T2 IRC Log: 2006-07-24
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--- Log opened Mon Jul 24 00:00:41 2006
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07:16 < Baldzius> hi rxr
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08:10 < rxr> hi Baldzius
08:17 < CIA-7> rene * r18722 /trunk/package/base/htop/htop.desc: * updated htop (0.6.2 -> 0.6.3)
08:20 < Baldzius> :)
08:20 < rxr> Baldzius: I started the koffice build on the G5
08:20 < Baldzius> with the fix?
08:21 < rxr> nope to fix it ,-)
08:21 < Baldzius> oh :)
08:55 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp
08:55 < sepp> hello :)
08:56 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18723 /trunk/package/x11/linuxwacom/ (linuxwacom.desc xorg-7.patch): * updated linuxwacom (0.7.2 -> 0.7.4-3)
08:57 < Baldzius> hi sepp
08:57 < sepp> hi Baldzius
09:02 < rxr> hi sepp
09:02 < sepp> hi rxr
09:19 < rxr> I think it is possible to retrieve a Sony ATRAC codec form the PPC Sony binary with some ppc assembly to C regex translation ,-)
09:20 < rxr> with quite minimal efford, that is maybe in some days
09:21 < rxr> LMJ: I "fight
09:22 < rxr> LMJ: I "fight" with Sony MD DRM "crap" because I'm a MD users/owner since the mid 90th and recently got a HiMD portable recorder
09:22 < rxr> obviously I do not want to power up a WinXP AMD Geode LX box in a dusty corner to exchange music from the device
09:22 < rxr> btw. Apple iPod also does not play mp3 as it
09:23 < rxr> some binary meta data DB files have to be tweaked accordingly, likewise
09:23 < rxr> so the MD is not that worser than the iPod, just that those Gnupod folks have written a (was it Perl?) module for it
09:23 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2006-07-02/sony-mz-rh-1-md-walkman-review/
09:27 < rxr> valentin: btw the U30 is much more stable now, (with T2 HEAD)
09:27 < rxr> valentin: no lookup since then
09:27 < rxr> valentin: and it run a week once and now nearly 3 days again
09:27 < rxr> valentin: I plan to not power it down in the new office and see if it ever freezes again
12:09 < rxr> heh just found out the MD data is most probablz DES encrypted
12:09 < rxr> Baldzius: what was shared in your koffice build? I only have this file here:
12:09 < rxr> !> opt/kde3/share/doc/HTML/es/api/kfontdialog.png: kde-i18n-es koffice-i18n
12:10 < Baldzius> rxr: yes
12:10 < Baldzius> this file only
12:14 < rxr> ok / me patching
12:16 < CIA-7> chris * r18724 /trunk/package/python/itools/itools.desc: * updated itools (0.12.3 -> 0.13.8)
12:26 < rxr> ok, some more MD notes: encryption is either plain, des ecb with session key or des dbc with session key and the encyption just normal 3des it appears
12:26 < rxr> the disk key might be on a special system are to be read with some vendor command I think, but that is under review some time later
12:34 < CIA-7> chris * r18725 /trunk/package/multimedia/libosip2/libosip2.desc: * updated libosip2 (2.2.2 -> 3.0.0)
12:34 < CIA-7> chris * r18726 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.9 -> 0.9.10)
12:36 < CIA-7> chris * r18727 /trunk/package/security/samhain/samhain.desc: * updated samhain (2.2.1 -> 2.2.2)
12:40 < CIA-7> rene * r18728 /trunk/package/kde/koffice-i18n/shared-files.patch.koffice-l10n-es: * fixed shared file of koffice-i18n (koffice-l10n-es)
12:52 < CIA-7> rene * r18729 /trunk/architecture/ (sparc/kernel.conf.m4 sparc64/kernel.conf.m4): * link the main RTC support into the sparc* kernels
13:06 < rxr> bets taken how long I
13:06 < rxr> 'll need to get the first audio onto or from the device ,-)
14:46 < CIA-7> chris * r18730 /trunk/package/develop/flawfinder/ (. flawfinder.cache flawfinder.desc): * added flawfinder (1.26) - A program that scans source code looking for security weaknesses.
14:54 < CIA-7> rene * r18731 /trunk/package/develop/boomerang/ (. boomerang.cache boomerang.conf boomerang.desc gcc41.patch): * added boomerang (2006-07-01) - A decompiler for native executables
14:57 < rxr> hm, janitor task: remove the trailing dots of I tags as shown by:
14:57 < rxr> grep "\[I\].*\.$" */*/*.desc
14:57 < rxr> 115 currently :-(
15:02 < rxr> AMD ?bernimmt ATI f?r 5,4 Milliarden Dollar
15:02 < rxr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:16 < LMJ> moin moin
15:17 < rxr> moin moin LMJ
15:17 < rxr> I pasted notes why I work on Sony Hi-MD related code, do you see them in your scrollback ?
15:17 < LMJ> sup rxr ?
15:18 < LMJ> yes ;)
15:18 < LMJ> MD user ;)
15:18 < LMJ> why not get a simple mp3/c/ogg player ?
