--- Log opened Fri Dec 02 00:00:03 2005
00:00 < Xenos> hello, rxr ;)
00:01 < Xenos> i made the last (i hope) screenshot of my fully-configured T2 ;> what's about of your email?
00:05 < rxr> sure - send it over ,-)
00:09 < karasz> got to re-start sleep cycle
00:10 < karasz> so cu later
00:10 < Xenos> rxr: i forgot it, sorry.. :/
00:10 < Xenos> cu, karasz
00:11 < karasz> i forgot
00:11 < rxr> Xenos: rene@exactcode.de
00:11 < karasz> mnemoc: or any spanish speacking guys out there
00:11 < karasz> what is che?
00:12 < karasz> no one?
00:12 < karasz> ok, the off i go
00:13 < Xenos> rxr: done
00:13 < Xenos> & i'll go to sleep
00:13 < Xenos> 'night all
00:14 * Xenos is away: dropped to bed.. -_-
00:14 < rxr> cu Xenos
01:10 < rxr> .oO(has now 15 channels open in irrsi ...)
01:13 < _Ragnar_> only 15?
01:13 < mnemoc> re
01:13 < mnemoc> karasz: pong
01:14 < mnemoc> karasz: 'che' is an argentinian-ism to say 'guy'
01:14 < mnemoc> karasz: or 'pal'... depending on the sentence
01:22 < rxr> mnemoc: dual core apple is not yet supported by linux :-(
01:42 < mnemoc> rxr: o.o
01:48 < rxr> mnemoc: master benh just got a device dump and ordered one himself - guess it will soon work
01:48 < rxr> and we can do pr to have the first dual core installable CD then ,-)
01:48 < rxr> *eveil grin*
01:48 < mnemoc> :)
01:54 < rxr> so - bedtime
01:57 < mnemoc> pray to saint benh
01:57 < mnemoc> sleep well rxr
01:57 < rxr> you two
01:58 < rxr> so - lot's of irssi windows closed ...
01:58 < rxr> n8 all
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02:31 < demian> hi
02:40 < mnemoc> hi demian
02:41 < demian> next week i will plan to integrate all services to ldap :s
02:41 < demian> scares me..
02:42 < mnemoc> nah
02:42 < mnemoc> isn't that hard
02:42 < demian> i consider the only hard thing is to setup an initial ldap directory... never did that.
02:43 < demian> but ive joined several services before with pam_ldap, mod?auth?ldap and that ones
02:44 < demian> migarte subversion, samba pdc, unix accounts, mail (with qmail i have no idea..), web auth, ..
02:45 < mnemoc> don't doubt to ask ,-)
02:46 < demian> maybe after that i could try t2..
02:47 < mnemoc> i have a target for that... is called menrva
02:48 < mnemoc> (but without apache)
02:49 < demian> what does it includes ?
02:50 < demian> dmanit.. after adding around 230 users by hand to apache mod_authz file.. someone told me about a tool for doing that automatically.
02:51 < mnemoc> runit,samba-ldap,qmail-ldap,posixacl,lvm,bincimap,djbdns,sasl2 and heimdal
02:52 < mnemoc> i want to add jabberd, but i haven't done it yet
02:52 < demian> really cool.
02:52 < mnemoc> it's not yet 'out-of-the-box' but at least has all the tools
02:53 < demian> that target is by default configured-- maybe having a look at that target packages i could take an idea how to integrate those services..
02:54 < demian> or the other way.. install that t2 target :p
02:54 < mnemoc> you would need to add to svn:externals to 2.1/target
02:54 < demian> and maybe give some help on it..
02:55 < mnemoc> to add two*
02:55 < mnemoc> and you could help me to improve it :)
02:56 < demian> archivista desktop embedded livecd reference uboot
02:56 < demian> bootdisk dreamcast generic psion-pda router
02:56 < demian> have those targets.. listed there ?
02:56 < mnemoc> it's external
02:56 < demian> svn url?
02:56 < mnemoc> mnerva http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/menrva/trunk
02:57 < mnemoc> mnemosyne http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk
02:57 < mnemoc> you need both, because mnerva is mnemosyne based
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02:58 < demian> how can i merge my existing t2 working copy with that source using svn?
02:59 < mnemoc> svn pedit svn:externals t2-2.1-working-copy/target/
03:00 < mnemoc> svn up t2-2.1-working-copy
03:03 < demian> umm..
03:03 < mnemoc> what is confusing you?
03:03 < demian> that command was literal ?
03:04 < mnemoc> t2-2.1-working-copy is the location of your t2 2.1 working copy :)
03:04 < mnemoc> the rest is literal
03:04 < demian> doesnt work then..
