T2 IRC Log: 2007-02-01

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--- Log opened Thu Feb 01 00:00:43 2007
--- Day changed Thu Feb 01 2007
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00:19 < Demian> hi
00:44 < CIA-9> ragnar * r22300 /trunk/package/x11/fltk1/fltk1.conf: * fltk1: fix 64 bit builds
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07:02 < CIA-9> ragnar * r22301 /trunk/package/network/chrony/fix-headers.patch: * chrony: fix headers for x86-64
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07:36 < CIA-9> ragnar * r22302 /trunk/package/multimedia/xanim/xanim.conf: * xanim: fix 64 bit lib path
07:38 < CIA-9> ragnar * r22303 /trunk/package/x11/xv/xv.conf: * xv: fix 64 bit lib path
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09:24 < Capey> I wonder why groff touches /root/.history during configure
09:24 < Capey> and thats on stage 3, its already in chroot env...
09:51 < rxr> re
09:51 < rxr> moin
09:53 < rxr> Capey: hm - not nice
09:53 < rxr> never seen such an error though
09:53 < rxr> R4gnar0k: nice changesets :-)
10:12 < rxr> heh
10:12 < rxr> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16873608/page/4/
10:26 < rxr> heh:
10:28 < CIA-9> rene * r22304 /trunk/package/base/lvm2/lvm2.desc: * updated lvm2 (2.02.19 -> 2.02.21)
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10:38 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 6.0.2 Released! | trunk heading for 7.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
10:38 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Thu Dec 7 14:05:35 2006]
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10:38 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Nov 26 07:44:08 2006
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11:42 < mtr> rxr: what do you think about adding $arch c++/g++ wrappers, in gcc/wrappers.in:
11:42 < mtr> +gcc_build_wrapper CXX GCC ${arch_target}-c++ ${arch_target}-g++
11:43 < mtr> as T2 is able to cross compille a lot of c++ stuf now
12:02 < mtr> damn b0rken libtool .la files :(
12:07 < mtr> ok - just removing the .la files outsmarts libtool ;)
12:07 < mtr> it picks up the right .so then
12:08 < mtr> == 02/01/07 12:03:12 =[1]=> Finished building package glibmm. <-- target=mips host=x86
12:15 < rxr> hi mtr
12:15 < rxr> mtr: cool, test on my side showed the same
12:16 < rxr> we did not yet wrap the c++ cross compiler ?
12:19 < mtr> {c,g}++ wrappers are present, but not the $arch_target-{c,g}++ variants
12:19 < rxr> yeah in that case +1 from me
12:20 < rxr> I would even go so far and test onthe next ref build if generally dropping all the .la files during installation does cause regressions
12:50 < CIA-9> mtr * r22306 /trunk/package/base/gcc/wrappers.in: * added C++ toolchain wrapper scripts ($arch_target-{c,g}++)
14:21 < rxr> re
14:23 < Stelz> rehi rxr
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15:20 < rxr> re
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16:49 < CIA-9> rene * r22307 /trunk/package/network/tftp-hpa/tftp-hpa.desc: * updated tftp-hpa (0.47 -> 0.48)
16:51 < CIA-9> rene * r22308 /trunk/package/security/xyssl/xyssl.desc: * updated xyssl (0.3 -> 0.4)
16:53 < rxr> how pervers: http://blog.allmend.ch/2007/01/30/eth-zurich-mit-microsoft-logo/
16:58 < CIA-9> rene * r22309 /trunk/package/graphic/libpng/libpng.desc: * updated libpng (1.2.15 -> 1.2.16)
17:36 < Demian> hi
17:39 < rxr> hi Demian
17:40 < Demian> maese rene
17:48 < mtr> aargh: !> fl_wrapper.so: write outside basedir (/work/T2/t2): /var/tmp/sqlite_pJKYdRGQsp9JWk9
17:49 < mtr> in stage-1
17:49 < mtr> what flist variable do i have to set to ignore this? flistvalid?
