--- Log opened Mon Oct 08 00:00:42 2007 00:17 -!- Enqlave|laptop [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 00:46 -!- Enqlave|laptop [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has joined #t2 00:54 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z7327.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 01:14 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z4fce.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:37 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:38 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 02:31 -!- mqueiros_ [n=mqueiros@80.243.90.138] has quit [] 03:15 -!- Key_Gena95 [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-b2ee396903283484] has joined #t2 04:36 -!- mqueiros [n=mqueiros@80.243.90.138] has joined #t2 04:54 -!- cgetty [n=elmo@pool-71-108-239-203.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:09 -!- cgetty [n=clark@pool-71-108-239-203.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #t2 07:16 -!- Enqlave|laptop [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 08:04 -!- cgetty [n=clark@pool-71-108-239-203.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:18 < rxr> re 09:18 [Users #t2] 09:18 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur ] [ Fatal ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp_ ] 09:18 [ CIA-8 ] [ emte ] [ happycube ] [ mqueiros] [ Ragnarin] [ TobiX ] 09:18 [ cyda ] [ Enqlave] [ Key_Gena95] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 09:18 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 09:32 < rxr> Ragnarin: awake ? 09:34 < CIA-8> rene * r26256 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 09:34 < CIA-8> * fixed sg (was ag) typo in 2 early userspace init scripts 09:34 < CIA-8> * unified them more (no hardcode module block, use a for loop) 09:34 < CIA-8> * updated year and improved status printout to include an indication 09:34 < CIA-8> which of the init variants is running 10:16 -!- Enqlave|laptop [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has joined #t2 10:26 -!- Enqlave|laptop is now known as Enqlave|xps 10:28 -!- Enqlave|xps is now known as [Enqlave] 10:31 < CIA-8> rene * r26257 /trunk/package/network/bluez-libs/bluez-libs.desc: * updated bluez-libs (3.19 -> 3.20) 10:31 < CIA-8> rene * r26258 /trunk/package/network/bluez-utils/bluez-utils.desc: * updated bluez-utils (3.19 -> 3.20) 10:32 < CIA-8> rene * r26259 /trunk/package/textproc/iso-codes/iso-codes.desc: * updated iso-codes (1.4 -> 1.5) 10:32 < CIA-8> rene * r26260 /trunk/package/perl/perl-yaml/perl-yaml.desc: * updated perl-yaml (0.65 -> 0.66) 10:32 < CIA-8> rene * r26261 /trunk/package/develop/python-xlib/python-xlib.desc: * updated python-xlib (0.13 -> 0.14) 10:32 < CIA-8> rene * r26262 /trunk/package/python/pyrexc/pyrexc.desc: * updated pyrexc (0.9.5.1a -> 0.9.6) 10:37 < CIA-8> rene * r26263 /trunk/package/e16/enlightenment16/enlightenment16.desc: * updated enlightenment16 (0.16.8.9 -> 0.16.8.10) 10:48 -!- Key_Gena95 [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-b2ee396903283484] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:07 -!- [Enqlave] is now known as Enq|xps 11:08 [Users #t2] 11:08 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur ] [ Enq|xps ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp_ ] 11:08 [ CIA-8 ] [ emte ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros] [ Ragnarin] [ TobiX ] 11:08 [ cyda ] [ Enqlave] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 11:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 11:41 < rxr> ok, increasins read-ahead helped LVM2+RAID5 performance a little 12:01 -!- Enq|xps [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 12:18 < rxr> Ragnarin: do you know why our util-vserver package is named utils-vserver (not the plural of util) 12:18 < rxr> Ragnarin: upstream it is just util-vserver ... 