T2 IRC Log: 2006-04-12
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--- Log opened Wed Apr 12 00:00:18 2006
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00:24 < CIA-7> sebastian * r16902 /trunk/package/x11/mrxvt/mrxvt.desc: * updated mrxvt (0.4.2 -> 0.5.0)
00:27 < CIA-7> sebastian * r16903 /trunk/package/e17/ephoto/ (. ephoto.cache ephoto.desc): * added ephoto (2006-04-09) - A presentation application
00:34 < morfoh> sepp: :)
00:35 < morfoh> sepp: have you seen the devian module within e-modules ?
00:36 < sepp> yes - really useless but very nice
00:37 < morfoh> sepp: yes ... nice but I like the RSS feature :)
00:38 < sepp> yes, the rss reader is great
00:39 < morfoh> sepp: btw, graphics support in mnemosyne is becoming useful thanks to your list :)
00:39 < sepp> i installed that xorg selection today on my laptop
00:40 < morfoh> I run it atm :)
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06:32 < rxr> re
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06:32 < rxr> damn daily reconns ...
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06:48 < rxr__> hm, my providing having trouble ?
06:48 < rxr__> anyway
06:48 < rxr__> mnemoc: can you tell mofoh to use commit messages?:
06:48 < rxr__> # svn log -r 16523
06:48 < rxr__> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
06:48 < rxr__> r16523 | chris | 2006-03-31 11:26:06 +0200 (Fri, 31 Mar 2006) | 1 line
06:48 < rxr__> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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08:15 < rxr> hm
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08:16 < rxr> taking a glance into uclibc/parse-config makes my stomarch turn over, and people suggested uclibc would be somwwat cleaner than dietlibc ...
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08:22 < CIA-7> rene * r16906 /trunk/package/base/libiconv/ (. libiconv.cache libiconv.desc):
08:22 < CIA-7> * added libiconv (1.9.2) - Library converting between character
08:22 < CIA-7> encodings, a drop-in implementation for systems lacking iconv()
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08:37 < CIA-7> rene * r16907 /trunk/package/base/pkgconfig/parse-config:
08:37 < CIA-7> * merged the PKG_CONFIG_PATH filling from the system etc/profile into
08:37 < CIA-7> pkgconfig/parse-config so it is acually useful for more then proof
08:37 < CIA-7> of concept
08:37 < rxr> ah, CIA is back
08:42 < CIA-7> rene * r16908 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/parse-config-9: * added libiconv to the uclibc/parse-config-9 hackery
08:44 < CIA-7> rene * r16909 /trunk/package/textproc/libxml/libxml.conf: * fixed libxml for cross builds by disabling python module build
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08:55 < karasz> moin all
08:55 < rxr> moin karasz
08:56 < karasz> hello rxr.
09:12 * rxr lunch and lecture, cu
09:14 < rxr> valentin: hey, maybe the soccer wm will bring a map to the german google map as well ? ;-)
09:14 < rxr> cu
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09:26 < karasz> cu guys latter.
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09:42 < valentin> moin
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11:47 < rxr> hi valentin
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11:48 * rxr partially damanged the reiser4 by hardreset while the kernel was falling asleep ..
11:48 < rxr> strangely was writing to disk for 5minutes and I wanted to go :-(
11:49 < rxr> hope the fsck.reiser4 running for 1:30h noe will yield most content 8-/
11:52 < rxr> puh, finished - looks fine so far ...
12:20 < Baldzius> good morning
12:20 < Baldzius> rxr: what kernel version?
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12:41 < CIA-7> chris * r16910 /trunk/package/network/iptables/iptables.conf: * fixed iptables to just inject DO_MULTI=1 and NO_SHARED_LIBS=1 to makeopt if we build statically linked binaries.
12:47 < CIA-7> chris * r16911 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_iptables_pre.conf:
12:47 < CIA-7> * removed dietlibc/pkg_iptables_pre.conf which injected DO_MULTI=1
12:47 < CIA-7> NO_SHARED_LIBS=1 even if we set SDECFG_STATIC=0. Injecting DO_MULTI=1 and
12:47 < CIA-7> NO_SHARED_LIBS=1 is now done directly in iptables.conf (see: r16910) if
12:47 < CIA-7> SDECFG_STATIC=1.
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13:15 < CIA-7> susan * r16912 /trunk/package/gnome2/yelp/yelp.desc: * updated yelp (2.14.0 -> 2.14.1)
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13:15 < CIA-7> susan * r16913 /trunk/package/gnome2/dasher/dasher.desc: * updated dasher (4.0.1 -> 4.0.2)
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13:26 < karasz> i have to leave, this is unvareable... :(
13:26 < karasz> cu whe I will have a decent inet.
