T2 IRC Log: 2007-01-12

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--- Log opened Fri Jan 12 00:00:59 2007
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00:37 < Demian> bye
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08:47 < rxr> moin
08:47 < rxr> WorkBacon: well - the installer is our weakest point
08:47 < rxr> WorkBacon: but the bcm* broadcom open source driver is suppost to work fine in t2
08:47 [Users #t2]
08:47 [@ChanServ] [ Demian] [ LMJ] [ r4gnar0k] [ Stelz ] [ WorkBacon]
08:47 [ CIA-9 ] [ emte__] [ mtr] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
08:47 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal]
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09:28 < rxr> hi emte
09:29 < emte> hey
09:29 < emte> i hate windows
09:30 < CIA-9> rene * r21832 /trunk/package/perl/perl-mime-types/perl-mime-types.desc: * updated perl-mime-types (1.16 -> 1.18)
09:34 < rxr> emte: :-)
09:35 < CIA-9> rene * r21833 /trunk/package/perl/perl-mail-box/perl-mail-box.desc: * updated perl-mail-box (2.066 -> 2.069)
09:35 < emte> i wish i knew why it has locked the com ports
09:35 < CIA-9> rene * r21834 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution/evolution.desc: * updated evolution (2.9.4 -> 2.9.5)
09:35 < CIA-9> rene * r21835 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution-data-server/evolution-data-server.desc: * updated evolution-data-server (1.9.4 -> 1.9.5)
09:36 < rxr> emte: excuse me ?
09:36 < CIA-9> rene * r21836 /trunk/package/security/libksba/libksba.desc: * updated libksba (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
09:36 < emte> my current reason for hating it
09:36 < emte> somehow it has locked com1 and com3
09:37 < emte> which is not making my bootloader happy
09:38 < CIA-9> rene * r21837 /trunk/package/base/tree/tree.desc: * updated tree (1.5.0 -> 1.5.1)
09:44 < CIA-9> rene * r21838 /trunk/package/perl/perl-image-size/perl-image-size.desc: * updated perl-image-size (2.992 -> 3.01)
09:50 < rxr> http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2386
09:58 < emte> i'd still buy an hp or gateway tablet over that
09:58 < emte> prefer to be able to have a keyboard and turn it around to protect the display
09:59 < emte> that and apple charges stupid prices
09:59 < rxr> emte: that is not from apple anyway, it is from a company modding the Apple beasts ...
10:00 < emte> might as well be from apple
10:00 < rxr> and yes, if I woudl not need to have one I would also not buy Apple hw current, due to the lack of quality ...
10:00 < emte> looks like it would cost you ~5k in total
10:00 < CIA-9> rene * r21839 /trunk/package/perl/perl-crypt-des/perl-crypt-des.desc: * updated perl-crypt-des (2.03 -> 2.05)
10:01 < emte> they dont really specify if the mod itself costs 2.2k or if that includes the original macbook
10:01 < CIA-9> rene * r21840 /trunk/package/multimedia/gxine/gxine.desc: * updated gxine (0.5.9 -> 0.5.10)
10:02 < emte> includes the macbook
10:02 < emte> just read that section
10:02 < CIA-9> rene * r21841 /trunk/package/office/libofx/libofx.desc: * updated libofx (0.8.2 -> 0.8.3)
10:02 < emte> bottom line one by the looks as well
10:03 < CIA-9> rene * r21842 /trunk/package/games/freedroid_rpg/freedroid_rpg.desc: * updated freedroid_rpg (0.9.13 -> 0.10.0)
10:03 < CIA-9> rene * r21843 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayerplug-in/mplayerplug-in.desc: * updated mplayerplug-in (3.25 -> 3.35)
10:03 < CIA-9> rene * r21844 /trunk/package/multimedia/live/live.desc: * updated live (2006.12.31 -> 2007.01.09)
10:04 * emte wonders if apple really thinks its ready to go against sony and the other big boys
10:04 < emte> http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2341
10:06 < emte> the impact of MS and the Zune should be quickly coming into the lime light
10:06 < emte> i wonder if it will kill itunes
10:09 < emte> time for a nap
10:20 < CIA-9> rene * r21845 /trunk/package/perl/perl-image-info/perl-image-info.desc: * updated perl-image-info (1.17 -> 1.23)
10:20 < CIA-9> rene * r21846 /trunk/package/perl/perl-tie-dbi/perl-tie-dbi.desc: * updated perl-tie-dbi (1.01 -> 1.02)
10:20 < CIA-9> rene * r21847 /trunk/package/perl/perl-dbi/perl-dbi.desc: * updated perl-dbi (1.48 -> 1.53)
10:20 < CIA-9> rene * r21848 /trunk/package/perl/perl-cgi-ajax/perl-cgi-ajax.desc: * updated perl-cgi-ajax (0.684 -> 0.697)
10:20 < CIA-9> rene * r21849 /trunk/package/perl/perl-html-template/perl-html-template.desc: * updated perl-html-template (2.7 -> 2.8)
10:21 < CIA-9> rene * r21850 /trunk/package/security/libfwbuilder/libfwbuilder.desc: * updated libfwbuilder (2.1.7 -> 2.1.8)
