T2 IRC Log: 2007-05-18

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--- Log opened Fri May 18 00:00:45 2007
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07:55 < rxr> moin
08:45 < CIA-9> rene * r24105 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (2.18.1 -> 2.18.2)
08:46 < CIA-9> rene * r24106 /trunk/package/gnome2/viking/ (. viking.cache viking.desc): * added viking (0.1.3) - A GPS data editor and topo viewer
08:52 < CIA-9> rene * r24107 /trunk/package/themes/murrine/murrine.desc: * updated murrine (0.52 -> 0.53.1)
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09:20 < sepp_> moin :)
09:20 < rxr> moin sepp_
09:20 < sepp_> hi rxr
09:20 < sepp_> can i install qt and qt4 together?
09:20 < rxr> yes
09:21 < rxr> but I did not yet tested qt4 apps
09:21 < sepp_> it does not clash with QTDIR or so?
09:21 < rxr> and some qt3 apps appear to pick the wrong moc
09:21 < rxr> nope we install them in different dirs
09:21 < rxr> and most (>90%?) qt3 apps still build then
09:21 < sepp_> ok :)
09:21 < rxr> only few crap-a-lke ones pick the wrong "moc"
09:21 < rxr> meta-object-compiler
09:22 < rxr> and I have not tested if qt4 apps find the correct moc, and libs and co
09:22 < sepp_> yeah, i know the language extension thingy
09:22 < rxr> maybe one or another line needs adapting
09:22 < rxr> but qt4 is enabled by default and build for months in the reference tested
09:22 < rxr> adding a real Qt4 app and further fixing is welcome :-)
09:23 < sepp_> ;)
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09:26 < rxr> hi emte
09:26 [Users #t2]
09:26 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ idealm] [ Ragnarin] [ sepp_] [ TobiX ]
09:26 [ CIA-9 ] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz] [ valentin]
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09:36 < tri> re
09:37 < tri> moin moin
09:37 < rxr> moin moin tri
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09:37 < sepp_> hi tri
09:39 < CIA-9> rene * r24108 /trunk/package/develop/mono-basic/ (. mono-basic.cache mono-basic.desc): * added mono-basic (1.2.4) - Visual Basic Compiler and Runtime
09:58 < CIA-9> rene * r24109 /trunk/package/develop/mono-xsp/mono-xsp.desc: * updated mono-xsp (1.2.1 -> 1.2.4)
09:59 < CIA-9> rene * r24110 /trunk/package/develop/mono/mono.desc: * updated mono (1.2.3.1 -> 1.2.4)
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11:13 < rxr> http://www.playogg.org/
11:14 < CIA-9> rene * r24112 /trunk/package/emulators/libspectrum/libspectrum.desc: * updated libspectrum (0.3.0 -> 0.3.0.1)
11:14 < CIA-9> rene * r24113 /trunk/package/emulators/spectemu/spectemu.desc: * updated spectemu (0.94 -> 0.99.3)
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12:46 < tri> cu
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13:01 < babygor> hi all,
13:02 < CIA-9> sebastian * r24114 /trunk/package/graphic/djv/ (. djv.cache djv.conf djv.desc): * added djv (0.6.1) - Imaging software for movie playback, image processing, monitor calibration
13:02 < sepp_> hi babygor
13:05 < rxr> hi babygor
13:05 < rxr> hi d-marc
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13:10 < rxr> sepp: there is a new blender, 2.44 or so, but it did not yet bult on the reference builder, maybe you want to give it a try
13:11 < sepp> ok
13:12 < sepp> they say it is 64bit safe now :p
13:15 < rxr> sepp: did we know about a 64bit problem with the beast before?
13:18 < sepp> yup, it even printed a warning at startup
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13:34 < sepp> ohh well, i dont have py2.5 installed
13:43 < sepp> http://213.54.29.82/foo.jpg :)
13:47 < rxr> your desk ?
13:47 < sepp> yup
13:47 < rxr> self done background picture ?
13:47 < sepp> no, that is somewhere downloaded
13:48 < rxr> guess we should start some t2 screenshot section ;-)
13:54 < Stelz> you told me that a year ago, rxr :P
13:54 < sepp> ;)
13:55 * Stelz :: Desktop [ http://slz.sytes.net/desktop.png ]
13:55 < Stelz> :P
13:56 < rxr> Stelz: the homepage is in a www-t2 SVN, many people could help edit it :-)
13:56 < rxr> but soon it will be online editable ...
13:56 < Stelz> great! :)
13:58 < rxr> is your desk t2 or openbsd ?
13:58 < rxr> ah
13:58 < rxr> there is is
13:58 < rxr> bsd ...
