T2 IRC Log: 2007-04-06

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--- Log opened Fri Apr 06 00:00:05 2007
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02:10 < axion_> hi
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08:43 < sepp> moin :)
08:49 < AStorm> moin moin sepp
08:50 < AStorm> Any reason I should wait a day before installing fresh new t2 trunk?
08:50 < sepp> hi AStorm
08:50 < sepp> nothing i know of
08:50 < AStorm> Good. And I have to adapt T2 to USB pendrive boot :>
08:51 < AStorm> Maybe slowly add support for "architecture tags" or something like that
08:52 < AStorm> Maybe hack the dep system, so that it will check collisions and won't cry on overwriting the same file with the same :>
08:53 < AStorm> I could create separate /{,usr/}{bin,sbin,lib} for each arch
08:53 < AStorm> But not /etc or /usr/share
08:53 < AStorm> that would rule
08:53 < AStorm> Just some eprefix hacking in the majority of cases
08:54 < AStorm> and arch tags for dependency tracking.
08:59 < sepp> if it is full moon my usb pendrive behaves like a hdd and boots like one
08:59 < AStorm> Well, mine does that even normally :>
08:59 < sepp> so what is left to adapt?
09:00 < AStorm> The only problem I forsee is that booting will have to use various initramfses to union-mount the various bin/libdirs
09:00 < AStorm> Or maybe not..
09:00 < AStorm> maybe just change the path :P
09:01 < AStorm> The basic pendrive system does work, but I want to extend it to support multiple archs at once
09:01 < AStorm> w/o full chroots - just executables and libs, much like multilib is done
09:04 < AStorm> This needs changing the dep system :>
09:04 < AStorm> I'll also have to do some mount hacking in the initramfs - so that it doesn't beat the pendrive to death with compiling
09:05 < AStorm> some hard drives and then maybe tmpfs
09:05 < AStorm> Also, initng as the init system
09:05 < AStorm> (minit is too unwieldy, same with events)
09:06 < AStorm> (with upstart events - still too "unstable)
09:17 < sepp> hmmm
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11:13 < fke> hi all, is there a 'proper' way to install minimal-desktop-live? Thanks
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11:38 < rxr> re
11:38 < rxr> fke: there is no livecd installer included
11:39 < rxr> you can rsync it to a partition and run your favourite boot-loader, though
11:41 < fke> rxr: ok, i will try. Thanks
11:45 < rxr> you could read and re-use http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/install.sh
11:45 < rxr> that is the install script of the Archivista Scan-Box sollution
11:56 < CIA-18> rene * r23441 /trunk/package/base/multitail/ (. multitail.cache multitail.desc): * added multitail (5.0.0) - Lets you view several files at once in a window, with colors
12:06 < CIA-18> rene * r23442 /trunk/package/develop/redet/redet.desc: * updated redet (8.20 -> 8.21)
12:11 < CIA-18> rene * r23443 /trunk/package/x11/freetype/freetype.desc: * updated freetype (2.3.2 -> 2.3.3)
12:20 < rxr> http://magazine.web.de/de/themen/digitale-welt/computer/software/3853568.html
12:25 < CIA-18> rene * r23444 /trunk/package/gnome2/metacity/metacity.desc: * updated metacity (2.18.0 -> 2.18.1)
12:32 < CIA-18> rene * r23445 /trunk/package/network/mldonkey/mldonkey.desc: * updated mldonkey (2.8.3 -> 2.8.4)
12:33 < CIA-18> rene * r23446 /trunk/package/xfce4/thunar-thumbnailers/thunar-thumbnailers.desc: * updated thunar-thumbnailers (0.1.2 -> 0.2.0)
12:34 < CIA-18> rene * r23447 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.43 -> 2.44)
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14:44 < sepp> hello :)
14:54 < rxr> moin moin sepp
14:55 < sepp> hi rxr
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15:03 < rxr> moin d-marc
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15:11 < d-marc> hello :)
15:11 < rxr> how do you do?
15:12 < rxr> oh - I have to go
15:12 < rxr> easter dinner waiting for me ...
15:12 < rxr> cu later
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15:45 < d-marc> rxr: going to be in frankfurt over easter
15:46 < d-marc> So just I case I dont catch you anymore: Happy Easter
15:46 < d-marc> and Happy Easter to all here too (if you celebrate it)
15:55 < rxr> re
15:55 < rxr> hi from UMTS
15:56 < rxr> happy easter to you too
15:56 < Stelz> ah yeah :)
15:56 < Stelz> rehi rxr :)
15:56 < Stelz> rehi all
15:56 < Stelz> and happy easter too :)
15:57 < rxr> hi Stelz
15:57 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
15:58 < misl> hi folks
15:59 < rxr> hi misl
15:59 < misl> hi rxr
15:59 * rxr messing with java again
15:59 < misl> :-)
15:59 < misl> what are you doing ?
