T2 IRC Log: 2006-11-12
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--- Log opened Sun Nov 12 00:00:28 2006
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08:58 < misl> hi folks
09:16 < Stelz> re
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10:59 < rxr> re
10:59 [Users #t2]
10:59 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ Stelz ]
10:59 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ pamdirac] [ valentin]
10:59 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ zod ]
10:59 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
11:04 < misl> morning rxr
11:07 < rxr> moin misl
11:07 < misl> :)
11:11 < pamdirac> morning all
11:11 < misl> hi pamdirac
11:21 < rxr> how do you do misl?
11:22 < CIA-5> rene * r20807 /trunk/package/network/stunnel/stunnel.desc: * updated stunnel (4.18 -> 4.19)
11:22 < CIA-5> rene * r20808 /trunk/package/security/openct/openct.desc: * updated openct (0.6.9 -> 0.6.10)
11:44 < pamdirac> rxr: do you go to the 23C3?
11:44 < CIA-5> rene * r20809 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.3.28 -> 2.3.29)
11:45 < CIA-5> rene * r20810 /trunk/package/x11/fox/fox.desc: * updated fox (1.6.18 -> 1.6.19)
11:45 < rxr> pamdirac: yeah - maybe
11:45 < rxr> pamdirac: why do you ask ?
11:47 < pamdirac> without reason
11:47 < pamdirac> I come to 23c3, perhaps
11:49 < rxr> :-)
11:50 < rxr> well - as I'm living in berlin anyway I might indeed come over
11:50 < rxr> especially as we celebrate x-mas and new year in berlin this year
11:50 < pamdirac> :)
11:51 < misl> rxr: I am fine, how about you?
11:51 * misl about to leave (family shopping time)
11:52 < rxr> misl: oh sure - thanks, fine as well
11:53 < misl> cu later
11:53 < misl> :)
11:56 < rxr> cu misl
11:57 < CIA-5> rene * r20811 /trunk/package/base/00-dirtree/data.txt: * removed the old cksum dir from 00-dirtree, likewise
12:05 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.42.233.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
12:05 < sepp> hello :)
12:06 < rxr> moin moin sepp
12:06 [Users #t2]
12:06 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ zod]
12:06 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ pamdirac] [ Stelz ]
12:06 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
12:06 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
12:06 < sepp> moin rxr
12:10 < CIA-5> rene * r20812 /trunk/package/python/setuptools/ (setuptools.conf setuptools.desc): * updated setuptools (0.6a10 -> 0.6c3)
12:16 * rxr also never imagined to end up touching all this evil python cruft ...
12:16 < rxr> what one does all just to get a decent bug tracking system ...
12:36 < Stelz> cu misl hi sepp
12:40 < rxr> hi Stelz
12:40 < Stelz> hi rxr
12:48 < mtr> hi *
12:48 < rxr> hi mtr
12:53 < rxr> so - coll
12:53 < rxr> cool
12:53 < rxr> I hope I got all the many details and plugins of trac mixed together correctly:
12:53 < rxr> http://bugs.t2-project.org/
12:53 < rxr> can anyone try to register there ?
12:55 < rxr> cool - appears to work
12:55 < rxr> so - open points:
12:55 < rxr> - sync svn to the uni box
12:56 < rxr> (so trac can browse it)
12:56 < rxr> - tunnel mail out of the uni box (as the uni firewall does block nearly everything including mail)
12:58 < mtr> rxr: did you already setup some accounts? register mtr fails:
12:58 < mtr> Error
12:58 < mtr> Another account with that name already exists.
12:59 < rxr> yes, your account is still there from importing the old database
13:00 < rxr> I delete it as there is no matching password from the import
13:00 < rxr> can you retry ?
13:01 < Stelz> Firefox can't find the server at bugs.t2-project.org.
13:01 < Stelz> hmm
13:01 < mtr> yes, works now ;-)
13:02 < rxr> Stelz: ouh ?
13:02 < Stelz> o.O
13:02 < Stelz> Firefox can't find the server at www.t2-project.org.
13:02 < rxr> Stelz: but it worked yesterday, no ?
