--- Log opened Thu Dec 29 00:00:17 2005 00:01 < karasz> == 12/29/05 01:54:30 =[5]=> Aborted building package font-bh-type1. 00:01 < karasz> !> Creation of binary package isn't possible, because the package was not 00:01 < karasz> !> built successfully in (at least) the current stage. 00:01 < karasz> nah, who cares about bitstream-type1... 00:01 < karasz> good that cyrilic builds ;) 00:05 < karasz> font-xfree86-type1 failed 00:07 < karasz> i guess type1 is broke, i couldn't even emerge it the other day... 00:08 * mnemoc moving home... 00:09 < karasz> cu mnemoc 00:09 < karasz> hmmm workin late? 00:09 < mnemoc> [20:09:14] * mnemoc moving home... 00:10 < mnemoc> i work from 9:00 to 20:00 from monday to saterday 00:10 < karasz> yup 00:10 < mnemoc> saturday 00:10 < karasz> 11 hours... 00:10 < mnemoc> 2 for lunch in the middle, for T2 ,-) 00:10 < karasz> ohm 00:11 < karasz> still 9 hours... 00:11 < karasz> are you selfemployed? 00:14 < karasz> cause if not grab a bow and shoot your boss 00:17 < karasz> i never understood hours in IT jobs... 00:17 < Baldzius> why bow? :) i'd prefer railgun or rocketlauncher :) 00:18 < karasz> i guess thoose are illegal in chile 00:18 < Baldzius> heh could be :) 00:18 < karasz> i never understood workin' hours in IT jobs 00:18 < karasz> FYI are illegal in Lithuania too... 00:19 < karasz> so be carefull Baldzius 00:19 < Baldzius> what's that FYI? FBI? :) 00:19 < karasz> FYI? for your information 00:20 < Baldzius> oh acr, just don't know them a lot :) 00:20 * karasz wondering why a shotgun is illegal here and a long-bow is not.... 00:21 < Baldzius> some time ago i was always confused by this -> iirc 00:21 < Baldzius> i thougth it's irc server deamon :) 00:21 < karasz> i was confused by ircii but that's another story 00:22 < Baldzius> hm i've heard that , somewhere ... can't rememeber now , i hate acr :) 00:23 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-255-73.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 00:25 < karasz> ircii is an irc client 00:25 < karasz> in fact it is the client :) 00:26 < rxr> re 00:27 < karasz> re rxr 00:27 < karasz> hunting succesfull? 00:27 [Users #t2] 00:27 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-2 ] [ karasz] [ MisterN] [ ojh] [ sparc-kly_] 00:27 [ _Ragnar_] [ demian] [ keinek] [ mnemoc ] [ owl] [ Stelz ] 00:27 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ rxr] [ valentin ] 00:27 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 00:28 * rxr wondering if it was the halfly working or really useful system currently on the ppc64 ... 00:28 < rxr> damn - too much changing stuff here ... 00:28 < rxr> # cat /etc/VERSION 00:28 < rxr> T2 SDE 2.2.0-alpha (2005/12/20) 00:28 < rxr> and it might already be outdated ... :-((( 00:29 < karasz> T2 SDE 2.2.0-alpha (2005/12/24) 00:29 < karasz> yup you are 4 days behind... 00:31 < rxr> I think I better start a new HEAD ppc64 build and install that result later on 00:31 < rxr> can only got better and the box compiles stuff lightning fast ;-) 00:36 < karasz> rxr did i got your e-mail corectly? 00:40 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. I soon remove linux24 from trunk 00:40 < rxr> right now I make changes for latest linux26 on powerpc that are incompatible with former linux26 - not to speak about linux24 00:40 < rxr> this is also why I added linux26mm 00:42 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFEB11.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 00:43 < rxr> hi nzg 00:44 < nzg> moin rxr 00:49 < nzg> i need to send my dad on holidays 00:50 < karasz> updating cache ./config.cache 00:50 < karasz> !> loading cache ./config.cache within ltconfig 00:50 < karasz> !> ltconfig: you must specify a host type if you use `--no- .. 00:50 < karasz> !> Try `ltconfig --help' for more information. 00:50 < karasz> !> configure: error: libtool configure failed 00:50 < karasz> !> Due to previous errors, no 5-glib12.log file! 00:50 < nzg> he won't let my computer run throughout entire nights, neither with nor without me in front of it 00:53 -!- axion [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 00:53 < karasz> recode failed with same error 00:53 < axion> hi 00:53 < karasz> hi axion 00:54 < axion> i have a dumb question...in the config menu, which option do i pick for i686 optimization? i dont want any subarch optimizing 00:56 < karasz> Pentium 2 i guess 00:56 < axion> i want to use -mcpu, not -march 00:56 < rxr> karasz: those are due to me removing too inteligen but time wasting code 00:57 * karasz blame it on rxr 00:57 < rxr> karasz: those packages should easily be fixed with [F] AUTOMAKE-QUIRK 00:57 < karasz> so? 00:57 < karasz> ohum 00:57 < rxr> those files have outdated config.guess and such architectuer match files 00:57 < rxr> this sucks 00:57 < mnemoc> rehi 00:57 < karasz> i guess i'll wait to break again or finish before that, no? 00:57 < rxr> this is auto* crappyness ... 00:58 < karasz> rehi mnemoc 00:58 < mnemoc> rxr: great to know you will finally remove it 00:58 < rxr> i686 is pentiumpro 00:58 < axion> i'll be building a distro for a athlon-tbird and a p4...so i dont want to optimize for a specific architecture 00:58 < axion> oh ok 00:58 < axion> thank you 00:59 < rxr> no problem 00:59 < rxr> maybe we should include generic i686 for peoples orientation there 00:59 < karasz> rxr i guess i'll wait to break again or finish, or should i control-c now? 01:00 < axion> well, i'll let you all know how epsilon works in a little bit :) 01:00 < rxr> karasz: one second 01:00 < rxr> .oO(we already know about some regressions ...) 01:01 < axion> is there a list? 01:01 < rxr> yes, via irc log ,=) 01:02 < axion> hehe 01:02 < rxr> most is fixed in trukn alreadyu 01:02 < rxr> if you built from source best checkout the SVN trunk 01:02 < axion> anything major? should i abort and get svn now? 01:02 < rxr> though some 3rd party linux kernel modules might still break :-( 01:02 < karasz> and linux24 01:03 < axion> hmm, i build a static kernel. not worried there 01:08 < CIA-2> rene * r14251 /trunk/target/install/init: 01:08 < CIA-2> * fixed floppy disk drive labeling in the rewritten 1st stage install 01:08 < CIA-2> loader 01:10 < rxr> ah - so 01:10 < rxr> finally the apple keyboard for the dual core box 01:10 < mnemoc> what about mips parts? 01:10 < rxr> my former two apple pro keyboard have all be carried away by evil people 01:10 * rxr looks to valentin and susan ... 01:10 < mnemoc> *G* 01:11 < rxr> mnemoc: same oops due segfaults ... - maybe it is rather kernel bug then ... 01:11 < rxr> but now I have a 2nd system board and CPU for exchange - not too bad for 20EUR 01:11 < rxr> mnemoc: any bets how long this keyboard will survive on my desk? 01:11 * rxr fears mnemoc is the next one needing one ... 01:12 < mnemoc> nah ,-) 01:13 < mnemoc> _my_ p3/450 has it's own keyboard 01:13 < rxr> we'll see once you see it ...^W^W have it under your hands 01:14 < mnemoc> :) 01:14 * rxr ordering the 4th of those just in case ... 01:15 < CIA-2> rene * r14252 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/ (xorg.conf.example xorg.conf.template): 01:15 < CIA-2> * fixed rgb "database" .txt file location in xorg.conf templates for 01:15 < CIA-2> the new (and saner) location in .../share (X11R7) 01:17 < rxr> so - bed soon 01:17 < karasz> rxr i made that by hand ;) 01:17 < rxr> and tomorrow I should build a new kernel for the dual core ppc64 - if benh would now I still run the first revision of the fan control patch we would go crazzy 01:18 < rxr> karasz: the rgb ? 01:18 < karasz> yup 01:18 < rxr> karasz: always report - saves everyones time .-) 01:18 < mnemoc> karasz: if you fix, send the patch 01:18 < mnemoc> yep 01:18 < rxr> karasz: have you built glib12 with [F] AUTOMAKE-QUIRK already ? 01:18 < karasz> i changed the path in the xorg.conf file 01:18 < karasz> leaved the rgb where it was 01:19 < karasz> nope 01:19 < rxr> karasz: as a rule of thumb: such stuff is considered a defect and should be fixed ASAP ;-) 01:19 < karasz> build is stil runnin' 01:19 < rxr> can you test glib12 and gtk+12 with that flag for me ? 01:19 < karasz> i will report from now on 01:19 < karasz> if you wait a little 01:19 < karasz> i will ctrl -c 01:20 < rxr> karasz: yep - report each bug - if noone is around here oben one in our issue tracker: http://trac.t2-project.org 01:20 < rxr> karasz: would be nice to know while I toothbrush 01:20 < karasz> i new trac 01:20 < karasz> just i didn't used it lately 01:20 < rxr> mnemoc: we need mail notifications from trac ... :-( 01:22 < mnemoc> trac? what's that? 01:22 < karasz> i cannot find glib12 01:22 < karasz> :( 01:22 < rxr> mnemoc: ? 01:22 < karasz> where should be the .desc? 01:22 < rxr> karasz: gnome14 01:23 < rxr> karasz: ./misc/archive/Find.sh is your friend 01:23 < karasz> i cannot find it because i am tired not because it is not there... 01:23 < mnemoc> karasz: vi package/*/glib12/*.desc 01:23 < rxr> k# ./misc/archive/Find.sh glib12 01:23 < rxr> Searching for matching package names ... 01:23 < rxr> gnome14/glib12 01:24 < karasz> found it 01:24 < rxr> ,-) 01:24 < karasz> relaunched Build 01:24 < rxr> karasz: you do not have write access? 01:24 < karasz> where? 01:24 < rxr> to t2 SVN I mean .. 