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05:45 < babygor> Hello!
05:46 < babygor> I am building t-resc from svn and get a build error in util-linux:
05:46 < babygor> > mkfs.c: In function 'main':
05:46 < babygor> > mkfs.c:46: error: 'LC_ALL' undeclared (first use in this function)
05:47 < babygor> > mkfs.c:46: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
05:47 < babygor> I will enable xtrace to have more info.
05:47 < babygor> Would appreciate any hints meanwhile...
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06:14 < babygor> well... xtrace does not help me much this time.
06:14 < babygor> need some t2-build-system guru to take a look at
06:14 < babygor> http://rafb.net/p/Pvgnrb66.html
06:15 < babygor> TIA!
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08:19 < rxr> re
08:19 < rxr> hi 
08:19 < rxr> babygor: yes ?
08:20 < rxr> hm - I saw this in the past - guess I have to take a look
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08:55 < sepp> moin :)
08:56 < rxr> moin sepp 
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08:56 < sepp> hi rxr 
08:56 < sepp> latest e17 snapshot i updated locally to is not that stable ...
08:57 < CIA-9> lars * r23990 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/50-udev.rules: 
08:57 < CIA-9> * Two syntax-fixes in udev-rules:
08:57 < CIA-9>  * %e --> %n
08:57 < CIA-9>  * $modalias --> $env{MODALIAS}
08:59 < rxr> sepp: :-(
08:59 < rxr> did I mention I'll migrate our inhouse stuff from Evas -> Agg ?
08:59 < sepp> yup
09:03 < CIA-9> rene * r23991 /trunk/package/audio/ardour/ardour.desc: * updated ardour (2.0 -> 2.0.1)
09:10 < sepp> but e17 is using freedesktop XDG stuff now, i guess if you have gnome or kde you will have the same menu
09:19 < rxr> :-)
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10:25 < write_erase> hi 
10:26 < write_erase> rxr, I could compile mplayer & run it on my NGW100.... 
10:28 < rxr> with T2 i guess ?
10:29 < rxr> do you already have a display on the board or vga output ?
10:32 < write_erase> rxr, no vga display at the moment ... 
10:32 < write_erase> neither LCD ... 
10:32 < write_erase> I'll order all the required components today 
10:34 < write_erase> It was amazing mplayer decoding mp3 eats almost no CPU (although I had no dsp device) 
10:35 < write_erase> What's the STK1000 Audio outpout ? AC97 or internal Audio DAC ? 
10:38 < sepp> finally i found a notebook worth buying -> http://www.golem.de/0705/52192.html - only 8kg, i guess it comes with 4 wheels in the box
10:41 < rxr> sepp: muhahaha
10:42 < rxr> I hope you have a driving license for it
10:44 < sepp> lol
10:45  * rxr hoping the romoured apple subnotebook with just flash comes out this year and is useable
10:47 < sepp> next chance for apple do develop unusable keyboards :)
10:50 < rxr> in fact the keyboard is the nearly only thing that's good on the MacBook
10:50 < sepp> i find that very weird
10:51 < sepp> the keyboard ...
11:02 < CIA-9> rene * r23992 /trunk/package/gnustep/gorm/gorm.desc: * updated gorm (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1)
11:15 < rxr> http://www.who-t.net/publications/hutterer2004_watchreplacement.pdf
11:15 < rxr> ^-accidently found it iwth google
11:20 < rxr> btw. anyone with palm experience here?
11:54 < CIA-9> rene * r23993 /trunk/package/graphic/greycstoration/greycstoration.desc: * fixed greystoration Author mail address and License tag
12:19 < sepp> :)
12:19 < sepp> no silly obfuscated addresses in mail tags?
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13:15 < rxr> sepp: yes, our web rendered mangles them anyway
13:15 < rxr> but I mostly wanted to fixed the license tag as it is not GPL
13:15 < rxr> btw. I run a testbuild with gcc-4.2
13:17 < sepp> yeah saw that, some idiot put a LICENSE file in the tarball that states it is gpl (well, the gimp plugin but not greycstoration)
13:17 < rxr> there is a new greystoration version
13:17 < rxr> but it needs the ugly cimg
13:18 < rxr> I'm always tempted to update greystoration every time it scrolls by on freshmeat, but this cimg thing always stops me ...
