T2 IRC Log: 2007-08-28
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--- Log opened Tue Aug 28 00:00:13 2007
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04:19 < Ryuo> does T2 have some form of a package manager once you have installed the base system?
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08:01 < rxr> Ryuo: yes
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08:12 < write_erase> hi
08:13 < rxr> hi
08:31 < CIA-24> susan * r25799 /trunk/package/xorg/xtrans/xtrans.desc: * updated xtrans (1.0.3 -> 1.0.4)
08:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25801 /trunk/package/xorg/xwininfo/xwininfo.desc: * updated xwininfo (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3)
08:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25800 /trunk/package/xorg/xcalc/xcalc.desc: * updated xcalc (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
08:46 < CIA-24> susan * r25802 /trunk/package/multimedia/xine-lib/xine-lib.desc: * updated xine-lib (1.1.7 -> 1.1.8)
08:46 < CIA-24> susan * r25803 /trunk/package/filesystem/jfsutils/jfsutils.desc: * updated jfsutils (1.1.11 -> 1.1.12)
08:46 < CIA-24> susan * r25804 /trunk/package/gpe/xserver-common/xserver-common.desc: * updated xserver-common (1.16 -> 1.18)
08:49 < CIA-24> susan * r25805 /trunk/package/graphic/cdlabelgen/cdlabelgen.desc: * updated cdlabelgen (3.6.0 -> 4.0.0)
08:53 < CIA-24> susan * r25806 /trunk/package/xorg/xset/xset.desc: * updated xset (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3)
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09:01 < CIA-24> susan * r25807 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-mag/gnome-mag.desc: * updated gnome-mag (0.14.6 -> 0.14.8)
09:01 < CIA-24> susan * r25808 /trunk/package/gnome2/tomboy/tomboy.desc: * updated tomboy (0.6.3 -> 0.7.5)
09:18 < CIA-24> rene * r25809 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-beta/ (no-shared.patch xemacs-beta.desc): * updated xemacs-beta (21.5.27 -> 21.5.28)
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12:15 < sepp> moin :)
12:54 < rxr> moin sepp
12:54 [Users #t2]
12:54 [@ChanServ] [ emte_ ] [ mqueiros__] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin ]
12:54 [ CIA-24 ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ write_erase]
12:54 [ cyda ] [ happycube] [ netson99_ ] [ sepp ]
12:54 [ Dallur ] [ kic- ] [ pdinoto ] [ TobiX ]
12:54 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
12:54 < rxr> re
12:58 < sepp> hi rxr
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16:17 < rxr> IT: Microsoft Bought Sweden's ISO Vote on OOXML?
16:17 < rxr> " Some 20 new companies — each one payed about $2500 to be allowed to vote — and vote they did ... for Microsoft. Most of the new companies were partners from Microsoft who suddenly out of the blue joined the Working Group, payed membership fees and voted yes for approval. "
16:17 < rxr> http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/08/28/1237255.shtml
16:17 < rxr> now that is fun
16:18 < DeeKey> HAHAH
16:18 < DeeKey> Really!?
16:18 < rxr> that news says so
16:18 < rxr> I was nto there ...
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16:24 < kic-> re
16:24 < kic-> damng, hangovers suck
16:24 < kic-> see, can't even spell
16:24 < rxr> kic-: ?
16:25 < kic-> hi
16:25 < kic-> heh
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16:48 < CIA-24> rene * r25810 /trunk/package/x86/powertop/powertop.desc: * updated powertop (1.7 -> 1.8)
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20:02 < LMJ_p> moin
20:03 < Ryuo> when I try to execute the T2 download scripts, I keep getting curl download errors :/
20:04 < Ryuo> 404 and stuff like that... sigh
20:07 < sepp> which version?
20:07 < sepp> moin LMJ_p
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20:09 < Ryuo> 7.0-rc
20:15 < Ryuo> how annoying, when the download scripts don't even fully work :/
20:15 < Ryuo> some files it claims are 404... like cpio
20:15 < mqueiros__> Ryou: Didi you do an svn checkout ?
20:16 < mqueiros__> Ryuo: Did you do an svn checkout ?
