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00:00 < karasz> O_o
00:00 < karasz> `The present Fon is Sehm Mbinglo III. Young and dynamic, he has reinforced traditional authority and the respect for human dignity despite the pressures of the modern world.`
00:00 < karasz> despite?????
00:02 < karasz> err.... how much is a ticket to .cm ?
00:04 < morfoh> from B. about 700 Euro
00:05 < morfoh> karasz: wann join me on a visit some day ?
00:05 < karasz> `the respect for human dignity` morfoh count me in too ;)
00:05 < karasz> morfoh: yes.
00:09 < morfoh> but we've to go there before the international wood companies destroyed the most of the rain forest
00:09 < morfoh> it's a pitty :(
00:09 < karasz> fuul ack
00:10 < karasz> here local wood companies did a pretty good job on their own...
00:11 < morfoh> yeah ... I think romania had a lot of forest ... or am I wrong ?
00:11 < karasz> no, you are very right
00:11 < karasz> emphasys is on _had_
00:11 < karasz> in 16 years 45% is gone :(
00:13 < morfoh> :(
00:13 < karasz> i saw entire mountains without trees, it was mind blowin'
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00:15 < morfoh> yeah ... about 5 years ago in cameroon the trucks had to go for about 2h to pickup the wood ... now they have drive 2 days
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00:30 < mnemoc> rehi
00:30 < morfoh> wb mnemoc :)
00:31 < mnemoc> thx mofoh
00:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: already installing mnemosyne 2.2 using qemu ... to find the reason for the "touch" problem
00:33 < karasz> hi mnemoc
00:33 < owl> you guys did nice work...
00:33 < owl> *looking at t2-sourcecode*
00:34 < morfoh> owl: what are you looking at specifically ?
00:34 < morfoh> owl: btw ... hi :)
00:34 < owl> morfoh: the scripts, package-dirs etc. till now
00:34 < owl> hi morfoh :)
00:34 < owl> hi #t2 ;)
00:35 < mnemoc> hi owlita
00:35 < owl> hi mnemoc ;)
00:35 < morfoh> .oO( damn ... installing on a virtual HD in qemu is not really fast)o
00:36 < owl> morfoh: hahahaha. ack.
00:36 < morfoh> owl: do you know a tweak for speeding up ?
00:36 < owl> morfoh: nah, sorry. no clue
00:36 < karasz> morfoh: silicon ;)
00:37 < morfoh> karasz: I feared that :p
00:37 < karasz> :D
00:37 < owl> silicon? O_O
00:37 * mnemoc don't get it
00:37 < morfoh> owlita owlita
00:38 * morfoh is shaking his head
00:38 < owl> morfoh: ? :)
00:38 < morfoh> owl: you know what I wanted to say ;)
00:39 < owl> morfoh: today? :)
00:39 < karasz> method 1. fill pc with silicon, will not run faster but sure will look funier
00:39 < morfoh> owl: there is no better day than today ? :)
00:39 < karasz> method 2. use silicon based processors instead quemu
00:40 < owl> morfoh: it is. i am half asleep or so
00:40 < morfoh> karasz: give me your IBM server :p
00:40 < karasz> morfoh: querry :D
00:41 < morfoh> what query ?
00:42 < morfoh> owl: why are you half asleep ? how can I wake you up ?
00:42 < mnemoc> :)
00:42 < owl> oh. there's still my minimal+x template? O_O
00:42 < mnemoc> karasz: how is your qmail going?
00:42 < karasz> mnemoc: do not ask :D
00:42 < mnemoc> owl: on t2 trunk works nice... on 2.1 it's broken :\
00:42 < mnemoc> karasz: ok :)
00:42 < karasz> :D
00:42 < karasz> thanks
00:43 < owl> mnemoc: hrm :) .oO( do i want to have a look? :)
00:43 < morfoh> btw ... today I asked at a Sun and IBM partner here in the same house, if he has a IBM sSeries for testing :p
00:44 < morfoh> owl: go and fix it on 2.1 and you're becoming awake :)
00:44 < karasz> mnemoc: i fear to say that, but i think it is workin'
00:44 < owl> morfoh: 2.1.1?
00:45 < morfoh> branches/2.1-test most probably ;)
00:45 < morfoh> ^ owl
00:45 < owl> ah. ok
00:47 < mnemoc> you are also welcomed to try t2 2.2, modular X rules ,-)
00:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: are you running mnemosyne on 2.2 yet ?
00:47 < morfoh> using mod. X ?
00:48 < mnemoc> morfoh: i'm downloading a new azazel iso... but don't ruin my PR!
00:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: you were talking not specifally about mnemosyne :p
00:49 < owl> btw, what about the ISOs for my ibm rs6k?
00:50 < morfoh> and I guess the sysvinit based systems shoukd work
00:50 < morfoh> at least I saw some impressive screenshots from our "Sepperl" ;)
00:51 < morfoh> owl: what ISO's ?