10:26 < CIA-9> rene * r21851 /trunk/package/security/fwbuilder/fwbuilder.desc: * updated fwbuilder (2.1.7 -> 2.1.8)
10:27 < rxr> sleep well emte
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11:23 < CIA-9> rene * r21852 /trunk/package/mail/mew/mew.desc: * updated mew (5.1 -> 5.2)
11:27 < Stelz> rehi all
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11:45 < rxr> hi Stelz
11:46 < Stelz> hi rxr
11:52 < CIA-9> rene * r21853 /trunk/package/textproc/msort/msort.desc: * updated msort (8.34 -> 8.35)
13:23 < CIA-9> rene * r21854 /trunk/package/games/nexuiz/nexuiz.desc: * updated nexuiz (2.1 -> v222)
13:29 < CIA-9> rene * r21855 /trunk/package/graphic/gsview/gsview.desc: * updated gsview (4.7 -> 4.8)
14:03 < CIA-9> rene * r21856 /branches/6.0/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf:
14:03 < CIA-9> * fixed gcc to not build with version specific run-time libs natively
14:03 < CIA-9> and without at the cross stage
14:03 < CIA-9> * removed associated hackery
14:03 < CIA-9> => tested in a full reference build
14:08 < CIA-9> rene * r21857 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf:
14:08 < CIA-9> * merged r21856 from branche/6.0: fixed gcc version-specific-runtime-libs
14:08 < CIA-9> configuration and associated hackery
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14:20 < CIA-9> rene * r21858 /trunk/package/graphic/jhead/jhead.desc: * updated jhead (2.6 -> 2.7)
14:25 < rxr> "How to Run Linux Inside Linux with User Mode Linux"
14:25 < rxr> ^- wow, Linux three times in one headline ...
14:25 < rxr> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/01/05/0413248
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14:38 < misl> hi folks
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15:24 < CIA-9> rene * r21859 /branches/6.0/architecture/share/kernel-common.conf.m4: * merged r21773 from trunk: enabled legacy serial/parallel support in our default kernels
15:29 < CIA-9> rene * r21860 /branches/6.0/package/xorg/xf86-video-nsc/ (compile.patch xf86-video-nsc.conf xf86-video-nsc.desc):
15:29 < CIA-9> * merged r18431 and r18555 from trunk: updated xf86-video-nsc
15:29 < CIA-9> (2.7.6.5 -> 2.8.1), added Geode LX patch and fixed it to build
15:29 < CIA-9> with xorg-server 1.0.x as present in the 6.0 branch
15:56 < CIA-9> rene * r21861 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-make/gnustep-make.desc: * updated gnustep-make (1.12.0 -> 1.13.0)
15:56 < CIA-9> rene * r21862 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-back/gnustep-back.desc: * updated gnustep-back (0.10.3 -> 0.11.0)
15:56 < CIA-9> rene * r21863 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-base/gnustep-base.desc: * updated gnustep-base (1.12.0 -> 1.13.0)
15:56 < CIA-9> rene * r21864 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-gui/gnustep-gui.desc: * updated gnustep-gui (0.10.3 -> 0.11.0)
15:58 < CIA-9> rene * r21865 /trunk/package/compat/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * build the libstdc++-v3* packages by default (so they are tested in the reference build)
16:01 < CIA-9> rene * r21866 /branches/6.0/package/compat/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * merged r21865 from trunk: build the libstdc++-v3* packages by default
16:16 < LMJ> moin moin
16:30 < rxr> moin moin LMJ
16:34 < LMJ> how are you rxr ?
16:34 < rxr> how very fine
16:34 < rxr> things run quite smooth currently ... :)
16:35 < rxr> and for you ?
16:35 [Users #t2]
16:35 [@ChanServ] [ Demian] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
16:35 [ CIA-9 ] [ emte__] [ LMJ ] [ r4gnar0k] [ Stelz] [ WorkBacon]
16:35 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
16:37 < LMJ> back from work, preparing an intranet migration for the next week, running smootly too
16:42 < rxr> do you use something t2 related at work? or all other OS flavouurs ?
16:43 < CIA-9> rene * r21867 /trunk/package/gnustep/gworkspace/gworkspace.desc: * updated gworkspace (0.8.2 -> 0.8.3)
16:47 < LMJ> infortunatly, no t2 around YET
16:47 < LMJ> but i thing i will inject t2 sooner or later anyway ;)
17:03 < rxr> Apple is DRM's Biggest Backer
17:03 < rxr> http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/01/12/1349218.shtml
17:05 < WorkBacon> nexus.tfh-berline.de is down
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17:49 < rxr> WorkBacon: yeah - that is not our server, it is some FreeBSD box the admins play with continously ... :-(
17:49 < rxr> I can notify them, though :-)
17:50 < WorkBacon> if 6.0.2 is the latest, why does it only have a sparc iso?
