T2 IRC Log: 2007-03-23
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--- Log opened Fri Mar 23 00:00:56 2007
00:01 < AStorm> Hmm guys... provide a newer glibc snapshot, as well as gcc :>
00:01 < AStorm> 20061002 smells of old people :>
00:02 < AStorm> gcc is not neccessary right now, but glibc... almost essential
00:04 < sepp> why?
00:04 < sepp> i mean new glibc snapshot
00:04 < AStorm> I mean... why not?
00:05 < AStorm> The older one may probably break with newer systems
00:05 < AStorm> also, new glibc supports hrtimers better
00:05 < R4gnar0k> AStorm: so did you run your tests again?
00:06 < AStorm> R4gnar0k: indeed
00:06 < AStorm> Difference is almost nonexistent in these :P
00:06 < AStorm> Must've been some broken Gentoo patch... or gcc 4.1.1 :P
00:07 < R4gnar0k> ok
00:10 < AStorm> And once again the stupid Chello DNS doesn't work :P
00:10 < AStorm> Can't continue with the install because of it.
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00:28 < AStorm> The glibc upgrade should better be done before 7.0 is final
00:28 < AStorm> (ABI compatibility and stuff)
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08:13 < rxr> re
08:15 < rxr> oh - quite some scrollback of the night
08:18 < CIA-18> rene * r23049 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.32 -> 0.9.33)
08:19 < CIA-18> rene * r23050 /trunk/package/graphic/dcraw/dcraw.desc: * updated dcraw (8.64 -> 8.68)
08:19 < CIA-18> rene * r23051 /trunk/package/graphic/xchm/xchm.desc: * updated xchm (1.10 -> 1.11)
08:19 < CIA-18> rene * r23052 /trunk/package/x11/fluxbox/fluxbox.desc: * updated fluxbox (1.0rc2 -> 1.0rc3)
08:20 < CIA-18> rene * r23053 /trunk/package/x11/beryl-core/beryl-core.desc: * updated beryl-core (0.1.4 -> 0.2.1)
08:22 < CIA-18> rene * r23054 /trunk/package/x11/ (beryl-dbus/ beryl-plugins/beryl-plugins.desc):
08:22 < CIA-18> * updated beryl-plugins (0.1.4 -> 0.2.1)
08:22 < CIA-18> * removed obsolete beryl-dbus (now included in beryl-plugins)
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08:23 < CIA-18> rene * r23055 /trunk/package/x11/aquamarine/aquamarine.desc: * updated aquamarine (0.1.4 -> 0.2.1)
08:23 < CIA-18> rene * r23056 /trunk/package/x11/heliodor/heliodor.desc: * updated heliodor (0.1.4 -> 0.2.1)
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08:24 < CIA-18> rene * r23058 /trunk/package/x11/emerald-themes/emerald-themes.desc: * updated emerald-themes (0.1.4 -> 0.2.1)
08:24 < CIA-18> rene * r23057 /trunk/package/x11/emerald/emerald.desc: * updated emerald (0.1.4 -> 0.2.1)
08:24 < CIA-18> rene * r23059 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/strongswan.desc: * updated strongswan (2.8.2 -> 2.8.3)
08:24 < CIA-18> rene * r23060 /trunk/package/kde/ (k3b/k3b.desc k3b-i18n/k3b-i18n.desc):
08:24 < CIA-18> * updated k3b (0.12.17 -> 1.0)
08:24 < CIA-18> * updated k3b-i18n (0.12.17 -> 1.0)
08:25 < CIA-18> rene * r23061 /trunk/package/office/libwpd/libwpd.desc: * updated libwpd (0.8.8 -> 0.8.9)
08:25 < CIA-18> rene * r23062 /trunk/package/gnome2/pycairo/pycairo.desc: * updated pycairo (1.2.2 -> 1.4.0)
08:25 < CIA-18> rene * r23063 /trunk/package/x11/beryl-manager/beryl-manager.desc: * updated beryl-manager (0.1.4 -> 0.2.1)
08:26 < sepp_> :)
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08:26 < sepp> moin :)
08:29 < rxr> moin moin sepp
08:30 < sepp> hi rxr
08:31 < CIA-18> rene * r23064 /trunk/package/x11/emelfm2/ (emelfm2.conf emelfm2.desc): * updated emelfm2 (0.3.2 -> 0.3.3)
08:31 < CIA-18> rene * r23065 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.13 -> 0.9.13.1)
08:31 < CIA-18> rene * r23066 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/prelude-manager.desc: * updated prelude-manager (0.9.7.1 -> 0.9.7.2)
08:32 < CIA-18> rene * r23067 /trunk/package/multimedia/lives/lives.desc: * updated lives (0.9.8.2 -> 0.9.8.3)
08:32 < CIA-18> rene * r23068 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvdrip/dvdrip.desc: * updated dvdrip (0.98.2 -> 0.98.3)
08:32 < CIA-18> rene * r23069 /trunk/package/mail/dovecot/dovecot.desc: * updated dovecot (1.0.rc22 -> 1.0.rc27)
08:32 < CIA-18> rene * r23070 /trunk/package/xfce4/gtk-xfce-engine2/gtk-xfce-engine2.desc: * updated gtk-xfce-engine2 (2.2.7 -> 2.4.0)
08:33 < CIA-18> rene * r23071 /trunk/package/audio/liblo/liblo.desc: * updated liblo (0.23 -> 0.24)
08:33 < CIA-18> rene * r23072 /trunk/package/textproc/msort/msort.desc: * updated msort (8.38 -> 8.39)
08:33 < CIA-18> rene * r23073 /trunk/package/textproc/libnxml/libnxml.desc: * updated libnxml (0.16 -> 0.17.1)
08:33 < CIA-18> rene * r23074 /trunk/package/security/libpreludedb/libpreludedb.desc: * updated libpreludedb (0.9.11.3 -> 0.9.12)
08:34 < CIA-18> rene * r23075 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayerplug-in/mplayerplug-in.desc: * updated mplayerplug-in (3.35 -> 3.40)
08:35 < CIA-18> rene * r23077 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * updated spamassassin (3.1.8 -> 3.1.5)
08:35 < rxr> ieeek
08:35 < CIA-18> rene * r23076 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.desc: * updated firefox (2.0.0.2 -> 2.0.0.3)
08:35 < rxr> damn - C-c was not fast enough
08:35 < rxr> wonders why a spamassassin downdate leaked into the ref buidler ...
