--- Log opened Sat Jan 21 00:00:05 2006 --- Day changed Sat Jan 21 2006 00:00 < karasz> tell me abt it... a little 00:00 < karasz> kind of a bedtime story ;) 00:00 < mnemoc> pff 00:01 < karasz> nah, seriously 00:01 < karasz> what is prepared in 2.1.2 ? 00:01 < mnemoc> just tell me what updates or fixes you are missing on 2.1-stable 00:01 < karasz> aha updates and fixes with emphasis on fixes i guess? 00:02 < karasz> hmm... 00:02 < karasz> lemme think 00:02 < mnemoc> make me a mail and start a build 00:02 < karasz> fix KDE pretty please ;D 00:02 < karasz> oki oki 00:02 < karasz> i am serious now 00:03 < mnemoc> be concrete :) 00:03 < karasz> but it will have to wait till tomorrow because i am beaten and also i have to go to suck ones blood out 00:03 < mnemoc> no problem 00:03 < karasz> i will mail you tomorrow 00:03 < karasz> with stuff that i observed 00:03 < karasz> cu 00:03 < karasz> bye all 00:03 < mnemoc> document and report :) 00:03 < mnemoc> bye karasz 00:04 < karasz> i'll try to be concrete and documented ;)( 00:04 < mnemoc> good :) 00:22 -!- demian [n=Jonathan@201.206.44.210] has joined #t2 00:27 < CIA-2> amery * r14940 /branches/2.1-test/: * branched 2.1-test from 2.1-stable, to make merge-testing and updates of frozen package branches easier 00:41 < CIA-2> amery * r14941 /branches/2.1-test/scripts/parse-config: * changed sdever to 2.1-test 00:52 < CIA-2> amery * r14942 /branches/2.1-test/package/base/gcc/ (gcc.desc workaround_SSIZE_MAX.patch): * updated gcc (3.4.4 -> 3.4.5) 00:53 -!- demian [n=Jonathan@201.206.44.210] has quit ["leaving"] 00:55 < owl> gn8 00:56 < mnemoc> gn8 owl 01:16 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF545.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:04 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:00 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200-70-145-225.mrse.com.ar] has joined #t2 03:00 < keinek> hi 03:00 < keinek> :) 03:31 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-16-224.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 03:56 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AFCF50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 04:07 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:12 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200-70-145-225.mrse.com.ar] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:13 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AFA656.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:13 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200-70-160-197.mrse.com.ar] has joined #t2 04:28 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200-70-160-197.mrse.com.ar] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:16 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-16-224.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 06:27 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178168080.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 06:27 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 06:27 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006] 06:27 [Users #t2] 06:27 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-2] [ misl ] [ owl ] [ sepp ] [ _Ragnar_] 06:27 [ axion_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 06:27 [ Baldzius] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_] [ valentin ] 06:27 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 06:27 -!- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp 06:27 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 06:28 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 36 secs 06:36 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178148194.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:20 < rxr_> re 07:20 -!- You're now known as rxr 08:00 < misl> morning all :) 08:20 < rxr> moin misl 08:20 < misl> hi rxr 08:22 < misl> rxr: if libassuan is build with -fPIC should all package using libassuan also be build with -fPIC? 08:22 < rxr> misl: hm - not necessarily 08:22 < rxr> misl: do you get an error due that ? 08:23 < rxr> only dynamically loaded .so files need -fPIC IIRC 08:23 < misl> opensc did not build on 2.1 x86-64 due to -fPIC 08:23 < misl> it required libassuan to be build with -fPIC 08:23 < rxr> does it built a .so? or just the main binarly ? 08:23 < misl> dunno 08:23 < misl> :) 08:23 < rxr> yes, the lib*.so needs to be -fPIC 08:24 < rxr> if it does not build itself so (and accidently works on mostly x86 only) 08:24 < misl> ack 08:24 < rxr> you can add [F] FPIC-QUIRK to the libassuan package 08:24 < misl> I already did 08:24 < rxr> but to the lib* package, the main binary does not necessarily need to be -fPIC 08:24 < rxr> does it built this way ? 08:24 < misl> with this flag both libassuan and opensc build :) 08:25 < misl> now I try building opensc without the FPIC modification and see if it works too. 08:28 * rxr rebooting soon 08:35 < misl> :) works too 08:35 < rxr> re 08:35 < rxr> cu - off to me 08:35 < rxr> su 08:35 < rxr> cu 08:35 < misl> cu rxr 08:39 -!- sparc-kl1 [n=sparc-kl@64.237.255.104] has joined #t2 08:54 < CIA-2> msluis * r14943 /trunk/package/security/libassuan/libassuan.desc: * added FPIC-QUIRK for libassuan. 08:55 < misl> oeps, untested on trunk 08:56 < CIA-2> msluis * r14944 /branches/2.1/package/security/libassuan/libassuan.desc: * added FPIC-QUIRK for libassuan. 08:57 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc-kl@64.237.244.11] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:57 < misl> ^-- this one is tested. both opensc and gnupg2 build with it. 09:20 < rxr> re 09:23 < valentin> moin 09:24 < valentin> *tea and breakfast* 09:26 [Users #t2] 09:26 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-2] [ misl ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kl1] 09:26 [ axion_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 09:26 [ Baldzius] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp] [ _Ragnar_ ] 09:26 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 09:32 < CIA-2> rene * r14945 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-ati/xpress-mem.patch: 09:32 < CIA-2> * added upstream CVS patch to xf86-video-ati to fix Xpress chipset 09:32 < CIA-2> memory detection 09:42 < rxr> so - next ooo x86-64 testbuild with a patches/64bit/ patch rediffed .. 10:18 < rxr> log is 6.8MB, though I do not remeber when it failed last time ... 10:37 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178145239.