T2 IRC Log: 2005-12-16
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--- Log opened Fri Dec 16 00:00:12 2005
00:14 < CIA-9> rene * r13899 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_install.sh:
00:14 < CIA-9> * converted most parts of stone_mod_install to use old-style device
00:14 < CIA-9> naming for u/dev installations, scan any filesystem for availability
00:14 < CIA-9> (work in progress, only basically tested)
00:14 < rxr> 680 builds total, 243 completed fine, 0 with errors.
00:17 < rxr> Filename Type Size Used Priority
00:17 < rxr> /dev/hda1\040(deleted) partition 265032 93600 -1
00:17 < rxr> ^- doesn't look too normal ...
00:18 < rxr> swapoff -a ; swapon -a cured it though
00:25 < CIA-9> rene * r13900 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_install.sh: * further fixed stone_mod_installer
00:25 < rxr> oh - r14000 this weekend ,-)
00:26 < rxr> rock is @r6744
00:26 < _Ragnar__> =) kewl
00:28 < rxr> I could commit every X11R7-final package in a single chunk if I would be evil ,-)
00:28 < rxr> but I guess image creation changes will be enough
00:29 < rxr> _Ragnar__: btw, what I wonder all the time, do you use t2 in production or just for your personal needs?
00:29 < _Ragnar__> both
00:29 < _Ragnar__> =)
00:30 < _Ragnar__> company firewall runs t2/uclibc (but I might switch that back to glibc again) fileserver runs t2, my workplace desktop and my laptop;)
00:36 < rxr> nice to hear ,-)
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00:36 < rxr> why do yo consider switching back to uclibc ?
00:36 < jsaw> g'night all
00:37 < rxr> n8 jsaw
00:37 * rxr soon off as well
00:43 < rxr> (clifford) reminder to myself: "svn mv" openldap to base repository
00:43 < rxr> .oO
00:43 < rxr> maybe soon they mv x{free86,org} into base as well ,-)
01:00 < _Ragnar__> rxr: from uclibc ...it's just a hassle to fix stuff
01:03 < rxr> doesn't most stuff just built?
01:03 < rxr> didn't even ...
01:06 < rxr> n8 allk
01:06 < rxr> -k
01:12 < _Ragnar__> nini
01:12 < _Ragnar__> bin auch im bett
01:13 < _Ragnar__> gn8
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01:37 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
01:37 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
01:37 [Users #t2]
01:37 [@ChanServ ] [ CIA-9 ] [ kristian] [ mtr] [ rxr ] [ tschmidt_]
01:37 [ _Ragnar__] [ demian] [ LMJ ] [ ojh] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin ]
01:37 [ Baldzius ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ owl] [ sepp_] [ Xenos ]
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01:38 < mnemoc> rehi
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05:38 < CIA-9> amery * r13901 /trunk/package/graphic/asymptote/asymptote.desc: * updated asymptote (0.95 -> 0.97)
05:50 * Xenos is back (gone 07:06:05)
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09:20 < kristian> hmm, just found out, that eclipse is not a tool of choice when coding in c.
09:20 * kristian falls back to emacs again
09:20 * kristian wants usable offline crossreference
09:28 < rxr_> re
09:28 -!- You're now known as rxr
09:30 < kristian> re rxr
09:30 < kristian> rxr what is your development environment of choice?
09:38 < owl> moin
09:40 < rxr> depends what is handy, any not too insane ASCII editor is usually fine, for longer stuff xemacs, but it is gettin on my nerves for some time now and I have writing a really modern editor architecture on my TODO, somewhere, in the 4MB file that is ...
09:42 < kristian> rxr here the same. anjuta is just not developing. last release half a year ago, busy mailinglist but the cvs is nearly unusable since dependencies are strange.
09:42 < kristian> kdevelop ist kde. :(
09:42 < kristian> bl
09:44 < rxr> well - kdevelop is kde is a big ;-)
09:44 -!- geekitus__ [n=geekitus@d213-103-18-17.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #t2
09:45 < rxr> or are you one of those strange people that use s.th. like this borked gnome wanna be desktop environments
09:45 < CIA-9> rene * r13902 /trunk/package/x11/fox/fox.desc: * updated fox (1.4.22 -> 1.4.27)
09:46 < CIA-9> rene * r13903 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.14 -> 2.17)
09:46 < _Ragnar__> oh rene who made those geode things again?
09:47 < CIA-9> rene * r13904 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1)
09:47 < _Ragnar__> that you tested
09:47 < rxr> the ones we utilize dt-research.com
09:47 < rxr> http://www.dt-research.com/
09:49 < _Ragnar__> thanks ;) that looks neat
09:51 < _Ragnar__> what do they sell for?
09:56 < geekitus__> hi
09:57 < rxr> _Ragnar__: price? 3xx EUR I think
09:58 < _Ragnar__> ah ok
09:58 < _Ragnar__> they don't seem to have it in their shop
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10:22 < LMJ> good morning
10:24 < rxr> moin LMJ
10:25 < LMJ> how are you today ?
10:30 < rxr> fine, thanks - you too?
10:32 < LMJ> yep
10:32 < LMJ> html design time today :-/
10:32 < LMJ> but it's for money :-)
10:41 < valentin> moin
10:44 < valentin> i wonder if i should reply to this proffessor bowman and complain that font-rendering in asymptote is sooo slow...
10:44 < rxr> valentin: hehe - feel free to
10:44 < valentin> s/proffessor/professor
10:48 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/asymptote.html
10:48 < rxr> fixed
10:49 < LMJ> hello valentin
10:49 < rxr> mnemoc: CLIP 1.1.15
10:50 < valentin> hi LMJ
10:50 < LMJ> <-- SerWou here ;)
10:53 < LMJ> rxr : i would like to report a compilation problem with xpdf 3.01pl1 for 2.1 stable (I know it's not on stable mode yet) http://pastebin.com/466427
10:53 < LMJ> maybe i forgot to update dependancies .conf or so ?
10:55 < rxr> LMJ: you have patches in your xpdf dir that do not belong there ...
10:55 < rxr> also we split xpdf and t1lib in trunk
10:55 < rxr> thus you need to grab both folders, t1lib and xpdf and build both
10:55 < rxr> rm -rf xpdf and grabbing the trunk directories should just build
10:56 < LMJ> let me try again
10:58 < valentin> yuck - explosion in a russian nuclear reactor ?!!??!
10:58 < LMJ> no, just near one
10:59 < LMJ> at least, what they said
10:59 < valentin> well, at least not in the reactor itself
10:59 < valentin> so no chernobyl II
10:59 < LMJ> no
10:59 < LMJ> no yet
11:00 < LMJ> we are missing of extra radiations since a couple of years, isn't it ? :-/
11:01 < rxr> valentin: what the hell ?
11:01 < valentin> LMJ: well, i remember what they told in 1986. "Just a normal fire outside the reactor, no radiation"
11:02 < LMJ> look the good side, soon, Opensource coders will have 3 arms to code faster
11:02 < rxr> Innenminister Wolfgang Sch?uble will Informationen nutzen, die durch Folter erpresst worden sind. Nur selber foltern sollten deutsche Sicherheitsbeh?rden auf keinen Fall. mehr...
11:02 < rxr> ? CNN: Topterrorist Sarkawi festgenommen - und freigelassen
11:02 < rxr> ? Anti-Folter-Gesetz: Bush gibt Widerstand auf
11:02 < rxr> ? Wahl im Irak: Erste Ergebnisse in zwei Wochen
11:02 < rxr> ? Al-Qaida: Anschlag in Stockholm?
11:02 < rxr> oops
11:02 < rxr> damned
11:02 < LMJ> lol
11:03 < valentin> cnn.com does not have the news either, but tagesschau has
11:03 < valentin> i try to search for an english article
11:05 < rxr> we could fly people into the US for death penalty, just ourself we should not kill people or what?
11:06 < rxr> damend C{D,S}U blockheads ...
11:06 < rxr> i would vote for to test this on some of those C{D,S}U first - the world would be a better place after all
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11:08 < valentin> "Betroffen sei eine Anlage zum Einschmelzen radioaktiv verstrahlter Metalle aus dem Leningradski-Atomkraftwerk" <- what the hell do they do with their nuclear waste ? melt it and produce tin cans ?
11:09 < rxr> yes, so they can throw compressed waste into the ocean ...
11:11 < nzg> moin
11:12 < nzg> valentin: the ecapsulate them in glass
11:12 < nzg> (at least i hope so)
11:23 < kristian> rxr actually i am. ;) - but ist sucks also
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12:00 < valentin> hm ... should i stay or should i go now ?
