--- Log opened Fri Dec 09 00:00:41 2005 00:01 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 00:02 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 00:11 -!- tschmidt [n=tschmidt@p54AFF587.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 00:11 < tschmidt> remoin 00:13 -!- tschmidt is now known as nzg 00:13 < Xenos> 'night all 00:13 * Xenos is away: dropped to bed.. 00:13 < nzg> n8 Xenos 00:15 * nzg just installed the t2-2.1.0 desktop build for p4 00:29 < karasz> hello mnemoc 00:37 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF587.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 00:41 < karasz> mnemoc: i have a minimal p4 iso from wich i want to install a system with full xfce 00:41 < karasz> what should i Emerge? 00:44 < karasz> hmmm no mnemoc here :( 00:44 < karasz> nevermind i will hack around and find out 00:44 < karasz> that's why opensource is sooo powerfull :D 00:44 < karasz> cu guys and owlita 00:53 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]"] 00:54 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF587.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 01:37 < kristian> morning 01:37 < nzg> moin kristian 01:47 < mnemoc> rehi 01:47 < mnemoc> nzg: finally t2 powered :) 01:48 -!- SerWou__ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 01:48 < nzg> yes 01:50 < nzg> although i would prefer it, if the desktop target includes kernel-headers etc 01:52 < mnemoc> kernel headers are at /usr/include 01:53 < nzg> at least vmware seeks them under modules/'uname'/build 01:53 < mnemoc> you would need to pacakge vmware, to have kernel source available 01:54 < mnemoc> t2 doesn't package linux sources 01:54 < nzg> hm. 01:55 < mnemoc> kernel space part of packages are built inside kernel package 01:55 < mnemoc> user space part are built on the package 01:56 < mnemoc> look for postlinux.conf files 01:56 < nzg> ah, thx 01:56 < mnemoc> a vmware package would be very very welcomed :) 01:57 < nzg> yes, indeed, i will see what i can do 02:01 -!- SerWou [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:06 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF587.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:57 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.242.221] has joined #t2 05:36 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has joined #t2 05:36 -!- ServerMode/#t2 [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net 05:41 * Xenos is back (gone 05:27:50) 06:10 * kristian too 06:10 < Xenos> :) 06:10 < Xenos> hello, kristian 06:10 < kristian> hi Xenos 06:11 < kristian> does t2 have vmware packages? 06:11 < kristian> ah as i read on i c 06:11 < Xenos> erm.. no 06:11 < Xenos> i think 06:11 < Xenos> because it's a shareware program 06:12 < kristian> reading the backlog i would say, not jet 06:12 < Xenos> gm.. 06:12 < Xenos> kristian: what do u think about it? -> http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1099-desktop.png 06:13 < kristian> but i just read about this new prallels thing - which should be worth a try when beeing in x86 environment again 06:13 < kristian> let me look 06:14 < kristian> well nice backgrount - actually i like your font 06:14 < kristian> you are in moscow? 06:14 < Xenos> ;) 06:14 < Xenos> yeah 06:15 < kristian> i've been there for 4 days 2 months ago 06:15 < kristian> like that town 06:15 < Xenos> gi :) 06:16 < kristian> do you know a club named the aehm ... something with blah dog 06:16 < Xenos> hmm.. no.. 06:16 < kristian> lazy dog - or so 06:17 < kristian> hmm anyway - nice plave to live - and strange 06:17 < Xenos> :) 06:22 < kristian> ha! it was the "hungry dog" 06:23 < mnemoc> you could package vmware, setting [L] properly and doing possibly necessary hackery on [D] 06:23 < kristian> had a vodka with an extremly nice russian girl there. :) 06:23 < mnemoc> look at '-' in front of download location on sun's java 06:24 < mnemoc> hi maddin 06:24 < kristian> mnemoc have alook at parallels - beeing at the emulator topic 06:25 < mnemoc> :) 06:26 < mnemoc> like that town <--- moscow a town? 06:28 < kristian> mnemoc what would you call it? 06:28 < mnemoc> city :) 06:29 < mnemoc> what is a city for you? 06:30 < kristian> mnemoc i see. ;) - aehm then i should say shanghai here ;) 06:31 < kristian> mnemoc you know in germany there is just - town or village - stadt oder dorf 06:31 < mnemoc> oh 06:31 < kristian> while city == town 06:32 < Xenos> :kristian : had a vodka with an extremly nice russian girl there. :) <- :) 06:32 < mnemoc> to me a town has a couple of hundred people :) 06:32 < mnemoc> not moscow case :p 06:32 < Xenos> mnemoc: hello :) 06:32 < mnemoc> hi Xenos 06:33 < Xenos> argh 06:33 < mnemoc> how much people live at moscow? 12? 15 millions? 06:33 < Xenos> about of 11 06:33 < mnemoc> Xenos: do you prefer 'vixen'? 06:33 < Xenos> :>>> 06:33 < mnemoc> :) 06:33 < Xenos> nope, i think 06:33 < Xenos> but! 06:34 * Xenos is waiting for 5 progs 06:34 < Xenos> audacity 1.3.0 06:34 < Xenos> amule 2.1.0 06:34 < mnemoc> send the patches 06:34 < Xenos> gimp 2.2.10 06:34 < Xenos> proftpd 1.3.0 06:34 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/ 06:34 < Xenos> mnemoc: they are not released 06:34 < Xenos> :) 06:35 < Xenos> but coming soon 06:40 < Xenos> gg 06:40 < Xenos> VX is coming.. 06:40 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 06:40 < Xenos> :) 06:40 < Xenos> my bot 06:40 < Xenos> .help 06:41 < Xenos> .. :/ 06:41 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Client Quit] 06:42 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 06:42 < Xenos> .help 06:43 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Client Quit] 06:50 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep....gn8 06:52 < Xenos> 'night, mnemoc 07:06 < kristian> sleep well mnemoc 07:23 -!- ojh [n=omer@65-100-7-200.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 07:25 -!