T2 IRC Log: 2005-12-09

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--- Log opened Fri Dec 09 00:00:41 2005
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00:11 < tschmidt> remoin
00:13 -!- tschmidt is now known as nzg
00:13 < Xenos> 'night all
00:13 * Xenos is away: dropped to bed..
00:13 < nzg> n8 Xenos
00:15 * nzg just installed the t2-2.1.0 desktop build for p4
00:29 < karasz> hello mnemoc
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00:41 < karasz> mnemoc: i have a minimal p4 iso from wich i want to install a system with full xfce
00:41 < karasz> what should i Emerge?
00:44 < karasz> hmmm no mnemoc here :(
00:44 < karasz> nevermind i will hack around and find out
00:44 < karasz> that's why opensource is sooo powerfull :D
00:44 < karasz> cu guys and owlita
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01:37 < kristian> morning
01:37 < nzg> moin kristian
01:47 < mnemoc> rehi
01:47 < mnemoc> nzg: finally t2 powered :)
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01:48 < nzg> yes
01:50 < nzg> although i would prefer it, if the desktop target includes kernel-headers etc
01:52 < mnemoc> kernel headers are at /usr/include
01:53 < nzg> at least vmware seeks them under modules/'uname'/build
01:53 < mnemoc> you would need to pacakge vmware, to have kernel source available
01:54 < mnemoc> t2 doesn't package linux sources
01:54 < nzg> hm.
01:55 < mnemoc> kernel space part of packages are built inside kernel package
01:55 < mnemoc> user space part are built on the package
01:56 < mnemoc> look for postlinux.conf files
01:56 < nzg> ah, thx
01:56 < mnemoc> a vmware package would be very very welcomed :)
01:57 < nzg> yes, indeed, i will see what i can do
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05:41 * Xenos is back (gone 05:27:50)
06:10 * kristian too
06:10 < Xenos> :)
06:10 < Xenos> hello, kristian
06:10 < kristian> hi Xenos
06:11 < kristian> does t2 have vmware packages?
06:11 < kristian> ah as i read on i c
06:11 < Xenos> erm.. no
06:11 < Xenos> i think
06:11 < Xenos> because it's a shareware program
06:12 < kristian> reading the backlog i would say, not jet
06:12 < Xenos> gm..
06:12 < Xenos> kristian: what do u think about it? -> http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1099-desktop.png
06:13 < kristian> but i just read about this new prallels thing - which should be worth a try when beeing in x86 environment again
06:13 < kristian> let me look
06:14 < kristian> well nice backgrount - actually i like your font
06:14 < kristian> you are in moscow?
06:14 < Xenos> ;)
06:14 < Xenos> yeah
06:15 < kristian> i've been there for 4 days 2 months ago
06:15 < kristian> like that town
06:15 < Xenos> gi :)
06:16 < kristian> do you know a club named the aehm ... something with blah dog
06:16 < Xenos> hmm.. no..
06:16 < kristian> lazy dog - or so
06:17 < kristian> hmm anyway - nice plave to live - and strange
06:17 < Xenos> :)
06:22 < kristian> ha! it was the "hungry dog"
06:23 < mnemoc> you could package vmware, setting [L] properly and doing possibly necessary hackery on [D]
06:23 < kristian> had a vodka with an extremly nice russian girl there. :)
06:23 < mnemoc> look at '-' in front of download location on sun's java
06:24 < mnemoc> hi maddin
06:24 < kristian> mnemoc have alook at parallels - beeing at the emulator topic
06:25 < mnemoc> :)
06:26 < mnemoc> like that town <--- moscow a town?
06:28 < kristian> mnemoc what would you call it?
06:28 < mnemoc> city :)
06:29 < mnemoc> what is a city for you?
06:30 < kristian> mnemoc i see. ;) - aehm then i should say shanghai here ;)
06:31 < kristian> mnemoc you know in germany there is just - town or village - stadt oder dorf
06:31 < mnemoc> oh
06:31 < kristian> while city == town
06:32 < Xenos> :kristian : had a vodka with an extremly nice russian girl there. :) <- :)
06:32 < mnemoc> to me a town has a couple of hundred people :)
06:32 < mnemoc> not moscow case :p
06:32 < Xenos> mnemoc: hello :)
06:32 < mnemoc> hi Xenos
06:33 < Xenos> argh
06:33 < mnemoc> how much people live at moscow? 12? 15 millions?
06:33 < Xenos> about of 11
06:33 < mnemoc> Xenos: do you prefer 'vixen'?
06:33 < Xenos> :>>>
06:33 < mnemoc> :)
06:33 < Xenos> nope, i think
06:33 < Xenos> but!
06:34 * Xenos is waiting for 5 progs
06:34 < Xenos> audacity 1.3.0
06:34 < Xenos> amule 2.1.0
06:34 < mnemoc> send the patches
06:34 < Xenos> gimp 2.2.10
06:34 < Xenos> proftpd 1.3.0
06:34 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/
06:34 < Xenos> mnemoc: they are not released
06:34 < Xenos> :)
06:35 < Xenos> but coming soon
06:40 < Xenos> gg
06:40 < Xenos> VX is coming..
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06:40 < Xenos> :)
06:40 < Xenos> my bot
06:40 < Xenos> .help
06:41 < Xenos> .. :/
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06:42 < Xenos> .help
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06:50 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep....gn8
06:52 < Xenos> 'night, mnemoc
07:06 < kristian> sleep well mnemoc
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07:36 < rxr> re
07:52 < CIA-8> rene * r13838 /trunk/package/base/module-init-tools/module-init-tools.desc: * updated module-init-tools (3.2.1 -> 3.2.2)
07:53 < Xenos> hello, rxr
07:54 < rxr> moin Xenos
07:54 < Xenos> moin.. :>
07:54 * Xenos Date/Time is now [ Fri Dec 9 09:54:54 ]
07:55 < Xenos> rxr: what about of your time?