03:04 < demian> svn pedit svn:externals trunk/
03:04 < mnemoc> did you get 'vim' on pedit ?
03:04 < mnemoc> no!
03:04 < demian> yes..
03:05 < demian> not trunk.. ?
03:05 < mnemoc> t2-2.1-working-copy/target/
03:05 < mnemoc> 2.1
03:05 < mnemoc> the stable branch
03:05 < mnemoc> and target subfolder, not t2-root
03:05 < demian> jvargas@spica:~/t2> svn cleanup
03:05 < demian> jvargas@spica:~/t2> svn up
03:05 < demian> waiting..
03:06 < mnemoc> 2.1?
03:06 < mnemoc> grep sdever scripts/parse-config
03:07 < mnemoc> mnemosyne doesn't work on T2 2.2
03:07 < mnemoc> yet
03:07 < demian> relevant changes ?
03:07 < mnemoc> deep changes
03:07 < demian> i wont build, just take a look atm..
03:08 < demian> using 2.2
03:09 < mnemoc> full modularity, xorg7, broken bootdisk, udev, gcc 4.0 close to change to 4.1, weekly glibc update, ...
03:10 < demian> btw.. last time built a project working with gcc 3, and then tried it with gcc 4.0.2 and the runtime behaviour failed
03:11 < demian> viceversa.. from 4 to 3.
03:11 < mnemoc> you can't mix them
03:12 < demian> seems that gcc 4.0 assumed some '#include's directives.. with bultin functions or dunno.. but adding the #includes explicitly.. worked..
03:12 < mnemoc> did you get the externals? or still having troubles?
03:13 < demian> still doing svn up
03:20 < demian> i hope out inet provider increase bandwidth next week to 512Kb at least..
03:20 < demian> 128Kb is a crap.
03:20 < mnemoc> 64k here
03:20 < demian> poor one.
03:20 < mnemoc> and shared with a neightbor
03:22 < demian> jaja.
03:23 < demian> what kind of connection, isdn, adsl, ?
03:24 < mnemoc> he has cable, and i get there via wifi
03:41 < demian> ?
03:41 < demian> i left doing svn update on trunk.. and now it's updating also tags/
03:41 < demian> tags/2.1.0-rc1/packa ..
03:42 < mnemoc> ehm
03:42 < mnemoc> are you grabbing the whole svn tree?
03:43 < mnemoc> that doesn't make much sense :p
03:43 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1 t2-2.1
03:43 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-trunk
03:44 < mnemoc> svn pedit svn:externals t2-2.1/target
03:44 < mnemoc> svn up t2-2.1/target
03:44 < mnemoc> a usefull tweak after that is
03:44 < mnemoc> mkdir t2-download
03:45 < mnemoc> mkdir t2-download/{2.1-stable,2.2-alpha}
03:45 < mnemoc> ln -s ../t2-download/2.1-stable t2-2.1/download
03:45 < mnemoc> ln -s ../t2-download/2.2-alpha t2-trunk/download
03:46 < mnemoc> and when you do Download -cfg foo, always append -alt-dir ../t2-download
03:46 < mnemoc> so you get hardlinks to all common files
03:54 < demian> fucking subversion.. seems that a SIG_INT in this version doesnt respond..
03:54 < demian> i stopped it and i am downloading 2,1 tree
03:54 < demian> i got to go, let? talk about this later. thanks
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03:55 < mnemoc> wb madtux
03:55 < madtux> thx
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05:02 < CIA-11> amery * r13721 /trunk/package/mail/crm114/crm114.desc: * updated crm114 (20041231.BlameSanAndreas -> 20051001-BlameRaulMiller)
05:08 < CIA-11> amery * r13722 /trunk/package/mail/crm114/crm114.desc: * marked crm114 as Stable, and maintainship taken.
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05:30 < CIA-11> amery * r13723 /trunk/package/mail/crm114/parallelism.patch: * fixed parallelism problem on crm114
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08:57 < mtr> moin
08:58 < Xenos> moin, mtr
09:18 < rxr> moin
09:19 < Xenos> heh
09:20 < Xenos> hi, rxr, what about of my new screen? :) & what about of the screen-page? ;)
09:40 < rxr> yep - I know - I need to do the screenshot page ...
09:43 < Xenos> :)
09:54 < rxr> Apache 2.2.0 Released
09:56 < Xenos> yeah
09:56 * Xenos downloaded it 3 hours ago
09:56 < Xenos> but i prefer lighttpd..
