T2 IRC Log: 2005-12-06
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--- Log opened Tue Dec 06 00:00:16 2005
00:18 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you these days ?
00:27 < rxr> hm - me soon off into bed
00:29 < _Ragnar_> sleep well :)
00:30 < rxr> thanks - you too
01:57 < mnemoc> rehi
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02:14 < ojh> Question: Where can I find ALL the file lists for all the packages in the package tree?
02:15 < ojh> Presumably they all exist on the test/build server.
02:17 < ojh> I want to be able to grep for libfoo.so and know what package needs to be installed for it.
02:17 < _Ragnar_>/var/adm/flists/
02:19 < ojh> _Ragnar_: Yes, that has everything I have installed but I want the flists for everything that is in the package tree - the packages I don't have installed.
02:19 < mnemoc> ojh: ask here and i grep my reference build
02:19 < ojh> _Ragnar_: Like the serch abilityes in APT/YUM.
02:21 < ojh> mnemoc: I want a tarball of all reference flists so I can basicly ask "Whwew does libfoo.so come from?" and know what pachage to add.
02:23 < ojh> (UGH! I can't type tonight)
02:24 < mnemoc> ojh: http://t2.geeks.cl/flist-snapshot-2.1.tar.bz2
02:25 < ojh> mnemoc: Exactly :-)
02:25 < mnemoc> fetched? to delete it
02:25 < ojh> ???
02:26 < mnemoc> did you download it?
02:26 < ojh> Downloading . . .
02:26 < mnemoc> ok
02:26 < ojh> Done.
02:27 < mnemoc> deleted
02:27 < mnemoc> ,-)
02:27 < ojh> IC
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04:30 < kleper> who know where is the targets of mnemoc ?
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10:27 < rxr> re
11:39 < CIA-14> rene * r13791 /trunk/package/network/xmule/xmule.desc: * updated xmule (1.12.0 -> 1.12.2)
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11:47 < karasz> hello all
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12:33 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
12:33 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
12:33 [Users #t2]
12:33 [ _Ragnar_] [ geekitus] [ mnemoc] [ sepp_ ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
12:33 [ CIA-11 ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ SerWou ] [ valentin ]
12:33 [ Demian ] [ karasz ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] [ Xenos ]
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12:59 < CIA-11> rene * r13793 /trunk/package/xorg/ (73 files in 73 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:59 < CIA-11> * remaining X11R7 RC3 updates, the last commit was run with ano
12:59 < CIA-11> outdated update checker, sorry:
12:59 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-digitaledge (1.0.1 -> 1.0.1.1)
12:59 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-fpit (1.0.0.2 -> 1.0.0.3)
12:59 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-dmc (1.0.0.2 -> 1.0.0.3)
12:59 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-video-vmware (10.11.1 -> 10.11.1.1)
13:14 < CIA-11> rene * r13794 /trunk/package/kde/ (24 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated kdegames (3.5.0-rc1 -> 3.5.0)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated kdebindings (3.5.0-rc1 -> 3.5.0)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated kdeaddons (3.5.0-rc1 -> 3.5.0)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated arts (1.5.0-rc1 -> 1.5.0)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated kdepim (3.5.0-rc1 -> 3.5.0)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated kdeadmin (3.5.0-rc1 -> 3.5.0)
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13:27 < kleper> who know where is the target's of mnemoc ?
13:29 < rxr> source code wise ?
13:29 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/
13:29 < rxr> it is checked out with t2 as svn:external into target/mnemosysne ...
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13:33 < rxr> hi antimac
13:34 < kleper> umm, this i can not download a tar.gz? for put on t2-sources? :D
13:35 < rxr> 4161 builds total, 2047 completed fine, 135 with errors.
13:35 < rxr> ^- trunk:HEAD already building in stage 9
13:39 < antimac> lo
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13:46 < CIA-11> rene * r13795 /trunk/package/base/pcmciautils/pcmciautils.desc: * updated pcmciautils (010 -> 011)
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14:12 < sparc-kly> he T2000's CPU, the UltraSPARC T1 (Niagara) has 4, 6 or 8 cores; each of these cores has 4 threads, so that adds up to 16, 24 or 32 virtual CPUs. The maximum amount of RAM is 32GB DDR2.
14:12 < sparc-kly> :D
14:12 < sparc-kly> Sun is going to announce its first Niagara-based server, the T2000, tomorrow
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14:54 < mipe> I installed t2 2.1(p4 iso) to my laptop and noticed that KDE menu is bit incomplete, for example theres no control center link...
14:57 < rxr> mipe: hm - my brother had that too - strange
14:58 < mnemoc> so, it's not only gnome problem
14:59 < rxr> mnemoc: in kde everything else is there - including gnome stuff
14:59 < rxr> for my opinon too much gnome stuff
14:59 < mnemoc> :)
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14:59 < rxr> even opening gedit on .txt files clicks in konqueror :-(((
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14:59 < mnemoc> if you build an hybrid, you get an hybrid
15:05 < rxr> :-((
15:06 < mnemoc> the _power_ of T2 :)
15:06 < mnemoc> you get what you build
15:06 < rxr> well - as I wrote some time ago I consider tweaking kde and gnome startup in a way to only set XDG_... stuff for the environment just started
15:06 < rxr> so by default one gets the matching apps by default
15:07 < rxr> but let's solve this gnome brokenness before we do this ...
15:07 < rxr> (if ever)
15:08 < mnemoc> don't forget there are other desktop enviroments which use kde and gnome .desktop files
15:09 < mnemoc> what you can do is to reorder XDG moving 'current desktop enviroment' to top
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15:12 < madtux> hello.
15:13 < rxr> moin miguel
15:13 < rxr> and welcome mnemoc as well ,-)
15:13 < rxr> he lurked in again without a greeting ,-)
15:13 < madtux> hehe :)
15:14 < madtux> yeah he is normally like that
15:14 < rxr> today we had an evaluation in this Apple Powermac lab i have design in ...
15:14 < rxr> I gave the admin the worst marks ever
15:14 < madtux> .oO( chileno mal educado )
15:15 < rxr> for disabling "Terminal.app" and thus everything useful on the Macs for loggin in users
15:15 < rxr> where anonymous users can use it ...