13:02 < Stelz> yeah, but not now o.O
13:02 < rxr> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
13:02 < rxr> t2-project.org. 60 IN A 212.202.41.169
13:02 < rxr> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
13:02 < rxr> t2-project.org. 86400 IN NS ns1.threllis.net.
13:02 < rxr> t2-project.org. 86400 IN NS ns2.threllis.net.
13:02 < rxr> maybe it is your ISP ?
13:02 < Stelz> maybe..
13:03 < Stelz> anyway.. can't connect to t2-project
13:04 < rxr> add the servers to your /etc/hosts :-)
13:04 < rxr> 212.202.41.169 www.t2-project.org
13:05 < rxr> 141.64.23.9 bugs.t2-project.org
13:09 < mtr> a lot of old tickets from the db import ...
13:11 < rxr> yep
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13:24 < rxr> rehi Stelz
13:24 [Users #t2]
13:24 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ zod]
13:24 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ pamdirac] [ Stelz ]
13:24 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
13:24 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
13:24 < Stelz> rehi rxr ;)
13:26 < Stelz> time to update t2-source-tree
13:30 < rxr> Stelz: does *.t2-project.org work again for you ?
13:30 < Stelz> no :|
13:31 < Stelz> Error while performing action: PROPFIND request failed on '/t2/trunk'
13:31 < Stelz> PROPFIND of '/t2/trunk': could not connect to server (https://svn.exactcode.de)
13:32 < rxr> Stelz: guess the same isssue as you have with t2-project.org
13:32 < rxr> yesterday our ISP did some nameserver restructuring ...
13:32 < rxr> maybe your ISP cached something strangely ...
13:37 < rxr> Stelz: maybe use another nameserver the next few hours
13:37 < Stelz> ok
13:38 < sepp> here it works
13:38 < rxr> 141.64.3.55 and/or 141.64.3.40 are university ones in Berlin
13:38 < rxr> sepp: ack - manual queries look right and the web stat also looks ok - e.g. no break in the hits ...
13:48 < CIA-5> rene * r20813 /trunk/package/editors/tea/tea.desc: * updated tea (13.3 -> 14.3.0)
13:48 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
13:58 < rxr> can someone test if http://rene.rebe.name is reachable ?
13:59 < sepp> it is
14:00 < rxr> ok - thanks
14:01 < rxr> my office ISP appears to have caching issues on that domain as well as stelz experience ...
14:01 < rxr> thanks for testing
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14:44 < misl> re
14:47 < Stelz> rehi
15:37 < rxr> re
17:59 < CIA-5> luca * r20814 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf:
17:59 < CIA-5> Luca Piol
17:59 < CIA-5> * Fixes a possible problem with glibc linking to host libraries
17:59 < CIA-5> * for the memusagestat binary in toolchain or cross stages.
18:15 < CIA-5> rene * r20815 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: * slightly cleaned up and identation of r20814
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19:49 < tadao> good evening t2
19:49 < sepp> hello tadao
19:50 < tadao> once more thanks for target mini-kde live cd
19:50 < tadao> subversion was a desaster under slackware
19:51 < tadao> but with slax i could check out th trunk
19:51 < sepp> :)
19:51 < tadao> so i configured -and downloaded -it was about 450 mg -is that ok
19:52 < tadao> 450 MB
19:52 < sepp> you can reduce it more if you want, but if it is fine ...
19:54 < tadao> sounds very good to me -even before squash , just gimp samba VIM exim procmail telnet i really would like to throw out -> just How ?
19:54 < rxr> that is the download size
19:54 < rxr> download source size
19:54 < rxr> the ISO binary siize will differ
19:55 < sepp> ahh, i thought that was the iso size
19:55 < sepp> sorry ...
