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00:04 < jsaw> rxr: 1-groff:
00:04 < jsaw> cp: copying multiple files, but last argument `/scratch/src/T2/trunk/build/minimal-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-generic/usr/sha
00:04 < jsaw> re/groff/1.19.2/tmac/mdoc/' is not a directory
00:12 < jsaw> g'night all
00:26 < karasz> bye all
00:26 < karasz> gotogo now
00:38 < mnemoc> rehi
00:59 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13595 /trunk/package/base/groff/groff.conf:
00:59 < CIA-11> * create directory where docs should be copied to
00:59 < CIA-11> (fixes stage-1)
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02:19 < CIA-11> amery * r13596 /trunk/package/mail/nail/ (. nail.conf nail.desc): * added nail (11.25) - an enhanced mailx command
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02:48 < CIA-11> amery * r13597 /branches/2.1/scripts/Download: * merged 12846 from trunk: improved download/Me handling to allow patterns
03:04 < CIA-11> amery * r13598 /trunk/scripts/Download: * introduced Download -mirror auto to force mirror redetection
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03:37 < CIA-11> amery * r13599 /trunk/package/base/cron/00-updates.cron: * optimized 00-update.cron to run depmod only once per $kver
03:39 < CIA-11> amery * r13600 /trunk/package/base/cron/10-checksys.cron: * changed 10-checksys.cron to keep stderr
03:43 < CIA-11> amery * r13601 /trunk/package/base/bcron/ (00-updates.cron 10-checksys.cron):
03:43 < CIA-11> * merged 13579,13599 changed for cron to bcron changed 00-updates.cron to run considering what can be found at /lib/modules/ instead of uname -r
03:43 < CIA-11> * merged 13600 change for cron to bcron: changed 10-checksys.cron to keep stderr
04:05 < CIA-11> amery * r13602 /branches/2.1/package/base/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
04:05 < CIA-11> * merged 13579,13599,13601 from trunk: changed cron and bcron's 00-updates.cron to run depmod considering what can be found at /lib/modules/ instead of uname -r
04:05 < CIA-11> * merged 13600,13601 from trunk: changed cron and bcron's 10-checksys.cron to keep stderr
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04:39 < CIA-11> amery * r13603 /branches/2.1/package/mail/nail/ (. nail.cache nail.conf nail.conf nail.desc nail.desc): * merged 13596 from trunk: added nail (11.25) - an enhanced mailx command
04:42 < CIA-11> amery * r13604 /branches/2.1/package/textproc/text2pdf/ (6 files): * merged 13553 from trunk: added text2pdf (1.1) - a text file to PDF converter
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05:01 < CIA-11> amery * r13605 /trunk/package/archiver/alien/alien.desc: * updated alien (8.56 -> 8.59)
05:06 < CIA-11> amery * r13606 /trunk/package/archiver/dpkg/dpkg.desc: * updated dpkg (1.13.10 -> 1.13.11)
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05:10 < ojh> Anyone else having problems with the Nvidia driver? I have no hardware OpenGL on my TNT2 card.
05:28 < CIA-11> amery * r13607 /trunk/package/archiver/bzip2/bzip2.desc: * set [CV-URL] for bzip2
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05:49 < CIA-11> amery * r13608 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/planner/ (. mrproject.cache mrproject.desc planner.desc): * updated planner (0.10 -> 0.13) - formerly known as mrproject
05:56 < CIA-11> amery * r13609 /trunk/package/gnome2/planner/ (. planner.desc planner.desc): * merged 13608 from 2.1 branch: updated planner (0.10 -> 0.13) - formerly known as mrproject
05:57 < CIA-11> amery * r13610 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (libmrproject/ mrproject/): * removed mrproject and libmrproject because the project is now called planner, and the new package contain the libs
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09:12 < rxr> re
09:21 < rxr> hm
09:28 < CIA-11> rene * r13611 /trunk/package/kde/ (24 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
09:28 < CIA-11> * updated kdegames (3.4.3 -> 3.5.0-rc1)
09:28 < CIA-11> * updated kdebindings (3.4.3 -> 3.5.0-rc1)
09:28 < CIA-11> * updated kde-i18n-es (3.4.3 -> 3.5.0)
09:28 < CIA-11> * updated kde-i18n-it (3.4.3 -> 3.5.0)
09:28 < CIA-11> * updated kdeaddons (3.4.3 -> 3.5.0-rc1)
09:28 < CIA-11> * updated kde-i18n-de (3.4.3 -> 3.5.0)
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09:45 < misl> morning all :)
09:53 < rxr> moin misl
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10:32 < rxr> hi tilix
10:32 [Users #t2]
10:32 [ _Ragnar_] [ keinek_] [ mtr_] [ sepp ] [ tilix ]
10:32 [ CIA-11 ] [ misl ] [ owl ] [ SerWou ] [ valentin]
10:32 [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] [ Xenos ]
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10:38 < tilix> hi rxr
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10:55 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
10:55 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
10:55 [Users #t2]
10:55 [ _Ragnar_] [ keinek_] [ mtr_] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly] [ Xenos]
10:55 [ CIA-11 ] [ misl ] [ owl ] [ sepp ] [ tilix ]
10:55 [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ SerWou] [ valentin ]
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10:55 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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10:56 < valentin> moin
10:56 < rxr_> moin valentin
10:56 -!- You're now known as rxr
10:56 < tilix> rxr: I`m currently making a team to organize aKademy 2006 in Bulgaria. Do you think we have a chance to be selected from KDE e.V?
