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00:00 < rxr> -#define IPW2200_VERSION "1.0.0"
00:00 < rxr> +#define IPW2200_VERSION "git-1.0.8"
00:00 < rxr> ah - that is better
00:01 < Baldzius> rxr: you mean to X11R7.0 final?
00:02 < mnemoc> that's aldas job
00:02 < Baldzius> g* i didn't understand the question :)
00:03 < Baldzius> i thought talk is about 7.0
00:03  * madtux .oO( When i grow up, i hope to be able to someday at least watch mnemoc and rxr work in person )\
00:03 < Baldzius> i updated from rc3 to final
00:03 < Baldzius> it looks nice
00:03 < mnemoc> madtux: it wont be hard for a money-maker like you
00:03 < Baldzius> no problem even one disapeared
00:04 < madtux> mnemoc, i changed "fame and glory" for a peacefull life.
00:04 < mnemoc> madtux: you make lot of money anyway, you have the gift
00:05 < madtux> i don't know about that.
00:05 < madtux> yet its different.
00:06 < madtux> u can't compare that to work witht he exactcode crew
00:06 < mnemoc> i work for a drinks distributor coding on clipper
00:06 < madtux> u are talking about getting paid for working with your friends on the project that you devote your spare time and even ur non spa\re time
00:07 < madtux> mnemoc, that can change.
00:08 < mnemoc> yes, even i can win the lotery
00:08 < mnemoc> if i play...
00:09 < rxr> latest linux changed enough to make some good old patches fail ...
00:13 < mnemoc> +20 for linus :)
00:14 < mnemoc> ok, time to ride home
00:14 < mnemoc> bbl
00:14 < rxr> I think we could replace linux with a while (true) apply_patch (); // loop
00:14 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
00:15 < madtux> mnemoc, carefull with the flat tire
00:15 < mnemoc> don't forget some data from /dev/random
00:15 < mnemoc> madtux: :)
00:18 < rxr> flat tire ?
00:18 < rxr> .oO
00:21 < madtux> rxr, hispanic joke.
00:21  * rxr feels to have missed something
00:24  * rxr wonders when starring at the cpuinfo of the dual core ppc64 box gets boring ...
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00:40 < rxr> cu Stelz 
00:41 < Stelz> 'night, rxr ;)
00:41  * Stelz dropped to bed..
00:42  * rxr should as welll
00:44 < CIA-20> rene * r14124 /trunk/package/xorg/xproto/xproto.conf: * fixed xproto lib64 symlinkery and tab-intended the conditional
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00:51 < rxr> hi ojh 
00:51 < ojh> Hi rxr
00:54  * rxr soon off into bed
00:55 < rxr> so - with the fixed symlinkery for xorg and gtk+ building now I'll have far less errors in the powerpc64 build .-)
00:55 < rxr> cu all - good n8
00:57 < Baldzius> gn8 rxr
01:40 < mnemoc> rehi
01:41 < madtux> wb bikingfreak
01:43 < mnemoc> :)
01:47 < CIA-20> amery * r14125 /branches/2.1/package/archiver/mine/mine.conf: * merged 14088,14123 from trunk: fixed mine dialog check to enable gasgui for lib64 systems
01:47 < mnemoc> madtux: is frappr picture recient? you have lost lot of weigth
01:49 < CIA-20> amery * r14126 /branches/2.1/package/x11/xorg/ (8 files): 
01:49 < CIA-20> * fixed xorg to properly install xorg.conf sample when needed
01:49 < CIA-20> * cleaned xorg by using $confdir and $bindir, and standarized filenames at $confdir
01:55 < demian> re
01:56 < demian> mnemoc: ?
01:57 < mnemoc> demian: ?
01:58 < CIA-20> amery * r14127 /branches/2.1/misc/archive/fmnewpackage.sh: * merged 13105 from trunk: improved fmnewpackage.sh error handling
02:01 < demian> is the second cd needed during install ?
02:01 < demian> i hope not..
02:02  * demian always agreed that optional packages go to [cd2-cdN]
02:04 < demian> well. bye.
02:05 < demian> going home.
02:07 < mnemoc> demian: both are needed
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03:11 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
03:11 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
03:11 [Users #t2]
03:11 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-20] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ Stelz   ] 
03:11 [ _Ragnar_] [ demian] [ LMJ   ] [ mtr_  ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 
03:11 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw  ] [ madtux] [ ojh   ] [ sepp] 
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03:13 < madtux> mnemoc, it means 23:59.59, however u can also use -D with something 2005-12-22 20:15:30 or so
03:13 < madtux> yes it will really understand it.
03:14 < mnemoc> thanks :)   i prefer 'revisions' anyway :)
03:16 < madtux> ok
03:17 < madtux> i never said what i prefered, i was just hoping to help you answering ur question.
03:18 < mnemoc> sure :)
03:43 < mnemoc> madtux: -D 2005-12-22 doesn't include changes from 2005-12-22, so it's until 2005-12-21 23:59:59
03:49 < ojh> This looks cool and usefull: http://gobby.0x539.de/
03:50 < mnemoc> i coded one for web once
03:52 < ojh> I'll have to write the DESC files for easy T2 installation. It looks like a really useful colaberation tool.
03:54 < mnemoc> yes, send the patch please
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05:55 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14128 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in: 
05:55 < CIA-20> * add "eject", "parted", "jfsutils" and "xfsutils" to the
05:55 < CIA-20>  minimal selection
05:57 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14129 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/50-minimal-desktop.in: * initial try to cleanup generic/minimal-desktop pkg selection
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06:18 < mipe> mnemoc:ping
06:22 < mipe> mnemoc: yes the patch is tested but it might contain things that arent needed, but they are harmless
06:23 < mipe> mnemoc: and what do you mean by asking: "do you really leave nowhere?"
06:25 < mipe> god lord, google map doesnt have images of this place...
06:26 < mipe> mnemoc:anyway no, i dont really live there... well just for holidays... i'm usually at 100Km more north or at ~400Km south
06:42 < mipe> anyone have 386 isos?
