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00:04  * demian kicks CIA-4 
00:04 < CIA-4> ow
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00:15 < sepp> mnemoc: on http://www.frappr.com/t2 the url is wrong 'htt://www.t2-project.org/'.sub('htt', 'http')
00:15 < mnemoc> oops
00:16 < mnemoc> .oO( what language was that? )o
00:16 < sepp> uhm ruby
00:16 < sepp> or perl iirc
00:17 < mnemoc> fixed
00:17 < sepp> :)
00:17 < mnemoc> ruby i guess, because it's not perl :)
00:17 < sepp> yes 
00:18 < sepp> :D
00:19 < sepp> "sub(x,y)" was not perl?
00:19 < mnemoc> string.sub(source,target) is not perl
00:21 < sepp> hmm i wonder where else i saw string.sub
00:22 < mnemoc> python?
00:23 < mnemoc> java?
00:25 < sepp> hmm never mine - i don't remember what else has string.sub
00:25 < sepp> mind*
00:27 < mnemoc> :)
00:31 < morfoh> wb mnemoc :)
00:32 < mnemoc> thx morfoh 
00:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: for what ? for being such a sucker ? ;)
00:33 < mnemoc> for 'welcoming' me :)
00:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: yaw master sucker :)
00:35 < mnemoc> thanks big sucker :)
00:35 < sepp> hi frappr admin :)
00:36 < mnemoc> :)
00:36 < morfoh> who is frappr admin here ?
00:37 < sepp> mnemoc ?
00:37 < sepp> frappr.com/t2 ...
00:37 < mnemoc> anyone with the password
00:38 < sepp> i don't know - i still wonder how they "place" you on the map
00:38 < mnemoc> you tell it
00:38 < sepp> no, i just gave the city name
00:38 < morfoh> ip
00:39 < sepp> hmmm
00:39 < mnemoc> i doubt
00:39 < morfoh> me not
00:39 < sepp> it was a bad guess for me :)
00:39 < mnemoc> i think they have a center for each city +-random
00:39 < mnemoc> my ip doesn't point to rancagua
00:39 < mnemoc> iirc it doesn't even point to chile
00:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: these are your informations :p
00:40 < sepp> only thing that its right on my entry is the city
00:41 < sepp> it looks like they placed it in the middle of the city
00:41 < mnemoc> city coordinates, quite simple
00:41 < morfoh> so I live very "centred" 
00:41 < mnemoc> but there is a random factor
00:42 < mnemoc> compare your original location with susan's
00:42  * demian crosses fingers and does an smoke test
00:42 < morfoh> demian: smoke test ?
00:42 < demian> switch it on, and see if smoke comes out of it.
00:43 < morfoh> hehe
00:43 < mnemoc> morfoh: did you see where they put susan?
00:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... indeed it's allmost the same 
00:44 < mnemoc> but not exactly the same
00:44 < morfoh> I'd say Susan's coordinates are ... I'd say 30-500m westwards
00:44 < morfoh> 300
00:44 < demian> who is susan ?
00:45 < morfoh> our gnome maintainer ;)
00:46 < demian> ic.
00:47 < demian> never seen her.
00:47 < morfoh> of course she's also the better half of our head developer :p
00:47 < sepp> "foo".sub("foo", "bar") <- that does not work in python
00:48 < morfoh> I think, she's mostly very busy with her studies :)
00:48 < mnemoc> she finish now
00:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: she finished ? our she will finish soon ?
00:49  * demian notes sepp continues finding the appropiate language to run its code..
00:49 < sepp> lol
00:50 < sepp> i know that it works with ruby - i just search where else i saw sub
00:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: she finish this semester afaik
00:51 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh! cool ... didn't knew that :)
00:51 < morfoh> mnemoc: guess what else has finished yet :p
00:52 < sepp> good night 
00:52 < morfoh> gn8 sepp
00:52 < demian> gn8 sepp 
00:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you want me to install the java crap ?
00:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: nope
00:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: good :)
00:54 < mnemoc> ooo failed?!
00:54 < morfoh> yep
00:54 < morfoh> gecko sdk issue afais
00:54 < mnemoc> wtf
00:55 < mnemoc> bad thing
00:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: as you can imagine the err log is quite big compared to the common ones
00:55 < morfoh> 6M or so
00:56 < mnemoc> outch
00:56 < mnemoc> i'll not fetch it
00:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: you can if you want
00:57 < morfoh> binaryuno.cs(178,9): error CS0266: Cannot implicitly convert type `void*' to `int*'. An explicit conversion exists (are you missing a cast?)
00:57 < morfoh> Compilation failed: 1 error(s), 0 warnings
00:57 < morfoh> dmake:  Error code 1, while making '../../unxlngi6.pro/bin/cli_uno_bridge.dll'
00:57 < morfoh> '---* tg_merge.mk *---'
00:57 < morfoh> ERROR: Error 65280 occurred while making /TOOLCHAIN/src.ooo.ref.20051221.120951.19706.atlien/ooo-build-2.0.0.1/build/ooo680-m3/bridges/source/mono_uno
00:57 < morfoh> make: *** [stamp/build] Error 1
00:57  * mnemoc looking at gtkmozembed-sharp
00:57 < mnemoc> i'll disable mono
00:57 < mnemoc> for ooo
00:58 < mnemoc> i got the same error on 2.0.0.2 for p4
00:58 < morfoh> hmmmm ... shit
00:59 < morfoh> IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR ALL GMP USERS: 
00:59 < morfoh> GMP is very often miscompiled! We are seeing ever increasing problems with mis-compilations of the GMP code. Please never use your newly compiled libgmp.a or libgmp.so without first running make check. If it doesn't run without errors, don't trust the library
00:59 < mnemoc> i hate monster software
00:59 < morfoh> just a note from ---> http://www.swox.com/gmp/
00:59 < mnemoc> o.o
01:00 < morfoh> just a note for my stable release maintainer ;)
01:00 < morfoh> of course I'll have an eye on it too ;)
01:01 < mnemoc> package/base/howtos <--- download it from my box please
01:01 < morfoh> in future I'll check that issue very strictly because some security related apps depend on gmp ... like my beloved strongswan
01:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok
01:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: what was the URL ?
01:05 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/2.1-stable/
01:05 < mnemoc> rxr: can you see 2.1's howtos on gsmp? thanks :)
01:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: 25k/s
01:07 < mnemoc> good enough?
01:07 < morfoh> yeah
01:08 < morfoh> you know ... I don't need that much for being happy :p
01:10 < morfoh> it seems to be shaped anyway 
01:10 < morfoh> it could be faster :)
01:11 < mnemoc> :)
01:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: do I have to do much to remove mono support from ooo ... that I can run a ooo build during my sleep cycle ?
01:17 < mnemoc> minute
01:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, why do we use ximian's version ?
01:18 < CIA-4> amery * r14095 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: * disabled mono support on ooo, temporarily
01:19 < mnemoc> because sun is a big piece of crap
01:19 < mnemoc> sun's
01:19 < mnemoc> morfoh: merge that
01:20 < morfoh> roger that ;)
01:21 < ojh> Anyone know how to make Frapper.com display hyperlinks as part of one's profile?
01:22 < mnemoc> no idea
01:23 < morfoh> arrrrrggg
01:23 < mnemoc> ?
01:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: sorry ... nothing important ... just synced the wrong local tree :|
01:24 < morfoh> anyway ... no problem
01:27 < morfoh> damn .... ooo build eats hdd resources
01:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... ref build rescheduled ... let's see what ooo "says" in some hours 
01:29 < ojh> http://www.caedes.net/Zephir.cgi?lib=Caedes::Gallery&author=harbenger&page=1
01:29 < ojh> Sorry, wrong tab selected.
