--- Log opened Thu Nov 24 00:00:00 2005 00:00 < valentin> thx 00:01 < demian> one cup here please.. need to keep me alive tonight. 00:03 * jsaw hands espresso to demian 00:06 < demian> is there another latin here but mnemoc _ 00:07 < valentin> forgot his name... 00:07 < valentin> keinek 00:07 < jsaw> madtux 00:07 < valentin> but he seems ofline 00:07 < valentin> ah yes madtux 00:07 < valentin> what about that sparc-kly ? 00:08 < valentin> not sure about him 00:08 < demian> ah, Mike1.. 00:08 < demian> it is still around. 00:09 < demian> he and another guys pretended another project branched from rock, dunt remember the name, it was gonna be based on perl. 00:10 < jsaw> sparc-kly[WORK]'s inet address is Puerto Rico 00:10 < demian> kleper.. it sounds me familiar from a colombian group named Gigax. 00:14 < demian> btw.. are u needing help with a package maintenance? 00:14 < jsaw> always ;) 00:15 < demian> tell me some of them which has no maintainer or where the load could be balanced, and i will see. 00:15 < jsaw> watch the t2-updates mailing list and start updating :) 00:16 < demian> trunk/source/utility? an external svn.. is it needed? 00:18 < demian> there are some external targets there.. ok. 00:18 < jsaw> it's needed for source/UpdateList 00:19 < jsaw> the output of it is fed into the "t2-updates" mailing list 00:21 < demian> first, going to install an iso, are the packages included in t2-live-2.2.0-alpha-r16.iso ready for building the current t2 source trunk packages_ 00:21 < jsaw> eh, go for "delta" 00:21 < jsaw> in the /ftp/incoming folder 00:21 < jsaw> I think it is installable 00:22 < jsaw> I'm afraid I have to leave now, 00:22 < jsaw> cu later 00:22 < demian> cya jsaw , thank 00:26 < demian> is athlon-xp optimization archs supporting sempron too ? 00:26 < demian> s/is/are 00:30 < demian> got to go. 00:31 < demian> bye 00:31 -!- demian [n=demian@adslnat-rai-cartago-133.ice.co.cr] has left #t2 [] 00:42 < sepp_> moin * :) 00:42 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 00:49 < CIA-11> sebastian * r13561 /trunk/package/graphic/inkscape/inkscape.desc: * updated inkscape (0.42.2 -> 0.43) 01:18 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.55] has joined #t2 01:19 < sepp> gn8 * 01:53 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AF86B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 02:03 -!- SerWou [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 02:06 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AFCB26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:51 -!- Netsplit herbert.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Xenos 03:53 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.55] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:55 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.55] has joined #t2 04:14 -!- kleper [n=kleper@200.30.69.177] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:54 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has joined #t2 04:54 < madtux> hello 04:56 < mnemoc> hi 04:56 < SerWou> hello guys 04:57 < madtux> greetings SerWou 04:58 < SerWou> how are you madtux ? 05:08 < SerWou> gonna sleep 5ham here, see you later 05:10 < madtux> i am good. night SerWou 06:04 < CIA-11> amery * r13562 /branches/2.1/ (misc/share/REGISTER scripts/Check-PkgFormat): 06:04 < CIA-11> * partially merged 8597 from trunk: registered and added APSL - Apple Public Source License 06:04 < CIA-11> * merged 10665 from trunk: registered and added APL - The Apache License 06:04 < CIA-11> * merged 11507 from trunk: registered and added Artistic license 06:46 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:19 < rxr> re 07:40 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178158112.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 07:40 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-) 07:40 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005] 07:40 [Users #t2] 07:40 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] 07:40 [ CIA-11 ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sepp] [ sparc-kly] [ valentin ] 07:40 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal] 07:40 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 07:40 -!- [freenode-info] Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked, except to network staff, to services (NickServ, etc.), and to registered users who have unblocked them. 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Please see the freenode website for more information: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 12:03 < karasz> moin all 12:04 < karasz> rxr: why live delta has the date 9 nov? 12:04 -!- boppel [n=mike@88.134.0.123] has joined #t2 12:05 < boppel> hi there 12:07 < boppel> I have some problems compiling the lates 2.2alpha release on my opensuse 10.0 system. 12:07 < boppel> I get some compile errors: ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/lowlevellock.c:29: error: conflicting types for '__lll_lock_wait' 12:07 < boppel> ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/lowlevellock.h:227: error: previous declaration of '__lll_lock_wait' was here 12:07 < boppel> Due to previous errors, no 1-glibc.log file! 12:07 < boppel> has anybody an idea what I did wrong? 12:08 < valentin> hi boppel. 12:08 < valentin> what is the system you compile for 12:08 < valentin> ? 12:08 < boppel> hi valentin 12:08 < boppel> x86 12:09 < boppel> generic and minimal 12:09 < valentin> did glibc fail in stage 0 or stage 1 ? 12:09 < boppel> no other changes in the config made 12:09 < boppel> good question :) 12:09 < boppel> how can I check out the stage? 