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10:52 < rxr> re
10:52 < rxr> moin mipe 
10:52 < mipe> hi txt
10:52 < mipe> rxr
10:52 < rxr> hehe /me mime/text ,-)
10:52 < mipe> :)
10:52 < rxr> mipe: isos are on gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2 or so
10:53 < rxr> I have trunk minimal for x86 and x86-64 handy in some hours
10:53 < rxr> but thise are experimental
10:53 < mipe> yep, i installed t2-2.1 x64 desktop last night, and working great!
10:54 < mipe> lowest arch i can find is for pmxx, but 386 dont have mmx register?
10:54 < rxr> mnemoc: xorg cleanup in 2.1 - I think prefix is not set in 2.1 and thus $bindir might not point where you think it points to
10:55 < rxr> mipe: ah - yes
10:55 < rxr> mipe: I have no i386 image handy ... :.-(
10:55 < rxr> mipe: I could build one ...
10:55 < mipe> yeah, i could too, on that 386 but that could take ages
10:55 < rxr> mipe: mmx is only avail since pentium-mmx ...
10:56 < rxr> mipe: well - my hardware needs 20h to build a minimal of trunk and I might need to fix glibc to build no-NPTL for i386
10:56 < mipe> and my laptop is broken so i cant build on that...
10:56 < rxr> is that early enough ?
10:56 < mipe> yeah
10:58 < rxr> Builder AU compared databases from Oracle, IBM, Microsoft and MySQL, and the open source offering came out on top."
10:59 < rxr> http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/12/23/0153254.shtml
11:11 < CIA-20> rene * r14130 /trunk/package/firmware/ (ipw2100-fw/ipw2100-fw.desc ipw2200-fw/ipw2200-fw.desc): 
11:11 < CIA-20> * fixed version in ipw2100-fw (1.0.5 -> 1.3)
11:11 < CIA-20> * updated ipw2200-fw (1.0.4 -> 2.4)
11:13 < CIA-20> rene * r14131 /trunk/package/multimedia/blender/blender.desc: * updated blender (2.37a -> 2.40)
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11:31 < Stelz> hi all
11:31 < rxr> aaa1hi Stelz 
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12:11 < LMJ> good morning the chan
12:12 < Stelz> hi, LMJ
12:12 < rxr> moin LMJ 
12:13 < LMJ> how are you guys ?
12:19 < Stelz> i'm fine, LMJ, thanks, & u? ;)
12:19 < LMJ> i'm ok ;)
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13:23 < madtux> hey
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14:07 < karasz> hello chan
14:07 < karasz> moin all
14:17 < CIA-20> rene * r14132 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
14:17 < CIA-20> * moved hal u/dev rule into a seperate file owned by hal
14:17 < CIA-20> * removed stray copy'n paste '+' from 50-udev.rules
14:17 < karasz> rxr around?
14:18 < karasz> finaly i got my wks
14:18 < karasz> should i install 2.1.0 minimal for P4?
14:20 < rxr> re
14:20 < karasz> hi rxr
14:21 < rxr> wks is what ?
14:21 < karasz> workstation, x206
14:21 < karasz> unipropessor p4 at 3.4
14:21 < karasz> with emt64
14:22 < rxr> well - depends what you want to do on it whether a minimal is enough ...
14:22 < rxr> em64t ...
14:22 < rxr> well - you could also use a x86-64 image then
14:22 < karasz> hmm
14:22 < karasz> really?
14:22 < karasz> i thought that it is 32 bites
14:23 < rxr> em64t is x86-64 from intel
14:23 < karasz> i never understood what em64t is...
14:23 < rxr> extended memory 64bit technology or so is the intel marketing name
14:23 < rxr> they do not want to print amd64 on it ...
14:23 < mipe> :)
14:23 < karasz> so i should use x86-64?
14:23 < rxr> however I wonder why they did not use x86-64 ...
14:23 < rxr> maybe because they need Intel in ever abbrev. they use ...
14:24 < rxr> karasz: em64t is copy'n paste of amd64 for intel's cpus ..
14:24 < karasz> or i can choose between p4 and x86-64?
14:24 < rxr> yep
14:24 < rxr> I would use x86-65
14:24 < mipe> karasz: use x86-64 if you want 64bit or p4 if you dont
14:24 < rxr> 64
14:25 < karasz> tough choise...
14:25 < rxr> well - on x86 x86-64 is faster, due to more registers ...
14:25 < karasz> thought so
14:25 < mipe> yep, and get more memory...
14:25 < karasz> so dld for me...
14:26 < mipe> but i guess desktop pc shouldnt even need that much
14:26 < karasz> 2.1.0 x86-64?
14:27 < mipe> hmm, how much memory can linux address to single process at the time... 32bit os
14:27 < karasz> i thought i would start with minimal and then build from trunk what i need for desktop...
14:30 < karasz> is something wrong with http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de?
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14:34 < rxr> karasz: ssh works on gsmp
14:34 < rxr> karasz: I would install the 64bit flavour
14:35 < rxr> especially when you want to decide later on to build the 64bit versions
14:38 < karasz> <rxr> karasz: ssh works on gsmp ??
14:38 < karasz> i started dld of x86-64 minimal with curl
14:38 < karasz> there is no desktop for 64
14:39 < karasz> what do you mean by ssh?
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14:48 < rxr> karasz: that I can ssh into the box - what problem do you have with gsmp ?
14:52 < karasz> the prb was on my side
14:52 < karasz> not on gsmp
14:52 < karasz> i was trying to dld and it gave me 0kb
15:09 < CIA-20> rene * r14133 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in: * added strace to the minimal selection
15:19 < mnemoc> moin!
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15:19 < mipe> hmm
15:19 < mnemoc> hmm mipe 
15:19 < karasz> hi mnemoc 
15:19 < mipe> connecting to freenode takes ages
15:20 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
15:20 < mnemoc> moin karasz, mipe, rxr 
15:21 < mipe> hi mnemoc
15:21 < mnemoc> rxr: at least acording to flist $bindir is well defined
15:21 < mnemoc> rxr: for xorg
15:21 < mipe> i wonder how easy it is to convert my base system from 2.1 to use trunk
15:22 < mipe> devfs?