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 10:37 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 10:37 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006] 10:37 [Users #t2] 10:37 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-2] [ misl ] [ owl ] [ sepp ] [ _Ragnar_] 10:37 [ axion_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kl1] 10:37 [ Baldzius] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_] [ valentin ] 10:37 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 10:38 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 10:38 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 10:38 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 36 secs 10:38 < CIA-2> rene * r14946 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (64.patch ooo.conf): 10:38 < CIA-2> * first ooo fixes for 64bit systems, tweak the distribution name as necessary 10:38 < CIA-2> to enable our 64bit patch including define, enable some lib64 tinkery as 10:38 < CIA-2> needed and rediffed one of the ooo included 64bit patches 10:50 < rxr_> 12MB 10:50 < rxr_> guess it is over the mising bridge whatever header it failed last time 10:53 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178168080.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:05 < rxr_> 14MB 11:07 < misl> me off to do taxes :( 11:07 < misl> cu all later 11:07 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"] 11:08 < rxr_> cu 11:11 < CIA-2> rene * r14947 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/hotplug.d/default/90-backup.hotplug: 11:11 < CIA-2> * rewrote archivista hotplug usb backup to use a more user-friendly 11:11 < CIA-2> combo box to querry what action to perform 11:12 < rxr_> 15MB 11:20 -!- You're now known as rxr 11:20 < rxr> 16MB 11:24 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:25 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has joined #t2 11:29 < rxr> ouhm - error at 17MB 11:30 < rxr> ouhm 11:31 < rxr> ooo includes _boost_ !!!!!! 11:31 < rxr> and it is too old to recognize my gcc-4.0. ... ? 11:31 < Baldzius> good morning rxr :) 11:32 < rxr> moin Baldzius 12:04 < rxr> mnemoc: a suse blog claims this for openoffice: Build time on Dual Opteron 242 with 2G RAM is 1 hour, 19 minutes for en-US only build, with -P1 only and hot ccache. 12:06 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.85] has joined #t2 12:07 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.5] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:09 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 12:11 < rxr> http://blog.janik.cz/archives/2006/01/10/T21_48_15/ 12:11 < rxr> ^- heh - so right he is and why I have a ppc64 and not this el-cheapo intel crap ... 12:19 < Baldzius> AMD forever :))) 12:19 < rxr> at least no 32bit CPUs anymore ... 12:20 < Baldzius> yep 12:20 < rxr> e.g. watch every mmap of a today sized file fall back to read/write instead of mmap ... 12:20 < Baldzius> AMD X2 forever :) 12:20 < LMJ> good morning 12:21 < Baldzius> hi LMJ 12:21 < LMJ> X2 are pretty good Baldzius ;) 12:21 < Baldzius> imagine ... 12:29 < LMJ> Both ...... ........ ...... are still far away from being perfect, but I guess this is normal for Open Source projects, which are driven by only a few people in their spare time. 12:29 < LMJ> ^---- This guy should be kicked out ;) 12:38 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #T2 12:40 < CIA-2> sebastian * r14948 /trunk/package/security/loop-aes/ (kernel.conf.sh pkg_linux24_pre.conf pkg_linux26_pre.conf): * enabled CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP_AES 13:01 < rxr> hm 13:01 < rxr> I wonder 13:01 < rxr> I think I just inject the last full ooo build I have here from the last released livecd into my x86-64 system 13:02 < rxr> after all that is what we have multilib fore 13:02 < rxr> inject all /lib libraries ooo need into the mostly empty /lib directories of the x86-64 box and happily edit the text ... 13:02 < sepp> moin 13:04 < rxr> moin sepp 13:04 [Users #t2] 13:04 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-2 ] [ LMJ ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kl1] 13:04 [ axion_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 13:04 [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp] [ _Ragnar_ ] 13:04 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 13:04 < sepp> hi rxr :) 13:04 < karasz> moin all 13:04 < sepp> tooo painful to get ooo working on amd64? 13:05 < karasz> brb 13:05 < sepp> hi karasz 13:10 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.156.18.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 13:12 < rxr> sepp_: according to a lot of googling: "even if I would patch and patch and hack to get it build" using the various pieces and sources on the net "it would start and be able to do some basic tasks - but not even write ooo files compatbile with 32bit ooo versions" 13:13 < rxr> ooo source is really of a quality you barely want to imagine 13:14 < rxr> I built a 32bit x86 in parallel on my athlon to see if the breakage is more due gcc-4 in general or really specific for x86-64 13:15 < rxr> but since I need to hand a perfectly typeset document to the uni next week and need to work with two others together (latex no go) I think I'll start extracting 32bit ooo into my system from one of my last live cds ... 13:15 < rxr> also with latex it would be difficult to match the predefined typesetting requirements 13:16 < rxr> because tweaking such stuff in latex is a pain and due to that I hate latex nearly as much oas M$ products .. 13:16 < sepp_> :) 13:16 < rxr> the handbook will be soon converted to Subversion style docbook due to latex uglyness ... 13:24 < karasz> re 13:24 < karasz> hi sepp 13:29 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.132.133.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:29 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 13:34 -!- Bart- [n=bart@osiris.osk.enformatic.pl] has joined #t2 13:34 < Bart-> hi 13:36 < sepp> hi Bart- 13:36 < karasz> rxr that report was asked by mnemoc to fix issues on stable ;) 13:36 < rxr> yep, I just wanted to add this note 13:37 < rxr> to not try reinvent the wheel and just drop the pieces from trunk ... 13:37 < karasz> i see that he already branched out 13:37 < rxr> e.g. some issues took hours to solve, I just wanted to save peoples time 13:37 < karasz> i see 13:37 < karasz> right 13:37 < karasz> there is no need to reinvent the wheel 13:38 < mnemoc> rehi 13:38 < Bart-> do yoy accept patches for *.po or other translation files? 13:38 < mnemoc> ehm 13:38 < sepp> hi mnemoc 13:38 < mnemoc> hi sepp 13:39 < karasz> buenos dias senor ;) 13:39 < mnemoc> hi karasz 13:39 < mnemoc> karasz: i'm not sure how MUA+SVN will react to UTF8 patches 13:39 < karasz> ?? 13:39 < karasz> UTF8 patches? 