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08:42 < misl> hi folks
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09:49 < rxr> mon
09:50 < rxr> moin even,  :-)
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09:56 < CIA-20> rene * r23833 /trunk/package/filesystem/fuse/fuse.desc: * updated fuse (2.6.3 -> 2.6.4)
09:58 < rxr> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/26/microsoft_default_phenomenon/
10:02 < CIA-20> rene * r23834 /trunk/package/gnustep/gorm/gorm.desc: * updated gorm (1.0.8 -> 1.2.0)
10:03 < CIA-20> rene * r23835 /trunk/package/x11/afterstep/afterstep.desc: * updated afterstep (2.2.4 -> 2.2.5)
10:06 < CIA-20> rene * r23836 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: 
10:06 < CIA-20> * enhanced match_source_file to not perform the bz2filename
10:06 < CIA-20>  translation if a new '-n' argument is passed, updated
10:06 < CIA-20>  documentation, argument parser and copyright year
10:07 < CIA-20> rene * r23837 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: 
10:07 < CIA-20> * fixed ooo to not hardcode some (that is even not all) files to be
10:07 < CIA-20>  unpacked as .gz as the ooo-build system expect them, but decide this
10:07 < CIA-20>  based on the orignal name using the new -n argument of
10:07 < CIA-20>  match_source_file
10:07 < CIA-20> * fixed ooo to disable "nas" support if not available
10:16 < CIA-20> susan * r23838 /trunk/package/gnome2/gmime/gmime.desc: * updated gmime (2.2.6 -> 2.2.8)
10:17 < CIA-20> susan * r23839 /trunk/package/gnome2/goffice/goffice.desc: * updated goffice (0.3.7 -> 0.3.8)
10:17 < CIA-20> susan * r23840 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnumeric/gnumeric.desc: * updated gnumeric (1.7.8 -> 1.7.9)
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10:19 < CIA-20> susan * r23842 /trunk/package/network/nginx/nginx.desc: * updated nginx (0.5.18 -> 0.5.19)
10:19 < sepp> moin :)
10:19 < rxr> hi sepp
10:20 < sepp> hi rxr :)
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10:56 < rxr> moin mtr 
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10:58 < mtr> hi rxr 
10:58 < mtr> and moin btw ;-)
10:59 < rxr> moin moin
10:59 < rxr> 10:06 < CIA-20> rene * r23836 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: 
10:59 < rxr> 10:06 < CIA-20> * enhanced match_source_file to not perform the bz2filename
10:59 < rxr> 10:06 < CIA-20>  translation if a new '-n' argument is passed,
10:59 < rxr> maybe you need this feature some time
10:59 < rxr> added it for the ooo update i'm working on
11:00 < rxr> also yesterday we discussed whether to rename ooo to something people would understand
11:00 < rxr> as openoffice is trademarked and the upstream people must include the .org the only reasonable choice we would be allowed to use is openoffice-org
11:00 < rxr> (.org is a bit ugly as t2 package name)
11:00 < rxr> what do you think?
11:01 < rxr> btw. despite the trademark issue some distributions name their package just "openoffice", e.g. gentoo++
11:01 < rxr> but others have openoffice-org
11:01 < rxr> do you have any preference mtr ?
11:02 < mtr> ooo is not really convenient,
11:03 < rxr> ack
11:05 < mtr> the package matrix contains the more descriptive full name, but I do not know how new users would locate the office package (google?)
11:05 < mtr> openoffice-org would be fine
11:05 < rxr> Either the installer, gasgui
11:06 < rxr> buiding from source using scripts/Find-Pkg
11:06 < rxr> or more advanced users navigate thru package/ directly ...
11:07 < mtr> grep -i openoffice package/*/*/*.desc ?
