--- Log opened Thu Feb 09 00:00:09 2006 --- Day changed Thu Feb 09 2006 00:00 < karasz> O_o 00:00 < karasz> `The present Fon is Sehm Mbinglo III. Young and dynamic, he has reinforced traditional authority and the respect for human dignity despite the pressures of the modern world.` 00:00 < karasz> despite????? 00:02 < karasz> err.... how much is a ticket to .cm ? 00:04 < morfoh> from B. about 700 Euro 00:05 < morfoh> karasz: wann join me on a visit some day ? 00:05 < karasz> `the respect for human dignity` morfoh count me in too ;) 00:05 < karasz> morfoh: yes. 00:09 < morfoh> but we've to go there before the international wood companies destroyed the most of the rain forest 00:09 < morfoh> it's a pitty :( 00:09 < karasz> fuul ack 00:10 < karasz> here local wood companies did a pretty good job on their own... 00:11 < morfoh> yeah ... I think romania had a lot of forest ... or am I wrong ? 00:11 < karasz> no, you are very right 00:11 < karasz> emphasys is on _had_ 00:11 < karasz> in 16 years 45% is gone :( 00:13 < morfoh> :( 00:13 < karasz> i saw entire mountains without trees, it was mind blowin' 00:14 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has quit ["brb."] 00:15 < morfoh> yeah ... about 5 years ago in cameroon the trucks had to go for about 2h to pickup the wood ... now they have drive 2 days 00:15 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has joined #t2 00:24 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: morfoh, madtux, LMJ, valentin, @ChanServ, mtr_, Baldzius, jsaw, axion_, karasz 00:26 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @ChanServ, madtux, morfoh, mtr_, Baldzius, axion_, valentin, LMJ, jsaw, karasz 00:27 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.37] has joined #t2 00:28 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.37] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:28 -!- CIA-18 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #t2 00:28 -!- CIA-9 [i=cia@69.90.211.97] has quit [] 00:30 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 00:30 < mnemoc> rehi 00:30 < morfoh> wb mnemoc :) 00:31 < mnemoc> thx mofoh 00:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: already installing mnemosyne 2.2 using qemu ... to find the reason for the "touch" problem 00:33 < karasz> hi mnemoc 00:33 < owl> you guys did nice work... 00:33 < owl> *looking at t2-sourcecode* 00:34 < morfoh> owl: what are you looking at specifically ? 00:34 < morfoh> owl: btw ... hi :) 00:34 < owl> morfoh: the scripts, package-dirs etc. till now 00:34 < owl> hi morfoh :) 00:34 < owl> hi #t2 ;) 00:35 < mnemoc> hi owlita 00:35 < owl> hi mnemoc ;) 00:35 < morfoh> .oO( damn ... installing on a virtual HD in qemu is not really fast)o 00:36 < owl> morfoh: hahahaha. ack. 00:36 < morfoh> owl: do you know a tweak for speeding up ? 00:36 < owl> morfoh: nah, sorry. no clue 00:36 < karasz> morfoh: silicon ;) 00:37 < morfoh> karasz: I feared that :p 00:37 < karasz> :D 00:37 < owl> silicon? O_O 00:37 * mnemoc don't get it 00:37 < morfoh> owlita owlita 00:38 * morfoh is shaking his head 00:38 < owl> morfoh: ? :) 00:38 < morfoh> owl: you know what I wanted to say ;) 00:39 < owl> morfoh: today? :) 00:39 < karasz> method 1. fill pc with silicon, will not run faster but sure will look funier 00:39 < morfoh> owl: there is no better day than today ? :) 00:39 < karasz> method 2. use silicon based processors instead quemu 00:40 < owl> morfoh: it is. i am half asleep or so 00:40 < morfoh> karasz: give me your IBM server :p 00:40 < karasz> morfoh: querry :D 00:41 < morfoh> what query ? 00:42 < morfoh> owl: why are you half asleep ? how can I wake you up ? 00:42 < mnemoc> :) 00:42 < owl> oh. there's still my minimal+x template? O_O 00:42 < mnemoc> karasz: how is your qmail going? 00:42 < karasz> mnemoc: do not ask :D 00:42 < mnemoc> owl: on t2 trunk works nice... on 2.1 it's broken :\ 00:42 < mnemoc> karasz: ok :) 00:42 < karasz> :D 00:42 < karasz> thanks 00:43 < owl> mnemoc: hrm :) .oO( do i want to have a look? :) 00:43 < morfoh> btw ... today I asked at a Sun and IBM partner here in the same house, if he has a IBM sSeries for testing :p 00:44 < morfoh> owl: go and fix it on 2.1 and you're becoming awake :) 00:44 < karasz> mnemoc: i fear to say that, but i think it is workin' 00:44 < owl> morfoh: 2.1.1? 00:45 < morfoh> branches/2.1-test most probably ;) 00:45 < morfoh> ^ owl 00:45 < owl> ah. ok 00:47 < mnemoc> you are also welcomed to try t2 2.2, modular X rules ,-) 00:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: are you running mnemosyne on 2.2 yet ? 00:47 < morfoh> using mod. X ? 00:48 < mnemoc> morfoh: i'm downloading a new azazel iso... but don't ruin my PR! 00:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: you were talking not specifally about mnemosyne :p 00:49 < owl> btw, what about the ISOs for my ibm rs6k? 00:50 < morfoh> and I guess the sysvinit based systems shoukd work 00:50 < morfoh> at least I saw some impressive screenshots from our "Sepperl" ;) 00:51 < morfoh> owl: what ISO's ? 