08:36 < CIA-18> rene * r23078 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * reverted r23077, accident spamassassin downdate
08:38 < rxr> valentin: btw. basket kind of rocks: http://www.t2-project.org/packages/basket.html
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08:45 < CIA-18> rene * r23079 /trunk/package/x11/beryl-settings-bindings/ (. beryl-settings-bindings.cache beryl-settings-bindings.desc): * addded beryl-settings-bindings (0.2.1)
08:45 < CIA-18> rene * r23080 /trunk/package/x11/beryl-settings/ (beryl-settings.cache beryl-settings.desc): * updated beryl-settings (0.1.4 -> 0.2.1)
08:45 < CIA-18> rene * r23081 /trunk/package/develop/git/git.desc: * updated git (1.5.0.3 -> 1.5.0.4)
08:47 < CIA-18> rene * r23082 /trunk/package/network/pound/pound.desc: * updated pound (2.2.6 -> 2.2.7)
08:47 < CIA-18> rene * r23083 /trunk/package/develop/libtommath/libtommath.desc: * updated libtommath (0.40 -> 0.41)
08:47 < CIA-18> rene * r23084 /trunk/package/develop/libtomfastmath/libtomfastmath.desc: * updated libtomfastmath (0.10 -> 0.12)
08:47 < CIA-18> rene * r23085 /trunk/package/audio/snd/snd.desc: * updated snd (8.8 -> 8.9)
08:47 < CIA-18> rene * r23086 /trunk/package/network/tntnet/tntnet.desc: * updated tntnet (1.5.3.2 -> 1.5.3.4)
08:48 < CIA-18> rene * r23087 /trunk/package/network/leafnode/leafnode.desc: * updated leafnode (1.11.5 -> 1.11.6)
08:48 < CIA-18> rene * r23088 /trunk/package/network/madwifi/ (madwifi.desc no-depmod.patch): * updated madwifi (0.9.2.1 -> 0.9.3)
09:02 < CIA-18> rene * r23089 /trunk/package/audio/twolame/twolame.desc: * updated twolame (0.3.9 -> 0.3.10)
09:02 < CIA-18> rene * r23090 /trunk/package/games/typespeed/typespeed.desc: * updated typespeed (0.6.0 -> 0.6.1)
09:03 < CIA-18> rene * r23091 /trunk/package/audio/mpd/mpd.desc: * updated mpd (0.12.1 -> 0.12.2)
09:03 < CIA-18> rene * r23092 /trunk/package/audio/mpc/mpc.desc: * updated mpc (0.12.0 -> 0.12.1)
09:10 < AStorm> Damn.
09:10 < AStorm> Build failed _again_!
09:11 < AStorm> at glibc with x86_64-t2-linux-gnu CHOST, so that's the native build
09:11 < AStorm> Or not, latest cross build
09:13 < AStorm> x86_64, 7.0-trunk
09:13 < AStorm> multilib
09:14 < CIA-18> rene * r23093 /trunk/package/xorg/makedepend/makedepend.desc: * updated makedepend (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
09:14 < AStorm> Fails with "Need linker with .init_array/.fini_array support"
09:15 < CIA-18> rene * r23094 /trunk/package/kde/basket/basket.desc: * updated basket (1.0 -> 1.0.1)
09:16 < AStorm> Does any of you know what's up with it?
09:16 < AStorm> (or where I can find the config.log for glibc)
09:19 < AStorm> Aha, found it:
09:21 < AStorm> See this snippet: http://wklej.org/id/3b9cf37a2b
09:21 < AStorm> Looks weird.
09:24 < sepp> whatever pkg that is might need '[F] FPIC-QUIRK'
09:24 < AStorm> It's glibc
09:24 < AStorm> :P
09:25 < rxr> hm
09:25 < rxr> which stage ? 0 or 1 ?
09:25 < AStorm> I think 1
09:25 < AStorm> THe second "compile"
09:26 < AStorm> chost=x86_64-t2-linux-gnu
09:26 < sepp> it outputs the stage at the beginning, after the time, "== 09:28:11 =[9]=> Building" 9 ...
09:26 < AStorm> Ok.
09:27 < AStorm> stage 0
09:33 < AStorm> Any idea?
09:36 < sepp> no :/
09:36 < AStorm> Hmm...
09:37 < AStorm> Would -pie be a problem?
09:37 < AStorm> I'll try w/o it, but later
09:37 < AStorm> BBL
09:37 < sepp> -pie breaks glibc
09:37 < AStorm> Hmmmmmm
09:37 < AStorm> So it should be filtered out
09:37 < AStorm> And --enable-pie added instead
09:38 < AStorm> (as glibc supports such an option)
09:40 < CIA-18> rene * r23095 /trunk/package/x11/ctwm/ (5 files): * updated ctwm (3.6 -> 3.8a)
10:10 < sepp> http://213.54.181.204/2007-03-23-100536.jpg :-)
10:17 < rxr> :-)
10:19 < sepp> very nice and since they have no direction it will never reach some really useable state :'(
10:53 < CIA-18> rene * r23096 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/ (asterisk.conf asterisk.desc compile.patch): * updated asterisk (1.2.13 -> 1.4.2)
10:53 < CIA-18> rene * r23097 /trunk/package/network/asterisk-addons/ (asterisk-addons.conf asterisk-addons.desc): * updated asterisk-addons (1.2.5 -> 1.4.0)
11:09 < rxr> .oO
11:10 < rxr> valentin: with the latest greated xf86-video-i810 and beryl-0.2 whatever it was the stuff runs at all and even smoothly on the TMDS output of the MacBook with the 20" Cinema display attached
11:10 < rxr> this really makes an awesome workstation setup ...
11:44 < sepp> is that an complete wm - or do i need some gnome or kde to try it?
11:44 < sepp> :)
11:52 < CIA-18> rene * r23098 /trunk/package/xfce4/ (12 files in 12 dirs): * added missing xfce4 *.cache files from the reference builder
11:52 < rxr> sepp: it's a compix fork
11:52 < rxr> you do not need gnome or kde
11:52 < rxr> though some plugin and decorators need gtk+ an/or cairo
11:52 < rxr> but I guess you ahve those ...
11:53 < sepp> sure, just no full gnome or kde ...
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11:54 < sepp> will try it later :)
11:54 < rxr> sepp: btw. thanks for the flac fixes, especially libsndfile
11:54 < rxr> fixes quite some errors for the whole reference build ...
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11:54 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-18] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ th ]
11:54 [ AStorm ] [ emte_ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ TobiX ]
11:54 [ Capey ] [ idealm] [ R4gnar0k] [ sparc-kly] [ valentin]
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11:54 < sepp> :)
11:56 < CIA-18> rene * r23099 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in: * added tcp_wrappers to the 00-minimal package selection template
11:56 < sepp> guess you can even google some vlc patch, but i have not mozilla and for some reason it needs xul-runner ... so i have not looked at it
11:57 < sepp> i thought it is some media player and not a web browser
11:57 < rxr> sepp: I fixed it recently
11:57 < rxr> problem was it was not inteligent enough to look in the correct directory
11:57 < rxr> did you tested a vlc rebuild recently ?
11:57 < sepp> ahh, ok
11:58 < rxr> the fixed went in about 1 1/2 weeks ago or so
11:58 < rxr> shortly before CeBIT
11:58 < rxr> btw. RedHat has the same issue, they work around for the same issue in their RPM .spec ...
12:00 < sepp> well, i use (g)mplayer, even if it is broken in a gazillion ways on non-4:3 displays
12:00 < sepp> will send hatemail to them :)
12:04 < sepp> and i am not even running xinerama any longer, i could understand if that would be kind of broken ...