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10:00 < CIA-11> rene * r13724 /trunk/package/base/module-init-tools/module-init-tools.desc: * updated module-init-tools (3.2-pre9 -> 3.2.1)
10:06 < CIA-11> rene * r13725 /trunk/package/filesystem/fuse/fuse.desc: * updated fuse (2.4.1 -> 2.4.2)
10:25 < CIA-11> rene * r13726 /trunk/package/x11/ (mesa/mesa.desc mesa-demos/mesa-demos.desc):
10:25 < CIA-11> * updated mesa (6.4 -> 6.4.1)
10:25 < CIA-11> * updated mesa-demos (6.4 -> 6.4.1)
10:26 < rxr> Error logs from reference-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-reference:
10:26 < rxr> [5] xorg/xf86-video-cirrus
10:26 < rxr> 4161 builds total, 750 completed fine, 1 with errors.
10:26 < rxr> and that is just my patch not applying anymore
10:26 < rxr> need a rediff ..
10:26 < rxr> trivial one
10:26 < rxr> do that after breakfast ...
10:26 < owl> moin
10:30 < rxr> moin owl
10:38 < owl> hi rxr
10:50 < mipe_> rxr: could you merge valgrind to 2.1 branch? or is it just r11541?
10:51 < mipe_> rxr: mnemoc sayed that its ok if its just changed itself ie no abi changes and no needed changes to ones that depend it
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11:10 < mipe> uhm, transfig errors out in wierd way
11:10 < mipe> install -c fig2dev /usr/X11R6/bin/fig2dev
11:10 < mipe> + mkdir -p /usr/lib64/X11/xfig/bitmaps
11:10 < mipe> mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/lib64/X11': File exists
11:10 < mipe> Copying bitmap files for tk to /usr/lib64/X11/xfig/bitmaps
11:10 < mipe> install: cannot create regular file `/usr/lib64/X11/xfig/bitmaps': No such file'
11:11 < mipe> /usrc/lib64/X11 -> ../X11/lib64/X11
11:11 < mipe> /usr/*
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11:15 < mipe> tho the link should probably point to ../X11/lib/X11 since most of the X stuff is there
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11:32 < rxr> mipe: when stable populats X11/lib instead of X11/lib64 there is a but in xorg I think
11:32 < rxr> maybe some change from trunk missing ...
11:32 < mipe> i
11:32 < mipe> i'm building 2.1
11:32 < mipe> ah yes...
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11:33 < rxr> are most libs in lib/ ?
11:33 < mipe> yep
11:33 < rxr> hm
11:33 < rxr> I did changes in that area
11:34 < rxr> I would have assumed they made it into stable ...
11:34 < mipe> IIRC most of them where on lib64 but didnt we change it because of fonts stuff
11:34 < mipe> to install lib
11:35 < rxr> no
11:35 < rxr> I changed just the fonts IIRC
11:36 < mipe> hmm, yeah you are right. I have bad memory...
11:44 < mipe> usr/X11/lib64 gets only populated by lesstif
11:45 < rxr> so stable misses the xorg lib64 modifications ... ?
11:45 < mipe> but xorg makes the lib/ symlink, but it should make lib64 link,shouldnt it?
11:46 < mipe> trunks xorg is on xorg/xorg-server?
12:03 < rxr> runks xorg is totally different
12:03 < rxr> it is the modular
12:03 < rxr> there are no such custom install things like in 2.1 ...
12:04 < rxr> you need to compare with the last revisions before xorg was removed from trunk
12:14 < mipe> yep, have to take a look next week, leaving soon for the weekend...
12:18 < rxr> ic - have fun then
12:18 < mipe> well, lesstif is fixed by not populating lib64, so it get installed to lib...
12:19 < rxr> lib64 is right however
12:19 < rxr> please do not commit
12:19 < rxr> let's tweak xorg accordingly
12:19 < mipe> hmm, so we want fonts to get installed to lib and other stuff to lib64?
12:20 < mipe> if so, theres a patch in xorg dir, that defines that we dont want to have lib64 hier
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13:38 < karasz> re all
14:22 < rxr> hi karasz
14:23 < karasz> oh
14:23 < karasz> hi rxr
14:27 < rxr> oh ?
14:27 < rxr> karasz: my dual core G5 is not yet supported by linux ...
14:27 < rxr> need some days to hopefully get a patch from benh ...
14:28 < karasz> o_O
14:28 < karasz> why?
14:28 < rxr> new chipset I think - mostly ...
14:50 < karasz> benh?
14:52 < karasz> benh from ppc?
14:53 < karasz> i mean penguinppc
14:53 < karasz> Benjamin Herrenschmidt?