00:52 < owl> morfoh: well. i've asked if there are ISOs etc. available (which are working) for an ibm rs6k 00:53 < morfoh> owl: try to build some ... even better to stay awake ;) 00:53 * morfoh hides 00:53 < owl> morfoh: *kick* 00:53 < mnemoc> owl: i only have intel hardware 00:54 * morfoh is not here ... owl you missed me :p 00:54 < owl> aeh, waht about crosscompile between different archs? 00:54 < madtux> oh my .... if its the amazing owl.. 00:54 < owl> *g* 00:54 < owl> hi madtux :) why amazing owl? 00:54 < morfoh> owl: check it out ;) 00:54 < madtux> hi -=[ owlita ]=- 00:54 < owl> hrm. :) 00:55 < madtux> owl, cause u are simply amazing in all possible ways to me. 00:55 < owl> madtux: thx a lot. *bow* 00:55 < madtux> you are very welcome. *hug* 00:57 < morfoh> madtux: haven't seen you bootlickin' yet :p 00:57 < owl> madtux: thx *rehug* 00:57 < morfoh> madtux: but it is nice to see that you can behave well 00:57 < morfoh> :) 00:58 < morfoh> .oO( guess I'll be burned soon by that pyromaniac )o 00:58 * morfoh wears his asbestos suite 00:59 < owl> lol :) 01:13 < karasz> brb, gotta test smth 01:13 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:16 -!- karasz [n=root@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 01:16 < karasz> back 01:16 < karasz> so, updated konversation, but 01:17 < karasz> konversation build looks for qt libs in /opt/qt33/lib64, instead of /opt/qt33/lib 01:17 < karasz> any ideeas? 01:19 < karasz> morfoh: ? 01:22 -!- karasz [n=root@80.97.102.202] has left #t2 ["Konversation terminated!"] 01:23 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #T2 01:37 < karasz> I guess tha will be all for today 01:37 < karasz> cu guys tommorow 01:38 < karasz> bye 03:43 < CIA-18> amery * r15370 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone_mod_install.sh: * fixed lvm support on `stone install` 04:01 < morfoh> hehe :) 04:44 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEF9B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #t2 [] 06:13 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 06:21 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15371 /trunk/package/base/libtool/ (libtool.desc parse-config): 06:21 < CIA-18> * add libtool to stage 2 06:21 < CIA-18> * fix logic in parse-config when overwriting libtool 06:33 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:13 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.37] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:17 -!- mipe [n=mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 08:35 < valentin> moin 09:32 < mipe> hi valentin 09:50 < rxr> re 10:13 < rxr> 895 builds total, 762 completed fine, 133 with errors. 10:13 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-powerpc64-G5-desktop: 10:59 < rxr> valentin: oh - I overoptimized the driver - new release in some minutes++ when I fixed it ... 10:59 < karasz> moin all 10:59 < karasz> Baldzius: sorry, i missed that :( 11:01 < Baldzius> moin karasz 11:01 < Baldzius> np :) 11:02 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 11:03 < rxr> valentin: btw. the latest drivers crash Microsfot Office again :-(( 11:03 < rxr> valentin: a customer says he can only do one scan in Word, later scans crash it (where the backtrace lists our drive - sigh) 11:04 < rxr> valentin: this of course worked in the past, maybe we touch some memory we should not ... 11:04 < rxr> moin karasz and Baldzius 11:04 < Baldzius> hi rxr 11:05 < karasz> hi rxr Baldzius 11:06 < karasz> Baldzius: although konversation has an issue on x86-64 11:06 < karasz> it won't build on that platform 11:07 < karasz> and i dunno if it is just 0.19 or not. 11:07 < rxr> jsaw: maybe we could bring auto fixup to the insane and work some rules and sed patterns that are able to correct known issues such as forgotten errno.h, int vs. long and so on ,-) 11:09 < rxr> so - me booting into the mirror world to release a fixed driver - cu 11:12 < Baldzius> karasz: no clue :( 11:14 < karasz> Baldzius: i know what is wrong, but i dunno how to interpret it 11:15 < karasz> actualy konversation's configure will look for qt libraries in /opt/qt33/lib64 11:15 < karasz> on x86-64 platform 11:15 < karasz> but the libraries are in /opt/qt33/lib even on x86-64 11:19 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 11:20 < karasz> hmm, but i guess that is qt's fault 11:20 < karasz> qt should put it's libs in lib64 on 64 systems 11:21 < Baldzius> karasz: qt should be fixed on trunk i guess 11:22 < karasz> qt_main() { 11:22 < karasz> QTDIR=$PWD 11:22 < karasz> var_insert LD_LIBRARY_PATH ':' "$QTDIR/lib" 11:22 < karasz> qt.conf 11:22 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 11:22 < karasz> i guess that should be replaced with something like: 11:23 < karasz> var_insert LD_LIBRARY_PATH ':' "$QTDIR/$libdir" .... 