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12:02 < Baldzius> morning
12:33 < rxr> moin Baldzius
12:34 < Baldzius> hi rxr
12:42 < karasz> moin all
12:44 < valentin> re
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13:19 < CIA-9> rene * r13905 /trunk/scripts/config.in: * added an option to choose the desired image output format
13:20 < CIA-9> rene * r13906 /trunk/target/bootdisk/ (11 files):
13:20 < CIA-9> * removed obsolete stuff and refactored bootdisk target in order
13:20 < CIA-9> to migrate to generic image creation
13:25 < CIA-9> rene * r13907 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
13:25 < CIA-9> * renamed target/bootdisk to target/install and changed the default for
13:25 < CIA-9> the output image option
13:27 < rxr> 14572 root 18 0 466m 326m 276 D 0.3 75.6 3:52.26 cc1plus
13:28 < rxr> the poor subnotebook's memory is quite saturated, swapping a lot :-(
13:28 < rxr> - Target Distribution
13:28 < rxr> (desktop) Desktop System
13:28 < rxr> (install) Install CD / disks
13:30 < rxr> altarnative choice so far: (livecd) Live CD
13:30 < CIA-9> rene * r13908 /trunk/target/livecd/preconfig.in:
13:30 < CIA-9> * changed the livecd to register itself as image output rather than a
13:30 < CIA-9> target
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13:58 < CIA-9> rene * r13909 /trunk/target/livecd/ (build.sh build_image.sh build_initrd.sh build_stage1.sh):
13:58 < CIA-9> * ported livecd to new target independant image creation
13:58 < CIA-9> * removed long obsolute, rock inherited livecd/build_stage1.sh
13:59 < rxr> Ineed more ram for my subnotebook ,-)
13:59 < rxr> 512 - unified graphic memory are too less for exessive t2 builds on that 64bit number cruncher ...
13:59 < rxr> constantly swapping on --enable-final'ized kde packages ...
13:59 < rxr> Mem: 442056 437248 4808 0 1912 20668
13:59 < rxr> -/+ buffers/cache: 414668 27388
13:59 < rxr> Swap: 498004 328392 169612
14:02 < CIA-9> rene * r13910 /trunk/target/install/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
14:02 < CIA-9> * removed install/download.txt and moved the shutdown helper into a
14:02 < CIA-9> new-style rootfs overlay
14:21 < CIA-9> rene * r13911 /trunk/target/livecd/ (build.sh init):
14:21 < CIA-9> * added ide-generic to the forced modules of the livecd init so that
14:21 < CIA-9> at least old PIO IDE fallback works if no driver for the chipset
14:21 < CIA-9> is available
14:21 < CIA-9> * removed pkglook from livecd/build.sh, not needed as image backend
14:21 < CIA-9> anymore
14:37 * kristian hs to sign his non disclosure and invention / patent assignment agreement until monday. - what the fuck!
14:39 < kristian> am I supposed to change some points there? - frankly it says that every thing that comes into my mind is property of the company.
14:40 < rxr> kristian: have fun
14:41 < kristian> yeah... ;(
14:42 < rxr> how did you came to that company?
14:42 < rxr> btw. you can not disclose the name?
14:43 < kristian> empower technologie - I have not subscribed jet. ;-)
14:45 < kristian> when i came to shanghai i was searching the local job offers of it companies. I wrote like 30 applications and send my cv to most of them.
14:45 < rxr> are you in shanghai right now ?
14:45 < kristian> yes
14:46 < rxr> aha
14:46 < kristian> actually in nan fang city at the lian hua lu. ;-)
14:48 * rxr hopeing kristian is pushing t2 over there ...
14:48 < rxr> though I fear you are too much a debian instable user or so ...
14:48 < kristian> we are working at omap 5910 devices and have to use linux-2.6.12.2-omap1 as the headquarter wants it... - really strange - as my job is mostly to backport the patches. (i kind of picked this way since i did not want do port all the strange 2.4 drivers to 2.6)
14:49 < kristian> rxr as soon as i've found a sutable development environment i will ask them to uninstall my chinesse windows
14:49 < rxr> urghs
14:51 < kristian> we have a really nice win32 ide which has kross reference and i dont want to miss that navigating through the kernel
14:52 < rxr> you tell me you a) really click thru windows and b) edit linux kernel source under this DOS ?
14:52 < rxr> the poor kernel
14:52 < kristian> you do stange things if you have to.
14:52 < kristian> i found virtual desktops for win32
14:52 < kristian> so i dont need no mouse
14:53 < kristian> and putty in fullscreen is antialiased if you pick the right font
14:54 < kristian> but, I cant read what I am writing here so i'll stop it
14:54 < rxr> ?
14:54 < rxr> kristian: have you finished your diplom ?
14:55 < kristian> no i still need one semester and than the diploma thesis
14:56 < kristian> rxr if this company starts changing, when i ask them to. maybe I can write the thesis in canada at the headquarter - or lead a tem here in shanghai for the diploma theme
14:57 < kristian> maybe, just an idea
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14:59 < madtux> hi
14:59 < rxr> moin miguel!
15:00 < kristian> hi madtux
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15:00 [@ChanServ ] [ demian ] [ LMJ ] [ nzg ] [ sparc-kly]
15:00 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ madtux] [ owl ] [ valentin ]
15:00 [ Baldzius ] [ karasz ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ VX ]
15:00 [ CIA-9 ] [ kristian] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp]
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15:01 < madtux> hello :)
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15:04 < LMJ> Hello madtux
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15:19 < rxr> moin mnemoc
15:20 < valentin> who is root at alicedsl ?
15:20 < valentin> is that you rxr ?
15:21 < rxr> psst
15:22 < jsaw> because P2P software (...) constitutes as substantial security risk its use and installation within the institute is forbidden (...)
15:22 < jsaw> .oO(?)
15:22 < rxr> ?
15:22 < rxr> hi jsaw
15:22 < jsaw> hi rxr
15:22 < LMJ> aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
15:22 < valentin> jsaw: legal security risk ;)
15:23 < LMJ> WTF samba is installed with LDAP
15:23 < jsaw> valentin,rxr: that's so stupid. why not recommend to de-install Windows... gah
15:24 < valentin> rxr: i have a patent idea: a keyboard with numberblock, direction and function keys on the left side of the character block
15:24 < valentin> so one can place the mouse to the right
15:24 < mnemoc> moin!
15:25 < rxr> 15:19 < rxr> moin mnemoc
15:25 < valentin> moin mnemoc
15:25 < mnemoc> moin rxr,valentin, jsaw, serwou
15:25 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
15:25 < LMJ> hello mnemoc and jsaw
15:25 < jsaw> hi LMJ
15:25 < mnemoc> LMJ: samba has ldap support _if_ openldap was there on build time
15:26 < jsaw> and I'm using it ;)
15:26 < LMJ> why it download openldap in that case ?
15:26 < mnemoc> LMJ: Emerge use all the deps found during reference build
15:27 < LMJ> so -nodeps ?
15:27 < mnemoc> LMJ: that's why i'm against it :)
15:27 < mnemoc> -deps=none
15:27 < LMJ> yes
15:27 < LMJ> i forget the good command
15:27 < LMJ> that's impossible
15:27 < mnemoc> what?
15:27 < LMJ> you're right mnemoc ;)
15:28 < LMJ> gonna mine -rf samba
15:28 < CIA-9> aldas * r13912 /trunk/package/network/ipsec-tools/compile-fix.patch: * removed ipsec-tools/compile-fix.patch <- obsolete
15:30 < LMJ> maybe an option in ./scripts/Config for samba, to valid or not important deps like ldap or not
15:31 < mnemoc> LMJ: not possible
15:31 < LMJ> ok
15:32 < mnemoc> LMJ: restricting them is target responsability, if your target provides openldap. it will be used
15:32 < LMJ> ha yes
15:32 < LMJ> mine -rf openldap too in my case without re-emerge it
15:32 < LMJ> before**
15:32 < mnemoc> you could pkgsel '- openldap' on the config you are using to Emerge to remove it
15:33 < mnemoc> in that case openldap wont be on config/${config:-default/packages, so wont be used
15:33 < mnemoc> because it doesn't exist
15:33 < LMJ> i could do that if i was doing a target t2 i guess
15:33 < mnemoc> s/doesn't/won't/
15:33 < mnemoc> or config's pkgsel
15:34 < mnemoc> but if you don't adjust your build, you will get a generic
15:35 < LMJ> - openldap put in pkgsel will never compile openldap when it's in the dependencies list ?
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15:37 < mnemoc> - openldap will remove openldap from the universe
15:38 < mnemoc> O openldap will just disable it, but Emerge-Pkg will see it
15:38 < rxr> though we'll adapt Emerge heursitic to be a bit more inteligent soon
15:38 < CIA-9> aldas * r13913 /trunk/package/database/mysql/mysql.desc: * updated mysql (4.1.15 -> 4.1.16)
15:39 < rxr> and trunk will sooner than later get marks what are optional deps and such - so Emerge-Pkg will have fine grained knowledge and expose control what to build
15:39 < mnemoc> rxr: the only we can do is don't use O dependencies for X packages
15:39 < mnemoc> (X or installed)
15:39 < mnemoc> rxr: it's target's job to remove unwanted packages from the list
15:40 < LMJ> good idea rxr
15:41 < LMJ> i was thinking the same thing, there are optionnals and essentials deps
15:41 < mnemoc> LMJ: that's another issue
15:41 < mnemoc> LMJ: runtime/buildtime deps, mandatory/optional deps
15:41 < LMJ> maybe you can ask question with Yes/No during the emerge process
15:42 < LMJ> for samba you speak mnemoc ?