01:31 < morfoh> ojh: anyway ... nice wallpapers there ;)
01:31 < ojh> morfoh: THX. :-)
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02:03 < mnemoc> rehi
02:06 < demian> wb mnemoc 
02:06 < mnemoc> thx demian 
02:10 < demian> ping ?
02:10 < madtux> pong !
02:11 < mnemoc> broadcast?
02:11 < kristian> pong (dup)
02:12 < demian> restarted router..
02:13 < mnemoc> :)
02:15 < morfoh> rehi
02:15 < mnemoc> wb morfoh :)
02:15 < morfoh> but just for some minutes ... ;)
02:16 < mnemoc> yes? will you sleep 'early' today?
02:16 < madtux> god damn mortals
02:16 < morfoh> have to sleep ... my parents will arive  tomorrow 
02:16 < morfoh> errrrhhhhmmm ... today
02:16 < morfoh> aijaijai .... the guy from costa rica :)
02:17 < morfoh> yes ... mnemoc ... my sleep cycle isn't that healthy atm. :/
02:17 < madtux> hey there guy from the cave
02:18 < madtux> morfoh, u do realize that u are telling that to the guys maybe has the most unhealthy sleep cycle on the chan right?
02:19 < demian> are u talking about me?   ^^^
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02:19 < madtux> demian, u don't beat mnemoc 
02:19 < madtux> be back in a while... stuff to do again
02:19 < morfoh> I know ... we're all no "saints" regarding this topic ;)
02:20 < demian> how old are u mnemoc ?
02:21 < demian> still calculating the number? ...
02:21 < morfoh> demian: hehe ... don't try to "screw" master mnemoc :p
02:22 < morfoh> he will vaporize you and your systems very quickly ;D
02:23 < morfoh> demian: at least ... one day he was looking like as fresh like you
02:28 < MisterN> n8
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02:30 < mnemoc> demian: 27
02:31 < morfoh> .oO( look ... this young chilean men )o. :)
02:31 < morfoh> alright ya ... good night folks
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02:52 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
02:52 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
02:52 [Users #t2]
02:52 [@ChanServ] [ jsaw    ] [ madtux] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly] 
02:52 [ _Ragnar_] [ karasz  ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ Stelz    ] 
02:52 [ CIA-4   ] [ kristian] [ mtr_  ] [ rxr_] [ valentin ] 
02:52 [ demian  ] [ LMJ     ] [ ojh   ] [ sepp] 
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02:59 < demian> who is the youngest here ?
02:59 < demian> someone with an age less than 22 ?
03:00 < kristian> 25 here
03:01 < demian> owl: ?
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03:11 < mnemoc> owl has 14
03:13 < demian> i know he is not 14
03:13 < mnemoc> he?
03:13 < demian> she was an age around mine.
03:13 < demian> argw.. s/he/she
03:16 < demian> ripclaw is also at t2 ?
03:18 < mnemoc> nope
03:18 < mnemoc> he leaved rock *years* ago
03:19 < demian> i saw some entried about him in a t2 changelog..
03:19 < mnemoc> i guess it was when i removed his maintainships
03:19 < demian> http://svn.exactcode.de/ChangeLog-t2: removed Stefan Koerner <ripclaw@rocklinux.org> maintainerships
03:20 < demian> seems so.
03:21 < mnemoc> :)
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03:25 < demian> umm.. i forgot i was downloading a t2 iso weeks ago.. let's see..
03:25 < demian> :p
03:27 < demian> t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc3-athlon-xp_cd1.iso
03:28 < demian> md5 is ok too
03:28 < demian> gonna burn and play today !
03:29 < mnemoc> rc3 :)
03:29 < mnemoc> desktop use 2 cd
03:29 < mnemoc> try to get 2.1.0
03:29 < demian> url ?
03:30 < demian> i got both cd2.. the other one is 380mb or so.
03:30 < demian> 398mb.
03:30 < mnemoc> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2/stable/2.1.0/pmmx/t2-desktop/
03:30 < demian> is desktop ok ?
03:31 < mnemoc> it has X and foobar
03:31 < mnemoc> if you want X, desktop is ok
03:31 < demian> similar to rock's desktop target? old rxr's one.
03:31 < demian> ah ok. ;-)
03:31 < mnemoc> it's the same :)
03:37 < demian> ok. remember me to check tomowwor if it was downloaded.. otherwise i wont remeber :p
03:37 < mnemoc> :)
03:37 < mnemoc> i'll try to remember to remember you
03:38 < demian> ;-)
03:39 < demian> something special to know about t2 installation system that an user like me should know? sth relevant ?
03:40 < mnemoc> if you installed rock before, nothing relevant on t2 2.1 installation
03:41 < demian> cool.
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03:56 < ojh> Question: Has any one here done any extencive work using memory-mapped files in Linux?
03:58 < demian> mmap and mmap2?
03:58 < demian> shm ?
03:58 < ojh> demian: mmap2? I did not know that there is nore then 1!
03:59 < demian> man mmap2. almost the same, except by a parameter.
03:59 < demian> dunt remember now clearly..
03:59 < ojh> demian: No, not SHM, I was thinking of syncing using simple file locking. I also need persistance along with maximal speed.
04:00 < demian> how big will bethe files u will handle ?
04:01 < ojh> I was thinking of using a "sparce" file of 1-2 GB.
04:02 < ojh> demian: Naturaly taking advantage of virtual addressing to not actually use that much space.
04:02 < demian> have enough ram for that ?
04:03 < demian> or thinking to use swap.. ?
04:04 < ojh> demian: No, it should just be a virtual mapping. The large "holes" in the data not actually using any resourses. Like how a program can put data anyware in its 4GB space with out actualy using 4 GB of memory.
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04:05 < demian> ah ok.
04:05 < ojh> demian: Hence the store wuold be a "sparce" file that only uses the physical space needed for the actual data.
04:06 < ojh> demian: But I want to do in-memory like pointer operations for the fastest searching.
04:07 < ojh> demian: I want a complete itteration of the search over the dataset for wach key stroke the user makes. I need PERFORMANCE for this to work. :-)
04:08 < kristian> ojh do you think this is possible?
04:08 < ojh> demian: But the file monitor process (using Inotify or whatever) needs to also be able to update the store at any time.
04:08 < kristian> ojh maybe you need something like a hashtable here
04:09 < demian> agree with kristian.. but i still do not recognize the problem itself.
04:09 < ojh> kristian: I intend to use this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitap_algorithm
04:10 < kristian> ojh yes, you told me yesterday. hmm.
04:10 < ojh> demian: I am just contemplating the problem - will this really work?
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04:12 < demian> nice algo.
04:13 < kristian> ojh okay, then tell us how fast that will be. - maybe you will need a timeout there? - check for available memory on every opperation... - just some thoughts
04:14 < demian> if u want to manage free space in memory, i would use a hashtable. if it where into secondary memory, i would use bplus with b-star structures and let them handle the data too. and if want to keep more space, use bit vectors for space.
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04:15 < demian> u could use a memory free blocks cache related to ur data space too, to improbe lookups of free spaces..
04:15 < ojh> demian: I think (I hope) the Kernel's VM manager will take caer of memory management for me.
04:16 < demian> dunno so much about how the linux vmman works.
04:16 < demian> got to sleep, cu tomorrow.
04:17 < ojh> THX, good night.
04:18 < kristian> ojh i just thought that i do not know much programs using propper memory checking while indexing file directories. - there is the point when the kernel just kicks a programm using all available memory
04:18 < kristian> demian cu
04:21 < ojh> kristian: I am hoping that the virtual nature of memory mapped files would take care of low level resouse management, but I am still dealing with potentally a LOT of data in memory.
04:23 < kristian> ojh okay, then just try to take care of it. i wonder if this could also speed up greping in sourcefiles. - maybe some editors could use y tool like this.