11:23 < Baldzius> r14891 | jsaw | 2006-01-17 22:59:31 +0000 (Tue, 17 Jan 2006) | 6 lines 11:23 < Baldzius> * set libdir for qt configure 11:23 < Baldzius> -> this means for 64bit archs the libs get correctly 11:23 < Baldzius> installed in lib64 11:23 < Baldzius> * change kde-conf.in accordingly 11:23 < Baldzius> (only partially tested) 11:24 < karasz> my workin' copy is older, i should svn up 11:26 < rxr> re 11:26 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 11:26 < rxr> karasz: that is a but in the qt package 11:26 < karasz> rxr? 11:26 < rxr> in trunk HEAD qt installs into .../qt/lib64 of course ... 11:27 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 11:27 < karasz> yes, i Im an 2.1. and konversation i emerged. You are right rxr 11:31 < karasz> hmmm, I feel like buildin' something, anything that would be usefull? 11:33 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AF995F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 11:39 < karasz> anyone knows why when I select `Fox Toolkit Options` in ./scripts/Configure, i end up in `VNC Options`? 11:44 < rxr> nope ,-) 11:44 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 11:45 < karasz> rxr, the question, in inteligible format is :`Is it a bug, or it is only on my system?` 11:45 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AF80DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:45 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 11:50 < rxr> karasz: guess bug 11:50 < rxr> valentin: who tracks M$ Word crashing with the driver ? 11:56 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 12:06 < rxr> hm 12:06 < rxr> valentin: with this graphic converter application also has some hickups ... 12:06 < rxr> damn 12:08 < rxr> valentin: if you want to have graphic converter, I have a 1-year "full" version on a c't CD .. 12:09 < rxr> though it wants a serial that I do not know where to get from (maybe out of the c't in paper form ... ?) 12:09 < rxr> anyway, aside a 10second delay until one can click try now it works 12:09 < rxr> and unviels some probleme with our driver :-( 12:09 < rxr> M$ Office Mac trial re-downloading - and /me hunting lunch - cu 12:16 < valentin> what is a graphic converter ? 12:39 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:48 < rxr> a program that can convert between some formats (like imagemagick) and aquire images from TWAIN and the like ... 12:53 < Baldzius> jsaw: libtool fails on stage2 :( 12:53 -!- owl [n=owl@Rde79.r.pppool.de] has joined #t2 12:53 < owl> hi 13:00 -!- owl [n=owl@Rde79.r.pppool.de] has quit ["changing server"] 13:01 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has joined #t2 13:04 < rxr> moin owl 13:04 < owl> hi rxr 13:04 < rxr> valentin: ok - word segfault is "trivial" 13:04 < rxr> valentin: /me fixing it ... 13:04 < rxr> though I have no idea why it only happens for the 2nd scan ... 13:05 < rxr> word does have a different function call pattern for the 2nd scan ... 13:09 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BED771.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 13:09 < rxr> oh 13:09 < morfoh> hi folks :) 13:09 < rxr> wtf 13:09 < rxr> valentin: you have a #define for a size of the resolution list ? 13:09 < rxr> valentin: I did not update that when I added more predefined resolutions 13:10 < rxr> would be nice if you could remove this arcane code ... 13:10 < karasz> moin owl, kommrad :) 13:10 < valentin> rxr: there is no such thing as 'constness' in obj-c :( 13:11 < morfoh> karasz: hi tovorish karasz :) 13:11 < morfoh> hi owl :) 13:21 < CIA-18> chris * r15372 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.4 -> 0.9.5) 13:21 < CIA-18> chris * r15373 /trunk/package/security/libpreludedb/libpreludedb.desc: * updated libpreludedb (0.9.3 -> 0.9.4) 13:21 < CIA-18> chris * r15374 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/prelude-manager.desc: * updated prelude-manager (0.9.2 -> 0.9.3) 13:23 < morfoh> rxr: what arch and optimization do I have to check for building a target for a rs6k ? 13:23 < rxr> depends what kind of rs6k 13:23 < rxr> IBM has a whole lot of cruft named like that .. 13:23 < morfoh> owl: what kind of rs6k do you have ? 13:24 < rxr> but usually powerpc for the ISA and then a 6xx CPU should do 13:25 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... thanks :) 13:25 < rxr> what rs6k do you want to build for ? 13:25 < owl> morfoh: where can i see it? 13:27 < morfoh> owl: perhaps rxr can give you a hint ... instead I'd say 1) open your eyes 2) look at the baseplate ;) 13:28 < owl> morfoh: thx. open your eyes helped a lot 13:28 < morfoh> owl: hehe :) 13:28 < owl> ibm rs6000 43p model 150 13:30 < valentin> snowing again over here :) 13:31 < morfoh> valentin: not here anymore ... btw hi :) 13:32 < morfoh> rxr: can you say sth. about owl's rs6k ? 13:33 < karasz> morfoh: T2 related or not ^^ ? 