15:15 < rxr> "fore security reasons" ...
15:15 < rxr> well - there he got his worst marks I could give him ...
15:15 < mnemoc> rxr: hi rxr!
15:15 < mnemoc> hi madtux ,-)
15:15 < rxr> hi mnemoc !!
15:15 < mnemoc> :)
15:16 < rxr> mnemoc: guess you think you count as inventary of this channel and thus need go greeting, right ? ;-)
15:17 < mnemoc> :p
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15:24 < rxr> moin owl
15:24 < mnemoc> wb owlinette
15:27 < owl> hi rxr , mnemoc
15:33 < karasz> hello again
15:35 < mnemoc> hi again karasz
15:36 * karasz has criminal tendencies today
15:36 * karasz say `beware all so caled network admins out there!`
15:36 < karasz> huh i feel better now
15:37 < madtux> i am a network admin.
15:37 < karasz> good for you madtux
15:38 < madtux> do i have to be affraid too?
15:38 < madtux> :)
15:38 < karasz> i don't think so
15:38 < madtux> phew
15:38 < madtux> :)
15:38 < karasz> only if you drop my index on a 600k table
15:39 < karasz> and after that cry out loud that the app is crap and goin slow
15:39 < karasz> so madtux what do you say? should you be afraid?
15:40 < madtux> not really
15:40 < karasz> thought so ;)
15:42 < karasz> senor mnemoc apesadumbrado, estaba a furioso para notar su saludo ;)
15:48 < madtux> hehe
15:48 < madtux> apesadumbrado... wow... i think i have never used that word
15:52 < mnemoc> :)
15:52 < mnemoc> neither do i
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16:48 < CIA-9> amery * r13796 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdesklets/gdesklets.conf: * fixed gdesklets to not run updaet-mime-database
16:50 < CIA-9> amery * r13797 /trunk/package/gnome2/planner/planner.conf: * fixed planner to not run update-desktop-database or update-mime-database
16:51 < CIA-9> amery * r13798 /trunk/package/gnome2/glabels/glabels.conf: * fixed glabels to not run update-desktop-database
17:17 < Demian> hi
17:19 < Xenos> hi, Demian
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17:54 < Demian> wb Xenos
17:54 < Xenos> :)
17:54 < Xenos> hi
18:00 < rxr> re
18:06 < mnemoc> wb rxr
18:07 < CIA-9> amery * r13799 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
18:07 < CIA-9> * merged 13797 from trunk: fixed planner to not run update-desktop-database or update-mime-database
18:07 < CIA-9> * merged 13798 from trunk: fixed glabels to not run update-desktop-database
18:07 < CIA-9> * merged 13796 from trunk: fixed gdesklets to not run update-mime-database
18:18 * Xenos is away: installing qnx..
18:18 < mnemoc> wtf is that?
18:19 < mnemoc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX
18:20 < mnemoc> Xenos: don't you want to add hurd support on t2?
18:21 < karasz> re hi
18:21 < mnemoc> re-re hi karasz
18:21 < karasz> oh
18:21 < karasz> re-re-re-....hi mnemoc :)
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18:23 < rxr> qnx ?
18:23 < rxr> ouhm
18:23 < rxr> that is on the coolness meter on the level of irix ...
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18:27 < karasz> indeed
18:28 < karasz> rxr second level of coolness?
18:31 < antimac> Where's VMS on your meter?
18:34 < mnemoc> and osX?
18:36 < Demian> who of u know about recent operative systems, started after year 1995?
18:37 < antimac> OS/2?
18:37 < Demian> Modern Operative Systems book's title by Tanenbaum maybe obsolete.
18:37 < antimac> Oh, no 1985. ;)
18:38 < mnemoc> how old is l4?
18:39 < Demian> SkyOS.. is one.
18:40 < Demian> first release at 1997
18:42 < Demian> to be honest, SkyOS is simply cool.
18:44 < mnemoc> Version 0.1 pistachio-0.1.tar.bz2 [May 2, 2003]
18:47 < karasz> bye all
18:51 < Demian> bye karasz
19:00 < rxr> never used VMS
19:00 < rxr> but OS X suX ...
19:05 < Demian> the thing about new Operative systems is that they already know the pitfalls of others, and hopefully will be more optimized.. but sometimes that makes them far from the existent software foundations.
19:09 < mnemoc> as far as they support elf, they have chances
19:10 < rxr> Demian: that is not really true
19:10 < rxr> skyos and this other thing are from people just hacking around - nothing with research or a masterplan ...
19:10 < rxr> linux has a lot of research and man-power applied and is in fact one of the most optimized operating systems
19:11 < Demian> i am not talking specifically about skyos, actually, i am looking for new OSs with relevant designs.. and well, skyos btw seems to be a lot dependant.
19:11 < rxr> beos was a good thing - too bad they did not open source it
19:12 < rxr> let's see how the beos clones what do reode everything in open source come along
19:12 < rxr> haiku for example
19:13 < rxr> however I'm mostly satisfied with the current open source world - just some stuff drunken red hat people f*ck up too much
19:13 < rxr> but - well you have the choice ...
19:13 < rxr> t2 should support more kernel soon
19:14 < rxr> and when trunk reaches the 2.2 tag it will be sophisticated fun
19:15 < Demian> umm. my idea behind searching for new OSs is to study their designs, if they apply innovated design. an OS architecture and interaction with other software is really a study case.
19:16 < rxr> I think modern OS should be object oriented from the ground up
19:16 < rxr> without any old legacy cruft
19:16 < rxr> beos was a bit of this
19:16 < Demian> yeah ?
19:16 < mnemoc> i want to add pistachio/hurd and elks on unix-like and reactos/freedos/mingw on the other hand :p
19:16 < rxr> mnemoc: I want too - but miss the time
19:17 < mnemoc> when we have 80 t2 will support them for sure :)
19:17 < Demian> what's that misty number 80?