20:16 < rxr> re
20:16 < Ryuo> I tried that too, and it also ran into 404 errors on some of the files
20:16 < rxr> Ryuo: well our master mirror is down right now
20:16 < Ryuo> when i ran the download scripts after configuring
20:17 < mqueiros__> Ryou: Ok... that's it, the mirror is down.
20:17 < rxr> oh - btw. can you just use t2/trunk instead of the -rc ?
20:17 < Ryuo> rxr: any idea when it will be back up?
20:17 < Ryuo> i feel like testing my new machines CPU muscle ^_^
20:18 < Ryuo> this is my first dual core cpu :o
20:18 < happycube> what'cha get?
20:18 < Ryuo> athlon 64 x2 4600+
20:18 < happycube> enjoy :)
20:18 < rxr> yeah - I had someone on the phone today
20:18 < Ryuo> 1 GB ddr2 ram :o
20:19 < rxr> but he was unable to find the reset button
20:19 < rxr> yeah - it's a uni - don't ask
20:19 < Ryuo> ... lol?
20:19 < Ryuo> reset button...
20:19 < Ryuo> my computers entirely custom built
20:19 < rxr> yeah - that is custom built as well
20:20 < mqueiros__> Ryou: I think you can do: rm download/Mirror-Cache that a new mirror will be selected...
20:20 < Ryuo> my previous processor was athlon 64 3500+, socket 939
20:20 < Ryuo> hrm
20:21 < Ryuo> i wonder if AMDs next line of processors will supersede intels current line of extreme processors
20:22 < Ragnarin> very doubtful
20:24 < Ryuo> mqueiros__: I've tried resetting the mirror, doesnt change the outcome
20:28 < rxr> Ryuo: use trunk svn :HEAD checkout
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20:37 < LMJ_p> moin
20:37 < rxr> moin moin LMJ_p
20:37 < LMJ_p> I'm getting lost now : since I restarted X, my mouse cursor is invisible, any ideas why ?
20:38 < rxr> no
20:38 < rxr> if a reboot helps than your driver has a bug restore card state bits on VT switch
20:38 < Ryuo> what kernel does the svn version currently use?
20:38 < Ryuo> 2.6.22?
20:39 < Ragnarin> 2.6.22.5
20:39 < Ryuo> ah
20:39 < LMJ_p> reboot didn't help :-/
20:41 < rxr> hm - did you update something X related ?
20:41 < Ryuo> if you compile and install a T2 system, how do you add or update packages? do you use the same thing you used to compile the original system?
20:42 < rxr> either by build using T2 form source
20:42 < kic-> scripts/Find-Pkg pkgname
20:42 < rxr> or binary packages
20:42 < kic-> if found, scripts/Emerge-Pkg pkgname
20:42 < Ryuo> dir
20:42 < Ryuo> err
20:42 < Ryuo> oops
20:42 < Ryuo> heh
20:43 < kic-> hrm
20:43 < kic-> i'm still running 2.6.22.1 on my office machine here
20:43 < kic-> maybe i should emerge 2.6.22.5
20:44 < Ryuo> whats the difference between t2-trunk and t2-trunk-head?
20:44 * Ryuo blinks.
20:45 < rxr> nothing, just that :HEAD reffers to really be at the SVN HEAD
20:45 < rxr> not some revision lacking behind :-)
20:46 < Ryuo> is there a script for checking if any of your previously compiled packages are out of date?
20:46 < kic-> i think you can do, scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dry-run -system
20:46 < kic-> to get that list
20:46 < Ryuo> ah
20:46 < rxr> hm - something in the system init script messes up the terminal on a new box strange thing
20:47 < kic-> is that the choppy display, which fixes itself as the boot process proceeds on?
20:47 < Ryuo> i prefer to build a minimal system first and only add what I need to avoid unnecessary software... heh
20:47 < LMJ_p> what is the best place to blacklist modules ? I tried /etc/modprobe.conf (blacklist ntfs) but it's still loaded at boot
20:48 < rxr> LMJ_p: the ones loaded in the initrd can currently not be blacklisted
20:48 < rxr> but yes, we need to fix that up
20:48 < rxr> LMJ_p: what do you want to blacklsit ?
20:48 < LMJ_p> ha ok
20:49 < LMJ_p> ntfs, reiserfs..