12:13 < CIA-18> susan * r23100 /trunk/package/gnome2/alacarte/alacarte.desc: * updated alacarte (0.10.2 -> 0.11.3)
12:13 < CIA-18> susan * r23101 /trunk/package/gnome2/bug-buddy/bug-buddy.desc: * updated bug-buddy (2.16.1 -> 2.17.4)
12:14 < CIA-18> susan * r23102 /trunk/package/gnome2/control-center/control-center.desc: * updated control-center (2.16.3 -> 2.18.0)
12:14 < CIA-18> susan * r23103 /trunk/package/gnome2/dasher/dasher.desc: * updated dasher (4.2.2 -> 4.4.0)
12:14 < CIA-18> susan * r23104 /trunk/package/gnome2/eel/eel.desc: * updated eel (2.16.3 -> 2.18.0.1)
12:14 < CIA-18> susan * r23105 /trunk/package/gnome2/eog/eog.desc: * updated eog (2.16.3 -> 2.18.0.1)
12:14 < CIA-18> susan * r23106 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/epiphany.desc: * updated epiphany (2.16.3 -> 2.18.0)
12:14 < CIA-18> susan * r23107 /trunk/package/gnome2/evince/evince.desc: * updated evince (0.6.1 -> 0.8.0)
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12:15 < CIA-18> susan * r23110 /trunk/package/gnome2/gconf-editor/gconf-editor.desc: * updated gconf-editor (2.16.0 -> 2.17.0)
12:15 < CIA-18> susan * r23111 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.desc: * updated gdm (2.16.5 -> 2.18.0)
12:15 < CIA-18> susan * r23112 /trunk/package/gnome2/gedit/gedit.desc: * updated gedit (2.16.2 -> 2.18.0)
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12:20 < CIA-18> susan * r23137 /trunk/package/gnome2/nautilus/nautilus.desc: * updated nautilus (2.16.3 -> 2.18.0.1)
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12:20 < CIA-18> susan * r23142 /trunk/package/gnome2/vte/vte.desc: * updated vte (0.14.2 -> 0.16.0)
12:20 < CIA-18> susan * r23143 /trunk/package/gnome2/yelp/yelp.desc: * updated yelp (2.16.2 -> 2.18.0)
12:21 < CIA-18> susan * r23144 /trunk/package/gnome2/zenity/zenity.desc: * updated zenity (2.16.3 -> 2.18.0)
12:21 < CIA-18> susan * r23145 /trunk/package/gnome2/devhelp/devhelp.desc: * updated devhelp (0.12 -> 0.13)
12:26 < CIA-18> susan * r23146 /trunk/package/gnome2/pessulus/ (. pessulus.cache pessulus.desc): * added pessulus (2.16.2) - Is a lockdown editor for GNOME
12:35 < CIA-18> rene * r23147 /trunk/package/develop/libgalago/ (. libgalago.cache libgalago.desc): * added libgalago (0.5.2) - A desktop presence framework
12:38 < CIA-18> rene * r23148 /trunk/package/develop/libnotify/libnotify.desc: * removed bogus Galago reference from the libnotify.desc meta data
12:40 < rxr> so - lunch - cu
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13:46 < rxr> re
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14:40 < d-marc> hi
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14:50 < AStorm> Hullo
14:51 < AStorm> rxr: seen the problem I have with PIC and building stage 0?
14:51 < AStorm> I'll disable PIC, rebuild the target and see if the problem goes away.
14:52 < AStorm> Also, where should I send the patch for support of separate debugging info?
14:55 < AStorm> s/PIC/PIE/
14:56 < AStorm> rxr: http://wklej.org/id/3b9cf37a2b
14:57 < AStorm> BTW, where should I create the $SDECFG_DEBUG_PATH?
14:57 < AStorm> (I mean: where to put the mkdir)
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15:11 < LMJ> outch, over 100 commit since yesterday!
15:11 < AStorm> Most of these GNOME.
15:11 < LMJ> yep
15:12 < AStorm> I'd add one more, but don't know where to send it, and where to put some mkdir call :>
15:12 < Stelz> rehi all
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15:12 < rxr> AStorm: send to t2 @ t2-project . org
15:12 < rxr> or me
15:12 < rxr> rene @ exactcode . de
15:12 < AStorm> Ok
15:12 < rxr> AStorm: maybe start with checking that PIE-less builds are fine
15:12 < AStorm> But the mkdir for $SDECFG_DEBUG_PATH? Where should I put that?
15:13 < AStorm> rxr: I am.
15:13 < AStorm> gcc is currently building
15:13 < rxr> and if so modify glibc.conf to add this --enable-pie and remove the -fPIE ...
15:13 < AStorm> -pie you mean
15:13 < AStorm> :>
15:13 < rxr> yeah
15:13 < rxr> as we have no executable postprocessing for binaries we have to come up with a good place to do this
15:13 < AStorm> Hm.
15:13 < rxr> we can only do this post install time, right?
15:13 < AStorm> I've currently modified the strip wrapper
15:14 < rxr> depending on packages stripping a few times or not at all
15:14 < AStorm> few times... hmm
15:14 < AStorm> that would break
15:14 < AStorm> not stripping wouldn't separate the output too
15:14 < AStorm> :/
15:14 < rxr> I would propose to add this in some postinstall hook to go over the flist and split the binaries it finds in it ...
15:14 < AStorm> Yep.
15:15 < AStorm> Where do I add such a hook?
15:15 < rxr> we have some post build libtool fixup - you can get inspiration from that
15:15 < AStorm> Ah, it has to be done _before_ stripping.
15:15 < AStorm> Not a problem, I can disable strip wrapper in this case :>
15:15 < AStorm> and strip in the postinstall script.
15:16 < AStorm> Hmm, I'd also suggest adding -g3 to CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS
15:17 < AStorm> when @SDECFG_DEBUG != 0
15:17 < AStorm> *$SDECFG_DEBUG
15:18 < AStorm> And one --enable-debug is missing :>
15:18 < AStorm> I'll recheck - first I'll do the objcopy more correctly, then right some wrongs in the debugging selection
15:19 < rxr> I have to reread the code pathes too
15:19 < rxr> I can do so when I'm back in an hour
15:19 < AStorm> paths or patches? :>
15:22 < CIA-18> susan * r23149 /trunk/package/network/ (14 files in 3 dirs): * separated hostap into hostap-utils, hostap-driver and hostapd
15:23 < CIA-18> susan * r23150 /trunk/package/network/hostap/: * removed hostap
15:24 < AStorm> now at cramfs-tools...
15:25 < AStorm> currently stage 1 linux-headers :>
15:25 < CIA-18> rene * r23151 /trunk/target/ (desktop/pkgsel generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in):
15:25 < CIA-18> * added wpa_supplicant to the generic 00-minimal template
15:25 < CIA-18> * updated hostap to just wpa_supplicant in the desktop/pkgsel
15:26 < AStorm> Ok, it's the issue with PIE.
15:26 < rxr> regarding the pathes for the binaries I would orientate what others such as Fedora or so do
15:26 < AStorm> Will fix.
15:27 < AStorm> rxr: BTW, I'm don't know where to put the debugging info by default.
15:27 < AStorm> /opt/debug?
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15:28 < rxr> does'n Fedora use some subdirectory or .debug extension or so near the actual file ?
15:29 < rxr> but I only remeber vaguely I only saw it one
15:29 < rxr> once
15:29 < AStorm> (gdb will find files there if given "set debug-file-directory"
15:29 < AStorm> Yes, the default search path is the.debug
15:29 < rxr> but as I just got the EU PS3 fresh from the Sony store and will be off to hunt a matching, HDCP capable display I'll have a Yellow Dog Linux to tell you in some minutes *g*
15:30 < AStorm> or/.debug/.debug
15:30 < AStorm> Heh :-)
15:30 < rxr> well - all the other PPC CPUs and machines already just work with T2
15:30 < AStorm> rxr, you don't have to, I have gdb texinfo page
15:30 < rxr> just natural expansion :-)
15:30 < AStorm> :>
15:30 < rxr> and a cheap G5 workstation ...
