T2 IRC Log: 2006-06-13

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--- Log opened Tue Jun 13 00:00:25 2006
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01:07 < Lucifer_arma> !> gcc -g -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_COMPILE -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-p ..
01:07 < Lucifer_arma> !> fl_wrapper.so: write outside basedir (/home/dave/Projects/t2-trunk): /root ..
01:07 < Lucifer_arma> from the branch
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02:55 < Lucifer_arma> that was with optimization set to Athlon, not AthlonXP or Athlon MP
02:55 < Lucifer_arma> set it to Pentium and then 486 and it went away, but now I get this:
02:55 < Lucifer_arma> checking for i486-t2-linux-gnu-gcc... i486-t2-linux-gnu-gcc
02:55 < Lucifer_arma> checking for suffix of object files... configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile
02:55 < Lucifer_arma> that's with glibc, and it hasn't gone away
02:55 < Lucifer_arma> building desktop target
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06:40 < Lucifer_arma> why is it building glibc from cvs, anyway? Why not a release?
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06:45 < mipe_> rxr: you awake? or anyone that has used mac os x
06:45 < mipe_> i curse the day when my boss gave me mac as work pc
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06:53 < Baldzius> good morning
06:55 < mipe_> morning Baldzius
06:56 < Baldzius> hi mipe_
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08:24 < Lucifer_arma> glibc isn't building for me in an uptodate branch checkout. Anybody else having problems with it?
08:26 < rxr> mipe_: yes, what is your osx problem?
08:27 < rxr> I have to use it a lot some days
08:27 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: on trunk glibc did not change for 6 months
08:27 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: there is no known problem on normal platforms, aside sparc*
08:27 < Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I'm on a normal platform
08:27 < Lucifer_arma> checking for suffix of object files... configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile
08:27 < Lucifer_arma> See `config.log' for more details.
08:27 < Lucifer_arma> Due to previous errors, no 1-glibc.log file!
08:27 < Lucifer_arma> during configure, obviously
08:28 < rxr> mnemoc: --relocate may not be used for inter-tree switches
08:28 < rxr> --relocate is _ONLY_ for server moves, not inter-tree branch changes ....
08:30 < mipe_> rxr:i got it fixed now, just typical new user mistake i guess
08:32 < rxr> osx is actually quite usable when you got used to it a bit, somwhere between t2 and windows, usability and stability wise ...
08:34 < rxr> in past times I found the hardware quality quite nice, but with the Intel machines it dropped majorly ...
08:34 < rxr> e.g. the boxes get hot like hell ...
08:34 < rxr> and on the weekend my dual-core G5 power supply blow away, which annoys the h*ll out of me ...
08:35 < rxr> especially carring the heavy box thru berlin to the next apple "dealer"
08:35 < rxr> there peesea stuff is in favour where you can grab another atx power-supply at the next "supermarket"
08:37 < rxr> heh, the sparc finished 1-linux in the night ...
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09:17 [Users #t2]
09:17 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-7 ] [ laj_ ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ tdi ]
09:17 [ acehunky] [ dsoul ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ valentin ]
09:17 [ Baldzius] [ idealm] [ mipe_] [ MusiFreq] [ sparc-kly] [ _Ragnar__]
09:17 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
09:41 < mtr> moin
09:46 < mtr> 2.2-stable reference build: 1-linux26 fails due to "At least one of the 3rd party kernel modules failed!"
09:48 < mtr> rxr: i want to suggest some changes/patches to linux2{4,6}, do you have a min?
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10:16 < rxr> mtr: sure
10:16 < rxr> mtr: what 3rd party module failed ?
10:16 < rxr> I fixed all reasonable but had not the spare time to fix all the esoteric
10:20 < rxr> if there are really strange erros in seldome used module packages I would select O them ...
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10:27 < mtr> rxr: failing modules are zaptel, cloop, nvidia-legacy, rivatv, rt2570, lazyfs
10:28 < mtr> but i think it would be more user-friendly to continue the build regardless of some failing modules
10:29 < rxr> we did that in the past and decided only to do so on rebuild stage 9 and such also emerge to get the build errors fixed by people who want to see the build going ong
10:30 < rxr> however I think only I ondergone the pain to fix a handful of those 3rd party modules
10:30 < rxr> all that are in the desktop build and wlan ones more that I added to the desktop build thereafter
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10:46 < mtr> yep, for sure the decision to honour the module errors has a good reason
10:47 < mtr> what do you think about logging the module failure to any temporary file, and later on the package build for this module should include this kernel build error?
10:47 < rxr> hm
10:48 < rxr> I think we do should not try to propagate to different, misleading places
10:48 < rxr> maybe I give those a spin a fix what is fixable and the reminders are left for other contributors and marked O until then ?
10:49 < rxr> so people that want to use them have to fix those anyway and other people who do not use e.g. lazyfs will not be bothered at all
10:49 < rxr> the others patches on the list can most probably go in as it
10:49 < rxr> have you tested that the cross built initrd actually works?
10:49 < rxr> e.g. contains the correct {usb,pci,...}map files and the like ?
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11:02 < horst> morfoh, u there?
11:03 < mtr> rxr: ok, then keep the pressure on fixing module errors, and this raises the burden for the one upating the linux kernel ... ;-)
11:05 < mtr> rxr: i did cross build initrds for xscale and amd64, and afair both worked well, but before commiting i will rebuild these targets
11:07 < rxr> you have xscale silicon ?