15:22 < rxr> mnemoc: ok
15:22 < mnemoc> mipe: not just that, trunk has a different glibc/gcc and modular kernel and modular X
15:23 < mipe> is trunk bootdisk changes ready?
15:23 < mipe> and installer?
15:23 < mnemoc> mipe: not yet but almost
15:23 < rxr> yes, almost
15:23 < rxr> mipe: I'll release minimal an minimal64 installable from trunk today
15:24 < LMJ> good afternoon guys 
15:24 < mnemoc> moin LMJ 
15:25 < mipe> rxr:good!!!, lemme know the dl address when reay
15:25 < LMJ> especially mnemoc ;)
15:25 < mipe> +d+
15:25 < rxr> mipe: minutes away
15:25 < rxr> I mostly only need to regen the kernel initrds with new hotplug 
15:25 < mnemoc> :)
15:26 < mnemoc> ?
15:26 < mnemoc> ready :p ok
15:29 < mnemoc> sweet... pida now shows svn status on file manager :D
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15:30 < CIA-20> rene * r14134 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_install.sh: 
15:30 < CIA-20> * added reiser4 support to the stone install module, added filesystem
15:30 < CIA-20>  to each entry automatically and use the more regularly named mkfs.*
15:30 < CIA-20>  for the tools
15:31 < mnemoc> re :(
15:31 < owl> moin
15:31 < mnemoc> moin owlinette:D
15:32 < LMJ> huuhuuuuuu owl 
15:34 < rxr> hi owl 
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15:35 [ _Ragnar_] [ demian] [ LMJ   ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 
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15:40 < mnemoc> forth timeout to svn.ec.d on a road...
15:41 < mnemoc> fifth
15:41 < LMJ> mnemoc, do you have a couple of minute to investigate the mysql problem i have on my webserver maybe ?
15:45 < mnemoc> LMJ: run mysqld_safe by hand and watch the output
15:47 < mnemoc> is svn up for someone?
15:47 < madtux> good day owl mery
15:47 < mnemoc> ?
15:47 < madtux> i mean mary :)
15:47 < mnemoc> ?
15:48 < madtux> yeah i wanted to catch ur attention again
15:48 < madtux> how is it going?
15:48 < mnemoc> hi, how is selinux support going? :)
15:48 < mnemoc> everything fine around here today
15:48 < madtux> progressing
15:49 < mnemoc> and that means?
15:49 < LMJ> mnemoc http://pastebin.com/476634
15:49 < LMJ> what's happening to that thing
15:50 < mnemoc> does netstat -nlp show mysql?
15:50 < mnemoc> try running it inside strace
15:51 < LMJ> nothing in netstat
15:51 < LMJ> no strace on that box :-/ only around 100 packages, with grsec
15:51 < mnemoc> svn working again
15:51 < mnemoc> LMJ: install it :)
15:52 < mnemoc> LMJ: strace doesn't harm
15:52 < LMJ> don't know, never used it before ;)
15:52 < mnemoc> get used to it :)
15:53 < LMJ> damned
15:53 < LMJ> it failed
15:54 < LMJ> MNEMOC
15:54 < LMJ> I FOUND
15:54 < LMJ> http://pastebin.com/476642
15:54 < LMJ> what newby am i
15:55 < mnemoc> pff
15:55 < demian> 19:21 #t2: < mnemoc> demian: both are needed
15:55 < demian> too late..
15:55 < LMJ> so now, what is taking so much space
15:56 < mnemoc> du
15:56 < CIA-20> amery * r14135 /trunk/package/java/kaffe/ (dompatch-guilhem.patch kaffe.conf kaffe.desc): * updated kaffe (1.1.6 -> 2005-12-23)
15:57 < LMJ> du-ing
15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: .-)
15:58 < LMJ> logging bandwith
15:58 < CIA-20> amery * r14136 /trunk/package/java/eclipse/eclipse.desc: * marked eclipse as KAFFE-aware
15:58 < mnemoc> rxr: to get a t2-java enviroment you need to emerge: java-dirtree, jikes, kaffe, apache-ant, bdb-java and then eclipse
15:58 < LMJ> that's the problem
16:00 < rxr> jikes ?
16:01 < mnemoc> jikes
16:01 < mnemoc> a java compiler written in c
16:01 < demian> what about gcj ?
16:02 < mnemoc> you really don't want to limit classpath updates to gcc releases
16:02 < mipe> virtual java package that represents some java2 compiler? does someone really use kaffe or jikes?
16:02 < mnemoc> i do
16:03 < demian> sure. and have u really used jikes? supporting java tigger?
16:03 < mnemoc> if you want sun's, use it. it's packaged.
16:03 < mnemoc> but i wont ever install such kind of restrictive software
16:03 < demian> i am just asking about jikes.. dunno it.
16:03 < mipe> yes, but there are deps for jikes/kaffe that sun compiler can handle much better
16:04 < mipe> or atleast i think there is... unless removed recently
16:04 < mnemoc> yes, sun's take 25m to build eclipse kaffe/jikes takes 1:05m
16:04 < karasz> i will be back later with updates ;)
16:04 < mnemoc> karasz: :)
16:05 < mnemoc> 1:05h
16:05 < karasz> oki cu guys in some hours...
16:05 < karasz> bye
16:05 < mnemoc> mipe: what 'deps'?
16:05 < mnemoc> bye karasz 
16:06 < Stelz> mnemoc: ping
16:06 < mnemoc> ?
16:06 < Stelz> argh... some lags with my ISP :(
16:07 < Stelz> lagging since the day before yesterday..
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16:07 < mipe> mnemoc: dont remember...  might not be depency but situatation where sun's could be used instead(was available)
16:07  * demian noted t2 installation was very familiar.. too much.
16:08 < mnemoc> demian: 2.1 installer is almost the same rock 2.0 has
16:08 < madtux> are u having fun d3bian?
16:09 < demian> not really, havent seen sth that could differ of my old rock experience in t2 yet..
16:09 < demian> but im starting..
