--- Log opened Sat Aug 18 00:00:03 2007
01:06 < CIA-24> ragnar * r25654 /trunk/package/develop/libgdiplus/ctype.patch: * libgdiplus: fix header to include ctype.h for isspace()
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09:21 < rxr> re
09:29 < rxr> re
09:52 < CIA-24> rene * r25655 /trunk/package/network/irssi/irssi.desc: * updated irssi (0.8.11-rc2 -> 0.8.11)
09:59 < CIA-24> rene * r25656 /trunk/package/powerpc/yaboot/ (gcc34.patch powerpc64.patch yaboot.desc): * updated yaboot (1.3.13 -> 1.3.14)
10:09 < rxr> hahaha, at: http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=18475
10:09 < rxr>  price tag...
10:09 < rxr>    By codehead78 on 2007-08-17 14:11:36 UTC
10:09 < rxr>   Who is going to pay almost $500 for a phone? 
10:09 < rxr>  
10:09 < rxr> Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1C25 Safari/419.3
10:13 < CIA-24> susan * r25657 /trunk/package/develop/uncrustify/uncrustify.desc: * updated uncrustify (0.36 -> 0.37)
10:14 < CIA-24> rene * r25658 /trunk/package/develop/sysprof/ (. sysprof.cache sysprof.conf sysprof.desc): 
10:14 < CIA-24> Cyrus Muraya <cyrus.muraya@safemedia.com>:
10:14 < CIA-24>  * added sysprof (1.0.8) - A sampling systemwide CPU profiler for Linux
10:16 < CIA-24> susan * r25659 /trunk/package/security/gnupg2/gnupg2.desc: * updated gnupg2 (2.0.5 -> 2.0.6)
10:30 < CIA-24> rene * r25660 /trunk/package/ (5 files in 5 dirs): * marked a2ps, aterm, gtkdoc, hercules and libgdiplus to cross build
10:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25661 /trunk/package/scientific/graphviz/graphviz.desc: * updated graphviz (2.14 -> 2.14.1)
10:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25662 /trunk/package/network/nginx/nginx.desc: * updated nginx (0.5.30 -> 0.5.31)
10:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25663 /trunk/package/base/numactl/numactl.desc: * updated numactl (0.9.11 -> 1.0.1)
10:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25664 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdl/gdl.desc: * updated gdl (0.7.6 -> 0.7.7)
10:46 < rxr> "Wer alternative Programme verwendet, ist dabei leider zwangsläufig im Nachteil."
10:46 < rxr> ^-> http://www.golem.de/0708/54160.html
12:36 < CIA-24> rene * r25665 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * fixed foo2zjs and imagemagick to cross build
13:48 < sepp> moin :)
13:48 < rxr> moin sepp 
13:49 < sepp> moin rxr 
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14:26 < CIA-24> rene * r25666 /trunk/package/archiver/lzma/ (lzma.conf lzma.desc): * fixed lzma to cross build
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17:12 < rxr> "In a first for the US, one of three nuclear reactors at the Browns Ferry nuclear plant in Alabama has been shut down because the Tennessee River is too hot to provide adequate cooling for the waste heat produced by the reactor.
17:12 < rxr> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/08/18/131226.shtml
17:25 < CIA-24> rene * r25667 /trunk/package/develop/sysprof/sysprof.desc: * marked sysprof x86, x86-64 only
17:26 < CIA-24> rene * r25668 /trunk/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * marked libopenraw and oprofile to cross build
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17:29 < DeeKey> Hello!
17:29 < rxr> hi DeeKey 
17:41 < DeeKey> hmm very strange error build: invisible :)
17:41 < DeeKey> The build is aborted, but there are no errors (except of some standard one connected with custom config linux file)
17:41 < DeeKey> could you look at the error log? http://pastebin.com/m2358d803
17:44 < rxr> there is stuff in usr/local
17:44 < rxr> a distribution should not place files there, and thus T2 aborts on /usr/local files (by default)
17:44 < rxr> Found files in /usr/local:
17:44 < rxr> ...