15:31 < AStorm> Well, I have a not-so-cheap x86_64 C2D workstation :P
15:32 < rxr> yeah, I have a not so cheap dual-G5 as well ...
15:32 < rxr> too bad the PS3 took so long to hit the market, could have saved that one then ...
15:32 < AStorm> I don't have any cash to spare on consoles :P
15:33 < rxr> yeah - my first "console"
15:33 < AStorm> BTW, what do you think about trying to speed system up by moving swap onto a fast pendrive?
15:34 < AStorm> (other than that, it will improve privacy with swsusp :> )
15:34 < rxr> aren't most HD drives way faster than pendrives ?
15:34 < AStorm> Yes, but if you only have one... you get seeking and thrashing
15:34 < rxr> beside that they degrade with write access ...
15:34 < AStorm> Not too badly - new ones are more resilient than HDDs already :D
15:34 < CIA-18> susan * r23152 /trunk/package/gnome2/atk/atk.desc: * updated atk (1.12.4 -> 1.18.0)
15:35 < AStorm> And a write speed of 20MB/s is certainly possible.
15:35 < AStorm> (and available, not too expensive even)
15:35 < AStorm> Not to mention RAID :P
15:35 < CIA-18> susan * r23153 /trunk/package/gnome2/libbonoboui/libbonoboui.desc: * updated libbonoboui (2.16.0 -> 2.18.0)
15:36 < CIA-18> susan * r23154 /trunk/package/gnome2/libbonobo/libbonobo.desc: * updated libbonobo (2.16.0 -> 2.18.0)
15:36 < AStorm> Though RAID out of pendrives sounds... perverse :P
15:37 < rxr> AStorm: lol
15:37 < AStorm> Except some guys are already making flash hard discs :>
15:37 < rxr> with massive raid pens you could even invent some special round robin writing to save some write cycles :-)
15:37 < AStorm> rxr, not needed
15:38 < AStorm> Current flash tech allows > 10 mln write cycles
15:38 < AStorm> for a single sector
15:38 < CIA-18> susan * r23155 /trunk/package/gnome2/gconf/gconf.desc: * updated gconf (2.16.1 -> 2.18.0.1)
15:38 < AStorm> Add wear leveling and hot spares - and it's more resilient than HDD in every matter.
15:39 < AStorm> The only problem is speed.
15:39 < AStorm> And price :P
15:39 < AStorm> You know, currently a 4GB pendrive costs as much as a 80G hard disc
15:39 < AStorm> whoops, 60G
15:39 < AStorm> laptop one too, SATA
15:40 < AStorm> Though by 2012-2015... we'll probably dump hard drives.
15:41 < AStorm> Except huge servers.
15:41 < CIA-18> susan * r23156 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-vfs/gnome-vfs.desc: * updated gnome-vfs (2.16.3 -> 2.18.0.1)
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15:48 < CIA-18> susan * r23157 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager.desc: * updated gnome-volume-manager (2.15.0 -> 2.17.0)
15:49 < AStorm> Heh, Some pendrives offer 25 MB/s read 17 MB/s write
15:49 < AStorm> it's on par with laptop hard discs
15:49 < AStorm> And that's a single drive :>
15:49 < sepp> someone knows from which system dir firefox and mozilla will load plugins?
15:50 < rxr> I fixed something in this regard in the past
15:51 < rxr> but I do not remeber off-hand, I use the /home/joe-doe/.mozilla/plugins on production systems so far
15:51 < AStorm> sepp: by default it's /usr/lib/nsbrowser/
15:51 < AStorm> or /opt/netscape/plugins
15:51 < sepp> latest swfdec-mozilla plays e.g. youtube videos just fine, but i dont know where to put them
15:51 < sepp> beside ~/.mozilla ...
15:52 < AStorm> Use newest normal flash :>
15:52 < AStorm> I mean, Adobe one
15:52 < CIA-18> susan * r23158 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-themes/gnome-themes.desc: * updated gnome-themes (2.16.3 -> 2.18.0)
15:52 < AStorm> there's some nspluginwrapper for 64-bit
15:52 < AStorm> works stable
15:53 < rxr> AStorm: adobe flash is not avaiable for any of my platforms, such as sparc*, ppc*, ...
15:53 < rxr> AStorm: nspluginwrapper can use 32bit plugins on 64bit systems ?
15:53 < sepp> nspluginwrapper does not work on my amd64
15:55 < sepp> that is what they say it does, but i never saw that working
15:55 < AStorm> rxr: yes
15:55 < AStorm> sepp: here it does work all right :D
15:56 < rxr> intersting never heared from it ...
15:56 < sepp> hmm
15:56 < rxr> sepp: there should indeed by a system plugin dir for mozilla
15:57 < AStorm> sepp: you have to run some command to enable 32-bit plugins
15:57 < AStorm> nspluginwrapper with some options
15:57 < AStorm> It will find them and wrap.
15:59 < sepp> tried that
15:59 < AStorm> Hm.
15:59 < AStorm> Weird, as here it indeed works fine
15:59 < AStorm> with acroread and flash
15:59 < CIA-18> susan * r23159 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-doc-utils/gnome-doc-utils.desc: * updated gnome-doc-utils (0.8.0 -> 0.10.1)
16:08 < CIA-18> susan * r23160 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+.desc: * updated gtk+ (2.10.9 -> 2.10.11)
16:10 < CIA-18> susan * r23161 /trunk/package/gnome2/gst-plugins-good/ (gst-plugins-good.desc libshout.patch): * updated gst-plugins-good (0.10.5 -> 0.10.3)
16:10 < CIA-18> susan * r23162 /trunk/package/gnome2/pango/pango.desc: * updated pango (1.14.10 -> 1.16.1)
16:16 < CIA-18> susan * r23163 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (2.16.5 -> 2.18.0)
16:17 < CIA-18> susan * r23164 /trunk/package/gnome2/at-spi/at-spi.desc: * updated at-spi (1.7.16 -> 1.18.0)
16:18 < CIA-18> susan * r23165 /trunk/package/gnome2/gail/gail.desc: * updated gail (1.9.4 -> 1.18.0)
16:19 < CIA-18> susan * r23166 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomeui/libgnomeui.desc: * updated libgnomeui (2.16.1 -> 2.18.1)
16:21 < CIA-18> susan * r23167 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnome/libgnome.desc: * updated libgnome (2.16.0 -> 2.18.0)
16:24 < CIA-18> susan * r23168 /trunk/package/x11/cairo/cairo.desc: * updated cairo (1.4.0 -> 1.4.2)
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17:08 < AStorm> Does T2 use some initramfs?
17:09 < rxr> hi
17:09 < rxr> yes, initramfs :-)
17:09 < rxr> cpio archive as usual ...
17:09 < AStorm> Mhm.
17:09 < rxr> loading modules automatically ...
17:09 < rxr> unless you load the kernel directly ...
17:09 < AStorm> Something special about it, except module loading?
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17:10 < rxr> statically linked shell, so you can inject custom code comfortably ...
17:10 < AStorm> Because I'll do one for the USB system too
17:10 < AStorm> Aha, Busybox? :D
17:10 < rxr> no, pdksh which we default to link statically
17:10 < rxr> of course you can do whatever in your custom target
17:10 < AStorm> mhm
17:11 < AStorm> I prefer busybox to some random ksh :>
17:11 < rxr> yeah you can use busybox as well ...