13:40 < rxr> mnemoc: svn stores binary data 13:40 < rxr> moin mnemoc 13:40 < mnemoc> moin rxr 13:41 < rxr> Bart-: we accept such patches, but they are a bit better placed at the up-stream sources of the original authors to make it into the source as soon as possible 13:43 < karasz> mnemoc: what should i do? 13:44 < Bart-> rxr, all my paches go upstream (unless they are Bart-specific) but this doesn't change the fact that you sometimes must wait forever for new version 13:44 < rxr> Bart-: ack 13:44 < Bart-> rxr, see Openbox, sobe guy send translatin over half a year ago and yuo stiil don't have it 13:44 < Bart-> besides, it's crap, I fixed it 13:45 < Bart-> there is a group of pseudo-translators here, that work for statistics, not fr quality 13:46 < rxr> ic 13:46 < Bart-> nobody even reads their files before sending upstream 13:46 < rxr> well as I said, we accept any patch fixing a issue thankfully ,-) 13:46 < Bart-> there is a HUUUUGE amount of bugs in polish translations 13:47 < Bart-> and I got some patches ;] 13:48 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEF461.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 13:49 < karasz> welcome kommrad ;) 13:49 < morfoh> hi * ;) 13:49 < morfoh> thx karasz :) 13:51 < rxr> moin morfoh 13:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope I make your heart jump when you read /me building ooo ... 13:51 < rxr> mnemoc: any veto updating to 2.0.1.1 ? 13:51 < rxr> athlon has a 12MB log now and the notebook 15MB 13:52 < rxr> thus the later most probably fails soon again .. 13:53 < morfoh> moin rxr 13:53 < morfoh> rxr: how was the dinner :) ? 13:53 < rxr> mediteranian 13:54 < rxr> mediterranean even it seems 14:00 < rxr> notebook at 16MB and thus failing soon again 14:02 * rxr wonders when susan comes back from the city ... 14:02 * rxr getting hungry .... :-( 14:05 < rxr> 17 MB - so turing machine will stop soon 14:12 < CIA-2> aldas * r14949 /trunk/package/cad/pcb/ (pcb.conf pcb.desc): * updated pcb (20050315 -> 20050609) 14:13 < mnemoc> re 14:13 < morfoh> wb mnemoc 14:13 < rxr> oh 18MB log on the notebook 14:13 < rxr> is it past the last time failure ? 14:13 < mnemoc> rxr: no problem, update ooo 14:13 < rxr> I guess I start partying around 20M 14:14 < rxr> and better go back to my damn comp.science. theory stuff ... 14:14 < rxr> and this John Maeda talk I need to do soon ... 14:14 < mnemoc> rxr: there are two break points, bdb-java at xmlhelp module, and final packaging due to long names 14:14 < rxr> it broke way earlier in the beginning 14:14 < rxr> first because we did not yet use our T264 define 14:15 < rxr> and later because a 64bit patch did not apply 14:15 < mnemoc> ah, yes... i have only tried ia32 14:15 < mnemoc> thx morfoh 14:15 < mnemoc> Bart-: ask rxr about your polish translations 14:15 < rxr> now I try 2.0.1.1 on the 64 machine and it seems it makes a difference for the latest strange error I got during the build 14:16 < rxr> however I testbuild 2.0.1 on the athlon 14:16 < rxr> 15MB log there ... 14:16 < rxr> at 20M on the notebook I commit the 2.0.1 > 2.0.1.1 update 14:16 < rxr> still 18M 14:17 < mnemoc> morfoh: i'll commit openssl 0.9.7i to 2.1-test so you can give it a try 14:18 < mnemoc> morfoh: it has gcc 3.4.5 too 14:18 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF96B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 14:19 < mnemoc> wb nzg 14:19 < nzg> thx mnemoc 14:19 < nzg> moin 14:19 < morfoh> hi nzg 14:20 < nzg> mnemoc: you wrote about getting rid of custmain in vmware package 14:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: thx ... yeah, I can test it 14:20 < mnemoc> nzg: i don't remember to have done that 14:20 < mnemoc> nzg: but it's a good-thing-to-do 14:21 < nzg> on the ml iirc. is there a similar functionality i should use? 14:21 < nzg> or shall i create some kind of makefile that does the trick? 14:21 < CIA-2> amery * r14950 /branches/2.1-test/package/security/openssl/openssl.desc: * updated openssl (0.9.7g -> 0.9.7i) 14:22 < mnemoc> morfoh: please ---^ 14:22 < rxr> ah nope - same error 14:22 < mnemoc> :\ 14:30 < CIA-2> rene * r14951 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (ooo.desc t2-distro.patch): * updated ooo (2.0.1 -> 2.0.1.1) 14:31 < CIA-2> rene * r14952 /trunk/package/office/ooo/hotfix_libwpd.patch: * removed ooo/hotfix_libwpd.patch, does not apply anymore 14:33 < mnemoc> rxr: 14952... doesn't apply doesn't mean 'not needed' 14:36 < rxr> looks so 14:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: thanks ... should I start a complete ref build with 2.1-test ... 14:42 < morfoh> ? 14:43 < karasz> mnemoc: did you saw rxr's response to my Ml? 14:44 < mnemoc> yes 14:44 < karasz> good 14:46 * karasz in background mode so it may take a while for responses.... 14:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: what is 2.1-test ? just a current 2.1 with gcc + openssl update ? 14:49 < mnemoc> morfoh: yes 14:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: why did you update gcc ? 14:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: gcc344 doesn't build on rxr's computer... i hope gcc345 does 14:50 < Bart-> this is funny -> you do no have rlocate package :O 14:51 < mnemoc> Bart-: why funny? if you need it, make the .desc and send the patch 14:52 < mnemoc> uhm, it's a kernel module 14:52 < Bart-> mnemoc, I use rlocate when setting up new systems ;] 14:53 < Bart-> it is usefull because I can find files before I learn where they really are (like those in t2-trunk/build) 14:53 < mnemoc> Bart-: grep /var/adm/flists/* 14:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: which one of rxr's machines ? :p 14:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: ppc 14:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: that's why we don't get a ppc iso for 2.1.1 14:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: ic :| 14:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: but does it help if I run a x86 based ref build then ? 14:56 < morfoh> anyway ... ref build is started 14:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: of course 14:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: that's why gcc 3.4.5 is at -test and not at -stable 15:12 < valentin> re 15:13 < mnemoc> wb valentin 15:14 < Bart-> mnemoc, is there a way to find out what packages are waiting in build-queue or sth? 15:14 < mnemoc> Bart-: grep '^X' config/$config/packages 15:17 < Bart-> looots of them 15:18 < mnemoc> Bart-: that list is looped once per stagle 15:18 < mnemoc> stage 15:19 < Bart-> but some of them were already built at least sixteen times 15:19 < mnemoc> 16 times, difficult... because there are only 10 stages 15:20 < mnemoc> the second field of config/$config/packages tells you on which stage the package will be built 15:21 < mnemoc> most packages are only built at stage 5 15:21 < Bart-> guested that yesterday but how to find out on which stage I am now? 15:21 < mnemoc> others, to build the toolchain are build 2-4 times 15:22 < mnemoc> paste me a pink line of your build log 15:22 < Bart-> that's possible, I saw gcc at lead four times starting and about 10 finishing ;] 15:22 < mnemoc> and i translate it for you 15:23 < morfoh> hi valentin 15:23 < Bart-> no pink lines in mrxvt's buffer since gcc filled it with messages ;] 15:23 < Bart-> while building gcc of course ;] 15:24 < mnemoc> filled it with messages?? did you change config to get the output on screen? 