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14:13 < CIA-7> chris * r16914 /trunk/misc/lua/ (parse-desc.lua sde/desc.lua):
14:13 < CIA-7> * fixed lua parse-desc to include the right module and function
14:13 < CIA-7> * fixed desc.lua module to read the given .desc file line by line
14:31 < CIA-7> chris * r16915 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * added missing cksum (seems that injecting the proper cksum after updating is too complicated, ./scripts/Create-CkSumPatch is your friend)
14:33 < morfoh> or even better use misc/archive/Update.sh
14:50 < rxr> e
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14:51 < rxr> morfoh: when you want insulting commit messages you are better off over at rock-linux ...
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14:56 < rxr> morfoh: and btw. you even commited a evas change without commit message at all
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14:56 < morfoh> rxr: I didn't insult ... I just gave a hint, and I think we shouldn't start discussing about insulting ... or did your hear me blaming you for a _very_ incomplete and not tested commit which screwed up the whole build system with any discussion. wasn't it you who requested more discussions even about such trivial thing like changing the default prefix of an application like firefox ?
14:57 < morfoh> rxr: better a working update with a missed accidently missed commit message than a total broken commit I'd say
14:57 < morfoh> rxr: but I told you ... just for your favour, that we shouldn't start that kind of discussion
14:59 < rxr> morfoh: you don't want to pick up your phone ?
15:00 < rxr> but you can also comment here why this would be for my favour ...
15:00 < morfoh> I can't hear my phone ringing ... sorry
15:02 < rxr> looks even now not
15:02 < rxr> anyway, /me back to work
15:03 < morfoh> rxr: good
15:05 < mnemoc> i would like to see the reasons exposed here, and discussed here, as grown up people and finally to have all the problem solved
15:06 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
15:07 < rxr> morfoh: if you could give me a call?
15:07 < mnemoc> this is not just between two members, it affects the whole T2 community imo
15:08 < rxr> mnemoc: if you think so, feel free to write what you want to
15:09 < mnemoc> " but you can also comment here why this would be for my favour ..."
15:09 < mnemoc> i justz what to know what would be in your favour ... i really didn'T understand that statement from you
15:09 < mnemoc> s/what/want/
15:12 < rxr> 14:57 < morfoh> rxr: but I told you ... just for your favour, that we shouldn't
15:12 < rxr> start that kind of discussion
15:19 < CIA-7> chris * r16916 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.16.2 -> 2.6.16.4)
15:22 < rxr> so no forthcomming ...
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15:32 < trb7> hi
15:32 < morfoh> hi trb7 :)
15:33 < trb7> hi morfoh
15:33 < morfoh> trb7: how is your xpdf fixing going ? :)
15:33 < LMJ> moin moin
15:34 < LMJ> hello trb7 ;)
15:34 < LMJ> hello morfoh, rxr
15:39 < morfoh> hi LMJ
15:43 < mnemoc> rxr: what was the design reason to set dumb description to the targets instead of preserving those used before impossing auto-registration?
15:45 < trb7> hi mnemoc
15:45 < mnemoc> hi trb7 :)
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15:51 < trb7> as i was saying, checking the logs atm, to see how the glib12/gtk+14 libs went to /lib64 and /usr/lib64
15:51 < trb7> instead of /opt/gnome/lib64
15:52 < trb7> the build log shows a config_command=' ./configure --prefix=/ --bindir=/bin --sbindir=/sbin.... --libdir=/lib64...
15:57 < mnemoc> for xpdf??
15:57 < trb7> no, glib12...
15:57 < trb7> the xpdf problem is lesstif
15:58 < trb7> fixing the lesstif lib location, and xpdf is ok
15:58 < trb7> just checking atm, why glib12 puts everything in the root
15:58 < mnemoc> it should be /opt/gnome14 iirc
15:59 < mnemoc> what do you mean by 'fixing lesstif lib location'?
15:59 < trb7> lesstif ignores --libdir, and always puts the libs in lib/, instead of lib64/
16:00 < mnemoc> ok, good fix then :)
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16:00 < trb7> ;)
16:03 < trb7> hmm, quick question
16:03 < trb7> i was checking the confs, and there's this check for glib12 in the conf
16:03 < trb7> if you don't have a configuration with glib12 marked as enabled
16:03 < trb7> everything goes to root
16:03 < trb7> but
16:03 < trb7> if you enable it in the configuration, and then emerge it
16:03 < trb7> then it goes to /opt/gnome
16:04 < trb7> shouldn't it go to the correct place, if you emerged it directly?