07:55 < Xenos> -3 ?
07:55 < Xenos> or not..
07:57 < mipe> Xenos: where do you live? you are +1 from my time
07:58 < CIA-8> rene * r13839 /trunk/package/xorg/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
07:58 < CIA-8> * more overlooked xorg X11R7 RC3 updates:
07:58 < CIA-8> * updated font-adobe-utopia (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2)
07:58 < CIA-8> * updated font-bh (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2)
07:58 < CIA-8> * updated font-adobe (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2)
07:58 < CIA-8> * updated font-bh-lucidatypewriter (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2)
07:58 < CIA-8> * updated font-bitstream (0.99.0 -> 0.99.1)
07:58 < Xenos> emm.. mipe, look at this: http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1099-desktop.png
07:58 < Xenos> :)
07:59 < Xenos> the weather in menu :)
08:00 < mipe> ah, moscow
08:00 < mipe> hmm
08:01 * rxr hopes Xenos os pushing T2 over there to some more people ,-)
08:01 < Xenos> :)
08:01 < Xenos> yep
08:01 < mipe> i thought Moscow is a lot more ahead in hours that just by one
08:01 < Xenos> :)
08:01 < mipe> from my time
08:05 < mipe> so rxr, hows your octane running?
08:18 < mipe> rxr: have you compiled kdemultimedia for x64 in 2.1 branch?
08:18 < mipe> rxr: i get strange vorbis releated errors...
08:40 < rxr> mipe: I have not build 2.1 fully on x86-64 recently
08:41 < rxr> Octane instable - but new CPU and board ordered via ebay for only a few EUR
08:41 < rxr> let's see if that is more stable
09:05 < valentin> moin
09:06 < rxr> moin valentin!
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09:25 < CIA-8> rene * r13840 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/mail-config.sh: * fixed archivista/mail-config.sh to really execute itself
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09:58 < CIA-8> rene * r13841 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (15 files):
09:58 < CIA-8> * more verbose status messages and other tiny polishing along the
09:58 < CIA-8> lines for the archivista setup scripts
10:00 < rxr> valentin: how are you ?
10:03 < rxr> valentin: Berliner Abgeordnete verlangen Zeitplan f?r Linux-Migration
10:03 < rxr> valentin: maybe we should apply for that to get money++ and t2 into such houses ,-)
10:06 < valentin> if you realy want to hack ooo
10:07 < rxr> nope - only getting money++ delivering t2 sytems for them ...
10:07 < rxr> valentin: Niagara I Out the Door, Time for Niagara II
10:07 < rxr> valentin: Niagara (the UltraSPARC T1), .. - I hope they do not call the Niagara II T2 ...
10:07 < rxr> http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=12909
10:07 < valentin> oh
10:08 < rxr> valentin: can we register a trademark for t2 ?
10:08 < rxr> maybe we should inject some t1 keywords into our webpage so people googling for sun's cpu get to the t2 page ,-)
10:09 < valentin> as long as we can filter out their lawyers :)
10:09 < valentin> bbl
10:12 < rxr> so - some private tinkery till the afternoon where the next archivista bug analyzing is scheduled ...
10:14 * rxr thinks I'll try to netinstall some t2 bits on my loud dual-core g5 ...
10:15 < rxr> still spinning with 100% fans ...
10:16 < rxr> valentin: did I mention the dual-core has 1.5GB RAM ,-)
10:59 < rxr> so - rsync syncing the very old rs6k router filesytem onto a shiny new reiserfs partition on the Mac ,-)
10:59 < rxr> NFS root mounted of course
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11:24 < rxr> 17430 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 8.7 0.0 1:44.23 nfsd
11:24 < rxr> 17432 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 8.7 0.0 0:57.84 nfsd
11:24 < rxr> 17429 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 8.1 0.0 0:43.54 nfsd
11:24 < rxr> 17431 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 8.1 0.0 2:11.38 nfsd
11:24 < rxr> 17426 root 15 0 0 0 0 D 7.4 0.0 1:43.51 nfsd
11:24 < rxr> 17425 root 15 0 0 0 0 D 7.1 0.0 1:22.27 nfsd
11:24 < rxr> 17428 root 15 0 0 0 0 D 7.1 0.0 1:02.97 nfsd
11:24 < rxr> 17427 root 15 0 0 0 0 D 6.1 0.0 0:40.08 nfsd
11:24 < rxr> ,-)
11:25 < rxr> load average: 4.25, 1.57, 0.61
11:25 < rxr> ...
11:25 < rxr> poor 360Mhz is pushed to death my the 64bit mosnters NFS access patterns ,-)
11:32 < Xenos> :))
11:37 < rxr> 360Mhz IBM PowerPC ...
11:38 < rxr> ok - /me preparing lunch - the G5 with 100% fanout is a bit noisy ...
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13:01 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
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13:22 < karasz> moin all
13:22 < karasz> anyone has the link to ZDE because i can not find it....
13:23 < Xenos> karasz: r u about zend?
13:23 < karasz> nope
13:23 < Xenos> :)
13:23 < karasz> zirconium desktop enviroment or such
13:24 < Xenos> nice :)
13:24 < karasz> i guess that valentin said something abiut it the other day...
13:24 < karasz> but i can't find it in logs :(
13:29 < karasz> :)
13:30 < karasz> got it
13:30 < karasz> it was ojh not valentin
13:31 < karasz> http://zirconium.xisystems.net/
13:31 < karasz> ^^ if anyone is interested
13:31 < karasz> away for 30 mins
13:33 < karasz> hmmmm.... ChanServ? here on T2?
13:34 < rxr> re
13:34 < Xenos> :)
13:34 < Xenos> hello, rxr
13:34 < nzg> moin rxr
13:38 < owl> moin
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13:53 < rxr> rehi
13:53 < rxr> so, now the ppc64 box is has a userspace that boots from HD ...