- mipe [n=mipe@k170.ip2.netikka.fi] has joined #t2 07:36 < rxr> re 07:52 < CIA-8> rene * r13838 /trunk/package/base/module-init-tools/module-init-tools.desc: * updated module-init-tools (3.2.1 -> 3.2.2) 07:53 < Xenos> hello, rxr 07:54 < rxr> moin Xenos 07:54 < Xenos> moin.. :> 07:54 * Xenos Date/Time is now [ Fri Dec 9 09:54:54 ] 07:55 < Xenos> rxr: what about of your time? 07:55 < Xenos> -3 ? 07:55 < Xenos> or not.. 07:57 < mipe> Xenos: where do you live? you are +1 from my time 07:58 < CIA-8> rene * r13839 /trunk/package/xorg/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 07:58 < CIA-8> * more overlooked xorg X11R7 RC3 updates: 07:58 < CIA-8> * updated font-adobe-utopia (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2) 07:58 < CIA-8> * updated font-bh (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2) 07:58 < CIA-8> * updated font-adobe (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2) 07:58 < CIA-8> * updated font-bh-lucidatypewriter (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2) 07:58 < CIA-8> * updated font-bitstream (0.99.0 -> 0.99.1) 07:58 < Xenos> emm.. mipe, look at this: http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1099-desktop.png 07:58 < Xenos> :) 07:59 < Xenos> the weather in menu :) 08:00 < mipe> ah, moscow 08:00 < mipe> hmm 08:01 * rxr hopes Xenos os pushing T2 over there to some more people ,-) 08:01 < Xenos> :) 08:01 < Xenos> yep 08:01 < mipe> i thought Moscow is a lot more ahead in hours that just by one 08:01 < Xenos> :) 08:01 < mipe> from my time 08:05 < mipe> so rxr, hows your octane running? 08:18 < mipe> rxr: have you compiled kdemultimedia for x64 in 2.1 branch? 08:18 < mipe> rxr: i get strange vorbis releated errors... 08:40 < rxr> mipe: I have not build 2.1 fully on x86-64 recently 08:41 < rxr> Octane instable - but new CPU and board ordered via ebay for only a few EUR 08:41 < rxr> let's see if that is more stable 09:05 < valentin> moin 09:06 < rxr> moin valentin! 09:25 -!- mipe_ [n=mipe@k170.ip2.netikka.fi] has joined #t2 09:25 < CIA-8> rene * r13840 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/mail-config.sh: * fixed archivista/mail-config.sh to really execute itself 09:37 -!- mipe [n=mipe@k170.ip2.netikka.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:58 < CIA-8> rene * r13841 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (15 files): 09:58 < CIA-8> * more verbose status messages and other tiny polishing along the 09:58 < CIA-8> lines for the archivista setup scripts 10:00 < rxr> valentin: how are you ? 10:03 < rxr> valentin: Berliner Abgeordnete verlangen Zeitplan f?r Linux-Migration 10:03 < rxr> valentin: maybe we should apply for that to get money++ and t2 into such houses ,-) 10:06 < valentin> if you realy want to hack ooo 10:07 < rxr> nope - only getting money++ delivering t2 sytems for them ... 10:07 < rxr> valentin: Niagara I Out the Door, Time for Niagara II 10:07 < rxr> valentin: Niagara (the UltraSPARC T1), .. - I hope they do not call the Niagara II T2 ... 10:07 < rxr> http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=12909 10:07 < valentin> oh 10:08 < rxr> valentin: can we register a trademark for t2 ? 10:08 < rxr> maybe we should inject some t1 keywords into our webpage so people googling for sun's cpu get to the t2 page ,-) 10:09 < valentin> as long as we can filter out their lawyers :) 10:09 < valentin> bbl 10:12 < rxr> so - some private tinkery till the afternoon where the next archivista bug analyzing is scheduled ... 10:14 * rxr thinks I'll try to netinstall some t2 bits on my loud dual-core g5 ... 10:15 < rxr> still spinning with 100% fans ... 10:16 < rxr> valentin: did I mention the dual-core has 1.5GB RAM ,-) 10:59 < rxr> so - rsync syncing the very old rs6k router filesytem onto a shiny new reiserfs partition on the Mac ,-) 10:59 < rxr> NFS root mounted of course 11:21 -!- mipe_ [n=mipe@k170.ip2.netikka.fi] has quit ["weekend"] 11:24 < rxr> 17430 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 8.7 0.0 1:44.23 nfsd 11:24 < rxr> 17432 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 8.7 0.0 0:57.84 nfsd 11:24 < rxr> 17429 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 8.1 0.0 0:43.54 nfsd 11:24 < rxr> 17431 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 8.1 0.0 2:11.38 nfsd 11:24 < rxr> 17426 root 15 0 0 0 0 D 7.4 0.0 1:43.51 nfsd 11:24 < rxr> 17425 root 15 0 0 0 0 D 7.1 0.0 1:22.27 nfsd 11:24 < rxr> 17428 root 15 0 0 0 0 D 7.1 0.0 1:02.97 nfsd 11:24 < rxr> 17427 root 15 0 0 0 0 D 6.1 0.0 0:40.08 nfsd 11:24 < rxr> ,-) 11:25 < rxr> load average: 4.25, 1.57, 0.61 11:25 < rxr> ... 11:25 < rxr> poor 360Mhz is pushed to death my the 64bit mosnters NFS access patterns ,-) 11:32 < Xenos> :)) 11:37 < rxr> 360Mhz IBM PowerPC ... 11:38 < rxr> ok - /me preparing lunch - the G5 with 100% fanout is a bit noisy ... 12:02 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.242.221] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:01 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178182224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 13:01 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-) 13:01 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005] 13:01 [Users #t2] 13:01 [@ChanServ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 13:01 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ SerWou__ ] [ Xenos ] 13:01 [ CIA-8 ] [ kristian] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] 13:01 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 13:01 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 13:01 -!- [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). 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Thanks! 