--- Log opened Mon Jun 05 00:00:00 2006 00:15 -!- NovenTheHero [n=Noven@cpe-065-191-000-208.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 00:17 < NovenTheHero> hello =) 00:17 < mnemoc> time to sleep, gn8 * 00:22 < LuciEatsPeople> heh 00:22 < LuciEatsPeople> that means I'm cooking dinner and feeding my family :) 00:48 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200.70.145.233] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:53 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200.70.176.6] has joined #t2 01:03 < karasz> cu guys 01:04 -!- idealm [n=ideal@218.82.57.233] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:15 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.91] has joined #t2 01:39 < keinek> hey my t2 rc 2.2 compilation is in stage 5, i cant believe it, congratulations guys, this is work fine :) 02:25 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma 02:38 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc@64.237.241.192] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:39 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc@64.237.241.192] has joined #t2 03:20 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E10C53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 03:34 -!- mtr [n=Michael@pD9E12864.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:34 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 05:32 < CIA-3> aldas * r17799 /trunk/package/contrib/dfb-extra/ (dfb-extra.conf dfb-extra.desc): 05:32 < CIA-3> * updated dfb-extra (0.9.23 -> 0.9.25) 05:32 < CIA-3> * copyright update 05:33 < CIA-3> aldas * r17800 /trunk/package/contrib/dfb-examples/dfb-examples.desc: * updated dfb-examples (0.9.23 -> 0.9.25) 05:33 < CIA-3> aldas * r17801 /trunk/package/contrib/dfb++/dfb++.desc: * updated dfb++ (0.9.23 -> 0.9.25) 05:42 < CIA-3> aldas * r17802 /trunk/package/scientific/root/root.desc: * updated root (5.08.00 -> 5.11.06) 05:42 -!- keinek_ [n=keinek@200.70.161.222] has joined #t2 05:45 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200.70.176.6] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:52 < Lucifer_arma> there's no init on the iso installer image 05:52 < Lucifer_arma> qemu says there isn't anyway, when I try to boot it 05:52 < Lucifer_arma> what package did I forget this time? :( 07:41 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.107.175] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:54 -!- You're now known as rxr 07:54 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 07:54 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: no idea - where did you get what exact error ? 07:54 [Users #t2] 07:54 [@ChanServ] [ idealm ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly] 07:54 [ AzianFlu] [ karasz ] [ Lucifer_arma] [ NovenTheHero] [ tdi ] 07:54 [ CIA-3 ] [ keinek_] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 07:54 [ dsoul ] [ laj_ ] [ mnemoc ] [ sepp ] [ _Ragnar_ ] 07:54 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 07:54 < Lucifer_arma> qemu, while booting the iso image 07:59 < rxr> hm 07:59 < rxr> what target did you build? generic + selfdefined package selection ? 08:00 < rxr> maybe you miss one of the bits required for the early userspace: udev, pdksh, minised, embutils, dietlibc disktype 08:00 < rxr> IIRC 08:00 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: you should have used something more pre-defined to your first tests, steps ,-)) 08:00 < Lucifer_arma> custom target 08:00 < Lucifer_arma> first target I built built fine. :) It was the desktop, awhile back. Now I'm customizing.... ;) 08:02 < Lucifer_arma> those are all in there 08:02 < Lucifer_arma> oh, the exact error was "Kernel panic, no /init found" 08:03 < Lucifer_arma> Failed to execute /init 08:03 < Lucifer_arma> Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. 08:06 < rxr> guess pdksh is missing 08:07 < Lucifer_arma> hmmm, it's in the pkgsel file 08:08 < Lucifer_arma> it's in build/*/var/adm/packages 08:09 < Lucifer_arma> root@ghostwheel:/home/dave/Projects/t2-trunk/build/carlinux-2.2-trunk-carlinux-x86-i486/var/adm/logs# ls *pdksh* 08:09 < Lucifer_arma> 1-pdksh.log 5-pdksh.log 08:09 < rxr> hm 08:09 < misl> morning all 08:09 < Lucifer_arma> I started with the minimal.in file from the generic target 08:10 < rxr> that is suppost to work 08:10 < rxr> you have dietlibc in your build ? 08:10 < Lucifer_arma> yes 08:11 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.96.5] has joined #t2 08:11 < rxr> f# file build/.../bin/pdksh 08:11 < rxr> -f 08:11 -!- nick01 [n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro] has joined #t2 08:11 < nick01> hi 08:11 < nick01> anyone around ? 08:12 < nick01> the install is stuck at that type stone stage 08:12 < Lucifer_arma> bin/pdksh: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped 08:13 < rxr> it must be statically linked 08:13 < Lucifer_arma> sbin/init is there too 08:14 < rxr> the init is not the one used for the install CD 08:14 < nick01> HELP !!! 08:14 < rxr> nick01: yeah - hi 08:14 < nick01> hi 08:14 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: can you rebuild pdksh: ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg your-config-id -job 5-pdksh 08:14 < nick01> this is the ppc version btw 08:14 < rxr> nick01: ah - nice, where do you need help ? 08:15 < Lucifer_arma> sure, I was firing up Config to see if I set a wrong config item 08:15 < nick01> I just wanna install it 08:15 < nick01> it sais trype stone 08:15 < nick01> I typed stone 08:15 < nick01> I pressed enter 08:15 < nick01> and nothing happens 08:16 < rxr> when you booted the CD, right ?= 08:16 < nick01> yeah 08:16 < rxr> I think one must type "install" 08:16 < rxr> IIRC 08:16 < rxr> does the text list stone ? 08:16 < nick01> it sais type stone 08:16 < nick01> after loading the second stage 08:17 < rxr> yeak - ok stone should work 08:18 < nick01> it doesn't work 08:18 < rxr> do you have the ppc or ppc64 ISO ? 08:18 < nick01> ppc 08:18 < rxr> and what hardware are you on ? 08:18 < nick01> ibook g3 300 mhz 08:18 < nick01> clamshell 08:18 < rxr> hm, that should be all fine 08:18 < Lucifer_arma> file build/*/bin/pdksh 08:18 < Lucifer_arma> build/carlinux-2.2-trunk-carlinux-x86-i486/bin/pdksh: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped 08:18 < rxr> when you type stone, is there an error or just nothing as in "hanging" 08:19 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: did you start your own target, or did you alter / add some pkg preselection template ß 08:19 < rxr> ? even 08:19 < Lucifer_arma> I started my own target, taking files from generic to set it up 08:19 < nick01> hanging 08:19 < Lucifer_arma> I took config.in and build.sh from generic and used them unmodified 08:19 < nick01> I typed stone on the next line again 08:19 < nick01> I tried install 08:19 < Lucifer_arma> wait, that's not true, config.in is different 08:19 < nick01> nothingt nada] 08:21 < nick01> well ? 08:21 < nick01> rxr: ? 08:21 < nick01> try text ? 08:22 < rxr> nick01: strange, the ppc isos have been tested to work here 08:22 * rxr can not really imagine what could be wrong 08:22 < Lucifer_arma> -> Preparing configuration to build this package with dietlibc (dynamically). 08:23 * Lucifer_arma thinks he's zeroing in on what's wrong 08:23 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: I bet your config.in differs in a way to not for the early userspace packages to be static 08:23 < nick01> don't feel so bad - suse 10.1 didn't even get detected fc5's installer gave errors and the last ubuntu released now didn't even boot right 08:23 < rxr> nick01: I retest the ISO on a 900Mhz iBook here and come back to you in some minutes, ok ? 08:23 < nick01> firmware error 08:24 < nick01> k 08:24 < rxr> nick01: the framebuffer console looked all right I hope ? 08:24 < nick01> yes 08:25 < Lucifer_arma> in ./scripts/Config, pdksh was marked to link dynamically to dietlibc 08:26 < Lucifer_arma> it wouldn't unmark, so I just disabled it globally 08:26 < Lucifer_arma> -> Preparing configuration to build this package with dietlibc (statically). 