17:50 < mtr> no clue how to tell sqlite not to create this temporary file ...
17:51 < rxr> oehm
17:51 < rxr> one second
17:52 < rxr> more likely flistdel
17:52 < rxr> oh - outside basedir even ...
17:52 < rxr> yeah flistvalid ...
17:52 < rxr> btw I just see we have /dev in the flistvalid
17:53 < rxr> that does not look too good
17:53 < rxr> that means a package build could create /dev/whatever and get away with that ..
17:53 < rxr> well - anyway - to-be-check when time permits ...
17:53 < rxr> guess I should open a trac entry for that ...
18:07 < mtr> hmm, adding /var and var to flistvalid does not help, something special in stage-1 perhaps ...
18:13 < mtr> its fl_wrapper.so in toolchain and cross stage and it allows only write access below $base
18:14 < mtr> thats what we want ;)
18:16 < mtr> beside $base only /dev/null and /tmp are valid ...
18:17 < Demian> i wonder how other build-based distros handle file installed/modified during a build install ?
18:18 < Demian> t2 and rock use file list wrapper, which overwrite some syscalls, and do some checks before and after.
18:18 < Demian> (if they still do that way, not sure)
18:19 < rxr> Demian: other build systems are extemly low-features
18:19 < rxr> none is as versatile as T2
18:20 < rxr> (there are so many bug fixes and improvemnts in T2 that you can not compare it to ROCK Linux anymore ...)
18:20 < rxr> anyway - RPM based systems rely that DESTDIR works
18:21 < rxr> they install everyting into some /rpm-root/just-for-packaging and tar the archive the result
18:21 < rxr> if something does not honor DESTDIR then "Ooops" - it's not archived and messed into the build system
18:23 < Demian> i see.
18:23 < Demian> it would be nice to take a look at the t2 flistwrapper then..
18:23 < rxr> I have not looked what Debian does - maybe they use their "fakeroot"
18:24 < Demian> svn url ?
18:24 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/misc/tools-source/fl_wrapper.c.sh
18:24 < Demian> ok
18:28 < Demian> umm. autogenerated.
18:30 < rxr> nope
18:30 < rxr> the resulting file is autogenerated out of this one
18:30 < rxr> this is the same as with the ROCK Linux one
18:30 < rxr> this is just the speed, up, fixed and feature improved version :-)
18:30 < rxr> after all T2 still shares the ROCK Linux roots, just some ten thousand revision a-head
18:31 < Demian> :)
18:33 < Demian> when i wrote what is analog in hdw linux, i did it using slow and low-performance parametrized 'find' command lines. :p
18:33 < rxr> ROCK Linux @ 8192 - T2 @ r22309
18:33 < rxr> well - we suppost fine and strace, too
18:34 < rxr> though not recommended
18:34 < rxr> the problem with find is anyway that is dog slow, does not track read access and does not allow parallel package compilation
18:34 < rxr> we track read access to auto-generate the build dependencies
18:34 < rxr> that is what the .cache files contain
18:36 < Demian> yup. i always liked the LD_PRELOAD hack for independent builds.
18:36 < rxr> waah!
18:36 < rxr> the ROCK Linux folks are more crazzy now
18:37 < Demian> why?
18:37 < rxr> I did a svn up just to grab the HEAD revision to post here and now watch this:
18:37 < rxr> A package/base/libogg
18:37 < rxr> A package/base/libogg/libogg.desc
18:37 < rxr> U package/base/lame/lame.desc
18:37 < rxr> what the heck do those fany multi media things do in base ?!?!?!?!?!?!?
18:37 < rxr> well - anyway, I know why we forked and our progress underlines the success story :-)
18:37 < Demian> should be at multimedia
18:38 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png
18:39 < rxr> Demian: in the Open T2 SDE they are @: package/audio/{libogg,lame}
18:49 < Demian> jvargas@altair:~/projects/t2/trunk> ls package/ | wc -l
18:49 < Demian> 60
18:51 < rxr> what do you look for ? number of packages ?
