T2 IRC Log: 2007-09-03

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--- Log opened Mon Sep 03 00:00:21 2007
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01:36 < kic-> gonna be a late for me, doing this build on a single processor machine
01:36 < kic-> well, dual-core
01:36 < kic-> but its still slow
01:36 < sepp> moin :)
01:37 < kic-> is it mornin already?
01:37 < kic-> heh
01:37 < kic-> over there
01:37 < sepp> moin is more like a general 'hello'
01:37 < kic-> ah
01:37 < kic-> heh
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05:36 < kic-> am i the only one still awake here?
05:36 < kic-> heh
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05:37 < mqueiros_> no!
05:37 < kic-> ah
05:37 < kic-> heh
05:37 < mqueiros_> but I«m going to sleep now... :)
05:38 < kic-> heh
05:39 < mqueiros_> bye!
05:40 < kic-> bye
06:05 < kic-> wow
06:06 < kic-> do kde and gtk+ build for you guys on 8.0 trunk from clean svn co ?
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09:02 < rxr> re
09:02 < rxr> kic_: yes, sure
09:19 < CIA-24> rene * r25861 /trunk/package/games/powermanga/ (powermanga.cache powermanga.desc): * updated powermanga (0.79 -> 0.90)
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09:40 < CIA-24> rene * r25862 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/strongswan.desc: * updated strongswan (4.1.5 -> 4.1.6)
09:41 < rxr> hm - I get the feeling there are new spam mails that a specifically crafted to confuse and inf. loop spamassassin
09:50 < mtr> moin
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11:24 < rxr> re
11:24 < rxr> moin mtr
11:24 < mtr> hi rene
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11:28 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ itsu ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ]
11:28 [ CIA-24 ] [ emte__ ] [ kic_ ] [ netson99 ] [ TobiX ]
11:28 [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ valentin ]
11:28 [ Dallur ] [ happycube] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ write_erase]
11:28 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal]
11:28 < itsu> has anyone build ntop without problems
11:29 < itsu> i am having a bunch of dep errors esp. rrdtool
11:30 < rxr> builds fine here
11:33 < itsu> iam using a minimal-config with pkgsel X ntop
11:33 < itsu> maybe i have some corrupt deps ?
11:34 < itsu> how do i refresh them , without rebuilding to much ?
11:41 < rxr> X something does not select deps
11:41 < rxr> as many of them are optinoal anyway and the target builder is considered to know what he wants :-9
11:42 < itsu> did i miss something
11:42 < rxr> during target building T2 does nto try to perform dependency resolution
11:42 < rxr> as the people usually want specific packages anyway
11:42 < itsu> okay
11:43 < itsu> so how can i initiate package dependency ?
11:43 < itsu> scripts/Config -cfg xxx should do this right ?
11:43 < rxr> in the target ... pkgsel? add them on your own :-)
11:43 < itsu> okay did that
11:43 < rxr> not yet, we have more automatic depdency resolution for the target pkgsel on the todo
11:43 < itsu> ah ...
11:44 < rxr> but the problem is that most people are happy witht he explicit config that we have now
11:44 < rxr> and it's unclear how ot could be improved
11:44 < itsu> so i have to find out the deps on my own ?
11:44 < rxr> as most packages have zilion of optional deps ...
11:44 < rxr> well - you have the .cache file :-)
11:44 < itsu> that makes sense
11:44 < rxr> Emerge-Pkg would do dependency resolution
11:44 < itsu> but emerge-pkg installs on the running system
11:45 < itsu> not an option for embedded devices or routers or the like
11:45 < itsu> ;-)
11:46 < itsu> so ntop seems like a lesson to me
11:46 < itsu> ill dig into it
11:46 < itsu> can i contribute the deps anyhow ?
11:55 < itsu> sorry rxr
11:55 < itsu> posted some dep problems
11:55 < itsu> they are to be ignored considering our chat ;-)
11:56 < itsu> need still some learning on t2
11:56 < itsu> but it still rocks
11:56 * Fatal crosses fingers. coworkers tries to crosscompile a lot of crap now, hopefully they'll realize its futile and allow me the time to learn t2
11:57 < rxr> Fatal: go go go -) !!!
11:57 < rxr> itsu: you can copy the .cache deps into your pkgsel ..
11:58 < rxr> if you have some innovative idea ohw to do dynamic deps in the static pkgsel config let me know
11:58 < itsu> ieeek
11:58 < itsu> wheres the catch ?
11:59 < rxr> package/*/ntop/ntop.cache
11:59 < itsu> no i mean the dynamic dep resolution
11:59 < itsu> there is only one concept holding to dynamic deps :
12:00 < itsu> least common divisor ....
12:00 < itsu> i mean greatest common divisor of course
12:00 < itsu> that concept is used in many distros
12:01 < rxr> well - other distributions are often precompiled
12:01 < Fatal> sadly I don't get past glibc at the moment :) http://a7ad00643abb753b.paste.se/
12:02 < rxr> so the deps are exactly what it was built with
12:02 < rxr> in t2 we would need to differentiate betwen must have and optional depdencies ..
