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00:00 < valentin> thx
00:01 < demian> one cup here please.. need to keep me alive tonight.
00:03 * jsaw hands espresso to demian
00:06 < demian> is there another latin here but mnemoc _
00:07 < valentin> forgot his name...
00:07 < valentin> keinek
00:07 < jsaw> madtux
00:07 < valentin> but he seems ofline
00:07 < valentin> ah yes madtux
00:07 < valentin> what about that sparc-kly ?
00:08 < valentin> not sure about him
00:08 < demian> ah, Mike1..
00:08 < demian> it is still around.
00:09 < demian> he and another guys pretended another project branched from rock, dunt remember the name, it was gonna be based on perl.
00:10 < jsaw> sparc-kly[WORK]'s inet address is Puerto Rico
00:10 < demian> kleper.. it sounds me familiar from a colombian group named Gigax.
00:14 < demian> btw.. are u needing help with a package maintenance?
00:14 < jsaw> always ;)
00:15 < demian> tell me some of them which has no maintainer or where the load could be balanced, and i will see.
00:15 < jsaw> watch the t2-updates mailing list and start updating :)
00:16 < demian> trunk/source/utility? an external svn.. is it needed?
00:18 < demian> there are some external targets there.. ok.
00:18 < jsaw> it's needed for source/UpdateList
00:19 < jsaw> the output of it is fed into the "t2-updates" mailing list
00:21 < demian> first, going to install an iso, are the packages included in t2-live-2.2.0-alpha-r16.iso ready for building the current t2 source trunk packages_
00:21 < jsaw> eh, go for "delta"
00:21 < jsaw> in the /ftp/incoming folder
00:21 < jsaw> I think it is installable
00:22 < jsaw> I'm afraid I have to leave now,
00:22 < jsaw> cu later
00:22 < demian> cya jsaw , thank
00:26 < demian> is athlon-xp optimization archs supporting sempron too ?
00:26 < demian> s/is/are
00:30 < demian> got to go.
00:31 < demian> bye
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00:42 < sepp_> moin * :)
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00:49 < CIA-11> sebastian * r13561 /trunk/package/graphic/inkscape/inkscape.desc: * updated inkscape (0.42.2 -> 0.43)
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01:19 < sepp> gn8 *
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04:54 < madtux> hello
04:56 < mnemoc> hi
04:56 < SerWou> hello guys
04:57 < madtux> greetings SerWou
04:58 < SerWou> how are you madtux ?
05:08 < SerWou> gonna sleep 5ham here, see you later
05:10 < madtux> i am good. night SerWou
06:04 < CIA-11> amery * r13562 /branches/2.1/ (misc/share/REGISTER scripts/Check-PkgFormat):
06:04 < CIA-11> * partially merged 8597 from trunk: registered and added APSL - Apple Public Source License
06:04 < CIA-11> * merged 10665 from trunk: registered and added APL - The Apache License
06:04 < CIA-11> * merged 11507 from trunk: registered and added Artistic license
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07:19 < rxr> re
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07:40 [Users #t2]
07:40 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
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09:00 < mtr> re
09:01 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2/stable/2.2.0-beta/
09:06 < rxr> @Live 2.2.0-delta announcement sent out
09:06 < rxr> to the wide audience as usual
09:06 < rxr> let's see if http://heise.de picks it up today ...
09:20 * rxr uni
09:20 < rxr> :-(
09:20 < rxr> cu later
09:42 < valentin> moin
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10:30 < valentin> hehe - microsoft Xbox 360 crashes every now and then...
10:31 < valentin> http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEFkZkkkyEHasmrPqu.php
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12:01 [Users #t2]
12:01 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ mtr] [ sepp_ ] [ valentin]
12:01 [ CIA-11 ] [ karasz] [ owl] [ SerWou ]
12:01 [ geekitus] [ mnemoc] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
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12:03 < karasz> moin all
12:04 < karasz> rxr: why live delta has the date 9 nov?
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12:05 < boppel> hi there
12:07 < boppel> I have some problems compiling the lates 2.2alpha release on my opensuse 10.0 system.
12:07 < boppel> I get some compile errors: ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/lowlevellock.c:29: error: conflicting types for '__lll_lock_wait'
12:07 < boppel> ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/lowlevellock.h:227: error: previous declaration of '__lll_lock_wait' was here
12:07 < boppel> Due to previous errors, no 1-glibc.log file!
12:07 < boppel> has anybody an idea what I did wrong?
12:08 < valentin> hi boppel.
12:08 < valentin> what is the system you compile for
12:08 < valentin> ?
12:08 < boppel> hi valentin
12:08 < boppel> x86
12:09 < boppel> generic and minimal
12:09 < valentin> did glibc fail in stage 0 or stage 1 ?
12:09 < boppel> no other changes in the config made
12:09 < boppel> good question :)
12:09 < boppel> how can I check out the stage?
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12:10 < valentin> on the console, you see a red line for each package built
12:10 < valentin> what does it say ?
12:10 < boppel> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-glibc.out -> 1-glibc.err
12:10 < boppel> == 11/24/05 10:50:16 =[1]=> Aborted building package glibc.
12:10 < valentin> so it was stage 1
12:10 < valentin> interessting, that is supposed to work ;)
12:11 < boppel> perfect :)
12:11 < karasz> damn
12:11 < boppel> any ideas?
12:11 < valentin> i would say it is a 'normal' compile error, but it is interessting that noone else got that before afaik
12:11 < boppel> all previous packes compiled just fine.