16:04 < mnemoc> so the .conf file needs a 'default' value if the SDECFG_ thing is not set
16:04 < trb7> yes
16:07 < rxr> mnemoc: you are free to improve the Descriptions
16:10 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll doit tonight, but next time *please* try to be sure you don'T destroy anything with your commits
16:11 < mnemoc> we had description, and after the change we don't. that's damaging the tree
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: you did not only wasted a lot of my money, you also get on my nerves, ok ?
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: please stop this tolling otherwise you get into my ignore list sooner than later
16:11 < rxr> and no
16:11 < rxr> you do not need to argue around here ...
16:12 < mnemoc> stupid selfish arrogant, try to remember T2 is not your playground
16:13 < mnemoc> and our personal issue are beside the project we have in 'common'
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16:13 < rxr> mnemoc: the only person that are selfish here is you
16:14 < rxr> mnemoc: I donated money, a flight and wanted to employ you, what I got back is nothing and you putting me in bad light here
16:14 < rxr> that is how things look to get it straight
16:14 < rxr> and I further wanted to donate the flight back as it did not work out plus two more fully paid month go get you into life there again which you did not wanted
16:14 < rxr> this is how things look
16:15 < rxr> not /me that is just thinking just about me
16:15 < mnemoc> i also loose a lot just for trusting in your word, a mistake i'm trying to forgot and keep this project going even with you breaking it daily
16:15 < rxr> and now, STOP, or you can go try to setup yet another ROCK fork
16:15 < rxr> mnemoc: YOU did a lot of random, uneeded work, moved the target output stuff around in the first place
16:16 < mnemoc> did i brteak anything?
16:16 < rxr> and hacked a target registration into t2 that was just used for your own target, that I did not preserve the best naming of the target while I rearanged the things to be in the style of the ramining code really should not be up to discuss here
16:16 < rxr> what minor stuff did I broke, hm ?
16:16 < mnemoc> and forgot to commit (as usual) half of the related changes
16:17 < rxr> yeah, what bit ?
16:17 < mnemoc> the reference to the new location inside the code of the outputs
16:17 < mnemoc> do you want the revision?
16:17 < mnemoc> where i fixed your roken commit?
16:20 < rxr> yes
16:20 < rxr> mnemoc: as broken as e.g. the PKG_CONFIG_* and cross stuff you took 4 days for 3 lines that did not work?
16:20 < rxr> fix see today ... ?
16:20 < rxr> mnemoc: stop tolling around here, it really is not your advantage, this time
16:21 < rxr> and yes, if it would be for me I would turn back the time and did not let ths gracious sponsoring happen that disturbed the happiness in this channel
16:22 < LMJ> :-/
16:22 < mnemoc> the happiness of the channel got lost the day you started trolling againt the mozilla prefix change and ignorethe screams of the users about the broken gnome update
16:23 < rxr> that jeurgen did, and I'm communicating happily with jeurgen
16:23 < rxr> what broken gnome update?
16:23 < rxr> it is running here fine
16:23 < mnemoc> pff
16:23 < mnemoc> go and read the logs
16:24 < rxr> it was not tested, and? it was the basic update as best as a one pass version checker found at that time and susan ask noone to fix it, her iBook was building the thing and she would have done the 2 missing updates herself anyway
16:24 < rxr> so what ?
16:25 < valentin> guys, calm down please
16:25 < morfoh> rxr: you should try to strike the right tone ... I didn't knew that you're deciding who is working on T2 or not ... what are the other people around here at T2 ? just the little dumb "helpers" of GOD@T2 who decides alone to commit intrussive changes without any notification ?
16:25 < rxr> and the evas changes people commited also did not work? did I scream about such minot glitches?
16:25 < rxr> morfoh: no
16:25 < rxr> but you both have the wrong tone for weeks now
16:25 < morfoh> rxr: I think you're living in a different world
16:25 < valentin> morfoh: you don't sound very nice either
16:26 < rxr> and that even when I donated tons of kEURs to mnemoc who is pissed now that I can not employ him when he is only doing other stuff than I told him to do
16:26 < morfoh> valentin: do you think I like this kind of discussions ... and I'm very sorry for that
16:26 < rxr> and even with my offe to fly him back and 2 paid month to get a job over there again
16:26 < rxr> morfoh: I even donated a month of rent before and we send a computer over there for christmas
16:27 < rxr> morfoh: and now all I get is getting pissed day by day
16:27 < rxr> morfoh: and I have no idea what half of this stuff mnemoc oly told you
16:27 < valentin> i understand rxr is a bit disappointed about how things came out with mnemoc and i thing mnemoc is dissapointed too. but there is no reason to talk like that here in the channel
16:28 < morfoh> valentin: ack ... that's why I said to avoid this discussion, and clearly seperate personal and project issues
16:28 < valentin> morfoh: your commit message wasn't very nice too
16:29 < rxr> morfoh: I donated a lot, demand nothing, invest a lot time into T2 PR and rejected a job offer from vmware because mnemoc' flight was already scheduled, wanted to pay his flight back when he was not working here + 2 more month so what?