15:19 < rxr> because as I wrote in my plog I also used to make music myself or record gigs of friends and the like
15:20 < rxr> nearly no mp3 junk allows recording
15:20 < LMJ> hehe
15:20 < rxr> and btw. the iPod also required binary database bookkeeping file updates
15:20 < rxr> also I can exchange the 1GB MDs and place them in the shelf
15:20 < rxr> when I drop a mp3 player on the floor I often kiss my music good bye
15:21 < rxr> and last but not least the 1GB HiMD form nice data exchange media
15:21 < rxr> e.g. few people use comfortable packet writing with CDs and just drag'n droping file onto your HiMD 1GB magneto optical disc with a neat form factor is just nice
15:21 < LMJ> but the HD re-encode one again the music
15:22 < rxr> nope the 2nd gen himd players play mp3
15:22 < LMJ> Md*
15:22 < LMJ> those MD has been old-school before they came out :-P
15:22 < rxr> and in times when I started with MD ATRAC had superior quality to MP3, there have been no MP3 players and thus the PCM got directly to ATRAC anyway\
15:22 < rxr> hehe, no
15:23 < rxr> MDs have been 10 years to early to be successful
15:23 < rxr> few had an idea what to do with them
15:23 < rxr> the biggest thing Sony did wrong was not releasing cheap floppy drives
15:23 < LMJ> well, it will be a good contribution for OSS ;)
15:23 < rxr> then in 1995 we would have get rid of 1.44" flopies
15:23 < rxr> floppies
15:24 < rxr> but the only extremly expensive drive at that time was of course not a success
15:24 < rxr> but just because of the $$$$ price
15:24 < LMJ> rxr : do you know where is "48301 Nottuln" in germany ?
15:25 < rxr> nope ,-)
15:25 < rxr> according the the number somewhere in the middle but I have not heared that name before
15:26 < LMJ> great
15:26 < LMJ> my mail has been lost between france and Nottuln ;)
15:38 < rxr> snailmail ?
15:48 < LMJ> regular mail
15:48 < LMJ> you know
15:48 < LMJ> the one made of paper ;)
15:48 < rxr> snailmail ,-)
16:12 < CIA-7> rene * r18732 /trunk/package/develop/boomerang/ (boomerang.cache boomerang.conf progpath.patch): * fixed boomerang to work from installed system locations
16:49 < LMJ> hey rxr , do you have 10min to waste to help me to make 3 new packages i will maintain. They are both simple PERL network admin utils, but i don't know how deal with them
16:52 < rxr> sure
16:52 < rxr> best take a look into the various package/perl-* packages
16:52 < rxr> when it are normal cpan modules it is very simple\
16:52 < rxr> just ordinary packages
16:52 < LMJ> hooOoo ;)
17:03 < LMJ> i can't find my pleasure rxr
17:04 < rxr> no good example ?
17:05 < LMJ> I would like to package "nikto" who can be divided in 2 parts : copy the .pl to /usr/bin and the "doc" folder to /usr/share/nikto or so
17:05 < rxr> well than do this:
17:05 < rxr> makeopt=
17:05 < rxr> makeinstopt=
17:05 < LMJ> almost the same for "logrotate"
17:05 < rxr> hook_append makeopt 5 "install nikito.pl $root$bindir/"
17:06 < rxr> hook_append makeopt 5 "install doc/* $root$docdir/"
17:12 < LMJ> i would like to SED a couple of line too ;)
17:14 < rxr> ouhm
17:14 < rxr> ah what shit have I posted there ..
17:14 < rxr> hook_append postmake of course
17:15 < rxr> hook_append postmake 5 "install nikito.pl $root$bindir/"
17:15 < rxr> hook_append postmake 5 "install doc/* $root$docdir/"
17:15 < rxr> hook_append inmake 5 "sed -i ..."
17:15 < rxr> or postmake with a lower priority whatever you prefer
17:16 < LMJ> ok thanks
17:16 < LMJ> I will check it out
17:54 < rxr> yay, fixed another outstanding sparc bug ,-)
17:56 < CIA-7> aldas * r18733 /branches/2.2/package/kde/koffice-i18n/shared-files.patch.koffice-l10n-es:
17:56 < CIA-7> * merged r18728 from trunk to branches/2.2:
17:56 < CIA-7> fixed shared file of koffice-i18n (koffice-l10n-es)
17:57 < CIA-7> rene * r18734 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/ (4 files):
17:57 < CIA-7> * patched the binutils linker (ld) to default to 32bit on sparc64 with
17:57 < CIA-7> 32bit user-land, as we do patch gcc. This actually fixes quite some
17:57 < CIA-7> packages, including the mozilla familly and exact-build based
17:57 < CIA-7> packages such as exact-image.
17:57 < rxr> Baldzius: can go into 2.2 -^ though only tested on the workstation I set in front, not in a whole build
17:58 < rxr> but I can power up the niagara the next days ...
17:58 < Baldzius> rxr: ack
17:58 < rxr> still need to carry it into the new office ,-)
17:59 < sepp> uname wrapper should return i686 on >pentium?? - as real uname does
17:59 < rxr> hm
17:59 < rxr> what does it return right now ?