20:51 < rxr> 6nvidiafb
20:51 < rxr> damn crap
20:51 < rxr> I thought I deleted that offender
20:51 < rxr> damnit
20:51 < rxr> another 20m wasted of my life
20:51 < LMJ_p> ;)
20:52 < rxr> Mem: 8141036
20:52 < rxr> # cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep name
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < yokoy> LMJ_p: I do not want to load ide generic at boot time. So I removed the module and run mkinitrd.
20:52 < rxr> sounds like fun, hm ?
20:52 < yokoy> Hi all
20:52 < yokoy> :-)
20:53 < Ryuo> 8 GB of ram? jeez
20:53 < Ryuo> i've never used more than 1 GB at any one time...
20:53 < LMJ_p> 8 dual core CPU ?
20:53 < sepp> 640k are enough
20:53 < yokoy> LMJ_p: maybe you could remove or hide the named modules
20:53 < LMJ_p> moin sepp ;)
20:54 < sepp> moin LMJ_p
20:54 < rxr> LMJ_p: 2 x Quad Core, yes
20:54 < LMJ_p> what is the model ? Fujitsu ? HP ?
20:54 < Ryuo> man biostar makes pretty solid motherboards...
20:55 < sepp> 1kw power consumption?
20:55 < sepp> :p
20:55 < LMJ_p> we are currently ordering 4 machines like this too :-P
20:55 < LMJ_p> maybe a 4 cpu Quad core too :-P
20:55 < LMJ_p> 16Go or 24Go, we are still wondering ;)
20:55 < Ryuo> isnt 8 processors kinda overkill?
20:56 < Ryuo> at least for a desktop PC it would be...
20:56 < rxr> LMJ_p: oehm - dum di du di dumm
20:57 < LMJ_p> but we are not running T2 on them (not yet) ;)
20:57 < rxr> LMJ_p: Mac Pro
20:58 < rxr> cpuinfo is 184 lines long, ... my oh my
20:58 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Apple/MacPro/
20:58 < rxr> dell was equally expensive, as we are Apple Developer Connect member and receive hardware discount ...
20:58 < rxr> and I prever a quiet office .-)
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21:01 < rxr> oh - hey, the T2 Config is quite comfortable fast
21:02 < LMJ_p> I hope so
21:02 < rxr> (on that box ;-)
21:02 < rxr> that line was intented as joke :-)
21:02 < LMJ_p> . . .
21:03 < LMJ_p> I forgot to send you a couple of hardware supported by T2
21:03 < LMJ_p> Fujitsu servers
21:04 < rxr> ok - the plan is (by the way) that we'll provide binary seeds of all packages that can be cross build for any T2 support architecture from that box ...
21:04 < rxr> including: ARM, MIPS, SupwerH, SPARC, Blackfin, AVR32, etc..
21:04 [Users #t2]
21:04 [@ChanServ] [ emte_ ] [ LMJ_p ] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp ]
21:04 [ CIA-24 ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros__] [ Ragnarin] [ TobiX ]
21:04 [ cyda ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
21:04 [ Dallur ] [ kic- ] [ netson99_ ] [ Ryuo ]
21:04 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
21:04 < LMJ_p> we will have the choice to compile T2 or install binaries previously downloaded from a server ?
21:05 < rxr> at least for network install
21:05 < rxr> and update seeds for our official desktop builds
21:05 < rxr> a lot of people ask for regular updates ...
21:06 < rxr> I even met developers on fairs that currently run Debian that would change in the future if just we would provide bianry update seeds ...
21:06 < rxr> and also for the embedded world people could just drag'n drop their systems together, from arm, armeb, mips, mipsel etc
21:07 < rxr> or grab one or another binary they miss (like perl, eh kic-?)
21:07 < LMJ_p> you have enough ressources to handle all those things ?