00:52 < owl> morfoh: well. i've asked if there are ISOs etc. available (which are working) for an ibm rs6k
00:53 < morfoh> owl: try to build some ... even better to stay awake ;)
00:53 * morfoh hides
00:53 < owl> morfoh: *kick*
00:53 < mnemoc> owl: i only have intel hardware
00:54 * morfoh is not here ... owl you missed me :p
00:54 < owl> aeh, waht about crosscompile between different archs?
00:54 < madtux> oh my .... if its the amazing owl..
00:54 < owl> *g*
00:54 < owl> hi madtux :) why amazing owl?
00:54 < morfoh> owl: check it out ;)
00:54 < madtux> hi -=[ owlita ]=-
00:54 < owl> hrm. :)
00:55 < madtux> owl, cause u are simply amazing in all possible ways to me.
00:55 < owl> madtux: thx a lot. *bow*
00:55 < madtux> you are very welcome. *hug*
00:57 < morfoh> madtux: haven't seen you bootlickin' yet :p
00:57 < owl> madtux: thx *rehug*
00:57 < morfoh> madtux: but it is nice to see that you can behave well
00:57 < morfoh> :)
00:58 < morfoh> .oO( guess I'll be burned soon by that pyromaniac )o
00:58 * morfoh wears his asbestos suite
00:59 < owl> lol :)
01:13 < karasz> brb, gotta test smth
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01:16 < karasz> back
01:16 < karasz> so, updated konversation, but
01:17 < karasz> konversation build looks for qt libs in /opt/qt33/lib64, instead of /opt/qt33/lib
01:17 < karasz> any ideeas?
01:19 < karasz> morfoh: ?
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01:37 < karasz> I guess tha will be all for today
01:37 < karasz> cu guys tommorow
01:38 < karasz> bye
03:43 < CIA-18> amery * r15370 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone_mod_install.sh: * fixed lvm support on `stone install`
04:01 < morfoh> hehe :)
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06:21 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15371 /trunk/package/base/libtool/ (libtool.desc parse-config):
06:21 < CIA-18> * add libtool to stage 2
06:21 < CIA-18> * fix logic in parse-config when overwriting libtool
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08:35 < valentin> moin
09:32 < mipe> hi valentin
09:50 < rxr> re
10:13 < rxr> 895 builds total, 762 completed fine, 133 with errors.
10:13 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-powerpc64-G5-desktop:
10:59 < rxr> valentin: oh - I overoptimized the driver - new release in some minutes++ when I fixed it ...
10:59 < karasz> moin all
10:59 < karasz> Baldzius: sorry, i missed that :(
11:01 < Baldzius> moin karasz
11:01 < Baldzius> np :)
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11:03 < rxr> valentin: btw. the latest drivers crash Microsfot Office again :-((
11:03 < rxr> valentin: a customer says he can only do one scan in Word, later scans crash it (where the backtrace lists our drive - sigh)
11:04 < rxr> valentin: this of course worked in the past, maybe we touch some memory we should not ...
11:04 < rxr> moin karasz and Baldzius
11:04 < Baldzius> hi rxr
11:05 < karasz> hi rxr Baldzius
11:06 < karasz> Baldzius: although konversation has an issue on x86-64
11:06 < karasz> it won't build on that platform
11:07 < karasz> and i dunno if it is just 0.19 or not.
11:07 < rxr> jsaw: maybe we could bring auto fixup to the insane and work some rules and sed patterns that are able to correct known issues such as forgotten errno.h, int vs. long and so on ,-)
11:09 < rxr> so - me booting into the mirror world to release a fixed driver - cu
11:12 < Baldzius> karasz: no clue :(
11:14 < karasz> Baldzius: i know what is wrong, but i dunno how to interpret it
11:15 < karasz> actualy konversation's configure will look for qt libraries in /opt/qt33/lib64
11:15 < karasz> on x86-64 platform
11:15 < karasz> but the libraries are in /opt/qt33/lib even on x86-64
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11:20 < karasz> hmm, but i guess that is qt's fault
11:20 < karasz> qt should put it's libs in lib64 on 64 systems
11:21 < Baldzius> karasz: qt should be fixed on trunk i guess
11:22 < karasz> qt_main() {
11:22 < karasz> QTDIR=$PWD
11:22 < karasz> var_insert LD_LIBRARY_PATH ':' "$QTDIR/lib"
11:22 < karasz> qt.conf
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11:22 < karasz> i guess that should be replaced with something like:
11:23 < karasz> var_insert LD_LIBRARY_PATH ':' "$QTDIR/$libdir" ....
11:23 < Baldzius> r14891 | jsaw | 2006-01-17 22:59:31 +0000 (Tue, 17 Jan 2006) | 6 lines
11:23 < Baldzius> * set libdir for qt configure
11:23 < Baldzius> -> this means for 64bit archs the libs get correctly
11:23 < Baldzius> installed in lib64
11:23 < Baldzius> * change kde-conf.in accordingly
11:23 < Baldzius> (only partially tested)
11:24 < karasz> my workin' copy is older, i should svn up
11:26 < rxr> re
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11:26 < rxr> karasz: that is a but in the qt package
11:26 < karasz> rxr?
