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01:30 < MisterN> n8
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04:07 < sparc-kly> Error logs from bootdisk-2.1.0-x86-athlon-xp-bootdisk:
04:07 < sparc-kly> 164 builds total, 164 completed fine, 0 with errors.
04:10 < mnemoc> as expected
05:08 < CIA-1> amery * r13357 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in: * fixed linux's extraversion handling, by adding a second lx_injectextraversion call after config is done, because some EXTRAVERSION stuff depends on config - like rsbac.
05:11 < CIA-1> amery * r13358 /branches/2.1/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in: * merged 13357 from trunk: fixed linux's extraversion handling, by adding a second lx_injectextraversion call after config is done, because some EXTRAVERSION stuff depends on config - like rsbac.
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09:52 < misl> morning all
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10:22 < sepp> moin
10:38 < owl> moin
10:39 < sepp> hi owl 
10:45 < owl> hi sepp 
11:38 < rxr> re
11:41 < valentin> moin
11:41 < valentin> hi rxr
11:43 < valentin> rxr: i finished translations, but it needs a good review
11:44 < valentin> i think there are some spellerrors in (didn't check yet)
11:44 < valentin> and some grammar could be reworked
11:44 < misl> hi sepp, owl, rxr, valentin and all others :_
11:44 < misl> :)
11:44 < valentin> maybe susann can take a short look ?
11:44 < valentin> hi misl 
11:45 < misl> rxr: both minimal-x86 and minimal-x86-64 fail on noisy :(
11:45 < misl> one in gcc the other in glibc
11:45 < misl> these where trunk builds
11:51 < rxr> misl: ok - I schedule a review for next week#
11:51 < rxr> hi valentin 
11:51 < rxr> commit and we take a look
11:51 < rxr> valentin: btw. do we want exactcode flyer to be two-sided ?
11:52 < valentin> maybe you want to replace the umlauts too - i used latex notation by now ;)
11:52 < valentin> rxr: if you are able to generate enough content till tomorow ?
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11:58 < misl> I am off to the woods :)
11:58 < misl> have fun
11:58 < misl> cu all later
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12:04 < valentin> *lunch*
12:04 < valentin> rxr: we will be back in the evening
12:04 < valentin> cu then and greetings to susanne
12:06 < rxr> cu
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12:25 < mnemoc> moin!
12:27 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
12:31 < rxr> so /me to the bus back home - cu then
12:32 < mnemoc> cu rxr
12:35 < mnemoc> when my neighboar stop P2Ping i'll focus on amd64
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13:12 < rxr> re
13:22 < rxr> so - new MIPS userspace does work on the Octane - juchey ... ,-)
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13:55 < karasz> moin all
13:56 < rxr> moin karasz 
13:56 < karasz> hmm 2 days
13:56 < karasz> rxr are you prepared?
14:01 < karasz> rxr seems that after all i wil get another toy from big blue
14:01 < karasz> this time with passes
14:01 < karasz> :)
14:02 < karasz> do you think that we could finalize the ppc64 port?
14:02 < karasz> and if yes how much time do you think it will take?
14:09 < rxr> passes ?
14:09 < rxr> I can nto predict how long it will take to make an installable cd
14:09 < rxr> maybe some hours maybe some days
14:09 < rxr> depending how much info and reference material how those new boxes boot can be found on the net
14:10 < karasz> in that case i will start searching now
14:10 < karasz> for materials
14:11 < rxr> you said debian boots, right?
14:11 < karasz> i thought that we can use that debian cd to revers engineer
14:11 < rxr> yes - that will do
14:11 < karasz> they say that, i could't test
14:11 < rxr> how do you boot a cd on that box?
14:11 < rxr> in openfirmware "boot cd" or "boot cdrom"
14:12 < karasz> i guess that you must ebter the openfirmware and allow cd's to boot
14:12 < karasz> rxr i will search materials
14:13 < karasz> and when the time comes i hope that i can give you some answers
14:13 < karasz> maybe i will get some support from the it guys from bigblu but i do not count on it
14:13 < karasz> are you prepared for expo?