13:53 < rxr> processor : 0
13:53 < rxr> cpu : PPC970MP, altivec supported
13:53 < rxr> clock : 2000.000000MHz
13:53 < rxr> revision : 1.0 (pvr 0044 0100)
13:53 < rxr> processor : 1
13:53 < rxr> cpu : PPC970MP, altivec supported
13:53 < rxr> clock : 2000.000000MHz
13:53 < rxr> revision : 1.0 (pvr 0044 0100)
13:53 < rxr> timebase : 33333333
13:53 < rxr> machine : PowerMac11,2
13:53 < rxr> motherboard : PowerMac11,2 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh
13:53 < rxr> detected as : 414 (Unknown Shasta-based)
13:53 < rxr> pmac flags : 00000000
13:53 < rxr> L2 cache : 1024K unified
13:53 < rxr> pmac-generation : NewWorld
13:56 < rxr> Mem: 1507836
13:56 < rxr> + two giga ethernet ports ...
13:57 < Xenos> :)
13:57 < rxr> but loaud it still is ...
14:00 < rxr> powerpc64 Build-Target lunched
14:03 < karasz> hi all
14:03 < karasz> hello rxr
14:03 < rxr> hi karasz
14:04 < karasz> got the patches from benh?
14:04 < karasz> :D
14:04 < rxr> the first set, set
14:04 < rxr> yes even
14:04 < rxr> the fans are not yst controlled and thus spinning with high noise at 100%
14:04 < rxr> but it boots and I can build
14:08 * rxr now wears Sony studio monitor headphones against the fan noise ...
14:09 < demian> hi
14:09 < demian> some guys are working to do sound-removal machines
14:11 < rxr> I would be happy with fan control
14:11 < demian> adjusting these machines to certain frecuency, they kombat with another frecuency the noise, causing a sound frecuency human can't listen
14:11 < rxr> with proper fan control the dual core mac does not give any noise away
14:11 < rxr> demian: those exist long time
14:11 < rxr> usually named anti-noise or so
14:11 < rxr> just sampling the input and outputing the inverted signal to compensate the noise
14:12 < demian> rxr: somedays ago i was entered about that in a news paper..
14:12 < rxr> at least basically
14:12 < rxr> demian: hm - maybe it was s.th. else then
14:12 < rxr> but this anti-noise, removal by accumulating the inverse exist long time
14:13 < demian> well, the topic of the news talked about how companies located in noisy cities could let their employees work without distraction.
14:14 < demian> even removing the noise from operational machines that makes ppl working with them use headphones
14:18 < rxr> # time tar xf ../download/mirror/g/glibc-20051128.tar.bz2
14:18 < rxr> real 0m10.164s
14:18 < rxr> user 0m7.552s
14:18 < rxr> sys 0m4.804s
14:20 < karasz> rxr G5 uses OpenFirmware too?
14:20 < rxr> of course
14:20 < rxr> but a different one - of course
14:20 < karasz> so the boot target is ok now...
14:20 < karasz> ohum
14:20 < rxr> karasz: nope not yet
14:20 < karasz> i got it, i was thinking about OpenPower...
14:20 < rxr> so far I only manually tinkered the long running IBM RS6000 B50 filesystem onto the box remotely
14:21 < rxr> now I build a shiny new 64bit target and at that end I'll see what boot code we need for the two boxes
14:21 < karasz> ack
14:22 * demian taking a breakfast with pizza, a new experience
14:23 < rxr> ouhm - the new ppc64 box extracts the glibc tarball in the seconds above - the old athlon needs way longer .... !!!!
14:25 < rxr> ah - ok - it is not too much slower
14:25 < rxr> it was just badly loaded before ...
14:25 < rxr> real 0m20.760s
14:25 < rxr> user 0m12.593s
14:25 < rxr> sys 0m2.124s
14:29 < mnemoc> moin!
14:30 < rxr> moin mnemoc !!!
14:30 < demian> gd morning mnemoc
14:30 < mnemoc> thx demian, rxr :)
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14:30 < rxr> valentin: hostname power in my subnet ... in the case you need a ppc64 box ...
14:31 < mnemoc> rxr: first day without pain due to bike :p
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14:31 < madtux> hola.
14:31 < mnemoc> wb madtux!
14:31 < rxr> mnemoc: but still cycling ?
14:31 < madtux> thx
14:31 < rxr> hallo miguel ,-)
14:31 < mnemoc> rxr: sure, daily since dec 1
14:31 < rxr> so you get trained now ,-)
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14:32 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, i took 'just' 25m today
14:32 < madtux> hallo mein freund :), Wie gehts?
14:32 < rxr> mnemoc: first day with userspace on the HD of the power box ,-)
14:32 < mnemoc> rxr: :D
14:32 < rxr> madtux: gut danke - und selbst?
14:32 < madtux> gut auch, danke.
14:33 < madtux> demian, i have an Ultra Sparc 5 with sony 17" monitor for sale, interested?
14:33 < demian> hi madtux
14:33 < rxr> I have a 20" 13W3 Sun monitor to give away for free ...
14:33 < rxr> anyone?
14:33 < demian> how much ?
14:34 < madtux> rxr, whats the trick?
14:34 < rxr> free ,-)
14:34 < madtux> demian, 150k
14:34 < rxr> madtux: nothing - just wanna get rid of eye hurting and energy wasting non-LCD stuff ...
14:34 < demian> i think rxr offer sounds more attractive
14:34 < madtux> rxr, this could be handy for mnemoc.
14:34 < rxr> demian: shipping is not free ,-)
14:35 < rxr> madtux: mnemoc gets more useful stuff ,-)
14:35 < madtux> demian, he is offereing the monitor.. i am offerinf a box
14:35 < mnemoc> *G*
14:35 < madtux> rxr, good.
14:35 < demian> i am not interested. but i will notice my coworkers.