16:29 < valentin> maybe just think about how other members feel
16:29 < morfoh> valentin: it wasn't meant offensive it was just a tip ... and even not intented to be focused on one particular person
16:29 < rxr> and yes, I did not wanted to fill all this here and that tried to call you a wekk ago and today
16:30 < rxr> but as you both wrote, it should be discussed here "as real man do" or something alike
16:30 < valentin> maybe you do your phone discussion and stop this thing here
16:30 < rxr> 15:05 < mnemoc> i would like to see the reasons exposed here, and discussed
16:30 < rxr> here, as grown up people and finally to have all the problem
16:30 < rxr> solved
16:30 < rxr> I said my part here,
16:31 < valentin> ok, then we now know why rxr is pissed and mnemoc told us why he is pissed. so what now ?
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16:31 < rxr> just to note, I'm not pisssed about the money, but how people react these days
16:31 < rxr> nothing more
16:35 < valentin> i do not think it is too clever to discuss such things here in the channel, there are even more missunderstandings
16:35 < rxr> valentin: as I wrote, I tried the phone and they wanted an "open" discussion "as grown up people do"
16:36 < valentin> and if we want to avoid such 'who broke what' discussions, we could either switch to submaster (which i do not prefer) or be more constructive instead of piss and feeling pissed
16:39 < valentin> or just communicate a bit more before doing such huge changes like auto-registration and stuff
16:39 < rxr> valentin: I asked 3 days before I did it
16:39 < rxr> and notifed mnemoc that it will require a one line change because his custom code will get removed hours before I commit
16:40 < valentin> ok
16:40 < rxr> "they" /just/ freak out because I did not preserve the names formerly encoded in the config.in, because I felt some have been imperfect before and my time in the uni lecture did not leave more time to cut'n paste all names
16:40 < mnemoc> after on topic i just want to say that i know i did what i did thinking just on the defined goals, on the top of my capabilities on that moment and on that field and i have no consience issue related. on the other topic trunk is trunk, of course, but if you do a change you could at least worry and be there to fix the problems produced, taking the resposiability for the changes.
16:40 < rxr> and that I might have overlook some hardcoded location of some path or so
16:41 < mnemoc> and if something affects more people that the people present on the channel during the dicussion it must be at least informed to the rest of the *community* using the ML
16:41 < rxr> mnemoc: if you would have pointed me to a change that needs polishing I would have done as usual
16:42 < valentin> i need to leave now, bbl
16:42 < rxr> cu valentin
16:42 < LMJ> cu valentin
16:42 < mnemoc> cu valentin
16:42 < morfoh> cu valentin
16:42 < valentin> cu rxr, LMJ, mnemoc, morfoh
16:43 < valentin> learly seperate personal and project
16:43 < valentin> issues
16:43 < valentin> cu
16:44 < mnemoc> i'm trying to, but all the statements with 'some people' we got the last week got me complety out of my nerves
16:44 < rxr> for good reasons
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17:02 < rxr> hi karasz
17:02 < karasz> hello rxr.
17:03 < mnemoc> wb karasz
17:04 < karasz> thx mnemoc
17:04 < trb7> back
17:04 < trb7> hi karasz
17:04 < rxr> hi trb7
17:04 < trb7> hi rxr
17:04 < karasz> wb trb7
17:04 < trb7> was checking glib12 and gtk+12
17:05 < trb7> if they're not enabled in the cfg, both go to the root of the system, and gtk+12 fails, failing to symlink some libraries
17:05 < rxr> yes, the empty prefix is a common problem of this prefix detection we have since ROCK 1.7 times
17:06 < rxr> I think we we should add some generic check code with fallback to not tweak the prefix in the case it is neither selected nor the base installed
17:06 < mnemoc> and prefix=${SDECFG_FOO_PREFIX:-/the/default} ?
17:08 < rxr> yes, s.th. like this, but when we change all of them I meant to change them all to a dectection function with some library as argument to check against so we do not have to touch all those gnome, kde, xfce and so on custom code sniplets in the future
17:36 < rxr> n8 all
17:37 < trb7> good night rxr
17:38 < trb7> well, these lesstif scripts are driving me nuts
17:39 < karasz> gn8 rxr
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19:15 < CIA-7> chris * r16917 /trunk/misc/archive/findorphans.sh:
19:15 < CIA-7> * added small helper (misc/archive/findorphans.sh) to search for files
19:15 < CIA-7> not present on any flist file. (like firefox's .jar files)
19:31 < mnemoc> thanks morfoh
19:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: you're welcome :)
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21:36 < mnemoc> rxr: http://ustl.sourceforge.net/
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00:27 < CIA-7> sebastian * r16903 /trunk/package/e17/ephoto/ (. ephoto.cache ephoto.desc): * added ephoto (2006-04-09) - A presentation application
00:34 < morfoh> sepp: :)
00:35 < morfoh> sepp: have you seen the devian module within e-modules ?