16:10 < mnemoc> most changes are behind the scene
16:10 < madtux> my young padawan... you should already know that the differences are not that clear on the installation
16:10 < madtux> to see the real difference u must see the code. and perform builds
16:10 < mnemoc> lot of fixes, clean ups and simplifications
16:10 < madtux> starting with scripts/Config u will see several differences and improvements
16:10 < mnemoc> :)
16:10 < madtux> many other things are to be seen on the code.
16:11 < mnemoc> i hope you see them :p
16:11 < demian> as i said.. im just starting and installing..
16:11 < madtux> are u talking to me mnemoc >
16:11 < madtux> ?
16:11 < mnemoc> both
16:11 < madtux> demian, make me proud my friend :)
16:11 < madtux> mnemoc, u are wonderinf if I notcies the differences... u are funny
16:11 < madtux> :)
16:11 < mnemoc> :)
16:12 < demian> madtux: yesterday i took at hdwlinux code, and talked a bit with hackbard
16:12 < demian> s/took/took a look
16:12 < madtux> nice
16:12 < mnemoc> is hdw and hackbard alive?
16:12 < madtux> how is he?
16:12 < demian> yes. hackbard finished uni.
16:13 < demian> got girlfriend.
16:13 < demian> and is spending more time maintaining hdw. recently added FAI.
16:13 < madtux> mnemoc, hdw is alive but its mostly a for fun project so its development is slow
16:14  * mnemoc reminds madtux's words about hdw on #rl which triggered a thread on hdw list :)
16:15 < mnemoc> with madtux apologizing
16:15 < demian> ?
16:16 < demian> i am thinking to finish my hdw migration to perl. it was funny and well-coded.
16:16 < mnemoc> < Mike1> dr_insolito: hdw = poor imitation / copy of rock linux source
16:17  * mnemoc has logs of everything :p
16:17 < demian> madtux: u know that if u make diff -r -U0 hdw-linux-dev to against rock's source maybe u wont get any match.
16:17 < demian> maybe stuff in sysfiles could make match.
16:18 < madtux> demian, that was a long time ago when i think u didn't even knew hdw existed
16:19 < madtux> demian, hdw has gone through a lot of changes, in the beggining it had many similar things to rock
16:19 < madtux> on the 1.5 times
16:20 < demian> the current hdw release is 0.3 :p
16:20 < madtux> also i was pissed at u and hackbard at those days
16:20 < demian> i remember i was doing efforts 2 yrs ago against 0.3dev. :p
16:21 < madtux> demian, hdw's  releases are not reliable... the are TONS of changes between one release and another
16:21 < madtux> anyways i am not in the mood to talk about this
16:22 < demian> and this is not the channel for that.
16:22 < madtux> you have a special talent to piss me off sometimes.
16:22 < mnemoc> like linux 2.6 releases! :p
16:22 < mnemoc> madtux: me?
16:23 < rxr> hdw?
16:23 < madtux> no.
16:23 < demian> i think he talks about me. ;-)
16:23 < madtux> demian, but i still consider u my friend ;-)
16:24  * _Ragnar_ waits for the kiss =)
16:24 < demian> lol
16:24 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.hackdaworld.org/
16:25 < madtux> _Ragnar_, get a little closer.. u can kiss my shoe
16:25 < madtux> *g*
16:26 < rxr> .oO(more people to be mirgrated to t2 sde ...)
16:26 < Stelz> :)
16:26 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i'm waiting for you at frappr :)
16:28  * rxr too
16:28  * Stelz too mb :)
16:30 < demian> rxr: dunt think so, at least at first glance
16:32  * demian doing finishing work until new year...
16:34 < demian> cya in 2006.
16:34 < demian> bye
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16:37 < Stelz> :)
17:13 < CIA-20> amery * r14137 /trunk/package/network/psi/psi.desc: * fixed psi [U] and [A] by request of Hal Rottenberg <halr9000@gmail.com>
17:24 < rxr> so
17:26 < CIA-20> rene * r14138 /trunk/target/install/ (build_stage2.sh rootfs/sbin/init): 
17:26 < CIA-20> * fixed install/ 2nd_stage_small creation to be lib64 aware, run
17:26 < CIA-20>  ldconfig at build time to create images with correct links and
17:26 < CIA-20>  cache and disabled it at install/ boot-time
17:26 < rxr> mnemoc: some parts of this revision should go into 2.1 as well
17:27 < rxr> maybe I do this - since that revision has some bits that do not exist in 2.1 at all and some more bits are pure cleanup on the way
17:27 < rxr> it can be stripped down to a 3 line change I think
17:34 < CIA-20> rene * r14139 /trunk/target/install/build_stage2.sh: 
17:34 < CIA-20> * further silenced warnings in lib64 handling of install/ for non-lib64
17:34 < CIA-20>  architectures
17:47 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14140 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/50-minimal-desktop.in: * remove strace from generic/minimal-desktop (now in minimal, see rev 14133)
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17:49 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14141 /trunk/package/develop/lua/ (lua-config lua.conf): 
17:49 < CIA-20> * fix LUA_ROOT (needs / at end of path)
17:49 < CIA-20> * lua-config support libdir and includedir
18:43 < CIA-20> rene * r14142 /trunk/package/base/procps/procps.conf: * made sure the right lib{,64} is used for procps
18:48 < CIA-20> rene * r14143 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/ (hotplug++.conf hotplug++.desc): * updated hotplug++ (0.0.2 -> 0.0.3)
19:04 < mipe> i'm off
19:05 < mipe> rxr: could you email to ml when trunk iso is available?
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20:13 < mnemoc> rehi
20:16 < CIA-20> amery * r14144 /branches/2.1/package/java/kaffe/dompatch_1.1.7-in_transit.diff: * updated temporal dompatch for kaffe
20:25 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14145 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/mesa.conf: * use cp -a install of install to correctly copy the lib*.so links
20:32 < jsaw> hmmm... "instead of install"...
20:32 < jsaw> hi all
20:33 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFFD2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
20:33 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
20:34 < mnemoc> hi nzg 
20:34 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
20:34 < Stelz> ??
