T2 IRC Log: 2006-04-29

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--- Log opened Sat Apr 29 00:00:10 2006
00:00 < Baldzius> hi sepp :)
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00:43 < morfoh> Baldzius: hey farm boy :)
00:44 < morfoh> sepp: turn on your machine again ... I'd like to see the t2-brown-coal-release :)
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01:36 < morfoh> gn8 folks :)
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07:49 < misl> hi folks :)
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09:39 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
09:39 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Mar 11 22:55:45 2006]
09:39 [Users #t2]
09:39 [@ChanServ] [ idealm] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] [ tdi ] [ _Ragnar_]
09:39 [ Baldzius] [ laj ] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp_ ] [ valentin]
09:39 [ CIA-7 ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly_] [ veki ]
09:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
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09:39 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004
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11:31 < morfoh> moin
11:32 < veki> moin
11:32 < morfoh> hi veki
11:33 < veki> morfoh: I am writing article about role of NGOs in economic growth by using free software and open hardware. If you liek I can mentione some of your efforts too
11:34 < mnemoc> veki: hi, in what language? :)
11:34 < morfoh> veki: but t2 is no NGO
11:36 < veki> in egnlish,
11:37 < veki> it i snot necessary that it is legal entity, it may be civic intiative as it is t2
11:42 < veki> I will give you copy for reading of course, the most probably tonight
11:43 < veki> so you can comment
11:43 < veki> and please feel free to do so
11:49 * mnemoc wants it too :p
11:51 < veki> ok, good, my E-mail is: vedran.vucic@gmail.com so just send me your test mail so I can reply on it tonight and attach article to it.
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12:00 < veki> guys, I have to go now, but I will be back tonight
12:00 < veki> cu :-)
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12:04 < Baldzius> good morning
12:05 < CIA-7> aldas * r17275 /trunk/package/gnome2/gok/gok.desc: * updated gok (1.0.7 -> 1.0.8)
12:06 < CIA-7> aldas * r17276 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.desc: * updated gdm (2.14.3 -> 2.14.4)
12:06 < mnemoc> go aldas go
12:06 < Baldzius> :)
12:08 < CIA-7> aldas * r17277 /trunk/package/python/sip/sip.desc: * updated sip (4.4.2 -> 4.4.3)
12:11 < morfoh> hi Baldzius :)
12:11 < Baldzius> moin morfoh :)
12:11 < morfoh> :)
12:47 < misl> hi folks :)
12:51 < morfoh> oh! look ... who is showing up. seems that the playground isn't interesting anymore :)
12:51 < morfoh> hi misl :)
12:51 < mnemoc> *G*
12:51 -!- You're now known as rxr
12:51 < misl> hi morfoh, mnemoc :)
12:51 < rxr> moin misl
12:51 < rxr> hi all
12:51 < misl> hi rxr :)
12:51 < morfoh> hi rxr
12:54 < mnemoc> hi misl, rxr
13:10 < CIA-7> aldas * r17278 /trunk/package/database/mysql/mysql.desc: * updated mysql (5.0.20a -> 5.0.21)
13:23 < rxr> Baldzius: do you update the indivicual xorg releases?
13:23 < rxr> Baldzius: I hope not, since I'm mostly done with them ,-)
13:26 < Baldzius> rxr: no, i 'm not :)
13:26 < Baldzius> rxr: don't forget fontconfig :)
13:41 < morfoh> rxr: what is status of updating qt to 4.1.x ? have you run tests yet ?
14:10 < rxr> there is no such option as updating
14:10 < rxr> adding a second package if someone wants it
14:11 < rxr> but 99% of the software will need qt3 for at least the next year++
14:11 < morfoh> rxr: ic
14:12 < rxr> kde 4 will be out around xmas this year or later ...