01:24 < karasz> no 01:25 < karasz> i do not deserve that 01:25 < rxr> think sooner than later should hand it to you 01:25 < karasz> it is better this way 01:25 < karasz> rxr let me ask for it 01:25 < karasz> when i will feel ready 01:25 < rxr> ok 01:25 < MisterN> n8 01:26 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CDE26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Wieso gibt es keine guten Quitmessages? Jaja, diese ist auch doof."] 01:26 < karasz> before build i should have done smth? 01:26 < karasz> after changing .descs? 01:26 < mnemoc> run Config 01:26 < karasz> wirh -oldconfig? 01:26 < mnemoc> yes 01:27 < rxr> for that Flag ? 01:27 < rxr> just edit should have done 01:27 < rxr> it still fails ? 01:28 < karasz> now i am buildin python and i do not know why... 01:28 < rxr> karasz: ah 01:28 < rxr> karasz: you need to rm the err file 01:28 < karasz> oki 01:28 < mnemoc> the flags are read from config/$config/packages, which is generated by Config 01:29 < rxr> by default after stage 4 errors are not considered too harmful and the build id not stopped nor packages rebuld on error 01:29 < mnemoc> in some cases Build-Target magicly detects the changes and force a Config -oldconfig, but not always 01:29 < rxr> mnemoc: magically as in file mod time 01:29 < mnemoc> rxr: yep, t2 magic ,-) 01:30 < rxr> karasz: you can keep the build going and rm the err file from somewhere else 01:30 < rxr> t2 build will detect that and build glib12 then, e.g. after python finished 01:30 * rxr bed now 01:30 < rxr> n8 all - have fun 01:30 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 01:30 < karasz> now buildin glib12 01:30 < karasz> n8 rxr 01:31 < karasz> glib12 built fine 01:32 < karasz> i will soon begin sleep cycle too 01:33 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEFC79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 01:33 * karasz pushes sleep cycle a little more ;) 01:33 < karasz> hi new kid on the block ;) 01:33 < morfoh> re hi :) 01:33 < axion> why does the minimal target install dietlibc when i selected glibc? 01:34 < morfoh> axion: I guess because it's a dependency for some other package(s) 01:34 < karasz> morfoh, frappr kindly anounced me that i have a new friend in the form of a rabbit 01:34 < karasz> ;) 01:35 < morfoh> karasz: what do you have against my outlook ? :p 01:35 < karasz> outlook? ;D 01:36 < morfoh> karasz: ok ... the ears are a bit long ... but ... :D 01:36 < karasz> yeah i will have handles then... :))) 01:36 < axion> also it installs a few different shells and other packages not needed...i need to read up on making a new target. minimal is misleading 01:37 < morfoh> axion: yes ... you're welcome to contribute a new target ;) 01:37 < morfoh> axion: anyway I think he minimal target wasn't touched for some time 01:38 < axion> been using lfs for years...new to this :) 01:38 < karasz> rabbit eat the t 01:38 < axion> but i like it a lot 01:38 < morfoh> axion: good to hear ;) 01:39 < mnemoc> axion: we have t2-powered.net for t2 powered projects, including svn 01:39 < karasz> axion beware T2 should be listed as illegal drug 01:39 < karasz> it is addictive 01:39 < axion> mnemoc: thanks, bookmarked it 01:39 < morfoh> axion: I think t2 will help you to refine your "lfs-target" 01:40 < morfoh> re hi master mnemoc :p 01:40 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 01:40 < morfoh> hi mnemoc 01:41 < axion> yeah...i'm going to attempt to create a target for a more minimal system like LFS 01:41 < mnemoc> if you need svn space, ask rxr for it 01:41 < mnemoc> we haven't automatized t2-powered yet 01:42 < axion> ok, will do 01:43 < rxr> axion: minimal includes dietlibc for the initramfs 01:43 < rxr> we have some static linked mini user-space in it 01:44 < karasz> rxr back, glib12 built fine 01:44 < rxr> consisting of dietlibc, embutils, minised and disktype 01:44 < morfoh> oh! hi rxr :) 01:44 < rxr> karasz: read that 01:44 < rxr> hi morfoh 01:44 < karasz> why aren't you in bed by now? 01:44 < rxr> axion: minimal is minimal working t2 userland 01:44 < axion> ahh. i wouldnt want a few other uneeded stuff like cpio, ed, and a few others installed either 01:44 < morfoh> karasz: that was my question 01:44 < rxr> oh - and pdksh, statically linked, is also for the initrd magic 01:44 * karasz shuold really stop sending people to bed.... 01:44 < rxr> beside that minimal is pretty minimal 01:45 < rxr> however defining your own even more minimal is just fine ,-) 01:45 < rxr> e.g. see how the build of certain stuff with dietlibc is forced in the generic target where the minimal is layed upp0no 01:45 < rxr> morfoh: thanks for the christmas greeting - I hope you had nice days too 01:45 < rxr> and I whish you go get good into the new year ,-) 01:46 < morfoh> rxr: yeah ... thanks ;) 01:46 < morfoh> rxr: are back in town ? 01:46 < morfoh> are you 01:46 < rxr> morfoh: yep - sice a few howers 01:46 < rxr> if I would not hate SMS soo much I would have simsed back ... 01:46 < morfoh> rxr: hehe ... good to hear :) 01:46 < mnemoc> rxr: cliff is also in town ,-) 01:46 < rxr> but anything slower than mosing is kinda avoided by me ... 01:46 * morfoh also hates SMS 01:47 < morfoh> but I had no internet connection there ;) 01:47 < rxr> mnemoc: fear so ,-) 01:47 < rxr> around the CCC it should be pretty easy ... 01:47 < morfoh> cliffi baby is spying out our head quarter ;) 01:47 < rxr> if I would have more time I would to see what rockers ae going to do there 01:48 < rxr> but most probably nothing serious beside pizza and coke trashing ... ,-) 01:48 < morfoh> rxr: where do they are ? 01:48 < mnemoc> drink? 01:48 < rxr> morfoh: CCC 01:48 < morfoh> rxr: I'm living 5min away from CCC ;) 01:48 < morfoh> rxr: so I can go there ... spying for t2 :p 01:48 < mnemoc> visit daja :) 01:49 < axion> rxr: i'd ask for some svn space to get started with, but i'm a cvs guy...never touched svn before so i don't know where to begin yet 01:49 < CIA-2> rene * r14253 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * marked glib12 gtk+12 and links AUTOMAKE-QUIRK 01:49 < rxr> axion: I can hand you svn space tomorrow 01:49 < morfoh> axion: svnbook.org is a good starting point 01:49 < rxr> axion: from a user view svn usage is pretty cvs, e.g. svn co, svn up, ... 01:49 < rxr> nothing much to learn 01:50 < rxr> exept you can svn mv, svn cp, ... 01:50 < axion> ok :) 01:50 < rxr> and that you should commit whole changesets that get a uniq revision and thus belong together 01:50 < rxr> so - /me really sleeping now, turion already waming the pillow 01:51 < axion> gnight 01:51 < rxr> I just wanted to flush the AUTOMAKE-QUIRK flags from the box 01:51 < morfoh> rxr: I will need some svn space too for the wrt54 target 01:51 < rxr> karasz: if you experience more x86_64 not present just add this new tag ,-) 01:51 < rxr> morfoh: no problem 01:51 < karasz> oki rxr 01:51 < rxr> I can setup a repo tomorrow on http://svn.exactcode.de 01:51 < karasz> libsigc++ fails 01:52 < karasz> i will look at it tommorow 01:52 < rxr> and we relocate it to t2-powered.org as soon as we set it up 01:52 < morfoh> rxr: oki ... sleep well ... cu tomorrow then ;) 01:52 < rxr> karasz: ack - cu all 01:52 < rxr> n8 01:52 < karasz> n8 rxr 02:00 < karasz> cu guys latter 02:00 * karasz is begining long due sleep cycle 02:14 < YeT2> hi 02:14 < axion> hi 02:15 < YeT2> mnemoc: which mkinitrd is usually executed by linux26.conf aka linux24.conf ? 02:15 < YeT2> the one in build/blah/sbin ?? 02:16 < mnemoc> YeT2: there is a fix for mkinitrd on trunk, minute 02:16 < YeT2> probabbly I got the problem ! 02:21 < YeT2> it seems that yuletide comes with a mkinitrd which has a faulty "copying modules..." aka depmod ! 02:27 < mnemoc> YeT2: try http://pastebin.ca/raw/35113 02:37 < YeT2> :-) 02:37 < YeT2> :) 02:37 < mnemoc> applied? 02:37 < YeT2> yes ... and linux26 rescheduled 02:39 < YeT2> *gnn* finding files and then directing to /dev/null ... very original ! BTW : This was the reason I coludnt find any modules during installation of 2.1.0 ??? 02:41 < mnemoc> during installation of 2.1.0 ??? 02:42 < mnemoc> that bug was a wrong commit some days before 2.2.0-epsilon tag 02:44 < YeT2> when i tried to load modules from my installer iso for 2.1.0 NO modules (e.g. usb_storage) could be found ... initrd seemed to contain NOTHING ... checked on the shell 02:46 < mnemoc> modules on 2.1 installer are only available on stage 1, i.e. before selecting '2nd stage image' 02:47 < mnemoc> initrd does nothing on 2.1 02:48 < YeT2> hmmm ... would have been nice to see my usb-HD at installation time 02:49 < YeT2> i could only see IDE HDs 02:52 < YeT2> btw ... if everything goes fine : I'm planning to setup an SDE for mastering USB-Targets and Compact-flash targets/installations ... 02:53 < mnemoc> that is planned for 2.2 02:54 < YeT2> of course I have to add some init.d/script to a runlevel to remount a compact-flash or USB stick "readonly" and to generate a ramdisk for /tmp and partially /var 02:54 < YeT2> COOL ... any target already in development ? 02:56 < mnemoc> output formats are common to any target/build now 02:57 < mnemoc> new output formats will be added 02:57 < YeT2> great ! 02:58 < YeT2> Q : since udev is the new standard : is /dev a pseudo filesystem or has it still to be readwrite on / ? 02:58 < mnemoc> initrd handles that 02:59 < YeT2> what about hotplug devices ? 02:59 < mnemoc> download 2.2.0-epsilon minimal iso and give it a try ,-) 03:00 < YeT2> kewl ... i will (as soon my first build is successful!) 