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08:32 < mtr> moin
08:52 < rxr> moin
08:52 < CIA-18> susan * r23673 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvdrip/dvdrip.desc: * updated dvdrip (0.98.5 -> 0.98.6)
08:53 < CIA-18> susan * r23674 /trunk/package/kde/kdiff3/kdiff3.desc: * updated kdiff3 (0.9.91 -> 0.9.92)
08:53 < CIA-18> susan * r23675 /trunk/package/kde/kaffeine/kaffeine.desc: * updated kaffeine (0.8.3 -> 0.8.4)
09:48 < CIA-18> susan * r23676 /trunk/package/security/gpa/gpa.desc: * updated gpa (0.7.4 -> 0.7.5)
09:51 < CIA-18> rene * r23677 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-nv/xf86-video-nv.desc: * updated xf86-video-nv (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
11:23 < CIA-18> rene * r23678 /trunk/package/filesystem/coda/coda.desc: * updated coda (6.1.2 -> 6.9.1)
11:35 < CIA-18> rene * r23679 /trunk/package/multimedia/libquicktime/libquicktime.desc: * updated libquicktime (0.9.10 -> 1.0.0)
11:57 < CIA-18> rene * r23680 /trunk/target/ (8 files in 5 dirs): 
11:57 < CIA-18> * further seperate technical live implementation details from
11:57 < CIA-18>  usability policies: moved the live user, Desktop files into
11:57 < CIA-18>  the desktop target (e.g. as they are also of no use in e.g.
11:57 < CIA-18>  the T-Rescue)
11:58 < CIA-18> rene * r23681 /trunk/target/share/livecd/rootfs/etc/: * removed now empty live/rootfs/etc
12:27 < mtr> 2007-04-09:
12:27 < mtr> 02:17 < AStorm> embutils failed
12:27 < mtr> 02:18 < AStorm> with 'env.c:20: error: 'environ' undeclared
12:28 < mtr> same error here, didn't we had this long time ago?
12:29 < mtr> s/had/fixed/
12:31 < rxr> not that I remeber
12:31 < rxr> we however could if reasonable
12:32 < mtr> http://osdir.com/ml/t2.devel/2006-08/msg00075.html
12:35 < mtr> hmm, no dietlibc in my pkgsel
12:35 < rxr> that particul case was fixed to select embutils for the initrd to build against dietlibc by default
12:35 < rxr> so the defaults, and e.g. the reference just work
12:35 < mtr> ic
12:37 < mtr> oh, dietlibc does not support superh?
12:37 < mtr> [R] - superh superh64 avr32 blackfin
12:37 < rxr> nope
12:37 < rxr> I always wanted to write support for it ..
12:38 < rxr> you have some superh project ?
12:39 < mtr> yes, I am working with a STx7100, based on a ST40 core
12:40 < rxr> cool
12:42 < mtr> I recently got a prototype board, now I am sorting out the STLinux bits, hoping that I can use T2 instead ;-)
12:45 < rxr> hm - office DSL is stalling again
12:45 < mtr> uClibc 0.9.29-rc1, .29 scheduled this week
12:46 < rxr> oh
12:46 < rxr> I hope they fixed all regresions we encountered with certain SVN snapshots
12:47 < mtr> I've updated locally, and at least it compiles ...
12:48 < rxr> :-)
12:48 < rxr> I'm right now preparing the auto-regression tester
12:48 < rxr> cross compiling various combinations
12:48 < rxr> though with the latest CROSS flag introductions the test runs per combination take quite some time, ...
12:52 < rxr> (as the CROSS flag enables more packages to cross build, now)
12:55 < AStorm> mtr, simple to fix :>
12:55 < AStorm> I've a patch against that.
12:55 < AStorm> I'll post it real soon now
12:55 < mtr> embutils?
12:55 < AStorm> Yep.
12:55 < AStorm> It actually forgot a _GNU_SOURCE define
12:56 < mtr> should use __environ instead of environ, which depends on __GNU_SOURCE
12:56 < AStorm> Which is required for environ to be exported
12:56 < AStorm> no, environ itself is autoexported only on __GNU_SOURCE
12:56 < AStorm> otherwise, you've to extern define it :>
12:56 < AStorm> That's what my POSIX manpages say.
12:57 < AStorm> md5 won't work, you have to turn it off
12:57 < AStorm> (I meant md5sum)
12:57 < AStorm> Because uclibc doesn't have md5.h
13:00 < rxr> re
13:02 < mtr> which md5 does not work, the dietlibc one?
13:02 < rxr> the embutils included one
13:03 < rxr> does not compile with uclibc
13:03 < mtr> oh, yes
13:05 < rxr> if you need dietlibc for sh let me know
13:05 < rxr> I would even write support over some weekend for the fun of it ...
13:05 < rxr> though if some company does want to finance it, ...
13:08 < mtr> ;-)
13:08 < rxr> if only valentins dreamcast would run linux more often ...
13:23 < AStorm> Hmm, guys, I've a technical question
13:23 < AStorm> Is there a language that has powerful macros, partial function application and isn't called Lisp (or Scheme)?
13:25 < AStorm> Being statically typed, esp. with optional duck typing is a major bonus.
13:25 < AStorm> Not depending on a bytecode interpreter or any other interpreter is an additional bonus.
