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00:42 < CIA-1> rene * r13331 /trunk/package/mips/linux26mips/linux26mips.desc: * updated linux26mips (2.6.14-IOC3-R26-IP30-R27 -> 2.6.12-IOC3-R25-IP30-R26)
01:02 < mnemoc> rehi
01:03 < rxr> rehi
01:03 < rxr> mnemoc: got a t2 built mips kernel booted via tftp on the sgi Octane ...
01:03 < rxr> and yes I know I tinker too much with exotic hardware ...
01:03 < mnemoc> exotic hardware is great PR
01:04 < mnemoc> other projects need to me _ported_
01:04 < rxr> and I just heared in the mips channel that my octane has a video input output board that others would die for ... 
01:04 < mnemoc> to be*
01:04 < rxr> though I fear I never will have use for it and it is so far not supported by linux ...
01:04 < rxr> http://www.sgi.com/products/remarketed/octane/digital_media.html
01:05 < rxr> ^- the board that accidently is in my 80EUR Octane ...
01:05 < rxr> not that I have wished or asked for it ..
01:05 < rxr> though a Octane2 with faster CPUs would have been more value for me ...
01:05 < mnemoc> there is nothing like ndis_wrapper for video drivers?
01:05 < rxr> mnemoc: for the Octane or something you need? ;-)
01:05 < rxr> == 00:56:06 =[1]=> Building mips/linux26mips [2.6.14-IOC3-R26-IP30-R27 2.2.0-alpha].
01:05 < rxr> ^- this built id is cool ,-)
01:05 < mnemoc> for octane :)
01:06 < rxr> well - would be a Irix wrapper then ...
01:06 < mnemoc> my old hardware is all linux-compatible :)
01:07 < rxr> ok - me off crawling into bed in the hope to find susan there ...
01:08 < rxr> already got 1 on the night :-( the usual thing when new toy hardware arrives ,-)
01:08 < mnemoc> rxr: you could ask madtux to ask maddog for sponsoring now that t2 support mips :)
01:08 < rxr> guess at my usual speed I could take the Octane with full T2 including X for demo at linux world expo
01:08 < rxr> just that it is heavy ...
01:08 < mnemoc> :D
01:09 < rxr> but then we would have not good PR papers 
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01:09 < rxr> guess I should throw some remaining time of the weekend onto that problem ...
01:09 < rxr> so - cu all 
01:09 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 
01:10 < CIA-1> rene * r13332 /trunk/package/mips/linux26mips/ (linux26mips.desc viode-board-quirk.patch): 
01:10 < CIA-1> * updated linux26mips (2.6.12-IOC3-R25-IP30-R26 -> 2.6.14-IOC3-R26-IP30-R27) - the last downdate
01:10 < CIA-1>  was just for reference - the latest kernel works with a tiny quirk to not try to utilize the
01:10 < CIA-1>  video in/out board of my Octane
01:10 < rxr> oh
01:11 < rxr> late enough to mistype video to viode ...
01:11 < rxr> my ..
01:11 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr!
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02:20 < MisterN> n8
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09:11 < rxr> re
09:19 [Users #t2]
09:19 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw  ] [ mtr_] [ rxr ] [ SerWou   ] [ valentin] 
09:19 [ CIA-1   ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sepp] [ sparc-kly] 
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09:35 < misl> morning all
09:36 < rxr> moin misl 
09:36 < misl> hi rxr
11:37 < CIA-1> rene * r13333 /trunk/package/ (filesystem/dvhtool/ mips/dvhtool/): * moved mips/dvhtools into filesystem
11:40 < CIA-1> rene * r13334 /trunk/package/filesystem/dvhtool/ (dvhtool.cache dvhtool.desc): 
11:40 < CIA-1> * removed mips R tag from dvhtool - it is commonly useful to work with
11:40 < CIA-1>  such volume headers, added .cache from x86 build
11:54 < mnemoc> moin!
11:55 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
11:55 < rxr> do you join earlier every day ?
11:59 < mnemoc> nah ... just today :)
12:01 < rxr> ,-)
12:01 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you?
12:01 < mnemoc> ill but fine :)  and you?
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12:03 < karasz> moin *
12:05 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - ill?