13:02 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 26 secs 13:03 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 13:16 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 13:16 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Client Quit] 13:22 < karasz> moin all 13:22 < karasz> anyone has the link to ZDE because i can not find it.... 13:23 < Xenos> karasz: r u about zend? 13:23 < karasz> nope 13:23 < Xenos> :) 13:23 < karasz> zirconium desktop enviroment or such 13:24 < Xenos> nice :) 13:24 < karasz> i guess that valentin said something abiut it the other day... 13:24 < karasz> but i can't find it in logs :( 13:29 < karasz> :) 13:30 < karasz> got it 13:30 < karasz> it was ojh not valentin 13:31 < karasz> http://zirconium.xisystems.net/ 13:31 < karasz> ^^ if anyone is interested 13:31 < karasz> away for 30 mins 13:33 < karasz> hmmmm.... ChanServ? here on T2? 13:34 < rxr> re 13:34 < Xenos> :) 13:34 < Xenos> hello, rxr 13:34 < nzg> moin rxr 13:38 < owl> moin 13:40 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 13:42 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:42 -!- VX is now known as Xenos 13:53 < rxr> rehi 13:53 < rxr> so, now the ppc64 box is has a userspace that boots from HD ... 13:53 < rxr> processor : 0 13:53 < rxr> cpu : PPC970MP, altivec supported 13:53 < rxr> clock : 2000.000000MHz 13:53 < rxr> revision : 1.0 (pvr 0044 0100) 13:53 < rxr> processor : 1 13:53 < rxr> cpu : PPC970MP, altivec supported 13:53 < rxr> clock : 2000.000000MHz 13:53 < rxr> revision : 1.0 (pvr 0044 0100) 13:53 < rxr> timebase : 33333333 13:53 < rxr> machine : PowerMac11,2 13:53 < rxr> motherboard : PowerMac11,2 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh 13:53 < rxr> detected as : 414 (Unknown Shasta-based) 13:53 < rxr> pmac flags : 00000000 13:53 < rxr> L2 cache : 1024K unified 13:53 < rxr> pmac-generation : NewWorld 13:56 < rxr> Mem: 1507836 13:56 < rxr> + two giga ethernet ports ... 13:57 < Xenos> :) 13:57 < rxr> but loaud it still is ... 14:00 < rxr> powerpc64 Build-Target lunched 14:03 < karasz> hi all 14:03 < karasz> hello rxr 14:03 < rxr> hi karasz 14:04 < karasz> got the patches from benh? 14:04 < karasz> :D 14:04 < rxr> the first set, set 14:04 < rxr> yes even 14:04 < rxr> the fans are not yst controlled and thus spinning with high noise at 100% 14:04 < rxr> but it boots and I can build 14:08 * rxr now wears Sony studio monitor headphones against the fan noise ... 14:09 < demian> hi 14:09 < demian> some guys are working to do sound-removal machines 14:11 < rxr> I would be happy with fan control 14:11 < demian> adjusting these machines to certain frecuency, they kombat with another frecuency the noise, causing a sound frecuency human can't listen 14:11 < rxr> with proper fan control the dual core mac does not give any noise away 14:11 < rxr> demian: those exist long time 14:11 < rxr> usually named anti-noise or so 14:11 < rxr> just sampling the input and outputing the inverted signal to compensate the noise 14:12 < demian> rxr: somedays ago i was entered about that in a news paper.. 14:12 < rxr> at least basically 14:12 < rxr> demian: hm - maybe it was s.th. else then 14:12 < rxr> but this anti-noise, removal by accumulating the inverse exist long time 14:13 < demian> well, the topic of the news talked about how companies located in noisy cities could let their employees work without distraction. 14:14 < demian> even removing the noise from operational machines that makes ppl working with them use headphones 14:18 < rxr> # time tar xf ../download/mirror/g/glibc-20051128.tar.bz2 14:18 < rxr> real 0m10.164s 14:18 < rxr> user 0m7.552s 14:18 < rxr> sys 0m4.804s 14:20 < karasz> rxr G5 uses OpenFirmware too? 14:20 < rxr> of course 14:20 < rxr> but a different one - of course 14:20 < karasz> so the boot target is ok now... 14:20 < karasz> ohum 14:20 < rxr> karasz: nope not yet 14:20 < karasz> i got it, i was thinking about OpenPower... 14:20 < rxr> so far I only manually tinkered the long running IBM RS6000 B50 filesystem onto the box remotely 14:21 < rxr> now I build a shiny new 64bit target and at that end I'll see what boot code we need for the two boxes 14:21 < karasz> ack 14:22 * demian taking a breakfast with pizza, a new experience 14:23 < rxr> ouhm - the new ppc64 box extracts the glibc tarball in the seconds above - the old athlon needs way longer .... !!!! 14:25 < rxr> ah - ok - it is not too much slower 14:25 < rxr> it was just badly loaded before ... 14:25 < rxr> real 0m20.760s 14:25 < rxr> user 0m12.593s 14:25 < rxr> sys 0m2.124s 14:29 < mnemoc> moin! 14:30 < rxr> moin mnemoc !!! 14:30 < demian> gd morning mnemoc 14:30 < mnemoc> thx demian, rxr :) 14:30 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:30 < rxr> valentin: hostname power in my subnet ... in the case you need a ppc64 box ... 14:31 < mnemoc> rxr: first day without pain due to bike :p 14:31 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has joined #t2 14:31 < madtux> hola. 14:31 < mnemoc> wb madtux! 14:31 < rxr> mnemoc: but still cycling ? 14:31 < madtux> thx 14:31 < rxr> hallo miguel ,-) 14:31 < mnemoc> rxr: sure, daily since dec 1 14:31 < rxr> so you get trained now ,-) 14:32 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 14:32 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, i took 'just' 25m today 14:32 < madtux> hallo mein freund :), Wie gehts? 14:32 < rxr> mnemoc: first day with userspace on the HD of the power box ,-) 14:32 < mnemoc> rxr: :D 14:32 < rxr> madtux: gut danke - und selbst? 14:32 < madtux> gut auch, danke. 14:33 < madtux> demian, i have an Ultra Sparc 5 with sony 17" monitor for sale, interested? 14:33 < demian> hi madtux 14:33 < rxr> I have a 20" 13W3 Sun monitor to give away for free ... 14:33 < rxr> anyone? 14:33 < demian> how much ? 14:34 < madtux> rxr, whats the trick? 14:34 < rxr> free ,-) 14:34 < madtux> demian, 150k 14:34 < rxr> madtux: nothing - just wanna get rid of eye hurting and energy wasting non-LCD stuff ... 