21:07 < rxr> that is what we ordered the box for :-)
21:08 < rxr> I'll setup some script that auto compile all the stuff and publish logs and binary packages regularly
21:08 < rxr> like weekly
21:08 < rxr> with RAID setup and ccache the builds crunch thru quickly :-)
21:09 < mqueiros__> it would be nice to know the time, the new machine, takes to compile... say gcc, or binutils... :)
21:12 < rxr> can paste soonish
21:13 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Apple/MacPro/
21:13 < rxr> ^- updated, cpuinfo lspci
21:14 < LMJ_p> gonna try to test T2 on a couple of servers you can find here : http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/products/standard_servers/rack/index.html & http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/en/WF04a/15351-15351-3328412-241644-241475.html
21:15 < rxr> :-)
21:16 < LMJ_p> nice middle range servers imho
21:19 < rxr> == 21:18:44 =[0]=> Building base/gcc [4.2.1 8.0-trunk].
21:19 < rxr> == 08/28/07 21:20:49 =[0]=> Finished building package gcc.
21:19 < rxr> that is of course just the cross compiler, C/C++
21:20 < rxr> first run, so cold ccache
21:21 < LMJ_p> You just need /proc/cpuinfo + lspci from a support T2 server ?
21:22 < rxr> not necessariy
21:22 < rxr> but that gives some more Google hits ...
21:22 < LMJ_p> what do you prefer ? cost me a couple of seconds, nothing more ;)
21:24 < rxr> I prefer cpuinfo and lspci
21:24 < LMJ_p> ok
21:24 < rxr> gives a nice overview + lots of google hits
21:24 < rxr> also lsusb from laptops as the more and more have USB keyboards and the built-in webcam / fingerprint reader etc.
21:25 < LMJ_p> k
21:27 < sepp> ohh damn, i forgot how this nfs crap works
21:28 < mqueiros__> rxr: I will compare that time, with the one from my machine... :)
21:28 < rxr> glibc is running right now
21:28 < rxr> if that builds a little im parallel that will probably be a longer, thus less noisy time to compare
21:29 < rxr> but the 2m for 0-gcc is probably already pretty good
21:30 < rxr> or a kernel build time ... ;-)
21:31 < rxr> == 21:25:52 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [2.6.1 8.0-trunk].
21:31 < rxr> == 08/28/07 21:31:50 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc.
21:31 < Ragnarin> rxr: do you happen to have an idea about a USBDEVFS_REAPURBNDELAY failing with EAGAIN and repeating infinitely?
21:32 < rxr> no
21:32 < Ragnarin> >.<
21:32 < rxr> but I found that with latest trunk libusb stuff does not work with the new /dev/usb stuff
21:32 < rxr> do you speak about user-space USB stuff_
21:32 < Ragnarin> yea seems so
21:32 < Ragnarin> gnomad2
21:32 < rxr> then it will probably work when you rm -rf /dev/usb
21:32 < rxr> and mount usbfs to /proc/bus/usb
21:32 < Ragnarin> oh o_o
21:33 < Ragnarin> hmm no still same error
21:33 < rxr> it looks like libusb does not yet support those usbfs 2.0 or so dynamic device nodes ...
21:34 < Ragnarin> neutrino does the same *kicks libusb
21:36 < rxr> rm as above and mount usbfs to /proc/bus/usb
21:36 < rxr> works for my scanners :_)
21:36 < rxr> I have revisiting udev stuff in trunk on the top of my TODO as I want to release 7.0-final soon
21:36 < Ragnarin> I just tried that
21:36 < rxr> and, nope ?
21:37 < Ragnarin> same error
21:41 < Ragnarin> there's no cvs for libusb 0.1, or?
21:42 < rxr> no idea
21:42 < rxr> but with usbfs it should be rock solid
21:42 < rxr> maybe the problem is elsewhere then
21:42 < rxr> what do you try to use ?
21:43 < Ragnarin> gnomad2 or neutrino
21:44 < rxr> hm, -ENOEXPERIENCE
21:44 < Ragnarin> lol
21:44 < rxr> ok - gotta go
21:44 < rxr> (21:44 in .de)
21:44 < rxr> cu then
21:44 < rxr> and have fun
21:44 < Ragnarin> cya take care
21:45 < rxr> try to :-)
21:53 [Users #t2]
21:53 [@ChanServ] [ emte_ ] [ LMJ_p ] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp ]
21:53 [ CIA-24 ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros__] [ Ragnarin] [ TobiX ]
21:53 [ cyda ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
21:53 [ Dallur ] [ kic- ] [ netson99_ ] [ Ryuo ]
21:53 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
22:01 < Ragnarin> yay :)
22:01 < Ragnarin> libnjb cvs solved it
22:31 < LMJ_p> there is another mirror on Miami rxr ?
