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07:50 < Capey> rxr: some sched stuff is missing, might be more
07:54 < Capey> and network stuff
07:58 < Capey> those are the one's i encountered so far while building busybox
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11:19 < rxr> re
11:19 < rxr> this all built fine here
11:19 < rxr> Capey: even the whole desktop stuff containing T-Resc was built with the uClibc we have in trunk
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11:47 < AStorm> Heh, this time I'll try with the t2 livecd as a base.
11:47 < AStorm> Is the t2-resc useful for that?
11:47 < rxr> t2-resc is a more specialized rescue setup
11:48 < rxr> using some non mainstream components such as uClibc, minit and kdrive X ...
11:48 < rxr> it is special, fast and l33t, ...
11:48 < AStorm> Hm.
11:48 < AStorm> Yep.
11:48 < AStorm> I'd use uclibc on the main system myself, except it doesn't have good NLS support.
11:48 < AStorm> Most everything compiles against it :-)
11:48 < AStorm> Or have you fixed the NLS support?
11:49 < rxr> not me
11:49 < AStorm> (also - does that work correctly on x86_64 with multilib?)
11:49 < rxr> good point, I have not tested uClibc multilib
11:49 < rxr> but was we do not have a 32bit uclibc counterpart I doubt :-)
11:49 < AStorm> I wonder... if binary apps linking against some 32-bit libc would work.
11:49 < rxr> the system will be pure 64bit
11:49 < AStorm> :>
11:50 < AStorm> It will do.
11:50 < AStorm> I'll just won't install Opera.
11:50 < AStorm> And kill my machine compiling OpenOffice :P
11:51 < AStorm> BTW, do you have that in non-binary form?
11:52 < AStorm> Their build system is... tricky.
11:53 < rxr> we only have OpenOffice from source
11:53 < rxr> in the past it used to build, then gcc-4.1 broke it
11:54 < rxr> I wanted to fix it before CeBIT next week but missed the time
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12:26 < rxr> hi d-marc 
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12:28 < d-marc> hello!
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13:28 < rxr> Hm, PSP Linux support is further than I thought: http://df38.dot5hosting.com/~remember/chris/
13:28 < rxr> maybe it's time to get one :-)
13:29 < rxr> especially as the damned Psion 5MX display flexray cable repair tweak I tried yesterday did not even overlived building the damn thing together again
13:29 < rxr> at least I now know the inside of the 5MX, that the PCB has 6 layers and that I'll never again buy a device fix flexible display plastic wire connection (tm)
13:31 < Capey> heh that psp looks cool... quite a high price tho
13:32 < Capey> quite accurate display
13:33 < rxr> looks on the linux progres for some time now, as I do not have the time for months of reverse engenieering myself anymore ...
13:33 < rxr> but with Linux a nice tool indeed 
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14:49 < rxr> re
15:24 < AStorm> Hmmm...
15:24 < AStorm> What would I have to do in order to add gcc-4.2.0-snapshot and gcc-4.3.0-snapshot to T2?
15:24 < AStorm> (yes, both)
15:24 < AStorm> Also older gccs.
15:25 < AStorm> Do you support "slots" of some kind?
15:27 < AStorm> Or should I add support for that myself?
15:27 < AStorm> A full development cross-system is required.
15:27 < AStorm> (I mean, I need one)
15:28 < AStorm> With multiple crosscompilers (arm, sh, x86, mingw, cygwin)
15:29 < AStorm> Also, different programming languages for each of these, where applicable
15:29 < d-marc> AStorm: I need that too ;)
15:29 < AStorm> and all 3 libcs
15:29 < AStorm> In multilib where applicable too.
15:30 < AStorm> T2 is currently too weak for that :|
15:30 < AStorm> Gentoo too, even more.
15:30 < AStorm> I'll try hacking T2.
15:43 < Capey> there has been some discussion on adding support for multiple package versions, but i dont know if thats ever implemented
15:45 < Capey> i know that target can override package versions but i'm not sure if thats what you want
15:54 < AStorm> It's definitely not what I want.
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17:10 < rxr> re
17:11 < AStorm> er
17:11 < rxr> well - when er forked off of ROCK Linux they had support for package forks
17:11 < rxr> however most of us found that so evil that we removed that feature
17:12 < rxr> basically it allowed adding conditionals into the package .desc and conf and build the package under an alias such as
17:12 < rxr> Build-Pkg gcc=gcc-42 and so on
17:12 < rxr> maybe you also think about what you need and we draft something perfect, not such an quick hack
17:13 < rxr> also we should add some "feature" so that binary packages are not downloaded for all architectures
17:13 < rxr> right now when you e.g. download some java binary package you get e.g. 4 downlods for x86, x86-64, ia64, ppc, ... 
17:13 < rxr> idealy the build system should just download the one required ...
17:14 < rxr> ROCK Linux solves this with conditionls in the .desc like #if arch == x86-64
17:14 < rxr> however as I wrote a above this was soo evil that we reverted those fluff
17:14 < rxr> (it really caused eye cancer ...)