10:58 < rxr> tilix: I have no idea - I'm not that much related to the kde people and their internals ... :-(
11:09 < rxr> valentin: do you plan to come over before lunch or in the afternoon ?
11:11 < valentin> i guess in the afternoon for i still have janna now
11:18 < rxr> bring her with you ,-)
11:19 < valentin> rxr: i could bring her and kerstin with me if you like :)
11:20 < valentin> however, i do not want to come with janna alone. there would be feeding trouble for sure
11:20 < valentin> well, i think i will wake up kerstin now, so i can dress up and leave soon
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11:39 < valentin> rxr: did you test kde 3.5 yet ? is it worth building ?
11:39 < rxr> it builds mostly
11:39 < rxr> but has shared files when installed over an installed 3.4 kde
11:39 < rxr> I have not startedd it yet
11:39 < rxr> but there are only minor changes over the place
11:39 < rxr> just a lot polishing and bugfixing - nothing really new
11:40 < rxr> we can take a look later on haudraufinix if you like
11:40 < valentin> well, why not ?
11:46 < rxr> focusing on commercial sucking os sutff ...
11:46 < rxr> valentin: do you want to buy a new (only 3 times recharged I think) 14" iBook battery from me?
11:46 < rxr> or should I ebay it ?
11:50 * Xenos is back (gone 12:02:41)
12:11 < valentin> rxr: if you think you get some money for it, ebay it
12:11 < rxr> it is new
12:15 < valentin> where did you get it ?
12:15 < valentin> and how much money do you want for it ?
12:15 < rxr> I brought it before the DMS because I thought I would keep the iBook longer
12:16 < rxr> the original iBook battery does not last that long anymore ..
12:16 < rxr> around 100EUR
12:16 < rxr> the resell price is 130EUR I think
12:16 < rxr> I paied around 110 due to my brother's job position ...
12:16 < rxr> I only used it 3 times or so - it is shiny new
12:21 < rxr> please tell me in the next minutes - because I would inject it into ebay if you don't need it the next minutes
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12:26 < valentin> well, i think i will not need it
12:26 < valentin> s/think/hope
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12:35 < rxr> hi karasz
12:36 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
12:36 < misl> hi all
12:37 < rxr> hi misl
12:37 < misl> hi rxr
12:54 < karasz> moin *
12:54 < karasz> hi rxr
12:54 < karasz> yesterday BigBlue visited me :)
13:04 < rxr> karasz: ,-) and ?
13:07 < karasz> let's say that around next april we could do a CELL port of T2 ;)
13:07 < rxr> ,-)
13:07 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8729219872
13:07 < rxr> ^- in the case someone needs a 20" CRT with 13W3 cable
13:07 < karasz> in the imediate future we can stabilize the PPC64 port...
13:08 < rxr> that would be nice
13:08 < rxr> I'm right now get rid of some "crap" and most probably get a dual-core Apple G5 PowerMac next month
13:08 < karasz> i am workin on achiving that rxr
13:08 < rxr> have I wrote crap?
13:08 < rxr> no no - this CRT is nice - go for it ,-)
13:10 < karasz> rxr i have some emotions regarding the boot process on ppc64 :(
13:10 < karasz> since it would be some blitzkrieg achiving that
13:10 < rxr> ?
13:11 < karasz> i will have an openpower in 10 or 15 days i guess with full access this time
13:11 < karasz> but it will be a rather short perioud this time
13:12 < rxr> why short?
13:12 < karasz> and i do not know how to manage it to not overlap with a busy perioud of yours..
13:12 < rxr> goes out to a customer ?
13:12 < karasz> yep
13:12 < rxr> ic
13:12 < karasz> i guess i will have a timeframe of around 15 days
13:13 < karasz> what do you tink?
13:13 < karasz> s/tink/think
13:13 < karasz> it is doable?
13:16 < rxr> yes, I think so
13:17 < karasz> do you have a timeframe that you prefer?
13:18 < rxr> well - I have not too important stuff on the TODO
13:19 < rxr> only some minor archivsta stuff and some uni related bits
13:19 < rxr> but right now enough other time slots
13:20 < misl> :( minimal-x86 and minimalx86-64 still fail on noisy
13:21 < rxr> misl: guess I should finally take a look, right =?
13:21 < misl> x86 in glibc stage0
13:21 < misl> x86-64 in gcc stage 0
13:21 < misl> :) If you could :)
13:21 < rxr> trunk or stable ?
13:22 < misl> trunk
13:22 < misl> /mnt/space/t2/trunk
13:28 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8729224167
13:42 < rxr> valentin: still around ?
13:43 < valentin> rxr: i prepare to leave now
13:46 < rxr> do you want to have lunch with us ?
13:46 < valentin> hm, when ?
13:46 < valentin> i will do lunch in the evening with kerstin
13:46 < rxr> well - we would start to cook some time soon - so arround when you would arrive
13:46 < valentin> what is it ? :)
13:46 < rxr> no yet decided
13:47 < valentin> i'll take a small portion :)
13:47 < valentin> for i just ate some bread, an apple and the remains of janna's carrots
13:48 < valentin> but i think i will be hungry again when i arrive in 1h
13:48 < valentin> sth else of importance ?
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14:02 < valentin> cu then
14:03 < rxr> cu
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14:19 < rxr> hey mipe !
14:25 < mipe> hi rxr
14:25 < mipe> just installed 2.1-minimal :)
14:26 < mipe> and about to install desktop stuff in few mins
14:33 < karasz> back again
14:34 < karasz> rxr i wanted to ask you about T2@Live
14:34 < karasz> how am i suposed to install from it?
