage wie heute optimal...
19:02 < DigitalOktay> wie laeuft die Installation ab, geht sie automatisch oder muss ich sie einzeln kompilieren wie Gentoo
19:02 < DigitalOktay> :D
19:02 < tri> einzel kompilieren aber du kannst auf deinem jetzigen pc auch schon die pakete kompilieren
19:03 < DigitalOktay> hmm würde doch lange dauern :D
19:04 < tri> naja einen tag vielleicht aber der winter ist ja noch laenger
19:04 < tri> but this is a english channel we should talk in english ?
19:05 < DigitalOktay> ok but my english is not so good :)
19:07 < tri> my english is worse - but it is enough to talk about the weather :-)
19:08 < DigitalOktay> yes thats true
19:10 < rxr> re
19:10 < DigitalOktay> Hey my friend calls me, he has problem with his pc, i visit again,
19:11 < tri> cu
19:12 < DigitalOktay> cu channel ;)
19:12 < rxr> DigitalOktay: t2 kann direkt installations und Live CDs erstellen
19:12 < rxr> das binary-Release von heute ist ein vorkompiliertes minimal system
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19:12 < kic-> hola
19:12 < rxr> the -final will either be a installable desktop or live desktop
19:12 < tri> inkl. den binarys der wichtigsten anwendugen
19:13 < rxr> we build different flavours for the releases to have the different choices / options available pre-built on the servers
19:13 < tri> is there a plan to make binarys available through some t2 servers
19:13 < tri> application binarys
19:13 < tri> rxr: is the copy kernel source to /usr/src a new option ?
19:14 < tri> are all packages from the package matrix in the newest version in the 7.0-rc ?
19:15 < Ragnar|away> hi hi
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19:23 < rxr> re
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19:34 < yokoy_> hi,
19:35 < yokoy_> could someone give me a hint please?
19:35 < yokoy_> i try to build a target with incl busybox
19:35 < kic-> sorry, what was the problem?
19:35 < yokoy_> :-) one moment
19:35 < yokoy_> in the target dir I put a file busybox.config
19:35 < kic-> anyone remember the command to check if your video card is set for direct rendering?
19:36 < kic-> like xvinf or something
19:36 < yokoy_> CONFIG_AR=n
19:36 < yokoy_> CONFIG_FEATURE_AR_LONG_FILENAMES=n
19:36 < yokoy_> CONFIG_FEATURE_UNARCHIVE_TAPE=n
19:36 < yokoy_> CONFIG_STRINGS=n
19:36 < yokoy_> but:
19:36 < yokoy_> !> Found shared files with other packages:
19:36 < yokoy_> !> usr/bin/ar: binutils busybox
19:36 < yokoy_> !> usr/bin/strings: binutils busybox
19:37 < yokoy_> oh, forgot to say, I clicked "make symlinks"
19:37 < kic-> hrm
19:37 < kic-> i think you may have to remove binutils
19:37 < kic-> from the pkgsel
19:38 < kic-> since busybox will provide those utils
19:38 < kic-> symlinked
19:38 < rxr> kic-: I think xdpyinfo reports rendering state
19:38 < kic-> rxr, thanke
19:38 < rxr> yokoy_: this happens when you build busybox with this CONFIG_BUSYBOX_SYMLINKS (or so)
19:39 < rxr> yokoy_: commonly we (in our in-house targets) d not set it and create the symlniks t busybox at the end of the build
19:39 < rxr> only those that are needed
19:39 < rxr> yokoy_: which target do you build ?
19:39 < kic-> hrm, nope, no mention of direct rendering
19:39 < yokoy_> rxr: my own target, honey/olpc
19:40 < yokoy_> x86
19:40 < rxr> ah - glxinfo
19:40 < rxr> $ glxinfo | grep -i render
19:40 < rxr> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x67
19:40 < rxr> direct rendering: Yes
19:40 < rxr> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM 20061017
19:40 < rxr> sorry
19:40 < kic-> ahh
19:40 < kic-> yhanks
19:40 < kic-> yay
19:40 < kic-> my card does have direct rendering
19:40 < kic-> now just have to fix the cannot initialise dbus error
19:40 < kic-> and i'm set
19:40 < kic-> i think
19:41 < rxr> for nvidia you need this nvidia binary blob (right now) - until the nouvou project driver is ready in some months or a year or so
19:41 < kic-> oh
19:41 < kic-> where do i get that?
19:41 < kic-> i did the nvidia driver update from the nvidia website
19:42 < rxr> kic-: you are in install?
19:43 < rxr> select the nvidia package and build that and the kernel (IIRC) (/me seldom has Nvidia chips around)
19:43 < kic-> which install?
19:43 < rxr> kic-: btw. since some days they now officially sell the iPhone in Germany - bundled with T-Mobile ...
19:43 < kic-> the nvidia install? or T2 build scripts
19:44 < rxr> kic-: T2 package: nidia
19:44 < rxr> kic-: I would use the t2 scripts
19:44 < kic-> rxr, good news on the iphone :D
19:44 < kic-> ok, i will try rebuilding kernel and nvidia within T2 and see what happens
19:44 < rxr> yeah - well I have a good one :-)
19:45 < kic-> i'm using the 8.0-trunk iso's i cut a while ago
19:45 < kic-> so maybe i get the latest
19:45 < kic-> oh, which already included nvidia package
19:45 < kic-> =(
19:46 < kic-> which didn't work so well for me, why i used nvidia's driver update from their website
19:46 < kic-> hrm
19:46 < kic-> ok, i tinker with it later
19:46 < kic-> desktop target -> 8.0-trunk
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20:12 < yokoy_> could the Build-Target script ignore the busybox build error (and only the busybox build error) and resume?
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21:54 < tri> yokoy_: yes
21:55 < tri> just move the busybox.err to busybox.log and restart build-target
21:55 < tri> ping rxr
21:59 < yokoy_> tri: thanks
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22:10 < tri> yokoy_: does this solve your problem ?
22:11 < tri> yokoy_: are you from berlin ?
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22:29 < yokoy_> tri: the answer was to late, I made a Cleanup -build
22:29 < yokoy_> but I am sure, I will have the problem again :-)
22:29 < yokoy_> yes, I am from berlin
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22:30 < tri> i know sveng a bit he is a member in our lokal lug in augsburg - he was already a few times here at linux info dax
22:31 < tri> if you will have the problem again just do the mv ?.err to ?.log trick :-)
22:35 < yokoy_> tri: yes, I will do.
22:36 < yokoy_> :-) berlin? kenn ick och jemanden, kennste den och?
22:37 < yokoy_> sure, I know SvenG
22:47 < tri> if you see him, send him best wishes - i like to see
22:47 < tri> him this year at the augsburger linux info tag again :-)
22:50 < yokoy_> tri: done
22:52 < tri> :-)
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23:10 < tri> in which t2 package is dig ?
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23:18 < tri> gn8
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