T2 IRC Log: 2006-12-24
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--- Log opened Sun Dec 24 00:00:45 2006
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07:40 < LMJ> moin moin
09:50 < rxr> re
09:50 [Users #t2]
09:50 [@ChanServ] [ Capey] [ Demian] [ LMJ] [ rxr ] [ tigger^ ]
09:50 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-9] [ emte ] [ mtr] [ Stelz] [ valentin]
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09:55 < Stelz> rehi
09:55 < rxr> hi and merry christmas to all celebrating it :-)!
09:59 < Stelz> merry xmas rxr :D
10:00 < Stelz> and our xmas will be 2 weeks later..
10:00 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
10:00 < Stelz> moin misl
10:01 < misl> :-)
10:01 < misl> hi Stelz
10:01 < misl> you beat me again :-)
10:01 < misl> hi folks
10:08 < rxr> moin misl
10:09 < misl> hi rxr
10:09 < misl> how's life ?
10:09 < rxr> oh - quite good, as usual, thanks
10:10 < rxr> and merry christmas to you and the family
10:10 < rxr> I hope you are good as well ?
10:10 < misl> Yes all here well too, thx
10:10 < misl> And Merry X-mas to you and Susan too
10:10 < misl> in fact, marry X-mas to you all :-)
10:11 < Stelz> exscept me :D
10:11 < misl> why Stelz
10:11 < misl> ?
10:11 < misl> I wish you a merry X-mas too :)
10:11 < Stelz> cause we celebrate xmas @ 7 jan
10:11 < Stelz> :D
10:11 < Stelz> ah thx
10:11 < Stelz> merry xmas anyway :P
10:12 < misl> Ahh, well then I am early ;-)
10:12 < misl> thx Stelz
10:19 < rxr> Microsoft Applies to Patent RSS in Vista
10:19 < rxr> ...
10:20 < Stelz> mpg123 0.62 released
10:20 < Stelz> and ncurses 5,6 too..
10:20 < rxr> Stelz: ack - saw it updated it on reference builder
10:20 < rxr> ack, too
10:20 < Stelz> :)
10:20 < rxr> however feel free to test and commit locally
10:20 < rxr> my refrence builder might needs some minutes to hit the package
10:20 < Stelz> rxr: i don have working linux-box right now :)
10:20 < rxr> right now I have many uncommited updates on the refernce builder
10:20 < rxr> Stelz: oh, ok
10:21 < Stelz> rxr: till i import bsd-kcore in T2 :)
10:21 < Stelz> *core
10:21 < rxr> # svn st package/ | wc -l
10:25 < rxr> 42
10:25 < rxr> ...
10:31 < rxr> and that is only the reference builder, mostly pure updates and additions
10:31 < rxr> on my every day laptops I have some other more interesting changes in the working queue
10:32 < rxr> misl: there is apache-ant 1.7.0, is that stable and we could update it ?
10:37 < misl> rxr: It is already on my list ;-)
10:39 < misl> I also have updates for IBM jre/jdk 131 and 142
11:02 < rxr> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2006/12/website-does-not-make-you-smart.html
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12:01 < CIA-9> msluis * r21417 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-131/ibm-jre-131.desc: * updated ibm-jre-131 (1.3.1-SR10 -> 1.3.1-SR10-1)
12:01 < CIA-9> msluis * r21418 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-131/ibm-jdk-131.desc: * updated ibm-jdk-131 (1.3.1-SR10 -> 1.3.1-SR10-1)
12:01 < CIA-9> msluis * r21419 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-142/ibm-jdk-142.desc: * updated ibm-jdk-142 (1.4.2-SR6 -> 1.4.2-SR7)
12:02 < CIA-9> msluis * r21420 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-142/ (ibm-jre-142.desc java-ibm-conf.in): * updated ibm-jre-142 (1.4.2-SR6 -> 1.4.2-SR7)
12:25 < CIA-9> rene * r21421 /trunk/package/base/ncurses/ (4 files): * updated ncurses (5.5 -> 5.6)
12:29 < CIA-9> rene * r21422 /trunk/package/develop/autogen/autogen.desc: * updated autogen (5.8.7 -> 5.8.8)
12:32 < CIA-9> rene * r21423 /trunk/package/gnome2/atk/atk.desc: * updated atk (1.12.3 -> 1.12.4)