08:26 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: so go readd the static marks ;-) 08:27 < rxr> nick01: ok, cd burning - I give you a note in 15 minutes ++ 08:27 < nick01> rxr: maybe u should get a clamshell yourself to test on 08:28 < Lucifer_arma> still same error 08:30 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: you know that you need a Build-Target without a -job specification to let it rebuild your image ? 08:30 < rxr> and then a Create-ISO ? 08:31 < Lucifer_arma> umm, not sure, but I just ran it as you're saying and waiting 08:31 < rxr> Build-Target -job ?-some-job 08:31 < rxr> Build-Target 08:31 < nick01> your installer is very slow - it's written in python or what ? :) 08:31 < rxr> ^- will only rebuild the images 08:31 < Lucifer_arma> no, it would blaze if it were written in python. 08:31 < Lucifer_arma> it's all shell scripts.... 08:32 < rxr> nick01: it did come up now ? 08:32 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: and the Create-ISO to build the iso images 08:32 < nick01> now it's stuck at if u use a serial terminal 08:32 < rxr> the stuff is actually pretty normal speed 08:32 < rxr> it should start immediatly 08:32 < Lucifer_arma> ok, still same error after doing Build-Target like normal and Create-ISO 08:33 < nick01> it's been like that for a while 08:33 < rxr> nick01: what do you have on the screen now ? 08:33 < Lucifer_arma> yeah, the bottleneck on installers is CDROM/hard drive speed anyway, it's terribly difficult to write an installer that makes it much slower than that already 08:33 < Lucifer_arma> you'd have to be trying to make the installer slow, heh 08:34 < Lucifer_arma> those distributions that claim fast installations just do it by not installing crap nobody ever uses anyway 08:34 < nick01> rxr: that paragraph about serial terminal and serial port 08:34 < rxr> err 08:34 < rxr> you just hit enter there right ? 08:34 < nick01> that's the last thing on the screen 08:34 < Lucifer_arma> rxr: do I need to cleanup first? 08:34 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: nope 08:34 < nick01> no I hit nothing 08:34 < rxr> you need to hit enter on the serial / console questions 08:34 < nick01> should I ? 08:34 < rxr> in order to use the default 08:34 < nick01> k 08:35 < rxr> yes it is written there 08:35 < Lucifer_arma> maybe I've somehow left the 2nd stage out of the installer? 08:35 < rxr> well, ok only what the default is 08:35 < nick01> works now ! 08:37 < CIA-3> rene * r17803 /trunk/target/share/install/rootfs/sbin/init: 08:37 < CIA-3> * clarified the 2nd stage console question and list the class, now 08:37 < CIA-3> u/dev name for the serial ports 08:37 < rxr> so now you are in the installer ;-) ? 08:37 < nick01> rxr: should I use a hfs partition 1 mb for /boot ? 08:38 < rxr> nope this 1mb hfs partition is the bootstrap partition for the boot loader 08:38 < rxr> do not use it for anything 08:38 < rxr> yaboot resists on it 08:38 < nick01> I don't mount it ? 08:38 < rxr> nope 08:38 < nick01> k 08:38 < rxr> yaboot (or better ybin) manages it 08:40 < rxr> can you do me a favour, when you switch to another console (the usual option key f2 or so) 08:40 < rxr> and run: parted /dev/sda print 08:40 < rxr> err 08:40 < rxr> and run: parted /dev/hda print 08:40 < nick01> rxr: me ? 08:40 < rxr> does it list a partition with the name "bootstrap" ? 08:40 < rxr> nick01: yep you 08:41 < nick01> it doesn't work 08:41 < nick01> getting to another console 08:42 < rxr> try option-key and right arrow then 08:42 < nick01> worked 08:42 < nick01> it sais nothing but using /dev/hda 08:42 < rxr> then your fn keys only work with the Fn key by default 08:42 < nick01> I know that 08:43 < rxr> is your hda empty ? 08:43 < nick01> I just formatted the root partition 08:43 < rxr> hm, ok - ignore my request, just continue your installation ,-)) 08:43 < nick01> oh 08:44 < nick01> I forgot about the print part 08:44 < nick01> next to the hfs it sais untitled 08:44 < nick01> rxr: ? 08:45 < rxr> the 1MB HFS partition is untitled ? 08:45 < nick01> yes 08:46 < nick01> with boot flag 08:46 < nick01> rxr: so I install or not ? 08:47 < rxr> sure go ahead 08:47 < rxr> (but you might need some hints to get yaboot installed then 08:47 < rxr> because currently our yaboot install module looks for this bootsrap label and I feared other distributions might not have set this in the past ...) 08:48 < rxr> maybe install now and we tweak this when you reach installing yaboot 08:49 < nick01> damn 08:49 < nick01> there is only minimal install and full install 08:49 < nick01> I don't think I have space for full install 08:49 < nick01> of 2 cds 08:49 < rxr> no that is the preselection 08:49 < nick01> so ? 08:49 < rxr> you can tune it to your needs 08:49 < nick01> k 08:49 < rxr> select either full or minimal 08:49 < rxr> depending form what you want to start 08:49 < rxr> and then select 08:50 < rxr> alter the the selection 08:50 < rxr> and tweak it according to your needs 08:52 < nick01> do I need the database stuff ? 08:54 < rxr> not that I know off 08:54 < rxr> of 08:54 < rxr> how much HD space do you have ß 08:54 < rxr> ? even 08:54 < rxr> (damned keyboard) 08:55 < nick01> 3 gb 08:55 < nick01> 2.8 actualy I have swap too 08:56 < nick01> rxr: what's openjade ? 09:01 < rxr> docbook stuff IIRC 09:04 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p83.129.186.223.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:04 < nick01> what version of enlightenment do u have ? 09:05 < nick01> rxr: ????? 09:07 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p83.129.178.86.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 09:08 < nick01> hi sepp 09:08 < sepp> hello :) 09:08 < nick01> sepp: what version of enlightenment is included ? 09:08 < sepp> e16 and e17 cvs snapshot 09:08 < nick01> both ? 09:09 < nick01> how do I remove e16 ? 09:09 < sepp> ahh you mean in the desktop target, i think there is only e17 09:10 < nick01> enlightenment is listed both under desktop and under window manager 09:10 < nick01> am I to assume that the one under wm is e16 ? 09:12 < sepp> who knows 09:12 < nick01> grrr 09:12 < sepp> :) 09:12 < nick01> 16-0.16.8.1 09:12 < nick01> what's that ? 09:12 < sepp> that is enlightenment16 09:12 < nick01> so I can remove it 09:12 < nick01> tks 09:13 < sepp> btw http://t2-project.org/packages/ ;) 09:14 < sepp> e* is quite fast, even on old machines 09:15 < nick01> it still needs 2.2 gb - and I need at least 700 mb free- what else could I remove ? 09:15 < nick01> I selected gnome without kde 09:15 < sepp> tetex ? 09:15 < nick01> is that big ? 09:16 < sepp> http://t2-project.org/packages/tetex.html says it is 350mb 09:16 < nick01> wow 09:16 < nick01> what's it for ? 09:17 < rxr> this tex text setting system 09:17 < nick01> and in what section is it ? 09:17 < sepp> text processing 09:17 < rxr> with all its modules and so on 09:17 < nick01> I c 09:17 < nick01> yuck 09:19 < nick01> what are xfig and scribus ? 09:19 < nick01> sepp: ? 09:20 < sepp> scribus is a dtp program, but it would be easier if you look at http://t2-project.org/packages/ :) 09:20 < nick01> what's dtp ? 09:20 < sepp> desktop publishing 09:21 < nick01> don't need it 09:21 < nick01> and xfig ? 09:21 < sepp> ugly x11 drawing thingy 09:21 < nick01> graphic 09:21 < nick01> whatever 09:21 < nick01> don't need it either 09:22 < nick01> installing 09:27 < nick01> why is your ffmpeg so old ? 09:29 < rxr> guess some snapshot that has been profen to work 09:29 < rxr> Baldzius: maybe you want to schedule an ffmpeg update ,-) 09:29 < nick01> k 09:32 < nick01> rxr: sepp is there an alternative xvid codec ? cause xvid movies are unplayable on my hardware 09:33 < rxr> I think xvid is already quite an optimized one 09:33 < rxr> but I do not follow all the codecs too closely 09:34 < sepp> you mean a stand-alone dvd player? 09:34 < nick01> lol optimized for a pentium 4 3 ghz maybe 09:34 < nick01> no I mean a codec that plays xvid files 09:35 < sepp> on my really old laptop (celeron 300mhz) mplayer played most files without framedrops 09:36 < nick01> with xvid I get one fram every min and some sound :( 09:36 < nick01> frame 09:36 < nick01> no probs at all with divx 09:41 < nick01> now I get a list of Installing Installing etc and empty lines at the bottom 09:41 < nick01> it doesn't say what it's installing anymore 09:43 < nick01> rxr ? sepp ? 