15:42 < mnemoc> rxr: what i want, and that fits your installcd/bootcd work, is to change [XO] with [XBO] X: built and packaged/installed, B: just built, O: ignored.
15:43 < mnemoc> LMJ: in general, because we currently only have one kind of deps
15:43 < LMJ> i see
15:43 < LMJ> i'm scared, this discution is out of my knowledge range :-D
15:44 < mnemoc> i think we could do a deps reporting system, and then detect what is 'always' there, and what is not there sometimes. and then 'flag' deps
15:45 < LMJ> since you are all here, gonna show you something who happned to me with the lastest xpdf
15:46 < mnemoc> 3.01pl1?
15:46 < demian> hi
15:46 < mnemoc> hi demian
15:46 < LMJ> http://pastebin.com/466616
15:46 < LMJ> yes mnemoc
15:46 < LMJ> trying to emerge it on my 2.1 stable
15:47 < mnemoc> from trunk, which has a different deps set
15:47 < mnemoc> due to modular X
15:47 < mnemoc> use xpdf from 2.1 on 2.1
15:47 < LMJ> so, i should wait
15:47 < mnemoc> and from trunk on 2.2
15:48 < mnemoc> xpdf 3.01pl1 _is_ on 2.1
15:48 < LMJ> ho
15:48 < LMJ> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/
15:48 < LMJ> exact
15:49 < mnemoc> use _svn_!
15:49 < LMJ> to download the whole thing ?
15:49 < mnemoc> to have the working copy in sync
15:49 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1/package/graphic/xpdf/xpdf.desc
15:50 < LMJ> oups
15:50 < LMJ> i did a mistake
15:50 < LMJ> i paste the wrong link
15:50 < mnemoc> i noticed
15:53 < LMJ> i'm curious about apache 2.2
15:54 < LMJ> have you planned to update the .desc or there are some problems ?
15:54 < mnemoc> after T2 2.2 branch i guess
15:54 < LMJ> ok
15:54 < mnemoc> rxr: do you want apache 2.2 on t2 2.2?
15:55 < CIA-9> rene * r13914 /trunk/target/install/ (7 files):
15:55 < CIA-9> * renamed install/initrc* to init* (as in the livecd and saner)
15:55 < CIA-9> * mostly converted linuxrc.c to portable shell code (not complete
15:55 < CIA-9> set and mostly untested)
15:55 < CIA-9> * started to inject convert the install build and init scripts to
15:55 < rxr> mnemoc: noe yet
15:55 < CIA-9> work with u/dev and the latest trunk layout by injecting
15:55 < CIA-9> livecd code pieces
15:55 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not know yet if subversion works with the new apache#
15:55 < rxr> if it is suport to work "more or less" we could update - but I have not spotted a apache 2.2 mail on the subversion list
15:56 < rxr> maybe just wait some more week++
15:56 < mnemoc> ack
15:56 < rxr> mnemoc: I think you'll love the next gen install code ...
15:56 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess I can remove uboot then ?
15:57 < rxr> not yet fully shell code but mostly ported some crap removed:
15:57 < rxr> linuxrc.c | 781 +++++++++++++++++++-------------------------------------------
15:57 < rxr> ^- shell vs. C code compression ratio ,-)
15:57 < mnemoc> rxr: sure, drop it
15:57 < LMJ> you planned a deadline for 2.2 ?
15:58 < mnemoc> beta for xmas
15:58 < CIA-9> rene * r13915 /trunk/target/uboot/: * removed uboot work-in-progress, since obsoleted by the install rewrite
15:58 < LMJ> who is Santa ? rxr or mnemoc .. ?
15:58 < mnemoc> rxr
15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: is the 2.1 santa ,-)
15:58 < LMJ> hehe
15:58 < mnemoc> :)
15:58 < mnemoc> 2.1.1 will be the gift for the poor guys
15:58 < rxr> 680 builds total, 480 completed fine, 2 with errors.
15:59 < mnemoc> rxr: similar results than mine?
15:59 < rxr> yep
15:59 < LMJ> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=none samba <---- solved my problems after HOURS of troubles with samba setup :-@
15:59 < CIA-9> rene * r13916 /branches/2.1/package/develop/librep/librep.conf: * fixed librep for some architectures such as x86-64 by using system libtool
16:02 < CIA-9> amery * r13917 /trunk/package/develop/clip/clip.desc: * updated clip (1.1.14-204 -> 1.1.15-1)
16:04 < LMJ> how you guys keep update of all packages ? did you suscribe to ALL mailing-list project you are maintaining ?
16:05 < rxr> LMJ: in the past we run a checker over our files
16:05 < rxr> LMJ: sine months we do this automatically on a server and have a t2-updates mailing list that get's the output ...
16:06 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/contact.html
16:06 < mnemoc> LMJ: but a good maintainer is suscripted to most ML of his packages
16:06 < rxr> mnemoc: what would be 800 for me ?
16:06 < mnemoc> LMJ: because not everything is 'updates'
16:06 < mnemoc> rxr: the important ones :)
16:06 < mnemoc> rxr: about 60 for me :\
16:06 < LMJ> haha
16:07 < rxr> LMJ: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/1578
16:07 < rxr> ^- santa clause mail ,-)
16:07 < LMJ> HO HO HO
16:07 < LMJ> ^--- Santa laugh
16:07 < rxr> LMJ: due to the nice data layout of T2 .desc files updates are mostly automated / tiny cut'n paste work ...
16:08 < LMJ> ok rxr
16:08 < LMJ> lot of data to maintain
16:09 < LMJ> so, each time you add a package, you have to follow updates and do them, check if it compile, etc...
16:09 < rxr> must be a hole my cup - coffee disappearing soo quickly ...
16:09 < LMJ> lol
16:10 < LMJ> that's an empiric work
16:10 < LMJ> but i think it's the only way
16:12 < CIA-9> rene * r13918 /trunk/target/generic/build.sh:
16:12 < CIA-9> * added evaluation of the output image backend selected to the
16:12 < CIA-9> generic/build.sh
16:14 < rxr> mnemoc: when would you tag 2.1.1? x-mas present ?
16:16 < mnemoc> tag? right after you make desktop build flawless on x86-64 :)
16:16 < mnemoc> announcement can be x-mas present :)
16:17 < rxr> mnemoc: is this mono on stable and x86-64 known:
16:17 < rxr> checking for GC_malloc in -lgc... no
16:17 < rxr> configure: error: "GC requested but libgc not found! Install libgc or run configure with --with-gc=none."
16:17 < rxr> Due to previous errors, no 5-mono.log file!
16:18 < mnemoc> read the config.log
16:18 < mnemoc> a symbol is missing
16:18 < mnemoc> yuck yuck
16:19 < CIA-9> rene * r13919 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/dvbd/64bit.patch: * fixed dvbd for 64bit platforms
16:20 < rxr> mnemoc: undefined references to pthread_* ...
16:20 < mnemoc> :(
16:20 < mnemoc> .oO( i was sure i had fixed dvdb )o
16:21 < mnemoc> .oO( commited only to trunk i guess )o
16:22 * rxr slaps mnemoc ....
16:22 < mnemoc> i should have asked you for review :)
16:22 < LMJ> christmas slap
16:22 < mnemoc> but you don't review awaylog :)
16:23 < rxr> mnemoc: don't name patches x86-64 if they are generic 64bit patches ,-)
16:23 < mnemoc> :)
16:23 < mnemoc> ok
16:23 < rxr> well - ok - now we have divergating patches on trunk and 2.1 for dvbd - worser stuff can happen
16:23 < rxr> I sugegst leaving it as it is ...
16:23 < rxr> on x64-64 on trunk libgc.so misses pthread dependency ...
16:24 < mnemoc> commit to trunk, and merge to 2.1. that's the idea
16:24 < rxr> of course
16:25 < rxr> I could merge the better named and slightly different patch form 2.1 to trunk now ...
16:26 < mnemoc> sure
16:26 < mnemoc> i wasn't happy with my patch
16:26 < mnemoc> that's why i asked for review and i didn't merge to stable
16:26 < rxr> mine is not much perfecter ..
16:27 < rxr> better would be to add another overloading to the toString thing for 64bit ...
16:27 < rxr> but I do not care about loosing precision / clamping the values in the places the cast is needed ...