14:34 < demian> i think rxr offer sounds more attractive 14:34 < madtux> rxr, this could be handy for mnemoc. 14:34 < rxr> demian: shipping is not free ,-) 14:35 < rxr> madtux: mnemoc gets more useful stuff ,-) 14:35 < madtux> demian, he is offereing the monitor.. i am offerinf a box 14:35 < mnemoc> *G* 14:35 < madtux> rxr, good. 14:35 < demian> i am not interested. but i will notice my coworkers. 14:35 < rxr> stuff one can ship over the atlanting wihout tons EUR ... 14:35 < rxr> noone wants this CRT ... 14:36 < rxr> on ebay for over 10 days now without one EUR ... 14:36 < madtux> rxr, its more than that... mnemoc really lives as close to the end of the world as someone could ever be 14:36 < demian> anyways i would like one, so ill try to convice my boss 14:36 < madtux> demian, aight. 14:36 < madtux> rxr, show me a pic :) 14:37 < madtux> rxr, just like u i am trying to get rid of my crt stuff 14:37 < rxr> demian: we need a sparc boss - there are those T1 out now moving bits like crazzy - really boss, just sign here ,-) 14:37 < rxr> and we are way more productive tomorrow - promisse ... 14:38 < madtux> :) 14:39 < rxr> 14:39:09 up 1:00, 4 users, load average: 1.77, 2.05, 1.60 14:40 < mnemoc> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=chile&ll=-34.177583,-70.727406&spn=0.056259,0.162100&t=h&hl=en <--- this is not the end of the world.... just 70.7 latitude south 14:41 < rxr> ok - bets taken: will 1-glibc on trunk4powerpc64 crunch thru? 14:41 < rxr> and how long will the box be up until this highly experimental kernel show an issue ... 14:43 < demian> in which city of brasil u live ? 14:43 < demian> @ mnemoc 14:43 < madtux> demian, he is in chile 14:43 < mnemoc> interesting sign changes on maps.google.... i would live at 'south california' on the north 14:44 < mnemoc> or afganistan if i change the other sign 14:44 < demian> wasn't it brasil? 14:44 < madtux> no. 14:44 < mnemoc> south carolina, sorry 14:44 < mnemoc> demian: no, i have never hear portugues in my entire life :p 14:45 * rxr wonders if it is healty for the box to bootstrap t2 while the fan control is not yet there ... 14:45 < demian> i though there was a guy visitng #rock from brasil some time ago.. i though it was u. 14:45 < mnemoc> rxr: emergency mode is safe 14:46 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - over @ sun and sgi - but this is apple /crap/ ;-) 14:46 < madtux> demian, that was a frind of mine from florianopolis.. his name was javito 14:46 < mnemoc> rxr: but you could build natively :) 14:46 < rxr> I mean the os suX so much ... who knows what they did to the hardware ,-) 14:46 < mnemoc> hehe 14:47 < demian> well, going to work. have fun. 14:47 < madtux> demian, u too. 14:47 < rxr> annoying anough that they rely on the os to control the fans - instead of a "no singal for 2 minutes -> emergeny mode" they cold have computed the fans speed from the temperature sensors in hardware as well ... 14:47 < rxr> as they did in older boxes ... 14:47 < rxr> cu demian 14:47 * rxr tea 14:48 < rxr> glibc still building: up 1:09, 4 users, load average: 2.79, 2.52, 2.02 14:48 < mnemoc> rxr: news about morfoh? 14:50 < madtux> yeah have u gone to his place yet rxr? 14:53 < rxr> mnemoc: no 14:53 < rxr> mnemoc: no 14:54 < rxr> madtux: no even 14:54 < rxr> cool - glibc still building ... 14:56 < rxr> well - my own Geode LX box arrived today 14:57 < rxr> this means I'll suspend the RS6k as rooter soon 14:57 < rxr> using the Geode LX with external IEEE1394 disk as router and storage ... 14:58 < mnemoc> rxr: :D 15:00 < rxr> I could send the rs6k to you ... 15:00 < rxr> it has 786 MB RAM - but only one CPU with 360Mhz ... 15:00 < mnemoc> :D 15:01 < rxr> 2HE 19" server ... with 2 SCSI bays ... 15:01 < mnemoc> isn't shipping too expensive? 15:01 < rxr> I fear so 15:02 < rxr> yuche! 15:02 < rxr> glibc finished 15:02 < rxr> == 14:38:01 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [20051128 2.2.0-alpha]. 15:02 < mnemoc> yuche? that's new to me 15:02 < rxr> == 12/09/05 14:56:44 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc. 15:02 < rxr> now that is a nice buildtime 15:03 < rxr> powerpc64-G5-desktop# chroot . lib64/libc.so.6 15:03 < rxr> GNU C Library development release version 2.3.90 15:04 < rxr> good good so far 15:04 < demian> a question.. how can i avoid xorg console blanking? in a vconsole one could use setterm for that. 15:04 < rxr> xset 15:04 < rxr> -dpms force off 15:04 < rxr> or so .... 15:04 < rxr> or -ss (screen saver) 15:04 < demian> xset s off 15:05 * rxr making three crossses when the office is silent with a Geode router and a G5 with fan-control, next week 15:05 < demian> thnx 15:06 < mnemoc> rxr: :D 15:08 < demian> is there a diff viewer, like less but sintaxis for diff ? 15:09 < rxr> sure 15:09 < rxr> kompare 15:09 < rxr> `- kde of course 15:09 < demian> no kde. 15:09 < rxr> less cool stuff like xdiff or so ... 15:09 < demian> xdiff, ok. 15:09 < rxr> and I fear the is some segfaulting gnome equivalent that causes 100% system load while scrolling as well 15:11 < demian> foudn diffstat. not what i was looking for but it's cool. 15:12 < rxr> demian: yep - even apple ships it in the default install 15:12 < rxr> and we use it for the commit mails since ages ,-) 15:12 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:15 < rxr> valentin: http://www.golem.de/events/0512/2090.html 15:15 < rxr> valentin: GNU Hurd - Das UNIX-Prinzip jenseits alter Fesseln 15:15 < rxr> valentin: we should attend there - Berlin - Mitte ... 15:17 < rxr> valentin: another note: I called you ~ an hour ago, I'll be on the http://golem.de x-mas party this evening - but we should do some planings when what os x driver bit will coded and ready ... 15:23 < demian> Meld is cool. 15:23 < demian> but i was looking for one for console.. still havent found such one. 15:24 < rxr> demian: do you use t2 already? or still on foreign systems ? 