T2 IRC Log: 2006-10-10

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--- Log opened Tue Oct 10 00:00:42 2006
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08:21 < rxr> re
08:36 < CIA-9> rene * r20102 /trunk/package/mail/fetchmail/ (configure_heimdal.patch fetchmail.desc heimdal_compile.patch): * updated fetchmail (6.3.4 -> 6.3.5)
08:43 < CIA-9> rene * r20103 /trunk/package/network/whois/whois.desc: * updated whois (4.7.17 -> 4.7.18)
09:32 < rxr> just a tine preannouncement
09:32 < rxr> oh damn? it is half 10
09:32 < rxr> damn have to hurry into uni to sign into some lectures
09:33 < rxr> damn I was just about to finsh some more Config acceleration thru LUA
09:33 < rxr> it will be 2 times as fast then, or better half as slow ...
09:33 < rxr> but I have to hurry into uni now
09:33 < rxr> commit then later from there ...
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11:25 < rxr> re
11:25 < rxr> Google kauft YouTube für 1,65 Milliarden US-Dollar
11:26 < rxr> http://golem.de/0610/48270.html
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11:26 < rxr> moin Stelz
11:26 < Stelz> rehi
11:28 * Stelz is back (gone 00:02:40)
11:38 < Stelz> rxr:
11:38 < Stelz> 22:05'57 | Stelz> rxr: what do u think about my idea?
11:38 < Stelz> 22:06'11 | Stelz> we really need this addition for Cleanup right now :)
11:38 < Stelz> 22:06'38 | Stelz> hehe.. and after that.. mine may be removed
11:38 < Stelz> 22:07'05 | Stelz> cause we have installation/removal processes for packages
11:38 < Stelz> :)
11:39 < Stelz> 21:57'53 | Stelz> rxr: it must be just a simple script in Cleanup i think
11:39 < Stelz> 21:58'06 | Stelz> -remove flag
11:39 < Stelz> 21:58'12 | Stelz> and package name after it
11:39 < Stelz> 21:58'40 | Stelz> then it'll remove files, which are defined in /var/adm/flists/$ACKAGE
11:39 < Stelz> 21:58'47 | Stelz> $PACKAGE
11:39 < Stelz> :)
11:39 < rxr> for the mine replacement I already worte that I suggest pkgdel or what it was the BSDs and Slowlaris has
11:39 < rxr> for the build scripts I also agree that hiding it in Create-ErrList as it is curretly sucks very much
11:40 < rxr> maybe we really should move that into the Cleanup script
11:40 < Stelz> yup/
11:40 < Stelz> so, when mine may be removed?
11:40 < rxr> I can do this after I finished my Config speedup work
11:40 < rxr> Stelz: one year ago :-)
11:40 < Stelz> uhm
11:41 < Stelz> speedup with lua?
11:41 < Stelz> rxr: :)
11:41 < rxr> well - seriously - I hope to remove mine until the final 7.0 release at the end of this year
11:41 < rxr> this really is a bigger work as it means rewriting the whole installer and such
11:41 < rxr> regarding the speedup, yes thru lua
11:41 < Stelz> uhm.. and u already built "our own pkg-sys"
11:41 < Stelz> or not?
11:42 < rxr> some Config parts are in LUA now and commit another rewrite in LUA chunk in some minutes
11:42 < rxr> with that changes from yesterday and today the Config is about twice as fast than before
11:42 < rxr> or half as slow as other would name it
11:42 < Stelz> nice
11:42 < Stelz> what's about pkg-sys? :)
11:42 < rxr> though still to slow - but that can then easily be addressed by removing the next speed hogs in LUA
11:43 < Stelz> my help doesn't needed in this way ?:)
11:43 < rxr> Stelz: sure your help is very much welcome
11:43 < rxr> Stelz: I did not yet understood what you want to change in which way
11:43 < rxr> maybe you can explain it to me once more ?