15:59 < rxr> for the upcomming handbook which will be XML Docbook processed by Apache's FOP
15:59 < misl> hehe
16:00 < misl> java is not that bad after all
16:00 < rxr> well, at least fop appears to be the only reasonable XML -> PDF processor ...
16:00 < rxr> btw. what VM preceedence do the average java developer usually have?
16:00 < rxr> just the Sun one?
16:01 < rxr> btw. happy easter and greetings to the family misl
16:01 < rxr> (before I close this UMTS connect from home again ...)
16:01 < misl> happy easter to you and susan too
16:01 < misl> me mostly uses sun vm
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16:01 < misl> at work we are still at vm 1.3.1 :(
16:02 < misl> at home mostly 1.5
16:02 < misl> although I would like to build openJDK 7
16:02 < misl> but have not found the time
16:03 < rxr> yeah , ...
16:03 < rxr> so - easter dinner soon and I have to hunt a new FOPException ...
16:03 < rxr> cu later and happy celebration the next days
16:04 < misl> cu rxr
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16:20 < d-marc> rxr: the best thing would be to avoid java bullshit completely. Maybe compile it with gcj?
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16:49 < rxr> d-marc: don't say this that loud when misl is around here :-)
16:49 < rxr> d-marc: I'm happy that it outputs anything at all
16:50 < rxr> d-marc: later, when I'm more comfortable with this docbook setup, I'll of course package it in T2 and hit it to compile with gcj
16:50 < rxr> however the bugzilla already has entries that gcj does not compile fop out-of-the-box
16:50 * rxr wonders about his UMTS bill for this month ...
16:51 < rxr> thing is I need the new handbook infrastructure finally ready this weekend so we can sprint off to hand the final manuscript to the publisher in just 2 months ...
16:51 < rxr> this will be a major book write marathon anyway
16:52 < rxr> so - cu again
16:52 < rxr> (was just online for the svn commit :-)
16:52 < rxr> like in good old modem times ...)
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17:09 < fke> rxr: Thanks again for you help a couple of hours before
17:10 < fke> rxr: I didn't want to fiddle with a manual installation though... ;-) I just installed 6.0.1
17:11 < fke> rxr: following the buildintro in your website literally i keep running against an error though:
17:12 < fke> rxr: cant build gcc, the log file is telling me: crti.o: No such file any hints?
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18:09 < AStorm> Hey guys, I'm writing this from T2 livecd
18:09 < AStorm> it was very unwise of you not to include ping or irssi on the livecd :>
18:09 < AStorm> T2-resc
18:09 < AStorm> Fortunately, some good soul has irssi compiled using dietlibc.
18:10 < AStorm> And I know my network setup.
18:10 < AStorm> And I made a mistake, removed 2 partitions too many
18:10 < AStorm> want to restore them
18:11 < AStorm> one is ext3, the other is truecrypt
18:11 < AStorm> the third one before them is ext4 with extents - should I find the end of it, I shall be able to restore the whole layout
18:12 < fke> AStorm: Did you have a look at http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk ?
18:13 < fke> AStorm: i did use gpart successfully too
18:22 < AStorm> I can't try e2fsck from T2 livecd, because it doesn't support ext4 :%
18:22 < AStorm> Let's see this gpart
18:22 < AStorm> ext4 header is the same as ext2
18:22 < AStorm> So it should find it.
18:22 < fke> AStorm: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Livecd
18:23 < AStorm> I wonder how long will it take with 80G :>
18:23 < AStorm> And if it'll find these ext4 partitions :>
18:25 < AStorm> fke: hmmmmm
18:25 < AStorm> the e2fsck supporting ext4 would certainly save me
18:25 < AStorm> the partitions I have to find are logical volumes :/
18:25 < AStorm> gpart won't help
18:26 < fke> AStorm: LVM is supported by gpart
18:26 < AStorm> It's not LVM
18:26 < AStorm> it's a typical logical volume
18:27 < AStorm> In an extended partition
18:27 < AStorm> I have to force gpart to only look after certain cylinder
18:28 < fke> AStorm: what is a 'typical logical volume'?
18:28 < AStorm> The thingy you put in an extended partition
18:28 < AStorm> Hmm.