22:36 < LMJ_p> I can have a cheap but fast & powerfull & cheap mirror in france, something like 35€ per month for an ulimited 100Mbits connection
22:36 < LMJ_p> my ISP provide it : http://www.dedibox.fr/ (only french version, sorry)
22:39 < LMJ_p> gtg; good night
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04:19 < Ryuo> does T2 have some form of a package manager once you have installed the base system?
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08:01 < rxr> Ryuo: yes
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08:12 < write_erase> hi
08:13 < rxr> hi
08:31 < CIA-24> susan * r25799 /trunk/package/xorg/xtrans/xtrans.desc: * updated xtrans (1.0.3 -> 1.0.4)
08:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25801 /trunk/package/xorg/xwininfo/xwininfo.desc: * updated xwininfo (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3)
08:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25800 /trunk/package/xorg/xcalc/xcalc.desc: * updated xcalc (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
08:46 < CIA-24> susan * r25802 /trunk/package/multimedia/xine-lib/xine-lib.desc: * updated xine-lib (1.1.7 -> 1.1.8)
08:46 < CIA-24> susan * r25803 /trunk/package/filesystem/jfsutils/jfsutils.desc: * updated jfsutils (1.1.11 -> 1.1.12)
08:46 < CIA-24> susan * r25804 /trunk/package/gpe/xserver-common/xserver-common.desc: * updated xserver-common (1.16 -> 1.18)
08:49 < CIA-24> susan * r25805 /trunk/package/graphic/cdlabelgen/cdlabelgen.desc: * updated cdlabelgen (3.6.0 -> 4.0.0)
08:53 < CIA-24> susan * r25806 /trunk/package/xorg/xset/xset.desc: * updated xset (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3)
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09:01 < CIA-24> susan * r25807 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-mag/gnome-mag.desc: * updated gnome-mag (0.14.6 -> 0.14.8)
09:01 < CIA-24> susan * r25808 /trunk/package/gnome2/tomboy/tomboy.desc: * updated tomboy (0.6.3 -> 0.7.5)
09:18 < CIA-24> rene * r25809 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-beta/ (no-shared.patch xemacs-beta.desc): * updated xemacs-beta (21.5.27 -> 21.5.28)
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12:15 < sepp> moin :)
12:54 < rxr> moin sepp
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12:54 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
12:54 < rxr> re
12:58 < sepp> hi rxr
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16:17 < rxr> IT: Microsoft Bought Sweden's ISO Vote on OOXML?
16:17 < rxr> " Some 20 new companies — each one payed about $2500 to be allowed to vote — and vote they did ... for Microsoft. Most of the new companies were partners from Microsoft who suddenly out of the blue joined the Working Group, payed membership fees and voted yes for approval. "
16:17 < rxr> http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/08/28/1237255.shtml
16:17 < rxr> now that is fun
16:18 < DeeKey> HAHAH
16:18 < DeeKey> Really!?
16:18 < rxr> that news says so
16:18 < rxr> I was nto there ...
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16:24 < kic-> re
16:24 < kic-> damng, hangovers suck
16:24 < kic-> see, can't even spell
16:24 < rxr> kic-: ?
16:25 < kic-> hi
16:25 < kic-> heh
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16:48 < CIA-24> rene * r25810 /trunk/package/x86/powertop/powertop.desc: * updated powertop (1.7 -> 1.8)
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20:02 < LMJ_p> moin
20:03 < Ryuo> when I try to execute the T2 download scripts, I keep getting curl download errors :/
20:04 < Ryuo> 404 and stuff like that... sigh
20:07 < sepp> which version?
20:07 < sepp> moin LMJ_p
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20:09 < Ryuo> 7.0-rc
20:15 < Ryuo> how annoying, when the download scripts don't even fully work :/
20:15 < Ryuo> some files it claims are 404... like cpio
20:15 < mqueiros__> Ryou: Didi you do an svn checkout ?
20:16 < mqueiros__> Ryuo: Did you do an svn checkout ?