13:33 < morfoh> karasz: yes ... of course :) 13:33 < karasz> if you are interested in config, here you are: http://remarketing.com/product_library/ibm_rs6000/43p-150.shtml 13:34 < karasz> it is a 32 bit PopwerPC cpu 13:34 < owl> hrm. booting from cd would be possibe. too? 13:34 < morfoh> karasz: tovorish ... thanks :) 13:34 < karasz> well, owl booting from cd is possibel, in general 13:35 < karasz> owl, you need a cd drive, a bootable cd and a workin openfirmware 13:36 < owl> karasz: good. everything's there... just one problem i had trying to boot from cd prev. 13:38 < morfoh> but unfortunately I doubt that it will build flawlessly, because most probably 1-glibc will fail 13:38 < morfoh> but let's see ... already rescheduled a fresh cross build 13:39 < rxr> what I wrote above applies 13:40 < rxr> ISA: powerpc, optimizations 603 or so ... 13:40 < rxr> but I do not have bootcode for it 13:40 < karasz> hmm it would be nice to know if that rs6k is ISA or MCA 13:40 < rxr> that is for CDs ... 13:40 < rxr> I have such a generation machien here 13:40 < rxr> but I only hacked yaboot (IIRC) onto it to boot from HD 13:40 < rxr> I tried some days to make a bootable CD but have not found out what bit-pattern it likes to see on the CD 13:41 < rxr> if it can boot from CD at all ... 13:41 < rxr> no idea ... 13:43 < karasz> but owl for that piece i guess bootin from floppy is more easy to do than CD boot 13:44 < owl> karasz: yes. should not be an problem :) 13:45 < karasz> but again, i never saw T2 install with floppy boot 13:45 < owl> sigh 13:51 < karasz> hmmm, looks like debian has done it, at least a network install 13:51 < karasz> http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2002/07/msg00858.html 13:53 < owl> yes. 2002... :) 13:54 < rxr> yeah - for most enterprise stuff netinstall is trivial 13:54 < rxr> I doubt debian has CD install ... ,-) 13:55 < rxr> netinstall means using the usual standards to load the kernel and initrd into the box - that nearly always works 13:55 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.68] has joined #t2 13:56 < karasz> moin mnemoc 13:56 < owl> well.. i tried debilian too... aehm. no, it doesn't work :) 13:56 < mnemoc> hi karasz, owlita 13:57 < owl> hi mnemoc 13:57 < morfoh> moin mnemoc 14:03 < rxr> valentin: you do not yet work on your assigned stuff? 14:03 < rxr> valentin: I did some more changes once again ... 14:03 < mnemoc> moin morfoh, rxr 14:04 < rxr> mon mnemoc 14:04 < rxr> moin even 14:04 < mnemoc> :) 14:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: when will you resume the work at t2's plone? 14:05 < morfoh> hmmm ... as I thought glibc fails on 1-glibc for powerpc 14:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm already working on plone, but not on t2, because we've a meeting tomorrow at the TU 14:06 < mnemoc> good luck 14:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: but if you give some input hints, suggestions, etc ... I can work in parallel on t2 plone too :) 14:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: thx ;) 14:07 < mnemoc> suggestion 1) work as you, not as 'manager' ... so the pages have an owner :) 14:08 < mnemoc> suggestion 2) get a real certificate please 14:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: oink oink :p 14:10 < mnemoc> :) 14:10 < rxr> valentin: I removed creating the MB string via a good old C string, there is a NSString contructor accepting a format string with va_args .... 14:11 < rxr> #t2, now not only Bash and C++, - ObjC help 4u ,-) 14:12 < mnemoc> o_O 14:14 < rxr> valentin: so - my working copy is flushed again 14:15 < rxr> valentin: but I now start trackign this option reread bug as well, because it is happen more often now (maybe due to sane_open/_close) and I want to not ship a driver where I can reproduce it quite often now ... 14:15 < rxr> best I want to have it fixed before 18:00 today and release the .4 version with that fix included 14:24 < mnemoc> http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f69/fieldsofanfieldroad/shower.jpg o_O 14:25 < valentin> rxr: i'll take a look in 20 minutes 14:27 < rxr> yeah - I take a look know - four eyes will catch more bugs sooner ,-) 14:29 * morfoh is wondering how mnemoc is finding such strange content 14:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: #rocklinux :) 14:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... no question anymore :p 14:32 < rxr> mnemoc: hahaha ,-) 14:37 < rxr> .oO 14:38 < rxr> forgot that I did a gcc-4 Deployment build - that was known to not work out 14:38 < rxr> damn 14:38 < rxr> again wasted some minutes ... 14:38 * rxr rebuildign with the set of compiler / backward options we actually ship ... 14:38 < rxr> but all my accumulated fixup made that combination run way further than before ,-) 14:39 < rxr> guess we are ready to ship gcc-4.0 build universal binaries soon 14:41 < rxr> oh - ok, the set of optmizations and compilers we use for deployment does crash the same way notheless ... 