14:35 < rxr> stuff one can ship over the atlanting wihout tons EUR ...
14:35 < rxr> noone wants this CRT ...
14:36 < rxr> on ebay for over 10 days now without one EUR ...
14:36 < madtux> rxr, its more than that... mnemoc really lives as close to the end of the world as someone could ever be
14:36 < demian> anyways i would like one, so ill try to convice my boss
14:36 < madtux> demian, aight.
14:36 < madtux> rxr, show me a pic :)
14:37 < madtux> rxr, just like u i am trying to get rid of my crt stuff
14:37 < rxr> demian: we need a sparc boss - there are those T1 out now moving bits like crazzy - really boss, just sign here ,-)
14:37 < rxr> and we are way more productive tomorrow - promisse ...
14:38 < madtux> :)
14:39 < rxr> 14:39:09 up 1:00, 4 users, load average: 1.77, 2.05, 1.60
14:40 < mnemoc> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=chile&ll=-34.177583,-70.727406&spn=0.056259,0.162100&t=h&hl=en <--- this is not the end of the world.... just 70.7 latitude south
14:41 < rxr> ok - bets taken: will 1-glibc on trunk4powerpc64 crunch thru?
14:41 < rxr> and how long will the box be up until this highly experimental kernel show an issue ...
14:43 < demian> in which city of brasil u live ?
14:43 < demian> @ mnemoc
14:43 < madtux> demian, he is in chile
14:43 < mnemoc> interesting sign changes on maps.google.... i would live at 'south california' on the north
14:44 < mnemoc> or afganistan if i change the other sign
14:44 < demian> wasn't it brasil?
14:44 < madtux> no.
14:44 < mnemoc> south carolina, sorry
14:44 < mnemoc> demian: no, i have never hear portugues in my entire life :p
14:45 * rxr wonders if it is healty for the box to bootstrap t2 while the fan control is not yet there ...
14:45 < demian> i though there was a guy visitng #rock from brasil some time ago.. i though it was u.
14:45 < mnemoc> rxr: emergency mode is safe
14:46 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - over @ sun and sgi - but this is apple /crap/ ;-)
14:46 < madtux> demian, that was a frind of mine from florianopolis.. his name was javito
14:46 < mnemoc> rxr: but you could build natively :)
14:46 < rxr> I mean the os suX so much ... who knows what they did to the hardware ,-)
14:46 < mnemoc> hehe
14:47 < demian> well, going to work. have fun.
14:47 < madtux> demian, u too.
14:47 < rxr> annoying anough that they rely on the os to control the fans - instead of a "no singal for 2 minutes -> emergeny mode" they cold have computed the fans speed from the temperature sensors in hardware as well ...
14:47 < rxr> as they did in older boxes ...
14:47 < rxr> cu demian
14:47 * rxr tea
14:48 < rxr> glibc still building: up 1:09, 4 users, load average: 2.79, 2.52, 2.02
14:48 < mnemoc> rxr: news about morfoh?
14:50 < madtux> yeah have u gone to his place yet rxr?
14:53 < rxr> mnemoc: no
14:53 < rxr> mnemoc: no
14:54 < rxr> madtux: no even
14:54 < rxr> cool - glibc still building ...
14:56 < rxr> well - my own Geode LX box arrived today
14:57 < rxr> this means I'll suspend the RS6k as rooter soon
14:57 < rxr> using the Geode LX with external IEEE1394 disk as router and storage ...
14:58 < mnemoc> rxr: :D
15:00 < rxr> I could send the rs6k to you ...
15:00 < rxr> it has 786 MB RAM - but only one CPU with 360Mhz ...
15:00 < mnemoc> :D
15:01 < rxr> 2HE 19" server ... with 2 SCSI bays ...
15:01 < mnemoc> isn't shipping too expensive?
15:01 < rxr> I fear so
15:02 < rxr> yuche!
15:02 < rxr> glibc finished
15:02 < rxr> == 14:38:01 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [20051128 2.2.0-alpha].
15:02 < mnemoc> yuche? that's new to me
15:02 < rxr> == 12/09/05 14:56:44 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc.
15:02 < rxr> now that is a nice buildtime
15:03 < rxr> powerpc64-G5-desktop# chroot . lib64/libc.so.6
15:03 < rxr> GNU C Library development release version 2.3.90
15:04 < rxr> good good so far
15:04 < demian> a question.. how can i avoid xorg console blanking? in a vconsole one could use setterm for that.
15:04 < rxr> xset
15:04 < rxr> -dpms force off
15:04 < rxr> or so ....
15:04 < rxr> or -ss (screen saver)
15:04 < demian> xset s off
15:05 * rxr making three crossses when the office is silent with a Geode router and a G5 with fan-control, next week
15:05 < demian> thnx
15:06 < mnemoc> rxr: :D
15:08 < demian> is there a diff viewer, like less but sintaxis for diff ?
15:09 < rxr> sure
15:09 < rxr> kompare
15:09 < rxr> `- kde of course
15:09 < demian> no kde.
15:09 < rxr> less cool stuff like xdiff or so ...
15:09 < demian> xdiff, ok.
15:09 < rxr> and I fear the is some segfaulting gnome equivalent that causes 100% system load while scrolling as well
15:11 < demian> foudn diffstat. not what i was looking for but it's cool.
15:12 < rxr> demian: yep - even apple ships it in the default install
15:12 < rxr> and we use it for the commit mails since ages ,-)
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15:15 < rxr> valentin: http://www.golem.de/events/0512/2090.html
15:15 < rxr> valentin: GNU Hurd - Das UNIX-Prinzip jenseits alter Fesseln
15:15 < rxr> valentin: we should attend there - Berlin - Mitte ...
15:17 < rxr> valentin: another note: I called you ~ an hour ago, I'll be on the http://golem.de x-mas party this evening - but we should do some planings when what os x driver bit will coded and ready ...