13:18 < rxr> do you use the plugin ?
13:19 < sepp> yes, that is a very nice plugin
13:19 < rxr> heh - maybe you want to mess with the cimg for an update then ;-)
13:20 < rxr> http://www.greyc.unicaen.fr/~dtschump/greycstoration/index.html
13:21 < sepp> it is very good at removing sensor noise and such things
13:21 < sepp> but very slow ...
13:23 < sepp> but the examples at the website are dumb, it is much better :)
13:25 < rxr> yes, I saw the original docu from this france lab
13:25 < rxr> with removing jail bars of zoo pets and the like
13:25 < sepp> well, that is the original thing with a crappy tk gui
13:27 < sepp> now it also has a gimp plugin, hmm will check if that is the same or something new ...
13:28 < rxr> ah ok
13:29 < rxr> == 13:14:23 =[1]=> Building base/gcc [4.2.0-20070501 7.0-trunk].
13:29 < rxr> == 05/10/07 13:26:41 =[1]=> Finished building package gcc.
13:29 < sepp> :)
13:30  * rxr back later
13:30 < sepp> cu later 
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16:19 < tri> hi
16:20 < Stelz> rehi tri 
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16:20 < tri> does t2 support a encrypted root file system
16:21 < sepp> not "out of the box"
16:22 < sepp> but the needed software is there, just needs someone to add things to the initrd ...
16:22 < sepp> gpg and such
16:24 < tri> i know the "arch" way
16:24 < tri> they use http://wiki.archlinux.de/?title=Mkinitcpio
16:25 < tri> to build the image
16:26 < tri> how about the community "around" t2. i know there is a mailinglist and irc but is there also a wiki; forum etc like in other distributions ?
16:27 < rxr> re
16:27 < tri> wb
16:27 < sepp> no forum
16:27 < rxr> wikis and tests here and there
16:27 < rxr> but non permananent so far
16:29 < tri> how about "configuration" t2 - is there a rc.conf or how is this done in t2 ?
16:30 < rxr> rc.conf?
16:31 < rxr> in t2 all the usual stuff is configured in their usual files
16:31 < rxr> a config framework using this original files is provided, called stone
16:31 < rxr> what exactly do you mean with rc.conf ?
16:32 < tri> where to set the timezone or the default keymap etc
16:32 < rxr> ok, as there is no general upstream config for those,
16:32 < rxr> we have single files in /etc/conf/
16:33 < rxr> like: console, kbd, netowrk, clock, ...
16:33 < rxr> # cat /etc/conf/clock 
16:33 < rxr> clock_tz=utc
16:33 < rxr> clock_rtc=64
16:34 < rxr> but this is for sysvinit
16:34 < rxr> with runit or minit (which you can include in your custom t2 build if you like) this might differ
16:34 < rxr> (I do not know all of those init's and their startup config off-hand)
16:35 < tri> a i see :-)
16:35 < tri> what about the runlevel scripts
16:36 < rxr> what do you want to know specifically?
16:36 < tri> can i choose for example upstart
16:36 < rxr> well in theory
16:37 < rxr> we already have an upstart package just in case
16:37 < rxr> but as in the past we already supported runit, minit et al. before the ubuntu folks needed to invent yet another thing we do not generate a default config and init scripts for upstart yet
16:37 < rxr> but this could and should be done
16:37 < rxr> so far noone appeared to be intersted in upstart and be happy with runit, minit et al.
16:38 < tri> just asking :-)
16:38 < tri> not sure if i will use it
16:38 < rxr> but the thing is T2 is about this flexibility
16:38 < rxr> alternative C libraries, init scripts, even kernel soon (Minix3, BSD, ...)
16:38 < rxr> T2 is very modular and flexible
16:38 < tri> you say the init scripts are generated automaticly ?
16:39 < rxr> yes
16:39 < rxr> but the current init template mechanism was designed 5 years ago or so
16:39 < tri> hm that is much nicer then in all the other distributions i know
16:39 < rxr> it needs an overhoul to be as flexible as need to generate good runit, minit and upstart scripts
16:39 < rxr> so far it is modelled too much after the sysv init ...