17:59 < rxr> it should return what you configured your buld for
17:59 < rxr> build for
17:59 < sepp> uname -m i686, wrapper i386
17:59 < CIA-7> aldas * r18735 /branches/2.2/architecture/ (sparc/kernel.conf.m4 sparc64/kernel.conf.m4):
17:59 < CIA-7> * merged r18729 from trunk to branches/2.2:
17:59 < CIA-7> link the main RTC support into the sparc* kernels
17:59 < rxr> what do you optimize for ?
18:00 < sepp> athlon-xp
18:00 < rxr> architecture/x86# vi archtest.sh
18:00 < rxr> ^- could get some updates ,-)
18:00 < rxr> though it is not the cause of your issue
18:01 < rxr> in Build-Tools for the uname wrapper:
18:01 < rxr> arch=\$(echo \${arch_machine//-*/} | sed -e 's/sparcv.*/sparc/' -e 's/powerpc/ppc/')
18:01 < rxr> that should work, now?
18:01 < rxr> no? even
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18:02 < Demian> hi
18:02 < rxr> what is arch_machine set to inside your sandbox ?
18:02 < rxr> you could test using echo in a debug.sh shell
18:02 < rxr> hi Demian
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18:03 < Demian> you guys know about a tool that could generate parity information about a file (particularly a disk image file). I want this to recover in case of file damage.
18:03 < sepp> no arch_machine
18:03 < sepp> hi Demian
18:03 < Demian> something like parity raids do, but i have no raid :)
18:03 < rxr> oehm, sure not ?
18:04 < sepp> yes, just tested it
18:04 < rxr> Demian: you mean like md5sum ?
18:04 < rxr> sepp: strange
18:04 < rxr> Demian: most Unix folks use md5sum and sha1 for that kind of stuff
18:04 < sepp> ohh, sorry wrong terminal, that is i686 :)
18:05 < Demian> sure, but afaik md5sums are usually to check if the file or data is corrupted, not to recover it, or yes?
18:05 < rxr> oh recover
18:05 < rxr> then you need the whole file of course ...
18:05 < rxr> then copy the whole file or disc, I usually gzip them
18:06 < rxr> bzip2 takes too long\
18:06 < sepp> 3 monitors in front, showing terminals - picked the wrong one ;)
18:06 < rxr> if you want it extra fast and have space use lzo
18:06 < Demian> rxr: my images are created with partimage and gzipped.
18:07 < Demian> i know i could compress them using bzip2, and then use bzip2 recover if something fails, but that's not so useful, since most of time i backup whole file systems which won't work if I was able only to recover a portion of the whole disk.
18:08 < rxr> I think there is not a
18:08 < rxr> "simple" solution, you would need partition backups then
18:08 < rxr> otherwise you need to uncompress your image files and loop mount the partition from it
18:08 < rxr> sepp: and what does it reveal in the correct terminal ?
18:09 < rxr> oh sepp
18:09 < rxr> sorry that was from a not commit uname improvement patch ,-)))
18:09 < Demian> i expected something like two files for my disk backup: 1) the whole disk image, 2) another file with parity information about that disk image
18:09 < rxr> sepp: I commit it it fixes your problem and improves the sparc build which alters the 32 bit vs. 64 bti setting
18:10 < Demian> in raids, this parity is around 1/3 of the original disk image.
18:10 < sepp> rxr: arch_machine is correct, but arch2uname does sed s/x86$/i386/
18:10 < Demian> but wanted a software solution, not a hardware one.
18:11 < CIA-7> rene * r18736 /trunk/scripts/ (Build-Tools parse-config):
18:11 < CIA-7> * further improved the uname wrapper to use arch_machine which
18:11 < CIA-7> is exported now. This reveals more fine grained information
18:11 < CIA-7> (like i686 vs. i386) and 64 vs. 32 bit architecture when altered
18:11 < CIA-7> (sparc64 builds) for broken packages relying on this info.
18:11 < rxr> sepp: -^
18:12 < rxr> sorry was enqued due intensive testing ,-)
18:12 < sepp> :)
18:12 < rxr> but Baldzius was testing with it in his last builds also
18:12 < rxr> Baldzius: the uname wrapper improvement can go into 2.2, if that is the version you cross tested as well ,-)))
18:12 < rxr> let's see what treassures svn st reviels ,-)
18:16 < CIA-7> rene * r18737 /trunk/package/base/gmp/ (autotools.patch gmp.conf gmp.desc sparc.patch):
18:16 < CIA-7> * updated gmp (4.1.4 -> 4.2.1), from the mailing list, with sparc
18:16 < CIA-7> patch, lingering around since ages, appears to work so far
18:17 < rxr> btw. boomerang is quite cool, though it was not mature enough to decompile the ppc Sony atrac codec ,-)
18:18 < LMJ> #svn up -> svn: REPORT request failed on '/t2/!svn/vcc/default' svn: REPORT of '/t2/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.exactcode.de)
18:18 < LMJ> do you have an idea what this happens ?
18:18 < rxr> no
18:18 < rxr> ah
18:18 < rxr> maybe transparent firewall ?