19:18 < rxr> we are I guess
19:18 < rxr> when we are ,-)
19:18 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - I think so
19:18 < mnemoc> hehe
19:21 < rxr> I have a Dual core power mac that does not run linux and have to use a 500Mhz AMD Geode instead - sigh
19:23 < mnemoc> Makefile question, i have a list of PROG on PROGS, and i wnat to make $(PROG): $(PROG).prg .... how can i do that using the list instead of one by one?
19:24 < rxr> he exactbuild has interesting complex makefile examples
19:24 < mnemoc> rxr: send it to benh *sigh*
19:24 < rxr> off hand I forget most cryptic stuff all the itme
19:24 < rxr> do you need a different rule for each PROG ?
19:24 < mnemoc> no, all the same
19:25 < rxr> then use this impicit rules
19:25 < rxr> %: %.prg
19:25 < rxr>what to do
19:25 < mnemoc> :)
19:26 < mnemoc> worked
19:28 < rxr> ,-)
19:28 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:28 < rxr> exact build is quite nice - IMHO
19:29 < rxr> mnemoc: if you need more rules ..
19:29 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_
19:29 < rxr> mnemoc: but I'm biased - I hate GNU/Auto* junk and wrote it ...
19:30 < mnemoc> rxr: is it easy to use different folder for source and output with exactbuild?
19:30 < rxr> it only works this way
19:30 < rxr> and non-recursive
19:30 < mnemoc> :-)
19:30 < rxr> but better only look into it when you have spare time
19:30 < rxr> it misses documentation
19:31 < rxr> best checkout a project that is converted to it and decide if you like it
19:31 < rxr> if some makefiles lines are enough for your code it is not woth starting to look into it
19:31 < mnemoc> google doesn't know about exactcode... you may want to paste an url :)
19:31 < rxr> exactbuild
19:31 < mnemoc> exactbuild, yes
19:31 < mnemoc> paste an url to let google know about it
19:32 < mnemoc> about exactbuild i mean
19:32 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:32 < rxr> .oO(http://(www.exactbuild.com)
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19:32 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/exact-build/index.html
19:32 < mnemoc> hey, don't score other sites!
19:32 < rxr> mnemoc: with a space in between google knows it already ,-)
19:32 < rxr> top hit ,-)
19:33 < mnemoc> oh, it's exact-build instead of exactbuild
19:33 < rxr> followed by eclipse ,-)
19:33 < rxr> oh - the source link is defect
19:33 < mnemoc> :D
19:33 < mnemoc> *LOL*
19:33 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/exact-build/trunk/
19:33 < rxr> I fix that after I improved cups-pdf a bit more
19:52 < rxr> 2688 nobody 25 0 16660 8924 3604 R 80.0 1.8 2:15.39 gs
19:52 < rxr> ^- me toasting the geode ..
19:52 * rxr preparing tea ...
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19:53 < misl> hi folks
19:54 < jsaw> re
19:56 < rxr> moin misl and jsaw
19:56 < misl> hi rxr, jsaw
19:57 < jsaw> does anybody now the board-game "Die Siedler von Catan"?
19:57 < jsaw> hi rxr, misl
19:57 < rxr> yes
19:57 < jsaw> one of the illustrators is making a caterpillar for us
19:57 < misl> yepp, played it once a long time ago
19:58 < misl> mnemoc ping
19:58 < mnemoc> pong
19:58 < jsaw> I'm pretty curious what she's gonna draw
19:58 < mnemoc> one of the illustrators?
19:58 < jsaw> yep
19:59 < mnemoc> o.o
19:59 < misl> mnemoc: eclipse installed properply :) yesterday evening. I will commit now, however the uname issue is still open.
19:59 < jsaw> good friend of my wife :)
19:59 < rxr> jsaw: ;-)!
19:59 < mnemoc> :D
20:00 < misl> jsaw: have them stay friends :)
20:00 < jsaw> :)
20:00 < jsaw> next year I should make here a homepage..
20:01 < mnemoc> :)
20:02 < rxr> hehe - just scrolling the archivista handbook
20:03 < rxr> the new edition including their archivista pox powered by T2 includes "T2 SDE 2.2.0-alpha ...." in the version field of the box info dialog
20:03 < mnemoc> :D
20:03 < rxr> guess mnemoc stomarch would turn over ...
20:04 < mnemoc> nah 2.2.0-alpha is proper.... beta or even 'delta' is not
20:04 < rxr> why no delta ,-)
20:04 < rxr> ehrm - beta even
20:04 < rxr> a bit more polishing and it is there ,-)
20:04 < rxr> 2.2.0-final wise ...
20:04 < mnemoc> :)
20:04 < mnemoc> when will you help me on 2.1/x86_64?
20:04 < rxr> when I have a free timeslot ...
20:05 < rxr> right now I do archivista bug hunting ...
20:05 < rxr> and then I prepared the ebay stuff I sold hours ago
20:05 < mnemoc> before or after 2.2.0-final? :)
20:05 < rxr> and in the morning I was in the uni ...
20:05 < rxr> and so on ..
20:05 < rxr> before ,-)
20:05 < rxr> 2.2.0-beta due xmas
20:05 < mnemoc> ok :)
20:05 < rxr> final in january or february
20:05 < rxr> I adapted the roadmap a week ago ...
20:05 < mnemoc> that sounds more realistic
20:05 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/roadmap.html
20:06 < rxr> 2.3 release (June 2006)
20:07 < rxr> !> var/adm/flists/linux26: linux26 linux26~
20:07 < rxr> argh
20:07 < jsaw> hehe
20:07 < rxr> I hate when people confiture their vim to store backup files....
20:07 < rxr> should we improve the build to ignore them ?
20:07 < _Ragnar_> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/67057 no free software at all in .fr any more, no http no ftp no apache ... nice, isn't it?
20:08 < mnemoc> reason?
20:08 < rxr> 7
20:09 < _Ragnar_> copyright
20:09 < mnemoc> what copyright?
20:10 < rxr> mnemoc: according to thenews entry one must control the content transfered by software so that copyright violation is not possible
20:10 < _Ragnar_> the french governmest wants to criminalize software that does not check for copy-protection
20:10 < rxr> experts expect that then no open source could be used to transfer data since it does not contain such "filter code"
20:10 < mnemoc> wtf
20:10 < rxr> e.g. apache will deliver a one-others.mp3 just fine
20:11 < _Ragnar_> also they explicitly want to outlaw open soure media players
20:11 < mnemoc> mod_stupid_french_law.so ?