15:24 < mnemoc> that reduce significativly the speed of the build and makes the processes very hard to follow 15:24 < Bart-> yes, output is printed 15:25 < mnemoc> that's not a wise choice :) 15:25 < Bart-> no, I've not seen this info in *documentation ;] 15:25 < mnemoc> trust in the defaults 15:25 < mnemoc> until you know what you are doing 15:25 < Bart-> I got one pink: == 16:21:46 =[5]=> Building xorg/xf86vidmodeproto [2.2.2 2.2.0-alpha]. <- stage 5 15:26 < karasz> stage 5 15:27 < mnemoc> yes, stage 5, repository xorg, package xf86vidmodeproto, version 2.2.2, t2 2.2.0-alpha 15:27 < Bart-> mnemoc, but I can always turn off my monitor, will it speed up the build? ;] 15:27 < mnemoc> Bart-: vi config/system/config and change SDECFG_VERBOSE to 0 15:28 < Bart-> atually it slow down much after uninstalling sh yesterday 15:28 < Bart-> *slowed 15:29 < Bart-> bash is veeery crappy shell when comes to building 15:43 * morfoh rebooting now ... for updating his machine ... bbl 15:43 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEF461.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 15:46 < Bart-> me /away 15:57 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEF461.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: that ooo patch seems to be upstream I think, at leat the .rej looked so 15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: I wanted to commit atomic of course with the update, but my svn has some strange hickup and pretended that the file is not revisioned anymore .. 15:58 < rxr> mabye svb-1.3 but or whatever 15:58 < morfoh> re ... but my mnemosyne on trunk test iso doesn't work 15:59 < rxr> at least I commited the svn rm from the Geode then 15:59 < morfoh> but at least my local qemu installation is working now :) 16:00 < mnemoc> rxr: ok 16:00 < mnemoc> morfoh: define "doesn't work" 16:03 < mnemoc> owl: don't you greet us anymore? 16:04 < owl> hi. i did tomorrow 16:04 < mnemoc> o.o 16:04 < owl> hm? 16:04 < mnemoc> "i did tomorrow" .... interesting concept 16:05 < mnemoc> hi owlita :) 16:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: booting from the iso works, but it cannot execute init ... so we've a runit problem. specifying init=/sbin/runit-init doesn't work 16:05 < morfoh> hi owl 16:05 < owl> lazyness is my friend today ;) 16:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: init=/sbin/init 16:05 < owl> hi mnemoc morfoh 16:06 < mnemoc> owl: :) 16:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: this is the default and doesn't work as well 16:07 < mnemoc> morfoh: what doesn't work? 16:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, I'm talking about the install cd 16:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: it cannot execute init 16:08 < mnemoc> morfoh: uhm 16:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: so "No init found" 16:10 < mnemoc> is it there? ldd? file? 16:10 < LMJ> good afternoon 16:10 < mnemoc> hi LMJ 16:10 < morfoh> hi LMJ 16:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: mom 16:11 < LMJ> how are you guys today ? 16:12 < mnemoc> stressed as hell :) 16:13 < rxr> mnemoc: .oO 16:14 < mnemoc> rxr: having a highly fixed and common deadline for everything is stressing :) 16:15 < karasz> mnemoc: wanna see something interesting? 16:16 * mnemoc doesn't answer 16:17 < karasz> mnemoc: http://karasz.pastebin.ca/37829 16:17 < karasz> look for id 2727 16:17 < karasz> the result is an 0 length mbox file (mine) 16:18 < mnemoc> i use qmail :) 16:18 < karasz> i don't look for a solution 16:18 < mnemoc> and, of course, maildir 16:18 < karasz> i found it interesting 16:19 < karasz> still sad thou, 'cause i had some 80MB mails there... 16:19 < morfoh> karasz: use maildir instead of mbox and you'll have less trouble 16:19 < mnemoc> karasz: that's why mbox is evil 16:19 < karasz> i plan to change to qmail anyway 16:20 < morfoh> karasz: mbox is just growing and growing ... and if you screw it, chances are quite hight to loose everything 16:20 < karasz> after that come some errors about being unable to index file because of LF in an unapropriate place :D 16:20 < karasz> now it is very clean 16:21 < karasz> 0 bytes 16:21 < morfoh> karasz: don't waste your time using mbox :p 16:23 < karasz> i am not wasting time 16:23 < karasz> i am wasting mails ;) 16:23 < mnemoc> mbox is evil 16:23 < karasz> btw i didn't screwed it 16:23 < mnemoc> broken by design 16:23 < karasz> i didn't even touched it... 16:23 < mnemoc> no need to 16:24 < mnemoc> mbox is easily corrupted, slow as hell, and self-destructing 16:24 < karasz> :D ack 16:24 < mnemoc> but, btw... don't forget to use reiser if you go for maildir 16:25 < mnemoc> ext{2,3}, jfs and xfs don't survive the load 16:25 < morfoh> mnemoc: are you shure regarding xfs ? 16:25 < mnemoc> xfs survives the load, but it's optimized for big files 16:25 < Baldzius> xfs is _slow_ 16:26 < mnemoc> and you waste lot of space with small files (like normal mails) 16:26 < mnemoc> hot-resize is cool, but xfs doesn't pay 16:26 < morfoh> hey guys ... I know that I'm on "reiser advertising channel" here :p 16:26 < Baldzius> :) 16:27 < Baldzius> _reiser4_ 16:27 < karasz> anyway i liked reiser... 16:27 < morfoh> Baldzius: yeah ... :) 16:27 < mnemoc> there is some hackery to do to support reiser4 on 2.1 16:27 < karasz> i guess that is too soon 16:27 < mnemoc> but's on my TODO 16:27 < mnemoc> even with the hate of rxr 16:27 < karasz> let the guy do his job hirst... 16:28 < Baldzius> namesys released reiser4 for 2.5.16 vanilla .. i'm going to give it a try 16:28 < Baldzius> oops 16:28 < Baldzius> 2.6.15 :) 16:30 < morfoh> rxr: is sysvinit a hardwired dependency for booting a current install CD made from trunk ? 16:31 < rxr> oehm 16:31 < rxr> no - don't think so 16:31 < morfoh> rxr: afaics we're parsing kernel cmdline for getting the init 16:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: runit doesn't need that because it is named as sysvinit's when active 16:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... but I'm wondering why it can't find any init to execute then 16:32 < mnemoc> rxr: are you taking /sbin/init file directly from sandbox, or expanding the package? 16:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: isn't is sh? -x ? 16:38 -!- demian [n=Jonathan@201.206.44.210] has joined #t2 16:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: hmmm ... you mean "package/base/mkinitrd/initrdinit.sh" ? 