03:00 < mnemoc> try the iso ,-) 03:00 < mnemoc> rene drop blod on his keyboard to get it 03:00 < mnemoc> blood 03:00 < YeT2> ok ... this is convincing ... i will immeiately ! 03:01 < mnemoc> :) 03:03 < YeT2> ... ongoing ... Q: on which base (yuletide?) was it buildt ? 03:05 < mnemoc> rene's boxes 03:06 < mnemoc> T2 2.1++ 03:07 < YeT2> hopefully in 2.2.0 final we have the functionality/packages to build such targets :) 03:08 < mnemoc> 2006 Q1 03:09 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-255-73.eugn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:09 < YeT2> exciting ! ... any help / testing / feedback needed ? 03:12 < YeT2> BIG BANG : 5-linux26 SUCCESSFUL ! 03:13 < axion> hmmm, gcc compilation failed with 2.2 epsilon 03:19 < mnemoc> axion: paste the last ... 100? lines of the buildlog please 03:19 < mnemoc> axion: or publish (http) a regression report 03:21 < axion> sure...1 min 03:24 < axion> http://pastebin.com/482393 03:24 < axion> sorry for the bad formatting 03:26 < mnemoc> cannot find -lgcc_s 03:26 < mnemoc> uhm 03:26 < YeTyTwo> bye 03:27 < mnemoc> axion: are you using trunk:HEAD ? 03:28 < axion> no, using http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/t2-2.2.0-epsilon.tar.bz2 03:28 < mnemoc> if you can, please use svn. 03:29 < axion> alright 03:29 < mnemoc> on what stage was that? 03:29 < axion> i'm not sure...this is my first time building t2 03:30 < mnemoc> :) 03:30 < mnemoc> Build-Target output tells you 03:30 < mnemoc> something like [2] gcc 03:30 < mnemoc> or 2-gcc 03:31 < mnemoc> means stage 2, package gcc :) 03:31 < mnemoc> axion: what is your host os? 03:32 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFEB11.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["zzzZZZzzz und denk dran ihr zu smsen!!!!!!!!!!"] 03:32 < axion> i did that...seems to be resuming gcc...doesnt say which stage 03:32 < axion> host is LFS 6.1.1 03:33 -!- YeT2 [n=perdiT2@i53878D41.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:33 < mnemoc> paste your Build-Target output here 03:33 < mnemoc> the red line 03:34 < axion> i dont have a red line 03:34 < mnemoc> == 22:44:14 =[9]=> Building develop/clip [1.1.15-1 2.1-stable]. <--- pink ,-) 03:34 < axion> oh...magenta here 03:34 < axion> == 21:34:02 =[1]=> Building base/gcc [4.0.2 2.2.0-alpha]. 03:35 < mnemoc> that can be translated as: at 22:44:14 package clip from repository develop at stage 9, version 1.1.15-1 over a T2 2.1-stable has started 03:35 < mnemoc> yes, magenta 03:35 < mnemoc> so 1-gcc 03:35 < axion> ah ok 03:37 < mnemoc> do you have libgcc_s.so on host? 03:37 < axion> yes 03:37 < mnemoc> i'll start a build of minimal/trunk now to see... 03:38 * mnemoc downloading.... 03:39 < axion> ok, also for optimization type i picked speed, not size. but some stuff was compiling with -Os 03:39 < mnemoc> that shouldn't affect 03:39 < axion> i've had compile failures like crazy with -Os with LFS 03:39 < mnemoc> but on last benchmarks i saw, size is faster than speed :) 03:40 < axion> yes it is, but it fails too much on my PC 03:40 < axion> i use it when i can...everything else i use -O3 03:40 < mnemoc> i configured a default generic/minimal/livecd + XTRACE 03:40 < mnemoc> let see what i get 03:41 < mnemoc> but from trunk:HEAD, not yuletide tag 03:41 < axion> ok 03:44 < axion> removed yuletide...grabbing svn now 03:45 < mnemoc> save your download/ ,-) 03:46 < mnemoc> Download -alt-dir ../../another/location let you get hardlinks on download/, so save space 03:46 < axion> yeah...seems to be big. already at 150mb 03:46 < axion> ah there 03:46 < mnemoc> svn has lot of overhead 03:49 < mnemoc> # du -sh t2-trunk-pristine/ 03:49 < mnemoc> 185M t2-trunk-pristine/ 03:49 < axion> du -sh t2-trunk/ 03:49 < axion> 128Mt2-trunk/ 03:49 < axion> oops 03:49 < axion> 162 total 03:50 < axion> well thats compiling 03:51 < mnemoc> == 23:49:53 =[0]=> Building base/gcc [4.0.2 2.2.0-alpha]. 03:51 < axion> you got a while yet :) i was over an hour into it on a 3ghz/1gb ram with tmpfs 03:53 < mnemoc> that's better than mine ,-) 03:53 < mnemoc> but sata 03:53 < axion> me too...just got a raptor 03:53 < mnemoc> :D 04:02 < axion> what is pristine? 04:03 < mnemoc> 'virgin' 04:03 < mnemoc> untouched 04:04 < mnemoc> without local changes 04:04 < axion> oh ok 04:04 < mnemoc> axion: where are you from? 04:05 < axion> new york 04:05 < mnemoc> :) 04:05 < mnemoc> http://www.frappr.com/t2 04:06 < axion> added me 04:06 < mnemoc> cool :) 04:06 < mnemoc> thanks 04:06 < mnemoc> too many europeans on that map 04:07 < axion> hehe i see 04:07 < mnemoc> we need to get people from this side of the world 04:07 < axion> where are you? 04:08 < mnemoc> chile 04:08 < axion> ah 04:08 < axion> cool 04:08 * Stelz is away: dropped to bed.. 04:09 < Stelz> heh 04:09 < Stelz> 'night all 04:09 < Stelz> :) 04:09 * Stelz Date/Time is now [ Thu Dec 29 06:07:40 ] 04:09 < Stelz> oops 04:09 * Stelz dropped :) 04:09 < mnemoc> == 00:03:24 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [20051128 2.2.0-alpha]. 04:09 < mnemoc> gn8 Stelz 04:10 < axion> night 04:13 < axion> The Chile mirror is going too slow...wish there was a USA mirror 04:14 < mnemoc> chilean mirror is a DSL line 04:15 < mnemoc> if you can provide a mirror at US, it would be great :) 04:15 < axion> somehow the script picked it when it got the highest ping 04:15 < mnemoc> it's not ping, it's throughput 04:15 < mnemoc> a 1M file 04:15 < axion> i'll see what i can do...ah ok 04:18 < axion> do i need svn to host a http:// svn mirror? 04:18 < axion> i have an account (non-root) on a 100mbps box that i could use 04:19 < axion> with just apache/ssh 04:19 < mnemoc> :D 04:19 < mnemoc> that's enough 04:19 < axion> but i cant install subversion 04:20 < mnemoc> you don't need subversion to host a mirror 04:20 < axion> ok 04:37 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178150231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 04:37 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-) 04:37 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Mon Dec 26 15:20:28 2005] 04:37 [Users #t2] 04:37 [@ChanServ] [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ LMJ ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly_] 04:37 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-2 ] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ] 04:37 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ keinek] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ valentin ] 04:37 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 04:37 -!- [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). 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Thanks! 04:37 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 04:37 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178186148.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:37 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 04:44 < mnemoc> 8,8G t2-download/mirror/ 04:46 < mnemoc> ok.... building is going, no info to start uploading yet... so... good night ,-) see you tomorrow morning 04:49 < axion> mnemoc: read query 04:50 < axion> oh ok..missed you 04:52 < mnemoc> i still here 04:53 < mnemoc> you need to be registered to send private messages :) 04:53 < mnemoc> registered and identified to nickserv 04:53 < axion> yeah yeah, i'm too lazy :p 04:53 < axion> doing now 04:53 < mnemoc> welcome to 'free'node 04:54 < axion> my nick expired for not being here so long 04:54 < mnemoc> :) 04:55 < axion> nope...someone stole it 04:56 < mnemoc> :( 04:57 < mnemoc> amery at geeks dot cl ? 04:57 < axion> ? 04:58 -!- axion is now known as axion_ 04:58 < mnemoc> if you want to give me private info 04:58 < axion_> oh you didnt get it? 04:59 < mnemoc> i have get nothing on query from you 04:59 < axion_> now? 05:23 < mnemoc> ok.... upload in progress... time to sleep :) 06:03 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:04 < axion_> i get the same error compiling gcc with yuletide and svn trunk :( 06:08 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 06:42 -!- sparc-kly__ [n=mubex@64.237.244.217] has joined #t2 07:04 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.241.0] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:44 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.240.190] has joined #t2 08:05 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.56] has joined #t2 08:05 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.15] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 08:05 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 08:12 -!- sparc-kly__ [n=mubex@64.237.244.217] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:47 -!- mipe [n=mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 10:38 -!- keinek_ [n=keinek@201.250.7.43] has joined #t2 10:52 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.250.13.157] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:15 < mipe> hmm, libtool is broken on trunk 11:30 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.240.190] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:31 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.240.190] has joined #t2 11:46 < rxr_> re 11:52 < mtr> moin rxr_ 11:52 < rxr_> mipe: are you sure ? 