12:10 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:10 < valentin> on the console, you see a red line for each package built 12:10 < valentin> what does it say ? 12:10 < boppel> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-glibc.out -> 1-glibc.err 12:10 < boppel> == 11/24/05 10:50:16 =[1]=> Aborted building package glibc. 12:10 < valentin> so it was stage 1 12:10 < valentin> interessting, that is supposed to work ;) 12:11 < boppel> perfect :) 12:11 < karasz> damn 12:11 < boppel> any ideas? 12:11 < valentin> i would say it is a 'normal' compile error, but it is interessting that noone else got that before afaik 12:11 < boppel> all previous packes compiled just fine. 12:11 < valentin> hi karasz 12:11 < karasz> hi valentin 12:12 < karasz> does anybody know why the delta iso is labeled 9 november 12:12 < karasz> ? 12:12 < valentin> anyone here who did a recent build of 2.2-alpha for x86 ? 12:12 < valentin> what is labeled nov 9 ? 12:13 < boppel> I just gave it a try but was not successful 12:14 < karasz> valentin: t2-live-2.2.0-delta.iso 09-Nov-2005 19:04 655M 12:14 < karasz> it is suposed to be the release that rxr just put up 12:14 < valentin> ouhm - i guess rxr rsynced that file from an older copy 12:14 < valentin> so the date is still the old one 12:14 < karasz> so it is not the last delta? 12:15 < valentin> karasz: it is 12:15 < karasz> ahmm but the file is new? 12:15 < karasz> just with the date messed up? 12:15 < valentin> just download and try - it is the recent version 12:15 < valentin> i think so 12:15 < karasz> oki 12:15 < valentin> we could wait till rxr shows up, but i guess he just did an rsync and renamed that file afterwards 12:16 < valentin> boppel: what settings did you do in scripts/Config ? 12:16 < valentin> just selecting the target ? 12:16 < karasz> he said something about rsync the other day 12:16 < boppel> yes. 12:16 < valentin> no processor settings etc ? 12:17 < valentin> i just ask, because i can try to reproduce that error using the same config 12:17 < rxr> re 12:17 < boppel> is there a kind of make clean? 12:17 < valentin> hi rxr, what settings do you use to build 2.2 ? 12:18 < boppel> so I can redo all my settings 12:18 < rxr> well - all kinds of settings do work 12:18 < valentin> boppel: there is ./scripts/Cleanup that deletes unfinished packages 12:18 < valentin> with ./scripts/Cleanup --full you even delete build outputs 12:18 < rxr> the delta is some days old because it was finished before linux world expo and I just managed to release it today ... 12:18 < valentin> the configs are stored in ./config/... 12:19 < valentin> boppel: you could either move the config subdir to some other name or do a ./scripts/Config -cfg 12:19 < valentin> and specify -cfg <..> for each other script command you execute 12:19 < valentin> but i do not think you need to ... 12:19 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0511/41825.html 12:20 < boppel> ok - give me a second 12:20 < valentin> it should be config/default if you did not specify a -cfg 12:21 < rxr> valentin: I can shortly phone you, right ? 12:21 < valentin> in one minute 12:22 < valentin> ok 12:22 < boppel> config: x86 (generic) target (generic) (minimal) 12:22 < rxr> hehehe 12:22 < boppel> no other changes made to the default 12:26 < boppel> valentin: I did a ./scripts/Build-Target --cfg system 12:27 < valentin> boppel: did you do ./scripts/Config -cfg system too ? 12:29 < jsaw> g'morning 12:30 < jsaw> :) 12:30 < valentin> hi jsaw 12:30 < jsaw> hi valentin 12:31 < boppel> yes 12:32 < jsaw> rxr: is it possible to let fccache being run without recording the files? 12:33 < jsaw> rxr: the reason I ask is becaus gaphor fails, xvfg-run cannot find any fonts... 12:33 < jsaw> xvfb* 12:37 < valentin> boppel: i will try to reproduce that error 12:38 < boppel> valentin: perfect . thank you very much 12:45 < rxr> oeh 12:45 < rxr> jsaw: yes, we could add the files to flistdel ... 12:47 < jsaw> rxr: nothing easier, like switching of flist temporarily? 12:47 < jsaw> hmm... 12:47 < rxr> jsaw: nope because one might use strace or another method we have not written yet 12:47 < rxr> flistdel is easy ... 12:47 < rxr> let me do it 12:47 < rxr> valentin: jsaw: I have a t2 trunk that is building a c++ cross compiler on my subnotebook ,-)!!! 12:48 < rxr> I think I'll split up the gcc package into gcc (holding all compilers), and the support libs, such as gcc-libstdc++ gcc-libjava gcc-libobjc (or so) and gcc-libada-whatever 12:48 < rxr> is that ok or some veto votes ? 12:51 < jsaw> rxr: thanks 12:51 < jsaw> no veto from my side. 12:52 < valentin> none from mine. but what is the specific reason to do that ? 12:53 < rxr> mostly technically 12:53 < rxr> for libstdc++ you need the system c library 12:53 < rxr> that is also the reason why we have no c++ cross compiler yet 12:53 < rxr> so we have 0-gcc - the C cross compiler - on my laptop that is also building a C++ compiler now 12:54 < rxr> then we build 1-glibc, the system C library and only after that point we could build libstdc++ 12:54 < rxr> it is a bit nicer to do when it is a seperate pacakge 12:55 < rxr> also it is handy to decide to not install the java and objc runtimes and you later on notice you need the java one e.g. just for pdftk and want to build it 12:55 < rxr> as single package it saves you a lot of cpu cycles just to build that one 12:55 < rxr> simillar for the objc and ada cases ... 12:57 < SerWou> hello rxr 13:01 < rxr> hi SerWou 13:02 < rxr> valentin: this new AMD Geode box works - and with some trickery and the right USB port boots from ext. USB DVD-ROM ... 