14:48 < LMJ> moin moin 14:48 < karasz> hello LMJ 15:05 < morfoh> hi LMJ 15:05 < LMJ> moin karasz & morfoh 15:06 < Baldzius> hi LMJ, morfoh 15:06 < LMJ> hello Baldzius 15:07 < Baldzius> morfoh: do we really need quagga in stage [3] ? 15:07 < morfoh> moin nasty gun boy ... :) 15:07 < Baldzius> :) 15:07 < morfoh> Baldzius: I don't think so ... 15:07 < Baldzius> my gun is nasty not me :P 15:08 < rxr> valentin: my new many crashes appear to come from the new close/open cycle 15:09 < rxr> rereading and reallocating all the options circumvents them 15:09 < morfoh> Baldzius: I doubt that ... without ammo ? ... but you're nasty :p 15:09 < Baldzius> :) 15:10 < valentin> rxr: mom - reallocating all ? what do you mean by that ? 15:15 < rxr> huh 15:16 < rxr> removing the - if (!options_created) { 15:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: can we add 'google adds' to plone? 15:16 < rxr> and reparse / reallocate them all 15:17 < rxr> I commit works for me 15:17 < rxr> but need to be reviewed if it leaks memory 15:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: uhm? I think so ... but why ? 15:19 < mnemoc> morfoh: they pay for it :) 15:20 < morfoh> how do they pay for it ? 15:20 < valentin> rxr: you now that there are multiple instances all murksing around ? 15:20 < valentin> i wonder why this works at all 15:21 < valentin> the user interface will use the same ones anyway 15:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: can I add my bank account somehow ? :p 15:24 < rxr> valentin: where are references kept for those? 15:24 < mnemoc> morfoh: https://www.google.com/adsense/?hl=en_US&sourceid=aso&subid=us-et-ads 15:25 < valentin> rxr: are you available via phone ? 15:25 < rxr> sure 15:25 < valentin> your homezone is busy 15:26 < rxr> busy ? 15:26 < valentin> landline too.. 15:26 < valentin> mom 15:26 < valentin> maybe it is our phone account ? 15:27 < rxr> no - I tied claling my home zone with landline ... 15:27 < rxr> that worked 15:27 < rxr> now both are free again ,-) 15:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: but then we've to change our layout from 2 -> 3 columns I think ... or dou want to show it in the header ? 15:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: there are many many flavors of the bar 15:47 < karasz> cu guys later 15:47 -!- mipe [n=mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["leaving"] 16:05 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:16 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 16:16 < morfoh> wb LMJ ;) 16:16 < LMJ> damned 16:16 < LMJ> i was fighting with something who using my cpu at 100% 16:17 < LMJ> looks like a bogus "top" in a infiinte loop ;) 16:17 < mnemoc> top lives doing an inf. loop 16:18 < LMJ> well 16:18 < LMJ> i should say : infinite& loop ;) 16:18 < LMJ> hello mnemoc 16:18 < LMJ> infinite˛ loop ** 16:19 < mnemoc> :) 16:19 < mnemoc> hi LMJ 16:19 < LMJ> how rxr called you yet the last week 16:19 < LMJ> i forgot 16:19 < LMJ> the dictator or something like this :-D 16:22 < mnemoc> :( 16:23 < LMJ> lmao 16:23 < LMJ> relax 16:23 < mnemoc> i don't feel myself as a dictator :( 16:24 < LMJ> i don't thing too 16:24 < LMJ> just kidding 16:29 < LMJ> anyway 16:29 < LMJ> how are you today mnemoc ? 16:30 < rxr> that was a just a joke anyway ,-) 16:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: pound doesn't like the cert issued by cacert ... 17:07 < rxr> so - my osx work day ends 17:07 < rxr> and hopefully it was the last osx encounter for this weeks ... 17:07 < rxr> week even ,-) 17:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: now it works 17:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: pound likes whatever openssl likes 17:14 < mnemoc> morfoh: you just need to add the hashes 17:14 < mnemoc> LMJ: stressed as hell :) 17:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... I know ... the .pem was corrupted 17:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: are the 6 month common for expiration of cacert certs ? 17:29 < mnemoc> i don't remember... but there is a FAQ :) 17:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: hopefully you're happy now ... :p 17:37 < mnemoc> we should include cacert's .pem by default on openssl package 17:43 < LMJ> hello back 17:43 < mnemoc> hi LMJ 17:57 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178182099.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:57 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 17:57 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006] 17:57 [Users #t2] 17:57 [@ChanServ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sepp ] 17:57 [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 17:57 [ CIA-18 ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ _Ragnar_] 17:57 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 17:57 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 17:57 < mnemoc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215243 <-- morfoh 17:57 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 41 secs 18:12 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178131149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack 18:41 < owl> gnarf. where the helll.......? 