14:55 < mnemoc> moin
14:56 < karasz> hello mnemoc
14:56 < karasz> :( gotta go
14:56 < karasz> be back in 1 hour
14:56 < mnemoc> cu karasz
15:01 < rxr> moin mnemoc
15:01 < mnemoc> moin rxr
15:01 < rxr> karasz: yes
15:02 * mnemoc survives his second days coming on bike to office
15:02 < mnemoc> but wife's bike is a bit short to me :(
15:03 < rxr> mnemoc: why now by bike ?
15:04 < mnemoc> walking i took 1:40h.... about 3h per day lost
15:04 * mnemoc *tired*
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15:06 < rxr> mnemoc: you always walked ?
15:09 < mnemoc> everyday last two months
15:09 < rxr> why?
15:09 < rxr> you took the bus before ?
15:09 < mnemoc> first days i took around 45 minutes, but the last i was over 1:30
15:09 < mnemoc> yes
15:09 < rxr> .oO
15:09 < rxr> why ?
15:10 < mnemoc> i need to reduce expences
15:10 < rxr> ouhm
15:10 * rxr needs to hire some people for ExactCODE ,-)
15:10 < mnemoc> bike will be a good thing when i get used to it
15:10 < rxr> yep
15:10 < mnemoc> and when i rise the sit
15:11 < mnemoc> i'm 1.92 and my wife 1.61 :p
15:11 < rxr> ,-)
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15:41 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
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15:44 < CIA-11> amery * r13727 /trunk/package/emulators/stella/ (stella.conf stella.desc):
15:44 < CIA-11> Leonel Iv?\195?\161n Saafigueroa :
15:44 < CIA-11> * updated stella (1.4.2 -> 2.0.1)
15:45 < mnemoc> yuck
16:00 < CIA-11> amery * r13728 /trunk/package/develop/bglibs/bglibs.desc: * updated bglibs (1.027 -> 1.031)
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16:10 < rxr_> re
16:11 < rxr_> mnemoc: ,-)
16:11 -!- You're now known as rxr
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: till when do I need to get ExactCODE big enough to employ one more ,-?
16:12 < rxr> I know, yesterday, but ...
16:12 < mnemoc> uhm?
16:13 * jsaw raises hand as freelancer ;p
16:13 < jsaw> re
16:14 < mnemoc> :D
16:15 < mnemoc> jsaw: thesis finished?
16:16 < jsaw> thesis is finished since about three weeks, I'm currently preparing for defense...hard core learning
16:18 < mnemoc> aditional papers also finished?
16:19 < jsaw> one's out in review process, the other one has to wait...
16:19 < mnemoc> :)
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16:25 < rxr> mnemoc: just because your bus expenses cut
16:26 < mnemoc> rxr: i need to find a better job
16:27 < rxr> wasn't that what I was talking about .. ,-)
16:28 < mnemoc> :)
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17:01 < demian> brb
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17:04 < mnemoc> jsaw: i don't understand why to did package support on Copy-Patch that complex
17:04 < mnemoc> jsaw: and neither why the result is different
17:04 < jsaw> ?
17:05 < jsaw> different results?
17:05 < mnemoc> -# T2 SDE: package/.../crm114/parallelism.patch
17:05 < mnemoc> +# T2 SDE: ./package/.../crm114/parallelism.patch
17:06 < jsaw> how did you invoke it?
17:06 < mnemoc> with ./ but old version (2.1) trimmed it
17:07 < jsaw> hmmm
17:08 < jsaw> I only inserted the package -> file expansion, it shouldn't change anything else....oO(?)
17:09 < mnemoc> my mistake... old version didn't hide ./
17:09 < mnemoc> but it should :p
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17:09 < mnemoc> jsaw: but why adding every file on $confdir/* instead of $confdir ?
17:10 < jsaw> wait a sec
17:12 < mnemoc> - for i in $*; do
17:12 < mnemoc> + for i; do
17:12 < mnemoc> + i=${i#./}
17:12 < mnemoc> ?
17:13 < mnemoc> or files="$files ${i#./}" ?
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17:15 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13729 /trunk/scripts/Create-CopyPatch: * remove leading ./, and tiny cleanup
17:16 < mnemoc> another thing... set $files
17:16 < mnemoc> $files can be empty
17:16 < jsaw> no
17:16 < mnemoc> yes
17:16 < jsaw> how?
17:16 < mnemoc> echo Cannot find \'$i\', ignoring. 1>&2
17:19 < mnemoc> and btw, there is a nice 'elif' statement :)
17:20 < mnemoc> set -- $files solves the empty $files issue
17:21 < jsaw> no really
17:21 < jsaw> not *
17:22 < mnemoc> not really what?
17:22 < mnemoc> [ "$files" ] || exit ?