19:55 < tadao> Hi rxr once more thank you , was a nice kickstart , i guess i never had made it through alone
19:56 < tadao> --- ah what is the difference in size to be expected
19:56 < rxr> tadao: that mini target is not finished
19:56 < rxr> btw my Core Duo only built some hours on it - from when we talked up to 5 o'clock in the night ... :-)
19:57 < tadao> wow - but my epia will chrunch it longer i dare to guess
19:57 < tadao> 1000 bogomips
19:58 < tadao> in real life it should be some 600 MHZ machine
19:59 < tadao> anyway - i got millions of questions . e.g. howto manipulate the pkglist and where and btw some pkg didnt download :ipconfig,openssh unionfs ...how to correct that ?
20:00 < rxr> pkglist is just target/mini-kde-live/pkgsel
20:00 < rxr> replace mini-kde-live with what I actually named it yesterday .-)
20:03 < tadao> so just fill in the pkgname one on each line ?i couldnt find in handbook explanation of the code in front of pkgnames
20:03 < rxr> X is select
20:03 < rxr> O and - are select
20:03 < rxr> = is set to default
20:09 < tadao> sorry ,i dont get that - so what is = not selected , so how can i throw out gimp samba exim?
20:12 < sepp> "O gimp"
20:13 < sepp> X foo - select, O bar - deselect
20:13 < tadao> by editing the packagesfile in the system directory ?
20:15 < sepp> look at the file it includes
20:16 < sepp> but you can also do that in the pkgsel file / Config option of your config
20:21 < rxr> tadao: yes in that file
20:22 < rxr> if there is a X gimp and you do not want gimp then remove the line
20:22 < rxr> if there is no X gimp line in target/.../pkgsel then add a O gimp at the end
20:25 < tadao> well pkgsel till now is empty ...and packages.txt is 162kb so im abit confused
20:25 < rxr> the target/minimal-kde/pkgsel file
20:26 < rxr> the target/mini-live-kdee/pkgsel file
20:26 < rxr> even
20:31 < rxr> so - off for evening dinner with my girl - cu then
20:33 < tadao> nice evening 2u - so pkgsel in mini kde live should match 50-minimal-desktop
20:33 < tadao> by means of form
20:53 < emte> simular, yes
20:54 < emte> i am curious, what are you using the distro for?
20:57 < tadao> well , i want a light simple desktop optimized for epia cl10000 and pd10000 :kde-pim + k3b + qemu+kqemu in livecd with normal user accounts
20:58 < emte> umm
20:58 < emte> kde is far from light
20:58 < tadao> when u use slackware on these boards its quite acceptable
20:58 < tadao> i like fluxbox too
20:59 < tadao> but when u want k3b and konqueror
20:59 < tadao> u have already 70% of kde
20:59 < emte> i must say ... why would you want qemu on it?
20:59 < emte> some reson you need to emulat diff hardware?
20:59 < emte> reason*
21:00 < tadao> that stuff what is changing fast : firefox etc
21:00 < emte> ...
21:00 < tadao> if you have live cd u run in ram
21:00 < tadao> fast enough
21:00 < emte> if your not distributing it you could just use opera
21:01 < emte> or simbian i suppose
21:01 < tadao> i use opera and firefox
21:02 < tadao> just very elegant to use internetstuff from livecd in kqemu
21:02 < emte> that is one way to say it
21:02 < tadao> and the other
21:02 < tadao> ?
21:03 < emte> software emulation has it's own inherent issues
21:04 < emte> those being performance, reliability, and behaviour
21:04 < emte> but it is better than nothing in many cases
21:05 < tadao> once upon atime yes ... but nowadays ...xen vmware kqemu :rocksolid
21:05 < emte> vmware is, xen and qemu ... very very new projects still
21:06 < emte> but even vmware has performance and behaviour issues
21:06 < tadao> since when is xen and qemu new ???
21:06 < emte> comparativly
21:06 < emte> vmware is almost 10years old i belive
21:07 < tadao> well look at xen good old academic stuff
21:07 < emte> altho i am impressed that MS didnt kill vmware outright
21:07 < tadao> and vmware license says : not allowed to benchmark :ridicolous
21:08 < emte> there is no real ware to bench mark an emulation enviroment
21:08 < emte> way*
21:08 < tadao> do abenchmark on host than repeat on guest ...