16:52 < rxr> re 16:53 < rxr> mnemoc: taking out of the sandbox what for? 16:53 < rxr> in the initrd there is a shellscript as init 16:53 < rxr> and what is in the actual filesystem then depends on the target, how it tinkers this stuff together 16:55 < mnemoc> ah, good :) 16:57 < morfoh> but anyhow ... then the initrd doesn't work for me 17:05 < mnemoc> :\ 17:16 < rxr> so /we shortly of in the city again 17:17 < rxr> (shopping and such) 17:17 < morfoh> rxr: have fun :) 17:18 < CIA-2> rene * r14953 /trunk/target/archivista/download.txt: * updated archivista SANE/Avision snapshot to sane-avision:HEAD 17:18 < rxr> morfoh: thanks - cu 17:18 < rxr> oh 17:18 < rxr> ooo on x86 still building 17:18 < morfoh> rxr: cu :) 17:18 < rxr> == 13:20:21 =[9]=> Building office/ooo [2.0.1 2.2.0-alpha]. 17:19 < rxr> 27M /var/adm/logs/9-ooo.out 17:19 < rxr> so 64bit issue most probably 17:19 < rxr> gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 either 17:19 < rxr> so - /me off 17:19 < karasz> cu rxr 17:25 * karasz off to hunt 17:25 < karasz> cu latter guys 17:26 < morfoh> karasz: to hunt what ? :) 17:28 < rxr> http://www.t2systems.com/ 17:28 < rxr> my brother just phoned me -^ 17:28 < rxr> cu 17:31 < morfoh> hmmm ... the init within the initramfs is looking good and is executable 18:01 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 18:01 < misl> hi folks :) 18:02 < morfoh> hi rocketmen :) 18:02 < misl> :) 18:20 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"] 18:22 < morfoh> ^-- seems that was not a "long distance missile" 18:23 < Baldzius> :))) 18:23 < morfoh> :))) 18:25 < sepp> or he found the magic button 18:26 < mnemoc> rxr: parking business 18:27 < morfoh> sepp: or he was intercepted by a smaller missile :p 18:27 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 18:27 < morfoh> btw, hi sepperl ;) 18:28 < morfoh> sepp: no! seems it is a missile with a "stealth shield" 18:28 < sepp> hi :) 18:30 < misl> stealth shield? 18:30 < sepp> the wmd was unvisible for a moment ;) 18:31 < morfoh> [19:21:42] Signoff: misl ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]") 18:31 < morfoh> [19:24:04] ^-- seems that was not a "long distance missile" 18:31 < morfoh> [19:26:25] or he found the magic button 18:31 < morfoh> [19:28:46] sepp: or he was intercepted by a smaller missile :p 18:33 < misl> hehe, I found the button 18:34 < misl> just upgraded my irc client 18:50 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has left #t2 [] 18:50 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 18:50 < misl> morfoh: see the version number should differ now 19:08 < rxr> re 19:09 < mnemoc> wb rxr 19:15 < rxr> hi all 19:18 < rxr> ooo on the athlon still building 19:18 < rxr> 33M /var/adm/logs/9-ooo.out 19:18 < rxr> at least trunk looks like at least ooo is in somewhat buildinale state 19:20 < mnemoc> x86_32? 19:20 < mnemoc> ah, yes .... athlon 19:22 < rxr> http://www.pretec.com/product/SSD/Industrial/miniide.htm 19:22 < rxr> cool 19:23 < rxr> hey - we can ship such T2 NAS modules as well 19:23 < rxr> there is a company shipping some NAS in a IDE bundle for $$$ 19:23 < rxr> when those IDE flash boxes are freely available everywhere we can have thos firewall,nas,... in a IDE plug as well ,-) 19:24 < mnemoc> sure :) 19:25 < mnemoc> i have more than a few bookmarks on that field, waiting for the chance of using them 19:26 < karasz> re 19:27 < rxr> http://www.pretec.com/product/Multimedia\compactpresenter.htm 19:27 < rxr> this company has quite some interesting things .. 19:29 < Bart-> syntax errors in glibc's locale files: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Skkuyr83.html 19:31 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:31 < Bart-> anyway, is it possible to set and use LINGUAS variable during build to prevent from installing useless translation files? 19:33 < Bart-> or maybe there is more clever way (like %lang in RPM) to filter out unneeded message catalogs? 19:33 < mnemoc> Bart-: nothing implemented yet 19:33 < rxr> a filter is on the todo 19:34 < mnemoc> mine too 19:34 < Bart-> mnemoc, aha, I hope rm -rf is already implemented ;] 19:35 < rxr> depends wich rm you use ... ,-) 19:36 < Bart-> i thought there's only one, for filtering useless message catalogs ;] 19:37 < mnemoc> Bart-: the inconsistences on file lists will bring you troubles 19:39 < Bart-> what kind of trouble? I wanted to delete at least 30% of files 19:39 < Bart-> and this is not a joke, my onw system weights 650 megs *complete*! even with games and toys! 19:39 < mnemoc> Bart-: you can use flistdel for that 19:40 < mnemoc> Bart-: you know your own system, learn to use T2 before trying to hack it 19:43 < Bart-> mnemoc, tried t2 because of this: http://www.t2-project.org/about.html Is that true, not true or maybe it is as outdated as handbook? ;] 19:44 < rxr> the handbook is only 5% outdated ... ,-) 19:44 < rxr> the about page is ok 19:44 < mnemoc> of course it's true 19:44 < mnemoc> Bart-: i just say you must learn step by step 19:45 < Bart-> mnemoc, that's good because == 20:36:02 =[5]=> Building develop/gdb [6.4 2.2.0-alpha] 19:45 < mnemoc> :) 19:46 < Bart-> mnemoc, still haven't asked about package management 19:46 < Bart-> mnemoc, is there a package manager in t2? 19:47 * karasz hides 19:47 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:47 < mnemoc> rsync :) 19:47 * karasz unhides 19:47 < mnemoc> `mine` still the package manager 19:47 < mnemoc> with it you install, update and uninstall packages 19:47 < mnemoc> list files, etc.. 19:48 < mnemoc> but doesn't have any 'remote' feature 19:52 < Bart-> mnemoc, found README, this is rather simple 19:53 < mnemoc> .oO( README? )o 19:54 < Bart-> GEM-MINE file in mine tarball 19:54 < mnemoc> ah 19:54 < mnemoc> ok 19:54 < rxr> Bart-: but on trunk we use tarball instead o gem files .. 19:54 < rxr> we try hard to get rid of this legacy "junk" 19:55 < Bart-> mnemoc, I know and prefer this one 19:55 < mnemoc> on 2.1 we are tied to .gem, but not on 2.2 19:56 < Bart-> mnemoc, so is mine a package manager in 2.2 or not? ;] 19:56 < mnemoc> yes 19:56 < mnemoc> mine at 2.2 is patched to support other formats 19:56 < mnemoc> .tar.{bz2,gz,lzo} 19:57 < Bart-> I saw these packages that BuildTarget produce, they don't even have some king of header file 19:57 < mnemoc> var/adm/ 19:58 < mnemoc> all we need to manage packages is there, and more 20:00 < Bart-> these are really simple ;[ 20:00 < mnemoc> why more? 20:00 < Bart-> optional description? 20:01 < mnemoc> var/adm/package/$pkg 20:01 < mnemoc> grep friendly 20:01 < Bart-> ok, I saw these files before, looks good 20:08 < Bart-> mnemoc, I'm going to add fcron and rlocate rather quickly, and rlocate needs CONFIG_SECURITY=y and CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=m 20:08 < Bart-> but t2 has this options unset 20:09 < mnemoc> Bart-: rlocate (optional package) can enable them 'telepaticly' 20:10 < mnemoc> fcron should also be an optional package 20:11 < Bart-> what does it mean "optional"? 