16:40 < tri> another topic: is utf8 supported ?
16:40 < rxr> sure, why not ?
16:40 < rxr> you mean for applications and such, of course
16:40 < tri> aren't there patches for a lot of applications needed ?
16:41 < tri> to work with utf8
16:43 < tri> do you add special patches to the packages to fit for t2 like gentoo, arch etc. do ?
16:44 < sepp> not without good reason like does not build without
16:45 < rxr> yes, t2 is about shipping vanilla software by default
16:45 < rxr> if someone wants branding and feature patching or reductino this can be done isolated in so called t2 "targets"
16:45 < tri> so no problem with joerg :-)
16:45 < rxr> joerg schilly ?
16:46 < rxr> well - we happily have cdrkit :-)))
16:46 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/t2.basics.layout.html
16:47 < rxr> though we optionally still have cdrtools, likewise
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16:48 < CIA-9> rene * r23995 /trunk/package/filesystem/parted/parted.desc: * updated parted (1.8.6 -> 1.8.7)
16:48 < CIA-9> rene * r23996 /trunk/package/base/multitail/multitail.desc: * updated multitail (5.0.2 -> 5.0.3)
16:48 < CIA-9> rene * r23997 /trunk/package/scientific/maxima/maxima.desc: * updated maxima (5.11.0 -> 5.12.0)
16:48 < CIA-9> rene * r23998 /trunk/package/scientific/wxmaxima/wxmaxima.desc: * updated wxmaxima (0.7.1 -> 0.7.2)
16:48 < tri> just joking about joerg - so to add a special patch i just create my own target
16:49 < tri> is there a "enduser" distribution with is on top of t2 ?
16:50 < rxr> we prebuild various version from minimal-classic-text-installer, over livecd or rescue-live
16:50 < rxr> our livecd works from usb stick and co, as well
16:50 < rxr> also others use T2
16:50 < rxr> for example PuppyOS since version 2.10 or Archivista Scan-Appliance
16:50 < rxr> our company mostly designes embedded sollutions for companies
16:51 < tri> so is t2 more a company project ?
16:51 < rxr> so there is T2 even running in CarrierGrade appliances, industrial networked light and temperature controls, info termianls and so on and so on
16:51 < rxr> for each we a custom in-house T2 target
16:51 < rxr> no T2 is open-source, community and GPL
16:52 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
16:52 < rxr> ^- includes world map
16:52 < rxr> though frappr is buggy and the HTML view has not all pins of the flash view - sigh :-)(
16:52 < rxr> http://www.frappr.com/t2
16:52 < rxr> ^- to see them all
16:53 < CIA-9> rene * r23999 /trunk/package/python/itools/itools.desc: * updated itools (0.15.3 -> 0.15.4)
16:55 < tri> is the available package always the stable version of the application or how is this done ? for example if i want to use the cvs version from e17 can i use the package which is provided by t2 or do i have to build my own package ?
16:55 < rxr> for e17 we use cvs checkouts anyway
16:55 < Dallur> rxr: is it ok if I ask you a quick question regarding the geode lx display driver ?
16:55 < rxr> so you could just update locally to a newer version
16:56 < tri> hm ok e17 but example :-)
16:56 < rxr> Dallur: sure
16:56 < rxr> tri: in you want this permanently you can define your own versions in your target
16:56 < rxr> say you have some special-whatever you have target/special-whatever and then can create an own package repository overlay in there
16:56 < Dallur> rxr: How are different resolutions handled, is there a pre-defined set of resolutions handled in hardware or does the driver publish a list of supported resolutions ?
16:57 < rxr> like target/special-whatever/package/evas/ and overwrite the Version and Download tag in it ...
16:57 < rxr> Dallur: a good driver should query the resolutions of the display via DDC (Display Data Channel)
16:57 < rxr> but the last time I checked the LX driver was not able to retrieve it from my display
16:57 < tri> i'm off for a few minutes...