17:11 < AStorm> Ok, so doing a custom initramfs shouldn't be hard at all.
17:11 < AStorm> Good, very good.
17:11 < rxr> as I wrote, "Your target is open to do all kind of modifications" ...
17:12 < AStorm> :D
17:12 < AStorm> Currently, the default T2 kernel is building
17:13 < CIA-18> rene * r23169 /trunk/package/develop/vbindiff/vbindiff.desc: * updated vbindiff Download tag as suggested by the Author, likewise
17:16 < AStorm> Looks like an allmodconfig :P
17:21 < d-marc> rxr: forwarded you an email
17:21 < AStorm> Heh, I can further speed up that LiveUSB system :>
17:22 < AStorm> Is there some nice transparent compression availiable for Linux? (r/w, quite easy to set up, full partition)
17:22 < AStorm> Also, good latency.
17:22 < AStorm> squashfs doesn't count - it's r/o
17:23 < AStorm> LZO would be nice
17:39 < AStorm> Hmm, there is something I could use: compFUSEd
17:40 < AStorm> or LZOlayer
17:42 < rxr> d-marc: :-)
17:42 < rxr> d-marc: I got your photo related SMS
17:42 < rxr> d-marc: my blog is running on a uni server which is down due some kV re-wiring in the building
17:42 < d-marc> ok, send me some pics when you get the time :)
17:43 < rxr> d-marc: as soon as the blog server is up again the photos will show up there :-)
17:43 < rxr> (that is if you do not censor some you might be on ;-)
17:45 < d-marc> http://www.maintech.de/index.php?id=23
17:49 < d-marc> http://www.maintech.de/uploads/media/Hacking_into_TomTom_GO.pdf
18:20 < rxr> re
18:20 < rxr> lol
18:21 < R4gnar0k> moin
18:26 < rxr> d-marc: nice reading ...
18:26 < rxr> moin R4gnar0k
18:27 < rxr> heh PS3 is killing our work time here ...
18:29 < rxr> good that it soon will be running T2 ... http://www.t2-project.org/targets/ps3.html
18:30 < R4gnar0k> o_o
18:42 < rxr> fast G5
18:42 < rxr> heh! cheap enough to cluster :-)
18:43 < AStorm> :>
18:43 < AStorm> Hmm, some kernel module didn't compile
18:49 < rxr> what package selectino do you build ?
18:50 < rxr> generic including all packages?
18:57 < sepp> http://213.54.181.204/swfdec.patch, any better idea?
19:13 < rxr> sepp: commit the package and update as it wihtout the profile.d and I review mozilla profile loading over the night ?
19:15 < sepp> no hurry ;)
19:19 < AStorm> rxr: with RT
19:19 < AStorm> :>
19:20 < AStorm> But can do w/o that
19:20 < AStorm> with RT and ADEOS.
19:20 < sepp> not the most important thing in the world, but oss plugin to play youtube crap is neat :)
19:21 < AStorm> Heh.
19:21 < AStorm> I have some Firefox extension that allows me to download the movie
19:21 < AStorm> and then, you can play it in mplayer
19:22 < sepp> how user friendly, just tell joe random user that he can use wget and mplayer to watch youtube crap :P
19:23 < AStorm> wget?
19:23 < AStorm> Why wget?
19:23 < AStorm> It's a firefox plugin, dammit
19:23 < AStorm> and it shows a typical download window
19:23 < AStorm> If you've mplayer bound to flv filetype, you can open the movie directly even
19:25 < sepp> :)
19:25 < AStorm> mplayer or gmplayer, maybe even gxine or kaffeine
19:25 < AStorm> or kmplayer
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19:31 < CIA-18> rene * r23170 /branches/6.0/package/base/suspend/ (10 files):
19:31 < CIA-18> * merged r20433, r21456, r21458, r21459 from trunk: added
19:31 < CIA-18> suspend (2007-02-23) - Some userland tools to suspend a Linux system
19:33 < AStorm> Hey guys, I've bought one of these:
19:33 < AStorm> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patriot-Xporter-Extreme-Performance-Speed/dp/B000HI3WVY
19:33 < AStorm> (except not from amazon)
19:34 < AStorm> Good pick?
19:34 < AStorm> According to some PC World tests, it does achieve 31 MB/s read and 25 MB/s write
19:35 < AStorm> That's better than my laptop SATA drive :P
19:35 < AStorm> There's an 8GB model too
19:36 < AStorm> It was tested to be waterproof too
19:36 < AStorm> and survived being boiled, frozen and dropped into beer :P
19:38 < sepp> lol
19:38 < AStorm> That's some rugged hardware, eh? :P
19:40 < AStorm> Most other didn't fail when dropped into a glass of water, but required lengthy drying
19:40 < AStorm> also didn't fail the freeze
19:40 < AStorm> But boil and beer test were too much for most of them :P
20:03 < LMJ> moin moin
20:03 < AStorm> niom niom
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22:27 < robschi> Where can I find bootable isos (i386, x86_64)? The links at www.t2-project.org do not work.
22:28 < sepp> the university link?
22:28 < robschi> sepp: yes
22:29 < sepp> uhm, i dont know, i guess they have students borrowing cables or something stupid :p
22:29 < sepp> or mismanagement
22:30 < robschi> yes, it looks like so
22:30 < sepp> :(
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00:01 < AStorm> Hmm guys... provide a newer glibc snapshot, as well as gcc :>
00:01 < AStorm> 20061002 smells of old people :>
00:02 < AStorm> gcc is not neccessary right now, but glibc... almost essential
00:04 < sepp> why?
00:04 < sepp> i mean new glibc snapshot
00:04 < AStorm> I mean... why not?
00:05 < AStorm> The older one may probably break with newer systems
00:05 < AStorm> also, new glibc supports hrtimers better
00:05 < R4gnar0k> AStorm: so did you run your tests again?
00:06 < AStorm> R4gnar0k: indeed
00:06 < AStorm> Difference is almost nonexistent in these :P
00:06 < AStorm> Must've been some broken Gentoo patch... or gcc 4.1.1 :P
00:07 < R4gnar0k> ok
00:10 < AStorm> And once again the stupid Chello DNS doesn't work :P
00:10 < AStorm> Can't continue with the install because of it.
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00:28 < AStorm> The glibc upgrade should better be done before 7.0 is final
00:28 < AStorm> (ABI compatibility and stuff)
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08:13 < rxr> re
08:15 < rxr> oh - quite some scrollback of the night
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08:22 < CIA-18> * removed obsolete beryl-dbus (now included in beryl-plugins)
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08:24 < CIA-18> * updated k3b-i18n (0.12.17 -> 1.0)
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08:26 < sepp_> :)
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08:26 < sepp> moin :)
08:29 < rxr> moin moin sepp
08:30 < sepp> hi rxr
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08:35 < rxr> ieeek
08:35 < CIA-18> rene * r23076 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.desc: * updated firefox (2.0.0.2 -> 2.0.0.3)
08:35 < rxr> damn - C-c was not fast enough
08:35 < rxr> wonders why a spamassassin downdate leaked into the ref buidler ...