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16:34 < CIA-9> rene * r13920 /trunk/target/install/ (build.sh init init2 rootfs/init):
16:34 < CIA-9> * more moved the init2 into the install/rootfs overlay, further work
16:34 < CIA-9> on the 1st stage init and other polishing on the way
16:36 < rxr> mnemoc: would you mind when I make the install handling even easier?
16:36 < rxr> use the live-cd cd detection and continue loading stage2 from cd if found?
16:37 < rxr> and only offer the historic 1st stage shell if no cd can be found to allow manual interaction at that early stage?
16:37 < rxr> that would be way more user friendly for the average user, no?
16:39 < CIA-9> aldas * r13921 /trunk/package/kde/k3b/k3b.desc: * updated k3b (0.12.7 -> 0.12.10)
16:39 < CIA-9> aldas * r13922 /trunk/package/kde/k3b-i18n/k3b-i18n.desc: * updated k3b-i18n (0.12.7 -> 0.12.10)
16:47 < CIA-9> rene * r13923 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvbd/ (64bit.patch x86_64.patch):
16:47 < CIA-9> * reverted r13760, dvbd for 64bit platform fix and merged r13919 from
16:47 < CIA-9> branches/2.1 instead
16:49 < CIA-9> rene * r13924 /trunk/package/develop/boehm-gc/boehm-gc.conf:
16:49 < CIA-9> * fixed boehm-gc to correctly link libgc.so against libpthread
16:49 < CIA-9> on lib64 platforms by using system libtool
16:53 < CIA-9> rene * r13925 /branches/2.1/package/develop/boehm-gc/boehm-gc.conf:
16:53 < CIA-9> * merged r13924 from trunk: fixed boehm-gc to correctly link libgc.so
16:53 < CIA-9> against libpthread on lib64 platforms by using system libtool
16:54 < rxr> mnemoc: fixes mono on x86-64
16:54 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.1-stable-x86-64-athlon64-desktop:
16:54 < rxr> 680 builds total, 505 completed fine, 0 with errors.
16:58 < CIA-9> rene * r13926 /trunk/target/install/init: * removed C'nism and syntax errors in install/init, starts come up again
17:26 < rxr> 1http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-powerppl/index.html
17:34 < karasz> rxr?
17:34 < rxr> karasz: yep
17:35 < karasz> `rxr 1http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-powerppl/index.html`
17:35 < karasz> ^^ what about it?
17:35 < rxr> remove the 1
17:35 < karasz> done that
17:35 < karasz> what about it?
17:35 < rxr> interesting powerpc overview posted on #ppc64
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17:56 < MisterN> hi
17:57 < karasz> hello MisterN
18:32 * mnemoc hate his work
18:32 * mnemoc hate his work
18:32 * mnemoc hate his work
18:32 < mnemoc> *food*
18:37 < CIA-9> amery * r13927 /trunk/package/mail/mess822/mess822.conf: * fixed mess822 to do install it's files
18:38 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
18:52 < karasz> take it easy mnemoc
18:53 < CIA-9> rene * r13928 /trunk/target/install/init: * further fixup of the new install/init based on testing
18:55 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.1-stable-x86-64-athlon64-desktop:
18:55 < rxr> 680 builds total, 512 completed fine, 0 with errors.
18:56 < madtux> mnemoc, so come work here.
18:57 < rxr> The year in Power Architecture technology: The best of 2005
18:57 < rxr> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-yearend05/?ca=dgr-lnxw07PowerYear05
19:10 < CIA-9> rene * r13929 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-nsc/xf86-video-nsc.desc:
19:10 < CIA-9> * only build xf86-video-nsc on x86, since it is only embedded in x86
19:10 < CIA-9> Geode CPUs
19:11 < CIA-9> rene * r13930 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-nsc/xf86-video-nsc.desc: * fixed xf86-video-nsc R tag
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19:17 < mnemoc> CIA-9: ?
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19:18 < rxr> mnemoc: yes ?
19:19 * demian was disturbed
19:20 < CIA-9> rene * r13931 /trunk/scripts/config-functions.in: * fixed pkgsel_parse to allow [range] expressions
19:20 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you hate right now @work ?
19:21 < CIA-9> amery * r13932 /trunk/package/mail/mdmh/ (. errno.patch head_-n.patch mdmh.conf mdmh.desc): * added mdmh (0.7) - a command-line email interface for Maildir folders
19:22 < mnemoc> louses?
19:23 < rxr> louses?
19:23 < rxr> people or animals ?
19:25 < rxr> hm - wonders if thes dt-research page ever worked in lang=en
19:25 < rxr>
19:25 < rxr>
19:25 < rxr>
19:28 < _Ragnar__> *hrhr* yea I saw that too
19:33 < rxr> _Ragnar__: there is a .uk company selling the same thing with a slightly better looking front IMHO at least
19:33 < rxr> I fear I do not have the URL handy :-((
19:34 < rxr> but I could find out e.g. 'till monday
19:37 < demian> see u next week
19:37 < demian> bye
19:37 < rxr> cu demian
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20:00 < CIA-9> aldas * r13933 /trunk/package/network/lat/lat.desc: * updated lat (0.7.4 -> 0.8)
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20:13 < CIA-9> rene * r13934 /trunk/package/network/fget/ (. errno.patch fget.cache fget.conf fget.desc): * added fget (0.4.1) - A minimal http/ftp download tool for boot disks
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21:26 < CIA-9> rene * r13935 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/ (00-minimal.in benchmark.in):
21:26 < CIA-9> * added our initrd helpers to the 00-minimal template (pdksh, embutils and friends)
21:26 < CIA-9> * added udev to the 00-minimal template
21:26 < CIA-9> * removed devfsd frlom the benchmark template
21:27 < CIA-9> rene * r13936 /trunk/target/install/ (build_initrd.sh init): * further install/ fixes, starts to come up
21:35 < rxr> mnemoc: any comment about my 1st stage question some hours ago ?
21:41 < CIA-9> aldas * r13937 /trunk/package/multimedia/kino/kino.desc: * updated kino (0.7.6 -> 0.8.0)
21:42 < rxr> Baldzius: btw. thanks for your update work ,-)
21:43 < Baldzius> :)
21:43 < CIA-9> rene * r13938 /trunk/target/install/init: * removed a left over C comment from the new install/init and improved the text
21:44 < CIA-9> msluis * r13939 /trunk/package/java/maven/maven.desc: * updated maven (2.0 -> 2.0.1)
21:50 < CIA-9> aldas * r13940 /trunk/package/multimedia/klear/ (klear.conf klear.desc):
21:50 < CIA-9> * updated klear (0.5.2 -> 0.5.3)
21:50 < CIA-9> * modified klear.conf to use scons
22:02 < CIA-9> rene * r13941 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/50-udev.rules:
22:02 < CIA-9> * fixed latest u/dev config to use hotplug++ as firmware helper and
22:02 < CIA-9> create cdorm%n symlinks
22:03 < Baldzius> is new udev ready for production?
22:04 < rxr> well - sort off
22:04 < rxr> the config is copied from the redhat or gentoo example
22:04 < rxr> because the rewrite of udev made our t2 config useless ..
22:04 < rxr> but the config is extremely crappy
22:05 < rxr> I need some dedicated hours to clean it up ...
22:05 < rxr> but it works on my turion sub-notebook so far and with this fixes most probably for the installer I'm rigth now coding
22:07 < Baldzius> in that case i'll try new udev as i lost my sound nodes somehow
22:10 < rxr> Baldzius: hm
22:11 < rxr> Baldzius: that reminds me you need to update your system init and ramdisk for that
22:11 < rxr> maybe better wait until we have a 2.2 installable CD and install that if you do not want to tinker in that area
22:14 < Baldzius> thanks, i'll try that either
22:14 < CIA-9> aldas * r13942 /trunk/package/network/dnrd/dnrd.desc: * updated dnrd (2.19 -> 2.20.1)
22:21 < rxr> mnemoc: are you still around ?
22:26 < CIA-9> aldas * r13943 /trunk/package/mail/courier-authlib/courier-authlib.desc: * updated courier-authlib (0.57 -> 0.58)
22:30 < CIA-9> rene * r13944 /trunk/target/install/ (build_initrd.sh menu.lst): * added preleminary menu.lst and a TODO: comment to build_initrd.sh
22:31 < CIA-9> rene * r13945 /trunk/target/install/build_stage1.sh: * removed obsolete install/build_stage1.sh
22:33 < CIA-9> aldas * r13946 /trunk/package/audio/imms/imms.desc: * updated imms (2.1.1 -> 3.0.1)
22:40 < CIA-9> aldas * r13947 /trunk/package/network/mdyndns/mdyndns.desc: * updated mdyndns (0.2 -> 0.2.1)
22:56 < CIA-9> rene * r13948 /trunk/target/install/ (build.sh build_stage2.sh): * some more work-in-progress for the new install/
22:59 * rxr away now - cu then
22:59 < rxr> uptime of just my workstation: 31 days, 18:56
22:59 < rxr> a good time to give it a rest ...