18:19 < rxr> try to switch to https:// or svn://
18:20 < rxr> my server works
18:20 < rxr> you quite shocked me ,-)
18:25 < sepp> :)
18:28 < CIA-7> rene * r18739 /trunk/package/zope/ploneicalendar/ploneicalendar.desc: * fixed ploneicalendar Url tag
18:42 < LMJ> i have a fw yes ;)
18:42 < LMJ> where should i change the URL now ?
18:42 < LMJ> since "svn up" should make the job alone
18:43 < rxr> svn switch --relocate http{,s}://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
18:43 < rxr> in your t2 root
18:45 < LMJ> no no trunk
18:47 < LMJ> my proxy squid killed svn
18:48 < rxr> ack
18:48 < rxr> proxy as I named it
18:48 < rxr> squid can be patched to support WebDAV http extensions
18:49 < LMJ> ok thanks
18:49 < Demian> LMJ: proxy squid killed svn ?
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18:49 < LMJ> kicked svn ass ;
18:49 < LMJ> ;)
18:50 < Demian> what were u doing ?
18:50 < LMJ> nothing, i'm running a Squid proxy now, and since that setup it, svn can't updated anything
18:52 < Demian> transparent proxy, or user-defined proxy address?
18:53 < CIA-7> aldas * r18740 /branches/2.2/scripts/ (Build-Tools parse-config):
18:53 < CIA-7> * merged r18736 from trunk to branches/2.2:
18:53 < CIA-7> further improved the uname wrapper to use arch_machine which
18:53 < CIA-7> is exported now. This reveals more fine grained information
18:53 < CIA-7> (like i686 vs. i386) and 64 vs. 32 bit architecture when
18:53 < CIA-7> altered (sparc64 builds) for broken packages relying on this info.
18:54 < rxr> Baldzius: you diffed with the patch I gave you?
18:54 < rxr> I was not sure if the latest flavour was the same on the U30 and the Niagara(the later was not powered up)?
18:55 < Baldzius> rxr: no , but it looked very familiar
18:55 < rxr> hehe
18:55 * Baldzius is going to search for uname.patch
18:55 < rxr> Baldzius: well, will be fine
18:56 * rxr leaving te office in some secs, if someone wants to quickly bug me ...
19:01 * LMJ checked minimal & minimal-xorg and add a couple of new files in his own pkgsel, hope it will make the deal :-p
19:03 < LMJ> LOL
19:04 < LMJ> xorg-server was missing, i can understand why every X apps failed :-D
19:29 < CIA-7> chris * r18741 /trunk/package/python/psycopg/psycopg.desc:
19:29 < CIA-7> * updated psycopg (1.1.17 -> 1.1.21)
19:29 < CIA-7> * Note: Support for psycopg 1 has been discontinued!
19:31 < CIA-7> chris * r18742 /trunk/package/python/psycopg2/ (. psycopg2.cache psycopg2.desc):
19:31 < CIA-7> * added psycopg2 (2.0.2) - Python/PostgreSQL database adapter
19:31 < CIA-7> * Note: This is the currently supported stable version of psycopg!
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19:38 < morfoh> moin
19:49 < Baldzius> hi morfoh :)))
19:50 < morfoh> Hey Baldzius my friend :)))
19:50 < Baldzius> :)
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19:53 < _Ragnar_> rxr: why isn't the advanced router option selected by default in the kernel? o_o
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20:16 < CIA-7> chris * r18743 /trunk/package/python/dbutils/ (. dbutils.cache dbutils.desc): * added dbutils (0.9.1) - A suite of thread safe Python modules to connect to databases
20:28 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18744 /trunk/package/x11/glew/glew.conf: * fixed sed expression
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20:35 < morfoh> wb sepp :)
20:36 < sepp> :)
20:36 < morfoh> :)
20:41 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18745 /trunk/package/multimedia/cinelerra/ (5 files):
20:41 < CIA-7> * updated cinelerra (2.0 -> 2.1)
20:41 < CIA-7> * removed obsolete gcc patches
20:56 < sepp> morfoh: btw, graphic_3D.modeling.choice - blender needs openexr now
20:57 < morfoh> sepp: hey ... thanks ;)
20:57 < morfoh> I'added ;)
21:21 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18746 /trunk/package/audio/audacious/ (audacious.desc cleanup.patch): * updated audacious (1.0.0 -> 1.1.1)
21:27 < CIA-7> rene * r18747 /trunk/package/develop/boomerang/boomerang.desc: * marked boomerang NOPARALLEL (for now)
21:29 < morfoh> sepp: are there important notes about the new audacious ? ;)
21:30 < morfoh> sepp: btw, openexr was added ...
21:30 < morfoh> ;)
21:32 < CIA-7> rene * r18748 /trunk/package/x11/xlockmore/pam.patch: * added forgotten pam patch to xlockmore
21:35 < sepp> needs taglib now
21:35 < sepp> well, i think it did before
21:39 < sepp> and still buggy :(
21:42 < morfoh> :(
21:44 < sepp> at least it does not need gtk1 or gstreamer or what not
21:45 < CIA-7> chris * r18749 /trunk/package/python/python-mysqldb/ (. python-mysqldb.cache python-mysqldb.desc): * added python-mysqldb (1.2.1_p2) - A Python interface for MySQL
21:52 < CIA-7> chris * r18750 /trunk/package/python/pygresql/ (. pygresql.cache pygresql.desc): * added pygresql (3.8.1) - A Python interface for PostgreSQL
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08:10 < rxr> hi Baldzius
08:17 < CIA-7> rene * r18722 /trunk/package/base/htop/htop.desc: * updated htop (0.6.2 -> 0.6.3)
08:20 < Baldzius> :)
08:20 < rxr> Baldzius: I started the koffice build on the G5
08:20 < Baldzius> with the fix?