20:11 < mnemoc> [P] field at .desc starting with a O 20:11 < mnemoc> i.e. not built by default, only if target or user enable it 20:12 < mnemoc> take a look into bcron package 20:12 < Bart-> right, I'd better invetigate this files because: == 21:11:55 =[5]=> Building filesystem/reiserfsprogs [3.6.19 2.2.0-alpha]. 20:12 < Bart-> *these, brb 20:23 < karasz> re hi everybody 20:23 < morfoh> rxr: what do you have in TOOLCHAIN/initramfs/{bin,sbin} of a recent trunk build ? 20:23 < karasz> mnemoc: do you need me to do something, to prepare? 20:24 < mnemoc> karasz: the only thing i need is about 10 more hours per day 20:24 < karasz> godd 20:24 * karasz grants mnemoc 15 more hours per day so makes a day last 39 hours 20:24 < karasz> better? 20:25 < mnemoc> are you polititian now? 20:25 < karasz> mnemoc: that wasn't a very nice thing to say, tzz tzz tzz ;) 20:25 < mnemoc> :) 20:25 * mnemoc is tired :\ 20:26 < karasz> and grumpy 20:26 * karasz hides fast 20:26 < mnemoc> :p 20:26 < karasz> nah 20:26 < rxr> re 20:26 < rxr> 36M /var/adm/logs/9-ooo.out 20:27 < rxr> athlon still building 20:27 < karasz> i was thinkin that you need me to do a svn or some just to not waste toime with it 20:27 < rxr> == 13:20:21 =[9]=> Building office/ooo [2.0.1 2.2.0-alpha]. 20:27 < karasz> ?? 20:27 < mnemoc> :) 20:27 < karasz> 6 hours or so? 20:27 * karasz fears ooo 20:28 < mnemoc> i vote for 7 :) 20:28 < karasz> what ever it is awfull long 20:28 < mnemoc> it's SUN :) 20:28 * morfoh back in 30min ... bbl ;) 20:29 < karasz> cu 20:29 < rxr> 8 hours ... 20:29 < rxr> 21:30 here ... 20:29 < mnemoc> :D 20:29 < karasz> one can build a minimal +x in thet time.... at least almost 20:29 < morfoh> rxr: have you seen my question regarding initramfs ? 20:29 < rxr> it is in xmlsec 20:29 < rxr> oehm 20:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: supermarket, now 20:30 < rxr> morfoh: peripherally 20:30 < rxr> karasz: ack 20:30 < rxr> ooo is code from hell 20:30 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:30 < rxr> I only built it for one uni text 20:30 < karasz> ohum 20:30 < rxr> I hate it otherwise and would use koffice if it would nto be a designer requesting sub mm accurate layouting ... 20:30 < morfoh> rxr: initramfs/sbin is empty here ... which I cannot believe 20:31 < karasz> anyway koffice +abiword does the job at least as good as ooo 20:31 < rxr> karasz: yep mostly. 20:31 < rxr> morfoh: 20:31 < rxr> morfoh: hm 20:31 < mnemoc> karasz: .ppt compatibility is a mayor issue 20:31 < rxr> did I mention it is in xmlsec right now ... 20:31 < rxr> mnemoc: who needs .ppt ? 20:31 < karasz> maybe, i wouldn't know because i never use ppt 20:31 < mnemoc> university teachers 20:32 < karasz> xls and doc for me only 20:32 < rxr> not to mention this ooo code is as crippled that even after one year of hackery those all x86-64 hackers did not managed to get a 64bit ooo working .. 20:32 < rxr> that is starting but no document compatibility ... 20:32 < karasz> and for thoose koffice +abiword is more than enough 20:32 < rxr> and from all the crappy code I saw I know why ... 20:32 < rxr> those eveil code from the other side should never have been written in the first place ... 20:33 < mnemoc> ack, their existence is harmful 20:33 < rxr> valentin: btw. if you ever have to login into my athlon again, the sources moved from /mnt/space/... into /usr/src ... ,-) 20:33 < rxr> mnemoc: in germany pdf became mostly a exchange standard for finished documents, such as presentation 20:34 < mnemoc> great :) 20:34 < rxr> people exchanging properitary work-in-progress are rather seldom and looked crossed eyed onto 20:34 < mnemoc> my university distribute lecture prospects in .doc 20:34 < rxr> though e.g. my comp. sci. whatever at unis is on ... 20:34 < rxr> mnemoc: on exc. he demanded a .ppt 20:34 < rxr> I asked what kind of file format that would be ... 20:35 < rxr> after he said "Microsoft Powerpoint?" I asked if he would buy me the Linux version ... 20:35 < rxr> and after some eveil discussion he said a pdf would do as well ... 20:35 < mnemoc> :D 20:35 < rxr> !> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 .. 20:35 < rxr> !> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 .. 20:35 < rxr> !> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 .. 20:36 < rxr> !> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 .. 20:36 < mnemoc> out of disc space? 20:36 < rxr> !> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 .. 20:36 < rxr> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 .. 20:36 < rxr> oops sorry 20:36 < rxr> damn pastery 20:36 < rxr> /mnt/space 20:36 < rxr> ouhm 20:36 < rxr> /dev/hdc1 97656084 97656084 0 100% /mnt/space 20:36 < mnemoc> :D 20:36 < rxr> today is not my paste day 20:36 < rxr> damn fuck 20:36 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 6.98% (683 hits, 9100 misses) 20:36 < mnemoc> welcome to openoffice 20:37 < rxr> at least I know that the x86 build progresses way more than the x86-64 build and that it is not a gcc-4 issue, but a 64bit one 20:37 < rxr> mnemoc: welcome? more a goodbe ... 20:37 < rxr> goodbye ... 20:37 < mnemoc> good for you :p 20:37 < rxr> I rebuild from cache overnight ... 20:37 < mnemoc> i have to make that crap build with java support 20:37 < rxr> mnemoc: with gcj please 20:38 < mnemoc> don't dream 20:38 < rxr> according to googlery it is suppost to build with gcc 4 gcj 20:38 < mnemoc> i'm trying to use sun-1.4.2 without luck 20:38 < mnemoc> because our bdb version 20:39 < rxr> when you do not do clipper stuff anymore you might have some more timeslots for such tinkery 20:39 < mnemoc> '_rene_' is *trying* to make it build with gcj-4, but no luck neither 20:39 < rxr> mnemoc: did you ever tried mingw on the evil windows side ί 20:39 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc-kl@64.237.255.95] has joined #t2 20:39 < rxr> mnemoc: nope, I did not try that 20:39 < rxr> I do not care abou speaking wizards and jumping dogs 20:39 < mnemoc> rxr != '_rene_' 20:39 < rxr> I only wanted a bare minimal 64bit flavour 20:39 < rxr> mnemoc: ack 20:40 < rxr> mnemoc: ah 20:40 < mnemoc> [17:42:06] [freenode] ωνω _rene_ n=rene@dslb-084-056-120-219.pools.arcor-ip.net 20:40 < mnemoc> [17:42:06] [freenode] ωνω ircname : Rene Engelhard 20:41 < rxr> is this enough, or do I need to rm -rf some more, e.g. rock or fedora SVN/CVS checkouts? 