11:26 < rxr> in trunk HEAD qt installs into .../qt/lib64 of course ...
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11:27 < karasz> yes, i Im an 2.1. and konversation i emerged. You are right rxr
11:31 < karasz> hmmm, I feel like buildin' something, anything that would be usefull?
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11:39 < karasz> anyone knows why when I select `Fox Toolkit Options` in ./scripts/Configure, i end up in `VNC Options`?
11:44 < rxr> nope ,-)
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11:45 < karasz> rxr, the question, in inteligible format is :`Is it a bug, or it is only on my system?`
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11:50 < rxr> karasz: guess bug
11:50 < rxr> valentin: who tracks M$ Word crashing with the driver ?
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12:06 < rxr> hm
12:06 < rxr> valentin: with this graphic converter application also has some hickups ...
12:06 < rxr> damn
12:08 < rxr> valentin: if you want to have graphic converter, I have a 1-year "full" version on a c't CD ..
12:09 < rxr> though it wants a serial that I do not know where to get from (maybe out of the c't in paper form ... ?)
12:09 < rxr> anyway, aside a 10second delay until one can click try now it works
12:09 < rxr> and unviels some probleme with our driver :-(
12:09 < rxr> M$ Office Mac trial re-downloading - and /me hunting lunch - cu
12:16 < valentin> what is a graphic converter ?
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12:48 < rxr> a program that can convert between some formats (like imagemagick) and aquire images from TWAIN and the like ...
12:53 < Baldzius> jsaw: libtool fails on stage2 :(
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12:53 < owl> hi
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13:04 < rxr> moin owl
13:04 < owl> hi rxr
13:04 < rxr> valentin: ok - word segfault is "trivial"
13:04 < rxr> valentin: /me fixing it ...
13:04 < rxr> though I have no idea why it only happens for the 2nd scan ...
13:05 < rxr> word does have a different function call pattern for the 2nd scan ...
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13:09 < rxr> oh
13:09 < morfoh> hi folks :)
13:09 < rxr> wtf
13:09 < rxr> valentin: you have a #define for a size of the resolution list ?
13:09 < rxr> valentin: I did not update that when I added more predefined resolutions
13:10 < rxr> would be nice if you could remove this arcane code ...
13:10 < karasz> moin owl, kommrad :)
13:10 < valentin> rxr: there is no such thing as 'constness' in obj-c :(
13:11 < morfoh> karasz: hi tovorish karasz :)
13:11 < morfoh> hi owl :)
13:21 < CIA-18> chris * r15372 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.4 -> 0.9.5)
13:21 < CIA-18> chris * r15373 /trunk/package/security/libpreludedb/libpreludedb.desc: * updated libpreludedb (0.9.3 -> 0.9.4)
13:21 < CIA-18> chris * r15374 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/prelude-manager.desc: * updated prelude-manager (0.9.2 -> 0.9.3)
13:23 < morfoh> rxr: what arch and optimization do I have to check for building a target for a rs6k ?
13:23 < rxr> depends what kind of rs6k
13:23 < rxr> IBM has a whole lot of cruft named like that ..
13:23 < morfoh> owl: what kind of rs6k do you have ?
13:24 < rxr> but usually powerpc for the ISA and then a 6xx CPU should do
13:25 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... thanks :)
13:25 < rxr> what rs6k do you want to build for ?
13:25 < owl> morfoh: where can i see it?
13:27 < morfoh> owl: perhaps rxr can give you a hint ... instead I'd say 1) open your eyes 2) look at the baseplate ;)
13:28 < owl> morfoh: thx. open your eyes helped a lot
13:28 < morfoh> owl: hehe :)
13:28 < owl> ibm rs6000 43p model 150
13:30 < valentin> snowing again over here :)
13:31 < morfoh> valentin: not here anymore ... btw hi :)
13:32 < morfoh> rxr: can you say sth. about owl's rs6k ?
13:33 < karasz> morfoh: T2 related or not ^^ ?
13:33 < morfoh> karasz: yes ... of course :)
13:33 < karasz> if you are interested in config, here you are: http://remarketing.com/product_library/ibm_rs6000/43p-150.shtml
13:34 < karasz> it is a 32 bit PopwerPC cpu
13:34 < owl> hrm. booting from cd would be possibe. too?
13:34 < morfoh> karasz: tovorish ... thanks :)
13:34 < karasz> well, owl booting from cd is possibel, in general
13:35 < karasz> owl, you need a cd drive, a bootable cd and a workin openfirmware
13:36 < owl> karasz: good. everything's there... just one problem i had trying to boot from cd prev.