15:23 < demian> Meld is cool.
15:23 < demian> but i was looking for one for console.. still havent found such one.
15:24 < rxr> demian: do you use t2 already? or still on foreign systems ?
15:25 < rxr> demian: meld is like kompare
15:25 < rxr> demian: vi has a diff mode ...
15:25 < rxr> vimdiff
15:25 < demian> foreign.. i am configuring some server @ the company so i am busy to try it atm.
15:25 < mnemoc> rxr: is rezound motif or gtk or something else?
15:25 < rxr> mnemoc: rezound is fox
15:25 < rxr> so - something else ,-)
15:26 < mnemoc> yuck
15:26 < rxr> yuck ?
15:26 < rxr> fox is not as evil as gtk ,-)
15:26 < rxr> at least C++ ... ,-)
15:26 < demian> rxr: even vim has sintax for diff, yes. but i was lokking for sth not for edit but to page the diff output.. umm mom.
15:26 < mnemoc> i have to have gtk, and i don't want to install anything else
15:27 < mnemoc> rxr: is gsmp usable? :)
15:27 < rxr> demian: I bet one can convince vim to just display the diff in the way vimdiff allows editing
15:27 < rxr> mnemoc: not on recent systems
15:27 < mnemoc> :(
15:27 < demian> rxr: i am looking for that excatly..
15:27 < rxr> with glibc 2.2 and/or gcc 3.3 it oncovers our extreme use of threading and pushing C++ to an undefined edge ...
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15:28 < rxr> mnemoc: we are working on a rewrite - named gsmp-ng - some basic tech is there and rocking
15:28 < rxr> however as you can imagine T2 and collecting money tasks eats most of /my / our time ...
15:28 < rxr> but rezound and audacity are usable ...
15:28 < rxr> audactiy is gtk IIRC
15:29 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you need / wanna do ?
15:29 < rxr> demian: btw. I do not know how to convice vim - /me is only a basic vi user ...
15:30 < demian> rxr: there is vim -R.. but it is not a pages/filter
15:30 * rxr wonders if throwing a solar panel out of the window would be enough for the geode ...
15:31 < mnemoc> rxr: save audio from a mic, cut unneeded parts, and save it
15:31 < rxr> mnemoc: mic ?
15:31 < mnemoc> microfone
15:31 < rxr> yeah - sure
15:31 < rxr> mnemoc: what new things are you gonna explore ?
15:32 < mnemoc> rxr: nothing... my wife needs to do stuff for phonetics class
15:32 < mnemoc> audactiy is wx afaik
15:33 < mnemoc> and marlin doesn't build on 2.1
15:33 < rxr> rezound and audacity are boot good for that
15:34 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. classic gsmp would be a big overkill for that anyway - gsmp-0.0 was designed as multi tracker to record studio or live music sessions with omre than 2 audio tracks
15:34 < rxr> like 8, 10 or 16 at a time
15:35 < rxr> we even produced a CD with it ...
15:35 < rxr> sounds quite nice ...
15:35 < rxr> recording 8 channels took 6% CPU load on a 600Mhz Athlon IIRC
15:35 < rxr> it was quite state of the art for it's time
15:36 < rxr> even allowed real-time FS preheshal and such - of course recording while playing existing tracks back and such
15:36 < mnemoc> :D
15:36 < rxr> s/FS/FX/
15:36 < mnemoc> yes ,-)
15:37 < demian> rxr: svn diff ... | vim -R -
15:37 < demian> not a pager but it's ok for me now..
15:38 < rxr> demian: it is not the diff mode I meant
15:38 < rxr> vimdiff has the changs on a left and right side ...
15:39 < mnemoc> vimdiff needs svn supprot :p
15:39 < rxr> mnemoc: vim should become an OS as well ?
15:39 * rxr wonders how healty it is with the mp3 louder than the mac fan ...
15:40 < demian> :D
15:40 < mnemoc> rxr: what about emacs ,-)
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15:40 < rxr> mnemoc: emacs is why I said OS ,-)
15:40 < rxr> mnemoc: zile is a lovely tiny emacs ,-)
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15:41 < rxr> mnemoc: what is your plan for 2.1.1 ?
15:42 < rxr> I would like to have a 2.1 relesae the day we have dull dual-core Mac support, so we can go into PR mode with that news ...
15:42 < rxr> when nothing goes wrong that could be next week ,-)
15:42 < rxr> of course I'll have a ppc and ppc64 iso handy at that time
15:42 < rxr> optimally also supporting karasz open power boxes ...
15:43 < rxr> however I fear the new box arrivs to late over @karasz to test the open power support ...
15:43 < rxr> but beeing in the news with "first dist for dual-core Powermac" is good enough
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15:44 < mnemoc> wb madtux :)
15:44 < mnemoc> rxr: i want desktop/amd64
15:45 < rxr> yes - acknowledged - built started on my sub-notebook
15:45 < karasz> rxr: about openpower, not a chanse this year
15:45 < rxr> karasz: do you have a final time from IBM now ?
15:45 < karasz> customer posponed till end of january or feb
15:45 < mnemoc> rxr: does emacs on trunk build? i had to remove configure.in patch because autoconf failed
15:46 < rxr> oehm
15:46 < rxr> the last time I tried it it built
15:46 < rxr> build/reference-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-reference/var/adm/logs/5-emacs.log
15:46 < mnemoc> rxr: i was thinking in injecting data into .la instead of adding via gcc wrapper missing -l on x86_64
15:46 < karasz> rxr now i think is pretty final
15:47 < rxr> Dec 7 18:47 build/reference-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-reference/var/adm/logs/9-emacs.log
15:47 < mnemoc> rxr: odd
15:47 < karasz> 1. my machine a small x100 will arive at the end of January because IBM closed the orders for this year
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15:47 < karasz> what ever this means
15:47 < karasz> customer with OpenPower wil be on hand at the same time
15:48 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, at minto's you can find my last desktop/x86_64 build if you don't want to spend unnecessary time rebuilding everything
15:49 < rxr> mnemoc: I want to build locally anyway, to be able to boot the ISO immediatly and tinker with the boot code if needed ...