18:29 < AStorm> Ok, I'm scanning using some -k option
18:29 < AStorm> should be much faster, about 40GiB to scan
18:29 < AStorm> Is there some option to search only on cylinder boundaries?
18:30 < AStorm> (unfortunately, the manpages are missing on T2 Resc :P )
18:30 < fke> AStorm: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/gpart-man.html ;-)
18:32 < fke> AStorm: Did you read the part extended partitions?
18:33 < fke> AStorm: sorry, gotta go now... will be back tomorrow
18:34 < AStorm> Ok, got that :>
18:34 < AStorm> extended partition is ok on its own
18:34 < AStorm> I just miss 3 logical drives
18:35 < AStorm> it won't detect truecrypt one, but should find the two others... then the remaining one is the truecrypt
18:35 < AStorm> Thanks for your assistance.
18:47 < rxr> re
18:50 < axion_> hey rxr
18:51 < rxr> hi axion_
18:51 < rxr> how are you?
18:51 < axion_> should i do a generic desktop or exact desktop target for a desktop build?
18:52 < rxr> you mean generix + minimal-desktop template, right?
18:52 < rxr> well , desktop has some more packages and tiny support tweaks
18:52 < rxr> either is fine, but use the branches/6.0
18:53 < axion_> ok...i tried exact desktop and it doesnt download packages from the mirror so i did generic + min., desktop
18:54 < rxr> download should go fine in any case
18:54 < rxr> what errors did you experience ?
18:54 < axion_> it finds the fastest mirror then exits clean without error
18:54 < axion_> only when i chose exact desktop it did that
18:55 < axion_> using 6.0.3 buils scripts...not svn
18:56 < AStorm> BLAH!
18:56 < AStorm> "fatal error: seek failure"
18:56 < AStorm> the gpart version on T2 SDE is broken :P
18:57 < AStorm> It can't even read the correct table I have :P
18:57 < AStorm> Guess I have to try some other LiveCD.
18:58 < AStorm> Or I'll dload the static binary from their page
18:59 < AStorm> Ok, the binary from there works.
18:59 < AStorm> rxr: please fix gpart on the T2-Resc 0.6 for x86_64
19:00 < rxr> AStorm: hm
19:01 < rxr> AStorm: gpart source sucks anyway, look what grave patches I already have for it ...
19:01 < AStorm> :P
19:01 < AStorm> Their binary somehow doesn't...
19:01 < rxr> do you open a bugs.t2-project.org ?
19:01 < AStorm> Not yet, I have to fly. Will file one when I'm back.
19:04 < CIA-18> rene * r23448 /trunk/package/python/itools/itools.desc: * updated itools (0.15.2 -> 0.15.3)
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19:49 < rxr> misl: we have some jave update notification in our t2-update list queue
19:49 < rxr> you do not accidently wanna test them :-?
19:52 < misl> rxr: which one ?
19:52 < rxr> oh there are quite some
19:52 < rxr> Tuesday 11:00:03 [t2-updates] [AUTO] java/junit - junit4.3.1
19:53 < rxr> Tuesday 11:00:02 [t2-updates] [AUTO] java/jetty - jetty-6.1.2rc2
19:53 < rxr> 2007-03-20 11:00 [t2-updates] [AUTO] java/jakarta-regexp - jakarta-regexp-1.5
19:53 < rxr> 2006-12-14 12:27 [t2-updates] [AUTO] java/gcjwebplugin - gcjwebplugin-0.9.0
19:53 < rxr> 2006-10-10 04:13 [t2-updates] [AUTO] java/commons-lang - commons-lang-2.2-src
19:53 < rxr> I have some older ones in my list as well - guess I should take a look if they are even already done in SVN, ...
19:54 < rxr> btw. does ant build with gcj?
19:54 < misl> on opensde I just did maven -> 2.0.6 If I have time I will do that one on T2 as well
19:55 < misl> I don't know if it build with gcj, maybe google knows
19:55 < rxr> oh
20:00 < CIA-18> rene * r23449 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.desc: * updated xorg-server (1.2.99.903 -> 1.2.99.905)
20:05 < AStorm> Ok, I've got my partitions back :-)
20:07 < AStorm> well, gpart ends with seek failure, probably because it tried to seek outside the disc :>
20:11 < CIA-18> rene * r23450 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/1.2.0-xcmisc.patch: * removed now obsolete xorg-server security patch, ...
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20:18 < rxr> ok - cu then again
20:18 < rxr> off home again
20:18 < rxr> have a nice easter celebration
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23:40 < keinek> hi guys
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