17:18 < rxr> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9011975&pageNumber=1
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17:46 < CIA-8> rene * r22919 /trunk/package/develop/hte/hte.desc: * updated hte (2.0beta3 -> 2.0beta6)
17:53 < TobiX> Wow. 17 commits already today, I know projects that don't get this much commits in a month :)
17:54 < rxr> TobiX: :-)
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19:28 < AStorm> rxr, I postulate something as simple as slots :>
19:28 < AStorm> A simple bash variable describing the slot, could be anything.
19:28 < AStorm> ="" by default
19:29 < AStorm> Each slot treated like a separate version of package.
19:30 < AStorm> The requirement is that one slot cannot overwrite the other's files
19:30 < AStorm> Which means that a package with ="" cannot be slotted at all.
19:30 < AStorm> The slottable packages could contain: [S] myslot
19:31 < AStorm> [S] 4.0.x
19:31 < AStorm> you could call it a [V] or [T], doesn't matter :>
19:32 < AStorm> Could be also used for different architecture binaries, if you wish so:
19:32 < AStorm> [T] x86-4.0.x
19:32 < AStorm> [T] x86_64-4.0.x
19:32 < AStorm> But then, the conditionals :P
19:33 < AStorm> I actually think that reading ebuild spec from Gentoo could help a bit in this regard. But keep the automatic build system.
19:34 < AStorm> (exception: add cmake support, should be simple - I'll work on that myself probably )
19:35 < AStorm> Other niceties would be: cvs/svn/git support.
19:35 < AStorm> As special URLs, maybe?
19:36 < AStorm> Sample: git://[USER@]HOST/REPO[#TAG]
19:36 < AStorm> http+git://...
19:37 < AStorm> svn://...
19:37 < AStorm> http+svn://
19:37 < AStorm> https+svn://
19:38 < AStorm> cvs://[:passwd:|something else][USER@]HOST/REPO[#TAG]
19:38 < AStorm> Whoops:
19:38 < AStorm> cvs://[:passwd:|something else][USER[:PASS]@]HOST/REPO[#TAG]
19:38 < AStorm> Other can have password too.
19:39 < rxr> we already support svn and git in [D] tags :-)
19:39 < AStorm> Good!
19:39 < rxr> and CVS
19:39 < AStorm> That's 80% of the work.
19:39 < rxr> git:// is only preleminary though ...
19:39 < AStorm> So, I'll add Darcs too :>
19:39 < AStorm> And Mercurial. Then it will be 99% complete.
19:40 < rxr> heh
19:40 < AStorm> Maybe, for evil people: sftp://...
19:42 < AStorm> Ok, now, I'll try _again_ to install T2. This time using the T2-Resc CD.
19:42 < AStorm> This should better work :>
19:43 < AStorm> (of course, in a chroot, not booting from it - I need x86_64)
19:44 < AStorm> rxr, anyway, have you considered adding that STAGE0-NO-CHECK flag I mentioned? I can provide a simple patch.
19:44 < AStorm> (for autoconf and some other package)
19:44 < AStorm> (that was flex, I think)
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19:49 < CIA-8> rene * r22921 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
19:49 < CIA-8> Tobias Gruetzmacher <tobias@portfolio16.de>:
19:49 < CIA-8>  * fixed some more shebangs to point to bash instead of just sh
19:51 < AStorm> rxr, which shebangs?
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19:57 < rxr> AStorm: of two build scripts and an mkinitrd invocation
19:58 < rxr> you can use svn diff -c 22921 to review this change easily
19:58 < rxr> this is for scripts that use bashisms ...
19:58 < AStorm> :-)
19:58 < AStorm> What do you consider bashisms?
19:59 < CIA-8> rene * r22922 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/uclibc.conf: 
19:59 < CIA-8> Tobias Gruetzmacher <tobias@portfolio16.de>:
19:59 < CIA-8>  fixed uclibc build if NLS is not disabled
20:00 < AStorm> First, I have to fix the kernel issue that makes some times appear like 8,9+e09 in the future.
20:00 < AStorm> :>
20:05 < rxr> features that are "just in bash"
20:05 < rxr> btw. the patch is not from me anyway, I just commit that from the t2 list .-)
20:06 < AStorm> Is there some nice web interface around for me to look at the commits?
20:07 < CIA-8> rene * r22923 /trunk/package/perl/perl/strange-typo-fix.patch: 
20:07 < CIA-8> Tobias Gruetzmacher <tobias@portfolio16.de>:
20:07 < CIA-8>  * fixed a missed quote in perl's makedepend.SH
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20:20 < TobiX> rxr: Thanks. You're fast :)
20:24 < rxr> sometimes .-)
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20:33 < CIA-8> * updated cairo (1.2.6 -> 1.4.0), vast performance improvements and new
20:33 < CIA-8>  functionality, tested to not cause regressions in the reference build
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20:48 < spiff2323> hello !
20:48 < rxr> hi spiff2323 
20:48 < spiff2323> i need some advide with my first T2 build
20:48 < spiff2323> advice
20:49 < spiff2323> i already downloaded t2 sources (also burnt the T2 iso into a CD), and i'd like to build a Desktop distro onto which later add up my favourite apps
20:50 < spiff2323> is "Exact Desktop" my target distribution choice?