04:33 < ojh> kristian: I have read that there are some grep implamentations that use Bitap for fast and fuzzy searches.
04:34 < kristian> ojh me to but the editors are not using it in there fileserch-functions
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05:45 < CIA-4> amery * r14096 /branches/2.1/package/develop/clip/clip.desc: * merged 10579,13440,13917 from trunk: updated clip (1.1.14-1 -> 1.1.15-1)
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06:03 < rxr_> mion
06:03 < rxr_> moin even
06:03 -!- You're now known as rxr
06:04 < Stelz> hi, rxr 
06:05 < Stelz> gi
06:05 < Stelz> X11R6.9 and X11R7.0 Officially Released
06:05 < Stelz> Landmark version X11R7.0 released today with X11R6.9 by the X.Org Foundation
06:05 < Stelz> Brookline, Massachusetts, December 21 2005. The first major version release of the X Window System in more than a decade, X11R7.0 is the first release of the complete modularized and autotooled source code base for the X Window System. X11R6.9, its companion release, contains identical features, and uses the exact same source code as X11R7.0, but with the traditional imake build system.
06:05 < Stelz> :)
06:06 < rxr> hi Stelz - good that we are already at R7RC4 in trunk ,-)
06:06 < Stelz> :)
06:08 < rxr> Stelz: I'll update trunk to -final this evening or so
06:08 < Stelz> very nice :)
06:08 < rxr> need to bring susan to the airport and then 'll travel to my parents for christmas - thus evening is likely ...
06:09 < rxr> and maybe X11R9 for 2.1 ...
06:09 < rxr> so - /me away
06:09 < rxr>  [5] base/gcc                            [5] database/bdb33
06:09 < rxr>  [5] base/pcre                           [5] xorg/xproto
06:09 < rxr>  [5] xorg/imake                          [5] security/gnupg
06:09 < rxr> 989 builds total, 506 completed fine, 6 with errors.
06:09 < rxr> yay
06:09 < rxr> so - cu
06:09 < Stelz> cu, rxr ;)
06:13 < ojh> Night all. ;-)
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06:24 < kristian> Okay, guys have a nice time with T2. See you! :-)
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08:32 < rxr> re
08:36 < Stelz> wb rxr 
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08:58 < rxr> q!
09:28 < CIA-3> rene * r14097 /trunk/package/xorg/imake/imake.conf: * removed outdated imake.conf so it builds (at least on powerpc64)
09:29 < CIA-3> rene * r14098 /trunk/package/base/libtool/libtool.desc: 
09:29 < CIA-3> * build libtool earlier, in stage 1, to have it around for libtool
09:29 < CIA-3>  updates for outdated files in packages
09:29 < CIA-3> rene * r14099 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+.conf: * fixed gtk+ for powerpc64 by injecting -mminimal-toc
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09:42 < sepp> moin
09:43 < sepp> knetconf.desc has a interesting url "[U] http://gtk-sharp.sourceforge.net/" :)
09:44 < rxr> huh?
09:45 < rxr> [D] X knetconf-r281.tar.bz2 svn+http://svn.exactcode.de/netconf/trunk -r281
09:45 < rxr> svn trunk:HEAD
09:45 < rxr> something locally ?
09:45 < sepp> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/knetconf.html <- "URL: http://gtk-sharp.sourceforge.net/"
09:47 < rxr> oh
09:47 < rxr> ah ok
09:49 < CIA-3> rene * r14100 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc: 
09:49 < CIA-3> * replaced wrong URL in ketconf with one pointing to
09:49 < CIA-3>  www.t2-project.org/netconf, to eventually write it one day
09:49 < sepp> hehe
09:52 < jsaw> g'morning
09:52 < rxr> moin jsaw 
09:52 < jsaw> hi rxr 
09:53 < sepp> hi jsaw 
09:53 < jsaw> hi sepp 
09:53 < rxr> hanging out in the uni - waiting for a lacture, a bit early since I acompanies susan to the airport ...
09:54 < jsaw> my children woke me up way too early too
09:54 < rxr> this new dual core ppc64 box is really lovely ... ,-)
09:54 < rxr> jsaw: hehe
09:55 < jsaw> rxr: seen it? I passed :)
10:01 < jsaw> brb
10:12 < jsaw> re
10:12 < jsaw> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=4012069&forum_id=46210
10:12 < jsaw> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=4012097&forum_id=46210
10:12 < jsaw> :D
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10:33 < owl> moin
10:34 < Stelz> moin, owl 
10:34 < owl> demian, mnemnoc: i am 21 years ;) not 14. and: i am female. 
10:35 < Stelz> :))
10:35 < owl> hi Stelz 
10:35 < Stelz> hi ;)
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11:06 < rxr> re
11:07 < rxr> jsaw: oh - congratulations !
11:07 < jsaw> thanks
11:07 < jsaw> gotta go shopping...
11:07 < jsaw> cu later
11:07 < Stelz> hi rxr, jsaw 
11:07 < Stelz> L(
11:07 < Stelz> :)
11:10 < LMJ> good morning
11:11 < rxr> moin LMJ 
11:20 < LMJ> how are you guys ?
11:21 < Stelz> hi, LMJ
11:25 < LMJ> hello rxr  and sepp 
11:25 < LMJ> Stelz *
11:25 < Stelz> :)
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12:57 < rxr> hm - building a multilib, 64/32bit gcc even takes some time on the dual core powermac :-(
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13:17 < MisterN> hi
13:17 < CIA-14> rene * r14101 /trunk/scripts/config.hlp: * fixed typo in config.hlp
13:22 < rxr> hi MisterN 
13:22 < rxr> MisterN: how are you these days?
13:23 < MisterN> well... normal :)
13:23 < MisterN> how come you ask?
13:24 < MisterN> by the way: i tested the 2.2 livecd delta version. my primary impression: many rough edges
13:26 < rxr> well - yes, on the delta udev/hal interaction was broken ... :-(
13:26 < rxr> what oither edges did you found?
13:27 < MisterN> well let me think
13:28 < MisterN> when you shut down, the thing does not eject the cdrom. this really should be done
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13:28 < rxr> well, yeah, ...
13:29 < rxr> anything else, major ?
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13:29 < MisterN> it should be possible to work as root. did not find out how
13:29 < MisterN> hal-device-manager could not be started because pygtk was missing
13:29 < MisterN> this is what i remember
13:30 < rxr> MisterN: the FAQ should have popped up
13:30 < rxr> there it stats to sudo bash 
13:30 < rxr> e.g. with --login additionally
13:30 < rxr> the root account is diabled explicitly
13:30 < MisterN> well k. but iirc sudo did not work either
13:31 < rxr> it should
13:31 < rxr> live password is blank - just hit enter when sudo asks for the users's passwd. ..
13:31 < MisterN> oh yes the most important - but this is related to the broken udev/hal interaction i guess - it did not recoignize my usb stick
13:31 < rxr> the next rebuild will have functional dbus/hal
13:31 < rxr> and I think about how to implement cd ejection ... ;-)
13:32 < MisterN> heh do that. knoppix does :)
13:32 < rxr> MisterN: yes, that used to work in gamma, due to u/dev ever chaning nightmare this accidently got broken in delta and released because noone retested it ... :-((
13:32 < rxr> ouhm - gcc build takes ages
13:33 < rxr> == 11:44:48 =[2]=> Building base/gcc [4.0.2 2.2.0-alpha].
13:33 < rxr> and this is a 1.5GB dual core box ...
13:33 < rxr> my ...
13:33 < rxr> multilib builds ...