16:57 < rxr> tri: cu
16:58 < Dallur> rxr: I have seen some things in the log for xorg regarding probing for resolutions, but I did not quite know what ot make of it
16:58 < rxr> ah, the X server has more modes
16:58 < rxr> a mode-"db"
16:58 < rxr> you probably see many in the log that where rejected due to too low display-specs
16:58 < Dallur> rxr: ok, but only a few of them are actually supported by the display
16:58 < rxr> that is fine, as long it is not a mode you want to use
16:59 < Dallur> rxr: I C
16:59 < rxr> Dallur: I just rechecked the LX driver has some DDC code lines
16:59 < rxr> but I fear they do not work perfectly
17:00 < rxr> Dallur: do you have a concrete problem or just wondered about the modes in the log rejecte from the X-server / driver on startup ?
17:00 < Dallur> rxr: the reason I ask is that the guys I'm doing this project for opted to use an analogue 480x270 panel with a analogue to digital converter
17:01 < Dallur> rxr: so vga out converted back to digital for the panel, ,, so I can use other resolutions and they are scaled in hardware but it always looks a bit off not having the native resolution of the lcd panel even if the signal is digital-analogue-digital
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17:01 < CIA-9> rene * r24000 /trunk/package/graphic/asymptote/asymptote.desc: * updated asymptote (1.27 -> 1.28)
17:01 < rxr> Dallur: and now you wonder if it will work ?=
17:01 < Dallur> rxr: yup
17:02 < Dallur> rxr: or if there is any way to get other 16/9 resolutions, at least having the scale right would help
17:02 < rxr> well - such a low resolution should work
17:03 < rxr> though I can not garuantee, I would have to look for hardware limilations
17:03 < rxr> but I think it should workd fine
17:03 < rxr> work fine
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17:03 < rxr> though I would prefer a digital connection for a "product" as any conversion introduces new artefacts and noise
17:04 < Dallur> rxr: yeah, I know, I have tried to tell them to go all digital but the cost difference is apparently huge
17:04 < rxr> interesting
17:04 < rxr> well - analog at such a low resolution should not be a problem
17:04 < Dallur> rxr: yeah, if the resolutions match it should be ok
17:05 < Dallur> rxr: thanks a bunch for the info
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17:05 < rxr> you'r welcome :-)
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17:07 < tri> re
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17:08 < tri> how to start with t2 - try the livecd iso ? and can i build t2 for my hardware from the livecd iso ?
17:09 < rxr> the last full livecd still had no installer
17:09 < rxr> while an advanced user could install it via rsync or so :-(
17:09 < rxr> that livecd could however be used to rebuild t2
17:09 < rxr> but you even can bulid your t2 on most other linux versions
17:10 < rxr> nServ] [ Capey ] [ keinek] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz] [ valentin] 
17:10 < rxr> err
17:10 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/documentation/buildintro.html
17:11 < tri> who updates the packages all the time - only you or is there something like a package maintainer ?
17:11 < rxr> many different package maintainers
17:12 < rxr> a bit over 20 people have write access to the SVN
17:12 < rxr> new contributors are very much welcome
17:12 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/ChangeLog-t2
17:17 < tri> how can i configure how to build software
17:17 < tri> for example i want gaim with silc support
17:17 < tri> if i got it right i need my own target
17:17 < tri> and there a overlay for gaim
17:17 < rxr> the packages usually enable and disable support with the package selection automatically
17:17 < rxr> I do not only mean the configure as it, but the t2 packages help, as some configures default to yes or no, no matter if it is available
17:18 < tri> ??hop?? how is this done - sounds like magic
17:18 < rxr> some t2 packages also wire options out asn scripts/Config options so it can be selected in the kernel a-like menuconfig
17:18 < rxr> tri: no magic, just help in the package's .conf file like:
17:18 < rxr> pkginstalled apache && var_append confopt ' ' '--enable-apache-whatever'
17:18 < rxr> and the like
17:19 < rxr> if all of this is not enough, you can do additional stuff in your target
17:19 < Capey> hmm, the target package override needs some additional changes
17:19 < rxr> hey Capey 
17:19 < Capey> hi rxr
17:19 < tri> hi Capey
17:19 < rxr> Capey: what point exactly, I know of one remaining bug, do you know more ?