14:12 < morfoh> rxr: I've seen the roadmap of kde4 and they plan a first technical preview in october
14:13 < morfoh> rxr: but I agree with you in better adding a qt4 package
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15:07 < CIA-7> rene * r17279 /trunk/package/xorg/fixesproto/fixesproto.desc: * updated fixesproto (3.0.2 -> 4.0)
15:07 < CIA-7> rene * r17280 /trunk/package/xorg/fontconfig/fontconfig.desc: * updated fontconfig (2.3.94 -> 2.3.95)
15:07 < CIA-7> rene * r17281 /trunk/package/xorg/fstobdf/fstobdf.desc: * updated fstobdf (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
15:07 < CIA-7> rene * r17282 /trunk/package/xorg/libdmx/libdmx.desc: * updated libdmx (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
15:07 < CIA-7> rene * r17283 /trunk/package/xorg/libfontenc/libfontenc.desc: * updated libfontenc (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
15:07 < CIA-7> rene * r17284 /trunk/package/xorg/libice/libice.desc: * updated libice (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
15:08 < CIA-7> rene * r17285 /trunk/package/xorg/libsm/libsm.desc: * updated libsm (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
15:08 < CIA-7> rene * r17286 /trunk/package/xorg/libxaw/libxaw.desc: * updated libxaw (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
15:08 < CIA-7> rene * r17287 /trunk/package/xorg/libxcursor/libxcursor.desc: * updated libxcursor (1.1.5.2 -> 1.1.6)
15:08 < CIA-7> rene * r17288 /trunk/package/xorg/libxdamage/libxdamage.desc: * updated libxdamage (1.0.2.2 -> 1.0.3)
15:08 < CIA-7> rene * r17289 /trunk/package/xorg/libxdmcp/libxdmcp.desc: * updated libxdmcp (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
15:08 < CIA-7> rene * r17290 /trunk/package/xorg/libxevie/libxevie.desc: * updated libxevie (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
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15:09 < CIA-7> rene * r17297 /trunk/package/xorg/libxmu/libxmu.desc: * updated libxmu (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
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15:09 < CIA-7> rene * r17298 /trunk/package/xorg/libxpm/libxpm.desc: * updated libxpm (3.5.4.2 -> 3.5.5)
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15:13 < sepp> hello
15:14 < morfoh> hi "brown coal" sepp :)
15:14 < sepp> hehe, hi morfoh
15:15 < morfoh> sepp: can you publish your t2-brown-coal-release.jpg again ? :)
15:15 < morfoh> I'd like to see it :)
15:15 < sepp> lol - i see you are very gdr nostalgic
15:16 < morfoh> sepp: no ... I just would like to see it because I was coming home to late :)
15:17 < sepp> http://213.54.134.84/t2-brown-coal-release.jpg - lol
15:17 < morfoh> :D
15:18 < mnemoc> oh
15:18 < sepp> rotfl
15:18 < mnemoc> how long can the brown coal be heating?
15:19 < sepp> no clue
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15:26 < mnemoc> wb mtr
15:26 < morfoh> wb mtr :)
15:27 < morfoh> mtr: how is your _huge_ family going ? :)
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15:43 [Users #t2]
15:43 [@ChanServ] [ idealm] [ misl ] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly_] [ _Ragnar_]
15:43 [ Baldzius] [ laj ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ tdi ]
15:43 [ CIA-7 ] [ LMJ ] [ morfoh] [ sepp] [ valentin ]
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16:19 < mnemoc> fall over him
16:20 < morfoh> oh :)
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19:36 < tdi> re
19:36 < tdi> 17:24 < mnemoc> how long can the brown coal be heating?
19:36 < tdi> lol
19:36 < morfoh> tdi: wb tdi :)
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20:42 < tdi> brown coal
20:43 < mnemoc> o_O
20:43 < mnemoc> wb veki
20:44 < veki> hi
20:44 < veki> I am finishing article I told you about. I need 30 minutes or so to finish it and I will come back
20:45 < mnemoc> :)
20:45 < veki> :-)
20:45 < veki> I will send you copy of it for comments
20:46 < mnemoc> thanks ::)
20:47 < tdi> what am i paying for
20:47 < veki> ok ;)
20:47 < tdi> canal+ what a shit
20:47 < tdi> only crappy stupid films
20:49 < CIA-7> sebastian * r17319 /trunk/package/graphic/aqsis/: * removed aqsis package
20:50 < mnemoc> oh
20:52 < sepp> broken beyond repair and authors do everything to refuse fixes, help, bugreports ...