00:36 < sepp> yes - really useless but very nice
00:37 < morfoh> sepp: yes ... nice but I like the RSS feature :)
00:38 < sepp> yes, the rss reader is great
00:39 < morfoh> sepp: btw, graphics support in mnemosyne is becoming useful thanks to your list :)
00:39 < sepp> i installed that xorg selection today on my laptop
00:40 < morfoh> I run it atm :)
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06:32 < rxr> re
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06:48 < rxr__> hm, my providing having trouble ?
06:48 < rxr__> anyway
06:48 < rxr__> mnemoc: can you tell mofoh to use commit messages?:
06:48 < rxr__> # svn log -r 16523
06:48 < rxr__> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
06:48 < rxr__> r16523 | chris | 2006-03-31 11:26:06 +0200 (Fri, 31 Mar 2006) | 1 line
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08:15 < rxr> hm
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08:16 < rxr> taking a glance into uclibc/parse-config makes my stomarch turn over, and people suggested uclibc would be somwwat cleaner than dietlibc ...
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08:22 < CIA-7> rene * r16906 /trunk/package/base/libiconv/ (. libiconv.cache libiconv.desc):
08:22 < CIA-7> * added libiconv (1.9.2) - Library converting between character
08:22 < CIA-7> encodings, a drop-in implementation for systems lacking iconv()
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08:37 < CIA-7> rene * r16907 /trunk/package/base/pkgconfig/parse-config:
08:37 < CIA-7> * merged the PKG_CONFIG_PATH filling from the system etc/profile into
08:37 < CIA-7> pkgconfig/parse-config so it is acually useful for more then proof
08:37 < CIA-7> of concept
08:37 < rxr> ah, CIA is back
08:42 < CIA-7> rene * r16908 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/parse-config-9: * added libiconv to the uclibc/parse-config-9 hackery
08:44 < CIA-7> rene * r16909 /trunk/package/textproc/libxml/libxml.conf: * fixed libxml for cross builds by disabling python module build
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08:55 < karasz> moin all
08:55 < rxr> moin karasz
08:56 < karasz> hello rxr.
09:12 * rxr lunch and lecture, cu
09:14 < rxr> valentin: hey, maybe the soccer wm will bring a map to the german google map as well ? ;-)
09:14 < rxr> cu
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09:26 < karasz> cu guys latter.
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09:42 < valentin> moin
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11:47 < rxr> hi valentin
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11:48 * rxr partially damanged the reiser4 by hardreset while the kernel was falling asleep ..
11:48 < rxr> strangely was writing to disk for 5minutes and I wanted to go :-(
11:49 < rxr> hope the fsck.reiser4 running for 1:30h noe will yield most content 8-/
11:52 < rxr> puh, finished - looks fine so far ...
12:20 < Baldzius> good morning
12:20 < Baldzius> rxr: what kernel version?
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12:41 < CIA-7> chris * r16910 /trunk/package/network/iptables/iptables.conf: * fixed iptables to just inject DO_MULTI=1 and NO_SHARED_LIBS=1 to makeopt if we build statically linked binaries.
12:47 < CIA-7> chris * r16911 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_iptables_pre.conf:
12:47 < CIA-7> * removed dietlibc/pkg_iptables_pre.conf which injected DO_MULTI=1
12:47 < CIA-7> NO_SHARED_LIBS=1 even if we set SDECFG_STATIC=0. Injecting DO_MULTI=1 and
12:47 < CIA-7> NO_SHARED_LIBS=1 is now done directly in iptables.conf (see: r16910) if
12:47 < CIA-7> SDECFG_STATIC=1.
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13:15 < CIA-7> susan * r16912 /trunk/package/gnome2/yelp/yelp.desc: * updated yelp (2.14.0 -> 2.14.1)
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13:15 < CIA-7> susan * r16913 /trunk/package/gnome2/dasher/dasher.desc: * updated dasher (4.0.1 -> 4.0.2)
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13:26 < karasz> i have to leave, this is unvareable... :(
13:26 < karasz> cu whe I will have a decent inet.