21:09 < emte> benchmarks refer to competator products
21:09 < emte> and in emulation you have ~three layers
21:09 < tadao> they refer towhatever you want
21:10 < emte> host hw performance, software dirver abstraction, and virtual hardware
21:10 < emte> driver*
21:10 < tadao> you want something eg compression :
21:10 < tadao> than you measure it on your system
21:10 < emte> its not that simple
21:11 < tadao> thats your real life bench :)
21:11 < emte> take oracle for example
21:11 < emte> it will far out perform on an intel processor compared to amd
21:12 < emte> even iff all the vairables are almost the same
21:12 < emte> variables*
21:13 < emte> the reason is that oracle uses access to extra math registers on the intel cpu when availible to streamline data processing
21:13 < emte> so its not a valid benchmark
21:14 < tadao> well we started at my reason for emulation : simplicity , security , stability
21:14 < emte> yeah
21:14 < tadao> so emulating one system in by anotherone completely in ram
21:14 < emte> i like skyeye myself
21:15 < tadao> is quite close to perfect for me
21:15 < emte> qemu has some ... undesirable behaviour when i used it
21:16 < tadao> what kind
21:20 < emte> was using it for cross compiling
21:20 < emte> all the work i was doing was on a second drive
21:20 < emte> and qemu liked to place garbage and cache files all over my first drive when it shouldnt have been accessing it
21:26 < tadao> well among the mentioned projects this is the oneman show
21:26 < emte> ?
21:26 < tadao> so even more impressive what the guy menaged to do
21:26 < tadao> xen university vmware = company qemu bellard
21:27 < tadao> so by manpower its david against three goliats
21:27 < tadao> but he got help now
21:28 < tadao> he was better than all the stuff this other company wrote
21:28 < tadao> and they bought his stuff because it was faster
21:29 < tadao> win4lin or so
21:32 < emte> hmm interesting ...
21:32 < emte> i wonder how uclinux runs on amd64 ...
21:34 < emte> oh wait bad me
21:34 < emte> skyeye now compiles native on amd64
21:34 < emte> :)
21:35 < emte> if i can make tinylogin behave ... maybe i'll get that image done this week
21:55 < tadao> have anice evening everybody ...
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--- Log closed Mon Nov 13 00:00:29 2006
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08:58 < misl> hi folks
09:16 < Stelz> re
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10:59 < rxr> re
10:59 [Users #t2]
10:59 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ Stelz ]
10:59 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ pamdirac] [ valentin]
10:59 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ zod ]
10:59 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
11:04 < misl> morning rxr
11:07 < rxr> moin misl
11:07 < misl> :)
11:11 < pamdirac> morning all
11:11 < misl> hi pamdirac
11:21 < rxr> how do you do misl?
11:22 < CIA-5> rene * r20807 /trunk/package/network/stunnel/stunnel.desc: * updated stunnel (4.18 -> 4.19)
11:22 < CIA-5> rene * r20808 /trunk/package/security/openct/openct.desc: * updated openct (0.6.9 -> 0.6.10)
11:44 < pamdirac> rxr: do you go to the 23C3?
11:44 < CIA-5> rene * r20809 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.3.28 -> 2.3.29)
11:45 < CIA-5> rene * r20810 /trunk/package/x11/fox/fox.desc: * updated fox (1.6.18 -> 1.6.19)
11:45 < rxr> pamdirac: yeah - maybe
11:45 < rxr> pamdirac: why do you ask ?
11:47 < pamdirac> without reason
11:47 < pamdirac> I come to 23c3, perhaps
11:49 < rxr> :-)
11:50 < rxr> well - as I'm living in berlin anyway I might indeed come over
11:50 < rxr> especially as we celebrate x-mas and new year in berlin this year
11:50 < pamdirac> :)
11:51 < misl> rxr: I am fine, how about you?