13:05 < rxr> vendor_id : AuthenticAMD 13:06 < rxr> cpu family : 5 13:06 < rxr> model : 10 13:06 < rxr> model name : Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS 13:06 < rxr> cpu MHz : 498.137 13:14 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 13:14 < Xenos> hi all 13:14 < Xenos> oh eh... 13:14 < Xenos> some troubles with my ISP :) 13:15 < karasz> rxr for what it worth i am pro splitting packages :) 13:17 < Xenos> karasz: hi? :) 13:18 < karasz> hi Xenos 13:30 < rxr> hi karasz 13:34 < CIA-11> rene * r13563 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.1 -> 0.9.2) 13:36 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.121] has joined #t2 13:36 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.16] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:36 < valentin> rxr: where was t2 trunk on haudraufinix again ? 13:36 < rxr> /mnt/space/src/t2-trunk 13:37 < valentin> is it up to date ? 13:38 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 13:38 < Xenos> mnemoc: hi 13:44 < rxr> valentin: mostly 13:44 < rxr> please note that there are a lot of configs and bvuilds 13:45 < rxr> please use an obvious name e.g. valentin-* 13:45 < rxr> l config/ | wc -l 13:45 < rxr> 31 13:45 < valentin> i used the name boppel :) 13:45 < valentin> i will clean up in case this test will not show up results 13:47 < rxr> http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/rr4-2.65.png 13:48 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 13:48 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has quit [Client Quit] 13:49 < rxr> valentin: that gentoo install looks selfmade, or is it based on some other code base ? 13:49 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 13:50 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has quit [Client Quit] 13:50 < Xenos> hmm 13:52 < valentin> this screenshot takes ages to load 13:52 < valentin> nothing i know 13:53 < valentin> i wonder why they have this fixed order for all the system config stuff.. 13:53 < valentin> bbl 13:54 < valentin> boppel: i tell you about my results in half an hour or so... 14:03 < Xenos> hm 14:03 < Xenos> nice small fonts needed :) 14:03 < Xenos> except artwiz-aleczapka 14:05 < rxr> jsaw: fontdel added to xorg 14:05 < rxr> revision 13564. 14:06 < CIA-11> rene * r13564 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/modular-x-conf.in: 14:06 < CIA-11> * improved xorg-server/modular-x-conf.in to not disable font cache runs 14:06 < CIA-11> but remove the files from the flist, thus in-build virtual X 14:06 < CIA-11> invocations have them 14:06 < rxr> valentin: load average: 6.45, 6.11, 4.97 14:07 < jsaw> rxr: testing... 14:08 < rxr> jsaw: seems to work here ... 14:08 < jsaw> rxr: nice :) 14:09 < rxr> valentin: please take care working on haudraufinix - there are bits of experimental, non-working and so on stuff all over the tree ... 14:09 < rxr> valentin: do not accidently commit those ... 14:09 < rxr> (but they will not hinder your build - mosts are unplished NOPs ...) 14:12 * rxr hunting something for lunch - cu 14:13 < rxr> 4133 builds total, 1510 completed fine, 43 with errors. 14:13 < rxr> Error logs from reference-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-reference: 14:27 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@83.179.202.143] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:29 < valentin> == 11/24/05 14:17:26 =[0]=> Aborted building package gcc. 14:30 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@83.179.202.143] has joined #t2 14:31 < rxr> ah well 14:31 < rxr> let me revert that change 14:31 < rxr> the only intrusive one 14:32 < rxr> done 14:32 < rxr> - var_append confopt " " "--enable-languages=c --disable-libmudflap" 14:32 < rxr> + var_append confopt " " "--enable-languages=c,c++ --disable-libmudflap" 14:32 < rxr> just a test in the morning 14:32 < rxr> the real work is as I wrote on the notebook 14:32 < rxr> just restart your build ,-) 14:33 < rxr> btw. I removed the alternative styles from the t2 page 14:33 < rxr> IE does not like it 14:33 < rxr> I'll add javascript to select it IE friendly later on 14:33 < rxr> but might needs days ... 14:39 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.55] has joined #t2 14:41 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13565 /trunk/package/graphic/hermes/ (gcc4.patch hermes.conf): 14:41 < CIA-11> * change the gcc4.patch (one cannot ignore the underscored functions) 14:41 < CIA-11> * add .conf, rebuild autofluff due to a lot of errors during build 14:41 < CIA-11> (This fixes clanlib06 build, at least the hermes detection) 14:47 < jsaw> ok, clanlib06 build, now maybe pingus builds also 14:47 < jsaw> gotta go, cu late(r) 14:49 < mnemoc> moin! 14:49 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 14:50 < rxr> moin mnemoc ! 14:50 < mnemoc> moin rxr 14:51 < rxr> mnemoc: split up of gcc in trun ? 14:51 < rxr> trunk even 14:51 < rxr> asked about the 2h scrollback or so ... 14:54 < mnemoc> rxr: shouldn't we wait for a proper implementation of foo-% before adding hacks..... rock-style? 14:59 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.203.103.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 15:18 < CIA-11> amery * r13566 /branches/2.1/package/security/clamav/clamav.desc: * merged 11946,13325 from trunk: updated clamav (0.86.2 -> 0.87.1) 15:19 < rxr> mnemoc: well - the usual . .../gcc-base.in stuff ... 15:19 < rxr> not too much of a hack 15:20 < rxr> and I find clean packages way more attractive than rock style #ifdef jungle ... 