08:36 < CIA-18> rene * r23078 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * reverted r23077, accident spamassassin downdate
08:38 < rxr> valentin: btw. basket kind of rocks: http://www.t2-project.org/packages/basket.html
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09:10 < AStorm> Damn.
09:10 < AStorm> Build failed _again_!
09:11 < AStorm> at glibc with x86_64-t2-linux-gnu CHOST, so that's the native build
09:11 < AStorm> Or not, latest cross build
09:13 < AStorm> x86_64, 7.0-trunk
09:13 < AStorm> multilib
09:14 < CIA-18> rene * r23093 /trunk/package/xorg/makedepend/makedepend.desc: * updated makedepend (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
09:14 < AStorm> Fails with "Need linker with .init_array/.fini_array support"
09:15 < CIA-18> rene * r23094 /trunk/package/kde/basket/basket.desc: * updated basket (1.0 -> 1.0.1)
09:16 < AStorm> Does any of you know what's up with it?
09:16 < AStorm> (or where I can find the config.log for glibc)
09:19 < AStorm> Aha, found it:
09:21 < AStorm> See this snippet: http://wklej.org/id/3b9cf37a2b
09:21 < AStorm> Looks weird.
09:24 < sepp> whatever pkg that is might need '[F] FPIC-QUIRK'
09:24 < AStorm> It's glibc
09:24 < AStorm> :P
09:25 < rxr> hm
09:25 < rxr> which stage ? 0 or 1 ?
09:25 < AStorm> I think 1
09:25 < AStorm> THe second "compile"
09:26 < AStorm> chost=x86_64-t2-linux-gnu
09:26 < sepp> it outputs the stage at the beginning, after the time, "== 09:28:11 =[9]=> Building" 9 ...
09:26 < AStorm> Ok.
09:27 < AStorm> stage 0
09:33 < AStorm> Any idea?
09:36 < sepp> no :/
09:36 < AStorm> Hmm...
09:37 < AStorm> Would -pie be a problem?
09:37 < AStorm> I'll try w/o it, but later
09:37 < AStorm> BBL
09:37 < sepp> -pie breaks glibc
09:37 < AStorm> Hmmmmmm
09:37 < AStorm> So it should be filtered out
09:37 < AStorm> And --enable-pie added instead
09:38 < AStorm> (as glibc supports such an option)
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10:10 < sepp> http://213.54.181.204/2007-03-23-100536.jpg :-)
10:17 < rxr> :-)
10:19 < sepp> very nice and since they have no direction it will never reach some really useable state :'(
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11:09 < rxr> .oO
11:10 < rxr> valentin: with the latest greated xf86-video-i810 and beryl-0.2 whatever it was the stuff runs at all and even smoothly on the TMDS output of the MacBook with the 20" Cinema display attached
11:10 < rxr> this really makes an awesome workstation setup ...
11:44 < sepp> is that an complete wm - or do i need some gnome or kde to try it?
11:44 < sepp> :)
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11:52 < rxr> sepp: it's a compix fork
11:52 < rxr> you do not need gnome or kde
11:52 < rxr> though some plugin and decorators need gtk+ an/or cairo
11:52 < rxr> but I guess you ahve those ...
11:53 < sepp> sure, just no full gnome or kde ...
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11:54 < sepp> will try it later :)
11:54 < rxr> sepp: btw. thanks for the flac fixes, especially libsndfile
11:54 < rxr> fixes quite some errors for the whole reference build ...
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11:54 < sepp> :)
11:56 < CIA-18> rene * r23099 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in: * added tcp_wrappers to the 00-minimal package selection template
11:56 < sepp> guess you can even google some vlc patch, but i have not mozilla and for some reason it needs xul-runner ... so i have not looked at it
11:57 < sepp> i thought it is some media player and not a web browser
11:57 < rxr> sepp: I fixed it recently
11:57 < rxr> problem was it was not inteligent enough to look in the correct directory
11:57 < rxr> did you tested a vlc rebuild recently ?
11:57 < sepp> ahh, ok
11:58 < rxr> the fixed went in about 1 1/2 weeks ago or so
11:58 < rxr> shortly before CeBIT
11:58 < rxr> btw. RedHat has the same issue, they work around for the same issue in their RPM .spec ...
12:00 < sepp> well, i use (g)mplayer, even if it is broken in a gazillion ways on non-4:3 displays
12:00 < sepp> will send hatemail to them :)
12:04 < sepp> and i am not even running xinerama any longer, i could understand if that would be kind of broken ...
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12:40 < rxr> so - lunch - cu
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13:46 < rxr> re
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14:40 < d-marc> hi
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14:50 < AStorm> Hullo
14:51 < AStorm> rxr: seen the problem I have with PIC and building stage 0?
14:51 < AStorm> I'll disable PIC, rebuild the target and see if the problem goes away.
14:52 < AStorm> Also, where should I send the patch for support of separate debugging info?
14:55 < AStorm> s/PIC/PIE/
14:56 < AStorm> rxr: http://wklej.org/id/3b9cf37a2b
14:57 < AStorm> BTW, where should I create the $SDECFG_DEBUG_PATH?
14:57 < AStorm> (I mean: where to put the mkdir)
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15:11 < LMJ> outch, over 100 commit since yesterday!
15:11 < AStorm> Most of these GNOME.
15:11 < LMJ> yep
15:12 < AStorm> I'd add one more, but don't know where to send it, and where to put some mkdir call :>
15:12 < Stelz> rehi all
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15:12 < rxr> AStorm: send to t2 @ t2-project . org
15:12 < rxr> or me
15:12 < rxr> rene @ exactcode . de
15:12 < AStorm> Ok
15:12 < rxr> AStorm: maybe start with checking that PIE-less builds are fine
15:12 < AStorm> But the mkdir for $SDECFG_DEBUG_PATH? Where should I put that?
15:13 < AStorm> rxr: I am.
15:13 < AStorm> gcc is currently building
15:13 < rxr> and if so modify glibc.conf to add this --enable-pie and remove the -fPIE ...
15:13 < AStorm> -pie you mean
15:13 < AStorm> :>
15:13 < rxr> yeah
15:13 < rxr> as we have no executable postprocessing for binaries we have to come up with a good place to do this
15:13 < AStorm> Hm.
15:13 < rxr> we can only do this post install time, right?
15:13 < AStorm> I've currently modified the strip wrapper
15:14 < rxr> depending on packages stripping a few times or not at all
15:14 < AStorm> few times... hmm
15:14 < AStorm> that would break
15:14 < AStorm> not stripping wouldn't separate the output too
15:14 < AStorm> :/
15:14 < rxr> I would propose to add this in some postinstall hook to go over the flist and split the binaries it finds in it ...
15:14 < AStorm> Yep.
15:15 < AStorm> Where do I add such a hook?
15:15 < rxr> we have some post build libtool fixup - you can get inspiration from that
15:15 < AStorm> Ah, it has to be done _before_ stripping.
15:15 < AStorm> Not a problem, I can disable strip wrapper in this case :>
15:15 < AStorm> and strip in the postinstall script.