17:19 < Capey> hi tri
17:20 < Capey> rxr: it seems that it copies/needs the tarball from the normal package tree version
17:20 < rxr> yes, that is the bug I know about
17:20 < CIA-9> rene * r24001 /trunk/package/archiver/zip/ (zip.conf zip.desc): 
17:20 < CIA-9> * fixed zip to install properly during cross builds, and marked it to
17:20 < CIA-9>  CROSS compile
17:20 < CIA-9> * marked zip for stage 1 as it is required by gcc-4.2's Java support
17:21 < Capey> ah
17:21 < rxr> I can try to hunt it down right now
17:21 < rxr> I know one more bug
17:21 < rxr> but it is realted to just the linux package
17:21 < rxr> our linux package has a patch filter
17:21 < Capey> kernel config system?
17:21 < rxr> this is used to "sed" the version patch out of patches to they usually applay on top way better
17:21 < rxr> with this filter the build does not abort if a patch file is missing
17:21 < rxr> but it should
17:22 < rxr> so currently a kernel might build, but downloaded patch might not have got applied
17:22 < rxr> i just noticed this yesterday accidently in combination with the former bug that the overlay currently matches all [D] tags
17:22 < rxr> oh and I already found out why
17:22 < rxr> I just remeber
17:22 < rxr> the match_source_file function is still buggy
17:23 < rxr> I fixed it to stop on the first match, in fact it must stop to look for D tags at the first D tag in a file
17:23 < rxr> I fix in a second
17:23 < rxr> Capey: how is your wrt2 work going ?
17:23 < CIA-9> rene * r24002 /trunk/package/contrib/kazehakase/kazehakase.desc: * updated kazehakase (0.4.5 -> 0.4.6)
17:26 < Capey> rxr: not great, still some packages that need some fixing and need to check out the kernel build system since it builds some modules that i think i havent enabled, thus the kernel build is quite large
17:27 < Capey> but then again i have done some extra hours at work and havent had so much of fixing time as i hoped
17:28 < tri> what is the wrt2 target for ?
17:28 < rxr> linksys etc. access points
17:28 < rxr> T2 is cross compile capable and includes uclibc / dietlibc
17:29 < rxr> the exact base for such software development
17:29 < tri> does it make sence to make a own target for my vision box s100
17:29 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/targets/wrt2.html
17:29  * rxr googing what it is
17:29 < rxr> tri: you are from .de ?
17:30 < tri> yes
17:30 < rxr> tri: nice, /me too
17:30 < tri> you allready know it from my good english :-)
17:30 < rxr> tri: no idea how hard it is to get an custom linux on that box
17:31 < tri> not very hard it is a normal i386 cpu with standard hardware
17:31 < rxr> oh!
17:31 < rxr> well - than I would say makes sense: go go go :-)
17:31 < tri> but i try it - might be a good project to learn more about t2
17:31 < tri> it sound's really interessting
17:32 < rxr> yes
17:32 < rxr> make sure you communicate patches on the mailing list early
17:32 < rxr> a you can get tips and the work is saved for the public
17:34 < tri> ok thx you for your time - i try to play with t2 now :-)
17:35 < rxr> CPU: Intel Celeron 733 MHz
17:35 < rxr>  Grafikkarte: Intel 830M
17:35 < rxr>  Flash Memory: 32 MB DOM
17:35 < rxr>  SDRAM: 128 MB SDRAM
17:35 < tri> and 30 € at ebay
17:35 < tri> and a pcii slot in some devices
17:35 < rxr> lol
17:35 < tri> + usb
17:36 < tri> very nice from telekom to sponsor that
17:36 < rxr> "Auf der Kiste ist wohl ein Windows XP CE."
17:36 < tri> cu
17:37 < rxr> "Als OS ist da sehr wohl Windows CE 5.0 drauf. Steht in Handbuch dazu."
17:37 < rxr> interesting
17:37 < rxr> did not know this box so far
17:37 < rxr> "Das Problem wird sein, da? das Teil kein normales PC-BIOS hat, sondern Windows CE gleich aus einem Flash-Rom bootet."