18:46 < morfoh> owl ? 18:46 < owl> morfoh: this fsccking dumb ugly like hell damned shit thing called variable 18:46 < owl> the person who wrote this code should be shot ASAP 18:47 < morfoh> owl: ask Baldzius to shoot him or her ... :) 18:47 < owl> morfoh: why? :) 18:48 < Baldzius> :) 18:48 < owl> hi Baldzius . interested in shooting someone :)= 18:48 < morfoh> owl: he is the gun boy ... even a nasty one :) 18:48 < owl> hehe 18:48 < Baldzius> hi owl :) 18:48 < Baldzius> heh 18:49 < rxr_> re 18:49 < rxr_> hi 18:49 -!- You're now known as rxr 18:49 < Baldzius> wb rxr 18:49 < owl> huhu rxr 18:50 < rxr> *wink* owl 18:50 < rxr> owl: what code are you ranting about? xt:commerce ? 18:50 < owl> rxr: nah, oscommerce :) 18:51 < rxr> owl: thats the same ugly crap - just in blue instead of red ... 18:52 < morfoh> owl: look ... isn't he looking dangerous ? -> http://www.frappr.com/?a=myfrappr&id=210613 18:52 < owl> rxr: ack :) 18:52 < owl> morfoh: bwahwhahahahaha. no :) 18:55 < rxr> lol 18:55 < rxr> big paste: 18:56 < rxr> Origin of the word "dither" 18:56 < rxr> From Ken Pohlmann?s "Principles of Digital Audio," 4th edition, page 46: 18:56 < rxr> "...one of the earliest uses of dither came in World War II. Airplane bombers used mechanical computers to perform navigation and bomb trajectory calculations. Curiously, these computers (boxes filled with hundreds of gears and cogs) performed more accurately when flying on board the aircraft, and less well on ground. Engineers realized that the vibration from the aircraft reduced the error from sticky moving parts. Instead of moving in short jerks, they moved more continuously. Small vibrating motors were built into the computers, and their vibration was called 'dither' from the Middle English verb 'didderen,' meaning 'to tremble.' Today, when you tap a mechanical meter to increase its accuracy, you are applying dither, and modern dictionaries define 'dither' as 'a highly nervous, confused, or agitated state.' In minute quantities, dither successfully makes a digitization system a little more analog in the good sense of the word." 18:56 < rxr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dithering 18:56 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 19:45 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p83.129.180.193.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 19:50 * mnemoc returning after a failed installation of azazel@2.2 :( 19:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: you never told me init.d/system was missing! 19:51 < morfoh> mnemoc: uhm ? 19:52 < mnemoc> usr/bin/touch <--- touch misslocated 19:53 < karasz> re 19:54 < morfoh> wb karasz 19:54 < mnemoc> wb karasz 19:54 < karasz> hello Baldzius jsaw LMJ mnemoc owl rxr sepp valentin 19:54 < karasz> kommrad ;) 19:54 < karasz> thx mnemoc morfoh 19:54 < LMJ> ola karasz 19:54 < mnemoc> yuck yuck yuck morfoh: package/base/sysvinit/system.init 19:55 < karasz> bonsoir LMJ 19:57 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p83.129.191.82.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:57 < mnemoc> r14524 | rene | 2006-01-05 09:43:27 -0300 (Thu, 05 Jan 2006) | 3 lines 19:57 < mnemoc> * moved the system.init from sysfiles into sysvinit sinc eit is highly 19:57 < mnemoc> sysvinit specific and can easily be updated this way thru Emerge 19:58 < mnemoc> but yes, it's sysvinit specific, and i use it ilegally with runit 20:02 < rxr> heheh 20:02 < mnemoc> :) 20:03 < jsaw> re 20:03 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15375 /trunk/package/base/libtool/libtool.desc: * stage 2 is too early, -> stage 3 20:03 < jsaw> Baldzius: --^ 20:08 < CIA-18> amery * r15376 /trunk/package/base/runit/runit.conf: * changed runit to install system.init from sysvinit, which was moved from sysfiles at r14524 20:10 < CIA-18> amery * r15377 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone_mod_install.sh: * fixed LVM support at `stone install` 20:18 < Baldzius> jsaw: ack 20:18 < Baldzius> but i added perl & automake to [2] and ref build passed 20:18 < jsaw> oh 20:18 < Baldzius> locally 20:18 < jsaw> that's maybe even better? 20:18 < jsaw> rxr: ? 20:18 < Baldzius> dunno 20:19 < Baldzius> all works 20:22 < jsaw> hmmm, flist still has all files (when using mine's -x opt) 20:23 < rxr> hm ? 20:23 < jsaw> -x glob to execlude files from installation 20:23 < rxr> nah - leave it in 3 20:24 < rxr> 2 is only rebuilding vital stuff to be sure ... 20:24 < jsaw> ah, that u meant 20:24 < jsaw> ok, good 20:24 < rxr> those will be gone hopefully sooner than later anyway 20:25 < jsaw> rxr: was it okay to add echo_warning ? 