15:23 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 15:23 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.206.39.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:41 < rxr> mnemoc: have you noticed the pr machinery going over at golem ? http://www.golem.de/0511/41825.html 15:49 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:51 < mnemoc> rxr: ha, yes gcc-conf.in would be good :) 15:52 < mnemoc> rxr: is 'ji' friend of you? 16:04 < rxr> that is a longer storry - but not friend as in you or valentin ,-) 16:04 < rxr> mnemoc: well - it is technically possible to hack c++ cross compiler build into the existing package layout 16:05 < rxr> so I do just that (one patch and a conditional wrapper removal due to libtool uglyness) 16:05 < rxr> that is basically to get a C++ crosscompiler with runtime library from the already quite nice cross support in t2 ... 16:05 < mnemoc> sounds good 16:06 < rxr> yeah - cross compile even more ,-) 16:07 < mnemoc> :) 16:08 < mnemoc> i'm having fun with java/ooo and _eclipse_ right now.... while KDE update is tested on 2.1 16:08 < rxr> you package eclipse ? 16:08 < mnemoc> i'm on it 16:08 < rxr> I think soon we have conditions to release a nice t2 based thing per week 16:08 < rxr> montly trunk, 2.1 and live build ,-) 16:08 < mnemoc> we need more build power to do that 16:10 < rxr> well - with regression hunting / ref build moved off to mintos box ,-) 16:10 < rxr> I have some more spare bits 16:11 < mnemoc> can you try to fix desktop@amd64 and bootdisk@amd64? 16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: on 2.1 I guess ... ? 16:11 < rxr> yeah - I can 16:11 < mnemoc> of course 16:11 < rxr> desktop is broken in what way ? 16:12 < mnemoc> a few broken packages 16:12 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. I have a 1W (power consumption) AMD Geode LX box on my desk for testing now ... 16:12 < mnemoc> Error logs from desktop-2.1-stable-x86-64-desktop: 16:12 < mnemoc> [5] base/mtools [5] graphic/transfig [5] multimedia/dvbd [5] editors/emacs [5] develop/valgrind [5] develop/mono [5] mail/mew [5] develop/librep [5] kde/kdemultimedia [5] emulators/wine [5] develop/pwlib [5] network/openh323 16:12 < mnemoc> [5] base/sofdog [5] develo p/mono-xsp [5] x11/synaptics [5] base/nssdb [5] e16/eterm16 [5] database/bdb-java [5] database/bdb33-java [5] graphic/inkscape [6] base/gettext 16:12 < mnemoc> 676 builds total, 655 completed fine, 21 with errors. 16:12 < mnemoc> those boards are very attractive 16:13 < mnemoc> rxr: screen -DrS mnemoc @ noisy 16:14 < rxr> and expensive ... 16:15 < mnemoc> :) 16:15 < rxr> and first they managed to send the old, slow one and now they missed the harddisk and two screws ... 16:15 < rxr> I wonder what they do at this distributor ... 16:15 < rxr> anyway for speed review it will do ... 16:33 < valentin> rxr: glibc fails on haudraufinix, too 16:33 < valentin> but with a different error 16:33 < rxr> hm 16:34 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@83.179.202.143] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:35 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@83.179.202.143] has joined #t2 16:37 < mnemoc> rxr: http://external.openoffice.org/source/browse/external/#dirlist if you find there the fixes for gcc4 16:43 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@83.179.202.143] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:45 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@83.179.202.143] has joined #t2 16:46 < rxr> mnemoc: you do not wanna make it build and get a big acknowledgement on the new live ? 16:47 < mnemoc> rxr: i don't have a gcc4 sandbox or the space to have a second sandbox :\ 16:48 < karasz> moin all 16:49 < mnemoc> moin karasz 16:49 < karasz> hello mnemoc :) 16:49 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm - I could hand you a key for haudraufinix ... 16:49 < rxr> or we anyway build more on noisy 16:49 < mnemoc> latency :) 16:49 < rxr> yeah - I do it then ... 16:50 < mnemoc> *G* 16:51 < karasz> what are the minimum requirements for a build server? 16:52 < mnemoc> depending on what you expect to take during a build :) 16:52 < rxr> a holidy, nap or coffee ... 16:52 < rxr> the later required a 32cpu Opteron cluster ... 16:52 < mnemoc> coffee 16:52 < mnemoc> :D 16:52 < rxr> and a patch to build packages in parallel ,-) 16:52 < karasz> i meant a build server something that can be shared 16:53 < rxr> karasz: we have a dual Opteron box we can access ... 16:53 < rxr> but more is better ,-) 16:53 < karasz> to get some load off of noisy ;) 16:53 < mnemoc> my build server is a P4 3GHZ 512M SATA 16:53 < rxr> noisy is not much loaded I think 16:53 < rxr> in fact we should push more onto it ... 16:54 < karasz> but if i understood it right there are some time limitations on noisy 16:54 < mnemoc> yes, fix desktop@x86_64/2.1 on noisy :D 16:55 < karasz> rxr the kind of access like you had on openpower 16:55 < karasz> but don't ask for an openpower ;) 16:56 < karasz> i was thinking about an AMD64, uniprocessor :( 16:56 < karasz> 1 Gb RAM 16:57 < karasz> 32 CPU Opteron cluster??? 16:57 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 16:57 < karasz> now i red it... 16:58 < karasz> s/red/read 16:58 * karasz hides 16:58 * karasz hides some more 17:00 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has quit [Client Quit] 17:01 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 17:04 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has quit [Client Quit] 17:05 < rxr> karasz: well - I have enough local build power, older Athlon 2500XP and on the x86-64 side a AMD Turion in my sub-notebook - that is fast enough for me so far 17:05 < rxr> well - mostly at least ... 