--- Log opened Thu Jul 05 00:00:21 2007 00:06 -!- kic [n=kicstah@adsl-074-238-088-202.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [] 00:48 -!- DeeKey [n=denis@84-50-19-129-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:11 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E11B52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 01:25 -!- mtr [n=Michael@pD9E12B47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:25 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 02:44 -!- tri [n=tri@p57ADCA1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:33 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:47 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 06:55 -!- Netsplit jordan.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: LMJ, sepp, TobiX 07:01 -!- Netsplit over, joins: TobiX 07:05 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z66d3.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 07:09 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 07:10 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 07:32 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]"] 09:04 < CIA-9> susan * r24890 /trunk/package/editors/ed/ed.desc: * updated ed (0.5 -> 0.6) 09:05 < CIA-9> susan * r24891 /trunk/package/security/libksba/libksba.desc: * updated libksba (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2) 09:06 < CIA-9> susan * r24892 /trunk/package/editors/zile/zile.desc: * updated zile (2.2.36 -> 2.2.37) 09:07 < rxr> re 09:08 < CIA-9> susan * r24893 /trunk/package/multimedia/live/live.desc: * updated live (2007.05.24 -> 2007.07.01) 09:08 < rxr> mtr: oh - we both hacked it then, now ... 09:08 < CIA-9> susan * r24894 /trunk/package/network/silc-toolkit/silc-toolkit.desc: * updated silc-toolkit (1.1.1 -> 1.1.2) 09:08 < rxr> mtr: s/it/exact-image/ 09:08 < CIA-9> susan * r24895 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/strongswan.desc: * updated strongswan (4.1.3 -> 4.1.4) 09:09 < rxr> mtr: btw. there is way more to come in exact-image, pattern recognition is already implemented in exact-image/trunk and I right now integrate Agg to be able to render vector elements and text into the images :-) 09:14 < CIA-9> susan * r24896 /trunk/package/network/silc-client/silc-client.desc: * updated silc-client (1.1.1 -> 1.1.2) 09:15 < CIA-9> susan * r24897 /trunk/package/graphic/libpano/libpano.desc: * updated libpano (2.8.4 -> 2.8.6) 09:15 < sepp> moin :) 09:17 < sepp> can someone with an multilib build look if stubs-32.h appears in glibc's flist? 09:18 < sepp> it never does on my box and i have no clue why 09:22 < rxr> rene@blackrider:~$ grep stubs-32.h /var/adm/flists/* 09:22 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/glibc:glibc: usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h 09:22 < rxr> but that is a 6.0.1 with tons of trunk upates: 09:22 < sepp> strange thing 09:22 < rxr> T2 SDE 6.0.1 (2006/10/29) 09:23 < sepp> ahh, yes, it is only missing with Build-Target 09:23 -!- tri [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 09:23 < tri> moin 09:23 < sepp> moin tri 09:24 < tri> hi sepp are you doing kernel development ? 09:24 < sepp> no 09:24 < tri> or embedded linux work ? 09:24 < sepp> no 09:24 < tri> is rxr doing that ? 09:24 < sepp> rene does 09:25 < rxr> tri: yep 09:25 < rxr> hi tri 09:25 < tri> ping rxr 09:26 < rxr> pong 09:26 < tri> ah hi rene 09:27 < tri> somebody at our local linux group is searching for a kernel embedded linux worker 09:27 < tri> not fulltime just project work 09:28 < tri> he owns http://www.linuxdevelopment.de/ 09:29 < rxr> heh 09:29 < rxr> the site is pretty blan here, in konqeurror and firefox 09:29 < rxr> probably a flash only thing ? 09:29 < rxr> well - he is welcome to engage us, www.exactcode.de is our company 09:31 < sepp> http://www.linuxdevelopment.de/1.html :) 09:31 < tri> yeah flash is terrible 09:31 < rxr> tri: well I would even install one, if there would be a 64bit .so for my system ... 09:31 < sepp> could at least have some skip button 09:33 < rxr> btw. there is a new gnash, but it did not built for me 09:33 < rxr> -[V] 0.7.2 09:33 < rxr> +[V] 0.8.0 09:34 < rxr> maybe someone wants to try it 09:35 < rxr> -[D] 2536333847 gnash-0.7.2.tar.bz2 ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnash/0.7.2/ 09:35 < rxr> +[D] 1146358585 gnash-0.8.0.tar.bz2 ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnash/0.8.0/ 09:39 -!- tri [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:44 -!- tr1 [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 09:45 < CIA-9> susan * r24898 /trunk/package/network/l7-filter/l7-filter.desc: * updated l7-filter (2.9 -> 2.12) 09:49 < CIA-9> susan * r24899 /trunk/package/text2speech/espeak/espeak.desc: * updated espeak (1.26 -> 1.27) 10:19 -!- tr1 [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:20 < rxr> puh 10:20 < rxr> damn, hunted quite some time very cryptic gcc errors that where just a result of a pair of ()'s ... 10:40 -!- tri [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 11:51 -!- tr1 [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 11:51 -!