12:11 < valentin> hi karasz
12:11 < karasz> hi valentin
12:12 < karasz> does anybody know why the delta iso is labeled 9 november
12:12 < karasz> ?
12:12 < valentin> anyone here who did a recent build of 2.2-alpha for x86 ?
12:12 < valentin> what is labeled nov 9 ?
12:13 < boppel> I just gave it a try but was not successful
12:14 < karasz> valentin: t2-live-2.2.0-delta.iso 09-Nov-2005 19:04 655M
12:14 < karasz> it is suposed to be the release that rxr just put up
12:14 < valentin> ouhm - i guess rxr rsynced that file from an older copy
12:14 < valentin> so the date is still the old one
12:14 < karasz> so it is not the last delta?
12:15 < valentin> karasz: it is
12:15 < karasz> ahmm but the file is new?
12:15 < karasz> just with the date messed up?
12:15 < valentin> just download and try - it is the recent version
12:15 < valentin> i think so
12:15 < karasz> oki
12:15 < valentin> we could wait till rxr shows up, but i guess he just did an rsync and renamed that file afterwards
12:16 < valentin> boppel: what settings did you do in scripts/Config ?
12:16 < valentin> just selecting the target ?
12:16 < karasz> he said something about rsync the other day
12:16 < boppel> yes.
12:16 < valentin> no processor settings etc ?
12:17 < valentin> i just ask, because i can try to reproduce that error using the same config
12:17 < rxr> re
12:17 < boppel> is there a kind of make clean?
12:17 < valentin> hi rxr, what settings do you use to build 2.2 ?
12:18 < boppel> so I can redo all my settings
12:18 < rxr> well - all kinds of settings do work
12:18 < valentin> boppel: there is ./scripts/Cleanup that deletes unfinished packages
12:18 < valentin> with ./scripts/Cleanup --full you even delete build outputs
12:18 < rxr> the delta is some days old because it was finished before linux world expo and I just managed to release it today ...
12:18 < valentin> the configs are stored in ./config/...
12:19 < valentin> boppel: you could either move the config subdir to some other name or do a ./scripts/Config -cfg
12:19 < valentin> and specify -cfg <..> for each other script command you execute
12:19 < valentin> but i do not think you need to ...
12:19 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0511/41825.html
12:20 < boppel> ok - give me a second
12:20 < valentin> it should be config/default if you did not specify a -cfg
12:21 < rxr> valentin: I can shortly phone you, right ?
12:21 < valentin> in one minute
12:22 < valentin> ok
12:22 < boppel> config: x86 (generic) target (generic) (minimal)
12:22 < rxr> hehehe
12:22 < boppel> no other changes made to the default
12:26 < boppel> valentin: I did a ./scripts/Build-Target --cfg system
12:27 < valentin> boppel: did you do ./scripts/Config -cfg system too ?
12:29 < jsaw> g'morning
12:30 < jsaw> :)
12:30 < valentin> hi jsaw
12:30 < jsaw> hi valentin
12:31 < boppel> yes
12:32 < jsaw> rxr: is it possible to let fccache being run without recording the files?
12:33 < jsaw> rxr: the reason I ask is becaus gaphor fails, xvfg-run cannot find any fonts...
12:33 < jsaw> xvfb*
12:37 < valentin> boppel: i will try to reproduce that error
12:38 < boppel> valentin: perfect . thank you very much
12:45 < rxr> oeh
12:45 < rxr> jsaw: yes, we could add the files to flistdel ...
12:47 < jsaw> rxr: nothing easier, like switching of flist temporarily?
12:47 < jsaw> hmm...
12:47 < rxr> jsaw: nope because one might use strace or another method we have not written yet
12:47 < rxr> flistdel is easy ...
12:47 < rxr> let me do it
12:47 < rxr> valentin: jsaw: I have a t2 trunk that is building a c++ cross compiler on my subnotebook ,-)!!!
12:48 < rxr> I think I'll split up the gcc package into gcc (holding all compilers), and the support libs, such as gcc-libstdc++ gcc-libjava gcc-libobjc (or so) and gcc-libada-whatever
12:48 < rxr> is that ok or some veto votes ?
12:51 < jsaw> rxr: thanks
12:51 < jsaw> no veto from my side.
12:52 < valentin> none from mine. but what is the specific reason to do that ?
12:53 < rxr> mostly technically
12:53 < rxr> for libstdc++ you need the system c library
12:53 < rxr> that is also the reason why we have no c++ cross compiler yet
12:53 < rxr> so we have 0-gcc - the C cross compiler - on my laptop that is also building a C++ compiler now
12:54 < rxr> then we build 1-glibc, the system C library and only after that point we could build libstdc++
12:54 < rxr> it is a bit nicer to do when it is a seperate pacakge
12:55 < rxr> also it is handy to decide to not install the java and objc runtimes and you later on notice you need the java one e.g. just for pdftk and want to build it
12:55 < rxr> as single package it saves you a lot of cpu cycles just to build that one
12:55 < rxr> simillar for the objc and ada cases ...
12:57 < SerWou> hello rxr
13:01 < rxr> hi SerWou
13:02 < rxr> valentin: this new AMD Geode box works - and with some trickery and the right USB port boots from ext. USB DVD-ROM ...
13:05 < rxr> vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
13:06 < rxr> cpu family : 5
13:06 < rxr> model : 10
13:06 < rxr> model name : Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS
13:06 < rxr> cpu MHz : 498.137
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13:14 < Xenos> hi all
13:14 < Xenos> oh eh...