09:44 < nick01> it'sstuck 09:45 < nick01> HELP !!! 09:48 < rxr> re 09:48 < rxr> hm? 09:48 < rxr> empty lines what ? 09:49 < nick01> yeah] 09:50 < nick01> Installing 09:50 < nick01> Installing 09:50 < nick01> Installing 09:50 < nick01> then: 09:50 < nick01> . 09:50 < nick01> . 09:50 < nick01> . 09:50 < nick01> . 09:50 < nick01> . 09:50 < nick01> that's it 09:51 < rxr> hm 09:51 < rxr> normally at some point it asks for the next disk 09:51 < rxr> do you have it still on the screen? 09:51 < rxr> can you make a photo ? 09:52 < nick01> no I had a webcam but I'm returning it for malfunction there's nothing on that screen anyway 09:53 < nick01> lots of Disk #0: Installing 09:55 < nick01> rxr: I pressed a key and now it sais it can't find keynote 09:55 < nick01> Please insert disk #0] 09:56 < nick01> rxr: what does it want ? 09:56 < rxr> well, maybe this is the point there the next disc needs to be inserted 09:56 < rxr> insert #2 and press enter 09:57 < rxr> no idea why you had the screen blank 09:57 < rxr> never experienced this 09:57 < nick01> can u find out o what disk keynote is ? 09:57 < rxr> in which contry are you located ? 09:57 < nick01> Romania 09:57 < rxr> you only have two disks, right? 09:57 < nick01> right 09:57 < rxr> insert the 2nd and press enter 09:57 < rxr> that there is written #0 for the disk number is a bug I have on my todo to fix 09:57 < nick01> hmm ok I'll burn it 09:57 < rxr> no idea how this slipped in 09:58 < rxr> keybote ? 09:58 < rxr> keynote should be disc 1 btw 09:58 < rxr> just checked on my build machine 09:58 < rxr> what happen when you press "enter" ? 10:00 < nick01> it tries again to reqad it- it sais u didn't specify the file system type trying iso 9660 10:00 < nick01> is that ok ? 10:03 < nick01> HELP !!! 10:03 < rxr> hm 10:04 < nick01> well ? please fix it 10:04 < rxr> it might be ok, I do not know every line durring the installation off-hand 10:04 < rxr> does it ask what todo? 10:05 < rxr> Retry Skip Eject ? 10:05 < nick01> yes 10:06 < sepp> io error? 10:06 < nick01> no 10:07 < nick01> it just can't find it 10:07 < nick01> probably cause it's not on the cd 10:08 < nick01> brb I'll grab something to eat 10:08 < rxr> well hit: "s enter" 10:08 < rxr> and see what it does 10:08 < rxr> you do not need keynote most probably 10:08 < rxr> (it is VPN stuff) 10:14 -!- keinek_ [n=keinek@200.70.161.222] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:15 * rxr shortly away 10:16 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.91] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:26 -!- idealm [n=ideal@218.82.57.233] has joined #t2 10:28 < nick01> now it can't find kiss 10:28 < nick01> rxr: ? 10:31 < sepp> you can switch console, the cd should be mounted under /mnt/source 10:33 < nick01> the list of packages on the cd stops with kde 10:33 < rxr> kiss should be on disc 1 of the ppc build 10:34 < nick01> it's noty 10:34 < nick01> it's not 10:34 < rxr> ah , ok 10:34 < rxr> then insert cd 2 and continue 10:34 * rxr needs to fix this cd number listed as 0 bug 10:34 * rxr dinner 10:34 < rxr> su 10:35 < nick01> your installer sux :( 10:54 < rxr> I feared you say that ,-) 10:54 < rxr> a new problem or just the lack of smooth usability ? 11:04 < nick01> lol 11:05 < nick01> what console font do I need for romanian ? 11:05 < nick01> rxr: ? 11:06 < rxr> I would select none 11:06 < rxr> do you want to have X or work on the console every day ? 11:08 < nick01> I selected romanian locale so without the right fonts it will look like garbage 11:08 < nick01> lat something I guess 11:11 < rxr> hm - no idea 11:11 < rxr> sadly it is a language I do not know 11:11 < rxr> maybe leave it english and only use romaina in X where this is less of a problem ? 11:11 < nick01> :( 11:12 < rxr> nick01: you are free to become the romainan exper in #t2 ,-) 11:12 < rxr> btw. wasn't there someone out of romaina already here? 11:12 < nick01> yeah 11:12 < nick01> karasz: 11:13 < karasz> moin moin 11:13 < rxr> moin karasz 11:13 < nick01> hey ! 11:13 < karasz> hello rxr 11:13 < rxr> karasz: any tips for the romanian locale and font stuff ? 11:13 < karasz> yo nick01 11:13 < nick01> deci care-i fontu ? 11:13 < nick01> yo 11:13 < karasz> nope, never used them 11:14 < nick01> :( 11:14 < karasz> me english type :D 11:14 < rxr> nick01: have you select something already? 11:14 < rxr> I really would vote to complete the install in the default locale 11:14 < karasz> i allways went with none. 11:14 < rxr> get the system running 11:14 < rxr> and then tinker with it 11:14 < rxr> or, what I usually do, leave the console stuff alone and just do my utf-8 in X ... 11:15 < nick01> what about latarcyrheb ? that sounds promising ... 11:17 < karasz> nick01: go with defaults, then once installed you tincker with the system 11:18 < karasz> i remember that once i tinckered with console fonts and got a system which had no fonts at all o-O 11:18 < karasz> luckyly i was able to ssh in and corect the problem... 11:30 < nick01> I went to look at the pci config and pci modules to be loaded cause I don't have pci and now I'm stuck looking at a config file 11:30 < nick01> what is that ? 11:30 < nick01> vim ? 11:31 < rxr> where did you go to? 11:31 < rxr> you do not need to edit module lists 11:31 < rxr> t2 comes with a quite advanced hardware detection 11:31 < rxr> there is nearly nothing to be done manually ... 11:31 < rxr> when the installer got thru the only thing you need to to is setup your bootloader yaboot 11:31 < karasz> yes, it is vim 11:32 < karasz> semicollon +q 11:32 < nick01> yeah have I mentioned your installer sux ? u could have put that in an advanced section or mention how to exit that screen u know :P 11:33 < karasz> it is vim, ussually it gets recognized ;) 11:33 < rxr> t2 has not a long history in desktop distribution - t2 is more about advanced, specialized systems 11:33 < rxr> and yes our installer was worser, got better and needs even more work - we know that 11:34 < rxr> code patches welcome ,-)) 11:34 < nick01> hehe 11:35 < nick01> now 11:35 < nick01> yaboot 11:35 < nick01> how do I configure that ? 11:36 < rxr> there is a yaboot entry in the stone menu 11:36 < rxr> _Ragnar_: would you mind if I patch mad-wifi to use ethX not athX which I find quite annoying ? 11:37 < nick01> yes how do I configure it ? 11:37 < nick01> I'm there 11:38 < nick01> bootstrap device /dev/hda 11:38 < nick01> yaboot partition path /usr 11:38 < nick01> bot device /dev/hda3 11:38 < nick01> root device /dev/hda3 11:38 < nick01> macosx partition blank 11:38 < rxr> that you have no osx is correct I assume ? 11:38 < nick01> rxr: well ? 11:39 < nick01> correct 11:39 < rxr> ok 11:39 < rxr> the bootstap device is not correct 11:39 < rxr> I feared that because I recently noticed old installs of other distributiosn leave the boostrap name blank 11:39 < rxr> go to another console 11:40 < rxr> parted /dev/hda 11:40 < nick01> and ? 11:40 < rxr> print 11:40 < rxr> you see one small HFS partition with 1MB or so ? 11:40 < rxr> maybe partition 2 11:40 < nick01> 2 yes 11:40 < rxr> change it's name to bootstrap 11:40 < rxr> name 11:40 < rxr> 2 11:40 < rxr> bootstrap 11:40 < nick01> how ? 11:40 < rxr> quit 11:40 < rxr> I wrote it 11:41 < rxr> first enter "name" enter 11:41 < nick01> u wrote parted ? 11:41 < rxr> then "2" enter 11:41 < rxr> yes 11:41 < rxr> parted /dev/hda 11:41 < rxr> then: 11:41 < rxr> name 11:41 < rxr> 2 11:41 < rxr> bootstrap 11:41 < rxr> end then quit 11:41 < nick01> weait 11:41 < rxr> that should do it 11:41 < nick01> name -command not found 11:43 < rxr> name inside parted of course 11:43 < rxr> parted /dev/hda 11:43 < rxr> and then you parted asks what todo 11:44 < nick01> k 11:44 < nick01> done now what 11:44 < nick01> ? 11:44 < rxr> exit the yaboot module 11:44 < rxr> and return to it 11:44 < rxr> (so it reread the disc) 11:45 < nick01> I selected to recreate yaboot.conf 11:45 < nick01> and it detected correctly botstrap this time 11:46 < rxr> can you retype what it lists now 11:46 < rxr> I think there was a second thing wrong :-( 11:46 < nick01> bootstrap hda2 11:46 < nick01> path /usr 11:47 < nick01> root hda3 11:47 < nick01> boot hda3 11:47 < nick01> ? 