12:47 -!- TobiX [i=tobias@zoidberg.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:44 -!- mqueiros [n=mqueiros@80.243.90.138] has quit [] 14:19 < CIA-8> rene * r26264 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-fs.conf.m4: * changed shared kernel configuration to enable ACL/XATTR by default 14:32 < CIA-8> rene * r26265 /trunk/package/develop/autogen/autogen.desc: * updated autogen (5.9.2 -> 5.9.3) 14:32 < CIA-8> rene * r26266 /trunk/package/textproc/msort/msort.desc: * updated msort (8.40 -> 8.42) 15:27 < CIA-8> mtr * r26267 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/ (internal_function.patch patches/gettext-redefinition.patch): 15:27 < CIA-8> * added uClibc hotfix for internal_function declaration, this is 15:27 < CIA-8> internal and has not be exposed to user applications 15:27 < CIA-8> (uClibc svn changeset 18907) 16:02 < rxr> hm - damn vserver does not support mknod in the containers, this sucks 16:03 < rxr> and disqualifies them for building T2 within ... :-( 16:29 < CIA-8> rene * r26268 /trunk/package/www/owb/ (. compile.patch owb.cache owb.conf owb.desc): * added owb (1.0) - Origyn Web Browser designed for CE devices 16:34 -!- Dallur [n=earl@fgfw.basis.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:37 -!- Key_Gena95 [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-fe2e366434bb8660] has joined #t2 16:48 < CIA-8> rene * r26269 /trunk/package/games/libkxl/libkxl.desc: * removed duplicate CROSS tak from libkxl 16:51 < CIA-8> rene * r26270 /trunk/package/emulators/hercules/hercules.desc: * removed duplicate CROSS tag from hercules, likewise 17:12 [Users #t2] 17:12 [@ChanServ] [ emte ] [ happycube ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] 17:12 [ CIA-8 ] [ Enqlave] [ Key_Gena95] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp_ ] 17:12 [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin] [ valentin] 17:12 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 17:20 < pdinoto_> hi rene! 17:20 < pdinoto_> just wanted to let you know that I am using my T2 "micro" package, which is based 17:21 < pdinoto_> on tresc. It is a tiny X system with networking and lua... boots in 5 secs 17:21 < pdinoto_> on a pentium board, runs on 18mb of ram (x with 4 xterms opened) 17:21 < rxr> nice :-) 17:21 < pdinoto_> and is under 32mb of disk uncompressed. Yay! 17:22 < pdinoto_> s/package/target/ 17:22 < rxr> can you publish it so others can enjoy it, too ? 17:23 < pdinoto_> sure... it is a little bit messy (I keep playing with package list as I need them). 17:23 < pdinoto_> Do I send the files to your email? 17:25 < rxr> yes, or the t2 list: t2@t2-project.org 17:51 < CIA-8> rene * r26271 /trunk/package/graphic/tesseract/tesseract.desc: * updated tesseract (2.00 -> 2.01), added CV-URL tag 18:00 < rxr> Ragnarin: btw. the ide-generic is already loaded last, hm ? 18:00 < CIA-8> rene * r26272 /trunk/package/base/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.sh: * include chroot in the default initrd, just handy to be around 18:02 < CIA-8> mtr * r26273 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * updated x264 (20061104-2245 -> 20071007-2245) 18:03 < CIA-8> mtr * r26274 /trunk/package/multimedia/ffmpeg/ (ffmpeg.desc libpostproc-destdir.patch): * updated ffmpeg (2007-04-25 -> 2007-10-07) 18:44 -!- Dallur [n=earl@fgfw.basis.is] has joined #t2 18:45 -!- Dallur [n=earl@fgfw.basis.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:34 -!- cgetty [n=Clark@pool-71-108-239-203.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #t2 19:36 < Ragnarin> rxr: oh it is? hmmmm 19:37 < rxr> Ragnarin: I posted quite some stuff to you today ... 19:37 < rxr> did you got all scrollback ? 