13:14 < Xenos> some troubles with my ISP :)
13:15 < karasz> rxr for what it worth i am pro splitting packages :)
13:17 < Xenos> karasz: hi? :)
13:18 < karasz> hi Xenos
13:30 < rxr> hi karasz
13:34 < CIA-11> rene * r13563 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.1 -> 0.9.2)
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13:36 < valentin> rxr: where was t2 trunk on haudraufinix again ?
13:36 < rxr> /mnt/space/src/t2-trunk
13:37 < valentin> is it up to date ?
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13:38 < Xenos> mnemoc: hi
13:44 < rxr> valentin: mostly
13:44 < rxr> please note that there are a lot of configs and bvuilds
13:45 < rxr> please use an obvious name e.g. valentin-*
13:45 < rxr> l config/ | wc -l
13:45 < rxr> 31
13:45 < valentin> i used the name boppel :)
13:45 < valentin> i will clean up in case this test will not show up results
13:47 < rxr> http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/rr4-2.65.png
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13:49 < rxr> valentin: that gentoo install looks selfmade, or is it based on some other code base ?
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13:50 < Xenos> hmm
13:52 < valentin> this screenshot takes ages to load
13:52 < valentin> nothing i know
13:53 < valentin> i wonder why they have this fixed order for all the system config stuff..
13:53 < valentin> bbl
13:54 < valentin> boppel: i tell you about my results in half an hour or so...
14:03 < Xenos> hm
14:03 < Xenos> nice small fonts needed :)
14:03 < Xenos> except artwiz-aleczapka
14:05 < rxr> jsaw: fontdel added to xorg
14:05 < rxr> revision 13564.
14:06 < CIA-11> rene * r13564 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/modular-x-conf.in:
14:06 < CIA-11> * improved xorg-server/modular-x-conf.in to not disable font cache runs
14:06 < CIA-11> but remove the files from the flist, thus in-build virtual X
14:06 < CIA-11> invocations have them
14:06 < rxr> valentin: load average: 6.45, 6.11, 4.97
14:07 < jsaw> rxr: testing...
14:08 < rxr> jsaw: seems to work here ...
14:08 < jsaw> rxr: nice :)
14:09 < rxr> valentin: please take care working on haudraufinix - there are bits of experimental, non-working and so on stuff all over the tree ...
14:09 < rxr> valentin: do not accidently commit those ...
14:09 < rxr> (but they will not hinder your build - mosts are unplished NOPs ...)
14:12 * rxr hunting something for lunch - cu
14:13 < rxr> 4133 builds total, 1510 completed fine, 43 with errors.
14:13 < rxr> Error logs from reference-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-reference:
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14:29 < valentin> == 11/24/05 14:17:26 =[0]=> Aborted building package gcc.
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14:31 < rxr> ah well
14:31 < rxr> let me revert that change
14:31 < rxr> the only intrusive one
14:32 < rxr> done
14:32 < rxr> - var_append confopt " " "--enable-languages=c --disable-libmudflap"
14:32 < rxr> + var_append confopt " " "--enable-languages=c,c++ --disable-libmudflap"
14:32 < rxr> just a test in the morning
14:32 < rxr> the real work is as I wrote on the notebook
14:32 < rxr> just restart your build ,-)
14:33 < rxr> btw. I removed the alternative styles from the t2 page
14:33 < rxr> IE does not like it
14:33 < rxr> I'll add javascript to select it IE friendly later on
14:33 < rxr> but might needs days ...
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14:41 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13565 /trunk/package/graphic/hermes/ (gcc4.patch hermes.conf):
14:41 < CIA-11> * change the gcc4.patch (one cannot ignore the underscored functions)
14:41 < CIA-11> * add .conf, rebuild autofluff due to a lot of errors during build
14:41 < CIA-11> (This fixes clanlib06 build, at least the hermes detection)
14:47 < jsaw> ok, clanlib06 build, now maybe pingus builds also
14:47 < jsaw> gotta go, cu late(r)
14:49 < mnemoc> moin!
14:49 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
14:50 < rxr> moin mnemoc !
14:50 < mnemoc> moin rxr
14:51 < rxr> mnemoc: split up of gcc in trun ?
14:51 < rxr> trunk even
14:51 < rxr> asked about the 2h scrollback or so ...
14:54 < mnemoc> rxr: shouldn't we wait for a proper implementation of foo-% before adding hacks..... rock-style?
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15:18 < CIA-11> amery * r13566 /branches/2.1/package/security/clamav/clamav.desc: * merged 11946,13325 from trunk: updated clamav (0.86.2 -> 0.87.1)
15:19 < rxr> mnemoc: well - the usual . .../gcc-base.in stuff ...
15:19 < rxr> not too much of a hack
15:20 < rxr> and I find clean packages way more attractive than rock style #ifdef jungle ...
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15:41 < rxr> mnemoc: have you noticed the pr machinery going over at golem ? http://www.golem.de/0511/41825.html
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15:51 < mnemoc> rxr: ha, yes gcc-conf.in would be good :)
15:52 < mnemoc> rxr: is 'ji' friend of you?
16:04 < rxr> that is a longer storry - but not friend as in you or valentin ,-)
16:04 < rxr> mnemoc: well - it is technically possible to hack c++ cross compiler build into the existing package layout
16:05 < rxr> so I do just that (one patch and a conditional wrapper removal due to libtool uglyness)
16:05 < rxr> that is basically to get a C++ crosscompiler with runtime library from the already quite nice cross support in t2 ...