17:45 < rxr> if this are ordenary kernel objects they probably should be in /lib/modules, anyway, no ?
17:45 < DeeKey> in what user/local? in the $root ?
17:46 < rxr> usr/local, yes in the new system roo
17:46 < rxr> if it would mangle the build host the erorr would be "... outside basedir"
17:46 < DeeKey> I have seen such already... :)
17:47 < rxr> but this are all the kernel objects they should probably not be in usr/local in any case :-)
17:48 < DeeKey> hmm actually usr/local and usr is a default dirs for comedi install..
17:48 < DeeKey> COMEDI installation directory (/usr/local or /usr).
17:49 < rxr> yea - every package installs into /usr/local by default
17:49 < rxr> because this is the fallbck for joe end users messing it into their system
17:49 < rxr> but for a real distribution shipping the stuff /usr/local should be empty for users to exactly mess themself :-)
17:49 < DeeKey> I see...
17:50 < rxr> comedi should install into $prefix, all configure scripts normally are executed with --prefix=/$prefix
17:50 < rxr> that's in the $confopt variable by default
17:50 < DeeKey> and what is prefix ? What is the path of it?
17:51 < DeeKey> but what about other dirs? like /usr/realtime or just /usr ? Is it ok to use them?
17:51 < rxr> by default the $prefix is set to usr
17:52 < rxr> but notheless the $prefix variable should be honor in any case
17:52 < DeeKey> ok. Thanks, is it from LSF ?
17:52 < rxr> because the user or the target might specify another one, for example /opt/comedi
17:52 < rxr> more the FHS, Filesyxtem Hirachy standard
17:52 < rxr> /usr/local is for local installation
17:53 < DeeKey> thanks!
17:53 < rxr> for stuff needed for boot and /usr for the non-boot stuff
17:53 < rxr>  /opt is for optional, big extensions
17:53 < DeeKey> will try to fix and rebuild..,.
17:53 < rxr> but in T2 the $prefix defaults to "usr", and the $prefix variable should be honored everywhere
17:53 < rxr> (some dumb packages do not do this right now, but in theory all should)
17:54 < rxr> to allow for the user or the target to set a prefix, like KDE stuff defaults to /opt/kde in T2, GNOME to /opt/gnome2, XFCE to /opt/xfce4 (I think)
17:54 < rxr> etc. - so that a target can flexible change this
17:54 < rxr> but for your package I think just the kernel moduel dir or so is set wrong somewhere, as the /usr/local stuff is all kernel modules, right ?
17:55 < DeeKey> sorry , are u sure, that "/" is needed? 
17:55 < DeeKey> --prefix=/$prefix
17:55 < rxr> yes
17:55 < rxr> because the $prefix variable in T2 has no / prefix
17:55 < rxr> that was some historic choice, but makes life easier in some places
18:07 < CIA-24> rene * r25669 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * fixed avrdude and usbutils to cross build
18:42 < mqueiros> I'm trying to change the default runlevel of my livecd. I changed inittab in build/.../etc but still got the same run level. Probably I'm looking in the wrong place. Where should I make this kind of changes ?
18:43 < rxr> best in your target's rootfs overlay
18:43 < rxr> like: trunk/target/desktop/rootfs/etc/inittab
18:45 < mqueiros> the target itself... but, there's no /rootfs/ inside the target, should I create it ?
18:47 < rxr> yes, just create it
18:47 < rxr> everything in that dir is used for e.g. livecd builds to "apply some config and fixup and the like" during the final image creation
18:47 < rxr> creation / compression
18:49 < mqueiros> ok, thanks. I was looking at it in the handbook... but was not sure if it was what I wanted because that applies at the target, I thought there was some kind of changes that could be made to the config it self.
19:05 < mqueiros> rxr: Got some strange errors running Config script... http://pastebin.com/m311cc2b And this error trying to run the build target script: http://pastebin.com/m3351f12f
19:05 < rxr> ouh
19:06 < mqueiros> It started (I think) when I tried to use the same config but changed from "generic" to "desktop"...