11:52 < rxr_> moin mipe 11:52 < rxr_> moin mtr, even 12:15 < mipe> hi rxr,mtr 12:16 < mipe> rxr_: looks like it, or gcc. but i'm pretty sure its libtool. some lib dir problems. libstdc++ errors 12:21 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.101.224] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:22 < rxr_> mipe: hm 12:22 < rxr_> mipe: in pcre ? 12:22 < rxr_> karaz saw s.th. like that 12:23 < rxr_> then it is most probably due to libtool update :-(( 12:23 < rxr_> load average: 6.25, 5.98, 4.46 12:23 < rxr_> `- mnemoc dual core building 2.1 powerpc* ISOs ... 12:24 * rxr_ breakfast 12:49 < karasz> moin everyone 12:52 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AF8D46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 13:04 < valentin> moin 13:05 < karasz> hello valentin 13:05 < valentin> hi karasz 13:08 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AF878B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:10 < rxr_> re 13:10 -!- You're now known as rxr 13:10 < rxr> moin karasz 13:10 < karasz> hello rxr 13:10 < rxr> hi valentin 13:11 < karasz> rxr nice and shini just like mnemoc likes it : http://www.x5.ro/regression/regressions.html 13:11 < rxr> karasz: maybe pcre breakage is due to libtool update 13:11 < rxr> karasz: I have no gui browser around - I take a look as soon as one is handy 13:11 < karasz> a lot of breaks are due to libs misunderstanding 13:11 < rxr> valentin: any idea when you start traveling 'round? 13:12 < rxr> karasz: need to get some browser onto this new ppc64 workstation 13:12 < rxr> I do not love links that much to bother viewing the page with it 14:14 < mipe> rxr: not just pcre, lots of packages fail due to trying to link against 32bit when it should do 64bit 14:17 < mipe> btw. could someone provide webspace for regression logs? 14:17 < karasz> mipe Entropy has a problem 14:18 < karasz> it needs evfs but thjat is disabled by default 14:19 < mipe> i have 102 broken packages on trunk desktop, most of them are due to wrong lib linking 14:21 < mipe> karasz: you may need to enable it by X evfs from config 14:23 < karasz> i know that 14:23 < mtr_> karasz, mipe: do not care about evfs and entropy, it is highly unstable, you should rather make entropy otional 14:23 < karasz> but someone should do smth about it 14:23 < mtr_> optional* 14:24 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 14:36 < rxr> mipe: I could provide webspace 14:37 < mnemoc> moin! 14:37 < rxr> moin mnemoc 14:37 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.1.1 (tag) or branch? 14:37 < mnemoc> moin rxr! 14:37 < karasz> moin mnemoc 14:37 < rxr> define 2.1.1 branch 14:38 < mnemoc> rxr: are you using the tag or the branch for the build? 14:38 < rxr> in fact I use the branch 14:38 < mnemoc> :( 14:38 < rxr> why ? 14:39 < mnemoc> they have different sdever, so different /etc/VERSION, etc... which produce troubles on stuff like 'sam' which detects the running version 14:40 < rxr> it fails early anyway 14:40 < rxr> if it makes you happy I can switch to the tag 14:40 < mnemoc> *G* 14:40 < karasz> mnemoc, i posted a regresion the way you like it :) 14:41 < mnemoc> karasz: it just a way to not need to ask you again and again for files :) 14:41 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/regression/regressions.html 14:41 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, http://axion.yi.org/t2/ <--- mirror candidate... but i need about 4 day to finish uploading files :( 14:41 < karasz> yes that is right with eer.txt included 14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: did you see karasz' ? 14:42 < karasz> not yet 14:42 < rxr> mnemoc: what upload files do you mean? 14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: source tarballs 14:43 < mnemoc> rxr: a mirror at 100mbps on USA is good 14:43 < rxr> mnemoc: did he already said to like to mirror the sources ? 14:43 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm uploading seen 10 hours ago to his box :) 14:43 < mnemoc> since* 14:44 < rxr> mnemoc: I would rather see one source for mirroring 14:44 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.1.1 desktop and minimal for p4 finish uploading to gsmp 14:44 < rxr> can we work together in some way to unify our two seeds ? 14:44 < mnemoc> rxr: sure 14:45 < rxr> mnemoc: my plan is to seed at least two more mirros in different locations here in berlin the next month 14:45 < rxr> independed boxes, not at evil, controlling unis .. 14:45 < mnemoc> that would be great 14:46 < karasz> entropy marked O 14:46 < rxr> mnemoc: are you sure the url you have above is permanent? 14:46 < rxr> or if t2 does not fill his needs be gone in some days ? 14:46 < rxr> ^W weeks ? 14:46 < mnemoc> rxr: good question 14:47 < rxr> ok - let's wait then with listing it in the cgi multiplexer, or should I add it now ? 14:47 < rxr> mnemoc: so just let's work hard to make him a happy t2 users ... 14:47 < rxr> what is he doing with t2 ? 14:48 < mnemoc> LFS user trying to make his own distributable distribution 14:48 < rxr> ah 14:48 < mnemoc> and i'll not stop him refusing to upload files to his 'mirror' 14:49 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. dual core box now has fan control #2 - that is more temperature sensors online and fans feed with signals ... 14:49 < mnemoc> rsync -aH limited to 20kbps anyway 14:49 < rxr> e.g. I know have a temperature data point of the HD, chipset and what was the other thing ... 14:49 < rxr> well - atl least many ... 14:49 < mnemoc> rxr: by benh or bash? ,-) 14:49 < rxr> from our IBM coding slaves ... 14:50 < mnemoc> :D 14:50 < rxr> backside-fan 1100 14:50 < rxr> cpu-front-fan-0 485 14:50 < rxr> cpu-front-fan-1 485 14:50 < rxr> cpu-rear-fan-0 500 14:50 < rxr> cpu-rear-fan-1 500 14:50 < rxr> drive-bay-fan 1000 14:50 < rxr> slots-fan 1560 14:50 < rxr> cpu-temp-0 55.234 14:50 < rxr> cpu-temp-1 54.031 14:50 < rxr> hd-temp 25.500 14:50 < rxr> u4-temp 48.000 14:50 < mnemoc> 7 fans??! 14:50 < rxr> the old agnig, to be shut down IBM RS6k is way loauder ... 14:50 < mipe> what box is that? 14:51 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - s.th. like that - the 2 CPU boxes even have a water pump ... 14:51 < rxr> mnemoc: the box is nearly noiseless ... 7 fans (or so) at very low speed 14:51 < rxr> mipe: dual core Apple box ... 14:51 < rxr> mipe: one cpu, two cores, 1.5GB RAM and the like 14:52 < rxr> mipe: but not the expensive 2 cpu thus quad core ... 14:52 < rxr> builds glibc in 20 minutes or so IIRC 14:52 < mipe> nice 14:52 < rxr> and it is noisless whith 100% load building t2 ... due to so many slowly rotating fans ... 14:54 < rxr> mnemoc: something is wrong building 2.1 on my trunk ppc box 14:54 < rxr> strange erros compiling 1-glibc ... 14:54 < rxr> parse errors in header I do not yet understand why they happen 14:54 < rxr> the box builds trunk just fine 14:54 < karasz> giys any ideea why all type1 fonts fail to build? 14:55 < karasz> i do not even see an error there 14:55 < rxr> karasz: what is the tail of the .err log ? 14:55 < mnemoc> rxr: even rebuilding? 14:55 < rxr> mnemoc: even running eval $MAKE $makeopt in the debug env 14:55 < mnemoc> outch 14:55 < rxr> err 0-gcc this is even 14:55 < mnemoc> do your fixes on the tag and i merge the back 14:55 < mnemoc> oh 14:56 < rxr> mnemoc: it might be rather something to new on the box or so 14:56 < mnemoc> them back* 14:56 < rxr> doubt that is a 2.1 regression or so 14:56 < karasz> i guess that this is the relevant part: 14:56 < karasz> /usr/X11/bin/fc-cache /usr/X11R7/lib64/X11/fonts/Type1 14:56 < karasz> Fontconfig error: "local.conf", line 1: not well-formed (invalid token) 14:56 < rxr> karasz: ouh 14:56 < rxr> karasz: yeah - someone injected a copyright update and the local.conf was interpreted as shell script rather than xml file 14:57 < mnemoc> oops 14:58 < mnemoc> was it me? 14:58 < CIA-2> rene * r14254 /trunk/package/xorg/fontconfig/ (fontconfig.conf fonts-local fonts-local.conf): 14:58 < CIA-2> * removed syntax error copyright note from fontconfig/fonts-local.conf 14:58 < CIA-2> and renamed it so it is not automatically injected again 14:58 < rxr> mnemoc: have not tracked the log 14:58 < mnemoc> rxr: can we .xml xml files on $confdir ? so Create-CopyPatch can be aware? 14:58 < rxr> mnemoc: and add a xml copyright mode ? 14:58 < rxr> it is fine with me if that file does not get a copright anyway 14:59 < rxr> let me check 14:59 < rxr> IIRC it is obsolete anyway ... 14:59 < mnemoc> rxr: we could skip .xml files 14:59 < mnemoc> rxr: as we skip .cache 14:59 < rxr> I renamed without ext 14:59 < rxr> should be ignore then IIRC 14:59 < mnemoc> .xml would be ignored too 14:59 < rxr> well welformed xml comments should be accepted by any xml parser, no ? 15:00 < rxr> karasz: can you retry with a rebuild fontconfig package ? 15:00 < karasz> should I svn something? 15:00 < mnemoc> yes 15:00 < karasz> or what? 15:00 < mnemoc> inside a CDATA[] block i guess 15:00 < mnemoc> karasz: svn up 15:01 < rxr> karasz: or just svn up package/xorg/fontconfig 15:01 < rxr> but svn up is usually as fine as well to get all latest fixes ;-) 15:01 < karasz> svn up http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/ ? 15:02 < karasz> svn up http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/ even ? 15:02 < rxr> karasz: svn up in your checkout 15:02 < rxr> svn knows the right url due to .svn meta-data 15:04 < karasz> done 15:04 < karasz> how do i instruct Build to rebuild fontconfig? 