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14:37 < karasz> damn
14:38 < karasz> windy it is :(
14:39 < rxr> karasz: the install is suppost to be integrated today when valentin arrives here
14:39 < rxr> you could install manually with fdisk, mkfs*, mount and then rsync - as well as chrooting and making it bootable
14:39 < rxr> next week there will be a @Live flavour that comes with valentin's installer
14:40 < karasz> ohum
14:40 < karasz> something like kanotix stuff?
14:41 < karasz> so right nou i can do only a manual install consisting in making the partitions and then copying the content og live to the proper partitions?
14:41 < karasz> but i don't get the chrooting part?
14:42 < rxr> if you want to install the bootloader you would need to chroot into the hd partition and run grubn
14:42 < rxr> e.g. from stone by the "install grub menu entry"
14:43 < karasz> now i understand
14:43 < karasz> oki
14:43 < karasz> offtopic
14:43 < karasz> anyone knows a good mp3 to ogg tool?
14:43 < karasz> win based :(
14:44 < rxr> I would not convert them
14:44 < karasz> why?
14:44 < rxr> they sound worser after the convertion due to even more loss of precision
14:45 < karasz> even if mp3->wav -> ogg ?
14:45 < rxr> of course
14:45 < karasz> silly question
14:45 < karasz> sorry
14:45 < rxr> 'http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8729236446&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT'
14:45 < rxr> 'http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8729240752&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT'
14:45 < rxr> 'http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8729243473&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT'
14:45 < rxr> in the case someone needs one of those ,-)
14:46 < misl> seems like rxr is cleaning up :)
14:47 < misl> or he needs money and/or space for something new ;-)
14:47 < misl> rxr:how is your octane build doing?
15:00 < rxr> misl: the octane is slow ...
15:00 < rxr> and I have some stability issue - we'll see
15:01 < misl> :(
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15:09 < mipe> oh rxr you bought SGI stuff?
15:10 < mipe> i'd like to get my sql SGI workstation, but those are pretty expensive
15:12 < mnemoc> moin
15:13 < mnemoc> karasz: audacity have a win32 package and it does the conversions
15:13 < mnemoc> "really rxr" *G*
15:23 < misl> hi mnemoc, mipe
15:26 < mnemoc> hi missile
15:27 < mipe> hi mnemoc,misl
15:29 < mipe> rxr: what kind of ocatane you got?
15:29 < mipe> octane that is
15:32 < rxr> octane - normal - not octane 2 - 2x195Mhz
15:34 < karasz> hi mnemoc
15:34 < karasz> buenas dias ;)
15:35 < mnemoc> buen_o_s dias karasz :)
15:36 < mnemoc> day is male, night is female :)
15:37 < karasz> hmm here night and day are female
15:38 < karasz> why is night female anyway?
15:38 < mnemoc> no idea :)
15:39 < mnemoc> night, darkness, moon.... evil.... women
15:51 < valentin> re
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16:00 < mnemoc> moin valentin
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16:16 < misl> mnemoc: Now I have a java related question for you :) , but first: how did building eclipse do?
16:17 < mnemoc> builds, but froze on install.... i haven't reviewed yet.... tar is returning -9 :)
16:17 < mnemoc> i could commit to trunk
16:19 < misl> froze :( commit :)
16:19 < misl> My question is:
16:19 < misl> In package/java/*/java-jdk-conf.in we have a postmake hook for stage 5. But what about stage 9. When emerging the environment variables are nog set.
16:19 < misl> should the same hook be added for stage 9 :)
16:19 < mnemoc> uhm? stage 5?
16:20 < mnemoc> i don't see the filter on that file
16:20 < misl> it says:
16:20 < misl> hook_add postmake 5 'jre_populate_profile'
16:20 < misl> that is stage 5 isn't it?
16:20 < mnemoc> nope
16:20 < mnemoc> it's level 5
16:20 < misl> uhmm?
16:20 < mnemoc> for sorting the hooks
16:21 < misl> ahh
16:22 < misl> Then I probably am doing something wrong
16:22 < mnemoc> if [ $stagelevel -eq 5 ]; then would be a per-stage filter
16:22 < misl> Ahh, good to know for next time :)
16:23 < mnemoc> :)
16:30 < misl> Either I am getting too old or haven't used this stuff for a loooong time.
16:30 < mnemoc> :)
16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: e17 download isn't at gsmp yet
16:31 < misl> mnemoc: when is /etc/opt/java/* loaded. During startup or login?
16:32 < mnemoc> profile.d/java should do the trick
16:32 < misl> probable not login since I do not have the proper env vars afterwards.
16:32 < mnemoc> add some echos there to see
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17:14 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - there is some syncin f*cked up
17:15 < rxr> I review this since 10 minutes but have not yet found out what's going wrong
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17:16 < rxr> ah - there we go
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17:19 < rxr> mnemoc: sync running - but since it stalled for some time already it will take some time++
17:19 < mnemoc> rxr: c'est la vie
17:21 < rxr> what was that in international english ?
17:26 < CIA-11> rene * r13612 /trunk/package/base/pciutils/pciutils.desc:
17:26 < CIA-11> * updated pciutils (2.2.0 -> 2.2.1) - updated the aging pci.ids on the
17:26 < CIA-11> way (we should update them more often!)