08:21 < rxr> nope to fix it ,-)
08:21 < Baldzius> oh :)
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08:55 < sepp> hello :)
08:56 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18723 /trunk/package/x11/linuxwacom/ (linuxwacom.desc xorg-7.patch): * updated linuxwacom (0.7.2 -> 0.7.4-3)
08:57 < Baldzius> hi sepp
08:57 < sepp> hi Baldzius
09:02 < rxr> hi sepp
09:02 < sepp> hi rxr
09:19 < rxr> I think it is possible to retrieve a Sony ATRAC codec form the PPC Sony binary with some ppc assembly to C regex translation ,-)
09:20 < rxr> with quite minimal efford, that is maybe in some days
09:21 < rxr> LMJ: I "fight
09:22 < rxr> LMJ: I "fight" with Sony MD DRM "crap" because I'm a MD users/owner since the mid 90th and recently got a HiMD portable recorder
09:22 < rxr> obviously I do not want to power up a WinXP AMD Geode LX box in a dusty corner to exchange music from the device
09:22 < rxr> btw. Apple iPod also does not play mp3 as it
09:23 < rxr> some binary meta data DB files have to be tweaked accordingly, likewise
09:23 < rxr> so the MD is not that worser than the iPod, just that those Gnupod folks have written a (was it Perl?) module for it
09:23 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2006-07-02/sony-mz-rh-1-md-walkman-review/
09:27 < rxr> valentin: btw the U30 is much more stable now, (with T2 HEAD)
09:27 < rxr> valentin: no lookup since then
09:27 < rxr> valentin: and it run a week once and now nearly 3 days again
09:27 < rxr> valentin: I plan to not power it down in the new office and see if it ever freezes again
12:09 < rxr> heh just found out the MD data is most probablz DES encrypted
12:09 < rxr> Baldzius: what was shared in your koffice build? I only have this file here:
12:09 < rxr> !> opt/kde3/share/doc/HTML/es/api/kfontdialog.png: kde-i18n-es koffice-i18n
12:10 < Baldzius> rxr: yes
12:10 < Baldzius> this file only
12:14 < rxr> ok / me patching
12:16 < CIA-7> chris * r18724 /trunk/package/python/itools/itools.desc: * updated itools (0.12.3 -> 0.13.8)
12:26 < rxr> ok, some more MD notes: encryption is either plain, des ecb with session key or des dbc with session key and the encyption just normal 3des it appears
12:26 < rxr> the disk key might be on a special system are to be read with some vendor command I think, but that is under review some time later
12:34 < CIA-7> chris * r18725 /trunk/package/multimedia/libosip2/libosip2.desc: * updated libosip2 (2.2.2 -> 3.0.0)
12:34 < CIA-7> chris * r18726 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.9 -> 0.9.10)
12:36 < CIA-7> chris * r18727 /trunk/package/security/samhain/samhain.desc: * updated samhain (2.2.1 -> 2.2.2)
12:40 < CIA-7> rene * r18728 /trunk/package/kde/koffice-i18n/shared-files.patch.koffice-l10n-es: * fixed shared file of koffice-i18n (koffice-l10n-es)
12:52 < CIA-7> rene * r18729 /trunk/architecture/ (sparc/kernel.conf.m4 sparc64/kernel.conf.m4): * link the main RTC support into the sparc* kernels
13:06 < rxr> bets taken how long I
13:06 < rxr> 'll need to get the first audio onto or from the device ,-)
14:46 < CIA-7> chris * r18730 /trunk/package/develop/flawfinder/ (. flawfinder.cache flawfinder.desc): * added flawfinder (1.26) - A program that scans source code looking for security weaknesses.
14:54 < CIA-7> rene * r18731 /trunk/package/develop/boomerang/ (. boomerang.cache boomerang.conf boomerang.desc gcc41.patch): * added boomerang (2006-07-01) - A decompiler for native executables
14:57 < rxr> hm, janitor task: remove the trailing dots of I tags as shown by:
14:57 < rxr> grep "\[I\].*\.$" */*/*.desc
14:57 < rxr> 115 currently :-(
15:02 < rxr> AMD ?bernimmt ATI f?r 5,4 Milliarden Dollar
15:02 < rxr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:16 < LMJ> moin moin
15:17 < rxr> moin moin LMJ
15:17 < rxr> I pasted notes why I work on Sony Hi-MD related code, do you see them in your scrollback ?
15:17 < LMJ> sup rxr ?
15:18 < LMJ> yes ;)
15:18 < LMJ> MD user ;)
15:18 < LMJ> why not get a simple mp3/c/ogg player ?