15:05 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.102.184] has joined #t2 15:05 < Baldzius> moin 15:05 < karasz> moin Baldzius 15:06 < karasz> should i rm the fontconfig.log? 15:06 < Baldzius> hi karasz 15:06 < rxr> karasz: yes 15:10 < karasz> fontconfig built ok 15:10 < rxr> and the fonts ? 15:12 < karasz> not yet 15:12 < karasz> buildin ladspa libdv... 15:12 < karasz> libraw1394 15:12 < karasz> gpgme 15:12 < karasz> did i missed smth? 15:12 < rxr> karasz: rm the font .err that you would like to see gone ? 15:12 < karasz> i made an -oldconfig after svn up 15:12 < karasz> oki 15:12 < rxr> karasz: by default t2 does not rebuild .err automatically starting at stage 5 15:13 < rxr> if you want to have a .err package rebuilt, you need to rm the .err 15:13 < rxr> or raise the fail and auto rebuild to stage higher 15:13 < rxr> but then it would stop at every error 15:13 < rxr> or enable the rebuidl all err in the config 15:13 < rxr> both not that recommended to non-core people doing builds 15:13 < rxr> I think 15:15 < karasz> hmm nope 15:15 < karasz> fonts do not build... 15:15 < rxr> what error now ? 15:15 < karasz> sec 15:15 < rxr> I think I'll start a x86-64 build on y subnoti ... 15:16 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/VYWAmb57.html <--- if you will depend this much on host, you have to make System-Check much more complete :( 15:17 < mnemoc> but at least it built flawless 15:17 < mnemoc> minimal/pmmx 15:17 < rxr> mnemoc: who is that ? 15:18 < rxr> the mod* dependencies are "easy to avoid" 15:18 < rxr> I have this on my TODO already 15:18 < rxr> I want to not regenreate the whole initrd, but just append the live/install stuff 15:18 < rxr> saving more cpu cycles and this depends ... 15:18 < rxr> we could use our own stage - cpio 15:18 < karasz> no visible error 15:18 < karasz> just :Fond shared files with other packages: 15:18 < rxr> but cpio is needed for initrd tinkery 15:18 < rxr> karasz: which files ? 15:19 < mnemoc> rxr: that was on my builder 15:19 < rxr> you build t2 ? 15:20 < karasz> font-adobe-utopia-type1, font-bh-type1 bitstream-type1, ibm-type1, xfree86-type1 15:20 < rxr> mnemoc: trunk I mean ? 15:20 < mnemoc> rxr: sure, trunk:HEAD 15:20 < rxr> mnemoc: .oO 15:20 < rxr> mnemoc: well - do you need that urgently or did you just wanted to test ? 15:20 < mnemoc> rxr: just for fun 15:20 < mnemoc> rxr: to know what to answer people 15:21 < rxr> ok - I'll change initrd for livecd/install to just add files not regen the whole module mess the next days, 4fun 15:21 < rxr> mnemoc: when all goes well I'll also test minimal-ppc on valentin's iBook totay 15:21 < rxr> today 15:21 < karasz> Found shared files with other packages: 15:21 < karasz> var/cache/fontconfig/a38b073b3594017b5ef23885b256174e.cache-2: font-adobe-utopia-type1 font-bh-type1 font-bitstream-type1 font-ibm-type1 font-xfree86-type1 15:21 < rxr> and hack the ppc64 to boot on my dual core mac tomorrow or so - at least over the weekend 15:22 < rxr> but I have to do some usb kernel debugging for archivista and some uni stuff 15:22 < rxr> karasz: oh - ah - yes I saw this already as well 15:22 < mnemoc> 2.1.1 desktop for 750? 15:22 < rxr> let me medidate a bit how to fix that ... 15:22 < mnemoc> ok 15:22 < karasz> till then build is runnin' 15:22 < rxr> mnemoc: that is in theory building - but in practice stalled with /me investigating what's wrong with 0-gcc 15:23 < karasz> but i guess that lib stuff is more important than fonts 15:23 < rxr> karasz: yes 15:23 < rxr> karasz: I just prepare to start a desktop trunk build in my happer just to track them all 15:23 < karasz> if you want i can provide access... 15:24 < rxr> karasz: nah - enough to do already 15:24 < karasz> oki 15:24 < rxr> i have seen them and they are sort of known 15:24 < karasz> jus because you said that you want to build other stuff 15:25 < rxr> hm 15:25 < rxr> when I build with -E to see the preprocessing (in this failing 2.1 stuff) gcc does ICE ... 15:26 < rxr> ../../gcc/crtstuff.c:0: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault 15:26 < rxr> Please submit a full bug report, 15:26 < rxr> with preprocessed source if appropriate. 15:26 < rxr> See for instructions. 15:26 < rxr> in the middle of preprocessing 15:26 < karasz> ouch 15:27 < rxr> where "with preprocessed source" is kinda funny when it ICEs while preprocessing .-) 15:29 < mnemoc> mtr and nzg live in the same town :) 15:29 < rxr> nice to see the t2 map filling - and this does not even include people like lars or martin ... or someone from archivista 15:29 < rxr> not to mention other users that do not even have a clue they are using t2 ... 15:30 < mnemoc> i see the map as 't2 community map' and not necesarily 't2 users map' 15:30 < rxr> mnemoc: yesterday I again impressed my farther cloning his t2 workstation to a new hd withint minutes ... and then with T2 just recognizing and working flawlessly with his Digital Video Boardcasting satelite card that had hickups under windows just fine without any interaction 15:31 < mnemoc> :D 15:31 < rxr> that is hotplug++ load the kernel modules and the gui stuff (most useful thing is kaffeine of kde) works better than the comercial app shipped with the card for windoze 15:32 * mnemoc wants to migrate mnemosyne to t2 2.2 :p 15:32 < rxr> usability wise properly configured t2 targets really play in the top-front - especially with hal doing volume management 15:33 < rxr> the most annoying bug with trunk right now is, that hotplug++ has some timing issues or so with firmware loading 15:33 < rxr> sometimes it fails ... 15:33 < mnemoc> how will you solve hotplug/rocknet conflict ? 15:33 < rxr> but I have a quite reproduceable setup with the ipw2200 card on my notebook where I can debug that 15:33 < karasz> checking system version (for dynamic loading)... ./configure: line 7338: syntax error near unexpected token `)' 15:33 < karasz> ./configure: line 7338: ` OSF*)' 15:33 < rxr> mnemoc: what cnflict ? 15:34 < rxr> karasz: bummer 15:34 < karasz> that is true for tcl, tk, expect 15:34 < mnemoc> hotplug++ starts the interface, and init.d/rc3.d/network try to do it again 15:34 < rxr> ah rocknet 15:34 < mnemoc> so some stuff gets duplicated 15:34 < rxr> well - have to meditate about that 15:35 < rxr> right now I want 2.1 building on my ppc workstation and then the remaining stuff can come 15:35 < mnemoc> i would just skip NICs when init.d/system is hotplug's ancestor 15:35 < mnemoc> yes, i want ppc iso :p 15:36 < rxr> and valentin should arrive here in some minutes (at least I hope so) thus hackery on t2 will stall in some minutes 15:36 < mnemoc> go ppc go 15:36 < rxr> mnemoc: and I want t2 first dist supporting new dual core macs ... 15:36 < rxr> go PR go ,-) 15:37 -!- axion [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 15:38 < axion> i'm getting command not found errors at the end of Build_Target 15:38 < rxr> axion: like modinfo and such ? 15:39 < axion> /home/axion/work/t2-trunk/target/install/build_initrd.sh: line 16: /home/axion/work/t2-trunk/misc/target/boot.in: No such file or directory 15:39 < axion> and a bunch more 15:39 < rxr> hm 15:39 < axion> with svn trunk 15:40 < CIA-2> rene * r14255 /trunk/misc/target/boot.in: * added forgottin misc/target/boot.in 15:40 < rxr> axion: ouhm - svn up and try again ;-) 15:40 < axion> i've tried on 2 hosts....lfs and t2-2.1 minimal 15:40 < rxr> sorry my fault 15:40 < axion> ok 15:41 < axion> how do i download what is new only? 15:43 < axion> oh svn up...duh 15:43 < rxr> either svn up that will get up 15:43 < rxr> and explicitly svn up misc/target/boot.in 15:43 < rxr> if you want avoid other fixes along the lines 15:43 < axion> too late 15:43 < rxr> other fixes along the lines are usually nice to have ,-) 15:44 < axion> seems to be just fontconfig since last night 15:44 < rxr> might be 15:44 < axion> oh btw 15:44 < axion> mnemoc is syncing his mirror with my 100mb line 15:44 < axion> i'm in USA 15:44 < rxr> read that, that is very nice 15:45 * Stelz is back (gone 11:36:16) 15:45 < rxr> axion: I hope you are become a long term t2 user and we have a long term US mirror then :-) 15:45 < rxr> s/are// 15:45 < rxr> mnemoc: looks I found a particularly nasty but I have to track on ppc* on 2.1 then ... 15:45 < rxr> bug 15:46 < axion> i will :) 15:46 < mnemoc> at least you find it ,-) 15:46 < mnemoc> hi axion 15:46 < axion> hey mnemoc 15:46 < karasz> hello axion 15:46 < rxr> mnemoc: i would prefer it 2.1 would just built as it did weeks ago 15:46 < rxr> mnemoc: but most probably due to newer gcc - not a 2.1 regression as it 15:47 < mnemoc> 0-* is highly host dependent 15:47 < axion> rxr: great, nice quick fix :) 15:48 < mnemoc> axion: t2 is agile :) 15:48 < axion> :) 15:48 < rxr> hm - that was a rocket just fired up here ... 15:49 < rxr> the usual people that can not wait for the new tears eve ... 15:50 < axion> where is the bootdisc target in 2.2? 15:50 < jsaw> re 15:51 < rxr> hi jsaw ! 15:51 < jsaw> "new tears eve" 15:51 < jsaw> hehe 15:51 < jsaw> that's a pun... 15:51 < jsaw> hi rxr 15:52 < axion> quick start guide says to select boot/install/rescue target...not seeing that 15:52 < mipe> axion: there no seperate bootdisk target in 2.2 anymore 15:52 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CDE26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 15:52 < jsaw> we've got to branch the manual... 