20:34 < Stelz> oops
20:34 < Stelz> :D
20:34 < jsaw> hi Stelz 
20:34 < nzg> moin
20:34 < jsaw> hi nzg 
20:34 < Stelz> hi, mnemoc, nzg, jsaw :)
20:34 < mnemoc> nzg: http://www.frappr.com/t2 :)
20:34 < Stelz> mnemoc: :))))))))
20:34 < Stelz> just
20:34 < Stelz> set it in our topic :)
20:34 < mnemoc> Stelz: do you have pictures of your keyboard?
20:35 < Stelz> ?
20:35 < mnemoc> i have never seen a .ru keyboard :p
20:35 < Stelz> argh..
20:35 < Stelz> but it's a logitech internet navigator keyboard second edition
20:35 < Stelz> black
20:35 < Stelz> with en & ru symbols on buttons
20:36 < mnemoc> using just a switch button?
20:36 < Stelz> yeah
20:36 < Stelz> ctrl+shift
20:36 < mnemoc> ah, ok
20:36 < Stelz> mnemoc: 
20:36 < Stelz> :Stelz : set it in our topic :)
20:36 < Stelz> :)
20:37 < Stelz> i'm about frappr
20:37 < Stelz> with any nice color, for example red :)
20:37 < nzg> mnemoc: nice, but disturbing as a startpage
20:38 < mnemoc> nzg: i'm also 'disturbed' having it as startpage
20:38 < mnemoc> Stelz: colors are not portable :)
20:38 < Stelz> argh
20:38 < Stelz> what about of bold ?
20:38 < mnemoc> nah
20:39 < nzg> Stelz: it depends on the client
20:39 < Stelz> or just set it with any decorations
20:39 < Stelz> :)
20:39 < Stelz> *without
20:39 < mnemoc> not sure.... too much stuff on the $topic already
20:40 < Stelz> :)
20:40 < Stelz> as u wish..
20:41 < Stelz> gigi
20:41 < mnemoc> :)
20:41 < Stelz> te'06 coming soon :)
20:43 < mnemoc> te?
20:44 < Stelz> http://www.trance-energy.nl/te2006/ :D
20:44 < mnemoc> crappy music
20:44  * Stelz loves it :>
20:45 < Stelz> like much more other people ;>
20:45 < mnemoc> :)
20:46 < Stelz> trance rules the world :)
20:46 < Stelz> & u know it
20:46 < Stelz> especially in Germany :)
20:46 < Stelz> & holland
20:46 < mnemoc> not here
20:46 < Stelz> :)
20:47 < Stelz> mnemoc: just listen armin van buuren - shivers
20:47 < mnemoc> will you go to .nl for that?
20:47 < Stelz> 3rd track on that site :)
20:48 < Stelz> hm, i don't know..
20:48 < Stelz> but i want :)
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20:48 < Stelz> gigi
20:49 < misl> hi folks
20:49 < mnemoc> hi misl 
20:49 < Stelz> + misl (n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl) has joined #t2
20:49 < Stelz> :D
20:49 < Stelz> hello, misl
20:57 < jsaw> oh oh
20:58 < mnemoc> oh oh?
20:58 < jsaw> usr/bin/su is part of coreutils... now this is in shadow: mv $root/usr/bin/{login,su} $root/bin/
20:58 < misl> jsaw: it's not oh oh time
20:58 < misl> it's ho, ho hooo time :)
20:58 < jsaw> :)
20:58 < jsaw> yet, that su thing is "oh oooh"
20:59 < mnemoc> stupid shadow new staff
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20:59 < jsaw> mnemoc: it's in shadow.conf (so don't shout too loud...)
20:59 < mnemoc> *G*
21:02 < mnemoc> ho ho hooo
21:37 < jsaw> hmmm
21:37 < jsaw> which one to use??? shadow's or coreutils su ???
21:37 < mnemoc> shadow i fear
21:37 < jsaw> why?
21:38 < mnemoc> because it may be more aware of nasty changes on shadow and pam
21:39 < jsaw> hmmm... and shadow seems to be selinux aware
21:41 < mnemoc> http://www.thkukuk.de/pam/pwdutils/ :)
21:41 < jsaw> *GAH*
21:42  * mnemoc always looking for alternatives to arcane or degenerated core packages
21:42 < jsaw> good attitude
21:42 < jsaw> though time consuming ... 
21:42 < mnemoc> :)
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21:48 < jsaw> mnemoc: did or will you add it?
21:49 < mnemoc> will.... but feel free to do it yourself :)
21:49 < jsaw> :p
21:50 < mnemoc> you are Dr.G, no excuse.
21:50 < jsaw> hehe
21:50 -!- jsaw is now known as DrG
21:50 < DrG> ok ok
21:50 -!- DrG is now known as jsaw
21:50 < Stelz> :)
21:51 < Stelz> mnemoc: 2.1.1..
21:52 < mnemoc> rene had some pending commits for that
21:52 < Stelz> :)
21:52 < Stelz> kk
21:56 < CIA-20> amery * r14146 /branches/2.1/package/kde/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
21:56 < CIA-20> * merged 12499 from trunk: updated koffice (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2)
21:56 < CIA-20> * merged 12500 from trunk: updated koffice-i18n (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2)
21:59 < jsaw> mnemoc: pwdutils <-> coreutils/shadow, config option? 
21:59 < jsaw> or default?
21:59 < jsaw> (somehow I think pwdutils should be default)
21:59 < mnemoc> i make alternatives 'O', and pkgsel
22:00 < mnemoc> i'm not sure about making a non-standard alternative package default on a SDE
22:00 < jsaw> I don't think it is an alternative... I was always wondering why my ch.. did not work with ldap at our institute... now I know
22:01 < mnemoc> it works with proper pam_ldap config
22:01 < jsaw> mnemoc: but SDE uses superior software...
22:01 < jsaw> mnemoc: not everything...
22:01 < mnemoc> password        required        pam_cracklib.so
22:01 < mnemoc> password        sufficient      pam_ldap.so use_authtok
22:01 < mnemoc> password        sufficient      pam_unix.so use_authtok
22:01 < mnemoc> password        required        pam_deny.so
22:01 < mnemoc> that works
22:01 < jsaw> yep
22:02 < mnemoc> first add the package as O, then we see if it may become default on 2.2 :)
22:02 < mnemoc> agreE?