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14:13 < CIA-7> chris * r16914 /trunk/misc/lua/ (parse-desc.lua sde/desc.lua):
14:13 < CIA-7> * fixed lua parse-desc to include the right module and function
14:13 < CIA-7> * fixed desc.lua module to read the given .desc file line by line
14:31 < CIA-7> chris * r16915 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * added missing cksum (seems that injecting the proper cksum after updating is too complicated, ./scripts/Create-CkSumPatch is your friend)
14:33 < morfoh> or even better use misc/archive/Update.sh
14:50 < rxr> e
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14:51 < rxr> morfoh: when you want insulting commit messages you are better off over at rock-linux ...
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14:56 < rxr> morfoh: and btw. you even commited a evas change without commit message at all
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14:56 < morfoh> rxr: I didn't insult ... I just gave a hint, and I think we shouldn't start discussing about insulting ... or did your hear me blaming you for a _very_ incomplete and not tested commit which screwed up the whole build system with any discussion. wasn't it you who requested more discussions even about such trivial thing like changing the default prefix of an application like firefox ?
14:57 < morfoh> rxr: better a working update with a missed accidently missed commit message than a total broken commit I'd say
14:57 < morfoh> rxr: but I told you ... just for your favour, that we shouldn't start that kind of discussion
14:59 < rxr> morfoh: you don't want to pick up your phone ?
15:00 < rxr> but you can also comment here why this would be for my favour ...
15:00 < morfoh> I can't hear my phone ringing ... sorry
15:02 < rxr> looks even now not
15:02 < rxr> anyway, /me back to work
15:03 < morfoh> rxr: good
15:05 < mnemoc> i would like to see the reasons exposed here, and discussed here, as grown up people and finally to have all the problem solved
15:06 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
15:07 < rxr> morfoh: if you could give me a call?
15:07 < mnemoc> this is not just between two members, it affects the whole T2 community imo
15:08 < rxr> mnemoc: if you think so, feel free to write what you want to
15:09 < mnemoc> "
15:09 < mnemoc> i justz what to know what would be in your favour ... i really didn'T understand that statement from you
15:09 < mnemoc> s/what/want/
15:12 < rxr> 14:57 < morfoh> rxr: but I told you ... just for your favour, that we shouldn't
15:12 < rxr> start that kind of discussion
15:19 < CIA-7> chris * r16916 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.16.2 -> 2.6.16.4)
15:22 < rxr> so no forthcomming ...
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15:32 < trb7> hi
15:32 < morfoh> hi trb7 :)
15:33 < trb7> hi morfoh
15:33 < morfoh> trb7: how is your xpdf fixing going ? :)
15:33 < LMJ> moin moin
15:34 < LMJ> hello trb7 ;)
15:34 < LMJ> hello morfoh, rxr
15:39 < morfoh> hi LMJ
15:43 < mnemoc> rxr: what was the design reason to set dumb description to the targets instead of preserving those used before impossing auto-registration?
15:45 < trb7> hi mnemoc
15:45 < mnemoc> hi trb7 :)
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15:51 < trb7> as i was saying, checking the logs atm, to see how the glib12/gtk+14 libs went to /lib64 and /usr/lib64
15:51 < trb7> instead of /opt/gnome/lib64
15:52 < trb7> the build log shows a config_command=' ./configure --prefix=/ --bindir=/bin --sbindir=/sbin.... --libdir=/lib64...
15:57 < mnemoc> for xpdf??
15:57 < trb7> no, glib12...
15:57 < trb7> the xpdf problem is lesstif
15:58 < trb7> fixing the lesstif lib location, and xpdf is ok
15:58 < trb7> just checking atm, why glib12 puts everything in the root
15:58 < mnemoc> it should be /opt/gnome14 iirc
15:59 < mnemoc> what do you mean by 'fixing lesstif lib location'?
15:59 < trb7> lesstif ignores --libdir, and always puts the libs in lib/, instead of lib64/
16:00 < mnemoc> ok, good fix then :)
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16:00 < trb7> ;)
16:03 < trb7> hmm, quick question
16:03 < trb7> i was checking the confs, and there's this check for glib12 in the conf
16:03 < trb7> if you don't have a configuration with glib12 marked as enabled
16:03 < trb7> everything goes to root
16:03 < trb7> but
16:03 < trb7> if you enable it in the configuration, and then emerge it
16:03 < trb7> then it goes to /opt/gnome
16:04 < trb7> shouldn't it go to the correct place, if you emerged it directly?
16:04 < mnemoc> so the .conf file needs a 'default' value if the SDECFG_ thing is not set
16:04 < trb7> yes
16:07 < rxr> mnemoc: you are free to improve the Descriptions
16:10 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll doit tonight, but next time *please* try to be sure you don'T destroy anything with your commits
16:11 < mnemoc> we had description, and after the change we don't. that's damaging the tree
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: you did not only wasted a lot of my money, you also get on my nerves, ok ?