18:54 < CIA-9> rene * r22310 /trunk/package/e17/ (36 files in 35 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:54 < CIA-9> * updated e17 (2006-11-04 -> 2007-01-26), including:
18:54 < CIA-9> * updated evidence (2006-11-04 -> 2007-01-26)
18:54 < CIA-9> * updated etk (2006-11-04 -> 2007-01-26)
18:54 < CIA-9> * updated examine (2006-11-04 -> 2007-01-26)
18:54 < CIA-9> * updated engage (2006-11-04 -> 2007-01-26)
18:54 < CIA-9> * updated envision (2006-11-04 -> 2007-01-26)
18:58 < Demian> nah, just wanted to know the number of categories.
18:58 < Demian> it seems that rock still uses 'developer' named categories
18:58 < Demian> and there are several base packages that i consider not base at all.
18:59 < Demian> btw rene, is e17 usable now ?
19:00 < Demian> e17 development has been very slow.
19:02 < rxr> e17 develop actually pretty rapid
19:02 < rxr> they are just rewriting monthly :-)
19:02 < rxr> I do not use e17 myself
19:02 < rxr> but Yellow Dog is shipping it with their PS3 Linux ...
19:02 < rxr> and others here use it ..
19:02 < Demian> i see. not good change design so often :-/
19:02 < rxr> I, however, use the Evas 2D Canvas library for my stuff
19:03 < rxr> e.g. for:
19:03 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/exact-image/edisplay.html
19:03 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/macosd/
19:03 < rxr> and co ...
19:05 < Demian> i see.
19:08 < CIA-9> rene * r22311 /trunk/package/graphic/exact-image/exact-image.desc: * updated exact-image (0.3.2 -> 0.3.3)
19:09 < Demian> just coded an app to control some software through bluetooth. for mobile devices.
19:09 < rxr> :-) bluetooth is quite nice indeed
19:09 < Demian> currently i wrote it in j2me at client's side, and .net at server's side, but i would like to make it run on mono. i think it won't be any problem.
19:10 < Demian> but in windows for example, i make it available as a icon tray app. wanna do that for gnome.
19:11 < Demian> currently i only control Winamp, i would like to do it for xmms or other media players.
19:11 < R4gnar0k> moinmoin :)
19:12 < Demian> what you want to control is named a profile, there is a winamp profile for example, i will host it soon at svn to receive feedback. i plan to manage one version for mono, and one for ms .net, client will always be j2me.
19:13 < Demian> i would like people could switch their music and pause/stop video playback wile resting in bed like me :-)
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19:17 < rxr> old-style IR control via the cell is also quite nice to have (tm)
19:17 < rxr> moin R4gnar0k
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19:18 * rxr off evening dinner and such - cu all
19:18 < R4gnar0k> cya lol
19:21 < Demian> bye rxr
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19:28 < misl> hi folks
19:29 < Stelz> rehi misl
19:40 < R4gnar0k> gah
19:41 < R4gnar0k> why doesn't this work: sed -n -i -e '/^[a-z_]+=.*$/I { p }' libtool
19:41 < Demian> hi misl
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20:06 < Stelz> hello zod
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20:21 < juergen66> Hi...
20:21 < juergen66> It's working for everybody else, isn't it :-/
20:22 < juergen66> 'It' being the uClibc based t2-resc build, of course.
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20:30 < R4gnar0k> I dunno haven't played with uclibc in a while
20:34 < CIA-9> ragnar * r22312 /trunk/package/x11/blackbox/blackbox.conf: * blackbox: (ugly) fix for 64 bit build
20:52 < juergen66> I removed the flist for linux-headers and it seems to work for now.
20:57 < CIA-9> ragnar * r22313 /trunk/package/scientific/ploticus/ploticus.conf: * ploticus: fix 64 bit lib paths
21:09 < CIA-9> ragnar * r22314 /trunk/package/security/srm/fix-includes.patch: * srm: fix header files (include linux/fs.h and change sequence)
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23:00 < juergen66> Bye!
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