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17:29 < mnemoc> rxr: french :)
17:30 < mnemoc> rxr: life is that way
17:30 < rxr> ah
17:30 < rxr> hm - and nullmailer on my rs6k stalled
17:30 < rxr> strange
17:30 < rxr> day
17:34 < rxr> hm - some update mails are thrown away in the spam checker ...
17:35 < rxr> DATE_IN_PAST_48_96
17:35 < rxr> well - ok, ...
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18:03 < rxr> yay: http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=03071#0
18:03 < rxr> finally
18:03 < rxr> this means a nice news distribution over the days and nicely high load - every day ,-)
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18:04 < mnemoc> :)
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18:06 < mnemoc> 80 T2 63
18:06 < ojh> Any one else having problems with the Nvidia driver in T2 2.1.0 working? The GLX module of the driver will not load. I am using exactly the same config file as before that worked.
18:06 < sepp_> moin *
18:06 < mnemoc> did you inject the nvidia glx .so files?
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18:06 < mnemoc> moin sepp_
18:07 < sepp> hi mnemoc
18:07 < ojh> I just used the default after installing, is there a step I missed?
18:07 < rxr> ojh: tnt or so I read?
18:08 < rxr> ojh: the latest nvidia driver has no support for old chips ...
18:08 < ojh> rxr: TNT2
18:08 < mnemoc> anyway default nvidia on 2.1 doesn't support GLX
18:08 < rxr> make sure you do not use a too new driver
18:08 < ojh> IC :-/
18:08 < mnemoc> some manual postinstall actions are needed
18:10 < mnemoc> but rxr is right... it seem new nvidia driver deprecated old chips
18:10 < ojh> I think I need a GFX card with full OSS drivers and avoid the pain of propritory drivers.
18:12 < mnemoc> *ACK*
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18:12 < mnemoc> i also have mostly nvidia cards :\ sucks
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18:14 < rxr> mnemoc: ojh: this is why I never jumped on any nvidia train ...
18:14 < ojh> rxr: What do you perfer?
18:14 < rxr> ojh: first Matrox, best open source drivers at that time
18:14 < rxr> then Ati - up to 92xx
18:15 < rxr> since I need no more 3d power 92xx now up to 98xx is possible with OSS
18:15 < rxr> now I wait what vendor I can use next
18:15 < rxr> there is this open graphic card project that I hope will yield s.th. ..
18:16 < rxr> beside that I have a Sun Creator 3D which has open source drivers (reverse engen.) and a sgi box that I'm like be able to help hetting an accelerated X with
18:16 < ojh> rxr: Intel seems to be well supported, but they are not the most top line 3D chipsets.
18:16 < rxr> e.g. the sgi one does full GL in hardware - one only need to throw the gl primitives 1:1 into it ,-)
18:16 < rxr> ojh: ack - intel and via are possible with OS drivers
18:17 < rxr> I also mailed matrox, nvida and ati once every month to make sure I wait for specs from them ,-)
18:17 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr*
18:17 < rxr> well - I would buy Matrox Parhelia if they hand me the specs
18:18 < rxr> but I'll not use them with their "uglier than ATI driver junk"
18:18 < rxr> matrox was cooperative in the past - and their are only in high quality environments these days
18:19 < rxr> with mails like "we have this and that use case with linux embedded in this airport or university if we could use your card with IBM PowerPC or Intel IA-63, is it possible to get the spec to writ the driver" it is not too unlikely to get matrox handing the specs
18:19 < rxr> and I would even sign the NDA just to make the driver happen ...
18:20 < rxr> IA-64 of course
18:20 < _Ragnar_> if you have to sign an NDA you might now be able to release and OS driver
18:22 < rxr> that is seldom the case
18:25 < rxr> ..
18:28 < ojh> rxr: The TNT and TNT2 are listed in the README for the driver as supported chip sets. Something is wrong with the setup then.
18:28 < mnemoc> $confdir/pkgsplit(-##)?(-label)?.in with D_macro-based sed files?
18:33 < mnemoc> sweet.... after updating kde to 3.4.3, my one-level depender rescheduler rescheduled 3256/2 packages :\
18:33 < mnemoc> the misteries of [DEP]
18:34 < mnemoc> ojh: some files from /usr/src/nvidia must replace system one
18:34 < mnemoc> s
18:44 < mnemoc> i think i single pkgsplit.in to produce 'label: file' is enough
18:47 < mnemoc> pkg: file ---> pkg-label: file ---> pkg-label-ver.tar
18:54 < ojh> rxr: I'm rebuilding all te packages that touch the Kernel and recompiling Linux, then I'll see what's up with the Nvidia driver.
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19:11 < CIA-11> amery * r13613 /trunk/package/network/luma/luma.desc: * updated luma (2.1.3 -> 2.2.1)
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19:53 < mipe> hmm, shouldnt valgrind be -x86-64? and sun-jdk packages should be updated to _05 version, i dont think they provide older versions for download
19:54 < mipe> or patch valgrind to support x64 :)
19:55 < rxr> ?
19:56 < mipe> on 2.1 branch valgrind errors out because x86-64 isnt supported
19:56 < rxr> The Valgrind 3.0.X series supports the following platforms.
19:56 < rxr> x86/Linux: support is mature and almost complete.
19:56 < rxr> AMD64/Linux: support is new but fairly complete.
19:56 < rxr> PPC32/Linux: support is new, incomplete, but improving.