20:27 < rxr> oeh 20:27 < CIA-18> rene * r15378 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 20:27 < CIA-18> * moved 60-hotplug.rules into hotplug++ as 60-hotplug++.rules and 20:27 < CIA-18> install conditionally if udev is available 20:27 < jsaw> rxr: :) 20:27 < CIA-18> rene * r15379 /trunk/package/base/hal/ (70-hal.rules hal.conf): 20:27 < CIA-18> * added a 70-hal.rules to hall and install it conditionally if udev 20:27 < CIA-18> is available (untested, but should work) 20:28 < rxr> jsaw: which echo_warning ? 20:28 < rxr> valentin: I added code for a quite advanced (seems to be even better than floyd steinberg) dither to exact image 20:28 < jsaw> due to the many error messages from libtool-fixup... I added echo_warning to misc/output/* 20:28 < jsaw> and changed libtool-fixup to use it 20:29 < jsaw> ${yellow}*>${normal} $message 20:29 < rxr> valentin: I need to rewrite the code and test a bit before I commit - but I want to use exact-image inside the mac driver then for the preview convertion (to have the code as advanced as possible in one place) and later we can add my virtual rescan stuff to the mac driver if someone is willing to pay it ... 20:29 < rxr> jsaw: ah 20:29 < rxr> jsaw: shoudl be fine 20:30 < rxr> maybe convert linux24/linux24.conf as well ? 20:30 < rxr> the 3rd party module failed thing ... 20:30 < rxr> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~chuck/lennapg/lena_std.tif 20:30 < jsaw> oh, yeah, why not? 20:30 < rxr> ^- is this image in the public domain already and I can savely add it to my GPL code's testsuite ? 20:30 < mnemoc> rxr: can that be optional? the 3rd party module failed thing ... 20:31 < jsaw> mnemoc: ? 20:31 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, let's change this to only be relaxed in stage9, right 20:31 < rxr> and fail in any other before ... 20:31 < mnemoc> ACK 20:32 < mnemoc> jsaw: the feature, not the echo_warning :) 20:32 < jsaw> yeah 20:33 < jsaw> so, nice, using vserver guest installation with mine -x saves a lot of space 20:34 < mnemoc> :) 20:34 < jsaw> (working on an vserver guest installer...) 20:34 < rxr> jsaw: I do the linux thing 20:34 < mnemoc> :D 20:35 < jsaw> rxr: good, I would have to learn the code first... ;) 20:35 < rxr> any comments to lenna ? 20:35 < jsaw> I have no idea, doesn't it carry some watermark? 20:36 < jsaw> mnemoc: test install of base parts dropped from some 200M to 64M now (with glibc I have to add) 20:37 < jsaw> s/with glibc I have to add/with glibc I should mention/ 20:37 < mnemoc> :) 20:37 < jsaw> mnemoc: so now, post-corrections... 20:38 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFD903.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 20:38 < mnemoc> wb nzg 20:39 < sepp_> rxr: that is a old playboy photo ... 20:40 < nzg> moin 20:40 < nzg> thx mnemoc 20:40 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 20:44 < rxr> sepp: I know 20:44 < rxr> sepp: used in image processing testing since the dark ages ... 20:45 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:46 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has joined #t2 20:47 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has quit [Client Quit] 20:47 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has joined #t2 20:47 -!- owl is now known as owl666 20:47 < CIA-18> rene * r15380 /trunk/ (package/base/linux24/linux24.conf scripts/functions.in): 20:47 < CIA-18> * made the build_package code more generic by not printing or 20:47 < CIA-18> hiding anything and properly return the build result status 20:47 < CIA-18> * changed linux24.conf to itself print the warning for failed 20:47 < CIA-18> modules and whether to abort the package build thereafter 20:47 < CIA-18> (pre stage 9 / manual builds) 20:47 < rxr> ^- untested I shoudl have add 20:48 < sepp> rxr: ;) - but copyright in the us does not expire as long as disney exists ... 20:48 -!- owl666 is now known as owl 20:52 < rxr> http://sipi.usc.edu/services/database/database.cgi?volume=misc&image=12#top 20:52 < rxr> it is available in the original lab database or so 20:53 < rxr> I could still wget the image in a make check ,-) 21:00 < rxr> so - late dinner - cu then 21:00 < rxr> btw. changes are beeing tested with 2.6.16-rc2-mm1 ... 21:02 < morfoh> rxr: btw, is there any outstanding commit for dietlibc on your box ? 21:03 < morfoh> usr/d 21:03 < morfoh> !> ietlibc/include/sys/syscall.h:4:24: error: asm/unistd.h: No such file or dire 21:03 < morfoh> !> ctory 21:03 < morfoh> !> Due to previous errors, no 1-udev.log file! 21:21 < LMJ> we spoke here irrc about ampache a day, but who was the other guy who speak with me about that ? 21:22 < morfoh> LMJ: it was stelz I think ... long time not seen him 21:23 < LMJ> maybe, i can't remenber correctly who was the guy, but he told us something else then ampache, i can't remenber the name 21:24 < morfoh> LMJ: dunno ... did you greped the irc logs ? 21:24 < LMJ> hum, could be fun 21:24 < LMJ> where i can find them ? 21:25 < morfoh> http://t2-project.org/irclogs/ 21:25 < rxr> http://www .. 