20:11 < rxr> whereas the new "to be enfoced" low around xmas stats the software must permit this
20:11 < rxr> mnemoc: dooing sleep(2) on each connect as ISS does ? ,-)
20:12 < rxr> filled with 200kB /dev/null data so the law enforcement has something to review ?
20:12 < _Ragnar_> also criminalizes talking about removing copy protection and security research
20:12 < rxr> /dev/random even - sorry
20:12 < mnemoc> are knife factories guilty of crimes done with knifes at france?
20:12 < rxr> mnemoc: at least gun factories are not in the US ...
20:12 < rxr> a gun for everyone so one can fight his how house ...
20:14 < rxr> #!/usr/bin/perl^M
20:14 < rxr> ^M
20:14 < rxr> who the hack wrote the file in a windows editor ... ????
20:15 < mnemoc> sed -i 's,\r,,g' :)
20:16 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
20:16 < Xenos> :))))))))
20:18 < rxr> what are you laughing about ?
20:20 < mnemoc> Results 1 - 10 of about 1,680,000 for french stupidity. (0.42 seconds)
20:20 < rxr> hm
20:20 < rxr> the sending side has unix encoding
20:20 < mnemoc> cvs at a windows server?
20:20 < rxr> why does a scp convert this to pee sea / DOS line ending ...
20:20 < rxr> nope - scp, from switzerland to germany ...
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20:29 < SerWou> good evening the chan
20:34 < mnemoc> hi SerWou
20:34 < SerWou> how are you today ?
20:34 < rxr> yep - welcome sw
20:35 < _Ragnar_> hi hi
20:36 < misl> yuck, CIA has missed my eclipse update.
20:37 < mnemoc> updatE?
20:38 < SerWou> hello rxr
20:38 * Xenos found white BUT very fast gtk2 theme!
20:39 < mnemoc> url?
20:39 < Xenos> http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=32252&file1=32252-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=BrushedC
20:39 < Xenos> the fastest i think
20:40 < Xenos> the fastest i've never used
20:40 < Xenos> ;>
20:42 < Xenos> but wanna get a dark one :/
20:47 < misl> mnemoc: sorry not update but commit. :)
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20:54 < rxr> Mehrere kritische L?cken in PDF-Betrachtern Xpdf, GPdf und KPDF
20:55 < mnemoc> o.o
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21:01 < mnemoc> wb vixen
21:02 < VEXation> )
21:02 < VEXation> hlo
21:03 < VEXation> can't find nice gtk2 theme :(
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21:21 < Xenos> mnemoc: ping
21:22 < Xenos> i found a nice theme, i'll use this one
21:22 < Xenos> http://art.gnome.org/preview.php?image=thumbnails/gtk2/GTK2-Tactile-Shot.png
21:29 < mnemoc> still too dark :)
21:29 < Xenos> :)
21:29 < Xenos> i love it
21:31 < Demian> yeah, too dark.
21:40 < rxr> OpenSPARC: UltraSPARC T1 wird Open Source
21:40 < rxr> ^- huh ?
21:41 < rxr> Sun open sources the new T1 CPU ?
21:41 < _Ragnar_> yepp
21:42 < rxr> cool - so T2 on T1 FPGAs soon ?
21:42 < _Ragnar_> *g*
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21:52 < antimac> hi
21:55 < rxr> cu
21:56 < Demian> bye rene
21:56 < Demian> hello antimac
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22:01 < mnemoc> http://www.wanzl.com/www_root/Us_index.html -> contact us what 'branche' means?
22:07 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: how is the thing used to buy on a supermarket called in english?
22:07 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: the thing with wheels :p
22:07 < _Ragnar_> trolley?
22:07 < _Ragnar_> shoppingc cart?
22:07 < _Ragnar_> -c
22:08 < mnemoc> simpler form?
22:08 < mnemoc> trolley?
22:08 < mnemoc> cart?
22:09 < _Ragnar_> cart I guess
22:09 < mnemoc> thanks :)
22:09 < _Ragnar_> trolleys run on rails :)
22:10 < mnemoc> :p
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22:13 < Demian> wb Xenos
22:13 < Xenos> hi, Demian
22:13 < Xenos> i love my provider :(
22:14 < Xenos> laggss :.
22:14 < Xenos> :/
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22:23 < antimac> I like openboot
22:24 < antimac> Btw .. let's see how linuxbios is going.
22:25 < antimac> 3
22:25 < antimac> oops
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22:29 < Demian> umm.. yesterday.. 30 minutes with a new IP and website domain up, and i just saw googlebot trying to retrieve info..
22:30 < mnemoc> 10 minutes and script kidies scanning you :)
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22:38 < antimac> Huh, UltraSPARC T1 gets an OpenSource processor
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22:56 < CIA-9> amery * r13801 /trunk/package/perl/perl-libwww/perl-libwww.desc: * updated perl-libwww (5.79 -> 5.803)
22:56 < CIA-9> msluis * r13800 /trunk/package/java/eclipse/eclipse.conf: * Modified eclipse package to properly install.
23:07 < Demian> is there a way in svn not to lock a file, but mark it as "being modified", so other people could be conscient of this and take care.. but still being able to commit changes to it if he persists. ??
23:08 < Demian> i am thinking to use this for some binary documents, where svn is weak to perform merges.
23:09 < mnemoc> svk
23:11 < Demian> svk also keeps the existent functionality by subversion?
23:12 < mnemoc> it use subversion as backend, but all the rest is different
23:23 < Demian> umm. still there is a chance to used subversion for that.. and force unlocking.
23:24 < Demian> well, i ll try that feature later.
23:24 < Demian> bye
23:24 < mnemoc> bye
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23:42 * Xenos is away: dropped to bed..
23:43 < Xenos> 'night all ;)
23:46 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13802 /trunk/package/games/scummvm/scummvm.desc: * updated scummvm (0.7.1 -> 0.8.0)
23:48 < antimac> /quit
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00:18 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you these days ?