15:16 < AStorm> Hmm, I'd also suggest adding -g3 to CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS
15:17 < AStorm> when @SDECFG_DEBUG != 0
15:17 < AStorm> *$SDECFG_DEBUG
15:18 < AStorm> And one --enable-debug is missing :>
15:18 < AStorm> I'll recheck - first I'll do the objcopy more correctly, then right some wrongs in the debugging selection
15:19 < rxr> I have to reread the code pathes too
15:19 < rxr> I can do so when I'm back in an hour
15:19 < AStorm> paths or patches? :>
15:22 < CIA-18> susan * r23149 /trunk/package/network/ (14 files in 3 dirs): * separated hostap into hostap-utils, hostap-driver and hostapd
15:23 < CIA-18> susan * r23150 /trunk/package/network/hostap/: * removed hostap
15:24 < AStorm> now at cramfs-tools...
15:25 < AStorm> currently stage 1 linux-headers :>
15:25 < CIA-18> rene * r23151 /trunk/target/ (desktop/pkgsel generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in):
15:25 < CIA-18> * added wpa_supplicant to the generic 00-minimal template
15:25 < CIA-18> * updated hostap to just wpa_supplicant in the desktop/pkgsel
15:26 < AStorm> Ok, it's the issue with PIE.
15:26 < rxr> regarding the pathes for the binaries I would orientate what others such as Fedora or so do
15:26 < AStorm> Will fix.
15:27 < AStorm> rxr: BTW, I'm don't know where to put the debugging info by default.
15:27 < AStorm> /opt/debug?
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15:28 < rxr> does'n Fedora use some subdirectory or .debug extension or so near the actual file ?
15:29 < rxr> but I only remeber vaguely I only saw it one
15:29 < rxr> once
15:29 < AStorm> (gdb will find files there if given "set debug-file-directory
15:29 < AStorm> Yes, the default search path is the
15:29 < rxr> but as I just got the EU PS3 fresh from the Sony store and will be off to hunt a matching, HDCP capable display I'll have a Yellow Dog Linux to tell you in some minutes *g*
15:30 < AStorm> or
15:30 < AStorm> Heh :-)
15:30 < rxr> well - all the other PPC CPUs and machines already just work with T2
15:30 < AStorm> rxr, you don't have to, I have gdb texinfo page
15:30 < rxr> just natural expansion :-)
15:30 < AStorm> :>
15:30 < rxr> and a cheap G5 workstation ...
15:31 < AStorm> Well, I have a not-so-cheap x86_64 C2D workstation :P
15:32 < rxr> yeah, I have a not so cheap dual-G5 as well ...
15:32 < rxr> too bad the PS3 took so long to hit the market, could have saved that one then ...
15:32 < AStorm> I don't have any cash to spare on consoles :P
15:33 < rxr> yeah - my first "console"
15:33 < AStorm> BTW, what do you think about trying to speed system up by moving swap onto a fast pendrive?
15:34 < AStorm> (other than that, it will improve privacy with swsusp :> )
15:34 < rxr> aren't most HD drives way faster than pendrives ?
15:34 < AStorm> Yes, but if you only have one... you get seeking and thrashing
15:34 < rxr> beside that they degrade with write access ...
15:34 < AStorm> Not too badly - new ones are more resilient than HDDs already :D
15:34 < CIA-18> susan * r23152 /trunk/package/gnome2/atk/atk.desc: * updated atk (1.12.4 -> 1.18.0)
15:35 < AStorm> And a write speed of 20MB/s is certainly possible.
15:35 < AStorm> (and available, not too expensive even)
15:35 < AStorm> Not to mention RAID :P
15:35 < CIA-18> susan * r23153 /trunk/package/gnome2/libbonoboui/libbonoboui.desc: * updated libbonoboui (2.16.0 -> 2.18.0)
15:36 < CIA-18> susan * r23154 /trunk/package/gnome2/libbonobo/libbonobo.desc: * updated libbonobo (2.16.0 -> 2.18.0)
15:36 < AStorm> Though RAID out of pendrives sounds... perverse :P
15:37 < rxr> AStorm: lol
15:37 < AStorm> Except some guys are already making flash hard discs :>
15:37 < rxr> with massive raid pens you could even invent some special round robin writing to save some write cycles :-)
15:37 < AStorm> rxr, not needed
15:38 < AStorm> Current flash tech allows > 10 mln write cycles
15:38 < AStorm> for a single sector
15:38 < CIA-18> susan * r23155 /trunk/package/gnome2/gconf/gconf.desc: * updated gconf (2.16.1 -> 2.18.0.1)
15:38 < AStorm> Add wear leveling and hot spares - and it's more resilient than HDD in every matter.
15:39 < AStorm> The only problem is speed.
15:39 < AStorm> And price :P
15:39 < AStorm> You know, currently a 4GB pendrive costs as much as a 80G hard disc
15:39 < AStorm> whoops, 60G
15:39 < AStorm> laptop one too, SATA
15:40 < AStorm> Though by 2012-2015... we'll probably dump hard drives.
15:41 < AStorm> Except huge servers.
15:41 < CIA-18> susan * r23156 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-vfs/gnome-vfs.desc: * updated gnome-vfs (2.16.3 -> 2.18.0.1)
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15:48 < CIA-18> susan * r23157 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager.desc: * updated gnome-volume-manager (2.15.0 -> 2.17.0)
15:49 < AStorm> Heh, Some pendrives offer 25 MB/s read 17 MB/s write
15:49 < AStorm> it's on par with laptop hard discs
15:49 < AStorm> And that's a single drive :>
15:49 < sepp> someone knows from which system dir firefox and mozilla will load plugins?
15:50 < rxr> I fixed something in this regard in the past
15:51 < rxr> but I do not remeber off-hand, I use the /home/joe-doe/.mozilla/plugins on production systems so far
15:51 < AStorm> sepp: by default it's /usr/lib/nsbrowser/
15:51 < AStorm> or /opt/netscape/plugins
15:51 < sepp> latest swfdec-mozilla plays e.g. youtube videos just fine, but i dont know where to put them
15:51 < sepp> beside ~/.mozilla ...
15:52 < AStorm> Use newest normal flash :>
15:52 < AStorm> I mean, Adobe one
15:52 < CIA-18> susan * r23158 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-themes/gnome-themes.desc: * updated gnome-themes (2.16.3 -> 2.18.0)
15:52 < AStorm> there's some nspluginwrapper for 64-bit
15:52 < AStorm> works stable
15:53 < rxr> AStorm: adobe flash is not avaiable for any of my platforms, such as sparc*, ppc*, ...
15:53 < rxr> AStorm: nspluginwrapper can use 32bit plugins on 64bit systems ?
15:53 < sepp> nspluginwrapper does not work on my amd64
15:55 < sepp> that is what they say it does, but i never saw that working
15:55 < AStorm> rxr: yes
15:55 < AStorm> sepp: here it does work all right :D
15:56 < rxr> intersting never heared from it ...
15:56 < sepp> hmm
15:56 < rxr> sepp: there should indeed by a system plugin dir for mozilla
15:57 < AStorm> sepp: you have to run some command to enable 32-bit plugins
15:57 < AStorm> nspluginwrapper with some options
15:57 < AStorm> It will find them and wrap.
15:59 < sepp> tried that
15:59 < AStorm> Hm.