22:02 < jsaw> :)
22:03 < mnemoc> we use superior software.... can shadow be considered 'deprecated' considering it's actively degradated^Wdeveloped?
22:03 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14147 /trunk/package/base/coreutils/disable-su.patch: * disable su, use shadow's su
22:04 < jsaw> :)
22:05 < karasz> hello
22:06 < karasz> mnemoc, ?
22:07 < mnemoc> uhm?
22:07 < karasz> i made a stupid thing...
22:07 < karasz> installed T2 on my wks and selected console fonts kernel default (none)
22:08 < karasz> now i do not have fonts on the console
22:08 < mnemoc> uhm?
22:08 < karasz> but i can ssh in the machine
22:08 < mnemoc> i have console fonts kernel default too
22:08 < mnemoc> call stone and change whatever you did
22:08 < karasz> yes but they are not (none) i guess
22:08 < karasz> yes
22:09 < mnemoc> none means 'do nothing special on boot'
22:09 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14148 /trunk/package/base/pwdutils/ (. pwdutils.conf pwdutils.desc): * add pwdutils (3.0.7)
22:09 < jsaw> mnemoc: now you do the test 
22:09 < jsaw> ;)
22:09 < mnemoc> :p
22:09 < mnemoc> after 2.1.1
22:09 < jsaw> np
22:10 < mnemoc> but i want it as default on mnemosyne
22:10 < mnemoc> thanks for packaging it
22:10 < jsaw> hehe
22:10 < jsaw> welcome
22:11 < karasz> resolved
22:11 < karasz> i use default 8x16 
22:11 < karasz> now i have fonts :)
22:11 < karasz> god bless ssh
22:12 < mnemoc> i have 'none'
22:13 < karasz> you are special
22:13 < karasz> now svn co time
22:16 < karasz> i want to emerge a full xfce descktop
22:17 < mnemoc> brave
22:17 < karasz> why?
22:17 < mnemoc> i don't emerge, i do targets.
22:17 < karasz> i wanted to ask for some directions...
22:17 < karasz> it is not recomended to emerge?
22:18 < mnemoc> one or two packages, yes
22:18 < mnemoc> update too
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22:19 < mnemoc> but emerging a whole X+xfce is kind of greedy
22:19 < mnemoc> hi ojh 
22:19 < karasz> hi ojh 
22:20 < karasz> btw on x86-64 minimal 2.1.0 one cannot use sreiserFS
22:21 < mnemoc> why?
22:21 < karasz> kernel panic on reboot
22:21 < mnemoc> outch
22:21 < karasz> i use ext3 usualy
22:21 < mnemoc> can you build a minimal of 2.1 head and see if still happening? :)
22:22 < karasz> lemme settle in on my wks and then it is not a problem
22:22 < mnemoc> sure
22:24 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14149 /trunk/misc/lua/ (12 files in 3 dirs): 
22:24 < CIA-20> * sort lua t2 components into subdirectories
22:24 < CIA-20> * some cleanup and preparation for a sde install tool
22:29 < mnemoc> jsaw: current CopyPatch preserves any Copyright line, so you can add your name to your lua stuff :)
22:30 < jsaw> mnemoc: it's already there...
22:30 < mnemoc> :)
22:30 < jsaw> habit...
22:31 < jsaw> first thing I do usually, is adding copyright+gpl license header...
22:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: any idea for a name for the package.db parser? 
22:35 < mnemoc> pkgdb ?
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22:36 < jsaw> hmmm. is the difference between our package database and the package.db file on a installation medium clear?
22:36 < mnemoc> sure
22:36 < mnemoc> package.db point to pre-built packages
22:36 < mnemoc> afaik
22:36 < jsaw> so be it :)
22:37 < mnemoc> :)
22:45 < jsaw> .oO(what a shitty package.db format)
22:45 < mnemoc> i would replace it :p
22:52 < jsaw> o.O
22:52 < jsaw>                 if [ "$SDECFG_PKGFILE_TYPE" = "gem" ] ; then
22:52 < jsaw>                         bfile=${pkg}${v}.gem
22:52 < jsaw>                 else
22:52 < jsaw>                         bfile=${pkg}${v}.tar.bz2
22:52 < jsaw>                 fi
22:52 < jsaw> create_pacakge_db in functions.in
22:54 < valentin> jsaw: take a look at the package.db parser in lua
22:54 < jsaw> valentin: I'm currently revising it... (actually only trying to understand, then I'll put it into a function)
22:54 < jsaw> hi valentin btw
22:54 < CIA-20> aldas * r14150 /trunk/package/network/liferea/liferea.desc: * updated liferea (0.9.7 -> 1.0)
22:55 < valentin> hi jsaw 
22:56 < valentin> well, there is not much to understand - it is a gziped, command char separated concatenation of desc, pkgfile and file list
22:56 < jsaw> valentin: I mean the program flow
22:56 < jsaw> haven't done a lot of programming lately...
22:57 < valentin> s/pkgfile/cachefile
22:58 < jsaw> valentin: what is package.db used for (in the sense of "do we really need to read this info?")
22:58 < jsaw> eh
22:58 < jsaw> I mean 
22:58 < valentin> well, it loops over the input calling t2_desc.parse read_deps read_flist for each package record
22:58 < jsaw> s/info?/info always?/
22:59 < valentin> jsaw: just a hack, because reading 10000 .gem file headers is slow when installing from cdrom
22:59 < jsaw> valentin: I know. What I mean is, it's only useful when using some gui, or?
22:59 < valentin> yes, an installer listing all packages
22:59 < valentin> like gasgui
22:59 < mnemoc> sam will need it
22:59 < jsaw> hmmm.
22:59 < mnemoc> to get the list of 'possible' updates
22:59 < valentin> sam was ?
23:00 < mnemoc> apt :)
23:00 < mnemoc> + stone
23:00 < valentin> mnemoc: what about /var/adm/packages ?
23:00 < jsaw> so { Ãpackage, ttle } is enough!