00:27 < rxr> hm - me soon off into bed
00:29 < _Ragnar_> sleep well :)
00:30 < rxr> thanks - you too
01:57 < mnemoc> rehi
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02:14 < ojh> Question: Where can I find ALL the file lists for all the packages in the package tree?
02:15 < ojh> Presumably they all exist on the test/build server.
02:17 < ojh> I want to be able to grep for libfoo.so and know what package needs to be installed for it.
02:17 < _Ragnar_>
02:19 < ojh> _Ragnar_: Yes, that has everything I have installed but I want the flists for everything that is in the package tree - the packages I don't have installed.
02:19 < mnemoc> ojh: ask here and i grep my reference build
02:19 < ojh> _Ragnar_: Like the serch abilityes in APT/YUM.
02:21 < ojh> mnemoc: I want a tarball of all reference flists so I can basicly ask "Whwew does libfoo.so come from?" and know what pachage to add.
02:23 < ojh> (UGH! I can't type tonight)
02:24 < mnemoc> ojh: http://t2.geeks.cl/flist-snapshot-2.1.tar.bz2
02:25 < ojh> mnemoc: Exactly :-)
02:25 < mnemoc> fetched? to delete it
02:25 < ojh> ???
02:26 < mnemoc> did you download it?
02:26 < ojh> Downloading . . .
02:26 < mnemoc> ok
02:26 < ojh> Done.
02:27 < mnemoc> deleted
02:27 < mnemoc> ,-)
02:27 < ojh> IC
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04:30 < kleper> who know where is the targets of mnemoc ?
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10:27 < rxr> re
11:39 < CIA-14> rene * r13791 /trunk/package/network/xmule/xmule.desc: * updated xmule (1.12.0 -> 1.12.2)
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11:47 < karasz> hello all
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12:33 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
12:33 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
12:33 [Users #t2]
12:33 [ _Ragnar_] [ geekitus] [ mnemoc] [ sepp_ ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
12:33 [ CIA-11 ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ SerWou ] [ valentin ]
12:33 [ Demian ] [ karasz ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] [ Xenos ]
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12:59 < CIA-11> rene * r13793 /trunk/package/xorg/ (73 files in 73 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:59 < CIA-11> * remaining X11R7 RC3 updates, the last commit was run with ano
12:59 < CIA-11> outdated update checker, sorry:
12:59 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-digitaledge (1.0.1 -> 1.0.1.1)
12:59 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-fpit (1.0.0.2 -> 1.0.0.3)
12:59 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-dmc (1.0.0.2 -> 1.0.0.3)
12:59 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-video-vmware (10.11.1 -> 10.11.1.1)
13:14 < CIA-11> rene * r13794 /trunk/package/kde/ (24 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated kdegames (3.5.0-rc1 -> 3.5.0)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated kdebindings (3.5.0-rc1 -> 3.5.0)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated kdeaddons (3.5.0-rc1 -> 3.5.0)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated arts (1.5.0-rc1 -> 1.5.0)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated kdepim (3.5.0-rc1 -> 3.5.0)
13:14 < CIA-11> * updated kdeadmin (3.5.0-rc1 -> 3.5.0)
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13:27 < kleper> who know where is the target's of mnemoc ?
13:29 < rxr> source code wise ?
13:29 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/
13:29 < rxr> it is checked out with t2 as svn:external into target/mnemosysne ...
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13:33 < rxr> hi antimac
13:34 < kleper> umm, this i can not download a tar.gz? for put on t2-sources? :D
13:35 < rxr> 4161 builds total, 2047 completed fine, 135 with errors.
13:35 < rxr> ^- trunk:HEAD already building in stage 9
13:39 < antimac> lo
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13:46 < CIA-11> rene * r13795 /trunk/package/base/pcmciautils/pcmciautils.desc: * updated pcmciautils (010 -> 011)
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14:12 < sparc-kly> he T2000's CPU, the UltraSPARC T1 (Niagara) has 4, 6 or 8 cores; each of these cores has 4 threads, so that adds up to 16, 24 or 32 virtual CPUs. The maximum amount of RAM is 32GB DDR2.
14:12 < sparc-kly> :D
14:12 < sparc-kly> Sun is going to announce its first Niagara-based server, the T2000, tomorrow
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14:54 < mipe> I installed t2 2.1(p4 iso) to my laptop and noticed that KDE menu is bit incomplete, for example theres no control center link...
14:57 < rxr> mipe: hm - my brother had that too - strange
14:58 < mnemoc> so, it's not only gnome problem
14:59 < rxr> mnemoc: in kde everything else is there - including gnome stuff
14:59 < rxr> for my opinon too much gnome stuff
14:59 < mnemoc> :)
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14:59 < rxr> even opening gedit on .txt files clicks in konqueror :-(((
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14:59 < mnemoc> if you build an hybrid, you get an hybrid
15:05 < rxr> :-((
15:06 < mnemoc> the _power_ of T2 :)
15:06 < mnemoc> you get what you build
15:06 < rxr> well - as I wrote some time ago I consider tweaking kde and gnome startup in a way to only set XDG_... stuff for the environment just started
15:06 < rxr> so by default one gets the matching apps by default
15:07 < rxr> but let's solve this gnome brokenness before we do this ...
15:07 < rxr> (if ever)
15:08 < mnemoc> don't forget there are other desktop enviroments which use kde and gnome .desktop files
15:09 < mnemoc> what you can do is to reorder XDG moving 'current desktop enviroment' to top
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15:12 < madtux> hello.
15:13 < rxr> moin miguel
15:13 < rxr> and welcome mnemoc as well ,-)
15:13 < rxr> he lurked in again without a greeting ,-)
15:13 < madtux> hehe :)
15:14 < madtux> yeah he is normally like that
15:14 < rxr> today we had an evaluation in this Apple Powermac lab i have design in ...
15:14 < rxr> I gave the admin the worst marks ever
15:14 < madtux> .oO( chileno mal educado )
15:15 < rxr> for disabling "Terminal.app" and thus everything useful on the Macs for loggin in users
15:15 < rxr> where anonymous users can use it ...