22:59 < rxr> n8 all
23:03 < mnemoc> cu rxr
23:13 < karasz> cu rxr
23:35 * VX is away: sleep..
23:37 < mnemoc> cu vixen
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00:14 < CIA-9> rene * r13899 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_install.sh:
00:14 < CIA-9> * converted most parts of stone_mod_install to use old-style device
00:14 < CIA-9> naming for u/dev installations, scan any filesystem for availability
00:14 < CIA-9> (work in progress, only basically tested)
00:14 < rxr> 680 builds total, 243 completed fine, 0 with errors.
00:17 < rxr> Filename Type Size Used Priority
00:17 < rxr> /dev/hda1\040(deleted) partition 265032 93600 -1
00:17 < rxr> ^- doesn't look too normal ...
00:18 < rxr> swapoff -a ; swapon -a cured it though
00:25 < CIA-9> rene * r13900 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_install.sh: * further fixed stone_mod_installer
00:25 < rxr> oh - r14000 this weekend ,-)
00:26 < rxr> rock is @r6744
00:26 < _Ragnar__> =) kewl
00:28 < rxr> I could commit every X11R7-final package in a single chunk if I would be evil ,-)
00:28 < rxr> but I guess image creation changes will be enough
00:29 < rxr> _Ragnar__: btw, what I wonder all the time, do you use t2 in production or just for your personal needs?
00:29 < _Ragnar__> both
00:29 < _Ragnar__> =)
00:30 < _Ragnar__> company firewall runs t2/uclibc (but I might switch that back to glibc again) fileserver runs t2, my workplace desktop and my laptop;)
00:36 < rxr> nice to hear ,-)
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00:36 < rxr> why do yo consider switching back to uclibc ?
00:36 < jsaw> g'night all
00:37 < rxr> n8 jsaw
00:37 * rxr soon off as well
00:43 < rxr> (clifford) reminder to myself: "svn mv" openldap to base repository
00:43 < rxr> .oO
00:43 < rxr> maybe soon they mv x{free86,org} into base as well ,-)
01:00 < _Ragnar__> rxr: from uclibc ...it's just a hassle to fix stuff
01:03 < rxr> doesn't most stuff just built?
01:03 < rxr> didn't even ...
01:06 < rxr> n8 allk
01:06 < rxr> -k
01:12 < _Ragnar__> nini
01:12 < _Ragnar__> bin auch im bett
01:13 < _Ragnar__> gn8
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01:38 < mnemoc> rehi
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05:38 < CIA-9> amery * r13901 /trunk/package/graphic/asymptote/asymptote.desc: * updated asymptote (0.95 -> 0.97)
05:50 * Xenos is back (gone 07:06:05)
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09:20 < kristian> hmm, just found out, that eclipse is not a tool of choice when coding in c.
09:20 * kristian falls back to emacs again
09:20 * kristian wants usable offline crossreference
09:28 < rxr_> re
09:28 -!- You're now known as rxr
09:30 < kristian> re rxr
09:30 < kristian> rxr what is your development environment of choice?
09:38 < owl> moin
09:40 < rxr> depends what is handy, any not too insane ASCII editor is usually fine, for longer stuff xemacs, but it is gettin on my nerves for some time now and I have writing a really modern editor architecture on my TODO, somewhere, in the 4MB file that is ...
09:42 < kristian> rxr here the same. anjuta is just not developing. last release half a year ago, busy mailinglist but the cvs is nearly unusable since dependencies are strange.
09:42 < kristian> kdevelop ist kde. :(
09:42 < kristian> bl
09:44 < rxr> well - kdevelop is kde is a big ;-)
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09:45 < rxr> or are you one of those strange people that use s.th. like this borked gnome wanna be desktop environments
09:45 < CIA-9> rene * r13902 /trunk/package/x11/fox/fox.desc: * updated fox (1.4.22 -> 1.4.27)
09:46 < CIA-9> rene * r13903 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.14 -> 2.17)
09:46 < _Ragnar__> oh rene who made those geode things again?
09:47 < CIA-9> rene * r13904 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1)
09:47 < _Ragnar__> that you tested
09:47 < rxr> the ones we utilize dt-research.com
09:47 < rxr> http://www.dt-research.com/
09:49 < _Ragnar__> thanks ;) that looks neat
09:51 < _Ragnar__> what do they sell for?
09:56 < geekitus__> hi
09:57 < rxr> _Ragnar__: price? 3xx EUR I think
09:58 < _Ragnar__> ah ok
09:58 < _Ragnar__> they don't seem to have it in their shop
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10:22 < LMJ> good morning
10:24 < rxr> moin LMJ
10:25 < LMJ> how are you today ?
10:30 < rxr> fine, thanks - you too?
10:32 < LMJ> yep
10:32 < LMJ> html design time today :-/
10:32 < LMJ> but it's for money :-)
10:41 < valentin> moin
10:44 < valentin> i wonder if i should reply to this proffessor bowman and complain that font-rendering in asymptote is sooo slow...
10:44 < rxr> valentin: hehe - feel free to
10:44 < valentin> s/proffessor/professor
10:48 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/asymptote.html
10:48 < rxr> fixed
10:49 < LMJ> hello valentin
10:49 < rxr> mnemoc: CLIP 1.1.15
10:50 < valentin> hi LMJ
10:50 < LMJ> <-- SerWou here ;)
10:53 < LMJ> rxr : i would like to report a compilation problem with xpdf 3.01pl1 for 2.1 stable (I know it's not on stable mode yet) http://pastebin.com/466427
10:53 < LMJ> maybe i forgot to update dependancies .conf or so ?
10:55 < rxr> LMJ: you have patches in your xpdf dir that do not belong there ...
10:55 < rxr> also we split xpdf and t1lib in trunk
10:55 < rxr> thus you need to grab both folders, t1lib and xpdf and build both
10:55 < rxr> rm -rf xpdf and grabbing the trunk directories should just build
10:56 < LMJ> let me try again
10:58 < valentin> yuck - explosion in a russian nuclear reactor ?!!??!
10:58 < LMJ> no, just near one
10:59 < LMJ> at least, what they said
10:59 < valentin> well, at least not in the reactor itself
10:59 < valentin> so no chernobyl II
10:59 < LMJ> no
10:59 < LMJ> no yet
11:00 < LMJ> we are missing of extra radiations since a couple of years, isn't it ? :-/
11:01 < rxr> valentin: what the hell ?
11:01 < valentin> LMJ: well, i remember what they told in 1986. "Just a normal fire outside the reactor, no radiation"
11:02 < LMJ> look the good side, soon, Opensource coders will have 3 arms to code faster
11:02 < rxr> Innenminister Wolfgang Sch?uble will Informationen nutzen, die durch Folter erpresst worden sind. Nur selber foltern sollten deutsche Sicherheitsbeh?rden auf keinen Fall. mehr...
11:02 < rxr> ? CNN: Topterrorist Sarkawi festgenommen - und freigelassen
11:02 < rxr> ? Anti-Folter-Gesetz: Bush gibt Widerstand auf
11:02 < rxr> ? Wahl im Irak: Erste Ergebnisse in zwei Wochen
11:02 < rxr> ? Al-Qaida: Anschlag in Stockholm?
11:02 < rxr> oops
11:02 < rxr> damned
11:02 < LMJ> lol
11:03 < valentin> cnn.com does not have the news either, but tagesschau has
11:03 < valentin> i try to search for an english article
11:05 < rxr> we could fly people into the US for death penalty, just ourself we should not kill people or what?
11:06 < rxr> damend C{D,S}U blockheads ...
11:06 < rxr> i would vote for to test this on some of those C{D,S}U first - the world would be a better place after all
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11:08 < valentin> "Betroffen sei eine Anlage zum Einschmelzen radioaktiv verstrahlter Metalle aus dem Leningradski-Atomkraftwerk" <- what the hell do they do with their nuclear waste ? melt it and produce tin cans ?
11:09 < rxr> yes, so they can throw compressed waste into the ocean ...
11:11 < nzg> moin
11:12 < nzg> valentin: the ecapsulate them in glass
11:12 < nzg> (at least i hope so)
11:23 < kristian> rxr actually i am. ;) - but ist sucks also
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12:00 < valentin> hm ... should i stay or should i go now ?