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20:53 < sepp> and it was my package
20:53 < mnemoc> ok ok :(
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20:53 < tdi> do you have mpich package ?
20:53 < tdi> and pvm package in t2 ?
20:55 < tdi> morfoh: if t2 is ddk not a regular distro how do you use it
20:56 < sepp> ddk?
20:56 < tdi> distro develp. kit
20:57 < mnemoc> there is a quick start at the web site
20:57 < tdi> i assume u use it @home
20:57 < tdi> i am jus asking if u use it
20:57 < tdi> is it usable as a regular distro
20:57 < tdi> like debian or other gentoos or sth
20:58 < sepp> yes - but its not like debian so you do not get 9dvd's with binaries
20:58 < tdi> yes i know
20:59 < tdi> is it usable ?
20:59 < tdi> i expect binary answer
20:59 < sepp> true
20:59 < mnemoc> yes
20:59 < tdi> cool
21:00 < tdi> so if i install package that is not in the t2 distro
21:00 < tdi> i have to make it install its configuration files to /etc/conf?
21:00 < mnemoc> o_O
21:01 < tdi> A full build of the desktop target takes about three days on a 3 Ghz Athlon 64.
21:01 < tdi> not possible
21:02 < sepp> that means to compile a desktop target that includes kde/gnome
21:03 < tdi> yes
21:03 < tdi> not possible
21:03 < tdi> it takes less time
21:03 < sepp> does it really takes 3 days?
21:03 < tdi> 3ghz it takes max 12h
21:04 < sepp> i am sure it takes >12h :)
21:05 < sepp> but maybe 3 days for desktop target on a x86-64 is a bit too long
21:05 < tdi> yes it is
21:05 < mnemoc> but 2 day is ok i think
21:05 < tdi> kde gentoo system on my 1.86 machine took 6j
21:05 < tdi> 6h
21:07 < tdi> so when i build t2
21:07 < tdi> i have to write my own package management ?
21:07 < tdi> to have pkg dependencies and so on
21:10 < tdi> ./scripts/Create-ISO my_own_t2 bootdisc system
21:10 < tdi> i like that
21:12 < sepp> if you use trunk you do not need a extra bootdisk target
21:14 < tdi> so how do you all use t2 as distro ?
21:14 < tdi> just like that ?
21:16 < mnemoc> i don't use t2 as distro, i use azazel as desktop, sedu, lamassu, sheba, menrva, entvoice, ... as servers ... all t2-powered.
21:17 < tdi> yes that is what i meant
21:17 < tdi> but u use t2 as your system
21:19 < mnemoc> my system use a distribution created and maintained using t2 :)
21:21 < mnemoc> t2 is a tool
21:21 < mnemoc> and a framework
21:23 < tdi> so it your own private distribution yes?
21:24 < mnemoc> not really private, there are 7 machines running the same build... and one with some extra things running on my desktop
21:25 < tdi> what i mean : self made
21:25 < mnemoc> t2-powered :)
21:25 < mnemoc> but yes, i defined it
21:26 < tdi> pity i have no time to write my own packaging system
21:26 < tdi> but if i had i would wrie it in perl
21:31 < sepp> i like it because it is not hard to make your own "system" with exactly the packages you want/need - and not something with gnome/kde/whatever that you will never use
21:31 < tdi> ahh i understand
21:32 < tdi> so i have to think _before_ i make my own specific installation
21:32 < tdi> i define, build and install on a machine it fit logically to
21:32 < tdi> to which i defined _it_ to work on ?
21:34 < mnemoc> ack
21:34 < tdi> so i am begiining to undestand
21:35 < mnemoc> you have to live t2 to understand it :)
21:35 < tdi> it is static apporach
21:35 < mnemoc> o_O
21:35 < tdi> staically buit
21:35 < tdi> built
22:21 < morfoh> tdi :D
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