15:15 < rxr> "fore security reasons" ...
15:15 < rxr> well - there he got his worst marks I could give him ...
15:15 < mnemoc> rxr: hi rxr!
15:15 < mnemoc> hi madtux ,-)
15:15 < rxr> hi mnemoc !!
15:15 < mnemoc> :)
15:16 < rxr> mnemoc: guess you think you count as inventary of this channel and thus need go greeting, right ? ;-)
15:17 < mnemoc> :p
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15:24 < rxr> moin owl
15:24 < mnemoc> wb owlinette
15:27 < owl> hi rxr , mnemoc
15:33 < karasz> hello again
15:35 < mnemoc> hi again karasz
15:36 * karasz has criminal tendencies today
15:36 * karasz say `beware all so caled network admins out there!`
15:36 < karasz> huh i feel better now
15:37 < madtux> i am a network admin.
15:37 < karasz> good for you madtux
15:38 < madtux> do i have to be affraid too?
15:38 < madtux> :)
15:38 < karasz> i don't think so
15:38 < madtux> phew
15:38 < madtux> :)
15:38 < karasz> only if you drop my index on a 600k table
15:39 < karasz> and after that cry out loud that the app is crap and goin slow
15:39 < karasz> so madtux what do you say? should you be afraid?
15:40 < madtux> not really
15:40 < karasz> thought so ;)
15:42 < karasz> senor mnemoc apesadumbrado, estaba a furioso para notar su saludo ;)
15:48 < madtux> hehe
15:48 < madtux> apesadumbrado... wow... i think i have never used that word
15:52 < mnemoc> :)
15:52 < mnemoc> neither do i
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16:48 < CIA-9> amery * r13796 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdesklets/gdesklets.conf: * fixed gdesklets to not run updaet-mime-database
16:50 < CIA-9> amery * r13797 /trunk/package/gnome2/planner/planner.conf: * fixed planner to not run update-desktop-database or update-mime-database
16:51 < CIA-9> amery * r13798 /trunk/package/gnome2/glabels/glabels.conf: * fixed glabels to not run update-desktop-database
17:17 < Demian> hi
17:19 < Xenos> hi, Demian
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17:54 < Demian> wb Xenos
17:54 < Xenos> :)
17:54 < Xenos> hi
18:00 < rxr> re
18:06 < mnemoc> wb rxr
18:07 < CIA-9> amery * r13799 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
18:07 < CIA-9> * merged 13797 from trunk: fixed planner to not run update-desktop-database or update-mime-database
18:07 < CIA-9> * merged 13798 from trunk: fixed glabels to not run update-desktop-database
18:07 < CIA-9> * merged 13796 from trunk: fixed gdesklets to not run update-mime-database
18:18 * Xenos is away: installing qnx..
18:18 < mnemoc> wtf is that?
18:19 < mnemoc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX
18:20 < mnemoc> Xenos: don't you want to add hurd support on t2?
18:21 < karasz> re hi
18:21 < mnemoc> re-re hi karasz
18:21 < karasz> oh
18:21 < karasz> re-re-re-....hi mnemoc :)
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18:23 < rxr> qnx ?
18:23 < rxr> ouhm
18:23 < rxr> that is on the coolness meter on the level of irix ...
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18:27 < karasz> indeed
18:28 < karasz> rxr second level of coolness?
18:31 < antimac> Where's VMS on your meter?
18:34 < mnemoc> and osX?
18:36 < Demian> who of u know about recent operative systems, started after year 1995?
18:37 < antimac> OS/2?
18:37 < Demian> Modern Operative Systems book's title by Tanenbaum maybe obsolete.
18:37 < antimac> Oh, no 1985. ;)
18:38 < mnemoc> how old is l4?
18:39 < Demian> SkyOS.. is one.
18:40 < Demian> first release at 1997
18:42 < Demian> to be honest, SkyOS is simply cool.
18:44 < mnemoc> Version 0.1 pistachio-0.1.tar.bz2 [May 2, 2003]
18:47 < karasz> bye all
18:51 < Demian> bye karasz
19:00 < rxr> never used VMS
19:00 < rxr> but OS X suX ...
19:05 < Demian> the thing about new Operative systems is that they already know the pitfalls of others, and hopefully will be more optimized.. but sometimes that makes them far from the existent software foundations.
19:09 < mnemoc> as far as they support elf, they have chances
19:10 < rxr> Demian: that is not really true
19:10 < rxr> skyos and this other thing are from people just hacking around - nothing with research or a masterplan ...
19:10 < rxr> linux has a lot of research and man-power applied and is in fact one of the most optimized operating systems
19:11 < Demian> i am not talking specifically about skyos, actually, i am looking for new OSs with relevant designs.. and well, skyos btw seems to be a lot dependant.
19:11 < rxr> beos was a good thing - too bad they did not open source it
19:12 < rxr> let's see how the beos clones what do reode everything in open source come along
19:12 < rxr> haiku for example
19:13 < rxr> however I'm mostly satisfied with the current open source world - just some stuff drunken red hat people f*ck up too much
19:13 < rxr> but - well you have the choice ...
19:13 < rxr> t2 should support more kernel soon
19:14 < rxr> and when trunk reaches the 2.2 tag it will be sophisticated fun
19:15 < Demian> umm. my idea behind searching for new OSs is to study their designs, if they apply innovated design. an OS architecture and interaction with other software is really a study case.
19:16 < rxr> I think modern OS should be object oriented from the ground up
19:16 < rxr> without any old legacy cruft
19:16 < rxr> beos was a bit of this
19:16 < Demian> yeah ?
19:16 < mnemoc> i want to add pistachio/hurd and elks on unix-like and reactos/freedos/mingw on the other hand :p
19:16 < rxr> mnemoc: I want too - but miss the time
19:17 < mnemoc> when we have 80 t2 will support them for sure :)
19:17 < Demian> what's that misty number 80?