20:41 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, i'm postponing ooo tinkery, but we need at least language wizard on ooo to get luser desktops 20:41 < rxr> uh 20:41 < rxr> second 20:41 < rxr> why is the space still used 20:41 < mnemoc> sync 20:41 < mnemoc> sync 20:41 < mnemoc> sync 20:41 < mnemoc> sync 20:41 < rxr> /dev/hda3 89631884 1706840 87925044 2% /usr/src 20:42 < rxr> my above paste was wrong 20:43 < rxr> hey! it did already install: 20:43 < rxr> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.131950. 20:43 < rxr> 21897.haudraufinix/ooo-build-2.0.1/build/ooa680-m1/instsetoo_native/util/OpenOff 20:43 < rxr> ice//logging/log_OOA680__en-US_af_ar_be-BY_bg_br_bn_bn-BD_bn-IN_bs_ca_cs_cy_da_d 20:43 < rxr> e_el_en-GB_en-ZA_eo_es_et_eu_fi_fr_ga_gl_gu-IN_he_hi-IN_hr_hu_it_ja_km_kn-IN_ko_ 20:43 < rxr> lo_lt_lv_mk_ms_ne_nb_nl_nn_nr_ns_pa-IN_pl_pt_pt-BR_ru_rw_sk_sl_sh-YU_sr-CS_ss_st 20:43 < rxr> _sv_sw_sw-TZ_sx_ta-IN_th_tn_tr_ts_ve_vi_xh_zh-CN_zh-TW_zu.log 20:43 < mnemoc> that's what 'long names' patch use to solve 20:44 < rxr> hm 20:44 < rxr> ah! 20:44 < rxr> on the athlon I did not built with LANG=en-US or what it was 20:44 < rxr> f*ck 20:44 < mnemoc> mandatory of ooo_lang=ALL 20:44 < rxr> mnemoc: could you commit to change this to en-US or so as long as this fails? 20:44 < mnemoc> s/of/for/ 20:45 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/ooo/ 20:45 < CIA-2> amery * r14954 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: * changed ooo to build by default only en-US 20:45 < rxr> so - my place for ooo reference logs .. 20:45 < rxr> mnemoc: thanks 20:46 < mnemoc> np 20:46 < rxr> I'll rebuild ooo on the athlon from cache 20:46 < mnemoc> keep dreaming :) 20:46 < mnemoc> rebuilds take as much as first builds 20:51 < rxr> though some time in the far future we should debug immense cache miss on ooo rebuild 20:51 < rxr> aha - one of those girls just called ... 20:51 < rxr> among others "do you have open office?" 20:52 < rxr> well - A: "well, yeah - sort off" 20:52 < rxr> Q: "Do you have it or don't?" 20:52 < rxr> hahaha ... 20:52 < rxr> yeah - source - but not really compiling (on the box I want to use it on) ..." 20:52 < rxr> is not what innocent girls want to hear at 10 o'clock ... 20:52 < rxr> confused I have her a bit I fear ... 20:54 < karasz> rxr you begin to dound like Yoda... :) 20:54 < mnemoc> do you know 'antiword'? :) 20:55 < mnemoc> rxr: what age are they? 20:57 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea 20:59 -!- sparc-kl1 [n=sparc-kl@64.237.255.104] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:00 < mnemoc> rxr: that scene reminded me at your age with 19y kids on the same project group at some courses at uni 21:01 < rxr> a bit you younger than I#m 21:01 < rxr> yeah 21:01 < rxr> when I asked in what they intend to write guess what the answer was ... 21:01 < rxr> but at least I'll not do the sildes and one of them does them in .ppt ... 21:01 < rxr> hope it does not crash too often on them ... 21:02 < rxr> (and kpdf will read the generated .pdfs ... 21:02 < rxr> that I have to throw on the wall since they have no laptop ...) 21:03 < rxr> so: ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=none ooo 21:03 < rxr> and /me off into bed soon 21:07 < karasz> cu rxr 21:09 < mnemoc> good luck rxr :) 21:09 < rxr> soon 21:10 < rxr> as long as susan is phoning on the bed you have to endure my ooo ranting over here ,-) 21:10 < mnemoc> hehe 21:11 < rxr> .oO(no squashfs in my subnotebook kernel) 21:11 < rxr> not good for ooo out of last livecd extraction .. 21:12 < morfoh> re 21:12 < mnemoc> wb morfoh 21:12 < morfoh> thx mnemoc 21:13 < karasz> kommrad... 21:13 < morfoh> tavarish 21:13 < karasz> kommrad we really shoud begin a resistance cell someday... :d 21:14 -!- tschmidt_ [n=tschmidt@p54AFDC0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 21:15 < rxr> hm - no livecd on cd that has ooo 21:15 < rxr> only incomplete test-junk 21:15 < rxr> I pray and wait for the athlon to build HEAD over night 21:15 < rxr> and if that fails download the known good live release from our pool ... 21:17 < Bart-> -> Creating 2nd_stage_small archive. 21:17 < Bart-> -> Creating isofs.txt file .. 21:17 < tschmidt_> re 21:17 < rxr> hi tschmidt_ 21:18 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF96B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:18 -!- tschmidt_ is now known as nzg 21:18 < karasz> rxr i heard that Ubuntu Live has ooo.... 21:18 < Bart-> I think, it's ready to install. There is "15.2 Direct Installation" chapter in handbook. Is it up to date? 21:19 < rxr> karasz: ours as well 21:19 < rxr> just not my test junk on the desk .-( 21:19 < karasz> sorry i have misunderstood you rxr 21:19 < rxr> karasz: no problem 21:21 < rxr> mnemoc: I think for t2 we should change our prebuild isos ... 21:21 < rxr> the minimal as usual but instead of the desktop the live, no ? 21:22 < morfoh> rxr: can't you do a short "ls" on "TOOLCHAIN/initramfs/{bin,sbin}" please ... 21:22 < mnemoc> rxr: on 2.2, sure 21:22 < rxr> morfoh: I have no builds on my notebook 21:22 < mnemoc> t2@live, 'livecd' is a common feature 21:22 < rxr> wiped them for reiser4 convertion 21:22 < morfoh> f* 21:23 < rxr> morfoh: and my ahtlon nicer 21:23 < karasz> cu guys on monday 21:23 < karasz> bye 21:23 < rxr> wiped those for a 50GB test file for rsync profiling / debugging 21:23 < rxr> my ppc64 would have some - but it is sleeping with OS X in the system RAM .. 21:24 < morfoh> naja ... anyway... sh*t happens 21:24 < rxr> morfoh: you build some target marked as "install" or "live" postprocessing on trunk? 21:24 < Bart-> mnemoc, build finished. Do I need some t2-magic to install or simply untar *.tbz2 on empty partition as described in chapter 15.2 (probably outdated ;])? 21:25 < morfoh> both ... but atm just the "install" variant is of paricular interest 21:25 < mnemoc> Bart-: you can create an ISO, and install from it.... or just 'dump' 21:25 < rxr> Bart-: not all of the handbook is outdated 21:25 < rxr> Bart-: dump jsut works 21:25 < rxr> for a best experience run the postinstall stuff 21:25 < mnemoc> :) 21:26 < Bart-> not sure what are you talking about 21:26 < rxr> morfoh: ok - you you have no init and you fear it is those dirs are empty ? 21:26 < Bart-> I don't want useless ISO - this box doesn't have CDRW 21:26 < rxr> morfoh: the code is in target/install/build_initrd.sh 21:27 < rxr> Bart-: untar and chroot and setup the usual stuff as used 21:27 < rxr> used to 21:27 < mnemoc> Bart-: dump, chroot, run postinstall, stone setup 21:27 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I've observed most parts of it, but I can't find the problem 21:27 < rxr> morfoh: what target is it ? 21:27 < mnemoc> Bart-: don't forget to mount /proc and /sys right after chroot 21:28 < morfoh> rxr: mnemosyne 21:28 < rxr> IC 21:28 < rxr> ic even 21:28 < rxr> I could test sometime next week 21:28 < rxr> if you want a reference you could try a generic+minimal in addition to diff 21:29 < morfoh> rxr: but do you really think it depends on the target ? 