12:02 < rxr> oh - you build for mips ?
12:03 < Fatal> aye
12:03 < rxr> maybe try to just deelte the patch and see if ti builds
12:03 < rxr> and let me know if it does
12:03 < rxr> the patch is probably just outdated for the updated trunk glibc
12:04 < Fatal> http://ff44712adf594026.paste.se/ hmm
12:05 < rxr> oh - mdan
12:05 < rxr> damn
12:05 < rxr> ah - yeah I remeber
12:05 < rxr> maybe use uclibc for now :-)
12:05 < rxr> or an older t2 trunk
12:05 < rxr> 6.0 should be fully function for mips
12:05 < rxr> I'll add it to my TODO to "fix"
12:05 < Fatal> how do I revert it?
12:05 < rxr> oh - or use eglibc, that should probably work for mips ...
12:06 < rxr> I'll soon start reference cross building all cross combinations on the new big 8-core machine
12:06 < Fatal> I'm not allowed to swich libcs just yet, so I kind of need it to work with glibc first
12:06 < rxr> we will have better data, statistic and weekly testing, then
12:06 < Fatal> but I could try
12:06 < Fatal> it's defined in the target?
12:06 < rxr> Fatal: use 6.0 that should built for mips
12:06 < rxr> the new glibc has no linuxthreads support, and no TLS/NPTL for mips, yet
12:06 < rxr> but that is not our fault but damn upstream glibc monks
12:07 < Fatal> after switching branch, do I need to svn up or something
12:07 < Fatal> nm, seems to be doing something
12:09 < Fatal> is 6.0 still maintained?
12:22 < rxr> yes
12:22 < CIA-24> mtr * r25863 /trunk/package/qt/qtcore/qtcore.conf:
12:22 < CIA-24> * change qtcore architecture selection to use SDECFG_ARCH,
12:22 < CIA-24> fixes build on x86, x86_64 and sh platforms
12:31 < rxr> hm - we have a massive spam problem on the server right now
12:31 < rxr> damnit
12:31 < rxr> load over 31
12:32 < CIA-24> rene * r25870 /trunk/package/network/bluez-libs/bluez-libs.desc: * updated bluez-libs (3.15 -> 3.18)
12:32 < CIA-24> rene * r25864 /trunk/package/textproc/iso-codes/iso-codes.desc: * updated iso-codes (1.3 -> 1.4)
12:33 < CIA-24> rene * r25872 /trunk/package/network/pv/pv.desc: * updated pv (1.0.1 -> 1.1.0)
12:33 < CIA-24> rene * r25871 /trunk/package/network/bluez-utils/bluez-utils.desc: * updated bluez-utils (3.15 -> 3.18)
12:34 < CIA-24> rene * r25869 /trunk/package/perl/perl-text-iconv/perl-text-iconv.desc: * updated perl-text-iconv (1.4 -> 1.5)
12:34 < CIA-24> rene * r25868 /trunk/package/gnome2/icon-naming-utils/icon-naming-utils.desc: * updated icon-naming-utils (0.8.5 -> 0.8.6)
12:34 < CIA-24> rene * r25867 /trunk/package/perl/perl-compress-raw/perl-compress-raw.desc: * updated perl-compress-raw (2.005 -> 2.006)
12:34 < CIA-24> rene * r25866 /trunk/package/perl/perl-compress-zlib/perl-compress-zlib.desc: * updated perl-compress-zlib (2.005 -> 2.006)
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12:41 < CIA-24> rene * r25865 /trunk/package/perl/perl-io-compress/perl-io-compress.desc: * updated perl-io-compress (2.005 -> 2.006)
12:50 < Fatal> rxr: after doing a switch, svn up will stay at that branch?
13:16 < rxr> yes
13:46 < Fatal> http://889b4114d0bdd362.paste.se/ hmm, wondering if there's leftover cruft in that dir, trying fresh on a seperate host, getting more and more weird error :)
14:22 < CIA-24> rene * r25874 /trunk/package/network/lftp/lftp.desc: * updated lftp (3.5.13 -> 3.5.14)
14:23 < CIA-24> rene * r25873 /trunk/package/mail/claws-mail/claws-mail.desc: * updated claws-mail (2.10.0 -> 3.0.0)
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14:47 < sepp> moin :)
15:00 < itsu> moinmoin
15:00 < itsu> ;-)
15:02 < rxr> moin sepp
15:04 < sepp> hi itsu, rxr :)
15:05 < itsu> oder auch mahlzeit :-)
15:05 < sepp> :)
15:18 < rxr> top
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15:35 < sepp> ps
15:45 < rxr> oh - man that was a windows jerk ...
15:45 * rxr at the IFA ...
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16:03 < kic-> re
16:13 < kic-> this is supposed to be a holiday weekend
16:13 < kic-> labor day
16:13 < kic-> grr, heh
16:26 < rxr> re
16:26 < rxr> hi kic-
16:29 < kic-> heya
16:29 < kic-> you at the conference?
16:29 < Fatal> rxr: got the same error on different host/clean build, any ideas?