19:18 < rxr> we are I guess
19:18 < rxr> when we are ,-)
19:18 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - I think so
19:18 < mnemoc> hehe
19:21 < rxr> I have a Dual core power mac that does not run linux and have to use a 500Mhz AMD Geode instead - sigh
19:23 < mnemoc> Makefile question, i have a list of PROG on PROGS, and i wnat to make $(PROG): $(PROG).prg .... how can i do that using the list instead of one by one?
19:24 < rxr> he exactbuild has interesting complex makefile examples
19:24 < mnemoc> rxr: send it to benh *sigh*
19:24 < rxr> off hand I forget most cryptic stuff all the itme
19:24 < rxr> do you need a different rule for each PROG ?
19:24 < mnemoc> no, all the same
19:25 < rxr> then use this impicit rules
19:25 < rxr> %: %.prg
19:25 < rxr>
19:25 < mnemoc> :)
19:26 < mnemoc> worked
19:28 < rxr> ,-)
19:28 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:28 < rxr> exact build is quite nice - IMHO
19:29 < rxr> mnemoc: if you need more rules ..
19:29 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_
19:29 < rxr> mnemoc: but I'm biased - I hate GNU/Auto* junk and wrote it ...
19:30 < mnemoc> rxr: is it easy to use different folder for source and output with exactbuild?
19:30 < rxr> it only works this way
19:30 < rxr> and non-recursive
19:30 < mnemoc> :-)
19:30 < rxr> but better only look into it when you have spare time
19:30 < rxr> it misses documentation
19:31 < rxr> best checkout a project that is converted to it and decide if you like it
19:31 < rxr> if some makefiles lines are enough for your code it is not woth starting to look into it
19:31 < mnemoc> google doesn't know about exactcode... you may want to paste an url :)
19:31 < rxr> exactbuild
19:31 < mnemoc> exactbuild, yes
19:31 < mnemoc> paste an url to let google know about it
19:32 < mnemoc> about exactbuild i mean
19:32 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:32 < rxr> .oO(http://(www.exactbuild.com)
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19:32 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/exact-build/index.html
19:32 < mnemoc> hey, don't score other sites!
19:32 < rxr> mnemoc: with a space in between google knows it already ,-)
19:32 < rxr> top hit ,-)
19:33 < mnemoc> oh, it's exact-build instead of exactbuild
19:33 < rxr> followed by eclipse ,-)
19:33 < rxr> oh - the source link is defect
19:33 < mnemoc> :D
19:33 < mnemoc> *LOL*
19:33 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/exact-build/trunk/
19:33 < rxr> I fix that after I improved cups-pdf a bit more
19:52 < rxr> 2688 nobody 25 0 16660 8924 3604 R 80.0 1.8 2:15.39 gs
19:52 < rxr> ^- me toasting the geode ..
19:52 * rxr preparing tea ...
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19:53 < misl> hi folks
19:54 < jsaw> re
19:56 < rxr> moin misl and jsaw
19:56 < misl> hi rxr, jsaw
19:57 < jsaw> does anybody now the board-game "Die Siedler von Catan"?
19:57 < jsaw> hi rxr, misl
19:57 < rxr> yes
19:57 < jsaw> one of the illustrators is making a caterpillar for us
19:57 < misl> yepp, played it once a long time ago
19:58 < misl> mnemoc ping
19:58 < mnemoc> pong
19:58 < jsaw> I'm pretty curious what she's gonna draw
19:58 < mnemoc> one of the illustrators?
19:58 < jsaw> yep
19:59 < mnemoc> o.o
19:59 < misl> mnemoc: eclipse installed properply :) yesterday evening. I will commit now, however the uname issue is still open.
19:59 < jsaw> good friend of my wife :)
19:59 < rxr> jsaw: ;-)!
19:59 < mnemoc> :D
20:00 < misl> jsaw: have them stay friends :)
20:00 < jsaw> :)
20:00 < jsaw> next year I should make here a homepage..
20:01 < mnemoc> :)
20:02 < rxr> hehe - just scrolling the archivista handbook
20:03 < rxr> the new edition including their archivista pox powered by T2 includes "T2 SDE 2.2.0-alpha ...." in the version field of the box info dialog
20:03 < mnemoc> :D
20:03 < rxr> guess mnemoc stomarch would turn over ...
20:04 < mnemoc> nah 2.2.0-alpha is proper.... beta or even 'delta' is not
20:04 < rxr> why no delta ,-)
20:04 < rxr> ehrm - beta even
20:04 < rxr> a bit more polishing and it is there ,-)
20:04 < rxr> 2.2.0-final wise ...
20:04 < mnemoc> :)
20:04 < mnemoc> when will you help me on 2.1/x86_64?
20:04 < rxr> when I have a free timeslot ...
20:05 < rxr> right now I do archivista bug hunting ...
20:05 < rxr> and then I prepared the ebay stuff I sold hours ago
20:05 < mnemoc> before or after 2.2.0-final? :)
20:05 < rxr> and in the morning I was in the uni ...
20:05 < rxr> and so on ..
20:05 < rxr> before ,-)
20:05 < rxr> 2.2.0-beta due xmas
20:05 < mnemoc> ok :)
20:05 < rxr> final in january or february
20:05 < rxr> I adapted the roadmap a week ago ...
20:05 < mnemoc> that sounds more realistic
20:05 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/roadmap.html
20:06 < rxr> 2.3 release (June 2006)
20:07 < rxr> !> var/adm/flists/linux26: linux26 linux26~
20:07 < rxr> argh
20:07 < jsaw> hehe
20:07 < rxr> I hate when people confiture their vim to store backup files....
20:07 < rxr> should we improve the build to ignore them ?
20:07 < _Ragnar_> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/67057 no free software at all in .fr any more, no http no ftp no apache ... nice, isn't it?
20:08 < mnemoc> reason?
20:08 < rxr> 7
20:09 < _Ragnar_> copyright
20:09 < mnemoc> what copyright?
20:10 < rxr> mnemoc: according to thenews entry one must control the content transfered by software so that copyright violation is not possible
20:10 < _Ragnar_> the french governmest wants to criminalize software that does not check for copy-protection
20:10 < rxr> experts expect that then no open source could be used to transfer data since it does not contain such "filter code"
20:10 < mnemoc> wtf
20:10 < rxr> e.g. apache will deliver a one-others.mp3 just fine
20:11 < _Ragnar_> also they explicitly want to outlaw open soure media players
20:11 < mnemoc> mod_stupid_french_law.so ?