12:05  * rxr is quite fine
12:05 < rxr> but tinkering too much on the sgi box than doing more useful stuff
12:06 < mnemoc> a flu of those which affect the bones and muscles more that the 'nose'
12:07 < rxr> mnemoc: :-(
12:07 < rxr> I wish you all the best
12:07 < mnemoc> nah... you need to spend some hobby time :)
12:07 < mnemoc> thanks
12:07 < karasz> sorry to hear that mnemoc :(
12:08 < karasz> all the best from here too :)
12:08 < mnemoc> :)
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12:08 < karasz> rxr why is so special a sgi box?
12:09 < karasz> i saw that tey have a pretty low MHz cpu, or two
12:10 < rxr> I like those former high end boxes, my plan is to have one box of each major CPU archtecture around
12:10 < mnemoc> http://linux-sound.org/hdr.html <--- gsmp is the third of the list :)
12:11 < karasz> they are kind of graphic stations?
12:14 < karasz> what is the best way to have a trunk box?
12:15 < karasz> is there some iso? or just by compiling localy?
12:15 < rxr> install the livecd I'll release soon
12:15 < karasz> don't hurry to much :)
12:15 < karasz> i still don't have a box around :(
12:16 < misl> hi all
12:16 < misl> rxr: Did you get that 89 euro box?
12:18 < misl> mnemoc: get well soon. ;-) me flu too, but I nearly got tid of it.
12:19 < misl> rxr: That SGI contact I mentioned earlier got back, they still have some boxes on offer.
12:19 < misl> I quickly mentioned it before.
12:19 < misl> SGI Octane2, Single MIPS 64-bit R14000ATM 400MHz, VPro V6 Graphic
12:20 < misl> Adapter, 1GB Ram, 1x18GB SCSI HDD
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12:22 < misl> 250, 235, 209 euro a piece when order 3, 5, or 10
12:24 < rxr> misl: that is a "normal" price as one get on ebay
12:25 < misl> I was afraid so.
12:25 < rxr> if I get another one I'll get a 2x400 - if not 2x600 - however the later are the fastest ones sold and I saw one on ebay with an end price of 1600EUR or so ..
12:25 < misl> mnemoc: seems like rxr is greedy too
12:26 < misl> :-)
12:26 < mnemoc> :)
12:26 < mnemoc> well.. 89 eur compared to... :)
12:27 < misl> rxr: how well is the t2 mips version getting along.
12:29 < rxr> 80 EUR ,-)
12:32 < mnemoc> :)
12:39 < rxr> yeah ,-)
12:39 < rxr> though + 10 EUR for the 13W3 to VGA cable ...
12:39 < rxr> but buying that seperately would have host more
12:39 < rxr> I just brought a 13W3 to VGA adapter for my SPARC on ebay for 17EUR the week before
12:40 < mnemoc> :)
12:45 < misl> :) Just ordered cable internet for my summerhouse :)
12:49 < mnemoc> :-)
12:49 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/DAS-KULTOBJEKT-SGI-Silicon-Graphics-CRIMSON-VGXT_W0QQitemZ5827156552QQcategoryZ22463QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
12:49 < rxr> ^- if anyone wants such a monter ,-)
12:49 < misl> mnemoc: how should I start screen to not interfere with your session.
12:54 < mnemoc> screen -rS something :)
12:57 < misl> thanks
13:13 < misl> rxr: have you seen this one?
13:13 < misl> http://cgi.ebay.nl/SGI-Octane2-2x-600MHz-R14k-91GB-Odyssey-V6_W0QQitemZ5828163747QQcategoryZ22463QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
13:15 < CIA-1> mtr * r13335 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.14.1 -> 2.6.14.2)
13:19 < rxr> misl: nope - thanks. but as expensive as expected ...
13:19 < rxr> :-((
13:19 < rxr> a nice box though
13:20 < misl> but not yet 1600 eur :)
13:22 < rxr> not yet -)
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14:24 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
14:24 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
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15:19 < mnemoc> rehi
15:19 < misl> hi mnemoc
15:20 < mnemoc> hi misl 
15:31 < rxr> guess it is update trunk to kde 3.5 then ...
15:37 < rxr> it is time to ...
15:38 < mnemoc> ack
15:38 < rxr> and to commit mips64 bits ...
15:39 < mnemoc> fortunely all desktop enveroments release around the same time, so each T2 new release can have new versions of them 
15:39 < rxr> how long is the misl opteron box running continously ?
15:40 < rxr> time to run the reg tester more regularly on trunk now that all the many sparc64 and mips64 additions appear to stabelize ...