11:48 < rxr> I think the yaboot path is not good 11:48 < rxr> let me check 11:48 < nick01> k 11:48 < rxr> "yaboot partition path" really only shows /usr ? 11:49 < nick01> yaboot partition: path . 3:/usr 11:49 < rxr> ah ok 11:49 < nick01> that's it 11:49 < rxr> that should be fine ,-) 11:49 < rxr> the missing partnumber: alert me 11:50 < rxr> so that should be fine 11:50 < rxr> hit install yaboot then 11:50 < nick01> what's dbus for ? 11:51 < rxr> it is what all new projects use for interprocess communication 11:51 < rxr> gnome, kde, ... 11:51 < rxr> mostly for device discovery and realted information interchange 11:51 < rxr> but kde 4 will use it for everything 11:52 < nick01> do I need cron ? 11:52 < rxr> hm 11:52 < rxr> depends 11:52 < rxr> why do you want to skip it? save 1MB harddisc space ? 11:52 < nick01> no skip 1 mb of ram and cpu 11:53 < rxr> cron does not waste much 11:53 < rxr> but yes, for a desktop system you might want to disable it 11:53 < rxr> did you reboot the system now ? 11:53 < nick01> no 11:53 < rxr> ok - well even now stone allows you to enable/disable the runlevel services 11:54 < nick01> macintosh mouse button emulation ? 11:54 < nick01> what's that for ? 11:54 < nick01> emulates right click ? 11:56 < rxr> yes 11:56 < rxr> by default on f11 and f12 IIRC 11:57 < rxr> it does not cost your cpu time or memory 11:57 < nick01> serial pnp at bootup ? 11:57 < nick01> what's thjat ? 11:57 < rxr> it is part of your kernel anyway 11:57 < nick01> k 11:57 < rxr> discover serial plug and play devices 11:57 < rxr> that service is for serial mices only 11:57 < nick01> serial ? I don't have a serial port 11:57 < rxr> and t2 is the only distribution which has that ,-) 11:57 < rxr> you are safe to disable it ,-) 11:57 < rxr> or leave it 11:58 < rxr> it only costs your ms system startup time ,-) 11:58 < nick01> why doesn't anybody else have that ? 11:59 < nick01> pmud- shouldn't that be enabled >? do I have it ? 12:01 < nick01> and alsa ? 12:01 < nick01> alsa is not enabled either 12:03 < nick01> rxr: ? 12:06 < nick01> rxr: looks like yaboot didn't instal 12:06 < nick01> rxr: I still get the fc4 yaboot 12:07 < nick01> HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 12:09 -!- veki [n=chatzill@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has joined #t2 12:10 < nick01> HELP !!! 12:12 < rxr> re 12:12 < nick01> ? 12:12 < rxr> pmud is old 12:12 < rxr> pbbuttonsd is what is used today 12:12 < rxr> it is on by default 12:12 < nick01> k 12:12 < nick01> k 12:13 < nick01> it won't boot !!! 12:13 < rxr> have you hit the "install yaboot" entry in the yaboot menu ? 12:13 < rxr> you can savely rerun the install 12:13 < nick01> where was that ? 12:13 < rxr> in stone 12:13 < rxr> the setup thing 12:13 < rxr> you can savely rerun the install 12:13 < rxr> it will not install anything but bring you into stone again 12:13 < nick01> I have to reinstall alll the packaghes ?!!! 12:13 < nick01> k 12:13 < rxr> nope you have not 12:13 < rxr> insert the cd 12:13 < rxr> on the prompt run stone 12:13 < rxr> remount your discs 12:14 < rxr> hit install 12:14 < rxr> choose the minimal setup (or so) 12:14 < rxr> and it will only install what is missing, that is nothing when you select minimal (if you had all the minimal packages) 12:14 < rxr> and let you e.g. tweak your yaboot install 12:16 < rxr> I see why the install does not list disc numbers anymore 12:16 < rxr> it has todo with our migration away from .gem to .tar.*, it contains a .gem hardcoding while matching against the cd index file 12:16 < rxr> *sigh* 12:16 * rxr patching 12:18 < nick01> what package manager should I start ? 12:19 < rxr> the recommended one, gasgui it is name 12:19 < rxr> d 12:21 < nick01> looks like I have to burn another cd it can't read this one 12:22 < nick01> what write speed do u think I should use ? 12:22 < nick01> rxr: ?> 12:25 < nick01> forget it I'll use the cd-rw 12:25 < rxr> ,-) 12:26 < nick01> I noticed that cds written at 4x don't even get read while those at 8x have more chances 12:27 < rxr> I have simillar esoteric storries for older Ultra SPARC boxes ... 12:27 < rxr> :-) 12:30 -!- The13 [i=MMM@213.252.233.162] has joined #t2 12:37 < rxr> http://www.symlink.ch/articles/06/06/05/0921218.shtml 12:38 < nick01> and the translation ? :P 12:39 < rxr> http://www.linux.org.ru/view-message.jsp?msgid=1433450 12:40 < nick01> hahaha 12:40 < rxr> nick01: mostly: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14801 12:40 < nick01> how am I supposed to read that ? 12:40 < nick01> russian / 12:40 < nick01> ? 12:41 * rxr neither 12:41 < rxr> just from the webserver log ... 12:42 < nick01> how do I make a minimal install ? 12:43 < nick01> or I just deselect everything 12:43 < nick01> too much work 12:43 < nick01> how do I do it ? 12:43 -!- veki [n=chatzill@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has left #t2 [] 12:44 < nick01> this will take all day :( 12:44 < nick01> rxr: u there ?? 12:45 < karasz> anyone knows why the only download source is gsmp? 12:46 < karasz> all the others give error... o-O 12:46 < nick01> karasz: please telll me how to make a minimal install 12:46 < karasz> what do you mean by minimal? 12:46 < nick01> meaning nothing I installed everything already 12:47 < nick01> I just have to install yaboot 12:47 < karasz> what options do you have in the installer? 12:47 < karasz> when you choose gasgui..? 12:47 < nick01> u mean the other one ? 12:47 < nick01> k 12:47 < nick01> no thats it 12:47 < nick01> gas 12:48 < karasz> the one that is marked `recomended` 12:48 < nick01> yeah 12:48 < nick01> that one I'm in 12:48 < karasz> good, choose it and you will have some options 12:48 < karasz> one is to make a full install 12:48 < karasz> the others are? 12:48 < nick01> no options here 12:49 < nick01> only packges to choose 12:49 < karasz> :( 12:50 < karasz> i clearly remember that it was a 'Install all packages' option 12:50 < nick01> this installer sux 12:50 < nick01> hey 12:50 < karasz> but there were others too iirc somt like Choose what to instal or something... 12:50 < nick01> I used ctrl+c and skipped it 12:51 < nick01> :D 12:54 < nick01> why didn't rxr think of that ?! 12:56 < rxr> karasz: no idea 12:56 < rxr> karasz: the only other box I control is nexus.tfh-berlin.de and I only have a user account there and those freebsd admins continously screw the box up 12:56 < rxr> karasz: for the others mnemoc is to be asked 12:57 < rxr> mnemoc: any idea what is up with those other mirrors ? 12:57 < karasz> ok, i just asked because i thought it is of interest. 12:57 < karasz> i can live with gsmp too. 12:59 < rxr> karasz: yes of course it is 12:59 < rxr> I posted the error stats some days ago already and did not got any details 13:00 < rxr> I have a high bandwidth server in peto in germany that is fully synced 13:00 < rxr> we are enabling it right now 13:14 -!- nick01 [n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:20 < mnemoc> rxr: i haven't had time to re-set up those two yet. only the one have at .de. http://dl.geeks.cl/t2/mirror/$sdever 13:21 < mnemoc> but it probably has a worse performance than gsmp 13:22 < mnemoc> the mirror at usa seems to be gone for ever 13:29 -!- seeker [n=seeker@84-74-92-172.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #t2 13:30 < seeker> hi there... i'm trying to build t2 for use on very old hardware. unfortunately the build fails with an error of 'autoconf not useable'. i'm building on a debian system using autoconf 2.59.cvs2006.05.13 (not crosscompiling). can someone help me? 13:41 * seeker is wondering if he asked the wrong way 13:43 < misl> seeker: please be patient. Unfortunately I cannot help you on this. But those who can eventually will :-) 13:46 < seeker> misl: :-) ok... i'll be waiting 14:19 -!- seeker [n=seeker@84-74-92-172.