13:26 < rxr> oe, puh
13:27 < AStorm> Those are language names? :P
14:00 < CIA-18> lars * r23682 /trunk/architecture/powerpc/kernel26-disable.lst: 
14:00 < CIA-18> * Added some network driver that do not link to
14:00 < CIA-18>  kernel26-disable.lst.
14:35 < CIA-18> rene * r23683 /trunk/target/desktop/ (config.in pkgsel): 
14:35 < CIA-18> * start reference-livecd polishing:
14:35 < CIA-18>  * enforce livecd in the desktop target
14:35 < CIA-18>  * removed tetex, most e17 and e16 stuff, apmd, umix,
14:35 < CIA-18>  * added digikam* and k3b-i18n
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14:50 < CIA-18> rene * r23684 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/prewikka.desc: * updated prewikka (0.9.8 -> 0.9.10)
14:56 < CIA-18> susan * r23685 /trunk/package/gnome2/gossip/gossip.desc: * updated gossip (0.14 -> 0.23)
14:57 < CIA-18> rene * r23686 /trunk/package/multimedia/xine-lib/xine-lib.desc: * updated xine-lib (1.1.5 -> 1.1.6)
15:07 < CIA-18> mtr * r23687 /trunk/architecture/superh/pkg_linux_post.conf: 
15:07 < CIA-18> * arch superh: create a valid kernel config file before
15:07 < CIA-18>  T2 autoconf() is run (otherwise silentoldconfig hangs)
15:10 < CIA-18> susan * r23688 /trunk/package/gnome2/bug-buddy/bug-buddy.desc: * updated bug-buddy (2.17.4 -> 2.18.1)
15:11 < rxr> mtr: r23687 is not superh specific, is it?
15:12 < CIA-18> mtr * r23689 /trunk/architecture/superh/ (4 files): 
15:12 < CIA-18> * the superh architecture folder changed from sh -> superh,
15:12 < CIA-18>  change the pkg_*.conf path names accordingly
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15:21 < mtr> rxr: not sure about other arch's, but it makes sense for every target board that is supported by a kernel default config
15:23 < rxr> ah ic, it's a feature not a bugfix
15:23 < rxr> all fine
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16:03 < rxr> re
16:03 < rxr> moin emte  and Capey 
16:19 < CIA-18> rene * r23690 /trunk/package/cad/brlcad/brlcad.desc: * updated brlcad (7.8.4 -> 7.10.0)
17:54 < emte> morn
17:58 < mtr> rxr: the full-kernel-modularization makes some troubles, i guess this is true for all custom embedded boards, the no2modconfig in linux-conf.in, what do you think about disabling this automatism with a SDECFG_PKG_LINUX_abcd variable?
18:02 < mtr> rxr: i am thinking about a customisable mkinitrd command, some kind of hook function which can be implemented by a target or architecture specific, and if its not there then /sbin/mkinitrd is called
18:03 < mtr> hi emte 
18:12 < rxr> mtr: we already have this style option
18:12 < rxr> kernel config style
18:13 < rxr> I also already manually hook into a static config for avr32, we definetly should make this case way more easy
18:17 < mtr> SDECFG_PKG_LINUX_CONFIG_STYLE=nomodules should not automatically enable all kernel modules with no2modconfig?
18:19 < rxr> $SDECFG_PKG_LINUX_CONFIG_STYLE == none
18:20 < rxr> I think you want none
18:20 < rxr> nomodules means module support get's disabled
18:21 < mtr> hmm, none does not run auto_conf(), and only copies the $lx_customconfig
18:23 < rxr> avr32 does hack this
18:23 < rxr> # this is a bit evil for now, force our prebuild config
18:23 < rxr> SDECFG_PKG_LINUX_CONFIG_STYLE='none'
18:23 < rxr> lx_customconf="$base/architecture/$arch/kernel.conf"
18:23 < rxr> I'm not happy with the historic kernel config either
18:24 < rxr> I think we should rethink what exactly people need and how it is easiet to bring this to them
18:33 -!- MADze [n=matze@pd9ed04f0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2
18:34 < MADze> good evening
18:34 < mtr> hmm, ok, now we have to put the static kernel config into $targetdir, this has the disadvantage that a user creating a new target has to supply his own kernel.conf and cannot reuse the architecture defaults
18:35 < CIA-18> rene * r23691 /trunk/target/share/livecd/init: 
18:35 < CIA-18> * search on all devives for live media by default, do not
18:35 < CIA-18>  skip non-removable ones anymore (maybe add an option to
18:35 < CIA-18>  add this code later on)
18:35 < rxr> hi MADze 
18:36 < MADze> hey rxr 
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18:38 < mtr> hi misl 
18:38 < mtr> hi MADze 
18:39 < misl> hi folks
18:39 < misl> hi mtr
18:40 < MADze> hey all. 
19:14 < CIA-18> susan * r23692 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.2.13 -> 2.2.14)
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20:01 < rxr> "Whilst Microsoft was bragging about the sales number of their latest OS Windows Vista, few would actually know that they have only managed to sell 244 copies in the whole of China in the first 2 weeks. You heard that right, and that's the number quoted from the headquarters of the Windows Vista chief (90% national volume) distributor in Beijing.
20:01 < rxr> http://slashdot.org/articles/07/04/18/1512216.shtml
20:08 < R4gnar0k> lol
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