15:41 < mnemoc> rxr: can you fix 2.1@amd64 or should i do it?
15:41 < rxr> mnemoc: I can
15:41 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. has anyone tried to install 2.1/amd64 ?
15:42 < misl> rxr: noisy will be shut down today, but tomorrow it will run for approx 2 weeks
15:42 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.1.0 minimal was installed at least once, successfully
15:42 < mnemoc> rxr: but no idea why, it doesn't build anymore
15:43 < mnemoc> rxr: $arch vs. $arch_machine change i guess
15:43 < rxr> misl: ah - nice
15:43 < rxr> need to kick myself to actually load it during that time ,-)
15:43 < rxr> mnemoc: on noisy I guess?
15:43 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
15:44 < rxr> or should I built on my subnotebook to actually have the output handy for a testinstall?
15:44 < rxr> I ask because in some forum someone complained the t2 2.1.0 x86-64 would not boot on his box ...
15:44 < mnemoc> oh
15:48 < mnemoc> and we never got ppc iso
15:49 < misl> rxr: we could try to install 2.1 on noisy
15:50 < rxr> mnemoc: they are on gsmp - but I had no time / motivation to boot them ...
15:50 < rxr> misl: nah - just lave noisy untouched
15:50 < rxr> I could testinstall on my subnotebook 
15:52 < mnemoc> see if they boot
15:52 < mnemoc> it*
15:52 < mnemoc> please :)
16:57 < valentin> hi
16:58 < misl> hi valentin
16:59 < valentin> hi misl 
16:59 < mnemoc> valentin: acording to #go-oo, last ooo change ui language based on $LANG. now i'm building it with --with-lang=ALL to see if that is true :)
16:59 < valentin> mnemoc: that would be fantastic
17:00 < rxr> not to mention that ooo does not build on trunk
17:01 < mnemoc> gcc4?
17:02 < valentin> for some reason, the nameserver in the network i am participating now sucks
17:02 < valentin> needs 15 seconds to resolve anything
17:02 < rxr> mnemoc: I posted a libauciocd or so related libXs.th. issue ..
17:03 < rxr> valentin: nameserver: 141.64.3.55
17:03 < rxr> ouhm - mips64 glibc nearly finished ...
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17:04 < valentin> rxr: yeah, i know some alternative, too... i just noticed the cable-whatever-router here sucks...
17:05 < rxr> valentin: a cool thing you can do with linux when you often have f*cked up networks is to always run a full nameserver (e.g. bind) on your laptop that always querries the root nameservers and provides a permanent cache
17:05 < rxr> maybe I should add a stone option to set this up ,-)
17:05 < valentin> :D
17:06 < valentin> did any pr work yet ?
17:06 < mnemoc> dnscache
17:06 < mnemoc> bind sucks
17:06 < rxr> not too much
17:06 < rxr> valentin: did you provide the .de text?
17:06 < valentin> rxr: almost ready translated
17:07 < valentin> i'll do the remaining paragraphs today and commit later
17:14 < rxr> those gentoo freaks are really getting on my nerves ...
17:16 < mnemoc> ?
17:16 < valentin> well, that is trivial
17:17 < valentin> but is there any reason to mention now ?
17:19 < rxr> yes - they try to convine me I do insane stuff on my Octane instead of helping my finding the bugs ...
17:21 < valentin> this is because they have no clue but are to vain to admit
17:32 < valentin> i'll be offline in a moment now....
17:33 < valentin> cu later
17:36 < rxr> cu
17:37 < CIA-1> rene * r13336 /trunk/ (13 files in 4 dirs): 
17:37 < CIA-1> * added mips64 (yes, yet another architecture we are going to support),
17:37 < CIA-1>  fixed glibc linuxthreads to build (on mips), marked glibc32 mips64,
17:37 < CIA-1>  and added linux* translation for mips64 to mips (don't ask)
17:41 < CIA-1> amery * r13337 /trunk/package/editors/amyedit/ (. amyedit.desc): * added amyedit (0.9)
17:42 < rxr> what is that ?
17:43 < mnemoc> a simple gtk+ TeX editor
17:44 < mnemoc> http://amyedit.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
17:45 < mnemoc> what did you think it is?