17:05 < rxr> with reference builds moved to noisy definetly ... 17:06 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 17:06 < karasz> rxr: ack 17:08 < sparc-kly> http://xlinux.ath.cx/~mubex/Videos/Cat-Fan.wmv 17:09 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has quit [Client Quit] 17:37 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 17:40 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 17:43 < CIA-11> amery * r13567 /branches/2.1/package/textproc/ (celementtree/ elementtree/): 17:43 < CIA-11> * added celementtree (1.0.2-20050302) from trunk 17:43 < CIA-11> * added elementtree (1.2.6-20050316) from trunk 17:44 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has quit [Client Quit] 17:48 < CIA-11> rene * r13568 /trunk/package/shells/pdksh/mips.patch: * hacked pdksh to build on mips 17:51 < karasz> i am going now 17:51 < karasz> i do not know if i will be back 17:51 < karasz> so cu all guys and girls ;) 17:51 < karasz> s/girls/girl 17:52 < karasz> bye 17:52 < mnemoc> :) 17:52 < mnemoc> bye 17:53 < Xenos> hehe 17:53 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 17:54 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 18:12 -!- boppel [n=mike@88.134.0.123] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:32 * _Ragnar_ hate hate hates on glibc 18:32 < _Ragnar_> now it fails on a different location 18:32 < mnemoc> ? 18:33 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ouhm 18:33 < _Ragnar_> In file included from ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/clock_gettime.c:185: 18:33 < _Ragnar_> ../sysdeps/unix/clock_gettime.c:41: error: syntax error before '=' tokenIn file 18:33 < _Ragnar_> included from ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/clock_getres.c:186: 18:33 < _Ragnar_> ../sysdeps/posix/clock_getres.c:32: error: syntax error before '=' token 18:34 < rxr> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 18:35 < rxr> hotplug++ just cross built to mips ,-)! 18:35 < rxr> i guess I do not need to mention that it is C++ code ,-) 18:36 < mnemoc> :D 18:39 < Xenos> heh 18:39 * Xenos downloaded some nice pixel-fonts 18:50 < _Ragnar_> great 18:50 < _Ragnar_> hp_timing_gettime (clockid_t clock_id, struct timespec *tp) 18:50 < _Ragnar_> befoe 18:50 < _Ragnar_> before 18:51 < _Ragnar_> (((*__errno_location ()) = (22)), -1) 18:51 < _Ragnar_> after 18:51 < _Ragnar_> in a function declaration 18:51 < _Ragnar_> glibc SUCKS 18:53 < mnemoc> akc 18:53 < mnemoc> ack 19:03 < rxr> hm - from posting of ullrich drepper on the glibc list I often get the feeling he is the only programmer that is able to read SPECs and code in a sane way ... ,-) 19:04 < mnemoc> it would be possible to try to see the things like drepper would do it? 19:04 < mnemoc> +is 19:06 < CIA-11> rene * r13569 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 19:06 < CIA-11> * improved T2 to build a C++ cross compiler (!!!) 19:06 < CIA-11> * added a new feature to handle .cross0 patches, only applied in stage 0 19:06 < CIA-11> * do not try to build a libstdc++ in stage0 when we build the bare 19:06 < CIA-11> cross compiler - it is build in stage1 when we have the system C 19:06 < CIA-11> library 19:08 < CIA-11> rene * r13570 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/ (hotplug++.conf hotplug++.desc): * build hotplug++ in stage 1, now that we have a C++ cross compiler ;-) 19:09 < CIA-11> rene * r13571 /trunk/package/base/less/less.desc: 19:09 < CIA-11> * build less in stage 1 - it is quite annoying not to have it 19:09 < CIA-11> around on freshly bootstrapped systems 19:09 < mnemoc> *g* 19:09 < rxr> mnemoc: so - _now_ T2 does rock ,-) 19:10 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope you like the today release @Live "name" ,-)? 19:11 < mnemoc> yeah ,-) 19:11 < rxr> I have some more cool ones on my .plan file ,-) 19:12 < mnemoc> but i insist against the mixing of T2 and T2@live versioning 19:12 < mnemoc> it's confusing 19:16 < rxr> yeah yeah ... 19:17 < rxr> I once start that and now we have to take the pain .. 19:17 < rxr> just think of it as trunk state and all is fine 19:17 < rxr> soon we have a generic build iso named 2.2.0-rc1 and all will be fine again ,-) 19:17 < mnemoc> :) 19:17 < mnemoc> ok, :) 19:20 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 19:21 < rxr> for my MIPS Octane box I currently build a static kernel (no modules) 19:21 < rxr> I wonder if we should allow support for such kind of kernels 19:22 < rxr> if we want to we would need to add u/dev stuff to the init script and conditonally run it when it was not yet run ... 19:22 < rxr> since so far on trunk u/dev setup is done as early as initramfs ... 19:22 < rxr> to have the device nodes handy, especially for the root device ... 19:22 < rxr> my Octane "only boots accidently" because I have those nodes on the disk ... 19:23 < rxr> do we want to force static kernel / initramfs-less people to have /dev handy on the disk =? 19:24 < sparc-kly> you buy O2 rxr? 19:24 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 19:24 < rxr> sparc-kly: you mean a sgi O2 ? 19:24 < sparc-kly> yes 19:25 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has quit [Client Quit] 19:25 < rxr> maybe - for susan 19:25 < rxr> she links those 19:25 < rxr> however they are not too fast 19:25 < rxr> if I get one I'll take the faster CPU model ever placed into those ... 