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:43 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc@64.237.241.192] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:46 < CIA-3> aldas * r17804 /trunk/package/graphic/lcms/lcms.desc: * updated lcms (1.14 -> 1.15) 14:46 < CIA-3> aldas * r17805 /trunk/package/network/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (0.6.2 -> 0.6.3) 14:46 < CIA-3> aldas * r17806 /trunk/package/network/nagios/nagios.desc: * updated nagios (2.3.1 -> 2.4) 14:47 < CIA-3> aldas * r17807 /trunk/package/network/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.desc: * updated ndiswrapper (1.16 -> 1.17) 14:47 < CIA-3> aldas * r17808 /trunk/package/develop/subversion/subversion.desc: * updated subversion (1.3.1 -> 1.3.2) 14:48 * Lucifer_arma is away: school 14:54 < CIA-3> msluis * r17809 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-142/java-sun-conf.in: 14:54 < CIA-3> * Extract diff for installing sun jre's and jdk's no longer required. 14:54 < CIA-3> * Extract modifications are done on the fly in java-sun-conf.in 14:59 < CIA-3> msluis * r17810 /trunk/package/java/ (11 files in 6 dirs): * Removed extract diff's (no longer required due to r17809) 15:00 < CIA-3> msluis * r17811 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-142/sun-jre-142.desc: * updated sun-jre-142 (1.4.2_10 -> 1.4.2_12) 15:00 < CIA-3> msluis * r17812 /trunk/package/java/sun-jdk-142/sun-jdk-142.desc: * updated sun-jdk-142 (1.4.2_10 -> 1.4.2_12) 15:00 < CIA-3> msluis * r17813 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-150/sun-jre-150.desc: * updated sun-jre-150 (1.5.0_06 -> 1.5.0_07) 15:01 < CIA-3> msluis * r17814 /trunk/package/java/sun-jdk-150/sun-jdk-150.desc: * updated sun-jdk-150 (1.5.0_06 -> 1.5.0_07) 15:04 < CIA-3> rene * r17815 /trunk/package/archiver/mine/any-archiver.patch: 15:04 < CIA-3> * improved the mine/any-archiver.patch to correctly show the disk 15:04 < CIA-3> numbers for non .gem archives (tested with .tar.bz2) 15:10 -!- The13 [i=MMM@213.252.233.162] has quit [] 15:12 < CIA-3> aldas * r17816 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtklp/gtklp.desc: * updated gtklp (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2) 15:12 < CIA-3> aldas * r17817 /trunk/package/graphic/libpano/libpano.desc: * updated libpano (2.8.1 -> 2.8.3) 15:12 < CIA-3> aldas * r17818 /trunk/package/multimedia/libtheora/libtheora.desc: * updated libtheora (1.0alpha5 -> 1.0alpha6) 15:15 < CIA-3> aldas * r17819 /trunk/package/develop/lua/lua.desc: * moved lua ( 194.800 -> 149.800 ) before lighttpd 15:20 -!- nick01 [n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro] has joined #t2 15:20 < nick01> connection problem 15:20 < nick01> u still around ? 15:20 < nick01> rxr: ? karasz |? 15:21 < CIA-3> aldas * r17820 /trunk/package/security/cyrus-sasl2/ (cyrus-sasl2.desc gcc-4.0.patch): 15:21 < CIA-3> * updated cyrus-sasl2 (2.1.21 -> 2.1.22) 15:21 < CIA-3> * removed gcc-4.0.patch - obsolete 15:22 < nick01> rxr: are u there ? I can't start X 15:22 < nick01> rxr: HELP !!! 15:22 < rxr> hi 15:22 < rxr> yeah, hat tea and baby time here ... 15:22 < rxr> have you configured X in some way? 15:22 < nick01> yes 15:22 < nick01> it wants to start kde I have not installed kde 15:22 < rxr> ah 15:23 < rxr> you can either setup this globally in stone 15:23 < rxr> (what to start= 15:23 < rxr> ) 15:23 < nick01> where ? 15:23 < rxr> or in your users home .xinitrc 15:23 < rxr> in the x module 15:23 < rxr> there is a default window manager 15:24 < nick01> there is only an option to make something the default wm 15:24 < nick01> but there is only one wm 15:25 < nick01> rxr: ? 15:28 < nick01> rxr: maybe u should port xwmconfig from slackware 15:29 < nick01> rxr: HELP !!! 15:29 < sepp> export WINDOWMANAGER=$yourwm 15:29 < sepp> startx 15:30 < nick01> but that will only work for the current session right ? 15:30 < sepp> yes 15:30 < nick01> :( 15:30 < sepp> there is no entry in stone? 15:31 < sepp> you could add it to ~/.profile 15:31 < nick01> it still wants to start kde :( 15:31 < mnemoc> startkde 15:31 < nick01> I don't have kde 15:31 < mnemoc> what do you want to start? 15:32 < nick01> gnome 15:32 < mnemoc> .initrc ? 15:32 < nick01> why not fix the global xinitrc first ? 15:32 < nick01> it is broken 15:32 < mnemoc> yes, that's an option 15:33 < mnemoc> but at least i don't have time currently, if you can send a patch it would be great 15:34 < nick01> what happened with rxr ? 15:34 < mnemoc> probably busy 15:34 < nick01> anyway for the easy fix what do I put for it to exec to start gnome ? 15:36 < sepp> gnome-session ? 15:37 < nick01> no such executable on my system 15:37 < nick01> only some dirs and pngs 15:37 < sepp> hmm, maybe i am wrong - no gnomes in my computer 15:38 < _Ragnar_> no it is gnome-session 15:38 < mnemoc> wrong PATH ? 15:39 < nick01> what's the path ? 15:39 < nick01> maybe they changed it in 2.14 ? 15:39 < mnemoc> find /opt/gnome*/bin ? 15:39 < nick01> yeah opt/gnome2/bin 15:40 < nick01> so ? 15:41 < sepp> no gnome-session in /opt/gnome2/bin ? 15:41 < nick01> no 15:41 < nick01> just gnome-open and a few others 15:41 < nick01> gnome-about 15:41 < nick01> etc 15:42 < _Ragnar_> and you have installed the package gnome-session? 15:43 < nick01> dunno - I left gnome selected in desktop 15:43 < mnemoc> what do you mean 'left gnome selected' ? 15:44 < mnemoc> i don'T remember any 'option' to enable/disable gnome 15:44 < nick01> there is I left all the gnome packages selected 15:45 < nick01> to be installed 15:45 < nick01> btw there is no gnome-session package on the first cd at least 15:45 < mnemoc> grep 'X.*gnome' /etc/SDE-CONFIG/packages | wc -l 15:46 < nick01> 'X ? 15:46 < _Ragnar_> selected 15:47 < nick01> it returned 44 15:48 < sepp> inludeing gnome-session ? 15:48 < nick01> how shoulD I know 15:48 < nick01> it doesn't say 15:48 < mnemoc> remove the | wc -l 15:49 < nick01> what was that command to make it show one page at the time ? 15:50 < mnemoc> | less 15:50 < nick01> it's not on the4 list 15:51 < nick01> nor is the package on the cd 15:51 < sepp> :( 15:52 < mnemoc> if it's not X on the list, it wasn'T built, and not packaged, and not installed 15:53 < sepp> you can emerge it, but that might be no fun on a slow g3 in case there is even more gnome stuff missing 15:54 < nick01> k then I have to change pcs 15:54 < nick01> brb 15:54 -!- nick01 [n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:55 -!- nick01 [i=1000@home-07031.b.astral.ro] has joined #t2 15:55 < nick01> so u people ship incomplete releases ? :( 15:55 < mnemoc> ? 15:55 < nick01> with critical packages missing ? 15:56 < mnemoc> ? 15:56 < sepp> maybe no one wanted to start gnome with the desktop target so far :/ 15:57 < mnemoc> the gnome-session package is there, if it's part or not of a config is responsability of the person who did the config 15:58 < nick01> it's not on the damn cd 15:59 < mnemoc> where did you get the cd from? 15:59 < nick01> how do I configure the network so I can emerge it ? looks like gdm is not installed either btw 15:59 < nick01> your webpage one of the german http servers 15:59 < mnemoc> T2 is _not_ a CD, t2 is a framework and set of tools to make distributions 15:59 < nick01> yeah yeah 16:00 < nick01> I just want gnome to work 16:00 < nick01> and X too 16:00 < nick01> and the network 16:00 < sepp> you can setup the network with stone ;) 16:00 < nick01> interface name and profile ? 16:00 < nick01> what do I put there ? 16:01 < nick01> in stone 16:01 < mnemoc> interfce eth0 is enough usualy 16:02 < nick01> set new value for tag dhcp ? 16:02 < mnemoc> dhcp or fixed ip? 16:02 < nick01> dhcp 16:02 < mnemoc> so, type dhcp 16:02 < nick01> k 16:03 < nick01> unknown statement in config file: dhcp 16:03 < nick01> when I try to start it 16:05 < mnemoc> cat /etc/conf/network please 16:05 < nick01> interface interface eth0 16:05 < nick01> dhcp 16:05 < nick01> that's it 16:05 < mnemoc> remove one 'interface' 16:06 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:07 < nick01> same error 16:08 < mnemoc> grep dhcp /etc/SDE-CONFIG/packages 16:09 < nick01> dhcp 3.0.4 ? 16:09 < mnemoc> does it start by X or O ? 16:10 < mnemoc> the first char 16:10 < nick01> X 16:10 < mnemoc> mine -p dhcp ? 16:10 < nick01> NO SUCH FILE OR DIR 16:11 < mnemoc> uhm 16:12 < nick01> what's the name of the pkg ? 16:12 < nick01> I'll install it by hand 16:12 < mnemoc> dhcp 16:13 < nick01> what's the command ? 16:14 < nick01> to install it ? 16:14 < nick01> mnemoc, ? 