21:29 < rxr> nope 21:29 < rxr> but generic+minimal worked some days ago 21:29 < rxr> hm 21:29 < rxr> or it does 21:29 < morfoh> rxr: I thought all "Magic" was moved into new mkinitrd 21:29 < rxr> maybe mnemosyne does some more stuff forcing the posttarget stuff to fail? 21:29 < rxr> depends 21:30 < mnemoc> hey! don't blame mnemosyne 21:30 < rxr> the install cd-boot stuff has another initrd of course 21:30 < morfoh> rxr: there are no error's 21:30 < rxr> mnemoc: I don't 21:30 < mnemoc> good :) 21:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack :) 21:30 < rxr> I just say it the posttarget stuff might not integrate well with it (yet= 21:30 < rxr> and a generic+minimal might be a useful reference 21:30 < Bart-> mnemoc, rxr, no such script "dump" 21:30 < rxr> .oO 21:31 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... thanks for the hint :) 21:31 < rxr> morfoh: the install boot cd initrd is create by the target/install/build_initrd.sh 21:31 < rxr> that is stuff is exchanged and added to the intird build within your kernel build 21:31 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... I'll check the one on minimal-desktop 21:32 < rxr> maybe mnemosyne does alter some pathes used by the posttarget stuff or does not call some stuff 21:32 < rxr> whatever 21:32 < rxr> I have to sleep - n8 all 21:33 < CIA-2> aldas * r14955 /trunk/package/multimedia/lirc/ (6 files): * updated lirc (0.8.0pre4 -> 0.8.0) 21:33 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... sleep well ;) 21:33 < mnemoc> Bart-: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dump 21:36 < Bart-> I know what dump means, I thought about t2-trunk/package/base/dump but it looks like dump itself rather than script for dumping sth ;] 21:38 < mnemoc> loop over the tarballs and extract them over a mount point 21:40 < Bart-> in progress 21:41 * morfoh needs a beer for washing away the pain :p 21:42 < mnemoc> morfoh: :) 21:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: :) 21:42 * morfoh offering a beer to master mnemoc 21:42 < mnemoc> thanks 21:43 < morfoh> yw 21:43 < morfoh> ahhhhhh ... yes ... now I feel better :) 21:43 < demian> anyone skilled with sql ? 21:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: how can we "leak" a build_initrd.sh into syne ? 21:46 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178149196.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 21:46 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 21:46 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006] 21:46 [Users #t2] 21:46 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-2 ] [ LMJ ] [ nzg ] [ sepp ] 21:46 [ axion_ ] [ demian] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly] 21:46 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 21:46 [ Bart- ] [ karasz] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_] [ _Ragnar_ ] 21:46 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 21:46 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 21:46 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 21:46 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 36 secs 21:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess your coming from chile ... or isn't it ? 21:47 < mnemoc> yes i come from, and i am at chile 21:52 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178145239.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:54 < Bart-> mnemoc, "postinstall"? Are you talkind about /etc/posinstall.d.* 21:54 < mnemoc> Bart-: yes, execute those scripts 21:54 < Bart-> only one -> xorg 21:55 < Bart-> which actually failed due to lack of mkfontscale and mkfontdir 21:55 < mnemoc> uhm?! 21:57 < Bart-> I even know why 21:58 < Bart-> this is PATH in chroot: /usr/games:/home/bart/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin 21:58 < mnemoc> uhm 21:58 < Bart-> but these programs sit in /usr/X11R7/bin 21:58 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:59 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 22:00 < Bart-> lots of distibutions generally stop supporting /usr/X11R* prefix 22:01 < LMJ> hello 22:01 < Bart-> hi 22:02 < Bart-> crashed again, perhaps somebody should run ldconfig first ;] 22:04 < mnemoc> Bart-: /usr/X11/ should be used 22:04 < mnemoc> Bart-: so that script needs to be patched 22:06 < Bart-> can I fix it for myself now? 22:07 < mnemoc> sure 22:08 < Bart-> I wonder what will crash next ;] 22:10 < mnemoc> :) 22:11 < Bart-> mnemoc, I didn't check this before but X11 exists, is a symlink to X11R7 ;] 22:12 < mnemoc> but /usr/X11/bin must be used on PATHs 22:16 < Bart-> stone setup hangs when showing second window 22:16 < Bart-> it says: Paswords 1 and 2 are not he same but paswords weren't set yet 22:17 < mnemoc> TERM problem maybe? 22:18 < Bart-> says: cannot open tty-output 22:18 < Bart-> permissions messed up? 22:19 < Bart-> must be killed 22:19 < mnemoc> dev ? 22:20 < Bart-> there are no devices in chroot except null 22:22 < CIA-2> aldas * r14956 /trunk/package/x11/fvwm/fvwm.desc: * updated fvwm (2.5.15 -> 2.5.16) 22:23 < mnemoc> those are the problems of dumping, you depend on host's kernel, arch, dev system, ... 22:23 < Bart-> yep, not sure what to do to not depend 22:24 < Bart-> besides, /etc/stone.d/mod_setup.sh won't work with minimal sh due to // sybsitutions 22:24 < mnemoc> one option is to copy nodes from host to guest 22:25 < Bart-> tried to preserve as much as possible, I'll check it 22:26 < mnemoc> i haven't have u/dev experience yet... i don't know if you can get it running inside chroot too 22:26 < mnemoc> with devfs it's easy 22:26 < mnemoc> just mount 22:29 < Bart-> it's too late for this 22:31 < Bart-> i'll try tomorrow 22:31 < mnemoc> cu 22:31 < Bart-> cu 22:31 -!- Bart- [n=bart@osiris.osk.enformatic.pl] has quit ["Who's General Failure and why he's reading my disk?"] 22:37 < CIA-2> aldas * r14957 /trunk/package/network/mod_security/mod_security.desc: * updated mod_security (1.9.1 -> 1.9.2) 23:04 < demian> what decides if a file is binary or not? because at least one of its characters is not ascii ? 23:08 < mnemoc> non-text characters i thing 23:08 < mnemoc> think 23:08 < mnemoc> bbl 23:09 < morfoh> cu mnemoc ... good ride :p 23:09 < mnemoc> thanks :) 23:09 < mnemoc> bank in 1h 23:09 < mnemoc> back 23:09 < mnemoc> :\ 23:09 < mnemoc> cu 23:09 < morfoh> cu 23:13 < CIA-2> aldas * r14959 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/ (hotfix.patch poppler.conf poppler.desc): * updated poppler (0.4.3 -> 0.4.4) 23:22 < CIA-2> aldas * r14958 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (1.3.0 -> 1.3.1) 23:23 < CIA-2> aldas * r14960 /trunk/package/emulators/gngeo/gngeo.desc: * updated gngeo (0.6.6 -> 0.6.7) --- Log closed Sun Jan 22 00:00:01 2006