20:11 < rxr> whereas the new "to be enfoced" low around xmas stats the software must permit this
20:11 < rxr> mnemoc: dooing sleep(2) on each connect as ISS does ? ,-)
20:12 < rxr> filled with 200kB /dev/null data so the law enforcement has something to review ?
20:12 < _Ragnar_> also criminalizes talking about removing copy protection and security research
20:12 < rxr> /dev/random even - sorry
20:12 < mnemoc> are knife factories guilty of crimes done with knifes at france?
20:12 < rxr> mnemoc: at least gun factories are not in the US ...
20:12 < rxr> a gun for everyone so one can fight his how house ...
20:14 < rxr> #!/usr/bin/perl^M
20:14 < rxr> ^M
20:14 < rxr> who the hack wrote the file in a windows editor ... ????
20:15 < mnemoc> sed -i 's,\r,,g' :)
20:16 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
20:16 < Xenos> :))))))))
20:18 < rxr> what are you laughing about ?
20:20 < mnemoc> Results 1 - 10 of about 1,680,000 for french stupidity. (0.42 seconds)
20:20 < rxr> hm
20:20 < rxr> the sending side has unix encoding
20:20 < mnemoc> cvs at a windows server?
20:20 < rxr> why does a scp convert this to pee sea / DOS line ending ...
20:20 < rxr> nope - scp, from switzerland to germany ...
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20:29 < SerWou> good evening the chan
20:34 < mnemoc> hi SerWou
20:34 < SerWou> how are you today ?
20:34 < rxr> yep - welcome sw
20:35 < _Ragnar_> hi hi
20:36 < misl> yuck, CIA has missed my eclipse update.
20:37 < mnemoc> updatE?
20:38 < SerWou> hello rxr
20:38 * Xenos found white BUT very fast gtk2 theme!
20:39 < mnemoc> url?
20:39 < Xenos> http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=32252&file1=32252-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=BrushedC
20:39 < Xenos> the fastest i think
20:40 < Xenos> the fastest i've never used
20:40 < Xenos> ;>
20:42 < Xenos> but wanna get a dark one :/
20:47 < misl> mnemoc: sorry not update but commit. :)
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20:54 < rxr> Mehrere kritische L?cken in PDF-Betrachtern Xpdf, GPdf und KPDF
20:55 < mnemoc> o.o
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21:01 < mnemoc> wb vixen
21:02 < VEXation> )
21:02 < VEXation> hlo
21:03 < VEXation> can't find nice gtk2 theme :(
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21:21 < Xenos> mnemoc: ping
21:22 < Xenos> i found a nice theme, i'll use this one
21:22 < Xenos> http://art.gnome.org/preview.php?image=thumbnails/gtk2/GTK2-Tactile-Shot.png
21:29 < mnemoc> still too dark :)
21:29 < Xenos> :)
21:29 < Xenos> i love it
21:31 < Demian> yeah, too dark.
21:40 < rxr> OpenSPARC: UltraSPARC T1 wird Open Source
21:40 < rxr> ^- huh ?
21:41 < rxr> Sun open sources the new T1 CPU ?
21:41 < _Ragnar_> yepp
21:42 < rxr> cool - so T2 on T1 FPGAs soon ?
21:42 < _Ragnar_> *g*
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21:52 < antimac> hi
21:55 < rxr> cu
21:56 < Demian> bye rene
21:56 < Demian> hello antimac
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22:01 < mnemoc> http://www.wanzl.com/www_root/Us_index.html -> contact us what 'branche' means?
22:07 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: how is the thing used to buy on a supermarket called in english?
22:07 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: the thing with wheels :p
22:07 < _Ragnar_> trolley?
22:07 < _Ragnar_> shoppingc cart?
22:07 < _Ragnar_> -c
22:08 < mnemoc> simpler form?
22:08 < mnemoc> trolley?
22:08 < mnemoc> cart?
22:09 < _Ragnar_> cart I guess
22:09 < mnemoc> thanks :)
22:09 < _Ragnar_> trolleys run on rails :)
22:10 < mnemoc> :p
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22:13 < Demian> wb Xenos
22:13 < Xenos> hi, Demian
22:13 < Xenos> i love my provider :(
22:14 < Xenos> laggss :.
22:14 < Xenos> :/
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22:23 < antimac> I like openboot
22:24 < antimac> Btw .. let's see how linuxbios is going.
22:25 < antimac> 3
22:25 < antimac> oops
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22:29 < Demian> umm.. yesterday.. 30 minutes with a new IP and website domain up, and i just saw googlebot trying to retrieve info..
22:30 < mnemoc> 10 minutes and script kidies scanning you :)
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22:38 < antimac> Huh, UltraSPARC T1 gets an OpenSource processor
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22:56 < CIA-9> amery * r13801 /trunk/package/perl/perl-libwww/perl-libwww.desc: * updated perl-libwww (5.79 -> 5.803)
22:56 < CIA-9> msluis * r13800 /trunk/package/java/eclipse/eclipse.conf: * Modified eclipse package to properly install.
23:07 < Demian> is there a way in svn not to lock a file, but mark it as "being modified", so other people could be conscient of this and take care.. but still being able to commit changes to it if he persists. ??
23:08 < Demian> i am thinking to use this for some binary documents, where svn is weak to perform merges.
23:09 < mnemoc> svk
23:11 < Demian> svk also keeps the existent functionality by subversion?
23:12 < mnemoc> it use subversion as backend, but all the rest is different
23:23 < Demian> umm. still there is a chance to used subversion for that.. and force unlocking.
23:24 < Demian> well, i ll try that feature later.
23:24 < Demian> bye
23:24 < mnemoc> bye
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23:42 * Xenos is away: dropped to bed..
23:43 < Xenos> 'night all ;)
23:46 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13802 /trunk/package/games/scummvm/scummvm.desc: * updated scummvm (0.7.1 -> 0.8.0)
23:48 < antimac> /quit
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