15:25 < rxr> demian: meld is like kompare 15:25 < rxr> demian: vi has a diff mode ... 15:25 < rxr> vimdiff 15:25 < demian> foreign.. i am configuring some server @ the company so i am busy to try it atm. 15:25 < mnemoc> rxr: is rezound motif or gtk or something else? 15:25 < rxr> mnemoc: rezound is fox 15:25 < rxr> so - something else ,-) 15:26 < mnemoc> yuck 15:26 < rxr> yuck ? 15:26 < rxr> fox is not as evil as gtk ,-) 15:26 < rxr> at least C++ ... ,-) 15:26 < demian> rxr: even vim has sintax for diff, yes. but i was lokking for sth not for edit but to page the diff output.. umm mom. 15:26 < mnemoc> i have to have gtk, and i don't want to install anything else 15:27 < mnemoc> rxr: is gsmp usable? :) 15:27 < rxr> demian: I bet one can convince vim to just display the diff in the way vimdiff allows editing 15:27 < rxr> mnemoc: not on recent systems 15:27 < mnemoc> :( 15:27 < demian> rxr: i am looking for that excatly.. 15:27 < rxr> with glibc 2.2 and/or gcc 3.3 it oncovers our extreme use of threading and pushing C++ to an undefined edge ... 15:27 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has joined #t2 15:28 < rxr> mnemoc: we are working on a rewrite - named gsmp-ng - some basic tech is there and rocking 15:28 < rxr> however as you can imagine T2 and collecting money tasks eats most of /my / our time ... 15:28 < rxr> but rezound and audacity are usable ... 15:28 < rxr> audactiy is gtk IIRC 15:29 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you need / wanna do ? 15:29 < rxr> demian: btw. I do not know how to convice vim - /me is only a basic vi user ... 15:30 < demian> rxr: there is vim -R.. but it is not a pages/filter 15:30 * rxr wonders if throwing a solar panel out of the window would be enough for the geode ... 15:31 < mnemoc> rxr: save audio from a mic, cut unneeded parts, and save it 15:31 < rxr> mnemoc: mic ? 15:31 < mnemoc> microfone 15:31 < rxr> yeah - sure 15:31 < rxr> mnemoc: what new things are you gonna explore ? 15:32 < mnemoc> rxr: nothing... my wife needs to do stuff for phonetics class 15:32 < mnemoc> audactiy is wx afaik 15:33 < mnemoc> and marlin doesn't build on 2.1 15:33 < rxr> rezound and audacity are boot good for that 15:34 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. classic gsmp would be a big overkill for that anyway - gsmp-0.0 was designed as multi tracker to record studio or live music sessions with omre than 2 audio tracks 15:34 < rxr> like 8, 10 or 16 at a time 15:35 < rxr> we even produced a CD with it ... 15:35 < rxr> sounds quite nice ... 15:35 < rxr> recording 8 channels took 6% CPU load on a 600Mhz Athlon IIRC 15:35 < rxr> it was quite state of the art for it's time 15:36 < rxr> even allowed real-time FS preheshal and such - of course recording while playing existing tracks back and such 15:36 < mnemoc> :D 15:36 < rxr> s/FS/FX/ 15:36 < mnemoc> yes ,-) 15:37 < demian> rxr: svn diff ... | vim -R - 15:37 < demian> not a pager but it's ok for me now.. 15:38 < rxr> demian: it is not the diff mode I meant 15:38 < rxr> vimdiff has the changs on a left and right side ... 15:39 < mnemoc> vimdiff needs svn supprot :p 15:39 < rxr> mnemoc: vim should become an OS as well ? 15:39 * rxr wonders how healty it is with the mp3 louder than the mac fan ... 15:40 < demian> :D 15:40 < mnemoc> rxr: what about emacs ,-) 15:40 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:40 < rxr> mnemoc: emacs is why I said OS ,-) 15:40 < rxr> mnemoc: zile is a lovely tiny emacs ,-) 15:41 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 15:41 < rxr> mnemoc: what is your plan for 2.1.1 ? 15:42 < rxr> I would like to have a 2.1 relesae the day we have dull dual-core Mac support, so we can go into PR mode with that news ... 15:42 < rxr> when nothing goes wrong that could be next week ,-) 15:42 < rxr> of course I'll have a ppc and ppc64 iso handy at that time 15:42 < rxr> optimally also supporting karasz open power boxes ... 15:43 < rxr> however I fear the new box arrivs to late over @karasz to test the open power support ... 15:43 < rxr> but beeing in the news with "first dist for dual-core Powermac" is good enough 15:43 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has joined #t2 15:44 < mnemoc> wb madtux :) 15:44 < mnemoc> rxr: i want desktop/amd64 15:45 < rxr> yes - acknowledged - built started on my sub-notebook 15:45 < karasz> rxr: about openpower, not a chanse this year 15:45 < rxr> karasz: do you have a final time from IBM now ? 15:45 < karasz> customer posponed till end of january or feb 15:45 < mnemoc> rxr: does emacs on trunk build? i had to remove configure.in patch because autoconf failed 15:46 < rxr> oehm 15:46 < rxr> the last time I tried it it built 15:46 < rxr> build/reference-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-reference/var/adm/logs/5-emacs.log 15:46 < mnemoc> rxr: i was thinking in injecting data into .la instead of adding via gcc wrapper missing -l on x86_64 15:46 < karasz> rxr now i think is pretty final 15:47 < rxr> Dec 7 18:47 build/reference-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-reference/var/adm/logs/9-emacs.log 15:47 < mnemoc> rxr: odd 15:47 < karasz> 1. my machine a small x100 will arive at the end of January because IBM closed the orders for this year 15:47 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 15:47 < karasz> what ever this means 15:47 < karasz> customer with OpenPower wil be on hand at the same time 15:48 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, at minto's you can find my last desktop/x86_64 build if you don't want to spend unnecessary time rebuilding everything 15:49 < rxr> mnemoc: I want to build locally anyway, to be able to boot the ISO immediatly and tinker with the boot code if needed ... 15:49 < rxr> my Turion sub-notebook is faster than my athlon, so ... 