15:49 < rxr> my Turion sub-notebook is faster than my athlon, so ...
15:49 < mnemoc> ok :)
15:49 < mnemoc> http://svn.sunbase.org/repos/svnutils/trunk/src/svndiff
15:51 * rxr wonders how the linux kernel behaves when run with a rootfs from a external USB or Firewire disk and the machine is put to sleep ...
15:51 < rxr> will it come back on resume?
15:51 < rxr> I fear it will not have his root anymore ...
15:55 < mnemoc> minto's is down :(
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16:10 < rxr> load of the Geode: up 2 days, 21:10, 2 users, load average: 4.73, 3.95, 3.01
16:12 < mnemoc> poor geode
16:12 < rxr> hand warm the box without fans ...
16:13 < rxr> the max is frozen cold - no wonder how much air is pushed thru the aluminium case ..
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16:16 < madtux> re
16:16 < rxr> madtux: wb
16:17 < madtux> thx..
16:17 < rxr> madtux: what are you working on these days ?
16:17 < madtux> rxr just a moment ago.. going crazy with clients phone calls, internet international link went down
16:18 < madtux> rxr, and in general... i work as senir sysadmin and security freak for a hosting company.
16:18 < rxr> not selfemployed anymore ?
16:18 < madtux> i am tired of been selfemployes i want to take it easy for sometime
16:18 < madtux> and stabilize some things in my life... mostly emotionally
16:19 < madtux> Also i am waiting for available opportunities at a so called company exactcode.de so that i can submit my resumee.
16:19 < karasz> :D
16:19 < madtux> hello there karasz
16:19 < karasz> hi madtux
16:21 < mnemoc> nzg: hi, vmware packaged? :)
16:21 < mnemoc> re-hi madtux
16:21 < nzg> mnemoc: not yet
16:21 < madtux> wow... nazgul is here
16:21 < madtux> :)
16:21 < nzg> hi madtux
16:26 < rxr> hi nzg
16:28 < nzg> hi rxr
16:29 * rxr rebooting the geode after 2 days, 21:29 of uptime from an external firewire disk ...
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17:14 < mnemoc> rxr: what copyright-holders files at target/archivista have?
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17:34 < rxr> well, Archivista GmbH and Rene Rebe I would say
17:34 < rxr> GPL
17:34 < rxr> why do you ask ?
17:35 < mnemoc> Create-CopyPatch
17:35 < mnemoc> currently preserves any Copyright line
17:35 < mnemoc> and renew T2's if necesary
17:36 < mnemoc> but i don't know how to handle archivista's
17:36 < rxr> don't run the patch creator over it ...
17:36 < rxr> I would not customize the creator for any target out there ...
17:36 < rxr> let's only run it over the vanilla t2 code
17:37 < rxr> in some weeks the archivista code will be somewhere at archivista.t2-powered.net ,-)
17:37 < rxr> somehow the keyboard died on my athlon's X - strange - never encountered such a thing
17:38 * rxr preparing to leave to the x-mas celebration over @ http://golem.de
17:38 < rxr> btw: stable 0-binutils does not build on my laptop due obscure reasons
17:38 < rxr> I review tomorrow I think
17:39 < mnemoc> i would prefer http{s,}://svn.t2-powered.net/archivista :)
17:39 < mnemoc> rxr: paralellism i think, run it again :p
17:40 < rxr> sure ?
17:40 < mnemoc> sure about which?
17:40 < rxr> perl ../../etc/texi2pod.pl -Dman -Dnlmconv < ./binutils.texi > nlmconv.pod
17:40 < rxr> In file included from ./targ-cpu.h:1, from ./config/obj-elf.h:42, from ./obj-format.h:1, from ./config/te-linux.h:4, from targ-env.h:1, from as.h:625, from app.c:30:
17:40 < rxr> ./config/tc-i386.h:443: error: array type has incomplete element type
17:40 < rxr> ^- binutils
17:40 < mnemoc> uhm
17:41 < rxr> or - wait
17:41 < rxr> ah - no
17:41 < rxr> wanted to write that I might have unflushed changes
17:41 < rxr> but that is a fresh 2.1 checkout
17:41 < rxr> thus no local hackup whatsover
17:41 < rxr> I restart while I shower
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17:57 < CIA-8> amery * r13842 /trunk/package/java/eclipse/ (eclipse.conf eclipse.desc): * removed KAFFE flag from eclipse, it's not yet ready for that
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17:58 < MisterN> hi
18:01 < rxr> hi MisterN
18:01 < rxr> mnemoc: not a parallel issue ...
18:01 < mnemoc> wb MsN
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18:01 < mnemoc> rxr: gcc4 at host?
18:01 < rxr> 4.0.2
18:01 < mnemoc> that may be the cause
18:01 < rxr> yep
18:01 < rxr> mnemoc: I debug after the x-mas thing
18:02 < mnemoc> so, no desktop/amd64 fixed at 2.1 until xmas?
18:04 < rxr> nah?
18:05 < rxr> not not unitl this night or tomorrow morning
18:05 < rxr> tomorrow - morning - I suspend the laptop while I'm away - so no ssh from susan ...
18:05 < rxr> so - cu
18:05 < rxr> though - valentin are you on a terminal ?
18:07 < mnemoc> xmas.... damn.. the days pass too fast
18:07 < rxr> ouhm
18:07 < rxr> mnemoc: looks like gcc-4.0 scriptness
18:10 < rxr> hm - binutils is strange
18:10 < rxr> can we update it a bit on 2.1 ?
18:10 < mnemoc> update what?
18:11 < rxr> binutils ?