20:16 < rxr> re
20:16 < Ryuo> I tried that too, and it also ran into 404 errors on some of the files
20:16 < rxr> Ryuo: well our master mirror is down right now
20:16 < Ryuo> when i ran the download scripts after configuring
20:17 < mqueiros__> Ryou: Ok... that's it, the mirror is down.
20:17 < rxr> oh - btw. can you just use t2/trunk instead of the -rc ?
20:17 < Ryuo> rxr: any idea when it will be back up?
20:17 < Ryuo> i feel like testing my new machines CPU muscle ^_^
20:18 < Ryuo> this is my first dual core cpu :o
20:18 < happycube> what'cha get?
20:18 < Ryuo> athlon 64 x2 4600+
20:18 < happycube> enjoy :)
20:18 < rxr> yeah - I had someone on the phone today
20:18 < Ryuo> 1 GB ddr2 ram :o
20:19 < rxr> but he was unable to find the reset button
20:19 < rxr> yeah - it's a uni - don't ask
20:19 < Ryuo> ... lol?
20:19 < Ryuo> reset button...
20:19 < Ryuo> my computers entirely custom built
20:19 < rxr> yeah - that is custom built as well
20:20 < mqueiros__> Ryou: I think you can do: rm download/Mirror-Cache that a new mirror will be selected...
20:20 < Ryuo> my previous processor was athlon 64 3500+, socket 939
20:20 < Ryuo> hrm
20:21 < Ryuo> i wonder if AMDs next line of processors will supersede intels current line of extreme processors
20:22 < Ragnarin> very doubtful
20:24 < Ryuo> mqueiros__: I've tried resetting the mirror, doesnt change the outcome
20:28 < rxr> Ryuo: use trunk svn :HEAD checkout
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20:37 < LMJ_p> moin
20:37 < rxr> moin moin LMJ_p
20:37 < LMJ_p> I'm getting lost now : since I restarted X, my mouse cursor is invisible, any ideas why ?
20:38 < rxr> no
20:38 < rxr> if a reboot helps than your driver has a bug restore card state bits on VT switch
20:38 < Ryuo> what kernel does the svn version currently use?
20:38 < Ryuo> 2.6.22?
20:39 < Ragnarin> 2.6.22.5
20:39 < Ryuo> ah
20:39 < LMJ_p> reboot didn't help :-/
20:41 < rxr> hm - did you update something X related ?
20:41 < Ryuo> if you compile and install a T2 system, how do you add or update packages? do you use the same thing you used to compile the original system?
20:42 < rxr> either by build using T2 form source
20:42 < kic-> scripts/Find-Pkg pkgname
20:42 < rxr> or binary packages
20:42 < kic-> if found, scripts/Emerge-Pkg pkgname
20:42 < Ryuo> dir
20:42 < Ryuo> err
20:42 < Ryuo> oops
20:42 < Ryuo> heh
20:43 < kic-> hrm
20:43 < kic-> i'm still running 2.6.22.1 on my office machine here
20:43 < kic-> maybe i should emerge 2.6.22.5
20:44 < Ryuo> whats the difference between t2-trunk and t2-trunk-head?
20:44 * Ryuo blinks.
20:45 < rxr> nothing, just that :HEAD reffers to really be at the SVN HEAD
20:45 < rxr> not some revision lacking behind :-)
20:46 < Ryuo> is there a script for checking if any of your previously compiled packages are out of date?
20:46 < kic-> i think you can do, scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dry-run -system
20:46 < kic-> to get that list
20:46 < Ryuo> ah
20:46 < rxr> hm - something in the system init script messes up the terminal on a new box strange thing
20:47 < kic-> is that the choppy display, which fixes itself as the boot process proceeds on?
20:47 < Ryuo> i prefer to build a minimal system first and only add what I need to avoid unnecessary software... heh
20:47 < LMJ_p> what is the best place to blacklist modules ? I tried /etc/modprobe.conf (blacklist ntfs) but it's still loaded at boot
20:48 < rxr> LMJ_p: the ones loaded in the initrd can currently not be blacklisted
20:48 < rxr> but yes, we need to fix that up
20:48 < rxr> LMJ_p: what do you want to blacklsit ?