19:38 < Ragnarin> yea 19:38 < rxr> first of all did you notice the util-vserver is named utils-vserver in T2 ? 19:38 < rxr> is this useful for anything but global confusion =? 19:38 < rxr> can we fix this ? 19:38 < Ragnarin> more confusing is that we have vserver-utils and utils-vserver 19:39 < Ragnarin> we should 19:39 < rxr> yeah - but this vserver-utils is this new thing ... 19:39 < rxr> I think that naming is ok, as it is upstream ... 19:39 < rxr> do you use vserver ? 19:40 < Ragnarin> I try to ... trying to get a test system running 19:40 < rxr> what do you wanna use it for ? 19:41 < Ragnarin> user isolation 19:41 < rxr> ah 19:41 < rxr> I got a guest up today, works so far, _but_ vserver does not virtualize /dev/* 19:41 < Ragnarin> you can do that with grsec tho 19:41 < rxr> so it forbids mknod() so the guest containers can not create new ones 19:42 < rxr> oh 19:42 < Ragnarin> the guests shouldn't be able to create new dev nodes anyway? 19:42 < rxr> ok, I wanted to get openvz packaged for T2, now because it looks like opnevz also allows restricting device node access (and not just forbid mknod) 19:43 < rxr> actually I only need this lightweight containers to give balzius a partition of our new 8-core monser ... 19:43 < rxr> for t2/security work ... 19:43 < Ragnarin> ah ok :) 19:43 < rxr> so I need somehting where mknod and chroot work ... 19:43 < Ragnarin> chroot should work 19:43 < rxr> I package openvz now, we should have it anyway 19:43 < rxr> let's now how this turns out ... 19:44 < rxr> who renames this utils-verver? do you want to ? 19:44 < Ragnarin> do you know how? :) 19:44 < rxr> rename ? 19:45 < Ragnarin> can I do that on the whole dir? 19:45 < Ragnarin> without messing up the history? 19:45 < rxr> ah yes, files inside a dir and a dir in one svn commit was tricky 19:45 < rxr> I'll figure it out and post the comments "how to" to our svn page 19:46 < Ragnarin> ok good :) 19:47 < rxr> regarding the ide-generic, it is after the udevstart / udevtrigger thing 19:47 < rxr> it should be loaded after the udev stuff 19:47 < Ragnarin> btw does dev.croup.de resolve for you? 19:47 < rxr> though - maybe - we should insert udevsettle as barrier so it is not loaded quicker than the udev even processing takes ... 19:47 < Ragnarin> are you sure the autodetection doesn't load it earlier? 19:48 < rxr> oh - you mean tha auto-detection loads generic-ide ? 19:48 < rxr> that could be, yes 19:48 < rxr> Unknown host dev.croup.de 19:48 < Ragnarin> I think so 19:49 -!- cgetty [n=Clark@pool-71-108-239-203.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:50 < Ragnarin> hmm so vserver-utils is dead ... *googles* 19:51 -!- kic- [i=rfoote@208.115.42.120] has joined #t2 19:51 < kic-> re 19:51 < kic-> rxr leave already? 19:52 < rxr> nope 19:52 < Ragnarin> no 19:52 < rxr> hie 19:52 < kic-> wee 19:52 < kic-> heh 19:52 < kic-> hi 19:52 < rxr> still fighting virtual server crap 19:52 < kic-> ah 19:52 < Ragnarin> lol 19:52 < rxr> did you test the new image s? 19:52 < kic-> yanno those changes you made to the livecd/init that you emailed me about a little bit ago? 19:52 < kic-> not yet 19:53 < rxr> hm ? 19:53 < rxr> your second last post was too crypted for me .-) 19:54 < CIA-8> rene * r26275 /trunk/package/security/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 19:54 < CIA-8> * renamed utils-vserver -> util-vserver, as that is the upstream 19:54 < CIA-8> name and everything else is just confusing 19:54 < kic-> he changed his mind, and said he wouldn't mind waiting until you were able to get a good solution for it 19:54 < kic-> if it only took a day or two 19:54 < rxr> kic-: but the quickfix should be ready to test 19:55 < rxr> kic-: I could not test, as I can not copy the flash intended files over for quikc check, but I hope it works, and it is done now anyway ... 