15:49 < mnemoc> ok :) 15:49 < mnemoc> http://svn.sunbase.org/repos/svnutils/trunk/src/svndiff 15:51 * rxr wonders how the linux kernel behaves when run with a rootfs from a external USB or Firewire disk and the machine is put to sleep ... 15:51 < rxr> will it come back on resume? 15:51 < rxr> I fear it will not have his root anymore ... 15:55 < mnemoc> minto's is down :( 16:09 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:09 [Users #t2] 16:09 [@ChanServ] [ demian] [ kristian] [ mtr] [ SerWou__ ] [ Xenos] 16:09 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ madtux ] [ owl] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] 16:09 [ CIA-8 ] [ karasz] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr] [ valentin ] 16:09 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 16:10 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 16:10 < rxr> load of the Geode: up 2 days, 21:10, 2 users, load average: 4.73, 3.95, 3.01 16:12 < mnemoc> poor geode 16:12 < rxr> hand warm the box without fans ... 16:13 < rxr> the max is frozen cold - no wonder how much air is pushed thru the aluminium case .. 16:15 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 16:16 < madtux> re 16:16 < rxr> madtux: wb 16:17 < madtux> thx.. 16:17 < rxr> madtux: what are you working on these days ? 16:17 < madtux> rxr just a moment ago.. going crazy with clients phone calls, internet international link went down 16:18 < madtux> rxr, and in general... i work as senir sysadmin and security freak for a hosting company. 16:18 < rxr> not selfemployed anymore ? 16:18 < madtux> i am tired of been selfemployes i want to take it easy for sometime 16:18 < madtux> and stabilize some things in my life... mostly emotionally 16:19 < madtux> Also i am waiting for available opportunities at a so called company exactcode.de so that i can submit my resumee. 16:19 < karasz> :D 16:19 < madtux> hello there karasz 16:19 < karasz> hi madtux 16:21 < mnemoc> nzg: hi, vmware packaged? :) 16:21 < mnemoc> re-hi madtux 16:21 < nzg> mnemoc: not yet 16:21 < madtux> wow... nazgul is here 16:21 < madtux> :) 16:21 < nzg> hi madtux 16:26 < rxr> hi nzg 16:28 < nzg> hi rxr 16:29 * rxr rebooting the geode after 2 days, 21:29 of uptime from an external firewire disk ... 16:29 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 17:14 < mnemoc> rxr: what copyright-holders files at target/archivista have? 17:28 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:34 < rxr> well, Archivista GmbH and Rene Rebe I would say 17:34 < rxr> GPL 17:34 < rxr> why do you ask ? 17:35 < mnemoc> Create-CopyPatch 17:35 < mnemoc> currently preserves any Copyright line 17:35 < mnemoc> and renew T2's if necesary 17:36 < mnemoc> but i don't know how to handle archivista's 17:36 < rxr> don't run the patch creator over it ... 17:36 < rxr> I would not customize the creator for any target out there ... 17:36 < rxr> let's only run it over the vanilla t2 code 17:37 < rxr> in some weeks the archivista code will be somewhere at archivista.t2-powered.net ,-) 17:37 < rxr> somehow the keyboard died on my athlon's X - strange - never encountered such a thing 17:38 * rxr preparing to leave to the x-mas celebration over @ http://golem.de 17:38 < rxr> btw: stable 0-binutils does not build on my laptop due obscure reasons 17:38 < rxr> I review tomorrow I think 17:39 < mnemoc> i would prefer http{s,}://svn.t2-powered.net/archivista :) 17:39 < mnemoc> rxr: paralellism i think, run it again :p 17:40 < rxr> sure ? 17:40 < mnemoc> sure about which? 17:40 < rxr> perl ../../etc/texi2pod.pl -Dman -Dnlmconv < ./binutils.texi > nlmconv.pod 17:40 < rxr> In file included from ./targ-cpu.h:1, from ./config/obj-elf.h:42, from ./obj-format.h:1, from ./config/te-linux.h:4, from targ-env.h:1, from as.h:625, from app.c:30: 17:40 < rxr> ./config/tc-i386.h:443: error: array type has incomplete element type 17:40 < rxr> ^- binutils 17:40 < mnemoc> uhm 17:41 < rxr> or - wait 17:41 < rxr> ah - no 17:41 < rxr> wanted to write that I might have unflushed changes 17:41 < rxr> but that is a fresh 2.1 checkout 17:41 < rxr> thus no local hackup whatsover 17:41 < rxr> I restart while I shower 17:43 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:51 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:57 < CIA-8> amery * r13842 /trunk/package/java/eclipse/ (eclipse.conf eclipse.desc): * removed KAFFE flag from eclipse, it's not yet ready for that 17:58 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CF4A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:58 < MisterN> hi 18:01 < rxr> hi MisterN 18:01 < rxr> mnemoc: not a parallel issue ... 18:01 < mnemoc> wb MsN 18:01 [Users #t2] 18:01 [@ChanServ] [ demian] [ kristian] [ mtr] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 18:01 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ MisterN ] [ nzg] [ SerWou__ ] [ Xenos ] 18:01 [ CIA-8 ] [ karasz] [ mnemoc ] [ owl] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] 18:01 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 18:01 < mnemoc> rxr: gcc4 at host? 18:01 < rxr> 4.0.2 18:01 < mnemoc> that may be the cause 18:01 < rxr> yep 18:01 < rxr> mnemoc: I debug after the x-mas thing 18:02 < mnemoc> so, no desktop/amd64 fixed at 2.1 until xmas? 18:04 < rxr> nah? 18:05 < rxr> not not unitl this night or tomorrow morning 18:05 < rxr> tomorrow - morning - I suspend the laptop while I'm away - so no ssh from susan ... 18:05 < rxr> so - cu 18:05 < rxr> though - valentin are you on a terminal ? 18:07 < mnemoc> xmas.... damn.. the days pass too fast 18:07 < rxr> ouhm 18:07 < rxr> mnemoc: looks like gcc-4.0 scriptness 18:10 < rxr> hm - binutils is strange 18:10 < rxr> can we update it a bit on 2.1 ? 18:10 < mnemoc> update what? 18:11 < rxr> binutils ? 