11:51 * misl about to leave (family shopping time)
11:52 < rxr> misl: oh sure - thanks, fine as well
11:53 < misl> cu later
11:53 < misl> :)
11:56 < rxr> cu misl
11:57 < CIA-5> rene * r20811 /trunk/package/base/00-dirtree/data.txt: * removed the old cksum dir from 00-dirtree, likewise
12:05 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.42.233.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
12:05 < sepp> hello :)
12:06 < rxr> moin moin sepp
12:06 [Users #t2]
12:06 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ zod]
12:06 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ pamdirac] [ Stelz ]
12:06 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
12:06 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
12:06 < sepp> moin rxr
12:10 < CIA-5> rene * r20812 /trunk/package/python/setuptools/ (setuptools.conf setuptools.desc): * updated setuptools (0.6a10 -> 0.6c3)
12:16 * rxr also never imagined to end up touching all this evil python cruft ...
12:16 < rxr> what one does all just to get a decent bug tracking system ...
12:36 < Stelz> cu misl hi sepp
12:40 < rxr> hi Stelz
12:40 < Stelz> hi rxr
12:48 < mtr> hi *
12:48 < rxr> hi mtr
12:53 < rxr> so - coll
12:53 < rxr> cool
12:53 < rxr> I hope I got all the many details and plugins of trac mixed together correctly:
12:53 < rxr> http://bugs.t2-project.org/
12:53 < rxr> can anyone try to register there ?
12:55 < rxr> cool - appears to work
12:55 < rxr> so - open points:
12:55 < rxr> - sync svn to the uni box
12:56 < rxr> (so trac can browse it)
12:56 < rxr> - tunnel mail out of the uni box (as the uni firewall does block nearly everything including mail)
12:58 < mtr> rxr: did you already setup some accounts? register mtr fails:
12:58 < mtr> Error
12:58 < mtr> Another account with that name already exists.
12:59 < rxr> yes, your account is still there from importing the old database
13:00 < rxr> I delete it as there is no matching password from the import
13:00 < rxr> can you retry ?
13:01 < Stelz> Firefox can't find the server at bugs.t2-project.org.
13:01 < Stelz> hmm
13:01 < mtr> yes, works now ;-)
13:02 < rxr> Stelz: ouh ?
13:02 < Stelz> o.O
13:02 < Stelz> Firefox can't find the server at www.t2-project.org.
13:02 < rxr> Stelz: but it worked yesterday, no ?
13:02 < Stelz> yeah, but not now o.O
13:02 < rxr> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
13:02 < rxr> t2-project.org. 60 IN A 212.202.41.169
13:02 < rxr> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
13:02 < rxr> t2-project.org. 86400 IN NS ns1.threllis.net.
13:02 < rxr> t2-project.org. 86400 IN NS ns2.threllis.net.
13:02 < rxr> maybe it is your ISP ?
13:02 < Stelz> maybe..
13:03 < Stelz> anyway.. can't connect to t2-project
13:04 < rxr> add the servers to your /etc/hosts :-)
13:04 < rxr> 212.202.41.169 www.t2-project.org
13:05 < rxr> 141.64.23.9 bugs.t2-project.org
13:09 < mtr> a lot of old tickets from the db import ...
13:11 < rxr> yep
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13:24 < rxr> rehi Stelz
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13:24 < Stelz> rehi rxr ;)
13:26 < Stelz> time to update t2-source-tree
13:30 < rxr> Stelz: does *.t2-project.org work again for you ?
13:30 < Stelz> no :|
13:31 < Stelz> Error while performing action: PROPFIND request failed on '/t2/trunk'
13:31 < Stelz> PROPFIND of '/t2/trunk': could not connect to server (https://svn.exactcode.de)
13:32 < rxr> Stelz: guess the same isssue as you have with t2-project.org
13:32 < rxr> yesterday our ISP did some nameserver restructuring ...
13:32 < rxr> maybe your ISP cached something strangely ...
13:37 < rxr> Stelz: maybe use another nameserver the next few hours
13:37 < Stelz> ok
13:38 < sepp> here it works
13:38 < rxr> 141.64.3.55 and/or 141.64.3.40 are university ones in Berlin
13:38 < rxr> sepp: ack - manual queries look right and the web stat also looks ok - e.g. no break in the hits ...