15:59 < AStorm> Weird, as here it indeed works fine
15:59 < AStorm> with acroread and flash
15:59 < CIA-18> susan * r23159 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-doc-utils/gnome-doc-utils.desc: * updated gnome-doc-utils (0.8.0 -> 0.10.1)
16:08 < CIA-18> susan * r23160 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+.desc: * updated gtk+ (2.10.9 -> 2.10.11)
16:10 < CIA-18> susan * r23161 /trunk/package/gnome2/gst-plugins-good/ (gst-plugins-good.desc libshout.patch): * updated gst-plugins-good (0.10.5 -> 0.10.3)
16:10 < CIA-18> susan * r23162 /trunk/package/gnome2/pango/pango.desc: * updated pango (1.14.10 -> 1.16.1)
16:16 < CIA-18> susan * r23163 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (2.16.5 -> 2.18.0)
16:17 < CIA-18> susan * r23164 /trunk/package/gnome2/at-spi/at-spi.desc: * updated at-spi (1.7.16 -> 1.18.0)
16:18 < CIA-18> susan * r23165 /trunk/package/gnome2/gail/gail.desc: * updated gail (1.9.4 -> 1.18.0)
16:19 < CIA-18> susan * r23166 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomeui/libgnomeui.desc: * updated libgnomeui (2.16.1 -> 2.18.1)
16:21 < CIA-18> susan * r23167 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnome/libgnome.desc: * updated libgnome (2.16.0 -> 2.18.0)
16:24 < CIA-18> susan * r23168 /trunk/package/x11/cairo/cairo.desc: * updated cairo (1.4.0 -> 1.4.2)
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17:08 < AStorm> Does T2 use some initramfs?
17:09 < rxr> hi
17:09 < rxr> yes, initramfs :-)
17:09 < rxr> cpio archive as usual ...
17:09 < AStorm> Mhm.
17:09 < rxr> loading modules automatically ...
17:09 < rxr> unless you load the kernel directly ...
17:09 < AStorm> Something special about it, except module loading?
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17:10 < rxr> statically linked shell, so you can inject custom code comfortably ...
17:10 < AStorm> Because I'll do one for the USB system too
17:10 < AStorm> Aha, Busybox? :D
17:10 < rxr> no, pdksh which we default to link statically
17:10 < rxr> of course you can do whatever in your custom target
17:10 < AStorm> mhm
17:11 < AStorm> I prefer busybox to some random ksh :>
17:11 < rxr> yeah you can use busybox as well ...
17:11 < AStorm> Ok, so doing a custom initramfs shouldn't be hard at all.
17:11 < AStorm> Good, very good.
17:11 < rxr> as I wrote, "Your target is open to do all kind of modifications" ...
17:12 < AStorm> :D
17:12 < AStorm> Currently, the default T2 kernel is building
17:13 < CIA-18> rene * r23169 /trunk/package/develop/vbindiff/vbindiff.desc: * updated vbindiff Download tag as suggested by the Author, likewise
17:16 < AStorm> Looks like an allmodconfig :P
17:21 < d-marc> rxr: forwarded you an email
17:21 < AStorm> Heh, I can further speed up that LiveUSB system :>
17:22 < AStorm> Is there some nice transparent compression availiable for Linux? (r/w, quite easy to set up, full partition)
17:22 < AStorm> Also, good latency.
17:22 < AStorm> squashfs doesn't count - it's r/o
17:23 < AStorm> LZO would be nice
17:39 < AStorm> Hmm, there is something I could use: compFUSEd
17:40 < AStorm> or LZOlayer
17:42 < rxr> d-marc: :-)
17:42 < rxr> d-marc: I got your photo related SMS
17:42 < rxr> d-marc: my blog is running on a uni server which is down due some kV re-wiring in the building
17:42 < d-marc> ok, send me some pics when you get the time :)
17:43 < rxr> d-marc: as soon as the blog server is up again the photos will show up there :-)
17:43 < rxr> (that is if you do not censor some you might be on ;-)
17:45 < d-marc> http://www.maintech.de/index.php?id=23
17:49 < d-marc> http://www.maintech.de/uploads/media/Hacking_into_TomTom_GO.pdf
18:20 < rxr> re
18:20 < rxr> lol
18:21 < R4gnar0k> moin
18:26 < rxr> d-marc: nice reading ...
18:26 < rxr> moin R4gnar0k
18:27 < rxr> heh PS3 is killing our work time here ...
18:29 < rxr> good that it soon will be running T2 ... http://www.t2-project.org/targets/ps3.html
18:30 < R4gnar0k> o_o
18:42 < rxr> fast G5
18:42 < rxr> heh! cheap enough to cluster :-)
18:43 < AStorm> :>
18:43 < AStorm> Hmm, some kernel module didn't compile
18:49 < rxr> what package selectino do you build ?
18:50 < rxr> generic including all packages?
18:57 < sepp> http://213.54.181.204/swfdec.patch, any better idea?
19:13 < rxr> sepp: commit the package and update as it wihtout the profile.d and I review mozilla profile loading over the night ?
19:15 < sepp> no hurry ;)
19:19 < AStorm> rxr: with RT
19:19 < AStorm> :>
19:20 < AStorm> But can do w/o that
19:20 < AStorm> with RT and ADEOS.
19:20 < sepp> not the most important thing in the world, but oss plugin to play youtube crap is neat :)
19:21 < AStorm> Heh.
19:21 < AStorm> I have some Firefox extension that allows me to download the movie
19:21 < AStorm> and then, you can play it in mplayer
19:22 < sepp> how user friendly, just tell joe random user that he can use wget and mplayer to watch youtube crap :P
19:23 < AStorm> wget?
19:23 < AStorm> Why wget?
19:23 < AStorm> It's a firefox plugin, dammit
19:23 < AStorm> and it shows a typical download window
19:23 < AStorm> If you've mplayer bound to flv filetype, you can open the movie directly even
19:25 < sepp> :)
19:25 < AStorm> mplayer or gmplayer, maybe even gxine or kaffeine
19:25 < AStorm> or kmplayer
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19:31 < CIA-18> rene * r23170 /branches/6.0/package/base/suspend/ (10 files):
19:31 < CIA-18> * merged r20433, r21456, r21458, r21459 from trunk: added
19:31 < CIA-18> suspend (2007-02-23) - Some userland tools to suspend a Linux system
19:33 < AStorm> Hey guys, I've bought one of these:
19:33 < AStorm> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patriot-Xporter-Extreme-Performance-Speed/dp/B000HI3WVY
19:33 < AStorm> (except not from amazon)
19:34 < AStorm> Good pick?
19:34 < AStorm> According to some PC World tests, it does achieve 31 MB/s read and 25 MB/s write
19:35 < AStorm> That's better than my laptop SATA drive :P
19:35 < AStorm> There's an 8GB model too
19:36 < AStorm> It was tested to be waterproof too
19:36 < AStorm> and survived being boiled, frozen and dropped into beer :P
19:38 < sepp> lol
19:38 < AStorm> That's some rugged hardware, eh? :P
19:40 < AStorm> Most other didn't fail when dropped into a glass of water, but required lengthy drying
19:40 < AStorm> also didn't fail the freeze
19:40 < AStorm> But boil and beer test were too much for most of them :P
20:03 < LMJ> moin moin
20:03 < AStorm> niom niom
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22:27 < robschi> Where can I find bootable isos (i386, x86_64)? The links at www.t2-project.org do not work.
22:28 < sepp> the university link?
22:28 < robschi> sepp: yes
22:29 < sepp> uhm, i dont know, i guess they have students borrowing cables or something stupid :p
22:29 < sepp> or mismanagement
22:30 < robschi> yes, it looks like so
22:30 < sepp> :(
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