13:38 < morfoh> but unfortunately I doubt that it will build flawlessly, because most probably 1-glibc will fail
13:38 < morfoh> but let's see ... already rescheduled a fresh cross build
13:39 < rxr> what I wrote above applies
13:40 < rxr> ISA: powerpc, optimizations 603 or so ...
13:40 < rxr> but I do not have bootcode for it
13:40 < karasz> hmm it would be nice to know if that rs6k is ISA or MCA
13:40 < rxr> that is for CDs ...
13:40 < rxr> I have such a generation machien here
13:40 < rxr> but I only hacked yaboot (IIRC) onto it to boot from HD
13:40 < rxr> I tried some days to make a bootable CD but have not found out what bit-pattern it likes to see on the CD
13:41 < rxr> if it can boot from CD at all ...
13:41 < rxr> no idea ...
13:43 < karasz> but owl for that piece i guess bootin from floppy is more easy to do than CD boot
13:44 < owl> karasz: yes. should not be an problem :)
13:45 < karasz> but again, i never saw T2 install with floppy boot
13:45 < owl> sigh
13:51 < karasz> hmmm, looks like debian has done it, at least a network install
13:51 < karasz> http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2002/07/msg00858.html
13:53 < owl> yes. 2002... :)
13:54 < rxr> yeah - for most enterprise stuff netinstall is trivial
13:54 < rxr> I doubt debian has CD install ... ,-)
13:55 < rxr> netinstall means using the usual standards to load the kernel and initrd into the box - that nearly always works
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13:56 < karasz> moin mnemoc
13:56 < owl> well.. i tried debilian too... aehm. no, it doesn't work :)
13:56 < mnemoc> hi karasz, owlita
13:57 < owl> hi mnemoc
13:57 < morfoh> moin mnemoc
14:03 < rxr> valentin: you do not yet work on your assigned stuff?
14:03 < rxr> valentin: I did some more changes once again ...
14:03 < mnemoc> moin morfoh, rxr
14:04 < rxr> mon mnemoc
14:04 < rxr> moin even
14:04 < mnemoc> :)
14:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: when will you resume the work at t2's plone?
14:05 < morfoh> hmmm ... as I thought glibc fails on 1-glibc for powerpc
14:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm already working on plone, but not on t2, because we've a meeting tomorrow at the TU
14:06 < mnemoc> good luck
14:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: but if you give some input hints, suggestions, etc ... I can work in parallel on t2 plone too :)
14:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: thx ;)
14:07 < mnemoc> suggestion 1) work as you, not as 'manager' ... so the pages have an owner :)
14:08 < mnemoc> suggestion 2) get a real certificate please
14:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: oink oink :p
14:10 < mnemoc> :)
14:10 < rxr> valentin: I removed creating the MB string via a good old C string, there is a NSString contructor accepting a format string with va_args ....
14:11 < rxr> #t2, now not only Bash and C++, - ObjC help 4u ,-)
14:12 < mnemoc> o_O
14:14 < rxr> valentin: so - my working copy is flushed again
14:15 < rxr> valentin: but I now start trackign this option reread bug as well, because it is happen more often now (maybe due to sane_open/_close) and I want to not ship a driver where I can reproduce it quite often now ...
14:15 < rxr> best I want to have it fixed before 18:00 today and release the .4 version with that fix included
14:24 < mnemoc> http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f69/fieldsofanfieldroad/shower.jpg o_O
14:25 < valentin> rxr: i'll take a look in 20 minutes
14:27 < rxr> yeah - I take a look know - four eyes will catch more bugs sooner ,-)
14:29 * morfoh is wondering how mnemoc is finding such strange content
14:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: #rocklinux :)
14:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... no question anymore :p
14:32 < rxr> mnemoc: hahaha ,-)
14:37 < rxr> .oO
14:38 < rxr> forgot that I did a gcc-4 Deployment build - that was known to not work out
14:38 < rxr> damn
14:38 < rxr> again wasted some minutes ...
14:38 * rxr rebuildign with the set of compiler / backward options we actually ship ...
14:38 < rxr> but all my accumulated fixup made that combination run way further than before ,-)
14:39 < rxr> guess we are ready to ship gcc-4.0 build universal binaries soon
14:41 < rxr> oh - ok, the set of optmizations and compilers we use for deployment does crash the same way notheless ...
14:48 < LMJ> moin moin
14:48 < karasz> hello LMJ
15:05 < morfoh> hi LMJ
15:05 < LMJ> moin karasz & morfoh
15:06 < Baldzius> hi LMJ, morfoh
15:06 < LMJ> hello Baldzius
15:07 < Baldzius> morfoh: do we really need quagga in stage [3] ?
15:07 < morfoh> moin nasty gun boy ... :)
15:07 < Baldzius> :)
15:07 < morfoh> Baldzius: I don't think so ...