20:53 < rxr> yes, I would say so
20:53 < rxr> did you download some release or thr 6.0 branch or trunk? 
20:53 < spiff2323> i did both, downloaded the binary for 6.0.1 (6.0.2 wasn't available for i386) and the sources
20:54 < spiff2323> for the same version
20:58 < rxr> ok - when you build this 6.0.x desktop you will get an installable CD, not live
20:58 < rxr> is that ok for you ?
21:04 < TobiX> Funny, my mailing list post generated SPF bounces... The mailing list software should probably not pretend to be me in front of SPF-aware hosts...
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21:05 < TobiX> Hmm... But it does not seem as if the mailing list software is at fault...
21:06 < spiff2323> yes, that's OK for me, i can anyway burn this ISO and install it on my HD, and later add mym fav apps
21:07 < spiff2323> i was reading the t2 manual to learn what packages are included in that target (yes i know i'm impatient ;-)
21:20 < rxr> TobiX: ah yes, noticed this once as well
21:21 < rxr> spiff2323: the package list are not listed in the handbook
21:21 < rxr> you can look what the desktop target does in target/desktop/pkgsel
21:22 < TobiX> rxr: Someone is using mail forwarding that is not SPF-aware (QSC seems to be at fault, methinks)
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21:25 < rxr> yeah - the t2 server is currently on a "private" QSC line
21:25 < rxr> this will change soon, I guess the problem will magically disappear then ...
21:26 < TobiX> So I must live with the fact that my mailing list posts will not reach people with properly configured SPF-aware mail servers...
21:27 < rxr> well - this will only last some more weeks
21:27 < rxr> I guess the only point to complain would be the QSC hotline, hm ?
21:35 < CIA-8> rene * r22927 /trunk/package/kde/basket/ (. basket.cache basket.desc): * added basket (0.6.0) - An application for organizing ideas
21:35 < CIA-8> rene * r22928 /trunk/package/develop/pwlib/pwlib.desc: * updated pwlib (1.10.3 -> 1.10.5)
21:36 < CIA-8> rene * r22929 /trunk/package/network/opal/opal.desc: * updated opal (2.2.4 -> 2.2.6)
21:37 < CIA-8> rene * r22930 /trunk/package/multimedia/ekiga/ekiga.desc: * updated ekiga (2.0.4 -> 2.0.7)
21:37 < TobiX> Yeah, if that ever gets through from first-level-support to the mail admin ;)
21:38 < rxr> yeah
21:41 < rxr> heh - lol
21:42 < rxr> I was just happy that basket built on the reference builder and now there already is basket-1.0 :-)
21:45 < CIA-8> rene * r22931 /trunk/package/kde/kalarm/kalarm.desc: * updated kalarm Url tag
21:54 < spiff2323> one more question, i've read it'll take around 1 day to build the generic one, is it really that long to build Exact Desktop too? just to make myself an idea
21:55 < rxr> depends on your CPU, disk and RAM
21:55 < rxr> the current ExactDesktop on a fast CPU (>2 GHz any brand) takes more than one days
21:55 < rxr> one day
21:55 < rxr> more like 2 days or so
21:56 < rxr> the generic build with all of our 2700 package takes half a week on a dual-core machine ... :-)
21:56 < spiff2323> wow...
21:56 < CIA-8> rene * r22932 /trunk/package/kde/basket/basket.desc: * updated basket (0.6.0 -> 1.0)
21:56 < rxr> the good old 2Ghz Athlon needs a week for a full rebuild of all packages ...
21:57 < spiff2323> can it be somehow paused-resumed ?
21:57 < rxr> either with OS suspend resume (of course)
21:57 < rxr> or when you shut down and then run Build-Target on some reboot the build continous on the last package that was interrupted
21:59 < spiff2323> great ! not that my dual core 3.4 isn't noisy, but my wife's a sharp ear and the computer's buzz annoys her
22:04 < spiff2323> i see that Generic Exact has 443 packages (not 2700) (based on pkgsel file)
22:11 < spiff2323> would then take less time?
22:11 < rxr> not Generic but Desktop yes
22:11 < rxr> the desktop just takes a day ++ a bit on a decent machine
22:11 < spiff2323> sry, i meant Desktop
22:11 < spiff2323> ok, thanks.
22:12 < spiff2323> i've configured it to use Pentium 4, will it make it much slower? is it worth the extra time compiling?
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22:19 < TobiX> rxr: Your mail headers seem to be awfully verbose... 'X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "grum.localhost" [...]'
22:19 < rxr> yeah
22:20 < rxr> guess we found a mail specialist here :-)
22:21 < TobiX> I was poking through the headers looking for which server would be the one that sends SPF-violating headers and stumbled upon yours :)
22:23 < TobiX> Hey, there are two spam reports in every mailing list post and SpamAssassin eats CPU for breakfast, so that is certainly worth fixing ;)
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23:35 < spiff2323> good nite all !
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