16:05 < mnemoc> sounds good
16:06 < rxr> yeah - cross compile even more ,-)
16:07 < mnemoc> :)
16:08 < mnemoc> i'm having fun with java/ooo and _eclipse_ right now.... while KDE update is tested on 2.1
16:08 < rxr> you package eclipse ?
16:08 < mnemoc> i'm on it
16:08 < rxr> I think soon we have conditions to release a nice t2 based thing per week
16:08 < rxr> montly trunk, 2.1 and live build ,-)
16:08 < mnemoc> we need more build power to do that
16:10 < rxr> well - with regression hunting / ref build moved off to mintos box ,-)
16:10 < rxr> I have some more spare bits
16:11 < mnemoc> can you try to fix desktop@amd64 and bootdisk@amd64?
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: on 2.1 I guess ... ?
16:11 < rxr> yeah - I can
16:11 < mnemoc> of course
16:11 < rxr> desktop is broken in what way ?
16:12 < mnemoc> a few broken packages
16:12 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. I have a 1W (power consumption) AMD Geode LX box on my desk for testing now ...
16:12 < mnemoc> Error logs from desktop-2.1-stable-x86-64-desktop:
16:12 < mnemoc> [5] base/mtools [5] graphic/transfig [5] multimedia/dvbd [5] editors/emacs [5] develop/valgrind [5] develop/mono [5] mail/mew [5] develop/librep [5] kde/kdemultimedia [5] emulators/wine [5] develop/pwlib [5] network/openh323
16:12 < mnemoc> [5] base/sofdog [5] develo p/mono-xsp [5] x11/synaptics [5] base/nssdb [5] e16/eterm16 [5] database/bdb-java [5] database/bdb33-java [5] graphic/inkscape [6] base/gettext
16:12 < mnemoc> 676 builds total, 655 completed fine, 21 with errors.
16:12 < mnemoc> those boards are very attractive
16:13 < mnemoc> rxr: screen -DrS mnemoc @ noisy
16:14 < rxr> and expensive ...
16:15 < mnemoc> :)
16:15 < rxr> and first they managed to send the old, slow one and now they missed the harddisk and two screws ...
16:15 < rxr> I wonder what they do at this distributor ...
16:15 < rxr> anyway for speed review it will do ...
16:33 < valentin> rxr: glibc fails on haudraufinix, too
16:33 < valentin> but with a different error
16:33 < rxr> hm
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16:37 < mnemoc> rxr: http://external.openoffice.org/source/browse/external/#dirlist if you find there the fixes for gcc4
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16:46 < rxr> mnemoc: you do not wanna make it build and get a big acknowledgement on the new live ?
16:47 < mnemoc> rxr: i don't have a gcc4 sandbox or the space to have a second sandbox :\
16:48 < karasz> moin all
16:49 < mnemoc> moin karasz
16:49 < karasz> hello mnemoc :)
16:49 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm - I could hand you a key for haudraufinix ...
16:49 < rxr> or we anyway build more on noisy
16:49 < mnemoc> latency :)
16:49 < rxr> yeah - I do it then ...
16:50 < mnemoc> *G*
16:51 < karasz> what are the minimum requirements for a build server?
16:52 < mnemoc> depending on what you expect to take during a build :)
16:52 < rxr> a holidy, nap or coffee ...
16:52 < rxr> the later required a 32cpu Opteron cluster ...
16:52 < mnemoc> coffee
16:52 < mnemoc> :D
16:52 < rxr> and a patch to build packages in parallel ,-)
16:52 < karasz> i meant a build server something that can be shared
16:53 < rxr> karasz: we have a dual Opteron box we can access ...
16:53 < rxr> but more is better ,-)
16:53 < karasz> to get some load off of noisy ;)
16:53 < mnemoc> my build server is a P4 3GHZ 512M SATA
16:53 < rxr> noisy is not much loaded I think
16:53 < rxr> in fact we should push more onto it ...
16:54 < karasz> but if i understood it right there are some time limitations on noisy
16:54 < mnemoc> yes, fix desktop@x86_64/2.1 on noisy :D
16:55 < karasz> rxr the kind of access like you had on openpower
16:55 < karasz> but don't ask for an openpower ;)
16:56 < karasz> i was thinking about an AMD64, uniprocessor :(
16:56 < karasz> 1 Gb RAM
16:57 < karasz> 32 CPU Opteron cluster???
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16:57 < karasz> now i red it...
16:58 < karasz> s/red/read
16:58 * karasz hides
16:58 * karasz hides some more
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17:05 < rxr> karasz: well - I have enough local build power, older Athlon 2500XP and on the x86-64 side a AMD Turion in my sub-notebook - that is fast enough for me so far
17:05 < rxr> well - mostly at least ...
17:05 < rxr> with reference builds moved to noisy definetly ...
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17:06 < karasz> rxr: ack
17:08 < sparc-kly> http://xlinux.ath.cx/~mubex/Videos/Cat-Fan.wmv
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17:43 < CIA-11> amery * r13567 /branches/2.1/package/textproc/ (celementtree/ elementtree/):
17:43 < CIA-11> * added celementtree (1.0.2-20050302) from trunk
17:43 < CIA-11> * added elementtree (1.2.6-20050316) from trunk
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17:48 < CIA-11> rene * r13568 /trunk/package/shells/pdksh/mips.patch: * hacked pdksh to build on mips
17:51 < karasz> i am going now
17:51 < karasz> i do not know if i will be back
17:51 < karasz> so cu all guys and girls ;)
17:51 < karasz> s/girls/girl
17:52 < karasz> bye
17:52 < mnemoc> :)
17:52 < mnemoc> bye
17:53 < Xenos> hehe
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18:32 * _Ragnar_ hate hate hates on glibc
18:32 < _Ragnar_> now it fails on a different location
18:32 < mnemoc> ?