15:19 < rxr> because as I wrote in my plog I also used to make music myself or record gigs of friends and the like
15:20 < rxr> nearly no mp3 junk allows recording
15:20 < LMJ> hehe
15:20 < rxr> and btw. the iPod also required binary database bookkeeping file updates
15:20 < rxr> also I can exchange the 1GB MDs and place them in the shelf
15:20 < rxr> when I drop a mp3 player on the floor I often kiss my music good bye
15:21 < rxr> and last but not least the 1GB HiMD form nice data exchange media
15:21 < rxr> e.g. few people use comfortable packet writing with CDs and just drag'n droping file onto your HiMD 1GB magneto optical disc with a neat form factor is just nice
15:21 < LMJ> but the HD re-encode one again the music
15:22 < rxr> nope the 2nd gen himd players play mp3
15:22 < LMJ> Md*
15:22 < LMJ> those MD has been old-school before they came out :-P
15:22 < rxr> and in times when I started with MD ATRAC had superior quality to MP3, there have been no MP3 players and thus the PCM got directly to ATRAC anyway\
15:22 < rxr> hehe, no
15:23 < rxr> MDs have been 10 years to early to be successful
15:23 < rxr> few had an idea what to do with them
15:23 < rxr> the biggest thing Sony did wrong was not releasing cheap floppy drives
15:23 < LMJ> well, it will be a good contribution for OSS ;)
15:23 < rxr> then in 1995 we would have get rid of 1.44" flopies
15:23 < rxr> floppies
15:24 < rxr> but the only extremly expensive drive at that time was of course not a success
15:24 < rxr> but just because of the $$$$ price
15:24 < LMJ> rxr : do you know where is "48301 Nottuln" in germany ?
15:25 < rxr> nope ,-)
15:25 < rxr> according the the number somewhere in the middle but I have not heared that name before
15:26 < LMJ> great
15:26 < LMJ> my mail has been lost between france and Nottuln ;)
15:38 < rxr> snailmail ?
15:48 < LMJ> regular mail
15:48 < LMJ> you know
15:48 < LMJ> the one made of paper ;)
15:48 < rxr> snailmail ,-)
16:12 < CIA-7> rene * r18732 /trunk/package/develop/boomerang/ (boomerang.cache boomerang.conf progpath.patch): * fixed boomerang to work from installed system locations
16:49 < LMJ> hey rxr , do you have 10min to waste to help me to make 3 new packages i will maintain. They are both simple PERL network admin utils, but i don't know how deal with them
16:52 < rxr> sure
16:52 < rxr> best take a look into the various package/perl-* packages
16:52 < rxr> when it are normal cpan modules it is very simple\
16:52 < rxr> just ordinary packages
16:52 < LMJ> hooOoo ;)
17:03 < LMJ> i can't find my pleasure rxr
17:04 < rxr> no good example ?
17:05 < LMJ> I would like to package "nikto" who can be divided in 2 parts : copy the .pl to /usr/bin and the "doc" folder to /usr/share/nikto or so
17:05 < rxr> well than do this:
17:05 < rxr> makeopt=
17:05 < rxr> makeinstopt=
17:05 < LMJ> almost the same for "logrotate"
17:05 < rxr> hook_append makeopt 5 "install nikito.pl $root$bindir/"
17:06 < rxr> hook_append makeopt 5 "install doc/* $root$docdir/"
17:12 < LMJ> i would like to SED a couple of line too ;)
17:14 < rxr> ouhm
17:14 < rxr> ah what shit have I posted there ..
17:14 < rxr> hook_append postmake of course
17:15 < rxr> hook_append postmake 5 "install nikito.pl $root$bindir/"
17:15 < rxr> hook_append postmake 5 "install doc/* $root$docdir/"
17:15 < rxr> hook_append inmake 5 "sed -i ..."
17:15 < rxr> or postmake with a lower priority whatever you prefer
17:16 < LMJ> ok thanks
17:16 < LMJ> I will check it out
17:54 < rxr> yay, fixed another outstanding sparc bug ,-)
17:56 < CIA-7> aldas * r18733 /branches/2.2/package/kde/koffice-i18n/shared-files.patch.koffice-l10n-es:
17:56 < CIA-7> * merged r18728 from trunk to branches/2.2:
17:56 < CIA-7> fixed shared file of koffice-i18n (koffice-l10n-es)
17:57 < CIA-7> rene * r18734 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/ (4 files):
17:57 < CIA-7> * patched the binutils linker (ld) to default to 32bit on sparc64 with
17:57 < CIA-7> 32bit user-land, as we do patch gcc. This actually fixes quite some
17:57 < CIA-7> packages, including the mozilla familly and exact-build based
17:57 < CIA-7> packages such as exact-image.
17:57 < rxr> Baldzius: can go into 2.2 -^ though only tested on the workstation I set in front, not in a whole build
17:58 < rxr> but I can power up the niagara the next days ...
17:58 < Baldzius> rxr: ack
17:58 < rxr> still need to carry it into the new office ,-)
17:59 < sepp> uname wrapper should return i686 on >pentium?? - as real uname does
17:59 < rxr> hm
17:59 < rxr> what does it return right now ?