14:14 < CIA-1> sebastian * r13359 /trunk/package/audio/ladspa-swh-plugins/ (gcc-4.0.patch ladspa-swh-plugins.desc): * updated ladspa-swh-plugins (0.4.12 -> 0.4.14)
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14:35 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
14:35 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
14:35 [Users #t2]
14:35 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw  ] [ mtr] [ rxr ] [ sepp__] [ valentin] 
14:35 [ CIA-1   ] [ mnemoc] [ owl] [ rxr_] [ SerWou] 
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16:32 < CIA-1> msluis * r13360 /branches/2.1/package/base/uclibc/uclibc.desc: * fixed typo on uclibc [P]
16:34 < rxr> mnemoc: that was you, hm ?
16:34 < rxr> we should alias svn to no-auth-cache on that box ...
16:35 < mnemoc> ack
16:38 < mnemoc> # cat /mnt/space/mnemoc/setenv.sh
16:38 < mnemoc> alias svn='svn --username amery --no-auth-cache'
16:38 < mnemoc> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
16:38 < mnemoc> alias l='ls -avhlF'
16:38 < mnemoc> export EDITOR=vi
16:38 < CIA-1> rene * r13361 /trunk/package/mips/arcload/ (arcload.conf arcload.desc): * fixed arcload to install and marked it to be cross built
16:39 < CIA-1> amery * r13362 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/uclibc.desc: * merged 13360 from 2.1: fixed typo on uclibc [P]
16:39  * mnemoc wonders how to set per session .vimrc
16:46 < mnemoc> -u
16:52 < CIA-1> rene * r13363 /trunk/package/base/procps/procps.desc: * marked procps for stage1 because it does cross builds and is nice to have early
16:52 < rxr> I think after 2.2 I should start the "cross build more" initiative
16:53 < rxr> since my vast overhaul since ROCK all naiv C stuff does mostly build without a issue at all ,-)
16:54 < mnemoc> i agree 'cross build more', but i don't like to move everything to stage 1
16:54 < mnemoc> i would prefer to push the 'crossbuild' limit foreward
16:55 < CIA-1> rene * r13364 /trunk/architecture/mips/ (config.in gcc-options.in): 
16:55 < CIA-1> * fixed mips by using GCC, not the no longer existing GCC3
16:55 < CIA-1> * fixed mips optimization options by lowercasing them so gcc does
16:55 < CIA-1>  not warn about them on each invocation ...
16:55 < rxr> mnemoc: this does not work that way
16:55 < rxr> the stagelevel is the mark about the build style
16:56 < rxr> when we move it we have to hack up a lot of places that rely on it
16:56 < rxr> what we need to do is to get rid of this rediculous stage concept alltogether
16:56 < mnemoc> it's nor rediculus because there are dependency loops
16:56 < rxr> there is a toolchain to be build there is stuff that can be cross build and there is stuff that ca not
16:57 < rxr> in which order they are build in those build "stages" that are just about 4 or so has to be determined dynamically by resolving dependencies
16:57 < rxr> mnemoc: then write the automatic resolver to build the most needed stuff first and a 2nd time when as soon as all deps are available
16:57 < rxr> there is nothing technically stopping us from do so
16:57 < mnemoc> 1. relpalce -gt 1 with -gt $crossstage
16:58 < mnemoc> 2. do per stage package sorting
16:58 < mnemoc> dynamicly
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16:58 < rxr> mnemoc: this static hackery does not bring us anything - we need to go full dynmaic - especially to kick this stupid static priority ...
16:59 < mnemoc> i doubt we can do dynamic staging
16:59 < rxr> e.g. when you the barrier you would have to convert all the .descs to the new meaning
16:59 < rxr> mnemoc: well - then wait until I do it ,-)
16:59 < mnemoc> step by step
17:00 < rxr> and for encoding the behaviour verbose P tags such as TOOLCHAIN and CROSS are fine ...
17:00 < rxr> is CIA-1  gone ?
17:00 < mnemoc> named stages can be good
17:02 < mnemoc> another change i need to do is change {X,O} into {X,B,O}
17:02 < mnemoc> build ^[XB] but package  only ^X
17:03 < mnemoc> and attributes for dependencies
17:05 < rxr> ack
17:05 < mnemoc> {X,B,O} migth be easy to implement
17:06 < rxr> I wonder if we can get subversion to cross build ,-)
17:06 < rxr> to have it around to checkout t2 after a cross build ,-)
17:07 < mnemoc> and 'static' stage ?
17:07 < rxr> hm?