17:45 < rxr> nothing - was just curious
17:45 < mnemoc> :)
17:47 < mnemoc> i have to wait multilanguage OOo finish on one machine, and xorg+xvfb finish on another.... to try to package gaphor
18:05 < mnemoc> rxr: where should i put a gtk cd/dvd burning thing?
18:09 < rxr> near gnome-toaster or so?
18:11 < mnemoc> inside gnome2??
18:11 < mnemoc> ok
18:11 < mnemoc> package/filesystem/gtoaster ??
18:14 < rxr> yeah - well I remember that I did not liked that location too much
18:14 < rxr> maybe rip the no basic stuff out of filesystem/ ?
18:15  * mnemoc wants to changes all packages to [C] unclasified  and start clasifiying properly ...
18:16 < mnemoc> but from filesystem to where?.... contrib? :p
18:17 < mnemoc> btw, i couldn't find ppc iso on gsmp's incoming
18:22 < rxr> /home/public/ftp/incoming IIRC
18:23 < mnemoc> yes, thanks
18:31 < rxr> I could post my sides md5 sums ...
18:32 < mnemoc> yes, please
18:33 < rxr> ouh
18:33 < rxr> or not
18:33 < rxr> damn already wiped them due to less space on the rs6k
18:33 < rxr> I would need to awake the mini and search for a USB keyboard to plug into ot ...
18:34 < rxr> well - I run rsync twice to make sure it was really finised after the reconnect - and I trust rsync quite a lot 
18:34 < mnemoc> same do i
18:38 < rxr> so - grandma called for birthday - so all keep happy ,-)
18:39 < mnemoc> .oO( i don't get it )o
18:40 < sepp_> greetings t2 :)
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18:40 < rxr> jadda jada ...
18:40 < rxr> damn
18:40 < rxr> just crippled my octane kernel
18:40 < sepp> http://www.t2.fi/english/ <- to is ms sponsored :D
18:40  * rxr yet another rebuild
18:41 < sepp> t2*
18:41 < mnemoc> http://www.biddell.co.uk/gnomebaker.php <--- looks quite nice
18:43 < mnemoc> ttp://marlin.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html <--- too
18:44 < mnemoc> http://marlin.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
18:44 < rxr> hm - grummel
18:45 < mnemoc> ?
18:45 < rxr> new, old kernel not comming up to life on the octane
18:46 < mnemoc> oh
18:46 < CIA-1> rene * r13338 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: * fixed typo on recently improved mips kernel image generation
18:46 < mnemoc> grummel
18:47 < rxr> ?
18:47 < rxr> you grummel with me or about something else? like /me comminting halfly tested typo code ?
18:49  * mnemoc supporting rxr's grummel :)
18:56  * mnemoc ill but quite happy seening 'azazel' (this desktop target) getting usable and accepted by users :p
18:56 < mnemoc> s/this/his/
18:56  * mnemoc also planning announcing azazel-0.1 as 't2-powered distribution' soon
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18:57 < karasz> moin all
18:57 < sepp> hi karasz 
18:58 < mnemoc> wb karasz 
18:58 < karasz> i am not fully back :(
18:58 < karasz> still fighting with gdb
18:59 < sepp> mnemoc: its the official linux distro from http://www.kultovazazel.com/ ? :)
18:59 < mnemoc> nah ;)
19:00 -!- Postal [n=Postal@ool-43562491.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2
19:00 < Postal> hey all
19:04 < Postal> how is T2 as a server enviroment?
19:04 < mnemoc> perfect
19:05 < Postal> lol, good for amd64 yet?
19:05 < rxr> yep
19:05 < mnemoc> amd64 is currently broken on 2.1, but i think building on 2.2
19:05 < Postal> lol
19:06 < rxr> where 2.1 fix is mostly a one-liner
19:06 < Postal> rxr any news on the Airport extreme
19:06 < rxr> Postal: x86-64 is in production use in t2 these days ...
19:06 < mnemoc> yes
19:06 < rxr> Postal: yes - airport extreme is most likely to work soon
19:06 < rxr> most probably due to end of this year
19:06 < rxr> but I do not hack on it - so no promisses
19:06 < Postal> rxr is there a alpha or beta yet?
19:07 < rxr> well - I paste the link and you see yourself
19:07 < rxr> I think it can already send and receive some bits thru the air
19:07 < Postal> rxr, ok
19:07 < rxr> but not full fledged
19:07 < rxr> though I do not monitor progress daily
19:07 < Postal> rxr have you tried it?