14:08 < Stelz> :>
14:19 < CIA-9> rene * r24115 /trunk/package/python/pyrexc/pyrexc.desc: * updated pyrexc (0.9.5 -> 0.9.5.1a)
15:13 < CIA-9> rene * r24116 /trunk/package/multimedia/tvtime/linux-header.patch: * fixed tvtime for latest linux-header
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15:59 < rxr> LinuxTag nimmt Stellung zur Schirmherrschaft Sch?ubles
16:00 < rxr> http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/de/home/news/newsitem/article/stellungnahme-zur-schirmherrschaft.html
16:18 < sepp> they are young and need the money
16:29 * rxr doubts there is money involved ...
16:29 * rxr hates the damn crappy x86 SIMD exteions
16:30 * rxr wishes more of his customers would choose something saner than i386
16:30 < sepp> :)
16:30 < rxr> shuffling the damn limited instructions until they match the algorithm and still not beeing as fast as stright away Altivec etc. is really no fun
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16:44 < rxr> hi keinek
16:44 < keinek> hi rxr
16:44 < keinek> :)
16:45 < CIA-9> rene * r24117 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed/sylpheed.desc: * updated sylpheed (2.4.1 -> 2.4.2)
16:48 < CIA-9> rene * r24118 /trunk/package/mips/arcboot/arcboot.desc: * updated arcboot (0.3.8.7 -> 0.3.8.8)
16:48 < rxr> puh, below 250 mails in my t2-update foler
16:48 < rxr> folder
16:50 < CIA-9> rene * r24119 /trunk/package/develop/mono-doc/mono-doc.desc: * updated mono-doc (1.2.3 -> 1.2.4)
16:54 < CIA-9> rene * r24120 /trunk/package/develop/mod_mono/mod_mono.desc: * updated mod_mono (1.2.1 -> 1.2.4)
16:55 < babygor> quick question folks,
16:55 < babygor> any advice for a HD install of a t-resc 0.5?
16:56 < babygor> just a copy?
16:58 < rxr> rsync -ax ...
16:59 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/t2.install.exceptional.html#t2.install.1:1.rsync
16:59 < rxr> however if you want to run it as a router and not modify too much you could copy the file content of the CD, that is the kernel, initrd, loader and the live.squash to the HD
16:59 < rxr> then you can run the compressed form from HD as you do from CD
17:00 < rxr> you can add a live-rw.ext2 (or whatever you prefer) as rw overlay on top
17:00 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/targets/live/overlays.html
17:01 < babygor> oh, last one seems very tempting. I guess I can even turn the hdd off if I don't need a rw filesystem.
17:01 < babygor> thanks!
17:14 < rxr> you're welcome
17:15 < rxr> babygor: are you on this map already? http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
17:29 < babygor> yep, i am the one in Cordoba, Argentina: pdinoto
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17:56 < rxr> cool
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18:16 < babygor> rxr, one quick question...
18:16 < babygor> I see the /init script tries to find the live.squash file in all block devices
18:16 < babygor> but skips non removable ones. Is that the idea?
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18:17 < misl> hi folks
18:18 < rxr> babygor: oh, the last t-resc was probably built with that "feature"
18:18 < rxr> the one-liner that skips "un-removeable" devices was removed some weeks ago, because people demanded running the live boot code on fixed disks
18:18 < rxr> apparently the last t-resc has the one-liner that skips the removable == 0 devices
18:19 < rxr> you can repack the initrd with the one line from the /init removed
18:19 < rxr> do you know how to unpack and repack the initramfs-based initrd?
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18:26 < babygor> yep... in fact I was just doing that. :)
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19:04 < babygor> another quick question: after init has found the live.squash fs and mounted it,
19:05 < babygor> control goes to init2. It checks for live-*.* filesystems.
19:05 < babygor> But then there is a recursive copy of all kernel modules. Why is that?
19:06 < babygor> (I happen to put a small filesystem, and it got filled by modules because of the overlay)
19:06 < rxr> this is a space optimization we added later on
19:07 < rxr> without that the kernel modules would be in the initrd and the compressed filesystem
19:07 < rxr> increasing especially the size of the tiny t-resc notiable
19:07 < rxr> noticable
19:07 < rxr> thus we traded some RAM for .iso size
19:07 < rxr> this code to remove the modules is not yet in t2/trunk and only used for the t-resc and discussed
19:08 < rxr> when building own .iso images this might become a CONFIG option to optimize the .iso for size or not
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19:08 < rxr> this recusive copy in the t-resc you have should already check if the files exist and only increase ram size if the rootfs does not have the kernel modules in question
19:17 < babygor> I see.
19:18 < babygor> Not a big deal in this case. Just I did not quite understood why. Tks!
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19:24 < Ragnarin> moin moin
19:28 < CIA-9> rene * r24121 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.21 -> 2.6.21.1)
19:30 < Ragnarin> o_o
19:30 < Ragnarin> already?
19:31 < rxr> moin Ragnarin
19:31 < Ragnarin> moin rene
19:31 < Ragnarin> how's it going
19:31 < Ragnarin> ?
19:37 < rxr> oh good, thanks, and self ?
19:43 < Ragnarin> fine here thanks :)
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