19:22 < tri_> after i build a package it always says "grep config/default" - why ? :-)
19:27 < rxr> ouh
19:27 < rxr> how do you build a packageß
19:27 < rxr> I think I did not see such a printout the last couple of days
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19:35 < sirPalook> Hi. Is it possible to use an alternative libc? glibc is just too much for my target distribution.
19:35 < rxr> sirPalook: yes, sure T2 also supports uclibc and dietlibc (and eglibc, but eglibc is the same size as glibc :-)
19:35 < rxr> sirPalook: just select which C library you wanna use
19:36 < sirPalook> OK. It wasn't clear from the quick looking at the docs/faqs
19:36 < sirPalook> That's good to know!
19:38 < rxr> sirPalook: in the Config you can select the c library, as you can enforce if you create a specific target
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19:38 < sirPalook> I want to make a distribution for qemu (for porting a linux program in windows).
19:39 < sirPalook> So I'd like the entire thing to be no more than, say, 20MB.
19:39 < sirPalook> No X.
19:39 < sirPalook> Just framebuffer console.
19:39 < rxr> you probably rather want uclibc then, dietlibc is a way more minimal
19:39 < rxr> uclibc is more standard and full-featured
19:40 < sirPalook> I'll give it a try. Do you know more or less what's the size of the binary of the "base" system?
19:41 < rxr> we (http://ExactCODE.de) created systems as tiny as 6MB with glibc and less than 4MB with uclibc/dietlibc - that is a compressed image
19:41 < rxr> 20MB including glibc, mysql and more
19:41 < sirPalook> That's great!
19:41 < rxr> this depends what you include along your bare minimal stuff
19:41 < rxr> just ask when you get to the point where you further want to strip and optimize it down
19:42 < sirPalook> Just kernel, libc, gcc-core, busybox. But that's what T2 is here for.
19:42 < sirPalook> Thanks for the info.
19:43 < rxr> ok - if you want a compiler than the system will indeed be in the 20MB scale
19:43 < sirPalook> Just gcc-core (the C frontent) is about 1MB IIRC
19:43 < sirPalook> That's the cc executable and libgcc.
19:45 < rxr> ok, if you cherry pick the files than you can get GCC pretty tiny, yes :-)
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20:11 < DeeKey> rxr: is it the right variable? $moduledir  Without S in the middle?
20:11 < DeeKey> in t2..
20:11 < rxr> # grep moduledir package/base/linux24/linux24.conf 
20:11 < rxr> 	moduledir="$root/lib/modules/${lx_kernelrelease}"
20:11 < rxr> yes
20:31 < CIA-24> rene * r25670 /trunk/package/x11/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * fixed wmbatteries and wmmemmon to cross build
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21:15 < CIA-24> rene * r25671 /trunk/package/ (audio/freealut/freealut.desc x11/afterstep/afterstep.desc): * marked freealut and afterstep to cross build
21:54 < DeeKey> busybox dont like minit:
21:54 < DeeKey> http://pastebin.com/m6bfcaa5a
21:54 < DeeKey> they both want to install init :)
23:20 < CIA-24> denisk * r25672 /branches/rtai/package/scientific/comedi/ (comedi.cache comedi.conf comedi.desc): * updated comedi to the latest version
23:21 < CIA-24> denisk * r25673 /branches/rtai/package/scientific/comedi-driver/ (comedi-driver.cache comedi-driver.desc pkg_linux26_post.conf): * fix bugs in comedi-driver, deleted postlinux file
23:22 < CIA-24> denisk * r25674 /branches/rtai/package/contrib/rtai/pkg_linux26_post.conf: * fix bugs in rtai package
23:24 < CIA-24> denisk * r25675 /branches/rtai/target/rtai/ (config.in pkgsel): * added comedi to package list. Forced to use busybox as init
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