17:22 < jsaw> a "[ $# = 0 ] && exit" must follow
17:22 < jsaw> :)
17:22 < mnemoc> :)
17:23 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13730 /trunk/scripts/Create-CopyPatch:
17:23 < CIA-11> * make it empty-argument-due-to-typo safe
17:23 < CIA-11> * further cleanup as requested by mnemoc
17:24 < mnemoc> files="$files $each/." <--- ? $each is a subdir then?
17:25 * mnemoc pissing off jsaw :p
17:25 < jsaw> just as it is done if no argument was given
17:25 < mnemoc> yes, but you are looping on $confdir/*
17:25 < mnemoc> so you add $confdir/*/.
17:25 < jsaw> no, $confdir/.
17:26 < jsaw> the * is in the repo
17:26 < mnemoc> oh, yes
17:26 < mnemoc> :)
17:26 < jsaw> but it's wrong anyway
17:26 < jsaw> could be a repo script...
17:26 < jsaw> the /. is wrong
17:26 < mnemoc> for each there is to use package-names patterns?
17:27 < mnemoc> confdir=$( echo package/*/$i )
17:27 < mnemoc> if [ -d $confdir ]; then echo known; else echo unknown ; fi ?
17:29 < mnemoc> i don't understand why that for :p
17:36 < jsaw> left-over from previous processing, change as you like :p
17:37 < mnemoc> i wasn't imposing anything.... just trying to understand the reason for that complexity :p
17:37 < jsaw> :)
17:39 < mnemoc> :)
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17:41 < misl> hi folks
17:42 < jsaw> hi misl
17:42 < jsaw> gotta go and c the family, cu
17:43 < misl> hibye jsaw
17:44 < mnemoc> bye jsaw
17:44 < mnemoc> hi misl
17:47 < misl> hi mnemoc :)
17:54 < rxr> hey misl
17:55 < misl> hi rxr :)
18:16 < misl> rxr: glibc still fails, although the cause seems different since the upgrade
18:21 < misl> :) I now have internet in my summerhouse as well.
18:21 < mnemoc> :)
18:22 < mnemoc> is 'summer house' a legal term? i see you passing more time there that at 'real house'
18:22 < misl> mnemoc: Only till januari :)
18:22 < misl> then the contract ends
18:23 < misl> hehe, but they don't want me to look for an other contract :)
18:23 < mnemoc> :)
18:23 < misl> they might offer me a contract in another of these offices. Thursday I have an intake in their Amsterdam office.
18:24 < misl> Then it will be a real summerhouse.
18:25 < mnemoc> :)
18:25 < mnemoc> but noisy will sleep
18:25 < misl> :( unfortunately
18:26 < misl> I should look for a 19" cabinet for some noise reduction.
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18:28 < misl> mnemoc: will it matter if noisy is only on daytimes? I hardly see access by you or rxr.
18:30 < mnemoc> i do fixing more than building there.... but my latency is too high
18:31 < mnemoc> rxr run his regression tests
18:31 < mnemoc> which don't need atendance
18:31 < misl> let's see how they did :D
18:32 < misl> nothing changes since 2 days
18:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: did you have files copyrighted to you somewhere on t2 tree? i can't find them now....
18:43 < _Ragnar_> moin
18:50 < misl> mnemoc: how is your eclipse package doing?
18:51 < mnemoc> fail on install... after .tar.gz is created
18:51 < mnemoc> it calls -jar startup.jar and froze
18:52 < mnemoc> i'll commit to trunk so you can review
18:54 < CIA-11> amery * r13731 /trunk/package/java/eclipse/eclipse.conf: * cleaned eclipse.conf, but still failing to install with kaffe
18:54 < mnemoc> i discovered i'm alergic to ant so... if you can take a deeper look, great
18:55 < _Ragnar_> for me it doesn't even compile - just loops forever
18:57 < mnemoc> o.o
18:57 < mnemoc> what java?
18:57 < mnemoc> 00-java-dirtree installed?
19:04 < _Ragnar_> kaffe
19:04 < _Ragnar_> and yes
19:05 < rxr> _Ragnar_: yes - kaffe-bin loops for me here on ppc as well, often
19:05 < rxr> _Ragnar_: what arch do you have that let's kaffe inf. loop ?
19:05 < _Ragnar_> athlon x86
19:06 < misl> mnemoc: I am afraid it will be a bit hard for me to have a look. I have no decent environment in which to build since noisy does not properly build a trunk target
19:06 < _Ragnar_> btw rxr didn't you say you fixed that /.libs/libacl.so prob in kdelibs?