16:14 < mnemoc> mine -i 16:16 < nick01> k network works now 16:16 < nick01> now how do I install gnome-session and search for missing dependencies ? 16:16 < nick01> mnemoc, ? 16:17 < nick01> sepp, ? 16:17 < nick01> karasz, ? 16:17 < nick01> rxr, ? 16:17 < mnemoc> look at the .cache file 16:18 < nick01> what file ? 16:18 < nick01> where 16:18 < nick01> ? 16:19 < mnemoc> if you have t2-src there, go to /usr/src/t2-src/package/*/gnome-session 16:19 < mnemoc> and look at the .cache file 16:20 < CIA-3> rene * r17821 /trunk/package/graphic/dcraw/dcraw.desc: * updated dcraw (8.18 -> 8.20) 16:22 < nick01> yeah I'm looking at it so what ? 16:22 < nick01> mnemoc, ? 16:23 < nick01> mnemoc, I want it to resolve the dependencies by itself not expect me to go through each one 16:24 < nick01> and how do I install gnome-session ? 16:24 < nick01> mnemoc, ? 16:25 < nick01> HELP !!! 16:28 < mnemoc> it wont 'resolve the dependencies by itself' 16:29 < nick01> some package management system 16:30 < mnemoc> if gnome-session is not on the disc, you will have to build it 16:30 < nick01> how do I install gnome-session ? 16:30 < nick01> HOW ?! 16:31 < sepp> cd /usr/src/t2-src 16:31 < sepp> copy /etc/SDE-CONFIG/ to config/desktop 16:31 < sepp> ./scripts/Config -cfg desktop 16:33 < nick01> config/desktop ? where is that supposed to be ? created / ? 16:33 < sepp> in /usr/src/t2-src 16:34 < nick01> there is no config dir in there 16:34 < sepp> make one :) 16:34 < mnemoc> if you "copy /etc/SDE-CONFIG/ to config/desktop" you will get one 16:36 < CIA-3> aldas * r17822 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed-claws/sylpheed-claws.desc: * updated sylpheed-claws (2.2.0 -> 2.2.1) 16:37 < CIA-3> aldas * r17823 /trunk/package/graphic/xaralx/xaralx.desc: * updated xaralx (0.4r779 -> 0.5r1243) 16:37 < nick01> what is it doing now ? 16:37 < nick01> mnemoc, ? 16:38 < sepp> Config ? 16:39 < nick01> I get it 16:43 < nick01> mnemoc, utilize the powerpc isa ? 16:43 < nick01> or change it to what ? 16:45 < sepp> since it is a powerpc that is ok 16:46 < nick01> install - install cd /disks- does that mean it's only gonna install from cd or disk ? can't it install from ftp ? 16:47 < sepp> are you running it on your apple thingy? 16:49 < nick01> yup 16:49 < sepp> if Config looks ok exit and run 16:49 < sepp> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg desktop -deps=none gnome-session 16:50 < sepp> that will download gnome-session and build it 16:50 < nick01> couldn't u ave made a link to that thing and simplify the process ? 16:50 < nick01> have 16:51 < karasz> cu later guys 16:51 < CIA-3> aldas * r17824 /trunk/package/mail/courier-imap/ (courier-imap.conf courier-imap.desc): 16:51 < CIA-3> * updated courier-imap (4.0.6 -> 4.1.1) 16:51 < CIA-3> * copyright update 16:51 < sepp> cu karasz 16:52 < nick01> bye 16:52 < sepp> what link? 16:53 < nick01> to scripts/emerge-pkg 16:53 < CIA-3> aldas * r17825 /trunk/package/games/clanlib06/directfb-api-change.patch: * added clanlib06/directfb-api-change.patch 16:54 < nick01> why deps=none ? 16:54 < nick01> sepp, ? 16:55 < rxr> well - the default desktop build of t2 misses most gnome packages 16:55 < nick01> :( 16:55 < rxr> maybe beter not add this deps=none in order to get a fullly functional gnome 16:55 < rxr> nick01: not :-( 16:56 < rxr> just: Emerge-Pkg gnome-desktop gnome-session nautilus 16:56 < rxr> or so 16:56 < rxr> gnome-terminal maybe 16:56 < rxr> to get all of gnome: 16:56 < rxr> Emerge-Pkg -repository gnome2 16:56 < sepp> that will take forever on a g3 300 i bet 16:57 < nick01> it sais it can't find default 16:57 < nick01> use Config to create it 16:57 < nick01> but I did that 16:58 < nick01> I think 16:58 < nick01> what do I do ? 16:58 < sepp> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg desktop 16:58 < sepp> if that is the name it has 16:59 < nick01> same error 16:59 < mnemoc> ls config 17:00 < nick01> desktop 17:02 < nick01> maybe I should just give up until u decide to include gnome 17:03 < sepp> that should work 17:03 < mnemoc> the desktop target is not thought to have gnome 17:03 < nick01> gnome was on the list 17:03 < mnemoc> ask rxr, it's his target 17:04 < nick01> right now why isnt Emerge-Pkg working ? 17:05 < mnemoc> please paste the exact text you are typing and the exact output 17:05 < mnemoc> at http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 17:05 < nick01> I can't 17:05 < nick01> no X and no browser 17:05 < mnemoc> links? 17:05 < mnemoc> lynx? 17:05 < mnemoc> elinks? 17:06 < nick01> give me a break I don't use that 17:06 < nick01> what about e17 that should be installed ok 17:06 < nick01> how do I get e17 to start ? 17:06 < mnemoc> the desktop target is kde-centric 17:07 < mnemoc> building your own, you get an iso with what you want 17:07 < nick01> any idea how to get X to start with e17 ? 17:08 < sepp> if you install e17 there is a option for entrance in stone 17:08 < rxr> cu 17:08 < sepp> cu rxr 17:09 < nick01> bye 17:09 < nick01> I selected that in stone but it still tried to start kde 17:09 < nick01> :( 17:09 < sepp> or you 'export WINDOWMANAGER=enlightenment' 17:10 < nick01> without $ ? 17:10 < mnemoc> lon perl or php you define the varaibles with $, not in sh 17:10 < sepp> no $ 17:10 < nick01> until now u told me to use $ :( 17:11 < mnemoc> $ is used to _read_ variables on sh 17:11 < sepp> sorry 17:12 < mnemoc> sepp: ? 17:12 < sepp> i wanted to say export WINDOWMANAGER='insert the wm of your choice here' 17:12 < sepp> and because i am lazy i wrote a $yourwm there ... 17:12 < nick01> anyway now e17 starts but I get garbage on the screen 17:13 < nick01> I start a menu it looks fine I start another and another but the old ones remain on the screen 17:13 < nick01> looking like crap 17:13 < sepp> o_O 17:14 < nick01> overlapping eachother 17:15 * Lucifer_arma is back. 17:15 < sepp> wb Lucifer_arma 17:15 < Lucifer_arma> ty 17:16 < nick01> so how do I get to work right ? 17:16 < nick01> X 17:16 < nick01> get X to work right 17:18 < sepp> is X misconfigured or e17 not working ? 17:18 < nick01> e17 is working fine 17:18 < nick01> I just can't do much like that 17:19 < mnemoc> run xcfgt2 17:19 < nick01> I tried both xorgconfig and X -configure 17:19 < nick01> same result 17:19 < nick01> what will that do ? 17:19 < sepp> write a xorg.conf for you 17:21 < nick01> same results 17:22 < sepp> hmmm 17:24 < nick01> well ? how do I fix it ? 17:26 < mnemoc> lwhat is the error? 17:26 < sepp> look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf 17:28 < nick01> maybe look at the log 17:29 < nick01> where's the xorg log ? 17:29 < mnemoc> var/log/X.... 17:30 < nick01> yeah X not x 17:30 < mnemoc> who said x? 17:33 < nick01> me 17:33 < nick01> :) 17:34 < mnemoc> :) 17:34 < nick01> only one error and that one fixed - invalid io allocation itgoit past it 17:35 < nick01> for the framebuffer driver do I put fb ? 17:35 < nick01> mnemoc, ? 17:36 < nick01> it's not fb 17:37 < nick01> what is it ? 17:37 < nick01> fb0 ? 17:37 < mnemoc> fb use a different server 17:37 < nick01> mnemoc, ? sepp ? 17:37 < nick01> soi 17:37 < nick01> so ? 17:37 < sepp> has it no ati ? 17:37 < nick01> it has it but it looks like crap 17:38 < sepp> try vesa 17:38 < nick01> k 17:38 < nick01> module does not exist 17:38 < nick01> vesa 17:39 < nick01> lol 17:39 < sepp> :( 17:40 < sepp> it is package xf86-video-vesa 17:40 < nick01> lol 17:40 < nick01> I bet it's not on the cd 17:40 < nick01> like gnome 17:40 < nick01> haha 17:41 < sepp> sorry, i do not know the desktop target 17:42 < sepp> i thought there is a minimal gnome there 17:42 < nick01> there isn't even gnome-session to start it ! 17:43 < sepp> now i know it ;) 17:43 < nick01> yup I was right !!! 17:43 < nick01> vesa is not on the cd ! 17:43 < nick01> hahaha 17:43 < Lucifer_arma> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg vesa 17:45 < nick01> error- no configuration "default" found 17:46 < sepp> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg desktop xf86-video-vesa 17:46 < sepp> that should work! 17:48 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 17:48 < nick01> it sais package not installed- added and then "packages scheduled to build: none" 17:48 < nick01> :( 17:48 < misl> hi folks 17:48 < misl> rxr: baby time????? 17:49 < nick01> your package management system sux 17:50 < sepp> hi misl 17:50 < misl> hi sepp 17:50 < nick01> so any tips how to get X to work ? 