17:08 < mnemoc> having named stages we can choose which stages to build on the build
17:09 < mnemoc> pretoolchain can be skiped on some cases
17:09 < mnemoc> and on cross builds we can have differnet 'high' stages than on native builds
17:09 < rxr> well - let's get some 2.1 minor releases and 2.2 out and then we can play around again ,-)
17:10 < mnemoc> yes
17:10 < rxr> btw. play - does the awk Commit code work for you ?
17:10 < mnemoc> i'm trying to revive amd64 supoort
17:10 < mnemoc> yes, it was commited :)
17:10 < rxr> it is amazing how much we can now cross build on 2.1 / 2.2 after my cross build review / rewrite ,-)
17:10 < rxr> mnemoc: oh
17:10 < rxr> missed that
17:11 < rxr> maybe due to the absense of CIA-1  ...
17:11 < rxr> KGB anyone ?
17:11 < mnemoc> supybot does it nicely
17:12 < mnemoc> i was waiting for t2-powered 'servevr'
17:12 < mnemoc> supybot can listen a pipe, and it has a helper to add to svn hooks
17:13 < mnemoc> or to mailling lists
17:14 < mnemoc> i only need a machine (or vserver) with good bandwidth to set all up
17:16 < rxr> ic
17:16 < mnemoc> i hoped morfoh or mike could give the resource, but they are too volatile
17:22 < rxr> so I guess I have to, ?
17:23 < mnemoc> but where?
17:23 < rxr> exactcode.de ?
17:24 < rxr> or my home router
17:24 < rxr> but to reduce noise and electricity consumed I might switch from the rs6k to something less noisy and power hungry ...
17:24 < rxr> but that could still run something like that
17:25 < mnemoc> isn't that too much load for your (or valentin's) home?
17:25 < rxr> how much load would that consume ?
17:25 < rxr> some kB per hour  ?
17:26 < rxr> cool - dvhtool does also cross build ,-)
17:28 < mnemoc> a remote install would be great to have
17:28 < mnemoc> installer*
17:31 < rxr> what do you mean ?
17:31 < mnemoc> sshd inside bootdisk' second stage
17:32 < mnemoc> using an authorized_keys set on buildtime
17:33 < rxr> mnemoc: have fun ,-)
17:33 < rxr> mnemoc: I think 2.2 will default dropbear to dietlibc and inject that into the early userspace
17:34 < rxr> often enough I have missed s.th. like that
17:35 < mnemoc> sadly dropbear depends on /dev/random
17:35 < mnemoc> instead of /dev/urandom like openssh
17:35 < mnemoc> so due to the lack of entropy it wouldn't work
17:37 < rxr> why does it us ethat device ?
17:37 < rxr> any algorithmic explenation or just another default choice ?
17:38 < rxr> e.g. openssh did so for some platforms as well
17:38 < mnemoc> no idea
17:38 < rxr> maybe we just patch it ?
17:38 < mnemoc> maybe
17:38 < mnemoc> i gotta go
17:38 < mnemoc> see you later :)
17:38 < rxr> cu mnemoc  
17:38 < rxr> and greetings to your family
17:39 < rxr> http://news.zelow.no/floppyfw/newsportal/article.php?id=4045&group=floppyfw.devel
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17:48 < valentin> re
18:00 < CIA-1> rene * r13365 /trunk/package/base/modutils/gcc-4.0.patch: * updated the modutils/gcc-4.0.patch to also cover mips
18:15 < rxr> hi valentin 
18:23 < rxr> valentin: the octane has a ADAT I/O - 8 channel optical, digital i/o for audio
18:23 < rxr> I wonder if it is worth getting a matching AD/DA converted from Akai or so on ebay ...
18:23 < rxr> then we would have a 2nd multi channel audio i/o thing ,-)
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18:26 < karasz> re
18:29 < karasz> bye cu tomorrow
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18:29 < rxr> valentin: http://www.alesis.com/products/ai3/
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20:21 < CIA-1> rene * r13366 /trunk/package/security/dropbear/urandom.patch: 
20:21 < CIA-1> * let dropbear use /dev/urandom as earlier versions did and openssh does
20:21 < CIA-1>  (no block on head-less or other devices due to too few entropy)
20:21 < CIA-1> rene * r13367 /trunk/package/base/binutils/binutils.desc: * updated binutils (2.16.91.0.3 -> 2.16.91.0.4)
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21:41 < MisterN> hi
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23:27 < MisterN> n8
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