19:07 < mnemoc> misl: try on 2.1
19:07 < mnemoc> misl: just svn cp eclipse
19:07 < mnemoc> misl: i test it on 2.1
19:08 < misl> mnemoc: I could try to emerge on noisy?
19:09 < mnemoc> does noisy has the proper enviroment?
19:09 < mnemoc> misl: i have an almost built desktop on my home... you could pkgsel java there
19:09 < mnemoc> but it's x86_64
19:10 < misl> define proper :)
19:12 < mnemoc> working java and ant
19:13 < misl> :) yes. I have latest sun jdk 1.5
19:13 < mnemoc> it would be nice to see if it builds with sun's
19:14 < rxr> cu all - /we all off for dinner
19:14 < misl> just started it
19:14 < misl> rxr: enjoy your dinner :)
19:14 < demian> cu rxr
19:20 < demian> are firefox and current browsers supporting TLS ?
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19:25 < misl> == 12/02/05 19:17:59 =[9]=> Finished building package eclipse.
19:28 < misl> hmm, eclipse flist is a bit short :(
19:34 < misl> mnemoc: This does not appear to be right
19:34 < misl> [mkdir] Created dir: /mnt/space/t2/trunk/src.eclipse.minimal-x86.20051202.19
19:34 < misl> 0848.30058.noisy/eclipse-3.1.1/plugins/org.eclipse.swt.win32.win32.x86/temp.fold
19:34 < misl> er/@dot.bin
19:34 < misl> There is Win32 in there
19:34 < misl> ohh, seems to be doing it for every arch. hpux in there as well.
19:35 < mnemoc> o.o
19:35 < mnemoc> -arch $arch may need mangling
19:54 < karasz> re hi
19:54 < karasz> hunting finished :)
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20:47 < karasz> Dilon's Cron `This is the standard cron distributed with most distributions of Linux.` ???
20:47 < karasz> what about Vixie Cron?
20:49 < mnemoc> vixie is the sucking standard
20:50 < mnemoc> is Dilon's Cron is 'dcron'.... it's far away from standard... it doesn't even support /etc/crontab
20:50 < mnemoc> if*
20:50 < mnemoc> http://untroubled.org/bcron/bcron.html#SEC2
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21:01 < karasz> teah i thought that vixi is the default, but freshmeat say that i thought wrong ;)
21:03 < mnemoc> fm doesn't even know what 'dilon' is
21:04 < mnemoc> http://freshmeat.net/projects/dcron/
21:04 < mnemoc> Dillon's Cron is a multi-user cron written from scratch, similar to vixie-cron but with major differences. Attention is paid less to feature-creep and more to usability and reliability. This is the standard cron distributed with most distributions of Linux.
21:04 < mnemoc> bah
21:04 < mnemoc> "but with major differences"
21:05 < karasz> :)
21:05 < karasz> fcron supports i guess crontab files
21:06 < karasz> at least he say so ab v 3.0 on the site
21:07 < mnemoc> i prefer bcron separation anyway :)
21:07 < karasz> i am not trying to convince you about anything here
21:08 < karasz> i am just trying to colect stuff to port to T2 when my machine arives
21:08 < mnemoc> i do :p
21:08 < karasz> interested in a list?
21:08 < mnemoc> sure
21:10 < karasz> http://karasz.pastebin.ca/32136
21:10 < karasz> mainly to Iso convertors , fcron and sylpheed-claws
21:11 < mnemoc> looks good
21:12 < karasz> btw beside being opensource and GPL'ed i should watch out for anything else?
21:12 < mnemoc> more important than license... which we can handle using [D] attributes, it's your willing to maintain them.
21:13 < karasz> ok, i understood that
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21:14 < sepp> moin
21:14 < karasz> i visit konversation.kde.org regulary
21:14 < karasz> moin sepp
21:14 < sepp> hi karasz
21:14 < sepp> someone tried a uclibc build lately?
21:16 < sepp> 1-pdksh goes in a inf. loop running "/bin/sh/*TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/diet-bin/i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc --version"
21:23 < karasz> yawn
21:24 < owl> my words. hi karasz
21:24 < karasz> hi owl
21:33 < demian> mnemoc: u have mike's mail?
21:33 < owl> hi demian !
21:33 < mnemoc> demian: mike@hsol.net
21:33 < mnemoc> hi demian, owlita
21:34 < sepp> what does "bash(Build-Pkg).sh(tools.c).open64:" mean?
21:34 < sepp> i mean tools.c
21:35 < demian> miss owl ;-)
21:35 < demian> how are things going owl?
21:35 < mnemoc> bash source file ?