17:50 < mnemoc> nick01: if Emerge-Pkg download work, use Download and Build-Pkg 17:51 < mnemoc> doesn'T work i mean 17:51 < nick01> it should work and I'm not gonna use a system without a package management system 17:52 < mnemoc> ok 17:53 < nick01> so u don't know how to fix it ? 17:54 < mnemoc> i don'T know what is failing 17:54 < nick01> it saide what was failing 17:54 < nick01> Config fasiled to make default 17:54 < nick01> error 17:54 < nick01> failed 17:56 < mnemoc> please paste the eorror, because i don't understand what you just said 17:57 < nick01> ERROR: no configuration 'default' found 17:57 < nick01> please create a configuration using /scripts/Config 17:57 < mnemoc> ls config/ ? 17:57 < sepp> because your named it "desktop" 17:58 < sepp> so you have to use "-cfg desktop" 17:58 < nick01> there's a dir named desktop there 17:58 < nick01> I used that 17:59 < nick01> I get that error 17:59 < mnemoc> paste what you wrote 17:59 < nick01> paste what 17:59 < mnemoc> what you wrote 17:59 < nick01> I can't paste 17:59 < nick01> what I wrote where when ? 17:59 < mnemoc> so write literaly 17:59 < nick01> to get the error ? 17:59 < mnemoc> yes 18:01 < nick01> what was that command to emerge all of gnome ? 18:01 < nick01> rxr told me 18:01 < sepp> Emerge -repository gonme 18:01 < nick01> that didn't use desktop 18:01 < nick01> yeah 18:02 < mnemoc> if your config is named desktop you have to use -cfg desktop 18:02 < nick01> ye4ah 18:02 < nick01> with it I get that default not found 18:03 < nick01> Emerge-Pkg -cfg desktop -repository gnome2 ? 18:03 < mnemoc> that's becasue you wrote it wrong 18:03 < sepp> yup 18:03 < sepp> but it will take _long_ 18:04 < nick01> it sais packages scheduled to build: none 18:06 < nick01> why ? 18:07 < mnemoc> vi config/desktop/config 18:07 < mnemoc> look for EXPERT and make it 1 18:07 < mnemoc> look for PKGSEL and make it 1 18:07 < mnemoc> then make a file config/desktop/pkgsel 18:08 < mnemoc> pff 18:08 < mnemoc> err 18:08 < mnemoc> ok 18:08 < mnemoc> and inside config/desktop/pkgsel add one line: "X gnome2/*" 18:08 < mnemoc> then execute ./scripts/Config -cfg desktop -oldconfig 18:09 < mnemoc> and finaly try ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg desktop -force -repository gnome2 18:10 < mnemoc> :w 18:10 < mnemoc> err 18:10 < sepp> :q 18:10 < nick01> with "" ? 18:10 < mnemoc> without 18:10 < nick01> k 18:12 < sepp> since when can't you emerge packages not in pkgsel? 18:12 < mnemoc> no idea 18:13 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg is too smart for me 18:20 < nick01> mnemoc, looks like it started to download- any way to make it install vesa too ? cause there really is no point to install gnome if I can't get X to work right 18:20 < mnemoc> and what is error on X? 18:21 < nick01> some IO error that gets corrected and X starts 18:21 < nick01> but it looks like crap 18:21 < mnemoc> define crap 18:21 < mnemoc> an screenshot would be useful 18:22 < nick01> I open a window it opens then I open another but the former remains on the screen so on 18:22 < nick01> I end up with lots of ghosts 18:22 < nick01> and I can't see any of the e17 menus and anything 18:22 < nick01> I only see when I click on the desktop 18:23 < sepp> because they slide around and there is a "ghost menu" ? 18:23 < nick01> no old opened menus remain on screen 18:25 < nick01> with fbvdev it starts but it looks much worse 18:26 < nick01> I think the ati driver in xorg 7 is broken 18:36 < karasz> re 18:44 * Lucifer_arma is away: Gone away for now. 18:45 * Lucifer_arma is back. 18:45 < nick01> hi 18:46 < Lucifer_arma> Hi there 18:46 < nick01> karasz, please fix my X :P 18:47 < karasz> use radeonfb 18:47 < karasz> for me it works. 18:47 < nick01> I don't have a radeon 18:47 < karasz> what ati do you have? 18:47 < nick01> rage mobility I think 18:47 < karasz> ibook? 18:48 < nick01> yeah 18:48 < karasz> framebuffer. 18:48 < nick01> fbdev ? 18:48 < karasz> yup 18:48 < nick01> already tried that 18:48 < nick01> horrible 18:48 < karasz> and? 18:48 < karasz> aaa. 18:48 < nick01> much worse than ati 18:48 < karasz> define horrible. 18:49 < nick01> looked like a 16 colour resolution make that 5 colour or something stretched all over the screen lol 18:50 < karasz> and you tickered with xorg.conf? 18:51 < nick01> doin xorgconfig gain for fbdev- what u think 16 or 24 bit ? 18:51 < karasz> go for 24 18:51 < nick01> k 18:52 < karasz> but i usually edit the conf file. 18:52 < karasz> i never had much luck with the config programs 18:52 < karasz> there is an xorg.conf.template 18:53 < karasz> from that you can start to tickle ;) 18:54 < nick01> I tried 24 bit too on both fbdev and ati no luck 18:54 < nick01> andif u can belive it vesa is not installed :P 18:55 < nick01> it's not on the cd 18:56 < CIA-3> aldas * r17826 /trunk/package/games/bsd-games/ (8 files): 18:56 < CIA-3> * security update: added bsd-games/CVE-2006-1539.patch 18:56 < CIA-3> * copyright update 18:57 < nick01> karasz, I think xorg 7 is broken 18:59 < CIA-3> aldas * r17827 /trunk/package/graphic/libtiff/CVE-2006-2656.patch: * security update: added libtiff/CVE-2006-2656.patch 18:59 < nick01> karasz, please fix my X :P 19:01 < nick01> I may have to resort to debian :| 19:02 < CIA-3> aldas * r17828 /trunk/package/x11/freetype/ (4 files): 19:02 < CIA-3> * security update: added freetype/CVE-2006-1861.patch 19:02 < CIA-3> * copyright update 19:03 < karasz> nick01: nobody can fix your X except you. 19:04 < nick01> how ? 19:05 < CIA-3> aldas * r17829 /trunk/package/security/snort/ (CVE-2006-2769.patch snort.conf snort.desc snort.init): 19:05 < CIA-3> * security update: added snort/CVE-2006-2769.patch 19:05 < CIA-3> * copyright update 19:08 < CIA-3> aldas * r17830 /trunk/package/multimedia/ffmpeg/ (5 files): 19:08 < CIA-3> * security update: added ffmpeg/CVE-2005-4048.patch 19:08 < CIA-3> * copyright update 19:09 < sepp> CVEzius :D 19:09 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc@64.237.241.192] has joined #t2 19:11 < Baldzius> :) 19:11 < CIA-3> aldas * r17831 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/ (12 files): 19:11 < CIA-3> * security update: added mplayer/CVE-2006-0579.patch 19:11 < CIA-3> * copyright update 19:12 < nick01> nobody here can make X work right ? grrr :( 19:12 < _Ragnar_> huh? 19:12 < nick01> ati and fbdev give me trash 19:12 < nick01> garbage I mean 19:13 < nick01> _Ragnar_, will u fix X for me ? :D 19:14 < mnemoc> nick01: nobody can fix your X except you. 19:14 < _Ragnar_> I can only say ati works fine for me 19:14 < nick01> hehe 19:14 < karasz> well yes, all wise karasz ;) 19:14 < nick01> kkk debian it is :( 19:15 < nick01> u don't even have vesa installed 19:15 < mnemoc> i have it, you don't 19:15 < nick01> lol 19:15 < sepp> i have it too 19:15 < nick01> it's not on the cds 19:15 < sepp> :) 19:15 < CIA-3> aldas * r17832 /trunk/package/multimedia/xine-lib/ (4 files): 19:15 < CIA-3> * security update: added CVE-2006-1664.patch && 19:15 < CIA-3> CVE-2006-2802.patch 19:15 < CIA-3> * copyright update 19:15 < mnemoc> those CDs are samples from one very specific target (distribution) 19:16 < mnemoc> those CDs are not T2 19:16 < nick01> yeah I know T2 exests only in spirit 19:16 < nick01> exists 19:17 < sepp> t2 is a framework to make your own distro and desktop is one example what you can do with it 19:17 < nick01> I dont want a framwork I want a distro 19:17 < _Ragnar_> then you're looking in the wrong place 19:18 < nick01> I want something that I install and boots without problems 19:19 * _Ragnar_ hand nick01 a knoppix cd 19:19 < nick01> lol 19:19 < nick01> knoppix doesn't work on ppc 19:19 < nick01> or I would have used it 19:19 < sepp> make a t2ix :) 19:19 < _Ragnar_> ah good that you mention that you're on ppc .... duuuuh :p 19:20 < mnemoc> nickix 19:20 < Baldzius> :) 19:22 -!- nagulator [n=nagulato@athedsl-21087.otenet.gr] has joined #t2 19:22 < nagulator> hello guys 19:22 < nagulator> anyone around? 