12:40 < CIA-9> rene * r21424 /trunk/package/dictionary/aspell/ (aspell.desc gcc41.patch): * updated aspell (0.60.4 -> 0.60.5)
12:46 < CIA-9> rene * r21425 /trunk/package/network/aoetools/aoetools.desc: * updated aoetools (12 -> 13)
12:53 < CIA-9> rene * r21426 /trunk/package/games/ctris/ (. ctris.cache ctris.desc): * added ctris (0.42) - A Tetris clone for the console
12:54 < CIA-9> rene * r21427 /trunk/package/gnome2/orbit2/orbit2.desc: * updated orbit2 (2.14.3 -> 2.14.4)
12:58 < CIA-9> rene * r21428 /trunk/package/editors/pida/pida.desc: * updated pida (0.3.1 -> 0.4.1)
12:59 < CIA-9> rene * r21429 /trunk/package/develop/gdb/gdb.desc: * updated gdb (6.5 -> 6.6)
13:00 < CIA-9> rene * r21430 /trunk/package/develop/roundup/roundup.desc: * updated roundup (1.2.1 -> 1.3.2)
13:01 < CIA-9> rene * r21431 /trunk/package/audio/bmp/bmp.desc: * updated bmp (0.36.0 -> 0.36.1)
13:05 < CIA-9> rene * r21432 /trunk/package/contrib/vidix/vidix.desc: * updated vidix (0.9.9.2 -> 0.9.9.3)
13:06 < CIA-9> rene * r21433 /trunk/package/gnome2/at-spi/at-spi.desc: * updated at-spi (1.7.13 -> 1.7.14)
13:08 < rxr> cu - have a nice x-mas day
13:08 < Stelz> cu rxr ;-)
13:08 < CIA-9> rene * r21434 /trunk/package/develop/avrdude/avrdude.desc: * updated avrdude (5.2 -> 5.3.1)
13:09 < CIA-9> rene * r21435 /trunk/package/graphic/qingy/qingy.desc: * updated qingy (0.9.3 -> 0.9.4)
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13:16 < chemaja> i dont get it --- why is T2 so unknown in the linux world...
13:17 < chemaja> been reading up on T2 for about 5-10min now, not much hype
13:17 < chemaja> though i suppose you guys prefer it that way or something
14:10 < valentin> chemaja: go ahead and hype T2 ;)
15:02 < chemaja> valentin: why should i use it over LFS if i'm looking for a "pure vanilla" system
15:02 < chemaja> ?
15:03 < chemaja> that question IMHO should be addressed in the official FAQ :D
15:03 < chemaja> it's what all bored sysadmin fanboys want to hear ;)
15:07 < misl> chemaja: define pure vanilla ;-)
15:07 < misl> your vanilla is probably different from mine
15:07 < chemaja> misl: good point.
15:08 < chemaja> i read/observe (casually) that for a typical gnu/linux system, most core packages need patching to get them to run smooth/cohesively
15:08 < chemaja> kinda mish-mashy feeling
15:08 < chemaja> makes baby chemaja crhy
15:10 < misl> where did you read that ?
15:14 < chemaja> misl: well, i "observed" say LFS that they recommend a patchset to the vanilla tarballs to fix bugs
15:14 < chemaja> i observe that many distros eg. debian patch their upstream
15:14 < chemaja> it's not like i can just find a list of packages and grab their latest stable versions and all will be peachy
15:14 < chemaja> (or will it?)
15:15 < misl> most of that patching is already done in T2
15:16 < misl> you can pack the package (only the one already included in t2) and create your own vanilla linux
15:16 < misl> create a target for that and you can create it for different architectures
15:17 < _Ragnar_> (or even strawberry :P)
15:17 < chemaja> i suppose T2 has more auxillary support tools than LFS -- that's the primary difference that i see. though i cannot seem to find concrete features list on the site, maybe i've been hypotized by santa
15:18 < misl> of course some package fail now and then, but we try to fix those
15:18 < chemaja> misl: i think i'm going to try BOTH lfs and t2
15:18 < chemaja> that way i dont have to pain my mind any longer on christmas
15:19 < chemaja> just do-all
15:19 < misl> :-)
15:20 < _Ragnar_> =)
15:21 < chemaja> should i wait for 7.0, or just get 6.0?