18:33 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ouhm
18:33 < _Ragnar_> In file included from ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/clock_gettime.c:185:
18:33 < _Ragnar_> ../sysdeps/unix/clock_gettime.c:41: error: syntax error before '=' tokenIn file
18:33 < _Ragnar_> included from ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/clock_getres.c:186:
18:33 < _Ragnar_> ../sysdeps/posix/clock_getres.c:32: error: syntax error before '=' token
18:34 < rxr> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
18:35 < rxr> hotplug++ just cross built to mips ,-)!
18:35 < rxr> i guess I do not need to mention that it is C++ code ,-)
18:36 < mnemoc> :D
18:39 < Xenos> heh
18:39 * Xenos downloaded some nice pixel-fonts
18:50 < _Ragnar_> great
18:50 < _Ragnar_> hp_timing_gettime (clockid_t clock_id, struct timespec *tp)
18:50 < _Ragnar_> befoe
18:50 < _Ragnar_> before
18:51 < _Ragnar_> (((*__errno_location ()) = (22)), -1)
18:51 < _Ragnar_> after
18:51 < _Ragnar_> in a function declaration
18:51 < _Ragnar_> glibc SUCKS
18:53 < mnemoc> akc
18:53 < mnemoc> ack
19:03 < rxr> hm - from posting of ullrich drepper on the glibc list I often get the feeling he is the only programmer that is able to read SPECs and code in a sane way ... ,-)
19:04 < mnemoc> it would be possible to try to see the things like drepper would do it?
19:04 < mnemoc> +is
19:06 < CIA-11> rene * r13569 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
19:06 < CIA-11> * improved T2 to build a C++ cross compiler (!!!)
19:06 < CIA-11> * added a new feature to handle .cross0 patches, only applied in stage 0
19:06 < CIA-11> * do not try to build a libstdc++ in stage0 when we build the bare
19:06 < CIA-11> cross compiler - it is build in stage1 when we have the system C
19:06 < CIA-11> library
19:08 < CIA-11> rene * r13570 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/ (hotplug++.conf hotplug++.desc): * build hotplug++ in stage 1, now that we have a C++ cross compiler ;-)
19:09 < CIA-11> rene * r13571 /trunk/package/base/less/less.desc:
19:09 < CIA-11> * build less in stage 1 - it is quite annoying not to have it
19:09 < CIA-11> around on freshly bootstrapped systems
19:09 < mnemoc> *g*
19:09 < rxr> mnemoc: so - _now_ T2 does rock ,-)
19:10 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope you like the today release @Live "name" ,-)?
19:11 < mnemoc> yeah ,-)
19:11 < rxr> I have some more cool ones on my .plan file ,-)
19:12 < mnemoc> but i insist against the mixing of T2 and T2@live versioning
19:12 < mnemoc> it's confusing
19:16 < rxr> yeah yeah ...
19:17 < rxr> I once start that and now we have to take the pain ..
19:17 < rxr> just think of it as trunk state and all is fine
19:17 < rxr> soon we have a generic build iso named 2.2.0-rc1 and all will be fine again ,-)
19:17 < mnemoc> :)
19:17 < mnemoc> ok, :)
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19:21 < rxr> for my MIPS Octane box I currently build a static kernel (no modules)
19:21 < rxr> I wonder if we should allow support for such kind of kernels
19:22 < rxr> if we want to we would need to add u/dev stuff to the init script and conditonally run it when it was not yet run ...
19:22 < rxr> since so far on trunk u/dev setup is done as early as initramfs ...
19:22 < rxr> to have the device nodes handy, especially for the root device ...
19:22 < rxr> my Octane "only boots accidently" because I have those nodes on the disk ...
19:23 < rxr> do we want to force static kernel / initramfs-less people to have /dev handy on the disk =?
19:24 < sparc-kly> you buy O2 rxr?
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19:24 < rxr> sparc-kly: you mean a sgi O2 ?
19:24 < sparc-kly> yes
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19:25 < rxr> maybe - for susan
19:25 < rxr> she links those
19:25 < rxr> however they are not too fast
19:25 < rxr> if I get one I'll take the faster CPU model ever placed into those ...
19:25 < rxr> otherwise I think susan or I would get too annoyed from it ...
19:26 < sparc-kly> mips is ver expensive. \
19:26 < sparc-kly> very*
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19:26 < rxr> I find the price / performance better than for SPARC ...
19:26 < rxr> that is why I got one
19:26 < rxr> only by accidently looking for a faster SPARC box ...
19:26 < rxr> ieeeeeeeeeeeee
19:26 < rxr> udev seem to do killall udevd on build
19:27 * rxr slaps those people ...
19:27 < sparc-kly> U80 is good idea . 4 x 450mhz and 4gb ram :)
19:28 < mnemoc> rxr: i think yes
19:29 < rxr> yes for ?
19:31 < mnemoc> force to have /dev handy on the disk
19:31 < rxr> ok - let's see how often we get annoyed by that ,-)
19:31 < mnemoc> any better chaoice?
19:31 < rxr> well - if [ some check if u/dev is set up ]; then
19:31 < rxr> # udev setup goes here
19:31 < rxr> fi
19:32 < mnemoc> where?
19:32 < rxr> system init
19:33 < rxr> where devfsd setup was
19:33 < rxr> so far the initrd contains the setup code
19:33 < mnemoc> devfs works perfectly without devfsd, it's the same for udev?