17:52 < rxr> because it is a mostly sparc fixes release :-)
17:52 < rxr> you can likewise grab the 6.0.1 and scripts/Emerge-Pkg -system the only few security and co related updates :-)
17:53 < WorkBacon> that's what I'm doing
17:53 < WorkBacon> well, I'll install 6.0.1 and let the whatever system update all the stuff
18:23 < WorkBacon> does T2 have writable NTFS support?
19:00 < WorkBacon> houston, we have a problem
19:01 < WorkBacon> I burned a 601 cd, inserted it in the laptop, booted, but all I get is a grub prompt, not the screen shown in the install instructions
19:07 < rxr> but the grub entry boots linux, right ?
19:22 < WorkBacon> no, grub cli
19:23 < WorkBacon> (I'm not a newb fyi, I've been using linux for 10+ years and can recover a system from teh grub cli, this is just unnerving that the installer doesn't seem to work for me)
19:42 < emte__> grub has a cli mode?
19:43 * emte__ notes i hate grub and replace it with lilo at every chance
19:43 -!- emte__ is now known as emte
19:43 < WorkBacon> grub cli is one reason I use it instead of lilo
19:43 < emte> ?
19:43 < WorkBacon> yes, teh screen says 'grub>'
19:44 < WorkBacon> and I could, under different circumstances, choose a non-standard kernel, initrd, and other otpions to use before booting
19:44 < WorkBacon> next best thing to a proper PROM
19:45 < emte> can do all those in lilo as well
19:45 < emte> with a simpler device path
19:45 < emte> :)
19:45 < WorkBacon> I'm not talking about the conffile
19:45 < WorkBacon> all I ever got from lilo on a busted system in LI
19:45 < WorkBacon> s/in/is/
19:46 < emte> you can get that from any bootloader
19:46 < emte> just pop in a floppy and your golden again :)
19:47 < emte> or a CD
19:47 < WorkBacon> floppy?
19:47 < emte> any bootable media with lilo on it
19:47 < WorkBacon> anyway, the point is that the CD doesn't work
19:47 < emte> i've even used other install disks
19:48 < emte> probably just a fb setting
19:48 < WorkBacon> an fb setting causes it to not boot into teh installer at all?
19:48 < emte> never tried to build and install the full T2 distro
19:49 < emte> i've had fb installer problems with other distro installers
19:49 < emte> it hangs or it just wont display anything
19:49 < WorkBacon> all I did was download the x86-64 iso for my Turion64, burned it, booted it, and got 'grub>'
19:49 * WorkBacon sighs
19:49 < emte> hmm
19:49 < emte> that sounds more like a path issue ...
19:50 < WorkBacon> maybe I should just put suse 10.2 on my laptop instead, I want to be lazy
19:50 < emte> you have a sata drive?
19:50 < WorkBacon> no
19:50 < emte> odd then, used to happen with the old ata settings before they became standard
19:52 < emte> so it boots properly on your laptop?
19:53 < WorkBacon> t2 has never booted properly, today is the first time I've tried
19:53 < WorkBacon> vista64 installed fine, XP Home, XP Pro, no extra drivers needed to do a basic install
19:53 < emte> well if it doesnt boot properly then maybe it has a bad grub.conf
19:53 < WorkBacon> I've even run Suse 10 and 10.1 on it before too
19:54 < emte> can you read the conf from the cli mode?
19:55 < WorkBacon> I can open it on this winbox
19:55 < emte> that doesnt tell if it was parsed properly when the iso was built ...
19:56 < WorkBacon> rebooting...
19:58 < WorkBacon> now, what exactly do you need?
19:58 < emte> just a list of options availible to grub
19:58 < emte> or what it's parsed conf contained when it was created
19:59 < WorkBacon> when I type 'cat(' then hit tab, t shows 8 floopy drives, and one hard drive
19:59 < WorkBacon> it doesn't even see the CD that I can tell
19:59 < emte> 8 floppy frives?
19:59 < WorkBacon> I have 0 floppies, it just lists fd0-fd7
20:00 < emte> do you know the path to your cd drive?
20:00 < WorkBacon> it should be hd2 I think
20:01 < WorkBacon> or, (cd) I guess in grubspeek
20:01 < emte> has grub finally switched to using normal device names?
20:02 < WorkBacon> not completely
20:03 < emte> looks like you could try to use the map command
20:03 < emte> to your cd drive
20:06 < emte> strange it does not see your CD drive
20:07 < WorkBacon> yes, since it just booted off it
20:07 < emte> grub apperently builds for it by default
20:07 < emte> booting and running are different things
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20:27 < emte_> dumb thing
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