- tri [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:55 -!- tr1 [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:42 [Users #t2] 13:42 [@ChanServ ] [ Dallur] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ] 13:42 [ cbrake_away] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin] 13:42 [ CIA-9 ] [ Fatal ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] 13:42 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 13:42 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/agg-and-exact-image.png 13:46 < sepp> :) 13:46 < rxr> oh hi sepp 13:46 < rxr> yeah - had a quick hack already working yesterday 13:47 < sepp> hi rxr 13:47 < rxr> (that only worked on RGB and would crash otherwise, when the in-memory pixel content would he shorted than RGB and then just draw shifted garbage= 13:47 < rxr> ) 13:48 < rxr> now that screenshot is from a real interfacing of the two worlds, work in any exact-image Image class, be that 1 bit b/w, 2bit gray, 4bit gray, 8bit gray, RGB, ... 13:48 < rxr> got quite some gray hairs 13:50 < rxr> Agg is quite nicely optimized, callbacks with quite some well-optimized scanlines into the exact-image renderer 13:52 < rxr> Xvas (eXact canVAS) comes next 13:52 < rxr> but probably in some weeks as I have some contract work to do first ... 13:53 < rxr> Liste mit Nebentätigkeiten von Bundestagsabgeordneten steht im Netz 13:53 < rxr> Danach bezieht beispielsweise Friedrich Merz (CDU/CSU) von acht Unternehmen jährlich jeweils Einkünfte der Stufe 3 (mindestens 7.000 Euro). Merz hatte zusammen mit weiteren Parlamentariern gegen die Offenlegung von Nebeneinkünften geklagt. 13:55 < rxr> # bc 13:55 < rxr> 7000*8 13:55 < rxr> 56000 13:56 < sepp> are you surprised? 13:56 < rxr> nop 13:56 < sepp> :) 14:08 < CIA-8> rene * r430 /trunk/gfx/ (Agg2D.cc Agg2D.hh Makefile): * reverted the addition of Agg2D 14:26 -!- pdinoto [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 14:29 < rxr> sepp: http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/agg-and-exact-image2.png 15:09 -!- shev_ [n=shev@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #t2 15:11 < shev_> heya. on http://www.puppylinux.com/news/comments.php?y=06&m=07&entry=entry060713-193517 there is a link stating t2 has a comparison of t2 vs. gentoo, but the link on that page is broken. Does that comparison-page still exist somewhere? 15:13 -!- tri [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 15:13 < rxr> shev_: it's not too long anyway: http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/t2.intro.different.distribution.html#t2.reposadmin.basics.backends.tbl-1 15:14 < shev_> thanks 15:16 < shev_> hehe 15:16 < shev_> "many monkeys method" 15:16 -!- cbrake_away is now known as cbrake 15:16 [Users #t2] 15:16 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin] [ shev_] [ tri ] 15:16 [ cbrake ] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz] [ valentin] 15:16 [ CIA-9 ] [ Fatal ] [ pdinoto] [ sepp ] [ TobiX] 15:16 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 15:17 < tri> re 15:17 < tri> rxr: a rpath vs. t2 would be nice 15:18 < rxr> tri: do you know rpath? 15:18 < rxr> I started to add openembeded to the table 15:18 < rxr> that is already in the SVN source of the book 15:19 < rxr> I could regenerate the files and upload, now 15:19 < tri> ah interessting 15:19 < tri> i played a bit with rpath but it is also different 15:20 < rxr> well - aside that openembeded was started after t2 and thus would not had to be invented (:-) it's use of the properitary bitbake stuff is the biggest annoyance 15:21 < rxr> plus that all openembedded and related websites are mostly bitrotting, like no news since a year and the like 15:21 < rxr> tri: maybe you can drop some notes about rpath so we can get a baisc overview? maybe get inspired by one idea or concept ? 15:22 < rxr> and - btw - the T2 Handbook sources are here: http://www.google.com/ig?hl=en 15:22 < rxr> err 15:22 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2-handbook/ 15:22 < rxr> patches welcome 15:24 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/t2.intro.different.distribution.html#t2.reposadmin.basics.backends.tbl-1 15:24 < rxr> ^- includes latest OpenEmbeded start 15:24 < rxr> comments welcome, especially filling the ???s 15:29 -!- tr1 [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 15:29 -!- tri [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:29 < tr1> yes nice - i will drop same thoughts about rpath 15:30 < tr1> but later... a lot work here for now... 15:47 -!- Dallur [n=earl@fire-out.ru.is] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:47 < CIA-9> rene * r24900 /trunk/package/develop/boehm-gc/ (boehm-gc.desc no_doc.patch): * reverted r24884: updated boehm-gc (6.8 -> 7.0), as it causes regressions in mono, et al. 16:02 < shev_> i love those cia notifications 16:09 -!- wbx [n=wbx@gw.aurisp.de] has joined #t2 16:11 [Users #t2] 16:11 [@ChanServ] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz] [ valentin] 16:11 [ cbrake ] [ Fatal] [ pdinoto ] [ sepp ] [ TobiX] [ wbx ] 16:11 [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin] [ shev_] [ tr1 ] 16:11 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 16:35 -!