15:21 < misl> chemaja: the big difference is that lfs is a one time job. If you do t2 (or rocklinux or opensde) you have something reproducable
15:21 < chemaja> jan2007 isn't far away
15:21 < chemaja> misl: you've just sold me
15:21 < misl> start with 6.0 since that one is stable
15:22 < misl> 6.0 give first times a better build experience ;-)
15:23 < _Ragnar_> ;)
15:25 < chemaja> am i insane for planning on running it on a P3 600MHz 256MB PC133 system?
15:26 < misl> not insane, but depending on what you build it will not be ready before X-mas ;-)
15:26 < chemaja> ahahahaha
15:27 < _Ragnar_> lol
15:27 < chemaja> it's 1:26AM here, apparently so im screwed on binary-dist too :P
15:27 < chemaja> ie. 25th of Dec
15:28 < misl> ahh, you're ahead of me :-)
15:28 < misl> still 24th here
15:29 < chemaja> "Linux is one of the best documented operating systems in the world!" --- hrm, i would have thought BSD would have been
15:31 < misl> chemaja: in that case you have come to right address too. Some folks are working on including BSD kernel into T2
15:31 < misl> when done, you can chose the kernel you want for you vanilla distro
15:36 < chemaja> misl: and Hurd!
15:36 < chemaja> w00t! though i think hurd doesn't support >2GB partitions, which kinda sucks
15:36 < chemaja> i'll probably stick with Leenarks
15:36 < misl> once the boilerplate stuff is done, you are free to add Hurd ;-)
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15:37 < chemaja> misl: then i can complete my GNU nerdiness
15:37 < misl> sure
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15:51 < chemaja> candy: "T2 only patches when absolutely necessary: security and bug fixes only."
15:56 < misl> chemaja: many patches get send upstream as well
15:57 < chemaja> this [ http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/t2-handbookse2.html ] is what i'm up to -- really interesting stuff
15:57 < chemaja> i figure i read, read read before i download.
16:03 < misl> I will not advertise for another project, but not everything in there is true
16:04 < misl> there are 2 more projects doing the same thing
16:05 < misl> t2 is actually a fork and t2 itself got forked
16:07 < chemaja> rock was the daddy
16:07 < chemaja> i read that already
16:08 < misl> yep
16:08 < Stelz> 18:07'20 | chemaja> rock was the daddy
16:08 < Stelz> 18:07'30 | chemaja> i read that already
16:08 < Stelz> lol
16:08 < Stelz> poetry
16:08 < misl> :) we have a poet around
16:08 < chemaja> oh dear
16:09 < misl> chemaja: give us some more, we like poetry ;-)
16:10 < chemaja> twas the night before christmas, and all through the box, not a distro was stirring, XP was the boss
16:12 < chemaja> i like the idea of automatic dep detection
16:12 < chemaja> how very robust
16:12 < chemaja> i hope it's faster than conary on rPath
16:12 < chemaja> conary brought this system to it's knees
16:13 < misl> unfortunately there is a downside to automatic dep detection
16:13 < misl> optional dependancies
16:15 < chemaja> misl: but don't you specify that prior the dep-detect run?
16:15 < misl> there is not dep-detect run
16:15 < misl> when a package gets build the deps are detected
16:15 < chemaja> how
16:17 < misl> with something we call fl_wrapper
16:17 < chemaja> i dont get how auto dep detection is a problem
16:18 < chemaja> but i dont expect to yet, i'm too noob
16:18 < misl> every package has a .cache file containing the auto detected deps
16:19 < chemaja> so?
16:19 < misl> but it does not know which ones are optional
16:19 < chemaja> misl: but doesn't the user define what configure flags he wants? a-la gentoo USE flags?
16:21 < misl> most configure flags are already part of the t2 package, but a target maintainer can overrule if necessary
16:21 < chemaja> heh
16:22 < chemaja> i think it's time for sleep. ttyl, mate
16:22 < misl> I shouldn't overload you
16:22 < misl> you will get to it soon enough
16:22 < chemaja> misl: nah it's okay
16:23 < chemaja> but if i dont sleep im going to be a zombie for xmas day
16:23 < chemaja> later
16:23 < misl> sleep well :-)
16:23 < misl> and have a nice X-mas
16:23 < chemaja> thanks, you too
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18:16 < tri> hi
18:17 < tri> i have installed t2 linux after this guide: http://www.t2-project.org/installintro.html
18:17 < tri> howto install something like x11 now ?