19:55 < rxr> it just needs a test run (and maybe a quick-fix interation in the case I made a typo :... ) 19:56 < kic-> right.. 19:57 < kic-> how difficult though is it to revert back? 19:57 < kic-> if the test does not go well? 19:57 < rxr> just a single file that is not even part of your target 19:57 < rxr> it turned out to be a two-liner 19:57 < kic-> ah 19:57 < kic-> nice 19:58 < kic-> did you back up old file? or hash out or something? 19:58 < rxr> but as it is not part of your target it's a little bad for versioning 19:58 < rxr> svn revert on the file will do :-) 19:59 < kic-> ugh 19:59 < kic-> hehe 19:59 < kic-> which file? 20:00 < rxr> target/share/livecd/init2 20:02 < rxr> ouh - damn 20:02 < rxr> something conflicts with the openvz patch, and I fear it's our t2 no2mod stuff 20:02 < rxr> damnit 20:02 < rxr> t 20:02 -!- mqueiros [n=mqueiros@80.243.90.138] has joined #t2 20:03 < rxr> ieeek 20:03 < rxr> they patch-in a don_ask mode ??!?!?!?! 20:03 < rxr> damn pseudo open source companies 20:03 < rxr> I know why I tried vserver before openvz ... 20:04 < rxr> I wonder if we need our no2mod patch at all - maybe it would just work if we yes 'm' | make oldconfig or so .. 20:09 < rxr> too bad atop conficts with openvz, likewise 20:13 -!- tri [n=tri@p57ADA139.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 20:16 -!- mqueiros [n=mqueiros@80.243.90.138] has quit [] 20:16 < tri> moin 20:17 < rxr> moin tri 20:20 -!- Enq|xps [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has joined #t2 20:26 < kic-> hrm, new jffs2 version out 20:27 < rxr> :-) 20:27 < rxr> you wanna patch it in ? 20:27 < kic-> would be wonderful if it will solve any of my headaches :D 20:28 < kic-> is that a kernel patch? 20:28 < tri> hi rene any news about the xen support in t2 ? 20:28 < tri> t2 as dom0 ? 20:28 < rxr> tri: with some manual work here and there yet 20:28 < tri> manuel work ? 20:28 < rxr> but as my interested in Xen dropped before I finished integration patches welcome ... 20:29 < tri> last time i wasn't able to build it :-) 20:29 < rxr> you have to build the kernel manually ... 20:29 < tri> why was your interested in xen dropped ? 20:29 < rxr> not dropped 20:29 < rxr> just not finished 20:29 < tri> :-) 20:30 < rxr> I'm on Linus and Alans side on this: an additional, crappy scheduler below linux just doesn't cut 20:30 < rxr> it 20:30 < rxr> runing the containers as Linux processes is more viable .. 20:30 < tri> i have the change to test xen on a big machine (quadcore 16gb ram) on wednesday 20:31 < tri> ah ok does kvm or something else work different there ? 20:31 < tri> or what do you mean as "containers" ? 20:32 < rxr> yes, kvm 20:32 < rxr> another thing you should consider: the fat xen machines have fixed memory patition as there are full OS instances in there 20:32 < rxr> tri: when you just have linux servers, using vserver or openvz saves you a lot of memory as the memory is dynamically allocated between all your virtual containers 20:33 < rxr> with something like xen / vmware you waste a lot of memory not only on the kernel's and their environment (library loaded etc.) but aos each VM will have free memory that is not shared among them 20:37 < tri> hm but with vserver i don't have a change to run win / netware and linux on one hardware 20:37 < tri> how about kvm 20:37 < tri> do you thing the idea behind kvm is better then the xen idea ? 20:38 < rxr> well - atleast for the "reusing the Linux process scheduler and memory management" 20:38 < rxr> it has less management tools around, though - however, I don't like the Xen python bloat ... so that might be a + :-) 20:38 < rxr> maybe check them all out 20:38 < tri> :-) 20:38 < rxr> and if you can finish Xen integration in T2 :-) 20:39 < tri> hm yeah i will try to use t2 - but i think i have to use novell linux - "standard company linux" 20:40 < tri> :-( 20:41 -!