19:25 < rxr> otherwise I think susan or I would get too annoyed from it ... 19:26 < sparc-kly> mips is ver expensive. \ 19:26 < sparc-kly> very* 19:26 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 19:26 < rxr> I find the price / performance better than for SPARC ... 19:26 < rxr> that is why I got one 19:26 < rxr> only by accidently looking for a faster SPARC box ... 19:26 < rxr> ieeeeeeeeeeeee 19:26 < rxr> udev seem to do killall udevd on build 19:27 * rxr slaps those people ... 19:27 < sparc-kly> U80 is good idea . 4 x 450mhz and 4gb ram :) 19:28 < mnemoc> rxr: i think yes 19:29 < rxr> yes for ? 19:31 < mnemoc> force to have /dev handy on the disk 19:31 < rxr> ok - let's see how often we get annoyed by that ,-) 19:31 < mnemoc> any better chaoice? 19:31 < rxr> well - if [ some check if u/dev is set up ]; then 19:31 < rxr> # udev setup goes here 19:31 < rxr> fi 19:32 < mnemoc> where? 19:32 < rxr> system init 19:33 < rxr> where devfsd setup was 19:33 < rxr> so far the initrd contains the setup code 19:33 < mnemoc> devfs works perfectly without devfsd, it's the same for udev? 19:33 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 19:33 < mnemoc> btw, when will you drop linux24? 19:33 < rxr> mnemoc: did I mention your linux24 dropping hits my nerves ... 19:34 < mnemoc> why? 19:34 < mnemoc> linux24/devfs and linux26/udev sounds ... odd 19:34 < mnemoc> linux24/traditional_slash_dev..... even worse 19:35 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - your homework: remove linux24 from trunk and add linux26mm instead ,-) 19:36 < mnemoc> :) 19:36 < rxr> hm - I just notice a DESTDIR related typo on function.in and wonder why I have not noticed before :-((( 19:36 < mnemoc> does DESTDIR work? 19:38 < rxr> it was suppost to 19:40 < rxr> ah - no - it was udev.conf's fault 19:40 < rxr> DESTDIR support is all fine ,-) 19:42 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.34] has joined #t2 19:43 < rxr> so - u/dev should cross compile now as well ,-) 19:50 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:50 < misl> hi all :) 19:50 < rxr> moin misl ! 19:51 < misl> hi rxr, looks like you have been busy lately ;-) 19:51 < rxr> what indication of that did you found ? 19:52 < misl> lots of interesting mailing list notifications :) 19:53 < rxr> ,-) 19:53 < rxr> misl: http://www.golem.de/0511/41825.html 19:53 < misl> rxr: any objection of shutting down noisy shortly 19:53 < rxr> not from my side 19:55 < CIA-11> rene * r13572 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/ (udev.conf udev.desc): 19:55 < CIA-11> * cross build udev in stage 1 and fixed it to compile in that case, 19:55 < CIA-11> including cleaning up the prefix setting and not to overwrite 19:55 < CIA-11> any makefile option set before 19:59 < mnemoc> neither from here 19:59 < CIA-11> rene * r13573 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.1.7 -> 4.2.0) 20:00 < mnemoc> oh 20:00 < misl> hey mnemoc, how's life :) 20:01 < mnemoc> fine, and yours? :) 20:01 < CIA-11> rene * r13574 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: * removed double slashes related to automatic doc copy 20:01 < mnemoc> misl: you use java right? 20:02 < misl> fine too 20:02 < misl> mnemoc: yes 20:02 < mnemoc> great :) 20:02 < misl> why? 20:02 < mnemoc> any idea why http://mnemoc.pastebin.com/437348 ant isn't finding ecj.jar considering it's the first element of CLASSPATH ? 20:03 < misl> mnemoc: Is it okay to have a look later? 20:03 < mnemoc> sure 20:04 < misl> just got home and need to do some stuff and get Merlyn to bed :) 20:04 < mnemoc> :) 20:04 < mnemoc> sure, go on 20:04 < misl> ^some stuff to do 20:05 < rxr> misl: your summer house is warm enough ar this time ? 20:06 * rxr wondering what freaky stuff I could cross build next ,-) 20:08 < rxr> guess cross build X due 2.2-final - including a handheld target with X and Opie and GPE ... 20:14 < CIA-11> rene * r13575 /trunk/package/base/psmisc/psmisc.desc: * added psmisc to stage 1 - useful to have early and just cross builds in t2 ,-) 20:16 < rxr> hm - do I drive to susan - or do I install a new rootfs onto the sgi box ... 20:16 < rxr> uhm .... 20:18 < mnemoc> ^_^ 20:19 < rxr> with a big news per week our web-stat is riding nicely high ,-) 20:20 < rxr> ok - next I fix our initrd creator to work on cross builds 20:20 < rxr> thus we could cross-build minimal base systems on a weekly basis or so on noisy ... 20:20 < mnemoc> where is initrd been created on trunk? 20:20 < _Ragnar_> re 20:21 < rxr> especially nice for the platforms where we only have slow or no hardware (alpha ia64) 20:21 < rxr> mnemoc: in the linux package 20:21 < rxr> with the mkintird script provided in sysfiles 20:23 < _Ragnar_> rxr: do you get the same errors with glibc? O_O 20:24 < rxr> nope 20:25 < rxr> builds for my builds on many platforms 20:26 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CFD8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 20:27 < MisterN> hi 20:27 < _Ragnar_> rxr: x86? 20:27 < _Ragnar_> this bug is conditional on HP_TIMING_AVAIL = 0 20:28 < rxr> on my start reference it build 20:28 < rxr> also on x86 -> mips and sparc cross builds 20:28 < rxr> and mips natively ... 20:28 < _Ragnar_> O_O 20:28 < _Ragnar_> weird 20:29 < _Ragnar_> sysdeps/i386/i686/hp-timing.h:#define HP_TIMING_AVAIL (1) 20:31 < _Ragnar_> #define GLIBC crap(); 20:33 < rxr> maybe it is optimization related 20:33 < rxr> I usually build my x86 builds for pentium-mmx - not pentiumpro or above ... 20:33 < rxr> so - /me off to susan 20:33 < rxr> cu 20:33 < rxr> (then later on) 20:33 < misl> rxr: The summerhouse has very nice heating :) Some people even live there permanently. 