18:36 < tri> i think i have to checkout the t2 trunk to /usr/src/t2-trunk and than i can build the packages my self with Emerge-Pkg - would this be "right way" ?
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18:51 < tri> i have found this http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/1914# - is this what i'am searching for ?
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07:40 < LMJ> moin moin
09:50 < rxr> re
09:50 [Users #t2]
09:50 [@ChanServ] [ Capey] [ Demian] [ LMJ] [ rxr ] [ tigger^ ]
09:50 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-9] [ emte ] [ mtr] [ Stelz] [ valentin]
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09:55 < Stelz> rehi
09:55 < rxr> hi and merry christmas to all celebrating it :-)!
09:59 < Stelz> merry xmas rxr :D
10:00 < Stelz> and our xmas will be 2 weeks later..
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10:00 < Stelz> moin misl
10:01 < misl> :-)
10:01 < misl> hi Stelz
10:01 < misl> you beat me again :-)
10:01 < misl> hi folks
10:08 < rxr> moin misl
10:09 < misl> hi rxr
10:09 < misl> how's life ?
10:09 < rxr> oh - quite good, as usual, thanks
10:10 < rxr> and merry christmas to you and the family
10:10 < rxr> I hope you are good as well ?
10:10 < misl> Yes all here well too, thx
10:10 < misl> And Merry X-mas to you and Susan too
10:10 < misl> in fact, marry X-mas to you all :-)
10:11 < Stelz> exscept me :D
10:11 < misl> why Stelz
10:11 < misl> ?
10:11 < misl> I wish you a merry X-mas too :)
10:11 < Stelz> cause we celebrate xmas @ 7 jan
10:11 < Stelz> :D
10:11 < Stelz> ah thx
10:11 < Stelz> merry xmas anyway :P
10:12 < misl> Ahh, well then I am early ;-)
10:12 < misl> thx Stelz
10:19 < rxr> Microsoft Applies to Patent RSS in Vista
10:19 < rxr> ...
10:20 < Stelz> mpg123 0.62 released
10:20 < Stelz> and ncurses 5,6 too..
10:20 < rxr> Stelz: ack - saw it updated it on reference builder
10:20 < rxr> ack, too
10:20 < Stelz> :)
10:20 < rxr> however feel free to test and commit locally
10:20 < rxr> my refrence builder might needs some minutes to hit the package
10:20 < Stelz> rxr: i don have working linux-box right now :)
10:20 < rxr> right now I have many uncommited updates on the refernce builder
10:20 < rxr> Stelz: oh, ok
10:21 < Stelz> rxr: till i import bsd-kcore in T2 :)
10:21 < Stelz> *core
10:21 < rxr> # svn st package/ | wc -l
10:25 < rxr> 42
10:25 < rxr> ...
10:31 < rxr> and that is only the reference builder, mostly pure updates and additions
10:31 < rxr> on my every day laptops I have some other more interesting changes in the working queue
10:32 < rxr> misl: there is apache-ant 1.7.0, is that stable and we could update it ?