19:58 < mipe> yes 3.0 series but 2.1 branch is using 2.x series
19:59 < CIA-11> rene * r13614 /trunk/package/develop/valgrind/ (valgrind.conf valgrind.desc):
19:59 < CIA-11> * removed old, pre 3.0 ppc case from valgrind, since vanilla 3.0
19:59 < CIA-11> includes ppc support already
20:03 < mnemoc> is valentin standalone? or it has dependers?
20:03 < mnemoc> err
20:03 < mnemoc> valgrin :)
20:03 < rxr> no idea
20:04 < rxr> quite standalone
20:04 < rxr> only standard deps when I scroll over them
20:04 < misl> mipe: sun-jdk on trunk alread has _05
20:05 < mipe> yep, 2.1 branch doesnt
20:05 < misl> soon ibm jre/jdk will be updated too
20:05 < mipe> i just noticed it too, I didnt check from trunk
20:05 < misl> after that I will include the ibm 1.5 beta as weel.
20:05 < misl> weel = well
20:06 < mipe> java stuff needs to be managed somehow, i dont want to download i586 java version to install sun-jdk-150 package for x64
20:07 < mnemoc> only yours is installed, but until we get foo-% you have to download all flavors
20:07 < mipe> yep
20:07 < mnemoc> that's we i always considered abort on archdir population evil
20:07 < mnemoc> why*
20:08 < misl> mipe you could patch locally and throw the unneeded ones out. :)
20:08 < mnemoc> :)
20:08 < mnemoc> #[D] on your .desc
20:09 < mipe> oh have to go, hopefully my build doesnt abort during night, so i have fresh kde build on morning
20:09 < mipe> yep i did that...
20:09 < misl> cu mipe
20:09 < mnemoc> rxr: now we have zip autoextract.... what about compressing cvs/svn as zip to get a checksum?
20:09 < mipe> so off, i guess we see tomorrow...
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20:10 < CIA-11> rene * r13615 /trunk/target/livecd/build_image.sh: (log message trimmed)
20:10 < CIA-11> * optimized livecd image creation by using a smaller exclude list and
20:10 < CIA-11> some generic patterns
20:10 < CIA-11> * optimized the livecd by removing all share/doc files (hundreds of MB)
20:10 < CIA-11> * try to umount the dev and proc just in cast they are left from a
20:10 < CIA-11> previous C-c'ed Build-Target run
20:10 < CIA-11> * added time before the major blocks soe one get's an overview where
20:10 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - you think zip is not that touchy ?
20:10 < rxr> mnemoc: I consider using .zip on Un*x bad practice
20:11 < mnemoc> but about checksum-less files is a worse practice
20:11 < rxr> hm
20:11 < mnemoc> zziplib is not that ugly :)
20:11 < rxr> what do you mean with not that ugly ?
20:11 < rxr> did you look into this package I added from feedback during linux world expo ?
20:11 < mnemoc> as zip/unzip tools
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20:13 < _Ragnar_> hmmm somehow the glibc issue fixed itself O_O
20:13 < mnemoc> glibc-AI
20:13 < _Ragnar_> ;P
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20:16 < _Ragnar_> seem also less kernel modules fail
20:18 < rxr> ?
20:19 < CIA-11> amery * r13616 /branches/2.1/package/java/kaffe/ (kaffe.desc version.patch): * merged 12271 from trunk: updated kaffe (1.1.5 -> 1.1.6)
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20:22 < _Ragnar_> only had to disable rt2500, at76c503a, lazyfs and unionfs
20:24 < sepp> rt2500 is broken?
20:24 < sepp> well, i mean if it breaks linux26 ...
20:25 < _Ragnar_> I'm compiling with vserver
20:25 < sepp> ahh
20:25 < _Ragnar_> that's what breaks lazyfs and unionfs
20:25 < _Ragnar_> I'm not sure about the other two
20:25 < mnemoc> i run vserver+unionfs running
20:25 < mnemoc> without tricks
20:25 < rxr> you said it crashed and such ,-)
20:25 < mnemoc> yes :)
20:25 < _Ragnar_> strange since unionfs uses a vfs call with one less parameter then required
20:25 < mnemoc> unionfs sucks
20:26 < mnemoc> but the module builds and runs :)
20:26 < _Ragnar_> but we might have different vserver and unionfs versions;)
20:26 < rxr> until it crashes ,-)
20:26 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
20:26 < sepp> same with rt2500 :( that driver randamly dies
20:26 < mnemoc> yes, until it kills my server
20:27 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: T2 2.1... ie. vserver 2.0 and unionfs 1.0
20:27 < _Ragnar_> 2.0 doesn't apply to 2.6.14.2 ;)
20:27 < mnemoc> minute
20:27 < _Ragnar_> and unionfs is 1.1.1 in trunk
20:28 < mnemoc> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.14.2-vs2.0.1-rc3.diff
20:28 < mnemoc> 2.0 is vserver' stable branch
20:28 < _Ragnar_> that's 2.0.1 ;)
20:28 < mnemoc> just bug fixing
20:29 < mnemoc> if you want it for production, use vserver 2.0
20:29 < _Ragnar_> uh huh
20:30 < _Ragnar_> patch-2.6.14.2-vs2.1.0-rc7.diff seems to work fine, too
20:31 < mnemoc> sure, but it has lot of NGNET funkyness
20:32 < _Ragnar_> NGNET?