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: please stop this tolling otherwise you get into my ignore list sooner than later
16:11 < rxr> and no
16:11 < rxr> you do not need to argue around here ...
16:12 < mnemoc> stupid selfish arrogant, try to remember T2 is not your playground
16:13 < mnemoc> and our personal issue are beside the project we have in 'common'
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16:13 < rxr> mnemoc: the only person that are selfish here is you
16:14 < rxr> mnemoc: I donated money, a flight and wanted to employ you, what I got back is nothing and you putting me in bad light here
16:14 < rxr> that is how things look to get it straight
16:14 < rxr> and I further wanted to donate the flight back as it did not work out plus two more fully paid month go get you into life there again which you did not wanted
16:14 < rxr> this is how things look
16:15 < rxr> not /me that is just thinking just about me
16:15 < mnemoc> i also loose a lot just for trusting in your word, a mistake i'm trying to forgot and keep this project going even with you breaking it daily
16:15 < rxr> and now, STOP, or you can go try to setup yet another ROCK fork
16:15 < rxr> mnemoc: YOU did a lot of random, uneeded work, moved the target output stuff around in the first place
16:16 < mnemoc> did i brteak anything?
16:16 < rxr> and hacked a target registration into t2 that was just used for your own target, that I did not preserve the best naming of the target while I rearanged the things to be in the style of the ramining code really should not be up to discuss here
16:16 < rxr> what minor stuff did I broke, hm ?
16:16 < mnemoc> and forgot to commit (as usual) half of the related changes
16:17 < rxr> yeah, what bit ?
16:17 < mnemoc> the reference to the new location inside the code of the outputs
16:17 < mnemoc> do you want the revision?
16:17 < mnemoc> where i fixed your roken commit?
16:20 < rxr> yes
16:20 < rxr> mnemoc: as broken as e.g. the PKG_CONFIG_* and cross stuff you took 4 days for 3 lines that did not work?
16:20 < rxr> fix see today ... ?
16:20 < rxr> mnemoc: stop tolling around here, it really is not your advantage, this time
16:21 < rxr> and yes, if it would be for me I would turn back the time and did not let ths gracious sponsoring happen that disturbed the happiness in this channel
16:22 < LMJ> :-/
16:22 < mnemoc> the happiness of the channel got lost the day you started trolling againt the mozilla prefix change and ignorethe screams of the users about the broken gnome update
16:23 < rxr> that jeurgen did, and I'm communicating happily with jeurgen
16:23 < rxr> what broken gnome update?
16:23 < rxr> it is running here fine
16:23 < mnemoc> pff
16:23 < mnemoc> go and read the logs
16:24 < rxr> it was not tested, and? it was the basic update as best as a one pass version checker found at that time and susan ask noone to fix it, her iBook was building the thing and she would have done the 2 missing updates herself anyway
16:24 < rxr> so what ?
16:25 < valentin> guys, calm down please
16:25 < morfoh> rxr: you should try to strike the right tone ... I didn't knew that you're deciding who is working on T2 or not ... what are the other people around here at T2 ? just the little dumb "helpers" of GOD@T2 who decides alone to commit intrussive changes without any notification ?
16:25 < rxr> and the evas changes people commited also did not work? did I scream about such minot glitches?
16:25 < rxr> morfoh: no
16:25 < rxr> but you both have the wrong tone for weeks now
16:25 < morfoh> rxr: I think you're living in a different world
16:25 < valentin> morfoh: you don't sound very nice either
16:26 < rxr> and that even when I donated tons of kEURs to mnemoc who is pissed now that I can not employ him when he is only doing other stuff than I told him to do
16:26 < morfoh> valentin: do you think I like this kind of discussions ... and I'm very sorry for that
16:26 < rxr> and even with my offe to fly him back and 2 paid month to get a job over there again
16:26 < rxr> morfoh: I even donated a month of rent before and we send a computer over there for christmas
16:27 < rxr> morfoh: and now all I get is getting pissed day by day
16:27 < rxr> morfoh: and I have no idea what half of this stuff mnemoc oly told you
16:27 < valentin> i understand rxr is a bit disappointed about how things came out with mnemoc and i thing mnemoc is dissapointed too. but there is no reason to talk like that here in the channel
16:28 < morfoh> valentin: ack ... that's why I said to avoid this discussion, and clearly seperate personal and project issues
16:28 < valentin> morfoh: your commit message wasn't very nice too
16:29 < rxr> morfoh: I donated a lot, demand nothing, invest a lot time into T2 PR and rejected a job offer from vmware because mnemoc' flight was already scheduled, wanted to pay his flight back when he was not working here + 2 more month so what?