19:22 < mnemoc> oh! .gr 19:22 < mnemoc> sweet 19:22 < nagulator> hmm so what is the big fuss about that though :P 19:22 < nick01> maybe I should go kill some germans ... 19:23 < mnemoc> yes please 19:23 < nagulator> .gr is not german :) 19:23 < karasz> o-O 19:23 < nick01> lol 19:23 < karasz> guys, guys, guys, keep it friendly... 19:23 < nagulator> so you are the team for t2 I suppose 19:23 < nagulator> I used it back when it was plain olr rocklinux :) 19:23 < nagulator> old* 19:23 < sepp> maybe mnemoc eats ppl and he prefers sweet greeks :P 19:24 < mnemoc> rocklinux still alive ,-) 19:24 < nagulator> lol 19:24 < mnemoc> sepp: :) 19:24 < nagulator> yeah I know 19:24 < nick01> hmm sepp is german- maybe I should start with him 19:24 < nagulator> but I like the t2 incarnation 19:24 < mnemoc> t2 started from RL 2.0 19:24 < mnemoc> :D 19:24 -!- idealm [n=ideal@218.82.57.233] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:25 < nick01> u know in call of duty 2 19:25 < nagulator> i know that 19:25 < nick01> yeah 19:25 < nagulator> so anyone of you of the developer team in here or just users? 19:26 < mnemoc> both 19:26 < karasz> mostly abusers :D 19:26 < nagulator> ok 19:26 < mnemoc> :p 19:26 < nagulator> ha ha 19:26 * karasz hides quick 19:26 < nagulator> I am on fc5 now, but that actually does not mean anything 19:26 < nagulator> I use OSS stuff 99.99% 19:26 < nagulator> would you have any use for a C/C++ programmer? 19:27 < mnemoc> any contributor is welcomed :) 19:27 < mnemoc> even if you program in lisp you are welcomed here :) 19:28 < sepp> but do not thorw with braces 19:28 < mnemoc> *g* 19:40 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178145011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 19:40 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.2.0-rc RELEASED | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 19:40 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Fri Jun 2 17:55:27 2006] 19:40 [Users #t2] 19:40 [@ChanServ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ __mnemoc] 19:40 [ AzianFlu] [ laj_ ] [ nagulator ] [ sparc-kly] 19:40 [ Baldzius] [ LMJ ] [ NovenTheHero] [ tdi ] 19:40 [ CIA-3 ] [ Lucifer_arma] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 19:40 [ dsoul ] [ misl ] [ rxr_ ] [ _Ragnar_ ] 19:40 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 19:40 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 19:40 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 19:41 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 36 secs 19:41 < __mnemoc> nagulator: good, rxr_ (our Core Architect) has arrived... you can discuss with him that topic :) 19:41 -!- nagulator_ [n=nagulato@athedsl-20858.otenet.gr] has joined #t2 19:41 < __mnemoc> dah dah 19:41 < nagulator_> where was I please? 19:41 < _Ragnar_> wb 19:41 < nagulator_> thanks 19:41 < __mnemoc> nagulator: good, rxr_ (our Core Architect) has arrived... you can discuss with him that topic :) 19:42 < nagulator_> oh :) 19:42 < nagulator_> anyway as I was saying, i very much enjoy the work being done in pure bash 19:43 < nagulator_> I am working on a C++/bash "build" framework that uses XML for describing packages 19:43 < nagulator_> so you can exchange info between tgz, deb, rpm, without having problems 19:44 < nagulator_> something like a dependency database syncronizer 19:44 < nagulator_> you use XML to store a template ofthe bash commands necessary 19:45 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178184046.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:45 < nagulator_> those same bash commands templated, can be turned for example into a standalone script, into a spec file or used from dpkg tools :) 19:47 < nagulator_> why not have everything syncronized and use whatever package management or manual installation anytime you wish ;) you would not be locked into a specific set, and you would keep the entire power of the meta - distro (building from source as t2 does) 19:47 < nagulator_> I think it is a interesting challenge 19:47 < nagulator_> not proposing anything of course I am only having a discussion, I like the experiment so far 19:48 < __mnemoc> i like things i can easily read and edit on vi 19:48 < nagulator_> you can easily read and edit xml too 19:48 < misl> nagulator_: Do you know Apache Maven? It's java, but maybe you can pick up some nice ideas there. They have transitive package dependancy. 19:48 < sepp> so you want to build for example t2 packages on debian? 19:48 < sepp> or the other way around 19:49 < nagulator_> well, the idea would be to make a t2 - like add in that would allow t2 to build itself around any package management system :) 19:49 < nagulator_> misl: i have heard of taht looking into it 19:49 < sepp> that will give you a version nightmare 19:49 < nagulator_> __mnemoc: if xml cannot be read from vi, then who compiled that xml is a smuck 19:50 < nagulator_> well not if you refer to a single source for your dependencies 19:50 < nagulator_> you see 19:50 < nagulator_> t2, like any other build system works on a closed set of information 19:50 < nagulator_> no matter how you transform that set 19:50 < rxr_> hm 19:50 < nagulator_> if you stick to its rules 19:50 < rxr_> updating hal to 0.5.7 removed the fstab-sync 19:51 -!- You're now known as rxr 19:51 < nagulator_> you can write down the info anyway you like but you can never alter it 19:51 < nagulator_> if alternative package management systems always refer to the same central dependency resolution database, the only thing that changes is their representation of the data, not the data itself 19:52 < nagulator_> just and idea I am testing for now, it is fun and I like spending my time on it 19:53 < nagulator_> for example, sepp may call himself ____sepp or _sepp____ or ____sepp______ 19:53 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 19:53 < nagulator_> he would not be sepp if he called himself ppes ! 19:53 < nagulator_> if he did that he would change his data to a point of no return 19:54 < nagulator_> there you would have a version nightmare 19:54 < nagulator_> you would not know if ppes is a version of sepp or not 19:54 < nagulator_> but if you see only sepp 19:54 < nagulator_> no matter how many _____ you see 19:54 < nagulator_> it is always sepp in the end 19:54 < nagulator_> with a couple of underscores :) 19:55 < nagulator_> hope nobody is offended of course :) I am making an example 19:56 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: tdi, sparc-kly, Lucifer_arma, misl, __mnemoc, sepp, valentin, @ChanServ, Baldzius, AzianFlu, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:56 < nagulator_> hmm bbs, you meditate if you have any time on this, I would love to hear an out-of-the-box opinion :) 19:56 < nagulator_> have to make a call :) 19:56 -!- nagulator_ [n=nagulato@athedsl-20858.otenet.gr] has quit [Client Quit] 19:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @ChanServ, sparc-kly, misl, sepp, Baldzius, mtr, karasz, AzianFlu, Lucifer_arma, tdi (+4 more) 19:58 [Users #t2] 19:58 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ Lucifer_arma] [ NovenTheHero] [ tdi ] 19:58 [ AzianFlu] [ karasz] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 19:58 [ Baldzius] [ laj_ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ _Ragnar_] 19:58 [ CIA-3 ] [ LMJ ] [ nagulator ] [ sparc-kly ] [ __mnemoc] 19:58 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 20:00 -!- nagulator_ [n=nagulato@athedsl-20858.otenet.gr] has joined #t2 20:04 -!- nagulator [n=nagulato@87.203.176.169] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:07 < rxr> valentin: can you post a note what hal version you have on the iBook where mounting media "just works?" 20:21 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.69.3 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618]"] 20:35 < valentin> HAL package version: 0.5.7 21:14 -!- __mnemoc is now known as mnemoc 21:15 -!- NovenTheHero [n=Noven@cpe-065-191-000-208.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:57 -!- nagulator_ [n=nagulato@athedsl-20858.otenet.gr] has quit [Client Quit] 23:20 < mnemoc> gn8 #t2 23:20 < karasz> gn8 mnemoc 23:20 < karasz> gn8 all 23:20 < mnemoc> gn8 karasz --- Log closed Tue Jun 06 00:00:06 2006