17:37 < rxr> ^- hm, ...
17:38 < tri> it is included in a dsl package from the telekom and most people just need the wlan router from this package so it is very cheap on ebay
17:39 < tri> rxr: http://wiki.freifunk-hannover.de/T-Online_S_100
17:40 < rxr> nice
17:40 < tri> ok i must go now :-)
17:40 < rxr> cu
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17:47 < CIA-9> susan * r24004 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdl/gdl.desc: * updated gdl (0.7.3 -> 0.7.5)
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17:50 < CIA-9> susan * r24006 /trunk/package/gnome2/glib/glib.desc: * updated meta-information
17:58 < rxr> valentin: missedd that in the old co-processor times: http://www.cpu-collection.de/?l0=co&l1=Weitek&l2=386%20FPU
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18:28 < misl> hi folks
18:29 < rxr> hi misl 
18:30 < misl> hi rxr
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18:39 < CIA-9> rene * r24008 /trunk/scripts/Download: 
18:39 < CIA-9> * re-allow -mirror none in the Download scripts (disabled before
18:39 < CIA-9>  T2 SVN r1 for historic reasons at ROCK times), it was even still
18:39 < CIA-9>  documented in the official handbook all the time
18:56 < R4gnar0k> moin moin
18:56 < rxr> moin moin R4gnar0k 
18:56 < R4gnar0k> hey rene how's it going?
18:56 < rxr> so far so goo
18:56 < rxr> d
18:57 < rxr> despite we wasted white some time in the usual institutes to order new traveling passes ...
18:57 < rxr> but work, t2 and handbook are comming along quite fine :-)
18:57 < rxr> and you 
18:57 < rxr> ?
18:57 < R4gnar0k> I'm ok ... sweaty lol
18:58 < R4gnar0k> went to work by bike for the first time this year
18:58 < rxr> :-)
18:58 < rxr> in berlin it's currently a bit windy and rainy
18:58 < R4gnar0k> ah
18:59 < Stelz> rainage \o/
18:59 < R4gnar0k> well we got some unusually hot weather for may
18:59 < Stelz> we have the same here, rxr :-)
18:59 < R4gnar0k> so enjoying it before june gloom sets in
18:59 < rxr> yep, before some days/weeks of April / May where unusul hot here as well
19:00 < Stelz> uh, moin R4gnar0k :)
19:00 < rxr> I think the hottest whether in April or so since 195x or some newsreader said on raido
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19:02 < rxr> rehi tri 
19:03 < tri> re
19:06 < R4gnar0k> oh ok lol
19:06 < R4gnar0k> hey Stelz 
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19:11 < rxr> oh, past r24000
19:12 < rxr> 2900 packages, soon, hm ?
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19:15 < R4gnar0k> lol
19:15  * R4gnar0k contemplates adding planeshift :)
19:18 < CIA-9> rene * r24010 /trunk/package/perl/perl/gcc42.patch: * imported perl patch for gcc-4.2 (from their RCS)
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19:18 < rxr> R4gnar0k: looks nice, open source ?
19:19 < R4gnar0k> yea
19:19 < R4gnar0k> well the code is
19:19 < R4gnar0k> the artwork isn't :/
19:19 < rxr> oh
19:19 < rxr> but free to distribute for personal use or so ?
19:20 < R4gnar0k> you can distribute it, but can only use their artwork on their server ...
19:20  * rxr do I understand this?
19:21 < rxr> is the artwork fetched on demand or can't we mirror it ?
19:21 < R4gnar0k> they don't want someone to set up a server with the same feeling and scenario as thiers
19:21 < R4gnar0k> theirs*
19:21 < R4gnar0k> we can mirror it afaik
19:22 < rxr> gogogo :_)
19:22 < R4gnar0k> lol
19:22 < R4gnar0k> how do I build a package with more then one ingredient? it requires CS and CEL with a certain version
19:23 < rxr> two tarballs to ./configure;make;make install ?
19:23 < R4gnar0k> both with different configure lines
19:23 < rxr> [SRC] .