10:37 < misl> rxr: It is already on my list ;-)
10:39 < misl> I also have updates for IBM jre/jdk 131 and 142
11:02 < rxr> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2006/12/website-does-not-make-you-smart.html
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11:13 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
11:13 [ _Ragnar_] [ Demian] [ misl] [ Stelz ]
11:13 [ Capey ] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ tigger^]
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12:01 < CIA-9> msluis * r21417 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-131/ibm-jre-131.desc: * updated ibm-jre-131 (1.3.1-SR10 -> 1.3.1-SR10-1)
12:01 < CIA-9> msluis * r21418 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-131/ibm-jdk-131.desc: * updated ibm-jdk-131 (1.3.1-SR10 -> 1.3.1-SR10-1)
12:01 < CIA-9> msluis * r21419 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-142/ibm-jdk-142.desc: * updated ibm-jdk-142 (1.4.2-SR6 -> 1.4.2-SR7)
12:02 < CIA-9> msluis * r21420 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-142/ (ibm-jre-142.desc java-ibm-conf.in): * updated ibm-jre-142 (1.4.2-SR6 -> 1.4.2-SR7)
12:25 < CIA-9> rene * r21421 /trunk/package/base/ncurses/ (4 files): * updated ncurses (5.5 -> 5.6)
12:29 < CIA-9> rene * r21422 /trunk/package/develop/autogen/autogen.desc: * updated autogen (5.8.7 -> 5.8.8)
12:32 < CIA-9> rene * r21423 /trunk/package/gnome2/atk/atk.desc: * updated atk (1.12.3 -> 1.12.4)
12:40 < CIA-9> rene * r21424 /trunk/package/dictionary/aspell/ (aspell.desc gcc41.patch): * updated aspell (0.60.4 -> 0.60.5)
12:46 < CIA-9> rene * r21425 /trunk/package/network/aoetools/aoetools.desc: * updated aoetools (12 -> 13)
12:53 < CIA-9> rene * r21426 /trunk/package/games/ctris/ (. ctris.cache ctris.desc): * added ctris (0.42) - A Tetris clone for the console
12:54 < CIA-9> rene * r21427 /trunk/package/gnome2/orbit2/orbit2.desc: * updated orbit2 (2.14.3 -> 2.14.4)
12:58 < CIA-9> rene * r21428 /trunk/package/editors/pida/pida.desc: * updated pida (0.3.1 -> 0.4.1)
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13:08 < rxr> cu - have a nice x-mas day
13:08 < Stelz> cu rxr ;-)
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13:16 < chemaja> i dont get it --- why is T2 so unknown in the linux world...
13:17 < chemaja> been reading up on T2 for about 5-10min now, not much hype
13:17 < chemaja> though i suppose you guys prefer it that way or something
14:10 < valentin> chemaja: go ahead and hype T2 ;)
15:02 < chemaja> valentin: why should i use it over LFS if i'm looking for a "pure vanilla" system
15:02 < chemaja> ?
15:03 < chemaja> that question IMHO should be addressed in the official FAQ :D
15:03 < chemaja> it's what all bored sysadmin fanboys want to hear ;)
15:07 < misl> chemaja: define pure vanilla ;-)
15:07 < misl> your vanilla is probably different from mine
15:07 < chemaja> misl: good point.
15:08 < chemaja> i read/observe (casually) that for a typical gnu/linux system, most core packages need patching to get them to run smooth/cohesively
15:08 < chemaja> kinda mish-mashy feeling
15:08 < chemaja> makes baby chemaja crhy
15:10 < misl> where did you read that ?
15:14 < chemaja> misl: well, i "observed" say LFS that they recommend a patchset to the vanilla tarballs to fix bugs
15:14 < chemaja> i observe that many distros eg. debian patch their upstream
15:14 < chemaja> it's not like i can just find a list of packages and grab their latest stable versions and all will be peachy
15:14 < chemaja> (or will it?)
15:15 < misl> most of that patching is already done in T2
15:16 < misl> you can pack the package (only the one already included in t2) and create your own vanilla linux
15:16 < misl> create a target for that and you can create it for different architectures
15:17 < _Ragnar_> (or even strawberry :P)
15:17 < chemaja> i suppose T2 has more auxillary support tools than LFS -- that's the primary difference that i see. though i cannot seem to find concrete features list on the site, maybe i've been hypotized by santa
15:18 < misl> of course some package fail now and then, but we try to fix those
15:18 < chemaja> misl: i think i'm going to try BOTH lfs and t2
15:18 < chemaja> that way i dont have to pain my mind any longer on christmas
15:19 < chemaja> just do-all
15:19 < misl> :-)
15:20 < _Ragnar_> =)
15:21 < chemaja> should i wait for 7.0, or just get 6.0?
15:21 < misl> chemaja: the big difference is that lfs is a one time job. If you do t2 (or rocklinux or opensde) you have something reproducable
15:21 < chemaja> jan2007 isn't far away
15:21 < chemaja> misl: you've just sold me
15:21 < misl> start with 6.0 since that one is stable
15:22 < misl> 6.0 give first times a better build experience ;-)
15:23 < _Ragnar_> ;)
15:25 < chemaja> am i insane for planning on running it on a P3 600MHz 256MB PC133 system?