20:48 < LMJ_p> ha ok
20:49 < LMJ_p> ntfs, reiserfs..
20:51 < rxr> 6nvidiafb
20:51 < rxr> damn crap
20:51 < rxr> I thought I deleted that offender
20:51 < rxr> damnit
20:51 < rxr> another 20m wasted of my life
20:51 < LMJ_p> ;)
20:52 < rxr> Mem: 8141036
20:52 < rxr> # cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep name
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
20:52 < yokoy> LMJ_p: I do not want to load ide generic at boot time. So I removed the module and run mkinitrd.
20:52 < rxr> sounds like fun, hm ?
20:52 < yokoy> Hi all
20:52 < yokoy> :-)
20:53 < Ryuo> 8 GB of ram? jeez
20:53 < Ryuo> i've never used more than 1 GB at any one time...
20:53 < LMJ_p> 8 dual core CPU ?
20:53 < sepp> 640k are enough
20:53 < yokoy> LMJ_p: maybe you could remove or hide the named modules
20:53 < LMJ_p> moin sepp ;)
20:54 < sepp> moin LMJ_p
20:54 < rxr> LMJ_p: 2 x Quad Core, yes
20:54 < LMJ_p> what is the model ? Fujitsu ? HP ?
20:54 < Ryuo> man biostar makes pretty solid motherboards...
20:55 < sepp> 1kw power consumption?
20:55 < sepp> :p
20:55 < LMJ_p> we are currently ordering 4 machines like this too :-P
20:55 < LMJ_p> maybe a 4 cpu Quad core too :-P
20:55 < LMJ_p> 16Go or 24Go, we are still wondering ;)
20:55 < Ryuo> isnt 8 processors kinda overkill?
20:56 < Ryuo> at least for a desktop PC it would be...
20:56 < rxr> LMJ_p: oehm - dum di du di dumm
20:57 < LMJ_p> but we are not running T2 on them (not yet) ;)
20:57 < rxr> LMJ_p: Mac Pro
20:58 < rxr> cpuinfo is 184 lines long, ... my oh my
20:58 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Apple/MacPro/
20:58 < rxr> dell was equally expensive, as we are Apple Developer Connect member and receive hardware discount ...
20:58 < rxr> and I prever a quiet office .-)
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21:01 < rxr> oh - hey, the T2 Config is quite comfortable fast
21:02 < LMJ_p> I hope so
21:02 < rxr> (on that box ;-)
21:02 < rxr> that line was intented as joke :-)
21:02 < LMJ_p> . . .
21:03 < LMJ_p> I forgot to send you a couple of hardware supported by T2
21:03 < LMJ_p> Fujitsu servers
21:04 < rxr> ok - the plan is (by the way) that we'll provide binary seeds of all packages that can be cross build for any T2 support architecture from that box ...
21:04 < rxr> including: ARM, MIPS, SupwerH, SPARC, Blackfin, AVR32, etc..
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21:04 < LMJ_p> we will have the choice to compile T2 or install binaries previously downloaded from a server ?
21:05 < rxr> at least for network install
21:05 < rxr> and update seeds for our official desktop builds
21:05 < rxr> a lot of people ask for regular updates ...
21:06 < rxr> I even met developers on fairs that currently run Debian that would change in the future if just we would provide bianry update seeds ...
21:06 < rxr> and also for the embedded world people could just drag'n drop their systems together, from arm, armeb, mips, mipsel etc
21:07 < rxr> or grab one or another binary they miss (like perl, eh kic-?)
21:07 < LMJ_p> you have enough ressources to handle all those things ?
21:07 < rxr> that is what we ordered the box for :-)
21:08 < rxr> I'll setup some script that auto compile all the stuff and publish logs and binary packages regularly
21:08 < rxr> like weekly
21:08 < rxr> with RAID setup and ccache the builds crunch thru quickly :-)
21:09 < mqueiros__> it would be nice to know the time, the new machine, takes to compile... say gcc, or binutils... :)
21:12 < rxr> can paste soonish
21:13 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Apple/MacPro/
21:13 < rxr> ^- updated, cpuinfo lspci
21:14 < LMJ_p> gonna try to test T2 on a couple of servers you can find here : http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/products/standard_servers/rack/index.html & http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/en/WF04a/15351-15351-3328412-241644-241475.html
21:15 < rxr> :-)
21:16 < LMJ_p> nice middle range servers imho
21:19 < rxr> == 21:18:44 =[0]=> Building base/gcc [4.2.1 8.0-trunk].