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19:33 < mnemoc> btw, when will you drop linux24?
19:33 < rxr> mnemoc: did I mention your linux24 dropping hits my nerves ...
19:34 < mnemoc> why?
19:34 < mnemoc> linux24/devfs and linux26/udev sounds ... odd
19:34 < mnemoc> linux24/traditional_slash_dev..... even worse
19:35 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - your homework: remove linux24 from trunk and add linux26mm instead ,-)
19:36 < mnemoc> :)
19:36 < rxr> hm - I just notice a DESTDIR related typo on function.in and wonder why I have not noticed before :-(((
19:36 < mnemoc> does DESTDIR work?
19:38 < rxr> it was suppost to
19:40 < rxr> ah - no - it was udev.conf's fault
19:40 < rxr> DESTDIR support is all fine ,-)
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19:43 < rxr> so - u/dev should cross compile now as well ,-)
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19:50 < misl> hi all :)
19:50 < rxr> moin misl !
19:51 < misl> hi rxr, looks like you have been busy lately ;-)
19:51 < rxr> what indication of that did you found ?
19:52 < misl> lots of interesting mailing list notifications :)
19:53 < rxr> ,-)
19:53 < rxr> misl: http://www.golem.de/0511/41825.html
19:53 < misl> rxr: any objection of shutting down noisy shortly
19:53 < rxr> not from my side
19:55 < CIA-11> rene * r13572 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/ (udev.conf udev.desc):
19:55 < CIA-11> * cross build udev in stage 1 and fixed it to compile in that case,
19:55 < CIA-11> including cleaning up the prefix setting and not to overwrite
19:55 < CIA-11> any makefile option set before
19:59 < mnemoc> neither from here
19:59 < CIA-11> rene * r13573 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.1.7 -> 4.2.0)
20:00 < mnemoc> oh
20:00 < misl> hey mnemoc, how's life :)
20:01 < mnemoc> fine, and yours? :)
20:01 < CIA-11> rene * r13574 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: * removed double slashes related to automatic doc copy
20:01 < mnemoc> misl: you use java right?
20:02 < misl> fine too
20:02 < misl> mnemoc: yes
20:02 < mnemoc> great :)
20:02 < misl> why?
20:02 < mnemoc> any idea why http://mnemoc.pastebin.com/437348 ant isn't finding ecj.jar considering it's the first element of CLASSPATH ?
20:03 < misl> mnemoc: Is it okay to have a look later?
20:03 < mnemoc> sure
20:04 < misl> just got home and need to do some stuff and get Merlyn to bed :)
20:04 < mnemoc> :)
20:04 < mnemoc> sure, go on
20:04 < misl> ^some stuff to do
20:05 < rxr> misl: your summer house is warm enough ar this time ?
20:06 * rxr wondering what freaky stuff I could cross build next ,-)
20:08 < rxr> guess cross build X due 2.2-final - including a handheld target with X and Opie and GPE ...
20:14 < CIA-11> rene * r13575 /trunk/package/base/psmisc/psmisc.desc: * added psmisc to stage 1 - useful to have early and just cross builds in t2 ,-)
20:16 < rxr> hm - do I drive to susan - or do I install a new rootfs onto the sgi box ...
20:16 < rxr> uhm ....
20:18 < mnemoc> ^_^
20:19 < rxr> with a big news per week our web-stat is riding nicely high ,-)
20:20 < rxr> ok - next I fix our initrd creator to work on cross builds
20:20 < rxr> thus we could cross-build minimal base systems on a weekly basis or so on noisy ...
20:20 < mnemoc> where is initrd been created on trunk?
20:20 < _Ragnar_> re
20:21 < rxr> especially nice for the platforms where we only have slow or no hardware (alpha ia64)
20:21 < rxr> mnemoc: in the linux package
20:21 < rxr> with the mkintird script provided in sysfiles
20:23 < _Ragnar_> rxr: do you get the same errors with glibc? O_O
20:24 < rxr> nope
20:25 < rxr> builds for my builds on many platforms
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20:27 < MisterN> hi
20:27 < _Ragnar_> rxr: x86?
20:27 < _Ragnar_> this bug is conditional on HP_TIMING_AVAIL = 0
20:28 < rxr> on my start reference it build
20:28 < rxr> also on x86 -> mips and sparc cross builds
20:28 < rxr> and mips natively ...
20:28 < _Ragnar_> O_O
20:28 < _Ragnar_> weird
20:29 < _Ragnar_> sysdeps/i386/i686/hp-timing.h:#define HP_TIMING_AVAIL (1)
20:31 < _Ragnar_> #define GLIBC crap();
20:33 < rxr> maybe it is optimization related
20:33 < rxr> I usually build my x86 builds for pentium-mmx - not pentiumpro or above ...
20:33 < rxr> so - /me off to susan
20:33 < rxr> cu
20:33 < rxr> (then later on)
20:33 < misl> rxr: The summerhouse has very nice heating :) Some people even live there permanently.
20:33 < misl> cu rxr
20:34 < misl> mnemoc: Do you have eclipse-3.1.1/jdtcoresrc/compilejdtcore.xml for me too
20:34 < mnemoc> minute
20:36 < _Ragnar_> I'll try with diff. opt
20:36 < _Ragnar_> I optimize for athlon
20:38 < _Ragnar_> and why why why can't Config not make a backup before it destroys everything?