11:07 < rxr> well, Find-Pkg is encouraged
11:07 < rxr> otherwise echo or ls package/*/whatever comes handy 
11:08 < rxr> I think we should go for openoffice-org
11:08 < rxr> that is most ovious and easy to find
11:08 < rxr> just openoffice would be even better
11:09 < rxr> but I fear whoever owns he openoffice.org trademark sue us
11:09 < rxr> err other way rond
11:09 < rxr> ... owns the OpenOffice trademakr, ....
11:10 < mtr> hmm, really? aren't there other trademarks in the pkg list as well, like java?
11:10 < rxr> but they are for exactly that Sun thing itself
11:10 < rxr> on the openoffice site they explicitly stat in the FAQ that one must reffer to OpenOffice as OpenOffice.org as some other third party
11:10 < rxr> evilly owns the OpenOffice trademark since years
11:11 < rxr> and when they write it as such this trademark holder most probably already tried to get money out of Sun or the OpenOffice project ...
11:12 < mtr> ah ,ic
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11:16 < mtr> but do you think that just the folder name is a misusage of the trademark? the .desc clearly use OpenOffice.org project in the [I] and [T] tags
11:16 < rxr> well other distros use just openoffice a well
11:16 < rxr> maybe we can get away with that
11:17 < rxr> t2-2007-04-27:15:45 < rxr> though gentoo just has app-office/openoffice and app-office/openoffice-bin
11:17 < rxr> t2-2007-04-27:15:46 < rxr> maybe openoffice-org as _org is pretty and .org a bit evil: openoffice.org/openoffice.org.desc, lol...
11:17 < rxr> t2-2007-04-27:15:47 < Stelz> openbsd package is 'openoffice'-named too..
11:18 < rxr> SuSE does use OpenOffice_org-1.1.3-16.1.i586
11:18 < rxr> as RPM name
11:19 < rxr> Fedora: SRPMS/openoffice.org-2.0.1.1-7.1.src.rpm
11:20 < rxr> Debian: Just 'apt-get install openoffice.org'.
11:20 < mtr> Debian seems to use the .org extension
11:22 < mtr> to circumvent this troubles probably openoffice{_,-}org is more appropriate
11:26 < mtr> rxr: match_source_file uses all the package overlay .desc files to locate files in [D] tags,
11:26 < mtr> shouln't it just grep the $confdir one?
11:26 < rxr> the problem is that it can be called from within another package
11:26 < rxr> so it can not use confdir
11:27 < mtr> this causes some troubles with a linux2? overlay package, the patch- file is automatically included
11:27 < rxr> but it should just use the last overlay found
11:27 < rxr> I think I just quickly did it this was as I wanted to have my firt test build finish to see if it works in practise
11:28 < rxr> since this can be called from other package build context we must recode finding the last valid overlay
11:28 < rxr> and yes, this needs to be done there
11:28 < rxr> (in 24bit per pixel my 3D desktop setup even looks more impressive btw.
11:28 < rxr> )
11:29 < mtr> yes, right, so its a linux2x-only problem, the linux-conf.in adds: var_insert patchfiles " " "`match_source_file patch-.*"
11:30 < rxr> nono
11:30 < rxr> this is ok
11:30 < rxr> it is just that the match function should look in just the last overlayable location that is valid in this selection
11:31 < rxr> the reason I could not use $confdir is that some packages call match_source_file with a package name to get the files of other packages (yes that's evil but some crap packages need this)
11:31 < rxr> and for that case we have to relocate the last valid overlay .desc, so the functin need a custom loop
11:31 < rxr> oh and another note
11:32 < rxr> it must not stop on the first valid overlay, but the first valid overlay with a [D] withing
11:32 < rxr> now I rember!
11:32 < rxr> remember even!
11:32 < rxr> I first coded it differently but it caused regressions
11:32 < rxr> because I stopped on the first valid
11:32 < rxr> but often they overlay other stuff and not the [D]
11:33 < rxr> the "[D]" overlayed condition must be checked for as well
11:33 < rxr> do you fix it or should i ?