15:07 < Baldzius> my gun is nasty not me :P
15:08 < rxr> valentin: my new many crashes appear to come from the new close/open cycle
15:09 < rxr> rereading and reallocating all the options circumvents them
15:09 < morfoh> Baldzius: I doubt that ... without ammo ? ... but you're nasty :p
15:09 < Baldzius> :)
15:10 < valentin> rxr: mom - reallocating all ? what do you mean by that ?
15:15 < rxr> huh
15:16 < rxr> removing the - if (!options_created) {
15:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: can we add 'google adds' to plone?
15:16 < rxr> and reparse / reallocate them all
15:17 < rxr> I commit works for me
15:17 < rxr> but need to be reviewed if it leaks memory
15:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: uhm? I think so ... but why ?
15:19 < mnemoc> morfoh: they pay for it :)
15:20 < morfoh> how do they pay for it ?
15:20 < valentin> rxr: you now that there are multiple instances all murksing around ?
15:20 < valentin> i wonder why this works at all
15:21 < valentin> the user interface will use the same ones anyway
15:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: can I add my bank account somehow ? :p
15:24 < rxr> valentin: where are references kept for those?
15:24 < mnemoc> morfoh: https://www.google.com/adsense/?hl=en_US&sourceid=aso&subid=us-et-ads
15:25 < valentin> rxr: are you available via phone ?
15:25 < rxr> sure
15:25 < valentin> your homezone is busy
15:26 < rxr> busy ?
15:26 < valentin> landline too..
15:26 < valentin> mom
15:26 < valentin> maybe it is our phone account ?
15:27 < rxr> no - I tied claling my home zone with landline ...
15:27 < rxr> that worked
15:27 < rxr> now both are free again ,-)
15:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: but then we've to change our layout from 2 -> 3 columns I think ... or dou want to show it in the header ?
15:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: there are many many flavors of the bar
15:47 < karasz> cu guys later
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16:16 < morfoh> wb LMJ ;)
16:16 < LMJ> damned
16:16 < LMJ> i was fighting with something who using my cpu at 100%
16:17 < LMJ> looks like a bogus "top" in a infiinte loop ;)
16:17 < mnemoc> top lives doing an inf. loop
16:18 < LMJ> well
16:18 < LMJ> i should say : infinite& loop ;)
16:18 < LMJ> hello mnemoc
16:18 < LMJ> infinite² loop **
16:19 < mnemoc> :)
16:19 < mnemoc> hi LMJ
16:19 < LMJ> how rxr called you yet the last week
16:19 < LMJ> i forgot
16:19 < LMJ> the dictator or something like this :-D
16:22 < mnemoc> :(
16:23 < LMJ> lmao
16:23 < LMJ> relax
16:23 < mnemoc> i don't feel myself as a dictator :(
16:24 < LMJ> i don't thing too
16:24 < LMJ> just kidding
16:29 < LMJ> anyway
16:29 < LMJ> how are you today mnemoc ?
16:30 < rxr> that was a just a joke anyway ,-)
16:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: pound doesn't like the cert issued by cacert ...
17:07 < rxr> so - my osx work day ends
17:07 < rxr> and hopefully it was the last osx encounter for this weeks ...
17:07 < rxr> week even ,-)
17:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: now it works
17:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: pound likes whatever openssl likes
17:14 < mnemoc> morfoh: you just need to add the hashes
17:14 < mnemoc> LMJ: stressed as hell :)
17:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... I know ... the .pem was corrupted
17:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: are the 6 month common for expiration of cacert certs ?
17:29 < mnemoc> i don't remember... but there is a FAQ :)
17:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: hopefully you're happy now ... :p
17:37 < mnemoc> we should include cacert's .pem by default on openssl package
17:43 < LMJ> hello back
17:43 < mnemoc> hi LMJ
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17:57 [Users #t2]
17:57 [@ChanServ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sepp ]
17:57 [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
17:57 [ CIA-18 ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ _Ragnar_]
17:57 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
17:57 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004
17:57 < mnemoc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215243 <-- morfoh
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18:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack
18:41 < owl> gnarf. where the helll.......?
18:46 < morfoh> owl ?
18:46 < owl> morfoh: this fsccking dumb ugly like hell damned shit thing called variable
18:46 < owl> the person who wrote this code should be shot ASAP
18:47 < morfoh> owl: ask Baldzius to shoot him or her ... :)
18:47 < owl> morfoh: why? :)
18:48 < Baldzius> :)
18:48 < owl> hi Baldzius . interested in shooting someone :)=
18:48 < morfoh> owl: he is the gun boy ... even a nasty one :)
18:48 < owl> hehe
18:48 < Baldzius> hi owl :)
18:48 < Baldzius> heh
18:49 < rxr_> re
18:49 < rxr_> hi
18:49 -!- You're now known as rxr
18:49 < Baldzius> wb rxr
18:49 < owl> huhu rxr
18:50 < rxr> *wink* owl
18:50 < rxr> owl: what code are you ranting about? xt:commerce ?