15:53 < axion> oh...what do i do next then? 15:53 < MisterN> hi 15:53 < mnemoc> wb jsaw, MisterN 15:53 < jsaw> hi mnemoc , MisterN 15:53 < MisterN> i bought a new hdd and think i will install t2 on it. 15:53 < jsaw> axion: there's an option to make the target bootable 15:53 < mipe> axion: you can choose install/livecd on config under target distribution section 15:53 < mnemoc> MisterN: you just think? 15:54 < MisterN> mnemoc: not if you say "don't do it fool" :) 15:54 < mnemoc> MisterN: i wont say that, and you will install t2 on it 15:55 < MisterN> ok. sure. 15:55 < MisterN> and i will also install freebsd on it. 15:55 < axion> ok thanks :) 15:55 < axion> bbl...installing my t2 15:55 -!- axion [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 15:55 * mnemoc slaps MisterN 15:56 < MisterN> mnemoc: well i want to write a kqueue-based mainloop and to do so i need a *BSD 15:56 < mnemoc> ok, i forgive you. this time 15:57 < MisterN> oh thank you SO much 15:57 < MisterN> ;) 15:57 < mnemoc> :) 15:59 < mipe> damm its bit cold outside, about -15C 16:07 < rxr> mipe: -5C last night -2 right now - over here 16:08 -!- axion [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 16:08 < axion> ok i found another problem 16:09 < axion> made an ISO and burned...during booting ISO i get a kernel panic 16:09 < axion> unable to mount root fs: unknown-block(3,4) 16:09 < LMJ> rxr 1°c here ;) 16:10 < LMJ> hello axion 16:10 < axion> hi 16:10 < LMJ> what is your filesystem for / ? 16:10 < axion> reiserfs 16:10 < karasz> in what package is located kde-config? 16:10 < axion> but im not accessing it yet...this is during the boot cd 16:10 < rxr> axion: what did you built? 16:10 < rxr> axion: what config / target that is 16:10 < axion> rxr: minimal target 16:10 < MisterN> shall i download t2 2.2.0-epsilon? or shall i download something older? 16:11 < rxr> axion: minimal target without modifications / 16:11 < rxr> ? even 16:11 < jsaw> cu later 16:11 < LMJ> do you see in the boot sequence if your t2 load reiserfs support ? 16:11 < rxr> cu jsaw 16:11 < axion> rxr: yes 16:12 < axion> LMJ: i dont get into the boot sequence...this is before stage2 is even loaded on the bootcd 16:17 < rxr> axion: hm - can not say from here - my minimal worked some days ago 16:17 < axion> hmm 16:18 < axion> 2.1 minimal works fine 16:18 < axion> i just really need udev 16:19 < rxr> axion: do you get a fallback shell to debug ? 16:19 < axion> it halts on kernel panic 16:19 < rxr> could you publish the ISO? 16:19 < rxr> I could take a look 16:19 < rxr> in some hours 16:20 < axion> sure...i'm only 384K here though 16:26 < axion> rxr it'll take an hour to send to the 100mbit web server 16:26 < rxr> axion: ok - /me busy right now anyway ... 16:26 < axion> http://axion.yi.org/t2_cd1.iso 16:26 < axion> it'll be there in an hour 16:26 < rxr> ok 16:26 < axion> i have to go 16:26 < rxr> cu axion 16:26 < axion> thanks for the help 16:26 < karasz> cu axion 16:27 < axion> bye 16:29 < karasz> in what package is located kde-config? 16:29 < rxr> kdelibs or so I think 16:30 < rxr> or arts 16:35 < karasz> arts it is 16:36 < karasz> but arts failed due to that lib incompatibility so all kde is dead 16:40 < rxr> karasz: can you try do revert the libtool update ? 16:40 < rxr> i post the svn command for that in a second 16:40 < karasz> i do that while build is runnin or i have to stop? 16:41 < rxr> keep running ... ,-) 16:43 < rxr> svn merge -r14229:14228 16:43 < rxr> svn merge -r14230:14229 16:43 < rxr> should do 16:43 < karasz> both or the last? 16:44 < rxr> yep 16:44 < rxr> or just 16:44 < karasz> ? 16:44 < rxr> svn merge -r14230:14228 16:44 < karasz> oki 16:45 < karasz> it gives me a help... 16:45 < rxr> then add a . 16:45 < rxr> svn merge -r14230:14228 . 16:45 < karasz> i must be in t2-trunk? 16:45 < mipe> what was done on libtool update? just version bump or so? 16:46 < karasz> or just in /usr/src 16:46 < mnemoc> on libtool no update is harmless 16:46 < _Ragnar_> O_O 16:46 < karasz> in /t2-trunk 16:46 < _Ragnar_> no vserver patch for recent kernel :/ 16:46 < mnemoc> in your svn working copy 16:47 < karasz> root@karasz:/usr/src/t2-trunk# svn merge -r14230:14228 . 16:47 < mipe> so just version update? 16:47 < karasz> U package/base/libtool/libtool.desc 16:47 < karasz> A package/base/libtool/libtool.conf 16:47 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: do you need 2.1 or 2.0.1 is good? 16:47 < karasz> svn done 16:47 < karasz> now i mv 8.err? 16:47 < karasz> now i mv *.err? 16:47 < rxr> karasz: jep 16:47 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: 2.1.x is vserver perpetual development branch, 2.0.x is the stable one 16:47 < rxr> and rebuild libtool 16:47 < karasz> but build notice smth 16:48 < karasz> Found 1 new/updated files in source tree: 16:48 < karasz> -> Found new/updated file: package/base/libtool/libtool.desc 16:48 < karasz> but i guess i have to mv because it does not build libtool 16:49 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: any one atm:) 16:49 < Stelz> hello all 16:49 < Stelz> :) 16:49 < rxr> karasz: yep rm the libtool .log 16:49 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i mean, to change the version on trunk to 2.0 or keep it on 2.1 ad eternum 16:49 < karasz> and the err's too i guess... 16:50 < mnemoc> Create-ErrList -cfg foo -remove libtool is nicer 16:50 < _Ragnar_> O_O 16:50 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: why do we use 2.6.15-rc6 16:50 < _Ragnar_> ? 16:51 < rxr> because trunk is recent and there soon will be 2.6.15 16:51 < mnemoc> i have .11 on t2 2.1 ,-) 16:51 < _Ragnar_> ;p 16:51 < _Ragnar_> duh 16:51 < karasz> rxr which libtool.log? 16:51 < karasz> all of them? 16:51 < karasz> or just 5 16:51 < rxr> 5 should be enough 16:51 < rxr> but you can all of them 16:52 * _Ragnar_ think I'll wait until 2.2 and then switch there from trunk 16:52 < karasz> ok removed 16:52 < karasz> now? 16:52 < rxr> if you build is running it will build it next 16:55 < karasz> rxr, you are naughty 16:55 < _Ragnar_> just too much of a moving target :/ 16:56 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: use the stable series ,-) 16:56 < karasz> libtool was version updated, right? 16:56 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has joined #t2 16:56 < mnemoc> wb madtux 16:56 < madtux> thx ale. 16:57 < karasz> ok i reverted with svn but guess what tar.bz2 i have? 16:57 < karasz> so i must re run a -required i guess 16:58 < karasz> to get the old libtool source 16:58 < mipe> or just ./scripts/Download libtool 16:58 < mipe> is enough 16:59 < mnemoc> -required is expensive 16:59 < karasz> and i must rm all the libtool logs 16:59 < karasz> but i -required succesffuly yesterday 16:59 < karasz> so now i guess just libtool will come 16:59 < mnemoc> you just downdate it 16:59 < karasz> anyway i listened to mipe 17:00 < karasz> and only from original url... 17:01 < mipe> me checking libtool 1.5 branch for patches 17:03 < mipe> and there a lots of it 17:04 < CIA-2> rene * r14256 /trunk/package/base/cdrtools/cdrtools.conf: * fixed latest cdrtools change to actually install files again 17:05 < mnemoc> *g* 17:06 < rxr> yeah without submaster it would not have happened 17:06 < karasz> nah 17:07 < rxr> with it it would have lingered around 2 weeks before it would have been applied, 2 weeks to notice and other 2 weeks until the fix would have made it in .-) 17:07 < karasz> i built libtool 1.5.20 fine 17:07 < karasz> but the others fail with the same reason 17:07 < rxr> hm 17:07 < karasz> 1.5.20 is the version i want? 17:07 < rxr> yep 17:08 < rxr> karasz: I just start a build on my hammer, we have more test data soon 17:08 < karasz> maybe today will be a short one for me 17:09 < karasz> and by tomorrow maybe you will have some more info on that... 17:09 < MisterN> as i see, there is much to do for T2 :D 17:09 < karasz> MisterN, this is abt trunk on an alpha release, what did you expected? 17:10 < MisterN> karasz: umm no no 17:10 < MisterN> that's not what i mean 17:10 < karasz> rxr mnemoc i will publish another regression 17:11 < karasz> ok MisterN 17:11 < MisterN> there's much potential for being... more comfortable 17:11 < MisterN> but that's already in the roadmap:) 17:11 < MisterN> things like downloading and compiling in parallel:) 17:14 < karasz> rxr, mnemoc http://www.x5.ro/regression/regressions.html 17:16 < CIA-2> rene * r14257 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * fixed new boot code generation for powerpc* 17:16 -!- keinek_ [n=keinek@201.250.7.43] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:16 < valentin> re from rxrs house 17:17 < mnemoc> welcome valentin@rxr 17:17 < valentin> :) 17:18 < mnemoc> :) 17:18 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.250.14.194] has joined #t2 17:23 < karasz> i relaunched build 17:23 < karasz> what builds builds what not will be investigated tommorow 17:24 < karasz> cu guys tommorow 17:24 < rxr> hehe 18:18 < CIA-2> rene * r14258 /trunk/scripts/Config: 18:18 < CIA-2> * improved ugly architecture guess code to use just one uname -m with 18:18 < CIA-2> proper sed translations 18:22 < CIA-2> rene * r14259 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: 18:22 < CIA-2> * translate some platform names for the nocross stage (IIRC this also 18:22 < CIA-2> fixed something) 18:24 < mnemoc> something 18:26 < mipe> :) 18:27 < rxr> mnemoc: should I let it rotting until someone complains here about s.th. not working ? 