11:34 < CIA-20> rene * r23844 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: 
11:34 < CIA-20> * wipe the Common preconfiguratons as shipped within the ooo-build,
11:34 < CIA-20>  they just do not match with T2's dynamic package selection
11:34 < CIA-20> * fixed ooo to prefer seamonkey as system mozilla package, as the
11:34 < CIA-20>  firefox case does not appear to be buildable
11:40  * mtr confused
11:41 < rxr> heh, ok I fix this
11:41 < mtr> I think it is impossible to detect which [D] are invalid
11:41 < rxr> do you have a test-case at hand  ?
11:41 < rxr> no, that is 2very simple"
11:41 < mtr> my problem was a linux26 target package overlay
11:42 < rxr> yes, do you have it at hand for testing ?
11:42 < mtr> and the base package patchfile (patch-2.6.20.x) was added to the list of  patchfiles
11:42 < rxr> the [D]s of the first overlay that actually has [D]s are the ones to use
11:43 < mtr> ok ....
11:44  * mtr got it
11:44 < rxr> I fixed and commit in 1 minute
11:45 < mtr> ;-)
11:46 < rxr> do you have that target setup at-hand to test it ?
11:46 < mtr> have to leave again, driving my son to a football match
11:46 < rxr> ah, ok
11:46 < rxr> have fun :-)
11:48 < mtr> thanks :-)
11:48 < mtr> cu
11:48 < rxr> cu
12:21 < CIA-20> rene * r23845 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/ (no-so.patch udev.desc): * updated udev (108 -> 109)
12:31 < CIA-20> rene * r23846 /trunk/package/network/netboot/netboot.desc: * updated netboot (0.10.1 -> 0.10.2)
12:35 < CIA-20> susan * r23847 /trunk/package/security/gsasl/gsasl.desc: * updated gsasl (0.2.13 -> 0.2.16)
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14:00 < CIA-20> rene * r23848 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: 
14:00 < CIA-20> * more ooo firefox vs. seamonkey shuffling while testing
14:00 < CIA-20> * removed gone libart option from ooo, prepared system agg and boost
14:48 < CIA-20> rene * r23849 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: 
14:48 < CIA-20> * neither mozilla a-like ooo option does appear to wanna compile for me
14:48 < CIA-20>  thankfully it appears to build better if the whole cruft is disabled
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15:53 < rxr> puh - ooo is now still building
15:53 < rxr> 12M log so far
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16:21 < rxr> and still building
16:21 < rxr> fine
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17:06 < rxr> 18M
17:26 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Hardware/PS3/
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18:11 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2007-04-28/gentoo-is-sooo-damn-portable/
18:13 < sepp> hmmm, i get "lib-x86_64/dyn_start.o: could not read symbols: Bad value" with udev-109
18:13 < rxr> oh, built on the i386 reference builder
18:14  * rxr testing on the MacBook
18:14 < rxr> had to sort my photos and write about the Gentoo Apple TV news :-)
18:14 < sepp> :)
18:15  * rxr should blog more often - too bad I rather have to work every second these days ...
18:16 < rxr> ooo still building
18:18 < rxr> 22M
18:18 < rxr> ^-> log
18:19 < rxr> sepp: we have to further mangle the udev package anyway, btw
18:19 < rxr> newer hal versions demand a lib*what was it*, libvolume.so or so from udev
18:19 < rxr> which we right now do not built, patch away, due to dietlibc and the initrd
18:20 < rxr> until we have solid, generic, automatic multilib support on our roadmap and in the Google SoC page, we should custom mangle the udev package for now (I think, would vote for now) to build the system libc .so flavour for such packages as hal
18:22 < rxr> sepp: can confirm new udev fails on the macbook as you mentioned, damnit
18:23 < sepp> :/
18:24 < rxr> yeah will fix soon
18:30 < rxr> when even your OS Software Update crashes: http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Hardware/Apple/img_1010.jpg
19:35 < rxr> 28M
19:46 < rxr> ok - gotta go
19:46 < rxr> will fix udev later
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