18:50 < owl> rxr: nah, oscommerce :)
18:51 < rxr> owl: thats the same ugly crap - just in blue instead of red ...
18:52 < morfoh> owl: look ... isn't he looking dangerous ? -> http://www.frappr.com/?a=myfrappr&id=210613
18:52 < owl> rxr: ack :)
18:52 < owl> morfoh: bwahwhahahahaha. no :)
18:55 < rxr> lol
18:55 < rxr> big paste:
18:56 < rxr> Origin of the word "dither"
18:56 < rxr> From Ken Pohlmann?s "Principles of Digital Audio," 4th edition, page 46:
18:56 < rxr> "...one of the earliest uses of dither came in World War II. Airplane bombers used mechanical computers to perform navigation and bomb trajectory calculations. Curiously, these computers (boxes filled with hundreds of gears and cogs) performed more accurately when flying on board the aircraft, and less well on ground. Engineers realized that the vibration from the aircraft reduced the error from sticky moving parts. Instead of moving in short jerks, they moved more continuously. Small vibrating motors were built into the computers, and their vibration was called 'dither' from the Middle English verb 'didderen,' meaning 'to tremble.' Today, when you tap a mechanical meter to increase its accuracy, you are applying dither, and modern dictionaries define 'dither' as 'a highly nervous, confused, or agitated state.' In minute quantities, dither successfully makes a digitization system a little more analog in the good sense of the word."
18:56 < rxr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dithering
18:56 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
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19:50 * mnemoc returning after a failed installation of azazel@2.2 :(
19:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: you never told me init.d/system was missing!
19:51 < morfoh> mnemoc: uhm ?
19:52 < mnemoc> usr/bin/touch <--- touch misslocated
19:53 < karasz> re
19:54 < morfoh> wb karasz
19:54 < mnemoc> wb karasz
19:54 < karasz> hello Baldzius jsaw LMJ mnemoc owl rxr sepp valentin
19:54 < karasz> kommrad ;)
19:54 < karasz> thx mnemoc morfoh
19:54 < LMJ> ola karasz
19:54 < mnemoc> yuck yuck yuck morfoh: package/base/sysvinit/system.init
19:55 < karasz> bonsoir LMJ
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19:57 < mnemoc> r14524 | rene | 2006-01-05 09:43:27 -0300 (Thu, 05 Jan 2006) | 3 lines
19:57 < mnemoc> * moved the system.init from sysfiles into sysvinit sinc eit is highly
19:57 < mnemoc> sysvinit specific and can easily be updated this way thru Emerge
19:58 < mnemoc> but yes, it's sysvinit specific, and i use it ilegally with runit
20:02 < rxr> heheh
20:02 < mnemoc> :)
20:03 < jsaw> re
20:03 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15375 /trunk/package/base/libtool/libtool.desc: * stage 2 is too early, -> stage 3
20:03 < jsaw> Baldzius: --^
20:08 < CIA-18> amery * r15376 /trunk/package/base/runit/runit.conf: * changed runit to install system.init from sysvinit, which was moved from sysfiles at r14524
20:10 < CIA-18> amery * r15377 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone_mod_install.sh: * fixed LVM support at `stone install`
20:18 < Baldzius> jsaw: ack
20:18 < Baldzius> but i added perl & automake to [2] and ref build passed
20:18 < jsaw> oh
20:18 < Baldzius> locally
20:18 < jsaw> that's maybe even better?
20:18 < jsaw> rxr: ?
20:18 < Baldzius> dunno
20:19 < Baldzius> all works
20:22 < jsaw> hmmm, flist still has all files (when using mine's -x opt)
20:23 < rxr> hm ?
20:23 < jsaw> -x glob to execlude files from installation
20:23 < rxr> nah - leave it in 3
20:24 < rxr> 2 is only rebuilding vital stuff to be sure ...
20:24 < jsaw> ah, that u meant
20:24 < jsaw> ok, good
20:24 < rxr> those will be gone hopefully sooner than later anyway
20:25 < jsaw> rxr: was it okay to add echo_warning ?
20:27 < rxr> oeh
20:27 < CIA-18> rene * r15378 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
20:27 < CIA-18> * moved 60-hotplug.rules into hotplug++ as 60-hotplug++.rules and
20:27 < CIA-18> install conditionally if udev is available
20:27 < jsaw> rxr: :)
20:27 < CIA-18> rene * r15379 /trunk/package/base/hal/ (70-hal.rules hal.conf):
20:27 < CIA-18> * added a 70-hal.rules to hall and install it conditionally if udev
20:27 < CIA-18> is available (untested, but should work)
20:28 < rxr> jsaw: which echo_warning ?
20:28 < rxr> valentin: I added code for a quite advanced (seems to be even better than floyd steinberg) dither to exact image
20:28 < jsaw> due to the many error messages from libtool-fixup... I added echo_warning to misc/output/*
20:28 < jsaw> and changed libtool-fixup to use it
20:29 < jsaw> ${yellow}*>${normal} $message
20:29 < rxr> valentin: I need to rewrite the code and test a bit before I commit - but I want to use exact-image inside the mac driver then for the preview convertion (to have the code as advanced as possible in one place) and later we can add my virtual rescan stuff to the mac driver if someone is willing to pay it ...