13:33 < MisterN> rxr: oh and is monotone in the package list? because this would ease testing gcc for me :D
13:34 < CIA-20> rene * r14102 /trunk/package/network/gsmlib/gcc4.patch: * fixed gsmlib for gcc-4.x
13:34 < rxr> oehm
13:34 < rxr> not on the livecd
13:34 < rxr> maybe we do not even have it in the repositories
13:35 < MisterN> oooh important to be fixed. this is like... not having subversion
13:35 < MisterN> but as i use monotone, it's even more critical:)
13:35 < rxr> cool installing
13:37 < MisterN> monotone 0.24?
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13:58 < CIA-20> rene * r14103 /trunk/package/base/gcc/powerpc64-nonofp.patch: * patched gcc for powerpc64 to not build a nof multilib variant we have no libc for ...
14:30 < rxr> so - cu folks
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14:47 < Baldzius> moin
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15:13 < mnemoc> moin
15:16 < mnemoc> wow... mipe lives in the middle of nothing
15:25 < Baldzius> :)
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15:26 < Baldzius> hi mnemoc
15:26 < mnemoc> hi Baldzius, Stelz 
15:26 < Stelz> hi, MisterN :)
15:26 < Stelz> argh..
15:27 < Stelz> ni, mnemoc :)
15:27 < mnemoc> o.o
15:27 < Stelz> :(
15:27 < Stelz> *hi
15:27 < Stelz> )
15:27 < MisterN> Stelz: you may well greet me. that's no problem for me ;)
15:27 < Stelz> :)
15:28 < karasz> moin all
15:28 < Stelz> moin, karasz 
15:28 < karasz> a dnat in iptables doesn't change my source IP does it?
15:28 < mnemoc> dnat destination
15:28 < mnemoc> snat source
15:28 < CIA-20> amery * r14104 /branches/2.1/package/java/kaffe/dompatch_1.1.7-in_transit.diff: * added disabled patch to kaffe only to send it to test machine, sorry.
15:28 < karasz> yeah
15:33 < karasz> hello mnemoc 
15:34 < karasz> mnemoc, can i bider you for a moment?
15:34 < karasz> even boder..
15:38 < karasz> hmmm... guess not :(
15:38 < mnemoc> just talk ,-)
15:38 < mnemoc> asyncronic communication
15:39 < karasz> i prefer query if it is possible
15:42 < mnemoc> ok
15:42 < mnemoc> go for it :)
16:01 < demian> owl: so you are the youngest here :(
16:01 < CIA-20> aldas * r14105 /trunk/package/network/mtcps/ (compile-fix.patch mtcps.desc): 
16:01 < CIA-20> * updated mtcps (0.2 -> 0.2.2)
16:01 < CIA-20> * added compile-fix.patch
16:01 < demian> hi!
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16:03 < Baldzius> oops Alt+F4 :)
16:04 < CIA-20> aldas * r14106 /trunk/package/perl/perl-libwww/perl-libwww.desc: * updated perl-libwww (5.803 -> 5.805)
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16:08 < Baldzius> G* :)
16:08 < Baldzius> 2x time
16:08  * mnemoc slaps Baldzius 
16:08 < Baldzius> yeah i slept 2 hours :)
16:09 < mnemoc> :)
16:09 < MisterN> Baldzius: in the night?
16:09 < Baldzius> yes :)
16:09 < demian> Baldzius: whenever u want to sleep 2 hours, better do not sleep.
16:09 < Baldzius> i had i big headache and couldn't sleep
16:10 < MisterN> demian: this is _not_ true.
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16:10 < MisterN> it might be better to sleep only 20 minutes.
16:10 < morfoh> moin 
16:10 < Baldzius> and now i man walking like a zombie :)
16:10 < Baldzius> moin morfoh :)
16:11 < demian> umm, in my case, if i sleep more than an hour, when i woke up, i feel worse.
16:11 < CIA-20> aldas * r14107 /trunk/package/network/mproxy/mproxy.desc: * updated mproxy (0.3 -> 0.3.1)
16:11 < MisterN> something like 9 hours is good :D
16:12 < demian> so most of time i prefer to keep me alive and waste time doign sth else until i could sleep serenely.
16:12  * mnemoc doesn't remember the last time
16:12 < morfoh> Baldzius: moin "gun boy" :)))
16:12 < Baldzius> :)
16:13  * mnemoc doesn't remember the last time he slept more than 5h
16:14 < demian> be honest.
16:16 < demian> when i was 20 yrs old i used to sleep 4 hours (average) per day.
16:16 < demian> now i sleep 6 hours or so.. geeting old maybe.
16:16 < mnemoc> if you look at my face you would know i lack sleeping
16:17 < demian> :-/
16:19 < demian> 550Mb of the iso downloaded.
16:21 < mnemoc> :(
16:21 < demian> fucking developers.. they start commiting and wasting bandwidth when i am downloading t2.. 
16:22 < mnemoc> stupid people working
16:23 < Stelz> fldev ownz
16:23 < Stelz> :>
16:23 < mnemoc> pida!
16:23 < Stelz> mnemoc: ?
16:23 < mnemoc> i use pida :)
16:23 < Stelz> ?
16:23 < Stelz> what's a pida?
16:24 < demian> they oblige me to restrict to apply some QoS filters..
16:25 < mnemoc> an IDE
16:25 < Stelz> mnemoc, hmm..
16:25 < Stelz> gimme a link
16:26 < mnemoc> it's packaged on t2
16:26 < mnemoc> http://pida.berlios.de/
16:26 < Stelz> arghhh
16:26 < Stelz> google ownz
16:26 < Stelz> PIDA is the Python Integrated Development Application. ... Pida is an IDE, but
16:26  * Stelz hates python.. :/
16:27 < mnemoc> i like pida anyway :)
16:27 < Stelz> :)
16:27 < mnemoc> gvim + project manager + file manager + terminal on a single ui
16:29 < demian> what da u mean with project manager? gantt stuff ?
16:29 < mnemoc> nah
16:29 < mnemoc> i use planner for that
16:30 < mnemoc> a project as a source dir
16:32 < demian> ok.
16:32 < demian> i do use gantt project ;-)
16:33 < morfoh> so ladies and gentleman ... I'll be offline till 28th. I think ... happy xmas and all best wishes ... cu then :D
16:33 < mnemoc> .oO( morfoh leaving us again )o
16:34 < demian> morfoh: thanks morfoh, mighty christmas!
16:34 < mnemoc> enjoy christmas christian :)
16:36 < morfoh> yeah ... thanks guys ...:D
16:41 < morfoh> so the "rat" is in his transportation box .... and I'm ready to "fly" away ... 
16:42 < morfoh> cu .... happy xmas again 
16:42 < morfoh> bye
16:42 < mnemoc> bye ,-)
16:42 < mnemoc> flying rat :p
16:42 < morfoh> :)
16:42 < morfoh> hehe
16:42 < Baldzius> u2 , bye :)
16:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: you saw ... that ooo build  :)
16:43 < demian> isn't it a bat? a rat flying.
16:43 < morfoh> demian: sth. like that :)
16:43 < karasz> moin morfoh 
16:43 < morfoh> karasz: moin .... 
16:43 < morfoh> + bye bye 
16:43 < mnemoc> hairy bat
16:43 < morfoh> karasz: happy xmas for you too :)
16:43 < karasz> xmas?
16:44 < karasz> it is only 22
16:44 < mnemoc> christmas
16:44 < morfoh> karasz: I'll be offline till 28.th
16:44 < mnemoc> he have long xmas vacations :)
16:44 < Stelz> :)
16:44 < mnemoc> loooooong vacations
16:44 < karasz> good for you morfoh 
16:44 < karasz> any warm place ;) ?
16:44 < morfoh> au revoir .. :)
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16:44 < Stelz> gr..
16:45 < demian> my xmas vacation starts since 24 to january 2.
16:45 < mnemoc> i have no xmas vacations
16:45 < karasz> if everything goe well my xmas will be spent compiling...