17:59 < rxr> it should return what you configured your buld for
17:59 < rxr> build for
17:59 < sepp> uname -m i686, wrapper i386
17:59 < CIA-7> aldas * r18735 /branches/2.2/architecture/ (sparc/kernel.conf.m4 sparc64/kernel.conf.m4):
17:59 < CIA-7> * merged r18729 from trunk to branches/2.2:
17:59 < CIA-7> link the main RTC support into the sparc* kernels
17:59 < rxr> what do you optimize for ?
18:00 < sepp> athlon-xp
18:00 < rxr> architecture/x86# vi archtest.sh
18:00 < rxr> ^- could get some updates ,-)
18:00 < rxr> though it is not the cause of your issue
18:01 < rxr> in Build-Tools for the uname wrapper:
18:01 < rxr> arch=\$(echo \${arch_machine//-*/} | sed -e 's/sparcv.*/sparc/' -e 's/powerpc/ppc/')
18:01 < rxr> that should work, now?
18:01 < rxr> no? even
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18:02 < Demian> hi
18:02 < rxr> what is arch_machine set to inside your sandbox ?
18:02 < rxr> you could test using echo in a debug.sh shell
18:02 < rxr> hi Demian
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18:03 < Demian> you guys know about a tool that could generate parity information about a file (particularly a disk image file). I want this to recover in case of file damage.
18:03 < sepp> no arch_machine
18:03 < sepp> hi Demian
18:03 < Demian> something like parity raids do, but i have no raid :)
18:03 < rxr> oehm, sure not ?
18:04 < sepp> yes, just tested it
18:04 < rxr> Demian: you mean like md5sum ?
18:04 < rxr> sepp: strange
18:04 < rxr> Demian: most Unix folks use md5sum and sha1 for that kind of stuff
18:04 < sepp> ohh, sorry wrong terminal, that is i686 :)
18:05 < Demian> sure, but afaik md5sums are usually to check if the file or data is corrupted, not to recover it, or yes?
18:05 < rxr> oh recover
18:05 < rxr> then you need the whole file of course ...
18:05 < rxr> then copy the whole file or disc, I usually gzip them
18:06 < rxr> bzip2 takes too long\
18:06 < sepp> 3 monitors in front, showing terminals - picked the wrong one ;)
18:06 < rxr> if you want it extra fast and have space use lzo
18:06 < Demian> rxr: my images are created with partimage and gzipped.
18:07 < Demian> i know i could compress them using bzip2, and then use bzip2 recover if something fails, but that's not so useful, since most of time i backup whole file systems which won't work if I was able only to recover a portion of the whole disk.
18:08 < rxr> I think there is not a
18:08 < rxr> "simple" solution, you would need partition backups then
18:08 < rxr> otherwise you need to uncompress your image files and loop mount the partition from it
18:08 < rxr> sepp: and what does it reveal in the correct terminal ?
18:09 < rxr> oh sepp
18:09 < rxr> sorry that was from a not commit uname improvement patch ,-)))
18:09 < Demian> i expected something like two files for my disk backup: 1) the whole disk image, 2) another file with parity information about that disk image
18:09 < rxr> sepp: I commit it it fixes your problem and improves the sparc build which alters the 32 bit vs. 64 bti setting
18:10 < Demian> in raids, this parity is around 1/3 of the original disk image.
18:10 < sepp> rxr: arch_machine is correct, but arch2uname does sed s/x86$/i386/
18:10 < Demian> but wanted a software solution, not a hardware one.
18:11 < CIA-7> rene * r18736 /trunk/scripts/ (Build-Tools parse-config):
18:11 < CIA-7> * further improved the uname wrapper to use arch_machine which
18:11 < CIA-7> is exported now. This reveals more fine grained information
18:11 < CIA-7> (like i686 vs. i386) and 64 vs. 32 bit architecture when altered
18:11 < CIA-7> (sparc64 builds) for broken packages relying on this info.
18:11 < rxr> sepp: -^
18:12 < rxr> sorry was enqued due intensive testing ,-)
18:12 < sepp> :)
18:12 < rxr> but Baldzius was testing with it in his last builds also
18:12 < rxr> Baldzius: the uname wrapper improvement can go into 2.2, if that is the version you cross tested as well ,-)))
18:12 < rxr> let's see what treassures svn st reviels ,-)
18:16 < CIA-7> rene * r18737 /trunk/package/base/gmp/ (autotools.patch gmp.conf gmp.desc sparc.patch):
18:16 < CIA-7> * updated gmp (4.1.4 -> 4.2.1), from the mailing list, with sparc
18:16 < CIA-7> patch, lingering around since ages, appears to work so far
18:17 < rxr> btw. boomerang is quite cool, though it was not mature enough to decompile the ppc Sony atrac codec ,-)
18:18 < LMJ> #svn up -> svn: REPORT request failed on '/t2/!svn/vcc/default' svn: REPORT of '/t2/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.exactcode.de)
18:18 < LMJ> do you have an idea what this happens ?
18:18 < rxr> no
18:18 < rxr> ah
18:18 < rxr> maybe transparent firewall ?