13:48 < CIA-5> rene * r20813 /trunk/package/editors/tea/tea.desc: * updated tea (13.3 -> 14.3.0)
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13:58 < rxr> can someone test if http://rene.rebe.name is reachable ?
13:59 < sepp> it is
14:00 < rxr> ok - thanks
14:01 < rxr> my office ISP appears to have caching issues on that domain as well as stelz experience ...
14:01 < rxr> thanks for testing
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14:44 < misl> re
14:47 < Stelz> rehi
15:37 < rxr> re
17:59 < CIA-5> luca * r20814 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf:
17:59 < CIA-5> Luca Piol
17:59 < CIA-5> * Fixes a possible problem with glibc linking to host libraries
17:59 < CIA-5> * for the memusagestat binary in toolchain or cross stages.
18:15 < CIA-5> rene * r20815 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: * slightly cleaned up and identation of r20814
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19:49 < tadao> good evening t2
19:49 < sepp> hello tadao
19:50 < tadao> once more thanks for target mini-kde live cd
19:50 < tadao> subversion was a desaster under slackware
19:51 < tadao> but with slax i could check out th trunk
19:51 < sepp> :)
19:51 < tadao> so i configured -and downloaded -it was about 450 mg -is that ok
19:52 < tadao> 450 MB
19:52 < sepp> you can reduce it more if you want, but if it is fine ...
19:54 < tadao> sounds very good to me -even before squash , just gimp samba VIM exim procmail telnet i really would like to throw out -> just How ?
19:54 < rxr> that is the download size
19:54 < rxr> download source size
19:54 < rxr> the ISO binary siize will differ
19:55 < sepp> ahh, i thought that was the iso size
19:55 < sepp> sorry ...
19:55 < tadao> Hi rxr once more thank you , was a nice kickstart , i guess i never had made it through alone
19:56 < tadao> --- ah what is the difference in size to be expected
19:56 < rxr> tadao: that mini target is not finished
19:56 < rxr> btw my Core Duo only built some hours on it - from when we talked up to 5 o'clock in the night ... :-)
19:57 < tadao> wow - but my epia will chrunch it longer i dare to guess
19:57 < tadao> 1000 bogomips
19:58 < tadao> in real life it should be some 600 MHZ machine
19:59 < tadao> anyway - i got millions of questions . e.g. howto manipulate the pkglist and where and btw some pkg didnt download :ipconfig,openssh unionfs ...how to correct that ?
20:00 < rxr> pkglist is just target/mini-kde-live/pkgsel
20:00 < rxr> replace mini-kde-live with what I actually named it yesterday .-)
20:03 < tadao> so just fill in the pkgname one on each line ?i couldnt find in handbook explanation of the code in front of pkgnames
20:03 < rxr> X is select
20:03 < rxr> O and - are select
20:03 < rxr> = is set to default
20:09 < tadao> sorry ,i dont get that - so what is = not selected , so how can i throw out gimp samba exim?
20:12 < sepp> "O gimp"
20:13 < sepp> X foo - select, O bar - deselect
20:13 < tadao> by editing the packagesfile in the system directory ?
20:15 < sepp> look at the file it includes
20:16 < sepp> but you can also do that in the pkgsel file / Config option of your config
20:21 < rxr> tadao: yes in that file
20:22 < rxr> if there is a X gimp and you do not want gimp then remove the line
20:22 < rxr> if there is no X gimp line in target/.../pkgsel then add a O gimp at the end
20:25 < tadao> well pkgsel till now is empty ...and packages.txt is 162kb so im abit confused
20:25 < rxr> the target/minimal-kde/pkgsel file
20:26 < rxr> the target/mini-live-kdee/pkgsel file
20:26 < rxr> even
20:31 < rxr> so - off for evening dinner with my girl - cu then
20:33 < tadao> nice evening 2u - so pkgsel in mini kde live should match 50-minimal-desktop
20:33 < tadao> by means of form
20:53 < emte> simular, yes
20:54 < emte> i am curious, what are you using the distro for?