21:25 < rxr> ouhm 21:25 < rxr> m. was faster ... ,-) 21:25 < morfoh> :) 21:25 < LMJ> wow 21:26 < LMJ> a little search engine would be welcome ;) 21:26 < rxr> google :site www.... 21:27 < LMJ> i'm doing the pig ;) 21:28 < morfoh> rxr: dietlibc's syscall.h is including asm/unistd.h, it is located 21:28 < LMJ> DownThemAll firefox plugin -> download *.html 21:28 < morfoh> [#t2] h is including asm/unistd.h, it is located 21:28 < morfoh> wtf ... wrong pasted 21:28 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/69423 21:28 < morfoh> /usr/dietlibc/include/unistd.h 21:28 < rxr> USB gov. vorbid transmeta selling to the chinese company ... 21:28 < rxr> morfoh: I do not have a patch outstanding I think 21:29 < rxr> morfoh: what combination is not building ? 21:29 < morfoh> rxr: did sth. leaked in ? 21:29 < morfoh> udev is not building anymore 21:29 < rxr> morfoh: everything else builds ? 21:30 < morfoh> dunno ... I just rescheduled udev ... 21:37 < rxr> thos parents of Tron are just annoying 21:38 < CIA-18> aldas * r15381 /trunk/package/xfce4/libexo/libexo.desc: * updated libexo (0.3.0 -> 0.3.1.2alpha-r19548) 21:38 < rxr> I'm sure Tron would rather find it welcome to have his crypto phone and myteroius deth in wikipedia than the f*ck his parents are doing about it right now ... 21:39 < rxr> Enlightenment 0.16.8 (now known simply as 'E16' 21:39 < rxr> ) 21:39 < CIA-18> aldas * r15382 /trunk/package/xfce4/thunar/thunar.desc: * updated thunar (0.1.3svn-r00141 -> 0.2.0alpha-r19548) 21:40 < rxr> so - n8 all 21:40 < karasz> gn rxr 21:40 < morfoh> rxr: perhaps this has sth. todo with a book ... wasn't there a book about tron that will be published soon ? 21:40 < morfoh> rxr: gn8 21:41 < rxr> morfoh: no idea 21:41 < mnemoc> Baldzius: does Terminal build with that new libexo? 21:41 < rxr> there already have been around two 21:41 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 21:41 < rxr> and I doubt anyone would be intersted to re-read yet another variant ... 21:41 < rxr> 21:41 < Baldzius> menmoc: oops, but thunar does 21:41 < mnemoc> :) 21:42 < Baldzius> mnemoc* :) 21:42 < mnemoc> Baldzius: i think you will need to update to Terminal-r19548 too 21:42 < Baldzius> hm i tried to fix thunar :) 21:43 < Baldzius> mnemoc: ok , thanks & sorry :) 21:43 < mnemoc> Baldzius: don't be sorry, but update Terminal ,-) 21:44 < Baldzius> with pleasure :) 21:44 < mnemoc> *G* 21:45 < Baldzius> i know you call me double-nasty-boy now :) 21:45 < mnemoc> if Terminal doesn't build i'll do :) 21:45 < mnemoc> but i'll not test today 21:46 * Baldzius is praying ... 21:48 < CIA-18> aldas * r15383 /trunk/package/x11/emelfm2/emelfm2.desc: * increased emelfm2 build priority 21:51 < LMJ> nice emelfm2 :-d 21:55 < mnemoc> .oO( who maintain that packagE? )o 21:56 < LMJ> this package is maitained ? 21:59 < mnemoc> by a french afaik 22:01 < sepp> a french mole :) 22:07 < LMJ> notice sepp just wake up for flamewar or bad jokes ;) 22:08 < mnemoc> hehe 22:09 < sepp> :) 22:10 < CIA-18> amery * r15384 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone_mod_general.sh: * enhanced `stone general` to have a shortcut to just keep current values for timezone, locale, vcfont and keymap 22:12 < CIA-18> amery * r15385 /trunk/package/base/coreutils/coreutils.conf: * changed coreutils to install `touch` at /bin - needed by runit/1 22:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: is the recent udev building for you ? 22:15 < _Ragnar_> yes 22:15 < _Ragnar_> == 13:59:40 =[1]=> Building filesystem/udev [083 2.2.0-alpha]. 22:15 < _Ragnar_> == 02/09/06 14:00:04 =[1]=> Finished building package udev. 22:15 < mnemoc> 083? yes 22:15 < mnemoc> 084... i wont try to update that :D 22:17 < morfoh> strange ... it is failing here badly here... :/ 22:36 < morfoh> .oO( guess I just have sh*t on my hands )o ... hotplug++ is failing too ... .oO( where is da b*mb )o 22:37 < mnemoc> o_O 22:37 < mnemoc> does udev make symlink for block devices or always nodes? 22:42 < CIA-18> amery * r15386 /trunk/package/x86/lilo/stone_mod_lilo.sh: * fixed `stone lilo` to generate lilo.conf with initrd and a better bootdev 23:09 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFD903.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:09 < morfoh> f* ... I'll reschedule my whole build 23:12 < morfoh> I think r15378 was just tested on stage 9 23:17 < morfoh> either we're changing the prio of udev before hotplug or we've to check additionally for the stagelevel 23:26 < morfoh> jsaw: I guess we can safely increase the prio of hotplug++ to be build after udev ... or do you see any problems ? 23:28 < jsaw> morfoh: nope 23:28 < morfoh> good 23:35 < CIA-18> chris * r15387 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/hotplug++.desc: * changed the build priority of hotplug++ (102.040 -> 187.600) to be build after udev, which is necessary due to the changes in r15378. Otherwise it will fail badly in stage 1 --- Log closed Fri Feb 10 00:00:59 2006