20:32 < mnemoc> of course Bertl does a great job keeping them very close to perfection :)
20:32 < mnemoc> network virtualization
20:32 < _Ragnar_> :)
20:32 < mnemoc> and COW
20:33 < mnemoc> when i get a minute i'll backport COW to 2.0
20:33 < _Ragnar_> ok:) *lol*
20:33 < _Ragnar_> COW is neat :)
20:34 * _Ragnar_ didn't know 2.0 doesn't have it
20:35 < mnemoc> Bertl doesn't trust enough on it yet
20:35 < _Ragnar_> ok
20:37 < Xenos> heh
20:38 * Xenos found an archive with 7000 fonts...
20:41 < rxr> nice
20:41 < rxr> Xenos: online ?
20:41 < Xenos> yeah
20:41 < Xenos> :)
20:41 < rxr> link ?
20:41 < Xenos> emm
20:41 < Xenos> 5 sec
20:41 < rxr> TrueType or so ?
20:42 < Xenos> i yhink all of them for "UNIX"
20:42 < Xenos> i hope, ClearType
20:42 < Xenos> :)
20:42 < Xenos> http://thelinuxbox.org/files/fonts.tar.gz
20:42 < Xenos> ~160 MB
20:43 < rxr> is that your box or a google hit ? ;-)
20:43 < Xenos> nothing..
20:43 < Xenos> :)
20:44 < Xenos> i was looking for some nice GTK2 theme
20:44 < Xenos> & found this link
20:45 < Xenos> can't remember where..
20:45 < Xenos> i downloaded 17 mbytes of this archive
20:45 < Xenos> 117
20:45 < Xenos> :)
20:45 < owl> moin
20:45 < Xenos> owl: hi
20:46 < rxr> 36,303,399 210.73K/s ETA 09:58
20:46 < rxr> moin owl
20:47 < owl> hi Xenos , rxr
20:47 < Xenos> heh
20:48 < Xenos> my speed is about 20 k/s
20:48 < Xenos> :/
20:57 < rxr> 165,351,423 207.72K/s ETA 00:00
20:57 < Xenos> :)
20:57 < rxr> that are many fonts
20:57 < _Ragnar_> ;D I get 130k
20:58 < rxr> I wonder how long fc-cache will take to cache the metrics and such ...
20:58 < Xenos> :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
20:58 < Xenos> yeah
20:58 < Xenos> but
20:58 < Xenos> are they TrueType?
20:58 < rxr> and I wonder how logn adobe in design will need to start with those on my Mac ...
20:59 < rxr> yes - .ttf
20:59 < Xenos> :(
20:59 < rxr> I think all of them
20:59 < Xenos> only .ttf?
20:59 < Xenos> :/
20:59 < rxr> think so
21:00 < rxr> $ tar tvf fonts.tar.gz | grep -v 'ttf$'
21:00 < rxr> drwxr-xr-x guest/guest 0 2004-06-07 10:27:57 downloadFonts/
21:00 < rxr> yep - all
21:00 < rxr> but that is good for me(tm) - I mostly want vector fonts
21:00 < rxr> what have you been looking for ?
21:00 < Xenos> pixel fonts...
21:00 < Xenos> small pretty fonts
21:00 < Xenos> cleartype..
21:01 < rxr> cleartype should be what ?
21:01 < Xenos> fonts :)
21:01 < rxr> well - try them
21:01 < rxr> I guess you find one lookging good for you
21:02 < Xenos> 137 mb downloaded..
21:02 < Xenos> but i think
21:02 < Xenos> there are no pixel-fonts there
21:02 < Xenos> :(
21:02 < rxr> no pixels fonts as in .bfm or so
21:02 < rxr> but why do you want them
21:02 < rxr> I try to avoid pixels fonts like the plaque ...
21:03 < _Ragnar_> bfm is pixel fonts? I thought that was just a binary encoding of the afm ?
21:03 < Xenos> pixel-fonts a very nice for flash, menus, desktop themes...
21:03 < rxr> plague even
21:03 < Xenos> for example
21:03 < Xenos> artwiz-aleczapka
21:04 < Xenos> do u know it?
21:04 < rxr> nope - link ?
21:04 < Xenos> http://artwizaleczapka.sourceforge.net/
21:05 < Xenos> i currently use them for my menus, terminal, & all appearance of my desktop
21:05 < Xenos> but i want something new ;)
21:06 < CIA-11> amery * r13617 /trunk/package/java/kaffe/kaffe.conf: * improved kaffe to make compatibility symlinks on $libdir, so eclipse find the right tools.jar and rt.jar
21:06 < rxr> mnemoc: /me looking forward to see eclipse.desc ,-)
21:07 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/terminus-font.html
21:07 < rxr> ^- Xenos
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21:08 < MisterN> hi
21:08 < Xenos> MisterN: hello
21:08 < Xenos> rxr: only one? :)
21:09 < rxr> we have more fonts
21:09 < rxr> but that is a fixed one I know off hand (because some one once told me hours how great it is ...)
21:10 < Xenos> :)
21:10 < Xenos> :/
21:10 < Xenos> /bin/sh: bdftopcf: command not found
21:10 < rxr> Xenos: you run t2? trunk ?
21:11 < Xenos> no
21:11 < Xenos> 2.1.0
21:11 < rxr> hm
21:11 < rxr> 2.1 should have it ...
21:11 < Xenos> with making my own iso..
21:11 < rxr> on trunk it is in a single bdftopcf package
21:11 < Xenos> 145 mbytes..
21:11 < rxr> ,-)
21:11 < Xenos> "_"
21:11 < rxr> ah - no - ghostscript?
21:11 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/ghostscript:ghostscript: usr/bin/bdftops
21:11 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/xfree86:xfree86: usr/X11R6/bin/bdftopcf
21:12 < rxr> and x ?