16:45 < mnemoc> mine coding in clipper :p
16:45 < karasz> brrrr
16:46 < demian> i do not, but i advanced some extra hours last weeks to have them/
16:46 < mnemoc> i don't have anything like 'extra' hours, all hours are just hours
16:47 < mnemoc> and 'project' don't care about how many of them i consume
16:47 < demian> well, here i should accomplish 30 hours at week, i could do some more and they will reduced week to week.
16:48 < demian> s/will/will get/
16:48 < mnemoc> at chile a week of work has 48h
16:48 < mnemoc> but not for me
16:48 < mnemoc> i get money per 'project'
16:48 < demian> here, 40 hours. but i am a special case.
16:50 < mnemoc> wtf? a teacher of my university published about universe accelerated _expantion_
16:50 < demian> i do more than develop, i do infrastructure stuff, operations manager, configuration manager, build manager, and support to others developers.. :/.. and i also study at uni, and have my own projects.
16:50 < mnemoc> i quit university some month ago :(
16:50 < demian> so 30 hours at week working here is ok.
16:50 < demian> mnemoc: left? r graduated ?
16:51 < mnemoc> abandon
16:51 < demian> why?
16:51 < mnemoc> just 2 semesters left but i can't pay it
16:51 < mnemoc> $$
16:51 < mnemoc> it's too f* expensive
16:51 < mnemoc> around 600 bucks per month
16:52 < demian> have family ?
16:52 < mnemoc> and i'm paying wife's and kindergarten for my two daughters
16:52 < mnemoc> yes
16:53 < mnemoc> i need my hours to produce $$ :)
16:53 < demian> i c. i do live alone (.. and sometimes women come..), the money spent in uni,house,feed,and that is recovered working.
16:54 < demian> but living alone is of course cheaper.
16:54 < MisterN> mnemoc: over here, we complain that studying shall cost 500EUR (euros) per semester :)
16:54 < mnemoc> :)
16:55 < mnemoc> where is 'here'?
16:55 < karasz> mnemoc, move to romania ;)
16:55 < karasz> university is free
16:55 < karasz> if you are a good student...
16:56 < mnemoc> you can't be a _good_ student if you work to keep a house and family
16:56 < karasz> you don't have to be that good
16:56 < karasz> just average
16:56 < karasz> anyway i was just jokin'
16:56 < demian> my uni costs me around $200, that is not the problem, but that i should traslate me and rent a house all the year, and have my own expenses. :s
17:00 < mnemoc> karasz: i was not ,-)
17:01 < karasz> oki, oki it was not the right subject to joke about
17:01 < karasz> sorry
17:01 < mnemoc> :)
17:01 < mnemoc> don't worry
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17:06 < MisterN> bbl
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17:06 < mnemoc> wb Stelz-alterego
17:06 < Stelz> :)
17:06 < Stelz> hi, mnemoc 
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17:06 < mnemoc> o.o
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17:07 < Stelz> flying stelz :D
17:07 < mnemoc> drunk Stelz ?
17:07 < Stelz> nope :)
17:17 < demian> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/12/22/1325258.shtml?tid=109&tid=123&tid=98
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17:56 < karasz> cu guys and owlita
17:56 < karasz> tomorrow will be a better day
17:56 < karasz> at least i hope so...
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17:56 < demian> cu later karasz 
17:57 < demian> why would it be a better day than today ?
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18:21 < CIA-20> aldas * r14108 /trunk/package/develop/commonc++/commonc++.desc: * updated commonc++ (1.3.21 -> 1.3.22)
18:35 < demian> 99% [===================================> ] 668,605,312   13.27K/s    ETA 03:55
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18:48 < mipe> http://koti.japo.fi/~pmika/makefiles.patch
18:48 < mipe> fixes kdemultimedia for x64
18:49 < mipe> but also has some other fixes that might not be needed for akode fix in kdemultimedia package
19:00 < demian> cvs checkout: Updating hdw-linux/misc/crossbuild
19:00 < demian> cvs checkout: Updating hdw-linux/misc/crossbuild/fake_utsname
19:00 < demian> ...
19:02 < demian> after one year away... let's see what happened.
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20:00 < misl> hi folks :)
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20:02 < madtux> hello.
20:10 < karasz> re hello...
20:11 < mnemoc> fdjo
20:11 < mnemoc> rehi*
20:11 < mnemoc> mipe: patch tested?
20:12 < mnemoc> mipe: do you really live there, in the middle of nowhere?
20:13 < mnemoc> == 13:11:39 =[9]=> Building java/eclipse [3.1.1 2.1-stable].
20:13 < mnemoc> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
20:13 < mnemoc> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 0.00% cache hits so far.
20:13 < mnemoc> -> JAVA_HOME set to kaffe
20:13 < mnemoc> == 12/22/05 14:20:19 =[9]=> Finished building package eclipse.
20:22 < karasz> why is that nowhere?
20:22 < karasz> that is called Finland mnemoc ;)
20:22 < misl> mnemoc: :) What got changed?
20:23 < karasz> hello minto
20:23 < misl> hi karasz :)
20:25 < karasz> mnemoc, what do you recomend as eyecandy for xfce?
20:25 < mnemoc> misl: last cvs + a patch from guillem from dom
20:26 < mnemoc> karasz: i use cleanlooks
20:26 < misl> ahh :)
20:26 < mnemoc> for dom
20:26 < mnemoc> misl: i can forward it to you if you like
20:26 < mnemoc> uhm... in fact i commited it
20:26 < mnemoc> it's on 2.1 branch, but .diff. svn mv it
20:27 < mnemoc> to .patch
20:28 < mnemoc> karasz: but it's all green... i can't see any city close to his mark
20:29 < karasz> :)
20:29 < karasz> you should get used to Finland ;)
20:31 < mnemoc> :)
20:31 < mnemoc> it's all green everywhere...
20:31 < mnemoc> misl: i wanted to try <mipe> http://koti.japo.fi/~pmika/makefiles.patch <mipe> fixes kdemultimedia for x64 but noisy is down :(
20:32 < misl> sorry mnemoc, it will be on tomorrow at about 7:30 (local time)
20:33 < mnemoc> ok :)
20:33 < misl> starting 26-12 it will be on for a few days ( till 30-12) :)
20:33 < mnemoc> :)
20:34 < misl> Unfortunately ( in regards to noisy ) my current project ends on 30-12. 
20:34 < misl> So I will be home again all the time.
20:34 < mnemoc> xmas at summer house?
20:34 < mnemoc> outch
20:34 < misl> My new project start in januari in Amsterdam.
20:34 < mnemoc> :(
20:35 < mnemoc> send noisy to summer house :p
20:35 < misl> 25 at home visiting mother in law and 26 in Summer house and visiting my parents :)
20:35 < misl> my parent live approx 1 hour drive from my summer house.
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20:46 < demian> sourceforge is still in postgresql?
20:47 < mnemoc> sourceforge? mysql afaik
20:51 < CIA-20> aldas * r14109 /trunk/package/religion/bibletime/bibletime.desc: * updated bibletime (1.5.2 -> 1.5.3)
20:52 < mnemoc> valentin: do you remember how to make `make` not remove 'interim' files?
20:53 < mnemoc> .PRECIOUS
20:58 < CIA-20> aldas * r14110 /trunk/package/network/bitlbee/bitlbee.desc: * updated bitlbee (0.92 -> 1.0)
20:58 < demian> confirmed. using pgsql.
20:59 < karasz> demian?
21:00 < karasz> you said the maguc word...
21:00 < demian> sourceforge use pgsql for its site..
21:01 < karasz> so?
21:01 < valentin> re
21:01 < karasz> i guess that is not new news...
21:01 < valentin> mnemoc: .PRECIOUS :)
21:03 < demian> karasz: i was wondering about the licence sf was using for its database.