23:00 < jsaw> title*
23:00 < mnemoc> valentin: remotely
23:00 < valentin> jsaw: not realy, if you want to take into account dependencies and package size
23:00 < jsaw> hmm, ic
23:00 < mnemoc> valentin: http get package.db .... think think think .... fetch the needed parts
23:01 < valentin> and displaying all the [T] stuff is a nice feature for an installer, too
23:01 < jsaw> yeah, but that's something you can read on request
23:01 < jsaw> I want to keep memory usage at the bare minimum
23:01 < valentin> mnemoc: so you want to keep this all-info-in-single file-hack for sam ?
23:01 < mnemoc> valentin: all usefull info
23:02 < valentin> jsaw: feel free to alter this file format - most parts like detailed file list shouldn't be stored in ram anyway
23:02 < jsaw> what's useful here?
23:02 < mnemoc> $pkg $ver ... filename checksum size ?
23:03 < jsaw> { name, ver, title, dependencies, cksum, size } ?
23:04 < jsaw> (filename is "$pkg-$ver.*")
23:04 < mnemoc> not sure
23:04 < jsaw> k
23:04 < jsaw> { name, ver, filename, title, dependencies, cksum, size } ?
23:04 < jsaw> valentin, mnemoc: what's missing?
23:04 < mnemoc> .oO( deps ... i hate deps )o
23:05 < jsaw> oh, category
23:05 < jsaw> damn, list grows
23:05 < mnemoc> { name, title, ver, dependencies, filename, cksum, size } is more meaningful
23:05 < valentin> jsaw: priority in {update, critical-fix}
23:05 < jsaw> we don't have this yet,  DO WE????
23:05 < mnemoc> a number from 0 to 9 for that?
23:05 < valentin> so the gui can have red blinking ligths and alarm noises
23:06 < mnemoc> jsaw: we don't, but it's good to use the same format in future
23:07 < mnemoc> we don't even have usable categories currently, but we need to have one day
23:07 < jsaw> yeah
23:08 < valentin> damn, almost Xmas eve and my xsnow is not working
23:08 < jsaw> valentin: don't you want to publish lzlib.c as independent package on "luaforge.net" ???? (hint hint)
23:08 < valentin> jsaw: therefore it is to incomplete :/ it only features lines operator
23:08 < jsaw> and?
23:09 < jsaw> publish as alpha... 
23:09 < valentin> and due to the bad lua io design i would have to reimplement all the io functions
23:09 < valentin> jsaw: how to package it ?
23:09 < jsaw> 5.1 promises to improve this
23:09 < valentin> is there a special build system used for lua packages ?
23:10 < jsaw> valentin: sadly, no
23:10 < jsaw> valentin: you may use "lua-config" like debian does it
23:10 < jsaw> but there's nothing official I'm afraid
23:10 < jsaw> and actually nobody seems to care.
23:10 < jsaw> lua ppl seem to be used to modify Makefiles...
23:11 < valentin> there is just one singe .c file, anyway
23:12 < valentin> afair most lua wrappers for c librarys are published this way
23:12 < jsaw> yeah
23:13 < jsaw> mnemoc, valentin: what subdirectory will/should we use for the script files, "t2" or "sde" (like 
23:13 < jsaw> require "sde/pkgdb"
23:13 < jsaw> or so
23:13 < jsaw> ?
23:13 < mnemoc> for installed tools i use /usr/sbin
23:13 < mnemoc> and /usr/lib/sam
23:14 < valentin> i think he means "in t2 source"
23:14 < mnemoc> misc/lua/t2 ? :p
23:19 < jsaw> first, misc/lua/src, later lua-libdir/t2/... and lua-sharedir/t2/...
23:19 < jsaw> eh misc/lua/t2
23:20 < mnemoc> :)
23:20 < jsaw> or all to usr/lib/sam ?
23:20 < mnemoc> i think lua at lua is ok
23:21 < jsaw> yeah, but which "subdirectory" ?
23:21 < jsaw> sde,sam,t2?
23:22 < rxr> re
23:22 < jsaw> ho ho hooo
23:22 < jsaw> hi rxr
23:22 < mnemoc> buti wanted to use 'sde' as a unified tree-smart tool to do scripts/ and misc/archive stuff
23:23 < mnemoc> PATH-friendly
23:23 < jsaw> ok, so "sde", we want to hammer this term into ppls minds anyway :)
23:23 < mnemoc> :)
23:25 < mnemoc> wb rxr
23:25 < mnemoc> rxr: will you merge today the changes for the installer?
23:26 < rxr> mnemoc: typo in you mine dialog "fix"
23:26 < mnemoc> oh
23:27 < rxr> what installer ?
23:27 < rxr> ah - 2.1 ...
23:27 < rxr> what was that I wanted to merge ?
23:27 < rxr> lib64?
23:27 < mnemoc> no idea, but you did something today :)
23:27 < rxr> I do so much everydaz ..
23:28 < rxr> we need to compile latest mine with -DROCK20 ,-)
23:30 < mnemoc> i think it was lib64 thingy
23:30 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14151 /trunk/misc/lua/t2/ (desc.lua hooks.lua pkgdb.lua): 
23:30 < CIA-20> * add some more notes to lua files
23:30 < CIA-20> * only take a line-iterator for the pkgdb parser
23:30 < CIA-20>  (no use of zlib directly, 'cause we may use lzo later?)
23:31 < CIA-20> rene * r14152 /trunk/package/archiver/mine/mine.conf: 
23:31 < CIA-20> * fixed typo in changed dialog detection (package_s_)
23:31 < CIA-20> * fixed mine to build with -DROCK20, since they introduced crappy
23:31 < CIA-20>  version hackery when compiled without that define that has regresions
23:31 < CIA-20>  when a version tag ends with spaces ... (substituted to dashes)
23:31 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14153 /trunk/misc/lua/ (8 files in 2 dirs): * use subdirectory "sde" for lua modules
23:31 < rxr> when all goes well I can not resync the minimals* an tag 2.2.0-epsilon or so
23:31 < rxr> s/not/now/
23:32 < mnemoc> :)
23:32 < jsaw> I'll start versioning lua stuff with aleph,bet,gimmel etc. :p
23:32 < mnemoc> o.o
23:32 < jsaw> (hebrew)
23:32 < mnemoc> which alphabet is that? german?