16:31 < rxr> kic-: IFA
16:31 < rxr> http://www.ifa-berlin.de
16:31 < kic-> yah
16:32 < kic-> cool
16:32 < kic-> yah, i saw that before, you mentioned you were gonna be there
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16:57 < kic-> brb, gotta boot new kernel
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17:17 < rxr> re
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17:48 < kic-> arg
17:48 < kic-> borked
17:50 < rxr> /n
17:50 [Users #t2]
17:50 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ itsu] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin]
17:50 [ CIA-24 ] [ emte__ ] [ kic-] [ mtr ] [ rxr ]
17:50 [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ kic_] [ netson99 ] [ sepp ]
17:50 [ Dallur ] [ happycube] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ TobiX ]
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17:53 < kic-> i think i messed up my initrd
17:53 < kic-> since modutils failed
17:54 < LMJ> huuhuu
17:56 < rxr> valentin: the trunk on my MacBook starts to become rock solid ..
17:56 < rxr> also keyboard hacks and touchpad wise ...
17:58 < kic-> ok, another reboot, one more try
17:58 < kic-> brb
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18:11 < kic-> grr
18:11 < kic-> still no go
18:14 < kic-> !> usr/share/man/man2/create_module.2: man-pages modutils
18:14 < kic-> !> usr/share/man/man2/delete_module.2: man-pages modutils
18:14 < kic-> !> usr/share/man/man2/get_kernel_syms.2: man-pages modutils
18:14 < kic-> !> usr/share/man/man2/init_module.2: man-pages modutils
18:14 < kic-> !> usr/share/man/man2/query_module.2: man-pages modutils
18:14 < kic-> !> Due to previous errors.
18:15 < LMJ> I used to get the same error
18:18 < kic-> brb again
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18:35 < pdinoto_> hi!
18:35 < pdinoto_> does anybody used a custom busybox.config file in its target?
19:21 < itsu> hey guys
19:21 < itsu> afaik i can install to a hd from the livecd.
19:21 < itsu> but how is this done :-) ?
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20:31 < itsu> hey guys
20:31 < itsu> i think the latest t2 kernel has some serious problem with ide hard drives
20:31 < itsu> i have tested 3 physical machines and all turn out to have the same problem
20:32 < itsu> the kernel cannot allocate ide0 because of some port already in use
20:32 < itsu> anyone the same problem ?
20:39 < Ragnar|away> it's loading ide_generic while it needs a specific chipset driver
20:39 < Ragnar|away> try to remove ide_generic and rerun mkinitrd
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20:49 < itsu> where do i remove ide_generic ?
20:51 < Ragnarin> try /lib/modules/2.6.25.5-dist/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-generic.ko
20:51 < Ragnarin> it'
20:51 < Ragnarin> it's enough to move it to something like .../ide-generic.ko-dontuse
20:52 < Ragnarin> then run mkinitrc 2.6.22.5-dist
20:52 < Ragnarin> mkinitrd
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22:25 < tri> moin
22:25 < tri> i use runit and after booting the machine i get error messages
22:26 < tri> with /usr/sbin/klogd and /usr/sbin/sysklogd not found
22:26 < tri> this two binaris are in /usr/bin and not in /usr/sbin
22:27 < tri> i already have had this problem but somebody changed the default package files under packages in the runit package
22:27 < sepp> hi tri :)
22:27 < tri> hi sepp
22:28 < tri> any idea about the problem
22:29 < sepp> not right now
22:29 < tri> it is just a entry in the config file but i'm a bit confused that i think the problem was already fixed
22:30 < sepp> maybe set $sbindir ?
22:30 < tri> it is in trunk packages/runit/packages/syslogd-runit-klogd_run.txt
22:30 < tri> and syslogd-runit-syslogd-run.txt
22:31 < tri> where do i have to set $sbindir ?
22:33 < sepp> that was just a guess
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22:34 < tri> re
22:34 < tri> sorry was offline for a few minutes
22:35 < sepp> rehi :)
22:37 < tri> hm sorry - finch is cool but alt+w is not a good idea :-)
22:38 < tri> hm not everything is ok
22:38 < tri> i just did emerge-pkg runit sysklogd -force
22:39 < tri> but i just did this new t2 installation cd with ./build-target bla and ./create-iso bla
22:39 < tri> isn't ./build-target updating all packages ?
22:40 < tri> or building the packages from zero ?
22:40 < tri> or how do i take care that i get a iso with up-to-date packages ?
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22:41 < tri> f*ck alt+q
22:42 < sepp> finch ?
22:43 < tri> the pidgin but for console
22:44 < tri> yes i know it sucks but it is nice to have the same config for a console and a gui im-client ?
22:44 < tri> :-)
22:45 < sepp> ahh
22:45 < tri> how do you take care that if you do ./create-iso every package on the iso is up-to-date ?
22:45 < tri> or what is the "right way"
22:46 < tri> i thought it is ./build-target but my syslogd/klogd problem with runit is solved just with a ./emerge-pkg -force
22:46 < tri> and the iso where i have had the problem was just a build a few min. ago
22:46 < tri> so i think the runit sysklogd package on the iso was a old one
22:48 < tri> any tricks ?
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