20:29 < rxr> jsaw: ah
20:29 < rxr> jsaw: shoudl be fine
20:30 < rxr> maybe convert linux24/linux24.conf as well ?
20:30 < rxr> the 3rd party module failed thing ...
20:30 < rxr> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~chuck/lennapg/lena_std.tif
20:30 < jsaw> oh, yeah, why not?
20:30 < rxr> ^- is this image in the public domain already and I can savely add it to my GPL code's testsuite ?
20:30 < mnemoc> rxr: can that be optional? the 3rd party module failed thing ...
20:31 < jsaw> mnemoc: ?
20:31 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, let's change this to only be relaxed in stage9, right
20:31 < rxr> and fail in any other before ...
20:31 < mnemoc> ACK
20:32 < mnemoc> jsaw: the feature, not the echo_warning :)
20:32 < jsaw> yeah
20:33 < jsaw> so, nice, using vserver guest installation with mine -x saves a lot of space
20:34 < mnemoc> :)
20:34 < jsaw> (working on an vserver guest installer...)
20:34 < rxr> jsaw: I do the linux thing
20:34 < mnemoc> :D
20:35 < jsaw> rxr: good, I would have to learn the code first... ;)
20:35 < rxr> any comments to lenna ?
20:35 < jsaw> I have no idea, doesn't it carry some watermark?
20:36 < jsaw> mnemoc: test install of base parts dropped from some 200M to 64M now (with glibc I have to add)
20:37 < jsaw> s/with glibc I have to add/with glibc I should mention/
20:37 < mnemoc> :)
20:37 < jsaw> mnemoc: so now, post-corrections...
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20:38 < mnemoc> wb nzg
20:39 < sepp_> rxr: that is a old playboy photo ...
20:40 < nzg> moin
20:40 < nzg> thx mnemoc
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20:44 < rxr> sepp: I know
20:44 < rxr> sepp: used in image processing testing since the dark ages ...
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20:47 < CIA-18> rene * r15380 /trunk/ (package/base/linux24/linux24.conf scripts/functions.in):
20:47 < CIA-18> * made the build_package code more generic by not printing or
20:47 < CIA-18> hiding anything and properly return the build result status
20:47 < CIA-18> * changed linux24.conf to itself print the warning for failed
20:47 < CIA-18> modules and whether to abort the package build thereafter
20:47 < CIA-18> (pre stage 9 / manual builds)
20:47 < rxr> ^- untested I shoudl have add
20:48 < sepp> rxr: ;) - but copyright in the us does not expire as long as disney exists ...
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20:52 < rxr> http://sipi.usc.edu/services/database/database.cgi?volume=misc&image=12#top
20:52 < rxr> it is available in the original lab database or so
20:53 < rxr> I could still wget the image in a make check ,-)
21:00 < rxr> so - late dinner - cu then
21:00 < rxr> btw. changes are beeing tested with 2.6.16-rc2-mm1 ...
21:02 < morfoh> rxr: btw, is there any outstanding commit for dietlibc on your box ?
21:03 < morfoh> usr/d
21:03 < morfoh> !> ietlibc/include/sys/syscall.h:4:24: error: asm/unistd.h: No such file or dire
21:03 < morfoh> !> ctory
21:03 < morfoh> !> Due to previous errors, no 1-udev.log file!
21:21 < LMJ> we spoke here irrc about ampache a day, but who was the other guy who speak with me about that ?
21:22 < morfoh> LMJ: it was stelz I think ... long time not seen him
21:23 < LMJ> maybe, i can't remenber correctly who was the guy, but he told us something else then ampache, i can't remenber the name
21:24 < morfoh> LMJ: dunno ... did you greped the irc logs ?
21:24 < LMJ> hum, could be fun
21:24 < LMJ> where i can find them ?
21:25 < morfoh> http://t2-project.org/irclogs/
21:25 < rxr> http://www ..
21:25 < rxr> ouhm
21:25 < rxr> m. was faster ... ,-)
21:25 < morfoh> :)
21:25 < LMJ> wow
21:26 < LMJ> a little search engine would be welcome ;)
21:26 < rxr> google :site www....
21:27 < LMJ> i'm doing the pig ;)
21:28 < morfoh> rxr: dietlibc's syscall.h is including asm/unistd.h, it is located
21:28 < LMJ> DownThemAll firefox plugin -> download *.html
21:28 < morfoh> [#t2] h is including asm/unistd.h, it is located
21:28 < morfoh> wtf ... wrong pasted
21:28 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/69423
21:28 < morfoh> /usr/dietlibc/include/unistd.h
21:28 < rxr> USB gov. vorbid transmeta selling to the chinese company ...