21:36 < sepp> hmm
21:40 < sepp> open64: /dev/tty, fopen: /etc/passwd, open64: diet-bin/i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc, execve: diet-bin/i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc
21:40 < sepp> thats the loop
21:41 < CIA-11> amery * r13732 /trunk/scripts/Create-CopyPatch: * cleaned Create-CopyPatch patch generation, improved to preserve any Copyright (C) line on the note and added .lua support
21:41 < mnemoc> that looks senseless
21:45 < sepp> i have no clue what going on but i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc line 3 "exec i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc "$@"" somehow starts the loop
21:46 < sepp> with --version
21:46 < sepp> hmmm
21:46 < mnemoc> can you compare $0 and `type -p i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc` ?
21:47 < sepp> in debug.sh "/bin/sh .../tools.cross/diet-bin/i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc" - loop
21:55 < sepp> outside the sandbox i can compile a empty main(), inside i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc loops :(
21:58 < mnemoc> type -p i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc ?
21:59 < sepp> TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/diet-bin/i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc
22:00 < sepp> i can not run it from outside but "./i686-t2-linux-uclibc-nm a.out" looks good
22:01 < sepp> weird
22:02 < mnemoc> i have to go...
22:02 < karasz> bye mnemoc
22:02 < karasz> cu
22:02 < mnemoc> that should be controlled by wrapper's PATH mangling
22:02 < misl> cu mnemoc
22:02 < sepp> cu :)
22:03 < sepp> strace shows lots of open lstat etc ("")
22:05 < sepp> that seems to cause the loop inside the uclibc-gcc
22:09 < CIA-11> amery * r13733 /trunk/scripts/Create-CopyPatch: * changed Create-CopyPatch to use only one year when $since -eq $until, and improved copyright renewal to support this next year.
22:10 < rxr> re
22:12 < rxr> oh - lot's of scrollback
22:12 < misl> hi rxr, how was your dinner :)
22:13 < rxr> oh - great
22:13 < rxr> thank
22:13 < rxr> misl: how are you ?
22:13 < misl> rxr: fine thank you
22:14 < misl> seems like they appreciate me at work. They offered me something else after this project is done :)
22:15 < misl> but it will be in their Amsterdam office. Guess this will have implications for noisy :(
22:21 < rxr> misl: want to have noisy in a datacenter?
22:21 < rxr> ~30 EUR/month ...
22:21 < rxr> 1 HE rack-space, aircon and ups ...
22:22 < rxr> or we finally build some cabinet for the box ,-)
22:22 < misl> nahh, I want my own cabinet
22:22 < demian> an apache question.. is there a wildcard to indicate "any hosname" in the ServerName directive for a vhost ?
22:22 < rxr> yep - I think so
22:22 < rxr> demian: do you only have one? or many?
22:22 < misl> rxr: maybe add some foam on the inside to eat the noise.
22:22 < rxr> if you use have one you need no vhoat at all ...
22:23 < demian> rxr: i want to have several vhosts.. but if no vhost matches, the apply the "any" vh0ost config.. which always will be SSL, to eb more paranoic.
22:24 < demian> the point is to allow not-ssl connections from my trusted (specified) vhosts.
22:24 < rxr> demian: you need no additional vhost
22:24 < rxr> if none matches the default one is used
22:24 < rxr> IIRC this is just the first one you defined
22:24 < rxr> or so
22:24 < rxr> I can look that up if you need help
22:24 < demian> ill try and ill tell u after that.
22:34 < demian> vhosts are supposed to inherit configuration from global one ?
22:42 < rxr> to some degree I think
22:43 < demian> DocumentIndex directive is not being inherited..
22:46 * misl off to bed, sleep well all
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23:19 < mnemoc> rehi
23:19 < Xenos> rehello, mnemoc
23:19 < Xenos> :)
23:20 < mnemoc> demian: the first vhost read is the 'default' when no other match the request
23:20 < mnemoc> hi Xenos
23:20 < Xenos> :)
23:21 < mnemoc> demian: non-vhost config is passed to vhosts, so that could be considered 'inherence'
23:22 < Xenos> mnemoc
23:22 < mnemoc> Xenos:
23:22 < Xenos> http://newage.gcnet.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=266684
23:22 < Xenos> :)
23:22 < Xenos> check it out
23:23 < demian> [warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 443, the first has precedence
23:23 < mnemoc> you can't have vhosts and SSL
23:24 < mnemoc> only using pound
23:24 < mnemoc> Xenos: i'll not register
23:24 < Xenos> argh, sorry
23:24 < Xenos> 5 sec
23:25 < demian> mnemoc: may i specify a wildcard for certain network mask ?