18:11 < mnemoc> uhm 18:12 < mnemoc> i wanted to froze it.... i would need to test a full reference with the updated one to know if it's really harmless 18:12 < mnemoc> so delay 2.1.1 much more 18:13 < rxr> okok 18:13 < rxr> I come up with some patch 18:13 * rxr off 18:13 < rxr> cu 18:13 < mnemoc> cu rxr ,-) 18:13 < CIA-8> amery * r13843 /branches/2.1/package/java/eclipse/ (. eclipse.conf eclipse.conf eclipse.desc eclipse.desc): * merged 13619,13731,13800,13842 from trunk: added eclipse (3.1.1) - extensible universal IDE written in java 18:36 < CIA-8> amery * r13844 /branches/2.1/scripts/Build-Target: * merged 13674 from trunk: changed Build-Target to use echo_status instead of plain echo for "Unmounting loop devices" 18:45 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-255-175.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 18:52 < valentin> re 18:52 < mnemoc> wb valentin 18:52 < valentin> hi mnemoc menomc 19:00 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.37] has joined #t2 19:00 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.2] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:00 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 19:01 < ojh> Question: (Yes this is off topic) But does anyone know of a good C library for dealing with the overy complex mess that is the Freedesktop menu system? Trying to Google for ".desktop" is quite pointless. 19:02 < ojh> I have read the spec on FD.O and it seems to be a super complex solution to a simple problem. :-/ 19:03 < mnemoc> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fdesktop_2dfile_2dutils ? or you need a library? 19:04 < ojh> mnemoc: THX, I'll check that out. A lib would be nice but I bay be able to just pull the code i need. 19:05 < mnemoc> yes 19:07 < ojh> mnemoc: Still, I am amaized by the complexity of the solution that was come up for such a simple problem. All UNIXes have symlinks - why all this XML complexity to define menus?!?!? 19:08 < mnemoc> ojh: http://gofun.berlios.de/tipiwiki/index.php 19:08 < mnemoc> ojh: because XML is cool 19:09 < _Ragnar_> :p 19:09 < ojh> mnemoc: Buzzwords . . . . figures . . . :-P 19:09 < _Ragnar_> sounds like windows programmers wrote this 19:09 < mnemoc> :) 19:11 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: but looks usefull 19:11 < mnemoc> useful? 19:11 < _Ragnar_> useful 19:12 < mnemoc> thanks :) 19:12 < ojh> I have most of te core components of my Zirconium Desktop Environment up and running. The full description (if I have not already gave the link here) is at http://zirconium.xisystems.net/ 19:12 < mnemoc> i don't like it 19:13 * mnemoc happy with his xfce 19:14 < ojh> mnemoc: As much as I agree you about the FDO.O menu format it is - as close to as can be - standard. :-P 19:15 < mnemoc> committies tend to produce bloat 19:16 < ojh> mnemoc: Or copy Windoze/CDE/Macintosh . . . . 19:16 < mnemoc> :p 19:16 < CIA-8> amery * r13845 /branches/2.1/scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch: * merged 11602,11820,12787 from trunk: improved scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch to detect (and update) versioned download locations and only patch [V] and [D] 19:16 < Xenos> :) 19:17 * Xenos found a nice editor.. 19:17 < Xenos> hm, mnemoc 19:17 < mnemoc> editor of what? 19:17 < Xenos> for everything :) 19:17 < mnemoc> http://jodrell.net/projects/scribble :) 19:17 < Xenos> i mean coding 19:17 < Xenos> :) 19:17 < Xenos> hmm 19:18 < Xenos> lol 19:18 < Xenos> ) 19:18 < mnemoc> don't you like scribble? :) 19:19 < Xenos> mnemoc :) 19:19 < mnemoc> my wife love it :p 19:19 < Xenos> i see 19:19 < Xenos> but 19:19 < Xenos> i'm about html/xml/php/xslt/c++ 19:19 < mnemoc> :) 19:19 < Xenos> :) 19:19 < mnemoc> http://scribes.sourceforge.net/index.html is nice too 19:19 < mnemoc> but i use pida/gvim anyway 19:20 < Xenos> found a nice editor written in java 19:20 < Xenos> i think 19:20 < Xenos> i'll use it 19:20 < Xenos> jext 19:20 < mnemoc> yuckva 19:20 < Xenos> 5.0 19:20 < Xenos> yuckva? 19:20 < mnemoc> yuck-va 19:21 < Xenos> what does "yuckva" mean? 19:21 < Xenos> what does "yuck-va" mean? 19:21 < Xenos> :) 19:21 < mnemoc> yuck, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuck 19:22 < Xenos> :) 19:22 < Xenos> www.jext.org 19:22 < mnemoc> Xenos: junkie is another funny word :p 19:22 < Xenos> i know :) 19:32 < demian> bye 19:33 * demian never redacted a document so long.. 159 pages.. 19:41 < mnemoc> thesis? 20:01 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 20:01 < misl> hi folks :) 20:02 < Xenos> hello, misl 20:18 < mnemoc> minto! :) 20:26 < karasz> hi minto 20:27 < misl> hi Xenos, Master Mnemoc and Karasz 20:27 < Xenos> :) 20:28 < misl> anything exciting occured recently? 20:30 < mnemoc> you missed me ranting against noisy powered down :) 20:35 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.242.221] has joined #t2 20:37 < misl> dawn, did I miss that :) Could you please repeat the ranting? 20:38 < misl> mnemoc: what did you want to use noisy for? 20:38 < misl> Stupid question. Building ofcourse :) 20:45 < mnemoc> misl: :p 20:45 < mnemoc> misl: i wanted to test emacs 20:45 < mnemoc> misl: i had to remove the patch for configure.in (keeping configure) because autoconf failed 20:46 < misl> you need a dual opteron with 4Gb and 1.2 TB to just test emacs? 20:46 < misl> this time it is my turn to rant 20:46 < misl> :) 20:50 < mnemoc> :p 21:14 < MisterN> culater 21:14 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CF4A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Wieso gibt es keine guten Quitmessages? 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Thanks! 22:39 -!- SerWou [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 22:41 -!- _Ragnar_ [i=loki@216.250.77.230] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:41 -!