21:28 < rxr> morfoh: I do not have a patch outstanding I think
21:29 < rxr> morfoh: what combination is not building ?
21:29 < morfoh> rxr: did sth. leaked in ?
21:29 < morfoh> udev is not building anymore
21:29 < rxr> morfoh: everything else builds ?
21:30 < morfoh> dunno ... I just rescheduled udev ...
21:37 < rxr> thos parents of Tron are just annoying
21:38 < CIA-18> aldas * r15381 /trunk/package/xfce4/libexo/libexo.desc: * updated libexo (0.3.0 -> 0.3.1.2alpha-r19548)
21:38 < rxr> I'm sure Tron would rather find it welcome to have his crypto phone and myteroius deth in wikipedia than the f*ck his parents are doing about it right now ...
21:39 < rxr> Enlightenment 0.16.8 (now known simply as 'E16'
21:39 < rxr> )
21:39 < CIA-18> aldas * r15382 /trunk/package/xfce4/thunar/thunar.desc: * updated thunar (0.1.3svn-r00141 -> 0.2.0alpha-r19548)
21:40 < rxr> so - n8 all
21:40 < karasz> gn rxr
21:40 < morfoh> rxr: perhaps this has sth. todo with a book ... wasn't there a book about tron that will be published soon ?
21:40 < morfoh> rxr: gn8
21:41 < rxr> morfoh: no idea
21:41 < mnemoc> Baldzius: does Terminal build with that new libexo?
21:41 < rxr> there already have been around two
21:41 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
21:41 < rxr> and I doubt anyone would be intersted to re-read yet another variant ...
21:41 < rxr>
21:41 < Baldzius> menmoc: oops, but thunar does
21:41 < mnemoc> :)
21:42 < Baldzius> mnemoc* :)
21:42 < mnemoc> Baldzius: i think you will need to update to Terminal-r19548 too
21:42 < Baldzius> hm i tried to fix thunar :)
21:43 < Baldzius> mnemoc: ok , thanks & sorry :)
21:43 < mnemoc> Baldzius: don't be sorry, but update Terminal ,-)
21:44 < Baldzius> with pleasure :)
21:44 < mnemoc> *G*
21:45 < Baldzius> i know you call me double-nasty-boy now :)
21:45 < mnemoc> if Terminal doesn't build i'll do :)
21:45 < mnemoc> but i'll not test today
21:46 * Baldzius is praying ...
21:48 < CIA-18> aldas * r15383 /trunk/package/x11/emelfm2/emelfm2.desc: * increased emelfm2 build priority
21:51 < LMJ> nice emelfm2 :-d
21:55 < mnemoc> .oO( who maintain that packagE? )o
21:56 < LMJ> this package is maitained ?
21:59 < mnemoc> by a french afaik
22:01 < sepp> a french mole :)
22:07 < LMJ> notice sepp just wake up for flamewar or bad jokes ;)
22:08 < mnemoc> hehe
22:09 < sepp> :)
22:10 < CIA-18> amery * r15384 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone_mod_general.sh: * enhanced `stone general` to have a shortcut to just keep current values for timezone, locale, vcfont and keymap
22:12 < CIA-18> amery * r15385 /trunk/package/base/coreutils/coreutils.conf: * changed coreutils to install `touch` at /bin - needed by runit/1
22:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: is the recent udev building for you ?
22:15 < _Ragnar_> yes
22:15 < _Ragnar_> == 13:59:40 =[1]=> Building filesystem/udev [083 2.2.0-alpha].
22:15 < _Ragnar_> == 02/09/06 14:00:04 =[1]=> Finished building package udev.
22:15 < mnemoc> 083? yes
22:15 < mnemoc> 084... i wont try to update that :D
22:17 < morfoh> strange ... it is failing here badly here... :/
22:36 < morfoh> .oO( guess I just have sh*t on my hands )o ... hotplug++ is failing too ... .oO( where is da b*mb )o
22:37 < mnemoc> o_O
22:37 < mnemoc> does udev make symlink for block devices or always nodes?
22:42 < CIA-18> amery * r15386 /trunk/package/x86/lilo/stone_mod_lilo.sh: * fixed `stone lilo` to generate lilo.conf with initrd and a better bootdev
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23:09 < morfoh> f* ... I'll reschedule my whole build
23:12 < morfoh> I think r15378 was just tested on stage 9
23:17 < morfoh> either we're changing the prio of udev before hotplug or we've to check additionally for the stagelevel
23:26 < morfoh> jsaw: I guess we can safely increase the prio of hotplug++ to be build after udev ... or do you see any problems ?
23:28 < jsaw> morfoh: nope
23:28 < morfoh> good
23:35 < CIA-18> chris * r15387 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/hotplug++.desc: * changed the build priority of hotplug++ (102.040 -> 187.600) to be build after udev, which is necessary due to the changes in r15378. Otherwise it will fail badly in stage 1
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