20:57 < tadao> well , i want a light simple desktop optimized for epia cl10000 and pd10000 :kde-pim + k3b + qemu+kqemu in livecd with normal user accounts
20:58 < emte> umm
20:58 < emte> kde is far from light
20:58 < tadao> when u use slackware on these boards its quite acceptable
20:58 < tadao> i like fluxbox too
20:59 < tadao> but when u want k3b and konqueror
20:59 < tadao> u have already 70% of kde
20:59 < emte> i must say ... why would you want qemu on it?
20:59 < emte> some reson you need to emulat diff hardware?
20:59 < emte> reason*
21:00 < tadao> that stuff what is changing fast : firefox etc
21:00 < emte> ...
21:00 < tadao> if you have live cd u run in ram
21:00 < tadao> fast enough
21:00 < emte> if your not distributing it you could just use opera
21:01 < emte> or simbian i suppose
21:01 < tadao> i use opera and firefox
21:02 < tadao> just very elegant to use internetstuff from livecd in kqemu
21:02 < emte> that is one way to say it
21:02 < tadao> and the other
21:02 < tadao> ?
21:03 < emte> software emulation has it's own inherent issues
21:04 < emte> those being performance, reliability, and behaviour
21:04 < emte> but it is better than nothing in many cases
21:05 < tadao> once upon atime yes ... but nowadays ...xen vmware kqemu :rocksolid
21:05 < emte> vmware is, xen and qemu ... very very new projects still
21:06 < emte> but even vmware has performance and behaviour issues
21:06 < tadao> since when is xen and qemu new ???
21:06 < emte> comparativly
21:06 < emte> vmware is almost 10years old i belive
21:07 < tadao> well look at xen good old academic stuff
21:07 < emte> altho i am impressed that MS didnt kill vmware outright
21:07 < tadao> and vmware license says : not allowed to benchmark :ridicolous
21:08 < emte> there is no real ware to bench mark an emulation enviroment
21:08 < emte> way*
21:08 < tadao> do abenchmark on host than repeat on guest ...
21:09 < emte> benchmarks refer to competator products
21:09 < emte> and in emulation you have ~three layers
21:09 < tadao> they refer towhatever you want
21:10 < emte> host hw performance, software dirver abstraction, and virtual hardware
21:10 < emte> driver*
21:10 < tadao> you want something eg compression :
21:10 < tadao> than you measure it on your system
21:10 < emte> its not that simple
21:11 < tadao> thats your real life bench :)
21:11 < emte> take oracle for example
21:11 < emte> it will far out perform on an intel processor compared to amd
21:12 < emte> even iff all the vairables are almost the same
21:12 < emte> variables*
21:13 < emte> the reason is that oracle uses access to extra math registers on the intel cpu when availible to streamline data processing
21:13 < emte> so its not a valid benchmark
21:14 < tadao> well we started at my reason for emulation : simplicity , security , stability
21:14 < emte> yeah
21:14 < tadao> so emulating one system in by anotherone completely in ram
21:14 < emte> i like skyeye myself
21:15 < tadao> is quite close to perfect for me
21:15 < emte> qemu has some ... undesirable behaviour when i used it
21:16 < tadao> what kind
21:20 < emte> was using it for cross compiling
21:20 < emte> all the work i was doing was on a second drive
21:20 < emte> and qemu liked to place garbage and cache files all over my first drive when it shouldnt have been accessing it
21:26 < tadao> well among the mentioned projects this is the oneman show
21:26 < emte> ?
21:26 < tadao> so even more impressive what the guy menaged to do
21:26 < tadao> xen university vmware = company qemu bellard
21:27 < tadao> so by manpower its david against three goliats
21:27 < tadao> but he got help now
21:28 < tadao> he was better than all the stuff this other company wrote
21:28 < tadao> and they bought his stuff because it was faster
21:29 < tadao> win4lin or so
21:32 < emte> hmm interesting ...
21:32 < emte> i wonder how uclinux runs on amd64 ...
21:34 < emte> oh wait bad me
21:34 < emte> skyeye now compiles native on amd64
21:34 < emte> :)
21:35 < emte> if i can make tinylogin behave ... maybe i'll get that image done this week
21:55 < tadao> have anice evening everybody ...
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