21:03 < karasz> pgsql is BSD, mysql is complicated...
21:05 < demian> yeah, i am trying to determine if using mysql could be effective for a commercial app.
21:05 < karasz> and you see it as a licensing issue only?
21:06 < demian> nop.
21:07 < demian> i am investigating some case studies.
21:07 < karasz> mysql i don't know, pgsql i am using for years in commercial apps
21:08 < demian> ive never used pgsql.
21:09  * karasz is a pgsql zealot
21:09 < demian> it seems to be high performance, full featured, and nice integrity with several vendors.
21:09 < mnemoc> i think sf has commercial license of mysql
21:10 < karasz> in the end demian the answer is bond with what features do you need...
21:10 < mnemoc> they want something cheap
21:11 < mnemoc> you want something complete and robust
21:11 < karasz> pgsql is BSD so there is nothing cheaper i guess
21:11 < mnemoc> cheaper in resources
21:11 < demian> stored procs, rules, constraints, .net connectivity, java connectivity, clustering.
21:11 < mnemoc> mysql is a very cheap DBMS
21:12 < mnemoc> clustering is better on mysql, but slony-i doesn't do it bad
21:12 < rxr> llre
21:12 < mnemoc> llre?
21:12 < karasz> in pgsql you have stored procs, rules, constraints, supports java
21:12 < mnemoc> wb rxr anyway :D
21:12 < karasz> .net connectiviti is on the way
21:12 < rxr> mnemoc: I saw on 2.1 x86-64 is now a copy of the x86 boot code
21:12 < mnemoc> mysql is only useful for toy projects
21:12 < karasz> clustering is highly dificult
21:12 < mnemoc> rxr: not a copy, but close :p
21:12 < karasz> hi rxr 
21:13 < demian> ive used mysql before, did a paper about its clustering features sometime..
21:13 < rxr> copy
21:13 < mnemoc> karasz: slony-i?
21:13 < rxr> I would have source the x86 file ...
21:13 < karasz> slony is master slave
21:13 < mnemoc> rxr: i did the commit, and it was svn cp + diff
21:13 < rxr> copy and sed s/x86/86-644
21:13 < karasz> real clustering is multimaster
21:13 < mnemoc> karasz: yes, but there is a proxy project which does the trick
21:14 < karasz> that japaneese guy?
21:14 < demian> i think that mysql5.0 satisfy all my needs.
21:14 < karasz> pgcluster?
21:14 < mnemoc> no, pgcluster sucks
21:14 < mnemoc> minute
21:14 < rxr> mnemoc: why did you copy sss
21:14 < karasz> mnemoc, if you are thinkin' about pgcluster forget it
21:14 < rxr> just sourcing would have been so much nice, less bloat
21:15 < mnemoc> rxr: minto did :)
21:15 < rxr> ah - ok
21:15 < mnemoc> karasz: <mnemoc> no, pgcluster sucks
21:15 < rxr> well,  mind cleaning that up 
21:15 < rxr> well, when I commit a decopy ...
21:15 < karasz> mnemoc, fully ack
21:15 < demian> does postgresql data types and stuff could be compatible with sql server data types ?
21:16  * demian thinking in data migration too..
21:16 < karasz> demian, ???
21:16 < karasz> what sql server?
21:16 < karasz> that sql server?
21:16 < demian> mssql.
21:16 < mnemoc> ms i guess
21:16 < rxr> hm - the dual core builds a multilib desktop of trunk:HEAD in les than a day ....
21:16 < demian> ms sql server.
21:16 < rxr> 987 builds total, 837 completed fine, 150 with errors.
21:16 < rxr> well, ok
21:16 < mnemoc> demian: and you can make custom types if something is missing
21:17 < karasz> directly no
21:17 < mnemoc> karasz: http://pgpool.projects.postgresql.org
21:17 < karasz> see what mnemoc said
21:17 < rxr> but better than the first build and not too bad for 2nd build new architecture ...
21:17 < karasz> yeah i know that mnemoc 
21:17 < rxr> mnemoc: I have a x86-64 2.1 ready ...
21:17 < mnemoc> so pgpool is a fake master :)
21:17 < mnemoc> with kdemultimedia?
21:17 < demian> karasz: so u recommend me pgsql ? ;-)
21:18 < rxr> mnemoc: may II decopy the x86-64, regenl and install-test and release  ?
21:18 < demian> i am feeling atracted to it..
21:18 < karasz> demian, i don't know your project
21:18 < karasz> so i cann not recomend anything
21:18 < mnemoc> client -> pgpool --> reads to slony-slave, writes to slony-master .
21:18 < karasz> all that i say that for my purposes pgsql is great
21:18 < karasz> ymmw
21:18 < mnemoc> rxr: II decopy?
21:19 < mnemoc> pgsawl is great for anything but embedded
21:19 < CIA-20> aldas * r14111 /trunk/package/perl/perl-mp3-info/perl-mp3-info.desc: * updated perl-mp3-info (1.02 -> 1.13)
21:19 < rxr> onlyone
21:19 < rxr> I run a kernel on this subnotebook that runs 2x normal time
21:19 < CIA-20> aldas * r14112 /trunk/package/audio/gnupod/gnupod.desc: * updated gnupod (0.98 -> 0.98.3)
21:19 < mnemoc> rxr: if you can fix current bootdisk for better x86-64 support, do whatever you need on that target
21:19 < rxr> accident keyrepeats are expected ...
21:20 < rxr> well - it works I think
21:20 < rxr> but I do not like a copy with s/x86/x86-64/
21:21 < mnemoc> i asked and people report it worked, so i commited to release the ISOs
21:21 < mnemoc> if there is a non-hack solution, much better
21:21 < rxr> mnemoc: this is post 2.1.0 and 2.1.0 does not boot, right_
21:21 < rxr> ? even
21:21 < mnemoc> some people has booted it
21:22 < mnemoc> no idea what's the difference on their archs
21:22 < rxr> so that code was in 2.1 _
21:22 < rxr> ? even
21:22 < mnemoc> uncommited, but yes
21:22 < mnemoc> it was on noisy
21:23 < CIA-20> rene * r14113 /trunk/package/powerpc/mol/mol.desc: * removed powerpc64 mark from mol
21:23 < rxr> mnemoc: ic
21:23 < rxr> ok - I decopy it and test the resulting iso
21:23 < mnemoc> sure
21:23 < rxr> I'll also publish minimal x86 and x86-64 of trunk
21:23 < mnemoc> i have no hardware to test, just qemu. where it booted.
21:24 < mnemoc> did you see mipe's patch for kdemultimedia?
21:24 < rxr> nnnope
21:24 < rxr> list?
21:25 < mnemoc> <mipe> http://koti.japo.fi/~pmika/makefiles.patch
21:26 < LMJ> hello dude
21:26 < mnemoc> noisy is out-of-service so i couldn't test it
21:26 < mnemoc> hi serwou
21:26 < LMJ> the last stable mysql.desc seems to give a broken [D] link 
21:26 < LMJ> how are you mnemoc today ?
21:27  * misl is tired and will hit the sheets.
21:27 < mnemoc> LMJ: use our mirrors
21:27 < misl> sleep well all
21:27 < mnemoc> LMJ: quite good :)
21:27 < LMJ> where what how ?
21:27 < mnemoc> misl: good night and early happy xmas :)
21:28 < mnemoc> LMJ: when downloading, you should use a mirror and not direct download
21:28 < misl> happy xmas to you and all t2-ers too :)
21:28 < misl> okay even for non t2-ers too :)
21:28 < misl> bye all.