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12:02 < Baldzius> morning
12:33 < rxr> moin Baldzius
12:34 < Baldzius> hi rxr
12:42 < karasz> moin all
12:44 < valentin> re
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13:19 < CIA-9> rene * r13905 /trunk/scripts/config.in: * added an option to choose the desired image output format
13:20 < CIA-9> rene * r13906 /trunk/target/bootdisk/ (11 files):
13:20 < CIA-9> * removed obsolete stuff and refactored bootdisk target in order
13:20 < CIA-9> to migrate to generic image creation
13:25 < CIA-9> rene * r13907 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
13:25 < CIA-9> * renamed target/bootdisk to target/install and changed the default for
13:25 < CIA-9> the output image option
13:27 < rxr> 14572 root 18 0 466m 326m 276 D 0.3 75.6 3:52.26 cc1plus
13:28 < rxr> the poor subnotebook's memory is quite saturated, swapping a lot :-(
13:28 < rxr> - Target Distribution
13:28 < rxr> (desktop) Desktop System
13:28 < rxr> (install) Install CD / disks
13:30 < rxr> altarnative choice so far: (livecd) Live CD
13:30 < CIA-9> rene * r13908 /trunk/target/livecd/preconfig.in:
13:30 < CIA-9> * changed the livecd to register itself as image output rather than a
13:30 < CIA-9> target
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13:58 < CIA-9> rene * r13909 /trunk/target/livecd/ (build.sh build_image.sh build_initrd.sh build_stage1.sh):
13:58 < CIA-9> * ported livecd to new target independant image creation
13:58 < CIA-9> * removed long obsolute, rock inherited livecd/build_stage1.sh
13:59 < rxr> Ineed more ram for my subnotebook ,-)
13:59 < rxr> 512 - unified graphic memory are too less for exessive t2 builds on that 64bit number cruncher ...
13:59 < rxr> constantly swapping on --enable-final'ized kde packages ...
13:59 < rxr> Mem: 442056 437248 4808 0 1912 20668
13:59 < rxr> -/+ buffers/cache: 414668 27388
13:59 < rxr> Swap: 498004 328392 169612
14:02 < CIA-9> rene * r13910 /trunk/target/install/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
14:02 < CIA-9> * removed install/download.txt and moved the shutdown helper into a
14:02 < CIA-9> new-style rootfs overlay
14:21 < CIA-9> rene * r13911 /trunk/target/livecd/ (build.sh init):
14:21 < CIA-9> * added ide-generic to the forced modules of the livecd init so that
14:21 < CIA-9> at least old PIO IDE fallback works if no driver for the chipset
14:21 < CIA-9> is available
14:21 < CIA-9> * removed pkglook from livecd/build.sh, not needed as image backend
14:21 < CIA-9> anymore
14:37 * kristian hs to sign his non disclosure and invention / patent assignment agreement until monday. - what the fuck!
14:39 < kristian> am I supposed to change some points there? - frankly it says that every thing that comes into my mind is property of the company.
14:40 < rxr> kristian: have fun
14:41 < kristian> yeah... ;(
14:42 < rxr> how did you came to that company?
14:42 < rxr> btw. you can not disclose the name?
14:43 < kristian> empower technologie - I have not subscribed jet. ;-)
14:45 < kristian> when i came to shanghai i was searching the local job offers of it companies. I wrote like 30 applications and send my cv to most of them.
14:45 < rxr> are you in shanghai right now ?
14:45 < kristian> yes
14:46 < rxr> aha
14:46 < kristian> actually in nan fang city at the lian hua lu. ;-)
14:48 * rxr hopeing kristian is pushing t2 over there ...
14:48 < rxr> though I fear you are too much a debian instable user or so ...
14:48 < kristian> we are working at omap 5910 devices and have to use linux-2.6.12.2-omap1 as the headquarter wants it... - really strange - as my job is mostly to backport the patches. (i kind of picked this way since i did not want do port all the strange 2.4 drivers to 2.6)
14:49 < kristian> rxr as soon as i've found a sutable development environment i will ask them to uninstall my chinesse windows
14:49 < rxr> urghs
14:51 < kristian> we have a really nice win32 ide which has kross reference and i dont want to miss that navigating through the kernel
14:52 < rxr> you tell me you a) really click thru windows and b) edit linux kernel source under this DOS ?
14:52 < rxr> the poor kernel
14:52 < kristian> you do stange things if you have to.
14:52 < kristian> i found virtual desktops for win32
14:52 < kristian> so i dont need no mouse
14:53 < kristian> and putty in fullscreen is antialiased if you pick the right font
14:54 < kristian> but, I cant read what I am writing here so i'll stop it
14:54 < rxr> ?
14:54 < rxr> kristian: have you finished your diplom ?
14:55 < kristian> no i still need one semester and than the diploma thesis
14:56 < kristian> rxr if this company starts changing, when i ask them to. maybe I can write the thesis in canada at the headquarter - or lead a tem here in shanghai for the diploma theme
14:57 < kristian> maybe, just an idea
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14:59 < madtux> hi
14:59 < rxr> moin miguel!
15:00 < kristian> hi madtux
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15:01 < madtux> hello :)
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15:04 < LMJ> Hello madtux
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15:19 < rxr> moin mnemoc
15:20 < valentin> who is root at alicedsl ?
15:20 < valentin> is that you rxr ?
15:21 < rxr> psst
15:22 < jsaw> because P2P software (...) constitutes as substantial security risk its use and installation within the institute is forbidden (...)
15:22 < jsaw> .oO(?)
15:22 < rxr> ?
15:22 < rxr> hi jsaw
15:22 < jsaw> hi rxr
15:22 < LMJ> aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
15:22 < valentin> jsaw: legal security risk ;)
15:23 < LMJ> WTF samba is installed with LDAP
15:23 < jsaw> valentin,rxr: that's so stupid. why not recommend to de-install Windows... gah
15:24 < valentin> rxr: i have a patent idea: a keyboard with numberblock, direction and function keys on the left side of the character block
15:24 < valentin> so one can place the mouse to the right
15:24 < mnemoc> moin!
15:25 < rxr> 15:19 < rxr> moin mnemoc
15:25 < valentin> moin mnemoc
15:25 < mnemoc> moin rxr,valentin, jsaw, serwou
15:25 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
15:25 < LMJ> hello mnemoc and jsaw
15:25 < jsaw> hi LMJ
15:25 < mnemoc> LMJ: samba has ldap support _if_ openldap was there on build time
15:26 < jsaw> and I'm using it ;)
15:26 < LMJ> why it download openldap in that case ?
15:26 < mnemoc> LMJ: Emerge use all the deps found during reference build
15:27 < LMJ> so -nodeps ?
15:27 < mnemoc> LMJ: that's why i'm against it :)
15:27 < mnemoc> -deps=none
15:27 < LMJ> yes
15:27 < LMJ> i forget the good command
15:27 < LMJ> that's impossible
15:27 < mnemoc> what?
15:27 < LMJ> you're right mnemoc ;)
15:28 < LMJ> gonna mine -rf samba
15:28 < CIA-9> aldas * r13912 /trunk/package/network/ipsec-tools/compile-fix.patch: * removed ipsec-tools/compile-fix.patch <- obsolete
15:30 < LMJ> maybe an option in ./scripts/Config for samba, to valid or not important deps like ldap or not
15:31 < mnemoc> LMJ: not possible
15:31 < LMJ> ok
15:32 < mnemoc> LMJ: restricting them is target responsability, if your target provides openldap. it will be used
15:32 < LMJ> ha yes
15:32 < LMJ> mine -rf openldap too in my case without re-emerge it
15:32 < LMJ> before**
15:32 < mnemoc> you could pkgsel '- openldap' on the config you are using to Emerge to remove it
15:33 < mnemoc> in that case openldap wont be on config/${config:-default/packages, so wont be used
15:33 < mnemoc> because it doesn't exist
15:33 < LMJ> i could do that if i was doing a target t2 i guess
15:33 < mnemoc> s/doesn't/won't/
15:33 < mnemoc> or config's pkgsel
15:34 < mnemoc> but if you don't adjust your build, you will get a generic
15:35 < LMJ> - openldap put in pkgsel will never compile openldap when it's in the dependencies list ?
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15:37 < mnemoc> - openldap will remove openldap from the universe
15:38 < mnemoc> O openldap will just disable it, but Emerge-Pkg will see it
15:38 < rxr> though we'll adapt Emerge heursitic to be a bit more inteligent soon
15:38 < CIA-9> aldas * r13913 /trunk/package/database/mysql/mysql.desc: * updated mysql (4.1.15 -> 4.1.16)
15:39 < rxr> and trunk will sooner than later get marks what are optional deps and such - so Emerge-Pkg will have fine grained knowledge and expose control what to build
15:39 < mnemoc> rxr: the only we can do is don't use O dependencies for X packages
15:39 < mnemoc> (X or installed)
15:39 < mnemoc> rxr: it's target's job to remove unwanted packages from the list
15:40 < LMJ> good idea rxr
15:41 < LMJ> i was thinking the same thing, there are optionnals and essentials deps
15:41 < mnemoc> LMJ: that's another issue
15:41 < mnemoc> LMJ: runtime/buildtime deps, mandatory/optional deps
15:41 < LMJ> maybe you can ask question with Yes/No during the emerge process
15:42 < LMJ> for samba you speak mnemoc ?