20:41 < mnemoc> misl: btw, i 'passed' that issue just removing the condition from the .xml file
20:43 < misl> mnemoc: :)
20:44 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/compilejdtcore.xml
20:50 * _Ragnar_ sets chattr +i on linux.cfg
20:50 < mnemoc> :)
20:51 < mnemoc> tar jcf $config.tar.bz2 config/$config
20:51 < _Ragnar_> yes thanks, and do it with a cron job every 5 minutes because that's about as often as it gets trashed by Config
20:52 < _Ragnar_> ;D
20:52 < mnemoc> with different file names i guess
20:52 < _Ragnar_> why can't config just stop deleting files every time something goes wrong?
20:52 < mnemoc> Config doesn't trash your config, you do that by pressing ^C :)
20:53 < _Ragnar_> duh
20:53 < _Ragnar_> I didn't remember pressing 'rm config/default/*'
20:54 < _Ragnar_> and there's no alias for ^C that does that :P
20:55 < mnemoc> on a 'trap' :)
20:59 < _Ragnar_> and .... whyyyyyyy?:)
20:59 < mnemoc> to bother you
21:01 < _Ragnar_> :P
21:01 < _Ragnar_> #$%$#@$@%$%
21:02 < mnemoc> it's not an rm on ^C, it's a design issue
21:02 < mnemoc> your config is _deleted_ when Config starts, and re-generated at the end
21:02 < _Ragnar_> exactly, that doesn't make 1 ounce of sense
21:03 < _Ragnar_> why not mv config/default config/default.backup instead of deleting it?
21:03 < valentin> mnemoc, _Ragnar_ : as i said before, this sucks
21:03 < mnemoc> a self calling toy that works always over definitive files
21:03 < valentin> we need to replace that stuff
21:03 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: tell me one other unix tool that eats files on ctrl+c
21:04 < mnemoc> it even pre-process itself using awk!
21:04 < mnemoc> on each 'loop'
21:04 < _Ragnar_> ugh
21:05 < mnemoc> i introduced src/$config/ some time ago, to play on all but config/$config/config.
21:05 < mnemoc> but the design made impossible to make it work on a temporal config file without rewritting the whole thing
21:06 < mnemoc> sadly, default config doesn't have custom linux enalbed, so linux.cfg is deleted (cleanup)
21:06 < mnemoc> and the same for pkgsel
21:06 < valentin> why not backup the old one then ?
21:06 < _Ragnar_> yea why not back up, or just don't delete a file that's not used
21:06 < _Ragnar_> why should cleanup delete those anyway?
21:06 < mnemoc> while true; do ; ... ; done > config/$config/config :D
21:07 < mnemoc> it's not 'intentionally' deleted, it's a concecuence
21:07 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: to keep config/$config/ 'clean' :)
21:08 < mnemoc> i'm _not_ defending Config, i hate it. and i find it patheticly designed. i'm just explaining how it works
21:08 < _Ragnar_> there's one obvious way for someone who knows how it works .... redesign it... :P
21:08 < mnemoc> ^_^
21:09 * _Ragnar_ pokes mnemoc
21:09 < _Ragnar_> ;D
21:12 < mnemoc> i think we can wait until we rework it on LUA :)
21:13 < _Ragnar_> duh
21:13 < rxr> re
21:13 < _Ragnar_> re rene
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21:15 < misl> mnemoc: maybe try the following to get additional information
21:15 < misl>
21:15 < misl>
21:15 < misl>
21:15 < misl>
21:15 < misl>
21:15 < misl> The echo lines are inserted to get the additional information.
21:16 < mnemoc> minute
21:17 < rxr> ah
21:17 < rxr> valentin: that bobble config is known to not work
21:17 < rxr> valentin: it is for 386
21:17 < rxr> valentin: you can not built NPTL for 386 ...
21:17 < rxr> valentin: you neeed at least 486 IIRC for atomic operations ...
21:18 < rxr> valentin: for 386 one needs the old linux threads
21:18 < rxr> I can try to add this magic default setting to glibc's config.in or so ..
21:18 < rxr> sub-conig.in or so even
21:18 < rxr> _Ragnar_: what do you build your failing glibc for ?
21:18 < _Ragnar_> athlon
21:19 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ok - I try that config when I fixed to default to no-TLS for i386 and glibc built in that config ,-)
21:20 < _Ragnar_> huh?
21:21 < valentin> rxr: hehe
21:21 < _Ragnar_> so it should work? then tell me why it doesn't :P
21:21 < valentin> boppel: still here ?
21:21 < valentin> does not seem so
21:21 < _Ragnar_> I'd find it strange that athlon wouldn't have HT timers
21:21 < _Ragnar_> HP
21:22 < _Ragnar_> (if I assume correctly that HP is high precision)
21:45 < jsaw> re
21:46 < jsaw> another logo sketch... http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/
21:47 < rxr> _Ragnar_: nope - only i386 - your case will be s.th. else
21:48 < jsaw> 2110 builds total, 2022 completed fine, 83 with errors.
21:49 < _Ragnar_> ?
21:50 < rxr> _Ragnar_: just let meach reach your issue
21:50 < rxr> jsaw: ,-)
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21:51 < jsaw> rxr: moving T and 2 together indeed looks like an R, that guy was right... :)
21:53 < mnemoc> :)
21:54 < mnemoc> do you really think rene didn't intended that initially? :)
21:54 < mnemoc> Rene Rebe -> RR -> T2T2 -> T^2
21:54 < jsaw> mnemoc: hehe
21:54 < MisterN> 4T^2.