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21:29 < LMJ> i'm forcing it to re-find mirros
21:29 < rxr> mnemoc: the patch is usse
21:29 < rxr> huge
21:30 < mnemoc> it's /just/ the add of @MAINTAINER_MODE@ adais
21:30 < CIA-20> aldas * r14114 /trunk/package/network/whois/whois.desc: * updated whois (4.7.9 -> 4.7.11)
21:31 < mnemoc> afais
21:31 < rxr> mnemoc: I would rather one-line patch the broken line ...
21:31 < mnemoc> even better :)
21:31 < LMJ> got that for the moment, what do you think : http://pastebin.com/475569
21:32 < mnemoc> gsmp is missing files :(
21:32 < CIA-20> rene * r14115 /trunk/package/base/glibc/any-cc-ok.patch.cross: * fixed glibc to accept any old gcc for a crossbuild
21:32 < mnemoc> .oO( who maintains that mirror? )o
21:32 < mnemoc> rxr: eclipse is now building with kaffe:HEAD
21:33 < rxr> mnemoc: the file is on the mastter
21:33 < rxr> was it updated today ? might need some more hours to hit gsmp ...
21:34 < mnemoc> nope, 2.1 has not been updated
21:34 < mnemoc> and all updates come from trunk anyway
21:35 < mnemoc> uhm.... wtf? i have 4.1.12 here
21:35  * rxr too
21:35 < rxr> local modification on his side I guess
21:36 < mnemoc> LMJ: you show to be using 2.1, but that is not the mysql version 2.1 has
21:37 < LMJ> i had 4.1.10a
21:37 < CIA-20> rene * r14116 /trunk/target/install/ (build_initrd.sh init rootfs/sbin/init): 
21:37 < CIA-20> * further work on the new install target postprocessing, add readlink
21:37 < CIA-20>  to the initrd (now that we have it from embutils), fixed broadcast
21:37 < CIA-20>  address for the network interface (from the rocknet code) and start
21:37 < CIA-20>  udevd to adapt device node while repartitionizing (untested)
21:38 < LMJ> any ideas where i could grab it ?
21:39 < mnemoc> if you use the version currently on the tree, from our mirrors. if you use bleeding edge before we get the files. directly from upstream site
21:40 < LMJ> i had a fucking strange problem with mysql today on my webserver :-/
21:40 < LMJ> i can't restart mysql now, it was running since 3 months without any problem
21:41 < mnemoc> some lock file maybe
21:41 < mnemoc> or corrupted database
21:42 < LMJ> http://pastebin.com/475589
21:43 < mnemoc> your mysql is not running 
21:44 < LMJ> i just launch it
21:44 < mnemoc> it's not running
21:44 < LMJ> yes
21:44 < LMJ> that's the problem
21:45 < mnemoc> see it's logs
21:46 < LMJ> ok
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21:46 < LMJ> i have to go now, i will check them tomorrow
21:46 < LMJ> thanks for the help
21:46 < mnemoc> :)
21:46 < LMJ> have a good night guys
21:46 < mnemoc> gn8 LMJ 
21:54 < karasz> mnemoc, do you use db's regulary?
21:54 < mnemoc> psql
21:54 < karasz> as in u use psql regulary?
21:54 < mnemoc> but i have servers running mysql too
21:54 < mnemoc> sure, i develop over it
21:55 < mnemoc> and admin 3 servers with it
21:55 < karasz> and what is your fav?
21:55 < mnemoc> pg, no doubt
21:55 < karasz> why?
21:55 < karasz> don't tell me licenses...
21:55 < CIA-20> rene * r14117 /branches/2.1/target/bootdisk/x86-64/ (10 files): 
21:55 < CIA-20> * removed duplicate code injected as bootdisk/x86-64 by simply sourcing
21:55 < CIA-20>  the x86 code
21:56 < mnemoc> robust, fast and complete
21:56 < rxr> mnemoc: boots in qemu
21:56 < rxr> no x86 code touched
21:56 < rxr> I burn the CD and boot it now
21:56 < mnemoc> go go go
21:56  * karasz tries to remember when saw he the last corupt db on pgsql...
21:56 < rxr> trunk minimals mostly on gsmp also
21:57 < rxr> but I'll rebuild both with readlink and udevd start to get them really useful
21:57 < mnemoc> karasz: i have never got a corrupt pg
21:57 < rxr> and re-rsync them ...
21:57 < karasz> i had one iirc
21:57 < rxr> mnemoc: so two cool t2 releases shortly before x-mas?
21:57 < karasz> but it inwolved a drunken monkey...
21:57 < mnemoc> i'm missing a few small things for 2.1.1 
21:58 < mnemoc> ok... i'll do that now :p
21:58 < demian> bye
21:58 < mnemoc> bye demian 
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22:02 < mnemoc> rxr: engage fail here on stage-9, and on morfoh's on stage 5 and 9, due to incompatible 'e' API
22:02 < mnemoc> rxr: can you take a look?
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22:03 < rxr> in trunk ?
22:04 < mnemoc> 2.1
22:04 < rxr> 1hm
22:04 < mnemoc> it has always failed
22:04 < rxr> (on trunk a lot e* fails)
22:04 < rxr> ook - I look
22:04 < rxr> when boot stuff is all teested
22:04 < mnemoc> http://trac.t2-project.org/ref/log/5-engage.err.txt
22:04 < mnemoc> yes, boot is more important
22:04 < rxr> (and my subnotebook boots a linux without grub tinkery by default again)
22:05 < rxr> cu - booting
22:06 < karasz> cu
22:07 < sepp> on x86-trunk e17 only enscribe failed because they (e17) disabled the evas text api
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22:09 < MisterN> re
22:09 < mnemoc> wb MrN
22:09 < sepp> no, it was "esmart_textarea"
22:09 < mnemoc> e has troubles defining it's API :)
22:09 < sepp> well, they change it twice a week
22:10 < mnemoc> they? there is more than one person behind e17?
22:11 < sepp> half as large as the t2 frapper thing :)
22:11 < mnemoc> cool :)
22:13 < sepp> but it looks nice and in 2042 e17 will be ready :P
22:13 < mnemoc> :)
22:17 < MisterN> cu
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22:26 < mnemoc> http://www.google.com/apis/maps/
22:26 < CIA-20> aldas * r14118 /trunk/package/security/openhbci/openhbci.desc: * updated openhbci (0.9.17 -> 0.9.18)
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22:46 < CIA-20> aldas * r14119 /trunk/package/scientific/grace/grace.desc: * updated grace (5.1.18 -> 5.1.19)
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22:55 < rxr> re
22:55 < rxr> mnemoc: 2.1 works
22:55 < mnemoc> boot?
22:55 < rxr> btw. we need the mine gasgui fix for lib64 to have gasgui on x86-64 I think
22:55 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - all 3 CDs booted
22:55 < mnemoc> great!
22:55 < rxr> 2.1-x86-64 and minimal and minimal64 from trunk
22:55 < mnemoc> rxr: feel free to merge it
22:56 < rxr> I need a linux26 rebuild of my trunk images before release since the linuxx26 packages misses the initrd since cpio was missing
22:56 < rxr> sigh
22:56 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm
22:56 < rxr> could you
22:56 < mnemoc> ok
22:56 < mnemoc> i will
22:56 < rxr> I have some trunk commits and need to get my ipw2200 wlan up again
22:56 < rxr> to leave the living room some time today ...
22:57 < rxr> curently I'm wireed due to f*cked, old kernel driver that got halfly merged into 2.6.14
22:57 < rxr> :-(
22:57 < mnemoc> no problem flat-butt
22:57 < CIA-20> rene * r14120 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in: * added cpio to generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in for new-style initramfs
22:58 < rxr> flat-butt ?
22:58 < mnemoc> flat-ass
22:58 < mnemoc> whatever
22:58 < mnemoc> due to be sit the whole day without moving
22:59 < CIA-20> rene * r14121 /trunk/target/install/ (build_initrd.sh menu.lst): * removed Live texts from the new install target post-processing code
22:59 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - in fact I moved a lot today  ...