11:43 < Stelz> 13:30'07 | rxr> for the mine replacement I already worte that I suggest pkgdel or what it was the BSDs and Slowlaris has <-
11:44 < rxr> yep
11:44 < Stelz> no we have pkgadd ( emerge ) and pkgdel
11:44 < Stelz> *now
11:45 < Stelz> rxr: i just want T2 to be not like solaris/bsd
11:45 < rxr> sure - t2 wil stay as it is
11:45 < Stelz> we shold not copy algorithms from this OSes..
11:45 < rxr> just the mine command needs to go
11:45 < rxr> we copy nothing
11:45 < Stelz> :)
11:45 < rxr> just the name
11:45 < Stelz> grr
11:45 < Stelz> name suxx :)
11:45 < rxr> ouh
11:45 < rxr> what do you suggest?
11:45 < Stelz> look at lunar
11:46 < Stelz> they have lin to install pkg
11:46 < Stelz> lrm to del it
11:46 < Stelz> lvu util to take a lot of info/lists/etc.
11:47 < Stelz> we may have one script-name but with some flags
11:47 < Stelz> like -del/-add/-info/etc.
11:48 < Stelz> they have lget also to DL sources
11:48 < rxr> do you like this lunar "way" ?
11:48 < Stelz> not so much :)
11:49 < Stelz> rxr: i have an idea about it
11:49 < Stelz> to make it better
11:49 < Stelz> we have one-script.
11:49 < Stelz> the name of it == "two" (nice, yeah?) :)
11:49 < Stelz> and flags like -add / -del / -info / -download
11:50 < Stelz> will link to ./scripts/$SCRIPT-NAME
11:50 < Stelz> uhm
11:50 < Stelz> will link to /usr/t2-src/scripts/$SCRIPT-NAME
11:51 < Stelz> "two -add gcc" will do "/usr/t2-src/scripts/Emerge-Pkg gcc"
12:00 < rxr> well there are more use cases
12:00 < rxr> e.g. you leave out what mine is currently used for: installation from CD, LiveCD and network
12:00 < rxr> also the new thing should optionally be graphical to please the normal users and thus widen our user-comunity
12:01 < Stelz> rxr: of course there are more
12:01 < Stelz> rxr: two without flags will open a GUI :)
12:01 < rxr> and last but not least should support update from remote network locations where a T2 builder places updates, security updates and so on binary diffs to update the joe-user machines in the wild
12:02 < Stelz> yeah, of course
12:02 < rxr> do you want to add all this functionality into our scripts/ folder ?
12:02 < Stelz> r u about "two" or not? :)
12:03 < Stelz> or u r about scripts.. that do alots of work :)
12:04 < rxr> you wrote that "two" will use scripts/... to do the work, no ?
12:04 < Stelz> yeah
12:04 < Stelz> so i need to write this "two"? :)
12:06 < Stelz> hehe.. i really want to try :)
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12:21 < rxr> Stelz: yeah sure
12:21 < rxr> I polish our Config and get it to a decent speed and you do some two work - that sounds good
12:33 < Stelz> :))
12:33 < Stelz> tell me, when u'll finish your Config-optimizations
12:34 < Stelz> rxr: could you recommend me some nice GUI-svn-client?
12:34 < Stelz> used eSVN.. but seems to be it doesnt support svn >= 1.4.0
12:34 < rxr> ouh I use none
12:34 < rxr> there is rapidsvn and kde also has something
12:35 < rxr> ksvn or so
12:35 < Stelz> 'im looking at rapidsvn now
12:35 < rxr> for windows there is a nice explorer plugin, torturesvn or so
12:35 < Stelz> for wind0ze?
12:35 < Stelz> for this shit? :)
12:35 < Stelz> i forget about wind0ze forever since october 2001
12:36 < Stelz> *forgot
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13:32 < rxr> yeah - sure, me too
13:32 < rxr> I just felt like mentioning it ...