15:26 < misl> not insane, but depending on what you build it will not be ready before X-mas ;-)
15:26 < chemaja> ahahahaha
15:27 < _Ragnar_> lol
15:27 < chemaja> it's 1:26AM here, apparently so im screwed on binary-dist too :P
15:27 < chemaja> ie. 25th of Dec
15:28 < misl> ahh, you're ahead of me :-)
15:28 < misl> still 24th here
15:29 < chemaja> "Linux is one of the best documented operating systems in the world!" --- hrm, i would have thought BSD would have been
15:31 < misl> chemaja: in that case you have come to right address too. Some folks are working on including BSD kernel into T2
15:31 < misl> when done, you can chose the kernel you want for you vanilla distro
15:36 < chemaja> misl: and Hurd!
15:36 < chemaja> w00t! though i think hurd doesn't support >2GB partitions, which kinda sucks
15:36 < chemaja> i'll probably stick with Leenarks
15:36 < misl> once the boilerplate stuff is done, you are free to add Hurd ;-)
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15:37 < chemaja> misl: then i can complete my GNU nerdiness
15:37 < misl> sure
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15:51 < chemaja> candy: "T2 only patches when absolutely necessary: security and bug fixes only."
15:56 < misl> chemaja: many patches get send upstream as well
15:57 < chemaja> this [ http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/t2-handbookse2.html ] is what i'm up to -- really interesting stuff
15:57 < chemaja> i figure i read, read read before i download.
16:03 < misl> I will not advertise for another project, but not everything in there is true
16:04 < misl> there are 2 more projects doing the same thing
16:05 < misl> t2 is actually a fork and t2 itself got forked
16:07 < chemaja> rock was the daddy
16:07 < chemaja> i read that already
16:08 < misl> yep
16:08 < Stelz> 18:07'20 | chemaja> rock was the daddy
16:08 < Stelz> 18:07'30 | chemaja> i read that already
16:08 < Stelz> lol
16:08 < Stelz> poetry
16:08 < misl> :) we have a poet around
16:08 < chemaja> oh dear
16:09 < misl> chemaja: give us some more, we like poetry ;-)
16:10 < chemaja> twas the night before christmas, and all through the box, not a distro was stirring, XP was the boss
16:12 < chemaja> i like the idea of automatic dep detection
16:12 < chemaja> how very robust
16:12 < chemaja> i hope it's faster than conary on rPath
16:12 < chemaja> conary brought this system to it's knees
16:13 < misl> unfortunately there is a downside to automatic dep detection
16:13 < misl> optional dependancies
16:15 < chemaja> misl: but don't you specify that prior the dep-detect run?
16:15 < misl> there is not dep-detect run
16:15 < misl> when a package gets build the deps are detected
16:15 < chemaja> how
16:17 < misl> with something we call fl_wrapper
16:17 < chemaja> i dont get how auto dep detection is a problem
16:18 < chemaja> but i dont expect to yet, i'm too noob
16:18 < misl> every package has a .cache file containing the auto detected deps
16:19 < chemaja> so?
16:19 < misl> but it does not know which ones are optional
16:19 < chemaja> misl: but doesn't the user define what configure flags he wants? a-la gentoo USE flags?
16:21 < misl> most configure flags are already part of the t2 package, but a target maintainer can overrule if necessary
16:21 < chemaja> heh
16:22 < chemaja> i think it's time for sleep. ttyl, mate
16:22 < misl> I shouldn't overload you
16:22 < misl> you will get to it soon enough
16:22 < chemaja> misl: nah it's okay
16:23 < chemaja> but if i dont sleep im going to be a zombie for xmas day
16:23 < chemaja> later
16:23 < misl> sleep well :-)
16:23 < misl> and have a nice X-mas
16:23 < chemaja> thanks, you too
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18:16 < tri> hi
18:17 < tri> i have installed t2 linux after this guide: http://www.t2-project.org/installintro.html
18:17 < tri> howto install something like x11 now ?
18:36 < tri> i think i have to checkout the t2 trunk to /usr/src/t2-trunk and than i can build the packages my self with Emerge-Pkg - would this be "right way" ?
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18:51 < tri> i have found this http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/1914# - is this what i'am searching for ?
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