23:25 < Xenos> http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-970-desktop.png
23:25 < mnemoc> demian: VirtualHost decition on apache is taken _before_ decrypting, and before decrypting you can't know what is requested
23:25 < demian> in a vhost.
23:25 < mnemoc> Xenos: you will hurt your eyes soon
23:25 < Xenos> :)
23:25 < mnemoc> Xenos: but looks cool
23:25 < mnemoc> :)
23:25 < Xenos> so small fonts?
23:25 < Xenos> ;>
23:26 < mnemoc> demian: you can specify what ip to listen, not what ip (network mask) to answer.
23:27 < demian> ok. but can i do specify a domain mane then, *.mydomain.com _
23:27 < demian> ?
23:27 < mnemoc> ServerAlias iirc
23:28 < demian> ok
23:28 < mnemoc> but that is _one_ vhost for all 1.2.3.4:443
23:29 < mnemoc> the second vhost on 1.2.3.4:443 will be _ignored_
23:29 < Xenos> mnemoc: r u about too small fonts? ;)
23:29 < Xenos> *about of
23:29 < Xenos> :)
23:29 < mnemoc> Xenos: 9pt :)
23:29 < Xenos> 8
23:29 < Xenos> :)
23:29 < demian> ok. i want a vhost for lan, and another for the rest.
23:30 < mnemoc> demian: bind them to different IPs
23:30 < mnemoc> but, as i said before, pound is the only elegant solution
23:31 < demian> da u think pound will simplify the filtering by IP and domains and that stuff, so apache just will take care about vhost config?
23:32 < mnemoc> yes
23:32 < mnemoc> and you get also load balancer for the same price
23:33 < demian> pound is very small..
23:33 < mnemoc> simple tools to do simple jobs
23:33 < demian> --enable-msdav ? this will have trouble with mod_dav in apache ?
23:33 < mnemoc> nope, pound is just a proxy
23:34 < mnemoc> but filters what it think can be undesired
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23:34 < demian> i mean.. it has a congiuration option.. do outside users and inside users go at the server by the same
23:34 < demian> name?
23:34 < mnemoc> in that case you tell it to let ms extensions of WebDAV pass
23:35 < demian> sorry.. dismiss that last line.
23:35 < demian> mnemoc: ok..
23:35 < mnemoc> demian: yes, iptables does the rest
23:35 < mnemoc> demian: 10/8 can reach :80, 0/0 can reach 443
23:36 < demian> in the vhost definition how does it goes? this way:
23:36 < demian> VirtualHost 10/8:80
23:36 < mnemoc> vhost is just a 'Host' header on an http request
23:37 < demian> VirtualHost 0/0:43 .. or a different syntax
23:37 < mnemoc> wtf?
23:37 < demian> gonna read sth. ill be back when i get sth..
23:39 < demian> ok. how can i redirect connection on port 80 to 443 inside a vhost config ?
23:39 < demian> Redirec / ???
23:40 < demian> Redirec / 443:/
23:40 < mnemoc> ??
23:40 < mnemoc> what syntax is that? what tool are you using?
23:45 < demian> could u try to test both http and https on testingsoft.dnsalias.com ?
23:45 < demian> it should tell an error message for connection on 80.. and on 443 see a stupid text web page.
23:46 < rxr> mnemoc: the 2.1.0 ISO does boot on a iBook - however not on an Mac mini
23:46 < rxr> for a strange, unknown reason
23:46 < rxr> but release it anyway
23:46 < rxr> I have not installed it - struggel enough to find what historic reason boots on the mac mini
23:47 < rxr> however the freshly downloaded 2.1.0-rc3 does also not boot on the mac mini - but on the iBook
23:47 < rxr> where the now re-find -rc3 from my shelf _DOES_ boot on the mac mini
23:47 < mnemoc> o.o
23:47 < rxr> so maybe it is just OS suX that misburned the CD in some evil way ...
23:47 < rxr> however - just move it to the release area
23:47 < rxr> it will work for most people I think
23:48 < mnemoc> done
23:49 < mnemoc> 8394df00a0097808b55ecc2a87b0911c ../../stable/2.1.0/G3/t2-desktop/t2-desktop-2.1.0-G3_cd1.iso
23:51 < Xenos> mnemoc: what about of 2.1.1 ? :DDD
23:51 < CIA-11> rene * r13734 /trunk/package/powerpc/mac-fdisk/mac-fdisk.desc: * updated mac-fdisk (0.1-12 -> 0.1-13)
23:53 < mnemoc> Xenos: :p
23:53 < Xenos> =)
23:55 < CIA-11> amery * r13735 /trunk/package/mail/qscanq/qscanq.conf: * fixed qscanq to do the needed chmod before installing (setuid)
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