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14:01 < CIA-9> susan * r20104 /trunk/package/gnome2/brasero/brasero.desc: * updated brasero (0.4.91 -> 0.4.92)
14:01 < CIA-9> susan * r20105 /trunk/package/gnome2/pygtk/pygtk.desc: * updated pygtk (2.10.1 -> 2.10.3)
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15:16 < sepp> hello :)
15:25 < rxr> re
15:25 < rxr> hi sepp
15:26 < sepp> hi rxr
15:31 < CIA-9> rene * r20106 /trunk/scripts/ (config-functions.in config-functions.lua config.in):
15:31 < CIA-9> * reimplemented the former pkgsel code (shell code generating the
15:31 < CIA-9> pattern matching awk script) in LUA, resulting in a vast
15:31 < CIA-9> performance bost and some more feature on-the-way (like
15:31 < CIA-9> consistent support in custom rules and pkgsel files in a
15:31 < CIA-9> combined feature set)
15:32 < sepp> :)
15:34 < rxr> detailed performance numbers on the list in some minutes
15:35 < CIA-9> rene * r20107 /trunk/scripts/Config: * do not print directory information while building the tools
15:35 < CIA-9> rene * r20108 /trunk/misc/luabash/cf/Rules: * do not print directory information in our luabash, likewise
16:10 < CIA-9> rene * r20109 /trunk/scripts/config.in: * fixed custom pkgsel to actually also use the new code
17:59 < LMJ> moin min
18:00 < Stelz> moin moin moin LMJ
18:00 < LMJ> i saw a bunch of discution around LUA, but what is it exactly ?
18:01 < Stelz> LMJ: some lua-additions in to make Config be faster x2 at least
18:02 < LMJ> yes
18:02 < LMJ> but it's a script language ?
18:10 < Stelz> LUA ?
18:10 < Stelz> The Lua (pronounced LOO-ah, or /'lua/ in IPA) programming language is a lightweight, reflective, imperative and procedural language, designed as a scripting language with extensible semantics as a primary goal.
18:10 < Stelz> wikipedia ftw
18:11 < Stelz> but lua-code may be compiled with luac - lua compiler
18:11 < Stelz> Lua is a dynamically typed language intended for use as an extension or scripting language, and is compact enough to fit on a variety of host platforms.
18:28 < Stelz> Lua, as a compiled binary, is very small by code standards. Coupled with its relatively fast speed, and its very lenient license, it has gained a following among game developers for providing a viable scripting interface.
18:28 < Stelz> :)
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19:03 < misl> hi folsk
19:03 < misl> folks
19:03 < Stelz> hello misl :)
20:13 < rxr> re
20:14 < Stelz> rehi rxr ;)
20:14 < rxr> hi misl
20:15 < rxr> hi Stelz
20:15 < misl> hi rxr
20:23 < rxr> how do you do misl ?
20:23 < misl> rxr: fine but tired and bussy
20:23 < misl> how about you
20:23 < misl> ?
20:25 < rxr> busy but very well, thanks
20:39 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png
20:39 < rxr> ^- !!!
20:39 < Stelz> hehe rxr
20:40 < rxr> http://www.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vrbehr/cups-pdf/download.shtml
20:40 < rxr> ^- we er now linked there as well
20:40 < Stelz> rxr: is there any progs/scripts to make a nice boot screen during the sysboot?
20:41 < rxr> well they more than less suck very much
20:41 < rxr> mostly usplash and splashy
20:41 < rxr> but I can not recommend them
20:41 < Stelz> hm.. any way? :)
20:41 < rxr> I'm working on a "good quality code(tm)" implementation
20:41 < Stelz> hm
20:41 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/escreen/
20:41 < rxr> but I had no spare time to finish the version public version the last weeks
20:42 < rxr> maybe I can work on that at the 2nd half of this months to get it public
20:43 < Stelz> rxr: niiiiiice! is that boot-screen during the hardware-detection etc?
20:43 < rxr> yes, from the very early kernel boot until login or X
20:43 < Stelz> YEAH!!!!