- tri [n=tri@p57ADA139.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #t2 [] 20:41 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:41 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 20:46 -!- tri [n=tri@p57ADA139.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 20:48 < tri> re 20:48 -!- tri [n=tri@p57ADA139.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #t2 [] 20:48 < rxr> damnit 20:48 < rxr> at least the vserver code compiled out of the box ... 20:48 * rxr slabs this rusian SWSoft el-cheapo coders ... 20:50 < rxr> 2.6.22 ovz kernel is in early alpha, and chechpointing functionality is 20:50 < rxr> not yet fully ported. For now, you have to deselect it if you want to 20:50 < rxr> try compiling that kernel. 20:50 < rxr> hm 20:54 -!- mqueiros_ [n=mqueiros@80.243.90.138] has joined #t2 21:10 < rxr> btw: 21:10 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/_G0D6747.jpg 21:10 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/_G0D6749.jpg 21:12 [Users #t2] 21:12 [@ChanServ] [ emte ] [ Fatal ] [ kic- ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] 21:12 [ CIA-8 ] [ Enqlave] [ happycube ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp_ ] 21:12 [ cyda ] [ Enq|xps] [ Key_Gena95] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnarin] [ valentin] 21:12 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 21:17 < sepp_> i c red 21:28 -!- tri [n=tri@p57ADA139.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 21:43 < LMJ> Nice 21:45 < tri> re 21:46 < LMJ> NICE 21:49 < tri> what is nice ? 21:50 < mqueiros_> tri: I believe LMJ was talking about this: http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/_G0D6747.jpg and http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/_G0D6749.jpg 21:50 < LMJ> ;) 21:52 < tri> cool :-) 21:52 < tri> my girlfriend 21:55 < kic-> thats not your gf 21:55 < kic-> :D 21:56 < tri> ah ok, right :-) 21:56 < kic-> is it? 21:56 < kic-> lol 21:56 < tri> do you know that shirt "you need a girfriend without *.jpg in here name" 21:57 < kic-> no 21:57 < kic-> they make a shirt that says that? 21:57 < kic-> i want one 21:57 < kic-> heh 21:57 < tri> :-) 21:57 < kic-> omg, i know i'm looking at to much code when i browse some C code for jffs2 patch in the kernel, and i begin to understand what it means =( 21:58 < kic-> apparently god is going to force me to learn C one way or another 21:58 < tri> hm how many mem can i allocat at one time under linux ? (x86) 21:59 < kic-> *shrug* the full amount of your ram chip? 21:59 < kic-> heh 21:59 < kic-> can't you vmalloc the whole thing? 21:59 < kic-> if you wanted to :D 22:04 < Ragnarin> there's a ulimit setting usually 22:05 < tri> hm the ulimit setting on my box is unlimited 22:05 < tri> can i allocate as many i like to ? 22:05 < Ragnarin> then you'd be limited by the address space you get per process 22:06 < Ragnarin> which can be limiting on 32bit at least 22:06 < tri> what happens if i allocate "to much" - is this possible 22:07 < tri> i have read something about oom killer 22:07 < Ragnarin> well look at for example the ace package configure script (among others) 22:08 < Ragnarin> when the machine runs out of virtual memory (real memory + swap) some processes will be killed 22:10 < tri> hm http://kerneltrap.org/node/1010 22:28 -!- TobiX [i=tobias@zoidberg.org] has joined #t2 22:29 < Ragnarin> seems the problem there is that the kernel gives out memory that's not actually there ... that's bad 22:50 < tri> gn8 22:50 -!- tri [n=tri@p57ADA139.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #t2 [] --- Log closed Tue Oct 09 00:00:42 2007