15:42 < mnemoc> rxr: what i want, and that fits your installcd/bootcd work, is to change [XO] with [XBO] X: built and packaged/installed, B: just built, O: ignored.
15:43 < mnemoc> LMJ: in general, because we currently only have one kind of deps
15:43 < LMJ> i see
15:43 < LMJ> i'm scared, this discution is out of my knowledge range :-D
15:44 < mnemoc> i think we could do a deps reporting system, and then detect what is 'always' there, and what is not there sometimes. and then 'flag' deps
15:45 < LMJ> since you are all here, gonna show you something who happned to me with the lastest xpdf
15:46 < mnemoc> 3.01pl1?
15:46 < demian> hi
15:46 < mnemoc> hi demian
15:46 < LMJ> http://pastebin.com/466616
15:46 < LMJ> yes mnemoc
15:46 < LMJ> trying to emerge it on my 2.1 stable
15:47 < mnemoc> from trunk, which has a different deps set
15:47 < mnemoc> due to modular X
15:47 < mnemoc> use xpdf from 2.1 on 2.1
15:47 < LMJ> so, i should wait
15:47 < mnemoc> and from trunk on 2.2
15:48 < mnemoc> xpdf 3.01pl1 _is_ on 2.1
15:48 < LMJ> ho
15:48 < LMJ> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/
15:48 < LMJ> exact
15:49 < mnemoc> use _svn_!
15:49 < LMJ> to download the whole thing ?
15:49 < mnemoc> to have the working copy in sync
15:49 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1/package/graphic/xpdf/xpdf.desc
15:50 < LMJ> oups
15:50 < LMJ> i did a mistake
15:50 < LMJ> i paste the wrong link
15:50 < mnemoc> i noticed
15:53 < LMJ> i'm curious about apache 2.2
15:54 < LMJ> have you planned to update the .desc or there are some problems ?
15:54 < mnemoc> after T2 2.2 branch i guess
15:54 < LMJ> ok
15:54 < mnemoc> rxr: do you want apache 2.2 on t2 2.2?
15:55 < CIA-9> rene * r13914 /trunk/target/install/ (7 files):
15:55 < CIA-9> * renamed install/initrc* to init* (as in the livecd and saner)
15:55 < CIA-9> * mostly converted linuxrc.c to portable shell code (not complete
15:55 < CIA-9> set and mostly untested)
15:55 < CIA-9> * started to inject convert the install build and init scripts to
15:55 < rxr> mnemoc: noe yet
15:55 < CIA-9> work with u/dev and the latest trunk layout by injecting
15:55 < CIA-9> livecd code pieces
15:55 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not know yet if subversion works with the new apache#
15:55 < rxr> if it is suport to work "more or less" we could update - but I have not spotted a apache 2.2 mail on the subversion list
15:56 < rxr> maybe just wait some more week++
15:56 < mnemoc> ack
15:56 < rxr> mnemoc: I think you'll love the next gen install code ...
15:56 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess I can remove uboot then ?
15:57 < rxr> not yet fully shell code but mostly ported some crap removed:
15:57 < rxr> linuxrc.c | 781 +++++++++++++++++++-------------------------------------------
15:57 < rxr> ^- shell vs. C code compression ratio ,-)
15:57 < mnemoc> rxr: sure, drop it
15:57 < LMJ> you planned a deadline for 2.2 ?
15:58 < mnemoc> beta for xmas
15:58 < CIA-9> rene * r13915 /trunk/target/uboot/: * removed uboot work-in-progress, since obsoleted by the install rewrite
15:58 < LMJ> who is Santa ? rxr or mnemoc .. ?
15:58 < mnemoc> rxr
15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: is the 2.1 santa ,-)
15:58 < LMJ> hehe
15:58 < mnemoc> :)
15:58 < mnemoc> 2.1.1 will be the gift for the poor guys
15:58 < rxr> 680 builds total, 480 completed fine, 2 with errors.
15:59 < mnemoc> rxr: similar results than mine?
15:59 < rxr> yep
15:59 < LMJ> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=none samba <---- solved my problems after HOURS of troubles with samba setup :-@
15:59 < CIA-9> rene * r13916 /branches/2.1/package/develop/librep/librep.conf: * fixed librep for some architectures such as x86-64 by using system libtool
16:02 < CIA-9> amery * r13917 /trunk/package/develop/clip/clip.desc: * updated clip (1.1.14-204 -> 1.1.15-1)
16:04 < LMJ> how you guys keep update of all packages ? did you suscribe to ALL mailing-list project you are maintaining ?
16:05 < rxr> LMJ: in the past we run a checker over our files
16:05 < rxr> LMJ: sine months we do this automatically on a server and have a t2-updates mailing list that get's the output ...
16:06 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/contact.html
16:06 < mnemoc> LMJ: but a good maintainer is suscripted to most ML of his packages
16:06 < rxr> mnemoc: what would be 800 for me ?
16:06 < mnemoc> LMJ: because not everything is 'updates'
16:06 < mnemoc> rxr: the important ones :)
16:06 < mnemoc> rxr: about 60 for me :\
16:06 < LMJ> haha
16:07 < rxr> LMJ: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/1578
16:07 < rxr> ^- santa clause mail ,-)
16:07 < LMJ> HO HO HO
16:07 < LMJ> ^--- Santa laugh
16:07 < rxr> LMJ: due to the nice data layout of T2 .desc files updates are mostly automated / tiny cut'n paste work ...
16:08 < LMJ> ok rxr
16:08 < LMJ> lot of data to maintain
16:09 < LMJ> so, each time you add a package, you have to follow updates and do them, check if it compile, etc...
16:09 < rxr> must be a hole my cup - coffee disappearing soo quickly ...
16:09 < LMJ> lol
16:10 < LMJ> that's an empiric work
16:10 < LMJ> but i think it's the only way
16:12 < CIA-9> rene * r13918 /trunk/target/generic/build.sh:
16:12 < CIA-9> * added evaluation of the output image backend selected to the
16:12 < CIA-9> generic/build.sh
16:14 < rxr> mnemoc: when would you tag 2.1.1? x-mas present ?
16:16 < mnemoc> tag? right after you make desktop build flawless on x86-64 :)
16:16 < mnemoc> announcement can be x-mas present :)
16:17 < rxr> mnemoc: is this mono on stable and x86-64 known:
16:17 < rxr> checking for GC_malloc in -lgc... no
16:17 < rxr> configure: error: "GC requested but libgc not found! Install libgc or run configure with --with-gc=none."
16:17 < rxr> Due to previous errors, no 5-mono.log file!
16:18 < mnemoc> read the config.log
16:18 < mnemoc> a symbol is missing
16:18 < mnemoc> yuck yuck
16:19 < CIA-9> rene * r13919 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/dvbd/64bit.patch: * fixed dvbd for 64bit platforms
16:20 < rxr> mnemoc: undefined references to pthread_* ...
16:20 < mnemoc> :(
16:20 < mnemoc> .oO( i was sure i had fixed dvdb )o
16:21 < mnemoc> .oO( commited only to trunk i guess )o
16:22 * rxr slaps mnemoc ....
16:22 < mnemoc> i should have asked you for review :)
16:22 < LMJ> christmas slap
16:22 < mnemoc> but you don't review awaylog :)
16:23 < rxr> mnemoc: don't name patches x86-64 if they are generic 64bit patches ,-)
16:23 < mnemoc> :)
16:23 < mnemoc> ok
16:23 < rxr> well - ok - now we have divergating patches on trunk and 2.1 for dvbd - worser stuff can happen
16:23 < rxr> I sugegst leaving it as it is ...
16:23 < rxr> on x64-64 on trunk libgc.so misses pthread dependency ...
16:24 < mnemoc> commit to trunk, and merge to 2.1. that's the idea
16:24 < rxr> of course
16:25 < rxr> I could merge the better named and slightly different patch form 2.1 to trunk now ...
16:26 < mnemoc> sure
16:26 < mnemoc> i wasn't happy with my patch
16:26 < mnemoc> that's why i asked for review and i didn't merge to stable
16:26 < rxr> mine is not much perfecter ..
16:27 < rxr> better would be to add another overloading to the toString thing for 64bit ...
16:27 < rxr> but I do not care about loosing precision / clamping the values in the places the cast is needed ...
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16:34 < CIA-9> rene * r13920 /trunk/target/install/ (build.sh init init2 rootfs/init):
16:34 < CIA-9> * more moved the init2 into the install/rootfs overlay, further work
16:34 < CIA-9> on the 1st stage init and other polishing on the way
16:36 < rxr> mnemoc: would you mind when I make the install handling even easier?
16:36 < rxr> use the live-cd cd detection and continue loading stage2 from cd if found?
16:37 < rxr> and only offer the historic 1st stage shell if no cd can be found to allow manual interaction at that early stage?
16:37 < rxr> that would be way more user friendly for the average user, no?