21:12 < rxr> .oOOO
21:12 < rxr> ah - no
21:12 < rxr> sorry
21:12 < rxr> me blinded
21:12 < rxr> (by too many computers and terminals ...)
21:13 < Xenos> :)
21:13 < mnemoc> xfree86 :D
21:13 < rxr> well - that is just a very old install
21:13 < rxr> it is in xorg ,-)
21:13 < rxr> we have no xfree86 package for a long time ...
21:13 < rxr> I just have no mid-old box handy ...
21:13 < rxr> at least not powered up ...
21:13 < rxr> only very old and very new installs ...
21:13 < rxr> in fact only the router is running a very old install - never touch a running system
21:14 < rxr> 21:14:00 up 209 days
21:14 < rxr> and that is my home router ....
21:14 < Xenos> mm
21:14 < rxr> .o(my electricity bill)o.
21:14 < Xenos> i found it
21:14 < Xenos> all is ok
21:15 < Xenos> heh
21:15 < Xenos> i'll test them on leafpad
21:15 < Xenos> :)
21:15 < mnemoc> rxr: what happened with jimmy? just disappeared?
21:15 < rxr> which jimmy ?
21:15 < CIA-11> amery * r13618 /trunk/package/fonts/terminus-font/terminus-font.desc: * updated terminus-font (4.09 -> 4.16)
21:17 < mnemoc> rock developer
21:17 < Xenos> heh
21:17 < mnemoc> author of bize and terminus-font
21:17 < Xenos> rxr: thanks a lot! :)
21:17 < Xenos> now i have so many sizes for RU locale
21:17 < Xenos> :)
21:17 < rxr> mnemoc: he left at rock times to freebsd because he got sick from rock ...
21:17 < Xenos> really great font :)
21:18 < Xenos> but i still need more STYLES of pixel-fonts...
21:18 < _Ragnar_> ah my problem with glibc didn't disappear
21:18 < _Ragnar_> glibc just doesn't compile without TLS any more
21:18 < rxr> what do you mean with "doesn't anymore" ?
21:19 < _Ragnar_> as in produces compile errors on x86
21:19 < _Ragnar_> x86-athlon at least
21:19 < _Ragnar_> with TLS it compiles fine
21:19 < Xenos> yeaaaaaahaaa
21:19 < rxr> ic
21:19 < rxr> Xenos: ?
21:19 < Xenos> megathanks to rxr :)
21:20 < Xenos> pretty font
21:20 < Xenos> :)
21:20 < Xenos> for firefox-look
21:20 < _Ragnar_> :D
21:20 < Xenos> for my RU locale.. ;)
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21:21 < VX> hmmm
21:21 < rxr> yes, VX ? you are welcome ,-)
21:21 < VX> but for x-chat this for is too big..
21:22 < VX> *font
21:22 < VX> :)
21:22 < VX> rxr: VX is Xenos
21:22 < VX> :)
21:22 < rxr> _Ragnar_: so I'll build athlon no-tls for you, to get it fixed ...
21:22 < VX> just testing new font on my irc-client
21:22 < VX> too big..
21:23 < _Ragnar_> I'd fix it too, but glibc is confusing :?
21:23 < VX> but, for example, for browser this is the best choice
21:23 < rxr> yes I know
21:23 < rxr> _Ragnar_: what was the error ?
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21:23 < rxr> can you repaste it ?
21:24 < _Ragnar_> errors in sysdeps/posix/clock_getres.c
21:24 < _Ragnar_> because of # define hp_timing_getres(res) (__set_errno (EINVAL), -1)
21:25 < rxr> ah - that one
21:25 < rxr> strange never saw that one
21:25 < _Ragnar_> weird tho
21:25 < _Ragnar_> # if !HP_TIMING_AVAIL
21:25 < rxr> do you know when trunk last build for that combination ?
21:25 < rxr> built even
21:25 < _Ragnar_> that's before the #define
21:25 < _Ragnar_> and the offending file has #if HP_TIMING_AVAIL
21:26 < _Ragnar_> so it should never get to that point
21:26 < Xenos> gg.. unpacking font archive..
21:27 < Xenos> rxr: terminus-font 4.16 released
21:27 < Xenos> u can update it ;)
21:27 < mnemoc> Xenos: [17:16:43] amery * r13618 /trunk/package/fonts/terminus-font/terminus-font.desc: * updated terminus-font (4.09 -> 4.16)
21:27 < rxr> 21:15 < CIA-11> amery * r13618 /trunk/package/fonts/terminus-font/terminus-font.desc: * updated terminus-font (4.09 -> 4.16)
21:27 < mnemoc> *G*
21:27 < rxr> ,-)
21:27 < Xenos> oh, sorry
21:27 < Xenos> :)
21:28 < Xenos> then u can add this nice font archive :DDD
21:28 < Xenos> for fun :)
21:28 < rxr> we can not add random copyrighted material ...
21:29 < Xenos> yeah, i know :)
21:29 < Xenos> just a joke
21:29 < mnemoc> Xenos: you can package it locally
21:29 < Xenos> :)
21:29 < rxr> (what I did for the matrox-mtx download is already barely legal)
21:29 < Xenos> :)
21:29 < Xenos> fc-cache: "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/downloadFonts": caching, 6758 fonts, 0 dirs
21:29 < Xenos> gigi
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21:30 < madtux> hello
21:30 < rxr> moin Miguel
21:30 < Xenos> madtux:
21:30 < Xenos> hi
21:30 < Xenos> :)
21:30 < owl> hi madtux
21:30 < madtux> Greetings Rene
21:30 < madtux> Xenos: hi
21:30 < madtux> owlita!! how is it going? :)
21:30 < Xenos> rxr: haha.. my poor gimp.. :))
21:30 < rxr> and - how long does caching take ?