19:23 < R4gnar0k> yea except it uses jam not make
19:23 < rxr> ok, the different cnofigure lines are not as easy right now
19:23 < rxr> different patches are just patch.$xsrcwtarball
19:24 < rxr> like hack.patch.libciv and hack.patch.civ
19:24 < R4gnar0k> yea ok
19:24 < rxr> right now you would need some code that injects confopts depending on the xsrctar
19:24 < R4gnar0k> ok could make seperate packages
19:25 < rxr> you could hack this in the postmake
19:25 < rxr> hook_add postmake 5 "exchange_confopt_for_tar2"
19:25 < rxr> that should do it
19:25 < rxr> (I think)
19:26 < rxr> some packages already do this or slightly different
19:26 < rxr> ok - so, I'll leave soon
19:26 < rxr> and take some bugs to fix on-my-way
19:26 < R4gnar0k> ok :)
19:26 < R4gnar0k> btw what's with kde?
19:27 < rxr> 1: match_source_file bug with multiple injerit [D]'s
19:27 < rxr> 2: linux26 not abort in the patch_filter thing if the file does not exist
19:27 < R4gnar0k> o_o
19:28 < rxr> 3: we need to have s system shared object of the udev libvolume whateer that was even if we build the main udev parts with dietlibc as latest hal versions need this likb ...
19:28 < rxr> lib even
19:28 < rxr> R4gnar0k: kde what ?
19:28 < rxr> new version out that I missed ?
19:28 < R4gnar0k> no it just didn't build recently
19:28 < rxr> oh, usually does here :-)
19:29 < R4gnar0k> hm >.<
19:29 < rxr> it's my main desktop environment of choice
19:29 < rxr> run k apps all over my desktop
19:29 < rxr> what thing does not build?
19:29 < rxr> trunk I guess ?
19:29 < rxr> which arch which fancy opts ?
19:29 < R4gnar0k> yea
19:29 < rxr> which target, ... ?
19:29 < R4gnar0k> addressbook.h:29:23: error: addressee.h: No such file or directory
19:29 < R4gnar0k> was the last error
19:30 < rxr> oeh, aha
19:30 < rxr> never encountered such a thing
19:30 < rxr> lars just build a trunk ppc cd, he only screamed about other regressions where most are already fixed
19:30 < R4gnar0k> hm o_o
19:30 < rxr> strange strange
19:30 < R4gnar0k> yea
19:30 < rxr> which package is that?
19:30 < rxr> kdepim ?
19:30 < R4gnar0k> kdelibs
19:31 < rxr> heh, kdelibs definetly did not fail for me in the last months++ :-)
19:31 < rxr> very very interesting
19:31 < R4gnar0k> I'll try again ... maybe damaged dl ...
19:31 < rxr> somehow I have a dejavu, did we talk about that already ?
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19:31 < R4gnar0k> no? o_o
19:32 < rxr> grepping the irc logs did not reveal something
19:32 < R4gnar0k> lol
19:33 < LMJ> déjà vu ;)
19:34 < R4gnar0k> blah ... also needs CG
19:35 < rxr> 4: I should regtest and commit the ps3 uclibc related fl_wrapper libc detection sometime soon
19:35 < rxr> ah - damn my TODO is so long
19:35 < rxr> over 200 tasks in my KDE Basket
19:36 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/basket.html
19:36 < R4gnar0k> lol
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19:52 < write_erase> rxr, Now I have a nice rootfs and working binaries... Can I try to boot my NGW100 from SD Card ? 
19:52 < rxr> sure, however I'm just about to sprint out of the office
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19:54 < write_erase> rxr, We'll see that later , then 
19:56 < rxr> well - tomorrow
19:57 < rxr> with 14h++ workdays I usually work off-line at home :-)
19:57 < rxr> which also helps to re-focus on certain tasks
19:59 < rxr> workhours
19:59 < rxr> so - cu then
19:59 < rxr> have luck with your new avr32 rootfs
19:59 < rxr> I cross my fingers
19:59 < rxr> just drop me a mail or hunt for me tomorrow if you run into n issue or have a questions
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20:00 < write_erase> thx
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