16:39 < CIA-9> aldas * r13921 /trunk/package/kde/k3b/k3b.desc: * updated k3b (0.12.7 -> 0.12.10)
16:39 < CIA-9> aldas * r13922 /trunk/package/kde/k3b-i18n/k3b-i18n.desc: * updated k3b-i18n (0.12.7 -> 0.12.10)
16:47 < CIA-9> rene * r13923 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvbd/ (64bit.patch x86_64.patch):
16:47 < CIA-9> * reverted r13760, dvbd for 64bit platform fix and merged r13919 from
16:47 < CIA-9> branches/2.1 instead
16:49 < CIA-9> rene * r13924 /trunk/package/develop/boehm-gc/boehm-gc.conf:
16:49 < CIA-9> * fixed boehm-gc to correctly link libgc.so against libpthread
16:49 < CIA-9> on lib64 platforms by using system libtool
16:53 < CIA-9> rene * r13925 /branches/2.1/package/develop/boehm-gc/boehm-gc.conf:
16:53 < CIA-9> * merged r13924 from trunk: fixed boehm-gc to correctly link libgc.so
16:53 < CIA-9> against libpthread on lib64 platforms by using system libtool
16:54 < rxr> mnemoc: fixes mono on x86-64
16:54 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.1-stable-x86-64-athlon64-desktop:
16:54 < rxr> 680 builds total, 505 completed fine, 0 with errors.
16:58 < CIA-9> rene * r13926 /trunk/target/install/init: * removed C'nism and syntax errors in install/init, starts come up again
17:26 < rxr> 1http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-powerppl/index.html
17:34 < karasz> rxr?
17:34 < rxr> karasz: yep
17:35 < karasz> `rxr 1http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-powerppl/index.html`
17:35 < karasz> ^^ what about it?
17:35 < rxr> remove the 1
17:35 < karasz> done that
17:35 < karasz> what about it?
17:35 < rxr> interesting powerpc overview posted on #ppc64
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17:56 < MisterN> hi
17:57 < karasz> hello MisterN
18:32 * mnemoc hate his work
18:32 * mnemoc hate his work
18:32 * mnemoc hate his work
18:32 < mnemoc> *food*
18:37 < CIA-9> amery * r13927 /trunk/package/mail/mess822/mess822.conf: * fixed mess822 to do install it's files
18:38 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
18:52 < karasz> take it easy mnemoc
18:53 < CIA-9> rene * r13928 /trunk/target/install/init: * further fixup of the new install/init based on testing
18:55 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.1-stable-x86-64-athlon64-desktop:
18:55 < rxr> 680 builds total, 512 completed fine, 0 with errors.
18:56 < madtux> mnemoc, so come work here.
18:57 < rxr> The year in Power Architecture technology: The best of 2005
18:57 < rxr> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-yearend05/?ca=dgr-lnxw07PowerYear05
19:10 < CIA-9> rene * r13929 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-nsc/xf86-video-nsc.desc:
19:10 < CIA-9> * only build xf86-video-nsc on x86, since it is only embedded in x86
19:10 < CIA-9> Geode CPUs
19:11 < CIA-9> rene * r13930 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-nsc/xf86-video-nsc.desc: * fixed xf86-video-nsc R tag
19:13 -!- demian [n=demian@201.206.44.210] has quit ["Lost terminal"]
19:17 < mnemoc> CIA-9: ?
19:18 -!- demian [n=demian@201.206.44.210] has joined #t2
19:18 < rxr> mnemoc: yes ?
19:19 * demian was disturbed
19:20 < CIA-9> rene * r13931 /trunk/scripts/config-functions.in: * fixed pkgsel_parse to allow [range] expressions
19:20 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you hate right now @work ?
19:21 < CIA-9> amery * r13932 /trunk/package/mail/mdmh/ (. errno.patch head_-n.patch mdmh.conf mdmh.desc): * added mdmh (0.7) - a command-line email interface for Maildir folders
19:22 < mnemoc> louses?
19:23 < rxr> louses?
19:23 < rxr> people or animals ?
19:25 < rxr> hm - wonders if thes dt-research page ever worked in lang=en
19:25 < rxr>
19:25 < rxr>
Click for US Website
19:25 < rxr>
19:28 < _Ragnar__> *hrhr* yea I saw that too
19:33 < rxr> _Ragnar__: there is a .uk company selling the same thing with a slightly better looking front IMHO at least
19:33 < rxr> I fear I do not have the URL handy :-((
19:34 < rxr> but I could find out e.g. 'till monday
19:37 < demian> see u next week
19:37 < demian> bye
19:37 < rxr> cu demian
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20:00 < CIA-9> aldas * r13933 /trunk/package/network/lat/lat.desc: * updated lat (0.7.4 -> 0.8)
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20:13 < CIA-9> rene * r13934 /trunk/package/network/fget/ (. errno.patch fget.cache fget.conf fget.desc): * added fget (0.4.1) - A minimal http/ftp download tool for boot disks
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21:26 < CIA-9> rene * r13935 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/ (00-minimal.in benchmark.in):
21:26 < CIA-9> * added our initrd helpers to the 00-minimal template (pdksh, embutils and friends)
21:26 < CIA-9> * added udev to the 00-minimal template
21:26 < CIA-9> * removed devfsd frlom the benchmark template
21:27 < CIA-9> rene * r13936 /trunk/target/install/ (build_initrd.sh init): * further install/ fixes, starts to come up
21:35 < rxr> mnemoc: any comment about my 1st stage question some hours ago ?
21:41 < CIA-9> aldas * r13937 /trunk/package/multimedia/kino/kino.desc: * updated kino (0.7.6 -> 0.8.0)
21:42 < rxr> Baldzius: btw. thanks for your update work ,-)
21:43 < Baldzius> :)
21:43 < CIA-9> rene * r13938 /trunk/target/install/init: * removed a left over C comment from the new install/init and improved the text
21:44 < CIA-9> msluis * r13939 /trunk/package/java/maven/maven.desc: * updated maven (2.0 -> 2.0.1)
21:50 < CIA-9> aldas * r13940 /trunk/package/multimedia/klear/ (klear.conf klear.desc):
21:50 < CIA-9> * updated klear (0.5.2 -> 0.5.3)
21:50 < CIA-9> * modified klear.conf to use scons
22:02 < CIA-9> rene * r13941 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/50-udev.rules:
22:02 < CIA-9> * fixed latest u/dev config to use hotplug++ as firmware helper and
22:02 < CIA-9> create cdorm%n symlinks
22:03 < Baldzius> is new udev ready for production?
22:04 < rxr> well - sort off
22:04 < rxr> the config is copied from the redhat or gentoo example
22:04 < rxr> because the rewrite of udev made our t2 config useless ..
22:04 < rxr> but the config is extremely crappy
22:05 < rxr> I need some dedicated hours to clean it up ...
22:05 < rxr> but it works on my turion sub-notebook so far and with this fixes most probably for the installer I'm rigth now coding
22:07 < Baldzius> in that case i'll try new udev as i lost my sound nodes somehow
22:10 < rxr> Baldzius: hm
22:11 < rxr> Baldzius: that reminds me you need to update your system init and ramdisk for that
22:11 < rxr> maybe better wait until we have a 2.2 installable CD and install that if you do not want to tinker in that area
22:14 < Baldzius> thanks, i'll try that either
22:14 < CIA-9> aldas * r13942 /trunk/package/network/dnrd/dnrd.desc: * updated dnrd (2.19 -> 2.20.1)
22:21 < rxr> mnemoc: are you still around ?
22:26 < CIA-9> aldas * r13943 /trunk/package/mail/courier-authlib/courier-authlib.desc: * updated courier-authlib (0.57 -> 0.58)
22:30 < CIA-9> rene * r13944 /trunk/target/install/ (build_initrd.sh menu.lst): * added preleminary menu.lst and a TODO: comment to build_initrd.sh
22:31 < CIA-9> rene * r13945 /trunk/target/install/build_stage1.sh: * removed obsolete install/build_stage1.sh
22:33 < CIA-9> aldas * r13946 /trunk/package/audio/imms/imms.desc: * updated imms (2.1.1 -> 3.0.1)
22:40 < CIA-9> aldas * r13947 /trunk/package/network/mdyndns/mdyndns.desc: * updated mdyndns (0.2 -> 0.2.1)
22:56 < CIA-9> rene * r13948 /trunk/target/install/ (build.sh build_stage2.sh): * some more work-in-progress for the new install/
22:59 * rxr away now - cu then
22:59 < rxr> uptime of just my workstation: 31 days, 18:56
22:59 < rxr> a good time to give it a rest ...
22:59 < rxr> n8 all
23:03 < mnemoc> cu rxr
23:13 < karasz> cu rxr
23:35 * VX is away: sleep..
23:37 < mnemoc> cu vixen
--- Log closed Sat Dec 17 00:00:12 2005