21:31 < Xenos> about of 30 secs :)
21:31 < owl> madtux: having heavy headache. thx. y0ou?
21:31 < madtux> owl: enjoying weekend off
21:31 < owl> hehe
21:32 < Xenos> wow...
21:32 < Xenos> there are too many fonts
21:32 < Xenos> :))
21:32 < Xenos> heeeehaaa
21:33 < Xenos> but u can made so very nice labels with them
21:33 < Xenos> :)
21:34 < Xenos> 7th Service - really cool font
21:34 < Xenos> :)
21:35 < Xenos> time to tarbz2 them..
21:36 * Xenos is still looking for various free pixel-fonts
21:37 < rxr> Xenos: please post any useful thing you find - so we have a nice link list in the irc log ,-)
21:38 < _Ragnar_> :D
21:38 < Xenos> yeah! :))
21:41 < Xenos> yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaa!
21:41 < Xenos> i found smthng
21:41 < _Ragnar_> ;D
21:41 < Xenos> http://www.1001freefonts.com/
21:42 < Xenos> all types of fonts!
21:42 < Xenos> including pixel :>
21:44 < Xenos> suxxx :/
21:44 < Xenos> $$$-only.. =(
21:46 < Xenos> heh
21:46 < Xenos> :)
21:46 < Xenos> http://www.proggyfonts.com/index.php?menu=download
21:46 < Xenos> this is what i was looking for
21:47 * mnemoc doesn't change Andale Mono
21:47 < Xenos> :)
21:48 < Xenos> heh
21:48 < Xenos> really fonts
21:48 < Xenos> PCFs too!
21:48 < Xenos> :)
21:48 * Xenos is downloading...
21:49 < Xenos> heh
21:49 < Xenos> these fonts are really nice for programming/editors
21:50 < Xenos> anybody use zend studio/code browser?
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21:50 < Xenos> or no PHP-coders here? :>
21:50 < mnemoc> susan
21:51 < rxr> yeah - but no commercialied zend stuff
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21:52 < mnemoc> to me php is a nasty fat cow which shall be avoided
21:53 < Xenos> :)
21:53 * Xenos bookmarked http://www.proggyfonts.com/
21:54 < rxr> oh my god
21:54 < Xenos> :))
21:54 < rxr> the udev build output with colored [OK/ERROR] marks is rediculous
21:54 < Xenos> heh
21:56 < Xenos> rxr
21:56 < Xenos> i was looking for smthng like this: http://www.gimp.org/var/wgo-contest-current/200511241231326901.png
21:56 < Xenos> small text under the big 4 letters
21:56 < Xenos> nice "v"-letter
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22:18 < Xenos> :(
22:18 < Xenos> can't install these fonts
22:20 < Xenos> fc-cache: "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/new": caching, 0 fonts, 0 dirs
22:20 < Xenos> but there are 7 pcf.gz files :/
22:21 < rxr> fc-cache is not for pixel fonts AFAIK
22:21 < rxr> add them to your other X font pathes and run
22:22 < rxr> the mkfontscale whatever (look into /etc/postinstall.d or so xorg file)
22:22 < rxr> and then "xset fp rehash"
22:22 < rxr> good old X stuff ...
22:22 * rxr dinner
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22:35 < Xenos> :/
22:36 < Xenos> gtk didn't see these fonts..
22:41 < Xenos> any ideas?..
22:58 < MisterN> n8
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23:07 < Xenos> rxr?..
23:08 < CIA-11> rene * r13620 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/strnlen.patch: * added trivial strnlen to dietlibc - needed for latest u/dev :-(
23:10 < rxr> Xenos: no idea
23:10 < Xenos> :(
23:11 < Xenos> how can i "share" these font for gtk2?
23:12 < CIA-11> rene * r13621 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/parse-config-9:
23:12 < CIA-11> * removed noise from dietlibc build output, inject libraries only
23:12 < CIA-11> if there is no -c (less warning about unused libs) and marked
23:12 < CIA-11> udev to need -lcompat (as the latest version does)
23:12 < rxr> Xenos: google a bit about those font formats and x / gtk
23:12 < rxr> you'll? find out
23:14 < mnemoc> re
23:14 < rxr> the above is not enough for latest udev
23:14 < rxr> but latest udev needs config and so changes anyway
23:14 < mnemoc> Xenos: run the /etc/postinstall.d/ batery
23:14 < rxr> I apply the rest of "more features to dietlibc for u/dev" tomorrow
23:15 < rxr> when those are tested ...
23:15 < rxr> I'll go to bed now ...
23:15 < rxr> cu
23:15 < Xenos> bye, rxr
23:15 < Xenos> mnemoc: :/
23:15 < Xenos> no such dir
23:15 < rxr> and - btw - damn f*cked glibc does rebuild itself completely when it was built on my mips and I only applied a patch to a .c file and accidently to configure - reconfigured itself and rebuilds nearly everything
23:15 < rxr> damn crap ...
23:15 < rxr> but - well - that's glibc ...
23:15 < rxr> cu
23:16 < mnemoc> cu rxr
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23:36 < Xenos> hmm
23:36 < Xenos> nothing changed..
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