18:11 < mnemoc> uhm
18:12 < mnemoc> i wanted to froze it.... i would need to test a full reference with the updated one to know if it's really harmless
18:12 < mnemoc> so delay 2.1.1 much more
18:13 < rxr> okok
18:13 < rxr> I come up with some patch
18:13 * rxr off
18:13 < rxr> cu
18:13 < mnemoc> cu rxr ,-)
18:13 < CIA-8> amery * r13843 /branches/2.1/package/java/eclipse/ (. eclipse.conf eclipse.conf eclipse.desc eclipse.desc): * merged 13619,13731,13800,13842 from trunk: added eclipse (3.1.1) - extensible universal IDE written in java
18:36 < CIA-8> amery * r13844 /branches/2.1/scripts/Build-Target: * merged 13674 from trunk: changed Build-Target to use echo_status instead of plain echo for "Unmounting loop devices"
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18:52 < valentin> re
18:52 < mnemoc> wb valentin
18:52 < valentin> hi mnemoc menomc
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19:01 < ojh> Question: (Yes this is off topic) But does anyone know of a good C library for dealing with the overy complex mess that is the Freedesktop menu system? Trying to Google for ".desktop" is quite pointless.
19:02 < ojh> I have read the spec on FD.O and it seems to be a super complex solution to a simple problem. :-/
19:03 < mnemoc> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fdesktop_2dfile_2dutils ? or you need a library?
19:04 < ojh> mnemoc: THX, I'll check that out. A lib would be nice but I bay be able to just pull the code i need.
19:05 < mnemoc> yes
19:07 < ojh> mnemoc: Still, I am amaized by the complexity of the solution that was come up for such a simple problem. All UNIXes have symlinks - why all this XML complexity to define menus?!?!?
19:08 < mnemoc> ojh: http://gofun.berlios.de/tipiwiki/index.php
19:08 < mnemoc> ojh: because XML is cool
19:09 < _Ragnar_> :p
19:09 < ojh> mnemoc: Buzzwords . . . . figures . . . :-P
19:09 < _Ragnar_> sounds like windows programmers wrote this
19:09 < mnemoc> :)
19:11 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: but looks usefull
19:11 < mnemoc> useful?
19:11 < _Ragnar_> useful
19:12 < mnemoc> thanks :)
19:12 < ojh> I have most of te core components of my Zirconium Desktop Environment up and running. The full description (if I have not already gave the link here) is at http://zirconium.xisystems.net/
19:12 < mnemoc> i don't like it
19:13 * mnemoc happy with his xfce
19:14 < ojh> mnemoc: As much as I agree you about the FDO.O menu format it is - as close to as can be - standard. :-P
19:15 < mnemoc> committies tend to produce bloat
19:16 < ojh> mnemoc: Or copy Windoze/CDE/Macintosh . . . .
19:16 < mnemoc> :p
19:16 < CIA-8> amery * r13845 /branches/2.1/scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch: * merged 11602,11820,12787 from trunk: improved scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch to detect (and update) versioned download locations and only patch [V] and [D]
19:16 < Xenos> :)
19:17 * Xenos found a nice editor..
19:17 < Xenos> hm, mnemoc
19:17 < mnemoc> editor of what?
19:17 < Xenos> for everything :)
19:17 < mnemoc> http://jodrell.net/projects/scribble :)
19:17 < Xenos> i mean coding
19:17 < Xenos> :)
19:17 < Xenos> hmm
19:18 < Xenos> lol
19:18 < Xenos> )
19:18 < mnemoc> don't you like scribble? :)
19:19 < Xenos> mnemoc :)
19:19 < mnemoc> my wife love it :p
19:19 < Xenos> i see
19:19 < Xenos> but
19:19 < Xenos> i'm about html/xml/php/xslt/c++
19:19 < mnemoc> :)
19:19 < Xenos> :)
19:19 < mnemoc> http://scribes.sourceforge.net/index.html is nice too
19:19 < mnemoc> but i use pida/gvim anyway
19:20 < Xenos> found a nice editor written in java
19:20 < Xenos> i think
19:20 < Xenos> i'll use it
19:20 < Xenos> jext
19:20 < mnemoc> yuckva
19:20 < Xenos> 5.0
19:20 < Xenos> yuckva?
19:20 < mnemoc> yuck-va
19:21 < Xenos> what does "yuckva" mean?
19:21 < Xenos> what does "yuck-va" mean?
19:21 < Xenos> :)
19:21 < mnemoc> yuck, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuck
19:22 < Xenos> :)
19:22 < Xenos> www.jext.org
19:22 < mnemoc> Xenos: junkie is another funny word :p
19:22 < Xenos> i know :)
19:32 < demian> bye
19:33 * demian never redacted a document so long.. 159 pages..
19:41 < mnemoc> thesis?
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20:01 < misl> hi folks :)
20:02 < Xenos> hello, misl
20:18 < mnemoc> minto! :)
20:26 < karasz> hi minto
20:27 < misl> hi Xenos, Master Mnemoc and Karasz
20:27 < Xenos> :)
20:28 < misl> anything exciting occured recently?
20:30 < mnemoc> you missed me ranting against noisy powered down :)
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20:37 < misl> dawn, did I miss that :) Could you please repeat the ranting?
20:38 < misl> mnemoc: what did you want to use noisy for?
20:38 < misl> Stupid question. Building ofcourse :)
20:45 < mnemoc> misl: :p
20:45 < mnemoc> misl: i wanted to test emacs
20:45 < mnemoc> misl: i had to remove the patch for configure.in (keeping configure) because autoconf failed
20:46 < misl> you need a dual opteron with 4Gb and 1.2 TB to just test emacs?
20:46 < misl> this time it is my turn to rant
20:46 < misl> :)
20:50 < mnemoc> :p
21:14 < MisterN> culater
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22:50 < madtux> re
22:55 < mnemoc> wb madtux
22:56 < madtux> thx
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23:30 < Xenos> http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1105-desktop.png :)
23:33 < mnemoc> Xenos: bmp packaged?