18:28 < rxr> also I might suffer rm -rf or whatsoever ... 18:28 < rxr> and it is lieing around aready for some days - think over a week 18:28 < rxr> maybe it even fixes the ppc build stuff I just expereice on 2.1 ... 18:28 < rxr> that is I just start with that change included in 2.1 locally 18:29 < rxr> mnemoc: I want to introduce t2arch2uname and uname2t2arch helpers 18:29 < rxr> so we can remove the various hardcoded and often incomplete sed translations inside packages ... 18:31 < mnemoc> i was even thinking in an uname wrapper 18:32 < mnemoc> but the helpers names... yuck.. :p uname2arch arch2uname ? 18:33 < mnemoc> another cleanup i want to reduce hackery is architecture/*/ and target/*/ auto-registration 18:33 < mnemoc> and a depmod wrapper 18:38 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.frappr.com/?a=groupwidgets&gid=69370 <--- embedded frapper :D 18:39 < rxr> mnemoc: nice 18:39 < rxr> take a look later 18:39 * rxr soon off to collect susan at the railway station 18:39 < LMJ> A+ rxr 18:40 < rxr> A+ ? 18:41 < LMJ> means See you soon in French 18:41 < rxr> LMJ: ,-) ah - cu 18:41 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. those uname calls are explicit 18:41 < LMJ> "a plus tard" ;) 18:41 < rxr> and the some packages need uname a-like names for Makefiles ... 18:41 < rxr> so / cu 18:41 < mnemoc> rxr: cu :) 18:47 -!- mipe [n=mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["leaving"] 19:01 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178175109.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 19:01 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-) 19:01 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Mon Dec 26 15:20:28 2005] 19:01 [Users #t2] 19:01 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-2 ] [ keinek ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] 19:01 [ _Ragnar_] [ demian] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly_] 19:01 [ axion ] [ jsaw ] [ madtux ] [ owl ] [ Stelz ] 19:01 [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ MisterN] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 19:01 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 19:01 -!- [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). 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Thanks! 19:01 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 19:02 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 30 secs 19:07 < jsaw> sick :( 19:07 < jsaw> catched a cold... 19:08 < jsaw> and you ? 19:08 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178150231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:09 < mnemoc> tired, but health is good :) 19:11 < jsaw> good! 19:12 < mnemoc> how is the family? 19:12 < mnemoc> the house? 19:14 < jsaw> we're all back after (insert 1000 aunts and uncles) and Steffi had two days off while I was at my mums house 19:15 < jsaw> in one word: _fine_ 19:17 < mnemoc> the big family is yours or hers? 19:18 < jsaw> mine 19:18 < mnemoc> same case here 19:27 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFD2D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 19:29 < nzg> moin 19:29 < mnemoc> moin nzg 19:44 -!- sparc-kly__ [n=mubex@64.237.248.193] has joined #t2 19:46 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:46 < misl> hi folks 19:47 < Stelz> hey, misl 19:48 < misl> mnemoc: when doing 2.1 minimal build with various optimizations, should I do crossbuilds? 19:49 < misl> I did and most of them failed to build dietlibc :( 19:49 < mnemoc> crossbuild is only needed when the result executable can't run on your hardware 19:50 < misl> I am not sure if C3-2 would run on opteron boxes 19:51 < misl> but doing crossbuild shouldn't hurt should it? 19:56 < mnemoc> it will just stop after stage1 20:03 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.240.190] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:07 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 20:12 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CDE26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:13 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CDAD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 20:14 < CIA-2> aldas * r14260 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.2.9 -> 2.2.10) 20:17 < mnemoc> rxr_: http://pastebin.ca/35183 ? 20:17 -!- VEXation [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 20:18 < CIA-2> aldas * r14261 /trunk/package/graphic/libexif/ (gcc-4.0.patch libexif.desc): 20:18 < CIA-2> * updated libexif (0.6.12 -> 0.6.13) 20:18 < CIA-2> * removed libexif/gcc-4.0.patch - obsolete 20:22 < valentin> re 20:22 < mnemoc> wb valentin 20:22 < mnemoc> valentin: http://pastebin.ca/35183 ? 20:24 -!- Stelz [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:28 < valentin> mnemoc: do you want me to evaluate that ? 20:28 < mnemoc> valentin: comments? 20:28 < mnemoc> suggestions? 20:30 < mnemoc> now i think i should keep the list an move the brain to architecture/share/preconfig.in 20:32 < axion> rxr: did you check the iso? 20:32 < valentin> there is no such thing as #description in architecture/*/config.in yet 20:33 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:34 < mnemoc> valentin: i'm adding them 20:35 < valentin> what kind of content will go there ? 20:35 < axion> mnemoc: 570MB yeah! :) 20:35 < mnemoc> axion: 8.3G to go 20:35 < axion> hehe 20:35 < mnemoc> valentin: currently we have on each preconfig.in something like: 20:35 < mnemoc> CFGTEMP_ARCHLIST="$CFGTEMP_ARCHLIST x86 Intel_x86_and_compatible_PCs" 20:36 < mnemoc> i want to convert that into an _optional_ #Description: Intel x86 and compatible PCs on config.in 20:36 < mnemoc> and to do something similar for targets 20:36 < mnemoc> probably grabbing the first line of target/*/version.txt 20:37 < axion> i wish i could install the minimal 2.2 system i built 20:37 < valentin> mnemoc: well, why not ? 20:37 < valentin> axion: what is the problem ? 20:37 < mnemoc> valentin: so you like it? 20:37 < axion> the disc has a kernel panic while booting 20:37 < mnemoc> outch 20:37 < axion> unknown-block(3,4) 20:37 < mnemoc> what fs? 20:38 < axion> mnemoc: while booting the disc...not hd 20:38 < axion> so iso9660 20:39 < axion> me wonders if he can boot with the working 2.1 iso, and load 2nd stage from the unbootable iso 20:40 < mnemoc> 4i doubt 20:40 < mnemoc> -4 20:40 < axion> only one way to find out... 20:40 -!- axion [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit ["leaving"] 20:42 < valentin> mnemoc: i like having more generated info stuff 20:42 < mnemoc> great, so i'll finish adding #Description: and commit 20:42 < mnemoc> i moved the magic into architecture/share/preconfig.in 20:43 < LMJ> moin mnemoc valentin 20:43 < mnemoc> moin yoda 20:43 < valentin> moin 20:43 * valentin lunch 20:43 < mnemoc> .oO 20:50 < LMJ> hello my little young padawan mnemoc ;) 20:57 < mnemoc> hello master joda 20:58 < madtux> 0_o 20:59 < MisterN> gsmp.tfh-berlin.de is _down_ if that's of interest 20:59 < MisterN> kinda impractical 21:00 < mnemoc> uhm 21:01 < MisterN> yes? i'm willing to listen 21:01 < mnemoc> it's not down for me 21:02 < mnemoc> hi madtux :) 21:02 < madtux> yar 21:02 < MisterN> PING gsmp.tfh-berlin.de (141.64.23.9) 56(84) bytes of data. 21:02 < MisterN> --- gsmp.tfh-berlin.de ping statistics --- 21:02 < MisterN> 34 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 33014ms 21:03 < mnemoc> ping say nothing 21:03 < mnemoc> i'm inside my ssh account there 21:04 < mnemoc> and http is also running 21:04 < MisterN> does the http-server support partial requests? 21:04 < MisterN> i really hope so 21:05 < mnemoc> Apache/2.0.53 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.53 OpenSSL/0.9.7 DAV/2 SVN/1.0.3 PHP/4.3.10 Server at gsmp.tfh-berlin.de Port 80 21:09 < YeT2> hi :) 21:10 < MisterN> mnemoc: this is "yes"? 21:11 < YeT2> YESSS ... (partially built desktop with IMPORTANT STUFF) ... and the tried out 2.2.0-epsilon minimal ! 21:11 < mnemoc> YeT2: prefer svn 21:11 < YeT2> was sooo good ... I decided to install that (and throw away my experiments of last days !!) 21:12 < YeT2> I will go for svn ! ... BTW : first suggestion for improvement ::: -> 21:14 < YeT2> in 2.2.0. epsilon of sd of sg HDs works well BUT udev starts TOOO EARLY ... in /proc the devices are seen a bit late ... so udev does not create device-nodes in /dev 21:15 < YeT2> ONLY AFTER restarting udevstart on the console before starting stone !! 21:16 < YeT2> gentoo eg has integrated a "scandelay" parameter in their first initrc (stage2 script) before starting udev ! 21:21 < CIA-2> aldas * r14263 /trunk/package/develop/mono/mono.desc: * updated mono (1.1.10 -> 1.1.12.1) 21:21 < CIA-2> amery * r14262 /trunk/architecture/ (33 files in 18 dirs): * improved architectures support by no longer needing architecture registration, every folder is considered an architecture and optionaly #Description: from config.in is used to set a friendlier name 21:21 < CIA-2> aldas * r14264 /trunk/package/network/lat/lat.desc: * updated lat (0.8 -> 0.8.1) 21:23 < mnemoc> Baldzius: please update mono friends accordingly 21:24 < Baldzius> mnemoc: it looks that there are nothing else to update but i'll take a closer look :) 21:33 < Baldzius> ok, i missed 21:33 < Baldzius> updating.. 21:36 < mnemoc> :) 21:40 -!- VEXation is now known as Stelz 21:40 -!