18:19 < rxr> try to switch to https:// or svn://
18:20 < rxr> my server works
18:20 < rxr> you quite shocked me ,-)
18:25 < sepp> :)
18:28 < CIA-7> rene * r18739 /trunk/package/zope/ploneicalendar/ploneicalendar.desc: * fixed ploneicalendar Url tag
18:42 < LMJ> i have a fw yes ;)
18:42 < LMJ> where should i change the URL now ?
18:42 < LMJ> since "svn up" should make the job alone
18:43 < rxr> svn switch --relocate http{,s}://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
18:43 < rxr> in your t2 root
18:45 < LMJ> no no trunk
18:47 < LMJ> my proxy squid killed svn
18:48 < rxr> ack
18:48 < rxr> proxy as I named it
18:48 < rxr> squid can be patched to support WebDAV http extensions
18:49 < LMJ> ok thanks
18:49 < Demian> LMJ: proxy squid killed svn ?
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18:49 < LMJ> kicked svn ass ;
18:49 < LMJ> ;)
18:50 < Demian> what were u doing ?
18:50 < LMJ> nothing, i'm running a Squid proxy now, and since that setup it, svn can't updated anything
18:52 < Demian> transparent proxy, or user-defined proxy address?
18:53 < CIA-7> aldas * r18740 /branches/2.2/scripts/ (Build-Tools parse-config):
18:53 < CIA-7> * merged r18736 from trunk to branches/2.2:
18:53 < CIA-7> further improved the uname wrapper to use arch_machine which
18:53 < CIA-7> is exported now. This reveals more fine grained information
18:53 < CIA-7> (like i686 vs. i386) and 64 vs. 32 bit architecture when
18:53 < CIA-7> altered (sparc64 builds) for broken packages relying on this info.
18:54 < rxr> Baldzius: you diffed with the patch I gave you?
18:54 < rxr> I was not sure if the latest flavour was the same on the U30 and the Niagara(the later was not powered up)?
18:55 < Baldzius> rxr: no , but it looked very familiar
18:55 < rxr> hehe
18:55 * Baldzius is going to search for uname.patch
18:55 < rxr> Baldzius: well, will be fine
18:56 * rxr leaving te office in some secs, if someone wants to quickly bug me ...
19:01 * LMJ checked minimal & minimal-xorg and add a couple of new files in his own pkgsel, hope it will make the deal :-p
19:03 < LMJ> LOL
19:04 < LMJ> xorg-server was missing, i can understand why every X apps failed :-D
19:29 < CIA-7> chris * r18741 /trunk/package/python/psycopg/psycopg.desc:
19:29 < CIA-7> * updated psycopg (1.1.17 -> 1.1.21)
19:29 < CIA-7> * Note: Support for psycopg 1 has been discontinued!
19:31 < CIA-7> chris * r18742 /trunk/package/python/psycopg2/ (. psycopg2.cache psycopg2.desc):
19:31 < CIA-7> * added psycopg2 (2.0.2) - Python/PostgreSQL database adapter
19:31 < CIA-7> * Note: This is the currently supported stable version of psycopg!
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19:38 < morfoh> moin
19:49 < Baldzius> hi morfoh :)))
19:50 < morfoh> Hey Baldzius my friend :)))
19:50 < Baldzius> :)
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20:16 < CIA-7> chris * r18743 /trunk/package/python/dbutils/ (. dbutils.cache dbutils.desc): * added dbutils (0.9.1) - A suite of thread safe Python modules to connect to databases
20:28 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18744 /trunk/package/x11/glew/glew.conf: * fixed sed expression
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20:35 < morfoh> wb sepp :)
20:36 < sepp> :)
20:36 < morfoh> :)
20:41 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18745 /trunk/package/multimedia/cinelerra/ (5 files):
20:41 < CIA-7> * updated cinelerra (2.0 -> 2.1)
20:41 < CIA-7> * removed obsolete gcc patches
20:56 < sepp> morfoh: btw, graphic_3D.modeling.choice - blender needs openexr now
20:57 < morfoh> sepp: hey ... thanks ;)
20:57 < morfoh> I'added ;)
21:21 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18746 /trunk/package/audio/audacious/ (audacious.desc cleanup.patch): * updated audacious (1.0.0 -> 1.1.1)
21:27 < CIA-7> rene * r18747 /trunk/package/develop/boomerang/boomerang.desc: * marked boomerang NOPARALLEL (for now)
21:29 < morfoh> sepp: are there important notes about the new audacious ? ;)
21:30 < morfoh> sepp: btw, openexr was added ...
21:30 < morfoh> ;)
21:32 < CIA-7> rene * r18748 /trunk/package/x11/xlockmore/pam.patch: * added forgotten pam patch to xlockmore
21:35 < sepp> needs taglib now
21:35 < sepp> well, i think it did before
21:39 < sepp> and still buggy :(
21:42 < morfoh> :(
21:44 < sepp> at least it does not need gtk1 or gstreamer or what not
21:45 < CIA-7> chris * r18749 /trunk/package/python/python-mysqldb/ (. python-mysqldb.cache python-mysqldb.desc): * added python-mysqldb (1.2.1_p2) - A Python interface for MySQL
21:52 < CIA-7> chris * r18750 /trunk/package/python/pygresql/ (. pygresql.cache pygresql.desc): * added pygresql (3.8.1) - A Python interface for PostgreSQL
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