23:32 < mnemoc> :)
23:32 < mnemoc> thanks
23:33 < jsaw> http://www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm
23:34 < rxr> mnemoc: what tag name do you want now that I already promoted livecds as alpha to delta ?
23:34 < rxr> 2.2.0-epsilon ?
23:34 < mnemoc> it starts with tet, not alef... cheater
23:35 < mnemoc> epsilon seems better than rc....
23:35 < rxr> yes - it is not rc quality
23:35 < rxr> january 1st can get a rc ,-)
23:36 < jsaw> mnemoc: "right-to-left" !!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:36 < rxr> valentin: so we use Janna for 2.2.0 ?
23:36 < mnemoc> yes, janna
23:36 < mnemoc> he wants it or not
23:36 < jsaw> :)
23:36 < rxr> .oO
23:37 < rxr> then I fly you in just to be not the only one getting his flame ...
23:37 < mnemoc> and start making arrangements because we need a name for 2.3
23:37 < mnemoc> :)
23:38 < rxr> oh - I'm sure there are others that get one or another child till then ...
23:38 < mnemoc> :)
23:38 < rxr> you have to wait for s.th. like 3.0 or 4.0 for one of mine
23:38 < mnemoc> nah... 2.4 at last
23:39 < mnemoc> 3.0 will be jsaw's grandson :p
23:39 < jsaw> :)
23:40 < rxr> jsaw: btw.
23:40  * jsaw hides
23:40 < rxr> jsaw: have you seen my hotplug++ commit?
23:40 < rxr> I disabled input because I could nto figure out what parsing you hacked there ...
23:40 < valentin> re
23:40 < jsaw> lemma see
23:40 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, php still have broken phpbuilddir
23:40 < rxr> it inf.loops for input map on recent kernels ...
23:40 < valentin> hi rxr
23:40 < rxr> hi valentin 
23:40 < mnemoc> wb valentin 
23:41 < rxr> jsaw: some line in the input module with ptr and eptr or so ..
23:41 < valentin> rxr: what is this -DROCK20 ?
23:41 < CIA-20> rene * r14154 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_install.sh: 
23:41 < CIA-20> * implemented skipping of cdroms in the new u/dev aware stone install
23:41 < CIA-20>  module (untested)
23:41 < jsaw> rxr: I don't remember... :(
23:41 < rxr> valentin: it was already there, with this define the code is sane, without you get broken code intended for rock 2.1 and above
23:42 < valentin> rxr: somehow i like this name janna :)
23:42 < jsaw> rxr: I have to review it in january.
23:42 < rxr> jsaw: so mental note, add comments to later versions
23:42 < CIA-20> amery * r14155 /branches/2.1/package/emulators/wine/ (wine.cache wine.desc): * merged 14045 from trunk: changed wine to not build for x86-64 and powerpc64, because we don't provide enough 32bits enviroment for it yet
23:42 < valentin> rxr: rock hackery ?
23:42 < CIA-20> rene * r14156 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/mkinitrd: * silence cpio/gzip check in new mkinitrd
23:42 < rxr> valentin: yes, in mine
23:42 < rxr> had to hunt it for some minutes until I foudn this place ...
23:42 < mnemoc> wont you drop mine on 2.2?
23:43 < rxr> and burned 3 cd-rw cycles on the way
23:43 < rxr> mnemoc: I wanted but miss the time
23:43 < valentin> #ifdef T2SDE // insert some crap code #elif ROCK20 // insert some real code #endif ?
23:43 < rxr> when I have spare time, mine is the first thing to die
23:43 < rxr> valentin: no, they really intent it for ROCK21 - but it is broken - most probably not tested at all
23:43 < valentin> rxr: are you in lauenau ?
23:43 < rxr> and does not what we have
23:44 < rxr> valentin: yes
23:44 < valentin> well, i like clean .tar.<compressor> packages anyway
23:44 < jsaw> rxr: how can this loop... o.O
23:45 < valentin> so ppl don't bother me on linux events with "why yet another new package format ?"
23:45 < rxr> valentin: we hav etha tin 2.1
23:45 < rxr> that
23:45 < valentin> rxr: i know
23:45 < rxr> I hacked up mine to not include bzip2 decompression and execute any external filter as needed
23:45 < jsaw> rxr: oh, ic, another eptr
23:45 < mnemoc> what thing?
23:45 < karasz> hi
23:45 < karasz> xmkmf?
23:46 < rxr> hi karasz 
23:46 < valentin> hi karasz 
23:46 < rxr> btw. we could save some kB on the CD by removing COPY tags in the package.db
23:46 < karasz> dld x86-64, installed now tryin' to emerge xfce
23:46 < mnemoc> karasz: xorg
23:47 < karasz> but emerge say that xmkmf does not exist, nothing to build...
23:47 < mnemoc> xorg
23:47 < karasz> oki
23:48 < rxr> valentin: and btw. we do not have a C coded 1st_stage loader anymore
23:48 < mnemoc> sh is nice :)
23:48 < mnemoc> C *hard*coded
23:48 < rxr> 2.2 installer does use my @Live CD technology with a portable shell code init
23:49 < rxr> patent pending
23:49 < mnemoc> :)
23:49 < jsaw> :D
23:50 < valentin> nice
23:50 < mnemoc> rxr: did you try mipe's patch for kdemultimedia? i want to tag 2.1.1 :p
23:50 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, karasz reported kernel panic when using reiserfs of 2.1/x86-64
23:56 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.2.0-delta2? :p
23:57 < mnemoc> well... yes, epsilon.
23:58 < rxr> mnemoc: the patch is far too big
23:58 < rxr> hm
23:58 < rxr> I never had a reiser kernel panic on x86-64
23:59 < rxr> more likely devfs
23:59 < mnemoc> devfS?
23:59 < CIA-20> amery * r14157 /branches/2.1/package/ (15 files in 15 dirs): * added missing .cache files to new on 2.1.1 packages
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