20:33 < misl> cu rxr 20:34 < misl> mnemoc: Do you have eclipse-3.1.1/jdtcoresrc/compilejdtcore.xml for me too 20:34 < mnemoc> minute 20:36 < _Ragnar_> I'll try with diff. opt 20:36 < _Ragnar_> I optimize for athlon 20:38 < _Ragnar_> and why why why can't Config not make a backup before it destroys everything? 20:41 < mnemoc> misl: btw, i 'passed' that issue just removing the condition from the .xml file 20:43 < misl> mnemoc: :) 20:44 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/compilejdtcore.xml 20:50 * _Ragnar_ sets chattr +i on linux.cfg 20:50 < mnemoc> :) 20:51 < mnemoc> tar jcf $config.tar.bz2 config/$config 20:51 < _Ragnar_> yes thanks, and do it with a cron job every 5 minutes because that's about as often as it gets trashed by Config 20:52 < _Ragnar_> ;D 20:52 < mnemoc> with different file names i guess 20:52 < _Ragnar_> why can't config just stop deleting files every time something goes wrong? 20:52 < mnemoc> Config doesn't trash your config, you do that by pressing ^C :) 20:53 < _Ragnar_> duh 20:53 < _Ragnar_> I didn't remember pressing 'rm config/default/*' 20:54 < _Ragnar_> and there's no alias for ^C that does that :P 20:55 < mnemoc> on a 'trap' :) 20:59 < _Ragnar_> and .... whyyyyyyy?:) 20:59 < mnemoc> to bother you 21:01 < _Ragnar_> :P 21:01 < _Ragnar_> #$%$#@$@%$% 21:02 < mnemoc> it's not an rm on ^C, it's a design issue 21:02 < mnemoc> your config is _deleted_ when Config starts, and re-generated at the end 21:02 < _Ragnar_> exactly, that doesn't make 1 ounce of sense 21:03 < _Ragnar_> why not mv config/default config/default.backup instead of deleting it? 21:03 < valentin> mnemoc, _Ragnar_ : as i said before, this sucks 21:03 < mnemoc> a self calling toy that works always over definitive files 21:03 < valentin> we need to replace that stuff 21:03 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: tell me one other unix tool that eats files on ctrl+c 21:04 < mnemoc> it even pre-process itself using awk! 21:04 < mnemoc> on each 'loop' 21:04 < _Ragnar_> ugh 21:05 < mnemoc> i introduced src/$config/ some time ago, to play on all but config/$config/config. 21:05 < mnemoc> but the design made impossible to make it work on a temporal config file without rewritting the whole thing 21:06 < mnemoc> sadly, default config doesn't have custom linux enalbed, so linux.cfg is deleted (cleanup) 21:06 < mnemoc> and the same for pkgsel 21:06 < valentin> why not backup the old one then ? 21:06 < _Ragnar_> yea why not back up, or just don't delete a file that's not used 21:06 < _Ragnar_> why should cleanup delete those anyway? 21:06 < mnemoc> while true; do ; ... ; done > config/$config/config :D 21:07 < mnemoc> it's not 'intentionally' deleted, it's a concecuence 21:07 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: to keep config/$config/ 'clean' :) 21:08 < mnemoc> i'm _not_ defending Config, i hate it. and i find it patheticly designed. i'm just explaining how it works 21:08 < _Ragnar_> there's one obvious way for someone who knows how it works .... redesign it... :P 21:08 < mnemoc> ^_^ 21:09 * _Ragnar_ pokes mnemoc 21:09 < _Ragnar_> ;D 21:12 < mnemoc> i think we can wait until we rework it on LUA :) 21:13 < _Ragnar_> duh 21:13 < rxr> re 21:13 < _Ragnar_> re rene 21:14 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@83.179.202.143] has quit ["Parti"] 21:15 < misl> mnemoc: maybe try the following to get additional information 21:15 < misl> 21:15 < misl> 21:15 < misl> 21:15 < misl> 21:15 < misl> 21:15 < misl> The echo lines are inserted to get the additional information. 21:16 < mnemoc> minute 21:17 < rxr> ah 21:17 < rxr> valentin: that bobble config is known to not work 21:17 < rxr> valentin: it is for 386 21:17 < rxr> valentin: you can not built NPTL for 386 ... 21:17 < rxr> valentin: you neeed at least 486 IIRC for atomic operations ... 21:18 < rxr> valentin: for 386 one needs the old linux threads 21:18 < rxr> I can try to add this magic default setting to glibc's config.in or so .. 21:18 < rxr> sub-conig.in or so even 21:18 < rxr> _Ragnar_: what do you build your failing glibc for ? 21:18 < _Ragnar_> athlon 21:19 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ok - I try that config when I fixed to default to no-TLS for i386 and glibc built in that config ,-) 21:20 < _Ragnar_> huh? 21:21 < valentin> rxr: hehe 21:21 < _Ragnar_> so it should work? then tell me why it doesn't :P 21:21 < valentin> boppel: still here ? 21:21 < valentin> does not seem so 21:21 < _Ragnar_> I'd find it strange that athlon wouldn't have HT timers 21:21 < _Ragnar_> HP 21:22 < _Ragnar_> (if I assume correctly that HP is high precision) 21:45 < jsaw> re 21:46 < jsaw> another logo sketch... http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/ 21:47 < rxr> _Ragnar_: nope - only i386 - your case will be s.th. else 21:48 < jsaw> 2110 builds total, 2022 completed fine, 83 with errors. 21:49 < _Ragnar_> ? 21:50 < rxr> _Ragnar_: just let meach reach your issue 21:50 < rxr> jsaw: ,-) 21:50 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CFD8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:51 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CF978.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 21:51 < jsaw> rxr: moving T and 2 together indeed looks like an R, that guy was right... :) 21:53 < mnemoc> :) 21:54 < mnemoc> do you really think rene didn't intended that initially? :) 21:54 < mnemoc> Rene Rebe -> RR -> T2T2 -> T^2 21:54 < jsaw> mnemoc: hehe 21:54 < MisterN> 4T^2. 