- tr1 [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:35 -!- tri [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 17:00 -!- kic- [n=kicstah@adsl-074-238-088-202.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2 17:00 < tri> ping rxr 17:00 < kic-> re 17:01 < tri> hi kic- 17:01 < kic-> hiya 17:02 < tri> ;-) 17:02 < kic-> gotta love make -j9 17:02 < kic-> :D 17:04 < rxr> hi 17:18 < rxr> hm - now that this FreeBSD nexus.tfh-berlin.de is back online our osiris disappeared 17:18 < rxr> damn 17:21 < shev_> hehe 17:26 -!- tri [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:30 < CIA-9> rene * r24901 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 17:30 < CIA-9> * updated evolution-data-server (1.10.2 -> 1.10.3.1) 17:30 < CIA-9> * updated evolution (2.10.2 -> 2.10.3) 17:52 -!- keinek_ [n=chatzill@201.250.16.187] has joined #t2 17:53 < CIA-9> rene * r24902 /trunk/package/develop/commonc++/commonc++.desc: * updated commonc++ (1.5.6 -> 1.5.7) 17:53 < CIA-9> rene * r24903 /trunk/package/python/itools/itools.desc: * updated itools (0.16.0 -> 0.16.1) 18:08 -!- shev_ [n=shev@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at] has quit ["Verlassend"] 18:24 < rxr> valentin: now that is a rainstorm over here 18:35 < kic-> rene 18:35 < kic-> any way i can pass -j3 18:35 < kic-> to all the make commands when its compiling? 18:35 < rxr> just select the parallel make count in the Config 18:36 < rxr> it should already detect the number of cores in a Linux system 18:36 < rxr> for the packages this is known to work it is used then 18:36 < rxr> (some packages have imperfect rules and break on parallel builds, those are marked with a NOPARALLEL Flag in the .desc, the build output will print notes on each package beeing build which parallel count is used) 18:46 < CIA-9> rene * r24904 /trunk/package/multimedia/gnash/ (gnash.conf gnash.desc): 18:46 < CIA-9> * updated gnash (0.7.2 -> 0.8.0), including workaround to link with 18:46 < CIA-9> our ffmpeg (sigh), removal of broken and absolete pkginstalled 18:46 < CIA-9> conditionals and installation of the mozilla plugin into the 18:46 < CIA-9> mozilla plugin directory 18:49 < sepp> does it work? or does it just crash crapzilla? 18:49 < rxr> on my x86-64 it does not really work, but also does not crash firefox 18:49 < sepp> hehe 18:49 < rxr> at least it did not work for the 4 sites I tried it with 18:50 < sepp> :/ 18:50 < rxr> Flash is not on my higest priority 18:50 < rxr> it it sometime in the future works then fine, but until then my day is quite productive without Flash no a 64bit machine :-) 18:52 < sepp> i wonder why it is too hard for adobe to compile a 64bit plugin 18:52 < rxr> crappy code all over probably 18:52 < sepp> is there no win64 flash version? 18:53 < rxr> nope 18:53 < sepp> ohhh 18:53 < rxr> no 64bit flash for any OS 18:53 < rxr> I guess they know why 18:53 < sepp> hmm, i thought they are just lazy bastards 18:57 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:01 [Users #t2] 19:01 [@ChanServ] [ emte ] [ kic- ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz ] [ wbx] 19:01 [ cbrake ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ] 19:01 [ CIA-9 ] [ keinek_] [ pdinoto] [ sepp ] [ valentin] 19:01 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 19:04 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:04 < misl> hi folks 19:17 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z7ee0.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 19:30 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 19:36 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z66d3.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:47 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has joined #t2 19:57 -!- shevy [n=shev@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #t2 20:13 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:13 -!- wbx [n=wbx@gw.aurisp.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:21 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 20:28 -!- DeeKey [n=denis@84-50-19-129-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #t2 20:28 < DeeKey> Hello! 20:42 < sepp_> hello! 21:16 < kic-> i have a question about Emerge-Pkg -cfg 21:16 < kic-> if i use Emerge-Pkg -cfg config_name 21:17 < kic-> will that emerge the package into my running system, but using the config_name configs for package building, or will it build and emerge that package into the target of -cfg config_name 21:17 < Ragnarin> into the running system 21:17 < kic-> thought so 21:17 < kic-> k 21:17 < kic-> thx 21:34 -!- keinek_ [n=chatzill@201.250.16.187] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007031001]"] 22:01 -!- kic- [n=kicstah@adsl-074-238-088-202.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:01 -!- kic- [n=kicstah@adsl-074-238-088-202.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2 23:23 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]"] 23:52 -!- wbx [n=wbx@xdsl-87-78-110-127.netcologne.de] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Fri Jul 06 00:00:22 2007