20:44 < Stelz> :))
20:44 < Stelz> with the beautiful percentage :)
20:44 < rxr> I reviewed usplash and splashy for a client on an embedded platform
20:44 < rxr> but I had to tell him I can not recommend it - I would solder it together if he wants it anyway but it really is really ugly code that barely works if at all
20:45 < rxr> so he listed and lives without it for some more weeks
20:45 < Stelz> i'll wait for the first escreen version :)
20:45 < rxr> but he might sponsoer portions of my new code if he likes the outcome - but it is not high priority TODO entry right now
20:46 < Stelz> rxr: no kernel patches are needed/no kernel-recompilation?
20:47 < rxr> nope neither
20:47 < rxr> only FB support built in
20:48 < Stelz> hehe, nice
20:48 < rxr> that is the same for usplash and splashy, nor kernel patching for
20:48 < Stelz> i hope some "working version" will go with 7.0 final :)
20:49 < rxr> only for the good old suse or so bootsplash is a kernel
20:49 < Stelz> hehe.. we'll have a lot of news with 7.0.. this bootsplash, our own pkg-sys.. a lot of new packages.. heh nice.. T2 will be the best distro :)
20:49 < Stelz> uhm, err.
20:49 < Stelz> not a distro! ;-)
20:50 < Stelz> uhh.. and i'll try to make T2 the best from the best :)
20:51 < Stelz> *try to help
20:51 < Stelz> :)
20:52 < Stelz> but now i go to bed, and 'll wait when u finish Config-optimization, and then i'll start the work on "two" ;)
20:52 < Stelz> good night
20:52 * Stelz is away: Sleep is good. Zzzzz
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20:56 < CIA-9> rene * r20110 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.10.2 -> 0.9.11)
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20:58 < rxr> moin sepp_
20:59 < sepp_> huhu rxr :)
21:00 < sepp_> is qsc ok?
21:00 < sepp_> as isp ...
21:00 < rxr> the last 3 years it was superb, recently valentin's home and our office line sucked a bit from time to time
21:01 < rxr> like new tcp/ip connections got lost (only existing ones kept working)
21:01 < rxr> hopefully just a temprorary glitch while upgrading some stuff on their side
21:01 < sepp_> :)
21:02 < rxr> btw. on their SDSL lines .de ping times are of course below 30ms
21:03 < rxr> 64 octets from 193.99.144.80: icmp_seq=0 ttl=246 time=26.4 ms
21:03 < CIA-9> rene * r20111 /trunk/package/gnome2/bluefish/bluefish.desc: * updated bluefish (1.0.5 -> 1.0.6)
21:03 < sepp_> well, i want dsl without phone, i don't use landline i have >2 times a month
21:04 < sepp_> and stupid telekom disconnecting every 24h sucks
21:04 < CIA-9> rene * r20112 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * updated spamassassin (3.1.5 -> 3.1.7)
21:04 < rxr> sepp_: yep, ack
21:04 < rxr> susan and even have nothing anymore at home
21:04 < rxr> each a O2 cell with homezone covering our office _and_ flat :-)
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21:05 < rxr> with hanging in the office too much and UMTS @home ... :-)
21:05 < sepp_> hehe
21:05 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp
21:05 < rxr> tough covering both office and home has the bad sideeffect that your business contact can reach you anytime
21:06 < rxr> though maybe that is good for our business - whatever angle you look at that
21:10 < sepp> :)
21:12 < CIA-9> rene * r20113 /trunk/package/network/lighttpd/lighttpd.desc: * updated lighttpd (1.4.12 -> 1.4.13)
21:14 < CIA-9> rene * r20114 /trunk/package/base/gcc/parse-config: * fixed some spacing and unwatned sh-bang in gcc/parse-config while reading over it
21:22 < CIA-9> rene * r20115 /trunk/package/audio/jack/ (4 files): * updated jack (0.101.1 -> 0.102.20)
21:24 < rxr> ok - I go home in some secs
21:28 < rxr> cu
22:06 < CIA-9> mtr * r20116 /trunk/package/multimedia/transcode/fix-autoconf-failure.patch: * fixed transcode autoconf failure, taken from CVS
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