21:55 < mnemoc> :D 21:55 < mnemoc> for T^2 21:55 < jsaw> maybe he did, 21:55 < jsaw> he loves tea 21:55 < mnemoc> .oO( Red Ribbon? )o 21:58 < mnemoc> tea to ? 21:58 < mnemoc> .oO 21:59 < jsaw> more like tea times tea 21:59 < misl> I am off, sleep well all 22:00 < jsaw> cu misl 22:00 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"] 22:00 < jsaw> btw tea, I'll try to find the coffec machine now, brb 22:01 < rxr> ,-) 22:06 < mnemoc> ^_^ 22:07 < jsaw> finished: 2110 builds total, 2027 completed fine, 83 with errors. 22:08 < mnemoc> :D 22:10 < jsaw> error logs, in case somebody's interested... http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/logs/ 22:11 < rxr> what build ID was that ? 22:11 < mnemoc> jsaw: do you know the 'regressions report' generator? 22:11 < jsaw> default-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-generic 22:11 < rxr> nice 22:11 < jsaw> mnemoc: not really 22:12 < rxr> jsaw: i guess with the font scale -> flistdel change ? 22:12 < rxr> no regression in the font packages ? 22:12 < jsaw> I haven't rebuild the font packages, only font-misc-misc 22:13 < jsaw> that was enough to build gaphor 22:14 < mnemoc> jsaw: ./misc/archive/RegressionsReport.sh -cfg foo -----> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/ 22:14 < jsaw> mnemoc: where does the output go to? 22:14 < mnemoc> regressions/foo 22:16 < mnemoc> gatling friendly :) 22:17 < rxr> ,-) 22:17 < rxr> so - /me off into bed 22:17 < rxr> most probably see you early .. 22:17 < jsaw> cu rxr 22:17 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 22:23 < jsaw> http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/ 22:26 < mnemoc> if pkginstall coreutils workaround on embutils isn't working? 22:28 < jsaw> ? 22:28 < mnemoc> you disabled embutils on that build 22:29 < mnemoc> i assume because it's causing troubles 22:30 < jsaw> oh 22:31 < jsaw> I do not remember 22:31 < mnemoc> :) 22:35 < jsaw> closed snow cover now... nice 22:35 < jsaw> .oO(traffic snarl tomorrow >D) 22:41 < jsaw> mnemoc: look at http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/regressions/default/log/5-waimea.err.txt ... 22:41 < jsaw> mnemoc: they never heard about linker warnings, did they? 22:46 < valentin> hi 22:46 < valentin> anyone knows a good alternative to those shitty babyphones ? 22:46 < valentin> maybe i could connect some of my good microphones to a wireless device 22:50 < jsaw> yep, a telephone with babyphone option :) 22:50 < valentin> well, do not have that here 22:50 < jsaw> you can even leave the house and it'll call you ... 22:51 < valentin> i thought about wiring our server to a microphone in jannas room and let him broadcast alarm signals ... but i do not want to overload the server 22:52 < valentin> if anyone knows how to modify the transponder frequency of such a babyphone i would be glad, too 22:52 < jsaw> switch to lowest sampling... 22:52 < valentin> jsaw: that would be an option 22:53 < valentin> nonetheless i would prefer to have a wireless connection from her room 22:53 < jsaw> you only have to check the level... and in case you want to transmit... 4kHz is enough... you know, phone... 22:53 < jsaw> valentin: get a laptop from ebay :) 22:54 < valentin> best option would be a _low power_ wlan device with the mic in her room 22:54 < valentin> our server in my room will have a port open for receiving alarm packages from that device 22:55 < valentin> it would be no problem to establish audio connection from the server to our living room 22:55 < valentin> i just need a cheap, low power wlan ready device with mic in 22:55 < valentin> of course it should run linux 22:59 < valentin> i thought about abusing some old wlan router, but it has no line in 23:03 < valentin> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5119466220.html 23:03 < valentin> thisone has a minipci slot 23:04 < valentin> http://www.embedded-computing.com/news/db/?1379 23:05 < valentin> ^-- only 2.5W @ 5V 23:05 < jsaw> that's nice 23:06 < valentin> it is a neat board, but it needs to be upgraded for wlan 23:07 < valentin> it has 500 mhz 23:07 < valentin> that is enough for beeing used as a webradio :) 23:11 < jsaw> CIA dead again? 23:11 < valentin> seems so 23:11 < valentin> CIA-11: alive ? 23:12 < valentin> Cool FrontRunner with AMD Geode GX500@1.0W 23:12 < valentin> AMD GX 500@1.0W, 366 MHz 23:12 < valentin> http://www.lippert-at.com/index.php?id=14 23:14 < jsaw> hmm, how much computing power would that be to combine 100 nodes of these? 23:14 < valentin> much to overfeatured hi-tech for a simple babyphone replacement :) 23:14 < valentin> i guess much 23:15 < jsaw> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8386088053.html 23:15 < jsaw> ^-- that's the gadget you should use 23:16 < valentin> jsaw: total power consumption of that GX500 board is 6.5W 23:16 < jsaw> 650W, for 100*366Mhz, well ... 23:17 < valentin> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5204496011.html 23:18 < valentin> jsaw: you have much processing power, but you have a bottleneck in the comunication of those nodes 23:20 < jsaw> as CIA is down, I just added an "example" implementation for hooks in lua (misc/lua/hooks.lua) 23:21 < valentin> #svn up 23:22 < jsaw> 'nough coding, gotta do some other work 23:22 * jsaw exec & 23:22 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.55] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:29 < valentin> i like those lambda expression style feature to add code blocks directly as a hook 23:30 < valentin> have to go now, too 23:30 < valentin> cu --- Log closed Fri Nov 25 00:00:01 2005