16:29 < valentin> maybe just think about how other members feel
16:29 < morfoh> valentin: it wasn't meant offensive it was just a tip ... and even not intented to be focused on one particular person
16:29 < rxr> and yes, I did not wanted to fill all this here and that tried to call you a wekk ago and today
16:30 < rxr> but as you both wrote, it should be discussed here "as real man do" or something alike
16:30 < valentin> maybe you do your phone discussion and stop this thing here
16:30 < rxr> 15:05 < mnemoc> i would like to see the reasons exposed here, and discussed
16:30 < rxr> here, as grown up people and finally to have all the problem
16:30 < rxr> solved
16:30 < rxr> I said my part here,
16:31 < valentin> ok, then we now know why rxr is pissed and mnemoc told us why he is pissed. so what now ?
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16:31 < rxr> just to note, I'm not pisssed about the money, but how people react these days
16:31 < rxr> nothing more
16:35 < valentin> i do not think it is too clever to discuss such things here in the channel, there are even more missunderstandings
16:35 < rxr> valentin: as I wrote, I tried the phone and they wanted an "open" discussion "as grown up people do"
16:36 < valentin> and if we want to avoid such 'who broke what' discussions, we could either switch to submaster (which i do not prefer) or be more constructive instead of piss and feeling pissed
16:39 < valentin> or just communicate a bit more before doing such huge changes like auto-registration and stuff
16:39 < rxr> valentin: I asked 3 days before I did it
16:39 < rxr> and notifed mnemoc that it will require a one line change because his custom code will get removed hours before I commit
16:40 < valentin> ok
16:40 < rxr> "they" /just/ freak out because I did not preserve the names formerly encoded in the config.in, because I felt some have been imperfect before and my time in the uni lecture did not leave more time to cut'n paste all names
16:40 < mnemoc> after on topic i just want to say that i know i did what i did thinking just on the defined goals, on the top of my capabilities on that moment and on that field and i have no consience issue related. on the other topic trunk is trunk, of course, but if you do a change you could at least worry and be there to fix the problems produced, taking the resposiability for the changes.
16:40 < rxr> and that I might have overlook some hardcoded location of some path or so
16:41 < mnemoc> and if something affects more people that the people present on the channel during the dicussion it must be at least informed to the rest of the *community* using the ML
16:41 < rxr> mnemoc: if you would have pointed me to a change that needs polishing I would have done as usual
16:42 < valentin> i need to leave now, bbl
16:42 < rxr> cu valentin
16:42 < LMJ> cu valentin
16:42 < mnemoc> cu valentin
16:42 < morfoh> cu valentin
16:42 < valentin> cu rxr, LMJ, mnemoc, morfoh
16:43 < valentin> learly seperate personal and project
16:43 < valentin> issues
16:43 < valentin> cu
16:44 < mnemoc> i'm trying to, but all the statements with 'some people' we got the last week got me complety out of my nerves
16:44 < rxr> for good reasons
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17:02 < rxr> hi karasz
17:02 < karasz> hello rxr.
17:03 < mnemoc> wb karasz
17:04 < karasz> thx mnemoc
17:04 < trb7> back
17:04 < trb7> hi karasz
17:04 < rxr> hi trb7
17:04 < trb7> hi rxr
17:04 < karasz> wb trb7
17:04 < trb7> was checking glib12 and gtk+12
17:05 < trb7> if they're not enabled in the cfg, both go to the root of the system, and gtk+12 fails, failing to symlink some libraries
17:05 < rxr> yes, the empty prefix is a common problem of this prefix detection we have since ROCK 1.7 times
17:06 < rxr> I think we we should add some generic check code with fallback to not tweak the prefix in the case it is neither selected nor the base installed
17:06 < mnemoc> and prefix=${SDECFG_FOO_PREFIX:-/the/default} ?
17:08 < rxr> yes, s.th. like this, but when we change all of them I meant to change them all to a dectection function with some library as argument to check against so we do not have to touch all those gnome, kde, xfce and so on custom code sniplets in the future
17:36 < rxr> n8 all
17:37 < trb7> good night rxr
17:38 < trb7> well, these lesstif scripts are driving me nuts
17:39 < karasz> gn8 rxr
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19:15 < CIA-7> chris * r16917 /trunk/misc/archive/findorphans.sh:
19:15 < CIA-7> * added small helper (misc/archive/findorphans.sh) to search for files
19:15 < CIA-7> not present on any flist file. (like firefox's .jar files)
19:31 < mnemoc> thanks morfoh
19:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: you're welcome :)
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21:36 < mnemoc> rxr: http://ustl.sourceforge.net/
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22:38 < CIA-7> chris * r16918 /trunk/package/e17/evas/evas.conf: * fixed bug in evas.conf introduced in r16904, '-I' will be injected by pkgconfig
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