21:55 < mnemoc> :D
21:55 < mnemoc> for T^2
21:55 < jsaw> maybe he did,
21:55 < jsaw> he loves tea
21:55 < mnemoc> .oO( Red Ribbon? )o
21:58 < mnemoc> tea to ?
21:58 < mnemoc> .oO
21:59 < jsaw> more like tea times tea
21:59 < misl> I am off, sleep well all
22:00 < jsaw> cu misl
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22:00 < jsaw> btw tea, I'll try to find the coffec machine now, brb
22:01 < rxr> ,-)
22:06 < mnemoc> ^_^
22:07 < jsaw> finished: 2110 builds total, 2027 completed fine, 83 with errors.
22:08 < mnemoc> :D
22:10 < jsaw> error logs, in case somebody's interested... http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/logs/
22:11 < rxr> what build ID was that ?
22:11 < mnemoc> jsaw: do you know the 'regressions report' generator?
22:11 < jsaw> default-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-generic
22:11 < rxr> nice
22:11 < jsaw> mnemoc: not really
22:12 < rxr> jsaw: i guess with the font scale -> flistdel change ?
22:12 < rxr> no regression in the font packages ?
22:12 < jsaw> I haven't rebuild the font packages, only font-misc-misc
22:13 < jsaw> that was enough to build gaphor
22:14 < mnemoc> jsaw: ./misc/archive/RegressionsReport.sh -cfg foo -----> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/
22:14 < jsaw> mnemoc: where does the output go to?
22:14 < mnemoc> regressions/foo
22:16 < mnemoc> gatling friendly :)
22:17 < rxr> ,-)
22:17 < rxr> so - /me off into bed
22:17 < rxr> most probably see you early ..
22:17 < jsaw> cu rxr
22:17 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
22:23 < jsaw> http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/
22:26 < mnemoc> if pkginstall coreutils workaround on embutils isn't working?
22:28 < jsaw> ?
22:28 < mnemoc> you disabled embutils on that build
22:29 < mnemoc> i assume because it's causing troubles
22:30 < jsaw> oh
22:31 < jsaw> I do not remember
22:31 < mnemoc> :)
22:35 < jsaw> closed snow cover now... nice
22:35 < jsaw> .oO(traffic snarl tomorrow >D)
22:41 < jsaw> mnemoc: look at http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/regressions/default/log/5-waimea.err.txt ...
22:41 < jsaw> mnemoc: they never heard about linker warnings, did they?
22:46 < valentin> hi
22:46 < valentin> anyone knows a good alternative to those shitty babyphones ?
22:46 < valentin> maybe i could connect some of my good microphones to a wireless device
22:50 < jsaw> yep, a telephone with babyphone option :)
22:50 < valentin> well, do not have that here
22:50 < jsaw> you can even leave the house and it'll call you ...
22:51 < valentin> i thought about wiring our server to a microphone in jannas room and let him broadcast alarm signals ... but i do not want to overload the server
22:52 < valentin> if anyone knows how to modify the transponder frequency of such a babyphone i would be glad, too
22:52 < jsaw> switch to lowest sampling...
22:52 < valentin> jsaw: that would be an option
22:53 < valentin> nonetheless i would prefer to have a wireless connection from her room
22:53 < jsaw> you only have to check the level... and in case you want to transmit... 4kHz is enough... you know, phone...
22:53 < jsaw> valentin: get a laptop from ebay :)
22:54 < valentin> best option would be a _low power_ wlan device with the mic in her room
22:54 < valentin> our server in my room will have a port open for receiving alarm packages from that device
22:55 < valentin> it would be no problem to establish audio connection from the server to our living room
22:55 < valentin> i just need a cheap, low power wlan ready device with mic in
22:55 < valentin> of course it should run linux
22:59 < valentin> i thought about abusing some old wlan router, but it has no line in
23:03 < valentin> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5119466220.html
23:03 < valentin> thisone has a minipci slot
23:04 < valentin> http://www.embedded-computing.com/news/db/?1379
23:05 < valentin> ^-- only 2.5W @ 5V
23:05 < jsaw> that's nice
23:06 < valentin> it is a neat board, but it needs to be upgraded for wlan
23:07 < valentin> it has 500 mhz
23:07 < valentin> that is enough for beeing used as a webradio :)
23:11 < jsaw> CIA dead again?
23:11 < valentin> seems so
23:11 < valentin> CIA-11: alive ?
23:12 < valentin> Cool FrontRunner with AMD Geode GX500@1.0W
23:12 < valentin> AMD GX 500@1.0W, 366 MHz
23:12 < valentin> http://www.lippert-at.com/index.php?id=14
23:14 < jsaw> hmm, how much computing power would that be to combine 100 nodes of these?
23:14 < valentin> much to overfeatured hi-tech for a simple babyphone replacement :)
23:14 < valentin> i guess much
23:15 < jsaw> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8386088053.html
23:15 < jsaw> ^-- that's the gadget you should use
23:16 < valentin> jsaw: total power consumption of that GX500 board is 6.5W
23:16 < jsaw> 650W, for 100*366Mhz, well ...
23:17 < valentin> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5204496011.html
23:18 < valentin> jsaw: you have much processing power, but you have a bottleneck in the comunication of those nodes
23:20 < jsaw> as CIA is down, I just added an "example" implementation for hooks in lua (misc/lua/hooks.lua)
23:21 < valentin> #svn up
23:22 < jsaw> 'nough coding, gotta do some other work
23:22 * jsaw exec &
23:22 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.55] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
23:29 < valentin> i like those lambda expression style feature to add code blocks directly as a hook
23:30 < valentin> have to go now, too
23:30 < valentin> cu
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