23:33 < Xenos> no :/
23:34 < Xenos> i haven't t2-folder
23:34 < Xenos> or i don't know..
23:35 < mnemoc> i haven't t2-folder <--- please re-phrase
23:35 < Xenos> )
23:35 < Xenos> sorry
23:35 < Xenos> where can i find that script?
23:35 < mnemoc> what script?
23:35 < Xenos> newpackage.sh or similiar
23:35 < mnemoc> newpackage.sh is at misc/archive
23:35 < Xenos> in t2-folder/misc, yep?
23:35 < Xenos> argh
23:36 < Xenos> but
23:36 < mnemoc> but the best way to create a new package is copying another
23:36 < Xenos> where is misc/archive is?
23:36 < Xenos> argh :(
23:36 < Xenos> where is misc/archive?
23:36 < mnemoc> on your working copy of t2
23:36 < Xenos> where? :)
23:36 < Xenos> /usr ?
23:37 < mnemoc> svn co :)
23:37 < Xenos> :(
23:39 < karasz> mnemoc: in no way do i want to teach you but please lower a bit the standard of your explanations
23:39 * karasz hides
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23:40 < karasz> Xenos: you need to get a workin' copy of the T2 branch you are using
23:40 < Xenos> i have it
23:40 < mnemoc> ^_^
23:40 < karasz> this means the build scripts and all the package descriptions available in that branch
23:40 < nzg> hm, vmware-bridged networking and ndiswrapper are a bad combination
23:40 < karasz> then you can find the scripts
23:41 < karasz> also remember that the scripts are allways launched as ./scripts/whatever --switch
23:41 < karasz> not ./whatever --switch
23:41 < Xenos> yeah.. but
23:42 < karasz> mnemoc: ack, sorry
23:42 < karasz> but what Xenos ?
23:42 < Xenos> i'll try, whe i'll return from the university
23:42 < karasz> that is not a `but`...
23:42 < Xenos> & now i must go to bed..
23:43 < karasz> mnemoc: you are entitled to a O_O to me ;)
23:43 < mnemoc> :)
23:43 < Xenos> hmm..
23:43 < Xenos> 'night all, guys
23:43 < karasz> cu Xenos
23:44 * Xenos is away: dropped to bed..
23:45 < karasz> i guess that we won't see bmpx soon from Xenos ;(
23:46 < mnemoc> coward
23:46 < mnemoc> packaging on t2 is _easy_
23:47 < karasz> mnemoc: there is no need to be that harsh
23:47 < mnemoc> :)
23:47 < karasz> new things may be scarry sometimes
23:47 < karasz> i know it
23:47 < karasz> i am still scared...
23:48 < karasz> and you know what scares me the most about T2?
23:48 < mnemoc> tell me :)
23:48 * madtux ready to listen to this
23:49 < madtux> you know whats scary? loading all modules available on the install disk, including the one that u know works on ur box, and stone still does not find ur hard disk
23:50 < karasz> right now i kinda manage some 50 servers to which i have only ssh connection
23:50 < mnemoc> madtux: fdisk on command line?
23:51 < mnemoc> karasz: i'm 6h away from my servers :p
23:51 < karasz> good for you
23:51 < karasz> some of mine are closer some at abt 1000km\
23:51 < mnemoc> but twice i have had to run to fix them in situ :(
23:51 < karasz> but that's not the problem
23:52 < karasz> i really think that we should provide an binary form update to custom made targets
23:52 < mnemoc> karasz: on my 'free time' i'm coding sam and sde helpers
23:52 < mnemoc> sam as a mix of stone and apt
23:52 < karasz> i am not kean on compile ssh or kernel on remote systems hopping that they would boot after that
23:52 < karasz> yuuuhhhhiiii
23:53 < mnemoc> and sde as a PATH-friendly wrapper to ./scripts/ misc/archive toys
23:53 < karasz> that's what i wanted to hear
23:53 < karasz> i dunno about you guys but i love apt and it's kind
23:53 < mnemoc> karasz: but you know how big our comunity is, and we must priorize
23:53 < karasz> i fully understand that
23:54 < mnemoc> karasz: but sam is under SDE concept, distribution maintainer release updates for machines installed with his distribution. not T2 project
23:54 < karasz> on the other hand i guess that being able to launch t2-powered mantained by their vreator is essential
23:55 < karasz> right now i can not make a difference between SDE and T2
23:55 < karasz> maybe you wanna enlighten me?
23:55 < mnemoc> T2 as an SDE
23:55 < mnemoc> T2 is not a distribution, so T2 doesn't have binary packages
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23:55 < karasz> that is what i am talking about too
23:55 < karasz> i was refering to distros made with T2
23:56 < karasz> not T2 as per se
23:56 < mnemoc> karasz maintain a distribution with multiple builds of his target, and karasz provide binary packages
23:56 < karasz> yup
23:56 < karasz> exactly
23:56 < mnemoc> on Config you tell 'sam' (before it gets build) where should it get the updates, etc...
23:57 < karasz> but karasz needs a tool for that because he is too dumb to make it otherwise
23:57 < mnemoc> if sam package is enabled
23:57 < mnemoc> sure
23:57 < mnemoc> that's why i'm trying to code sam
23:57 < mnemoc> SDE Administration Manager
23:57 < karasz> good
23:58 < mnemoc> sam install foo
23:58 < karasz> now why did you choose apt?
23:58 < mnemoc> sam build foo
23:58 < mnemoc> sam search foo
23:58 < mnemoc> sam config foo
23:58 < karasz> there are pros and cons...
23:58 < mnemoc> i'll not use apt
23:59 < karasz> and how do you intend to manage version hayewire?
23:59 < mnemoc> after a first beta see the sun, the feedback will make me rewrite it a couple of times
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