- Stelz [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 21:40 -!- Stelz [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 21:41 < Baldzius> mnemoc: what keeps us moving bind from 9.2.x -> 9.3.x ? 21:41 < Stelz> hmm 21:41 < Baldzius> "bind" 21:41 < Stelz> mnemoc: what do u think about BSD? :) 21:42 < mnemoc> boring 21:42 < mnemoc> Baldzius: i guess nothing... bind stinks anyway 21:42 < Baldzius> hahaha :) 21:43 < mnemoc> Baldzius: 9.3 claims to be stable or devel? 21:43 < Baldzius> mnemoc: i understood as stable 21:44 < mnemoc> update it then 21:44 < Baldzius> BIND 9.3.2 is a maintenance release for BIND 9.3 21:44 < Baldzius> ^^ - from bind website 21:45 < mnemoc> we don't want a devel version of a broken-per se package 21:45 < mnemoc> but if they say it's stable, ISC lover may want to use it 21:45 < mnemoc> lovers* 21:45 < Stelz> mnemoc: 21:46 < Baldzius> i run it here, works like 9.2.x 21:46 < Stelz> where i can find tagged 2.1.1 ? 21:46 < mnemoc> svn 21:47 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/tags/2.1.1/ 21:48 < mnemoc> Baldzius: basic services shall not be touched, the shall always work flawlessly. if a package which provides a core service need to be updated every two week, it's simply crap. 21:49 < Baldzius> i like crap :)))) 21:50 < mnemoc> pdns is quite good and support bind zones, and without known vulneravilities in years. 21:50 < mnemoc> but i use djbdns anyway 21:50 < mnemoc> + some patches 21:50 < _Ragnar_> supporting bind zones is a '-' in my eyes 21:50 < _Ragnar_> unless there's an alternative 21:51 < mnemoc> pdns has multiple backends 21:51 < mnemoc> databases, ldap, etc... 21:51 < _Ragnar_> ah kewl 21:51 < mnemoc> bloat for me, but a good package 21:51 < Baldzius> well , i used bind for ages, from my first linux distro - RH6.2 21:52 < Baldzius> so i guees it's more like habit 21:52 < _Ragnar_> is it a new implementation, or is it based on bind/some other package? 21:52 < mnemoc> RH6.2 was my _last_ redhat :) 21:52 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: independent implementation 21:52 < Baldzius> mine - 7.3 21:52 < _Ragnar_> kewl 21:53 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: very good dns if you like big packages 21:53 < _Ragnar_> 8) 21:53 < _Ragnar_> I wonder if it's somehow based on a dns server that I wrote dnssec extensions to years ago 21:54 < mnemoc> ask them ,-) 21:57 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:57 < _Ragnar_> *g* 21:57 < _Ragnar_> probably not 21:57 < mnemoc> ack 21:57 < _Ragnar_> was called 'dents' 22:00 < CIA-2> aldas * r14265 /trunk/package/develop/mono-doc/mono-doc.desc: * updated mono-doc (1.1.10 -> 1.1.11) 22:01 < CIA-2> aldas * r14266 /trunk/package/develop/mono-xsp/mono-xsp.desc: * updated mono-xsp (1.1.10 -> 1.1.10.1) 22:02 < CIA-2> aldas * r14267 /trunk/package/develop/mod_mono/mod_mono.desc: * updated mod_mono (1.1.10 -> 1.1.10.1) 22:02 * mnemoc wonders if he downdate gtksharp2 22:03 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:05 < Baldzius> hm i see i updated to 2.5.92 and you downdated to 2.4.0 22:08 < Baldzius> interesting, where did i find that version? 22:10 < Baldzius> can't find now and i have a feeling that i saw it on mono web now there 2.4.0 22:10 < Baldzius> strange 22:10 < mnemoc> http://go-mono.com/sources/ ˇ 22:10 < mnemoc> ? 22:11 < Baldzius> 2.4.0 there but where did i find 2.5.92 22:11 < mnemoc> it was there as 'devel' gtksharp2 22:11 < mnemoc> current is 2.7.soemthing 22:12 < Baldzius> g*, mess , never mind :) 22:12 < mnemoc> :) 22:12 < Baldzius> it's bill fault :) 22:13 < mnemoc> :) 22:17 < YeT2> mnemoc: packages of tagged 2.2.0-epsilon are "different" to t2-2.2.0-epsilon-minimal.iso ?! 22:17 < mnemoc> YeT2: i guess so, but rene maintain that tree 22:17 < YeT2> rxr? 22:17 < mnemoc> yes 22:20 < YeT2> rxr_: is there a reason why packages of tagged 2.2.0-epsilon are different in 2.2.0-epsilon-minimal.iso ?! 22:23 < YeT2> :) rxr_ : are you watching MIB or lara croft ? :) 22:25 < mnemoc> i think he is at susan's 22:25 < YeT2> :) :) 22:27 < YeT2> ok ... i'm setting up my new SDE starting from epsilon ... what is the usual way to update the package descriptions one by one (selective) ... via svn ? 22:27 < mnemoc> usually you use HEAD instead of tags 22:28 < mnemoc> on both trees 22:28 < YeT2> ? 22:29 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/ 22:29 < mnemoc> and svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1 for 2.1 22:30 < YeT2> i have t2-trunk parallel to t2-2.2.0-epsilon ! 22:30 < mnemoc> t2-trunk is better than t2-2.2.0-epsilon in this moment 22:31 < YeT2> hmm ... t2-trunk is not able to do a SIMPLE Config : core dump when generating lib 22:31 < mnemoc> try with -nobashmod 22:31 < mnemoc> what arch? 22:32 < mnemoc> i built a minimal/pmmx flawlessly some hours ago 22:34 < YeT2> well ... the trunk software is (not) running on installed t-2.2.0-epsilon-minimal on an Athlon XP ... BUT just now -nobashmod worked ! 22:34 < YeT2> (Config) 22:35 < mnemoc> :) 22:36 < YeT2> strange : i can remember when i tried without -nobashmod ... there was one flag -nobashmod displayed on the screen before core-dumping 22:37 < mnemoc> $nobashmod 22:37 < YeT2> jepp 22:37 < mnemoc> which is empty if -nobashmod wasn't give 22:37 < mnemoc> that usually happen when local bash is static 22:38 < YeT2> sometimes i feel like a bloody rooky ! :) (seems like i have to work with t2 for a while ...) 22:39 < mnemoc> bloody rooky? 22:40 < YeT2> ... beginner or so ... (supposed not to be) 22:40 < mnemoc> :) 22:43 < YeT2> hmmm ... after checking my orthography ... I AM EVEN ROOKIE in ENGLISH WRITING 22:44 < mnemoc> rook·ie Audio pronunciation of "rookie" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rk) 22:44 < mnemoc> n. 22:44 < mnemoc> 1. Slang. 22:44 < mnemoc> 1. An untrained or inexperienced recruit, as in the army or police. 22:44 < mnemoc> 2. An inexperienced person; a novice. 22:44 < mnemoc> 2. Sports. A first-year player, especially in a professional sport. 22:44 < mnemoc> oops 22:46 < YeT2> :) at least my vocabulary is ok :) 22:46 < mnemoc> :) 22:52 < YeT2> mnemoc: the option enable multilib support : is this only for c-compiler or for different glibcs ? (for running 3rd party binaries) 22:54 < YeT2> (eg) 22:54 < mnemoc> uhm, not really sure 22:54 -!- zod [i=zod@shodan.knid.net] has joined #t2 22:54 < zod> good evening 22:54 < YeT2> hmm ... as i'm testing ... i will enable it :) 22:54 < YeT2> hi zod 22:54 < mnemoc> :) 22:58 < YeT2> uhm ... can't find ccache option !? 23:02 < mnemoc> you need to enable ccache to get the option 23:02 < mnemoc> ccache package i mean 23:02 < YeT2> *gn* on a minimal system ... Emerge ? 23:03 < mnemoc> Emerge also depends on a config/ 23:03 < mnemoc> default by default 23:04 < YeT2> on a running system ... ? why config ... is there no package database under /var/adm ? 23:05 < mnemoc> config is more than a package selection 23:05 < YeT2> (there is on mine ...) 23:05 < YeT2> ? 23:05 < mnemoc> target determine most of the stuff 23:06 < mnemoc> config say which target you will use 23:06 < YeT2> i thought config is needed only for targets TO BE BUILT and not for the running system ... where i have to enable ccache !? 23:07 < mnemoc> config's package selection 23:07 < mnemoc> then you can enable ccache support on _that_ config 23:07 < mnemoc> and when you use it to emerge, ccache will be used 23:08 < YeT2> ok ... i will check 23:17 < MisterN> cu/bbl 23:17 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CDAD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Wieso gibt es keine guten Quitmessages? Jaja, diese ist auch doof."] 23:37 < mnemoc> rene will kill me.... 23:37 * mnemoc looks around 23:41 < CIA-2> amery * r14268 /trunk/package/base/ (221 files in 4 dirs): 23:41 < CIA-2> * splitted sysfiles package because some of it's parts are updated (sysfiles is blacklisted), and deserve their own life. 23:41 < CIA-2> * introduced stone package for stone 23:41 < CIA-2> * introduced mkinitrd package for mkinitrd 23:41 < CIA-2> * introduced rocknet package for rocknet 23:42 * mnemoc hides 23:44 < CIA-2> amery * r14269 /trunk/target/router/ (pkgsel.sed pkgsel.sh): * adapted router target to newly splitted sysfiles package 23:44 < CIA-2> amery * r14270 /trunk/target/install/build_stage2.sh: * adapted install target to newly splitted sysfiles package 23:45 < CIA-2> amery * r14271 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/ (00-minimal.in benchmark.in): * adapted generic target to newly splitted sysfiles package 23:45 < CIA-2> amery * r14272 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel: * adapted archivista target to newly splitted sysfiles package 23:47 < Baldzius> :)))))) 23:47 < CIA-2> amery * r14273 /trunk/package/base/00-dirtree/data.txt: * removed etc/stone.d and lib/network from 00-dirtree, they belong to stone and rocknet packages 23:50 < CIA-2> amery * r14274 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone.conf: * decustmain-ized stone 23:52 < CIA-2> amery * r14275 /trunk/package/base/stone/ (14 files): * fixed copyright notes on stone 23:58 < CIA-2> amery * r14276 /trunk/package/base/rocknet/ (10 files): * decustmain-ized rocknet, and fixed copyright notes 23:58 < CIA-2> amery * r14277 /trunk/package/base/rocknet/rocknet.sh: * removed svn:executable from rocknet/rocknet.sh --- Log closed Fri Dec 30 00:00:17 2005