22:59 < rxr> got up early, acompanied susan to the airport, waiting at uni, back home
23:00 < mnemoc> :)
23:00 < rxr> packing,  by car to near hannover ...
23:00 < rxr> and so on
23:00 < rxr> but now I'm wired .....
23:00 < mnemoc> "near hannover" == "parent's home" ?
23:00 < rxr> yep
23:01 < mnemoc> until?
23:01 < rxr> until some time after christmas ...
23:01 < mnemoc> :p
23:01 < rxr> but they have dsl here - so I'm hanging around here mostly as usual ,-.)
23:01 < rxr> and my dual-core box is up at home ...
23:01 < rxr> ready for first time arch build fixup ...
23:01 < rxr> and and and
23:02 < mnemoc> :)
23:02 < mnemoc> fun on x-mas
23:02 < mnemoc> did i mention eclipse is building now with kaffe:HEAD ?
23:02 < rxr> and I want to dome some TODO stuff - hopefully at least - like real streams for embeddedSTL and an diet "ip" for the 1st_stage install
23:03 < rxr> oh - and of course factoring the arch bits of install/ in trunk into architecture/%/boot
23:03 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - that is nice
23:03 < rxr> what do I need? Emernge kaffe eclipse ?
23:03 < mnemoc> real streams for embeddedSTL, for fun or business?
23:03 < rxr> or some bigger stuff
23:03 < rxr> mnemoc: for a more rock solid (less segfaulting if a file is absent) hotplug++
23:03 < mnemoc> rxr: kaffe on 2.1 and trunk still 1.1.6, but i could update trunk to cvs
23:03 < rxr> but also to have it moe  in shape for commercial licensing
23:04 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, please if you have that minute
23:04 < rxr> you also do not testbuild - but testdownload would be welcomed
23:04 < rxr> a new qemu is out
23:04 < rxr> but it did nto built on powerpc64 ...
23:04 < rxr> if someone wants to test on x86 ...
23:04 < mnemoc> i testbuild on my 2.1 build server ,-)
23:04  * rxr only has x86-64 and powrpc* handy)
23:05 < mnemoc> qemu arch support is quite unstable
23:06 < rxr> qemu does not build with gcc-4 also
23:06 < rxr> I think that is not fixed in 0.8.0 or what was relased today
23:06 < rxr> but I have a mailing list patched qemu 0.7.2-ml-patches running on x86-64 t2/trunk:HEAD
23:06 < rxr> maybe we are better of keeping 0.7.2-ml-patches until a release version builds with gcc-4 .....
23:07 < mnemoc> ack
23:13 < CIA-20> rene * r14122 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/mkinitrd: 
23:13 < CIA-20> * check for cpio and gzip in mkinitrd, they might be missing and with
23:13 < CIA-20>  the redirection the shell will not abort when one of them is missing
23:13 < CIA-20>  during archiving
23:17 < rxr> mnemoc: how long does ecplipse build on your box ?
23:17 < rxr> nearly as long as ooo crap ?
23:18 < mnemoc> 1:10h
23:18 < mnemoc> vs 25m with sun's
23:18 < mnemoc> but good enough for me
23:19 < mnemoc> -if [ "$stagelevel" -gt 1 -a -f $root/usr/lib/libdialog.a ]
23:19 < mnemoc> -then
23:19 < mnemoc> +if pkginstalled dialog; then
23:19 < mnemoc> ^--- that's not safe
23:19 < mnemoc> stage 1 has mine but not dialog
23:19 < sepp> good night all
23:19 < mnemoc> if [ "$stagelevel" -gt 1 -a -f $root/var/adm/package/dialog ] ?
23:20 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp 
23:20 < karasz> gn sepp 
23:20 < mnemoc> or just if [ -f $root/var/adm/package/dialog ] ?
23:22 < mnemoc> pkginstalled checks for package list, and var/adm/package only on stage 9 afaik
23:35 < CIA-20> amery * r14123 /trunk/package/archiver/mine/mine.conf: * fixed mine to really check for installed dialog
23:38 < rxr> I find pkginstalled nicer ...
23:38 < rxr> and we could add dialog to stage 1
23:38 < rxr> e.g. to have gasgui on crossbuilds ..
23:38 < rxr> but anyway, good enough for now and important in stble
23:38 < rxr> +a
23:40  * rxr just grabbing the lastest -rc patch for linux26 and then off to my guest room ...
23:41 < mnemoc> how long is berlin-hannover?
23:42 < rxr> fastest train 1:30, car 3h
23:42 < rxr> well when you drive normal
23:42 < mnemoc> do you drive normal?
23:42 < rxr> when you have a porsche, ferrari or whatever 2h-- ;-)
23:42 < mnemoc> you have?
23:42 < mnemoc> :)
23:42 < rxr> I have no driving license - but my parents do not drive too fast ..
23:42 < Baldzius> :)))))
23:43 < rxr> and my parents have none of those ...
23:43 < mnemoc> no driving license?
23:43 < mnemoc> lost it?
23:43 < rxr> the fastest they have is the 3 litre VW Lupo
23:43 < rxr> mnemoc: never made one ...
23:43 < mnemoc> :)
23:43 < mnemoc> i have license but no car, so no much difference
23:44 < rxr> well - the VW 3litre Lupo can reach nearly 200 when you kick it ...
23:44 < rxr> but then it drinks more then 3l ...
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23:44 < mnemoc> wb xenos-ergo
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23:44 < mnemoc> uhm
23:45 < VX> blah
23:45 < VX> i hate my ISP..
23:45 < VX> hi, mnemoc 
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23:46 < rxr> this fun car my farther built himselfs (http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/buggy/gallery.html) only looks fast
23:46 < rxr> it has a VW beatle engine ...
23:46 < rxr> bearly reaches 140 ...
23:46 < mnemoc> your father built it?
23:47 < mnemoc> nice hacking :)
23:47 < rxr> and it is not made for snow and currenty under overhaul - though it might be faster after than since my farther got some more powerful tuned beattle engine for it ...
23:47 < rxr> yeah - after my mother crashed a vanilla beattle in the 1970s ...
23:47 < mnemoc> hehe
23:47 < mnemoc> she ok?
23:48 < rxr> yeah - of course ...
23:48 < rxr> was not too dramatic - just the beattle wasn't that drivable anymore AFAIK
23:48 < rxr> thwat was before the got my brother and me ...
23:48 < mnemoc> :)
23:50 < rxr> beetle even
23:50 < Baldzius> l0l :)
23:50 < rxr> so all thee spelling variations tried now ,-)
23:52  * rxr needs to take care that the enlish does not degenerate ...
23:53 < mnemoc> rxr: you must clean your spoken english for poor mnemoc
23:54 < rxr> what do you exactly mean?
23:54 < mnemoc> your accept :p
23:54 < mnemoc> acent
23:54 < mnemoc> aarg.... what ever
23:54 < mnemoc> phonetics
23:55 < rxr> spoken enlish?
23:55 < rxr> you want to call me?
23:56 < mnemoc> nope, i want to work in person with you :)
23:56 < rxr> ,-)
23:57 < rxr> well - I think my spoken english is mostly fine - it is just that I type too much technical stuff these days and thus forget the exact spelling of ths rare every day words  :-(
23:57 < rxr> btw, I most likely have to track a usb deadlock / corruption whatever in the kernel the next days for the archivista work related (that is only appearing) on the AMD Geode ...
23:58 < rxr> hope I get no headache diving thru those kernel code...
23:58 < rxr> oh
23:58 < rxr> did someone update xorg ?
23:59 < rxr> (or is my subnotebook svn just a bit outdated and RC4 is comming down via svn ...)
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