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11:09 < mnemoc> rxr: i know --relocate should not be used to change from one tree to another, that's why i just told him to use svn switch
11:10 < rxr> the uname wrapper needs to be improved to pick up the $arch dynamically, stuff like sparc64 with 32bit userland alters it conditonally, .. anyone ?
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11:19 < mtr> rxr: i still have a xscale development kit from CompuLab, a leftover from a customer project which i will not return until they have paid :-\
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11:38 < rxr> mtr: ouhm :-
11:38 < rxr> \
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12:23 < rxr> I can chroot into my new sparc build already and both the 32 and 64 glibc appear to work so far ,-)
12:31 < rxr> maybe we shoudl readd gcc-3.4 for such slower boxes ...
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13:18 < shekhar_info> hi
13:19 < mnemoc> hi
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14:55 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.2 Branched! - trunk going for 2.3 | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
14:55 -!- mode/#t2 [-o mnemoc] by mnemoc
14:56 < LMJ> moin moin
14:57 < mnemoc> moin LMJ
14:58 < LMJ> how are you mnemoc ?
14:58 < mnemoc> good, and you?
15:00 < LMJ> fine, thanks
15:02 < horst> Hi doc, bist du da?
15:03 < LMJ> t2 starting to be improved ;)
15:03 < mnemoc> ?
15:04 < LMJ> some scripts, new 2.3 trunk
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15:24 < morfoh> moin :)
15:24 < morfoh> horst: :)
15:24 < mnemoc> moin morfoh :)
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15:49 < horst> Hi doc
15:49 < horst> Ich bin draussen einen Satelliten Schuessel in Betrieb zu nehmen
15:50 < morfoh> horst: english only here ;)
15:50 < horst> move
15:50 < morfoh> horst: I hope you can speak english :p
15:50 < horst> i am going to try
15:50 < morfoh> good :)
15:50 < morfoh> look at your private message
15:51 < horst> Where are the private messages, u know I do not use irc
15:51 < mnemoc> o_O
15:51 < morfoh> hmmm ... what client ?
15:52 < morfoh> horst: hopefully you'll find them soon ... but you have to autheticate on freenode that I'll be able to read your messages
15:53 < morfoh> horst: but anyway ... good to see you around ;)
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16:14 < morfoh> horst: please check the website on you newly registred domain
16:14 < morfoh> /you/your/
16:15 < morfoh> and authenticate yourself ! :)
16:34 < LMJ> hello the chan again
16:34 < rxr> hi LMJ
16:35 < LMJ> do you know swatch rxr ?
16:36 < LMJ> or logrotate or nikto
16:36 < LMJ> I don't see them on t2 packages
16:37 < morfoh> hi LMJ + rxr
16:38 < LMJ> hello morfoh
16:39 < morfoh> horst: will you finish to setup the satellite dish today ?
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16:57 [Users #t2]
16:57 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ laj_ ] [ morfoh] [ sepp_ ] [ valentin ]
16:57 [ acehunky] [ horst ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly] [ _Ragnar__]
16:57 [ CIA-7 ] [ idealm] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ tdi ]
16:57 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
17:06 < LMJ> Can "Emerge-Pkg" can just copy files, not compile anything ?
17:06 < LMJ> *can*
17:06 < mnemoc> there are many packages which don'T compile anything
17:06 < LMJ> good
17:07 < mnemoc> there are even packages without [D]s
17:07 < LMJ> i would like to add scripts perls who are basicaly for server monitoring : swatch, logrotate and nikto
17:08 < LMJ> swatch looks like the most hard with a "perl Makefile make make install make realclean"
17:08 < LMJ> i have to say i don't know how to deal with them
17:08 < mnemoc> T2 knows to install perl packages
17:09 < LMJ> so swatch should be done fingers in the noze ;)
17:09 < LMJ> about logrotate : there are 2 files, one should move to /etc/ and the other one in /usr/bin
17:10 < mnemoc> cp to $sysconfdir, and to $bindir
17:11 < LMJ> about nikto, there are a couple of file to copy (a perl + some plugins in a subdir), i think /opt could be a good place with a symlink to /usr/bin, no ?
17:11 < mnemoc> why duplicate?
17:11 < LMJ> move*
17:12 < LMJ> nikto doesn't need any compilation too
17:12 < _Ragnar__> hi hi
17:14 < LMJ> hy _Ragnar__
17:22 < LMJ> i will catch you mnemoc in private when i will try to package those 3 programs
17:23 < mnemoc> uhm, ok.... but in public is ok
17:27 < LMJ> I don't want to show how i'm a t2 n00b ;)
17:28 < LMJ> i'm prudish/bashful ;)
17:29 < mnemoc> ^_^
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18:15 < morfoh> horst: give me a ping if you are ready
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19:29 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.2 Branched! - trunk going for 2.3 | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
19:29 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 13 15:03:53 2006]
19:29 [Users #t2]
19:29 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-7] [ laj_ ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ tdi ]
19:29 [ acehunky] [ dsoul] [ LMJ ] [ morfoh] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin ]
19:29 [ Baldzius] [ horst] [ Lucifer_arma] [ mtr ] [ sepp_] [ _Ragnar__]
19:29 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
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19:29 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004
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19:43 < rxr_> it appears at a pizzeria or so some foots away someone was shot or so
19:43 < rxr_> at lot of poiice and such around ...
19:45 < _Ragnar__> O_O
19:49 < tdi> Linux ra-v1 2.6.16.18-xenU #3 SMP Mon Jun 12 11:01:32 CEST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz GNU/Linux
19:49 < tdi> sorry not here
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