21:19 < rxr> == 08/28/07 21:20:49 =[0]=> Finished building package gcc.
21:19 < rxr> that is of course just the cross compiler, C/C++
21:20 < rxr> first run, so cold ccache
21:21 < LMJ_p> You just need /proc/cpuinfo + lspci from a support T2 server ?
21:22 < rxr> not necessariy
21:22 < rxr> but that gives some more Google hits ...
21:22 < LMJ_p> what do you prefer ? cost me a couple of seconds, nothing more ;)
21:24 < rxr> I prefer cpuinfo and lspci
21:24 < LMJ_p> ok
21:24 < rxr> gives a nice overview + lots of google hits
21:24 < rxr> also lsusb from laptops as the more and more have USB keyboards and the built-in webcam / fingerprint reader etc.
21:25 < LMJ_p> k
21:27 < sepp> ohh damn, i forgot how this nfs crap works
21:28 < mqueiros__> rxr: I will compare that time, with the one from my machine... :)
21:28 < rxr> glibc is running right now
21:28 < rxr> if that builds a little im parallel that will probably be a longer, thus less noisy time to compare
21:29 < rxr> but the 2m for 0-gcc is probably already pretty good
21:30 < rxr> or a kernel build time ... ;-)
21:31 < rxr> == 21:25:52 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [2.6.1 8.0-trunk].
21:31 < rxr> == 08/28/07 21:31:50 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc.
21:31 < Ragnarin> rxr: do you happen to have an idea about a USBDEVFS_REAPURBNDELAY failing with EAGAIN and repeating infinitely?
21:32 < rxr> no
21:32 < Ragnarin> >.<
21:32 < rxr> but I found that with latest trunk libusb stuff does not work with the new /dev/usb stuff
21:32 < rxr> do you speak about user-space USB stuff_
21:32 < Ragnarin> yea seems so
21:32 < Ragnarin> gnomad2
21:32 < rxr> then it will probably work when you rm -rf /dev/usb
21:32 < rxr> and mount usbfs to /proc/bus/usb
21:32 < Ragnarin> oh o_o
21:33 < Ragnarin> hmm no still same error
21:33 < rxr> it looks like libusb does not yet support those usbfs 2.0 or so dynamic device nodes ...
21:34 < Ragnarin> neutrino does the same *kicks libusb
21:36 < rxr> rm as above and mount usbfs to /proc/bus/usb
21:36 < rxr> works for my scanners :_)
21:36 < rxr> I have revisiting udev stuff in trunk on the top of my TODO as I want to release 7.0-final soon
21:36 < Ragnarin> I just tried that
21:36 < rxr> and, nope ?
21:37 < Ragnarin> same error
21:41 < Ragnarin> there's no cvs for libusb 0.1, or?
21:42 < rxr> no idea
21:42 < rxr> but with usbfs it should be rock solid
21:42 < rxr> maybe the problem is elsewhere then
21:42 < rxr> what do you try to use ?
21:43 < Ragnarin> gnomad2 or neutrino
21:44 < rxr> hm, -ENOEXPERIENCE
21:44 < Ragnarin> lol
21:44 < rxr> ok - gotta go
21:44 < rxr> (21:44 in .de)
21:44 < rxr> cu then
21:44 < rxr> and have fun
21:44 < Ragnarin> cya take care
21:45 < rxr> try to :-)
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21:53 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
22:01 < Ragnarin> yay :)
22:01 < Ragnarin> libnjb cvs solved it
22:31 < LMJ_p> there is another mirror on Miami rxr ?
22:36 < LMJ_p> I can have a cheap but fast & powerfull & cheap mirror in france, something like 35€ per month for an ulimited 100Mbits connection
22:36 < LMJ_p> my ISP provide it : http://www.dedibox.fr/ (only french version, sorry)
22:39 < LMJ_p> gtg; good night
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