- SerWou__ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:43 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-255-175.eugn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:43 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:43 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AFA3AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:44 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AFA3AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 22:50 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has joined #t2 22:50 < madtux> re 22:55 < mnemoc> wb madtux 22:56 < madtux> thx 23:05 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:30 < Xenos> http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1105-desktop.png :) 23:33 < mnemoc> Xenos: bmp packaged? 23:33 < Xenos> no :/ 23:34 < Xenos> i haven't t2-folder 23:34 < Xenos> or i don't know.. 23:35 < mnemoc> i haven't t2-folder <--- please re-phrase 23:35 < Xenos> ) 23:35 < Xenos> sorry 23:35 < Xenos> where can i find that script? 23:35 < mnemoc> what script? 23:35 < Xenos> newpackage.sh or similiar 23:35 < mnemoc> newpackage.sh is at misc/archive 23:35 < Xenos> in t2-folder/misc, yep? 23:35 < Xenos> argh 23:36 < Xenos> but 23:36 < mnemoc> but the best way to create a new package is copying another 23:36 < Xenos> where is misc/archive is? 23:36 < Xenos> argh :( 23:36 < Xenos> where is misc/archive? 23:36 < mnemoc> on your working copy of t2 23:36 < Xenos> where? :) 23:36 < Xenos> /usr ? 23:37 < mnemoc> svn co :) 23:37 < Xenos> :( 23:39 < karasz> mnemoc: in no way do i want to teach you but please lower a bit the standard of your explanations 23:39 * karasz hides 23:39 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 23:39 * karasz unhides 23:40 < karasz> Xenos: you need to get a workin' copy of the T2 branch you are using 23:40 < Xenos> i have it 23:40 < mnemoc> ^_^ 23:40 < karasz> this means the build scripts and all the package descriptions available in that branch 23:40 < nzg> hm, vmware-bridged networking and ndiswrapper are a bad combination 23:40 < karasz> then you can find the scripts 23:41 < karasz> also remember that the scripts are allways launched as ./scripts/whatever --switch 23:41 < karasz> not ./whatever --switch 23:41 < Xenos> yeah.. but 23:42 < karasz> mnemoc: ack, sorry 23:42 < karasz> but what Xenos ? 23:42 < Xenos> i'll try, whe i'll return from the university 23:42 < karasz> that is not a `but`... 23:42 < Xenos> & now i must go to bed.. 23:43 < karasz> mnemoc: you are entitled to a O_O to me ;) 23:43 < mnemoc> :) 23:43 < Xenos> hmm.. 23:43 < Xenos> 'night all, guys 23:43 < karasz> cu Xenos 23:44 * Xenos is away: dropped to bed.. 23:45 < karasz> i guess that we won't see bmpx soon from Xenos ;( 23:46 < mnemoc> coward 23:46 < mnemoc> packaging on t2 is _easy_ 23:47 < karasz> mnemoc: there is no need to be that harsh 23:47 < mnemoc> :) 23:47 < karasz> new things may be scarry sometimes 23:47 < karasz> i know it 23:47 < karasz> i am still scared... 23:48 < karasz> and you know what scares me the most about T2? 23:48 < mnemoc> tell me :) 23:48 * madtux ready to listen to this 23:49 < madtux> you know whats scary? loading all modules available on the install disk, including the one that u know works on ur box, and stone still does not find ur hard disk 23:50 < karasz> right now i kinda manage some 50 servers to which i have only ssh connection 23:50 < mnemoc> madtux: fdisk on command line? 23:51 < mnemoc> karasz: i'm 6h away from my servers :p 23:51 < karasz> good for you 23:51 < karasz> some of mine are closer some at abt 1000km\ 23:51 < mnemoc> but twice i have had to run to fix them in situ :( 23:51 < karasz> but that's not the problem 23:52 < karasz> i really think that we should provide an binary form update to custom made targets 23:52 < mnemoc> karasz: on my 'free time' i'm coding sam and sde helpers 23:52 < mnemoc> sam as a mix of stone and apt 23:52 < karasz> i am not kean on compile ssh or kernel on remote systems hopping that they would boot after that 23:52 < karasz> yuuuhhhhiiii 23:53 < mnemoc> and sde as a PATH-friendly wrapper to ./scripts/ misc/archive toys 23:53 < karasz> that's what i wanted to hear 23:53 < karasz> i dunno about you guys but i love apt and it's kind 23:53 < mnemoc> karasz: but you know how big our comunity is, and we must priorize 23:53 < karasz> i fully understand that 23:54 < mnemoc> karasz: but sam is under SDE concept, distribution maintainer release updates for machines installed with his distribution. not T2 project 23:54 < karasz> on the other hand i guess that being able to launch t2-powered mantained by their vreator is essential 23:55 < karasz> right now i can not make a difference between SDE and T2 23:55 < karasz> maybe you wanna enlighten me? 23:55 < mnemoc> T2 as an SDE 23:55 < mnemoc> T2 is not a distribution, so T2 doesn't have binary packages 23:55 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:55 < karasz> that is what i am talking about too 23:55 < karasz> i was refering to distros made with T2 23:56 < karasz> not T2 as per se 23:56 < mnemoc> karasz maintain a distribution with multiple builds of his target, and karasz provide binary packages 23:56 < karasz> yup 23:56 < karasz> exactly 23:56 < mnemoc> on Config you tell 'sam' (before it gets build) where should it get the updates, etc... 23:57 < karasz> but karasz needs a tool for that because he is too dumb to make it otherwise 23:57 < mnemoc> if sam package is enabled 23:57 < mnemoc> sure 23:57 < mnemoc> that's why i'm trying to code sam 23:57 < mnemoc> SDE Administration Manager 23:57 < karasz> good 23:58 < mnemoc> sam install foo 23:58 < karasz> now why did you choose apt? 23:58 < mnemoc> sam build foo 23:58 < mnemoc> sam search foo 23:58 < mnemoc> sam config foo 23:58 < karasz> there are pros and cons... 23:58 < mnemoc> i'll not use apt 23:59 < karasz> and how do you intend to manage version hayewire? 23:59 < mnemoc> after a first beta see the sun, the feedback will make me rewrite it a couple of times --- Log closed Sat Dec 10 00:00:06 2005