19:07 < rxr> http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/
19:08 < mnemoc> Postal: http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2/stable/2.1.0/x86-64/t2-minimal/t2-minimal-2.1.0-x86-64_cd1.iso 
19:08 < rxr> https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/bcm43xx-dev/
19:08 < rxr> oh - yes - and please tell us if it boots
19:08 < rxr> we have not tested it too much yet ,-)
19:08 < Postal> rxr I have seen that, im not sure how i feel about it.. and I will downlad the iso right now
19:08 < mnemoc> we need feedback to improve x86-64 support
19:09 < Postal> about 9 min to download.. i dont know if I have CDs... only dvds hold on
19:09 < Postal> can I convert the iso to a dvd iso?
19:09 < rxr> burn to dvd will work too IIRC
19:09 < rxr> Postal: yes - just burn it 1:1 onto the DVD
19:09 < rxr> Postal: this project looks promissing
19:09 < Postal> rxr, which project..
19:10 < mnemoc> rxr: which project?
19:10 < Postal> so what I need to do is this
19:10 < rxr> the people appear skilled and motivated and they have a full reverse engeniered spec from other people to code from
19:10 < rxr> http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/
19:10 < mnemoc> ok
19:11 < Postal> I need to set up a dhcp serever so that my sever will hand out an IP adress that to my wireless router... then i want people to have to authenticate with the server before they can get out to the internet
19:11 < Postal> i was thinking about using 2003 with AD but... i want to try linux first... although I have never used a linux server
19:12 < Postal> can I do this?
19:12 < mnemoc> i have {qmail,samba}-ldap on a 200+ users customer
19:13 < mnemoc> running a bunch of t2-powered servers of course
19:13 < Postal> ok, the reason I was thinking about AD, is that I want to be able to push updates to the computers on the network
19:13 < rxr> such custom setup is a bit of tinkering but of course what custom linux stuff is used for ...
19:14 < rxr> you ned some networking knowledge of course
19:14 < rxr> arch/mips/kernel/vmlinux.lds.S:0: error: bad value (r10000) for -march
19:14 < rxr> I wonder why the h*ll I get this know
19:14 < Postal> i am Net+ certified.. will this knowledge be enough
19:14 < rxr> never got this before in the last days ...
19:14 < rxr> no idea with net+ is ...
19:15 < mnemoc> a diploma that say you know about networking :p
19:15 < rxr> never heared about that anyway ...
19:15 < mnemoc> i don't give a sh* about certificates anyway
19:15 < rxr> mnemoc: know about networking in terms of how to spell it?
19:16 < rxr> well - as long it is not a digital one used for encryption, right ?
19:16 < mnemoc> rxr: ack :)
19:17 < rxr> ah - there the habbit was hiding ...
19:17 < rxr> rabbit even
19:17 < mnemoc> i have had lot of fun a couple of times watching CCNA people 'solving' issues
19:17 < Postal> anyway... so can i push say virus updates to the computers?
19:17 < rxr> me praing this early printk hackery will not oops earlier than the kernel is without it ...
19:17 < Postal> limit there user acounts and such 
19:18 < Postal> iso is done..
19:18 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - or even Windows or Red Hat certifieds ...
19:18 < Postal> can i burn it using toast
19:18 < rxr> toast as this windows / mac app ?
19:18 < mnemoc> here RHCE people are trained for two months to pass the test
19:18 < Postal> yes
19:18 < Postal> im on my powerbook
19:18 < Postal> I LOVE MY POWERBOOK
19:19 < rxr> hm - I have mixed feelings about those windows and mac brun apps ...
19:19 < rxr> they often do not what they have been told to do ...
19:19 < Postal> shall i just use cdrecord
19:19 < rxr> better use some more unix-a-like thing to brun it ...
19:19 < rxr> yeah - I would feel better with cdrecord ...
19:20 < Postal> what would the command be to burn the iso to dvd with the 1:1?
19:20 < mnemoc> but there are lot of GUI tools which use cdrecord as backend
19:20 < Postal> well iwould neeed one for Mac OSX
19:21 < Postal> rxr, do you like OS X with the Darwin Backend
19:22 < mnemoc> *G*
19:22 < Postal> ..?
19:23  * mnemoc would love to see rxr talking about his OSX experience
19:26 < Postal> did he not have a very good one?
19:27 < Postal> ive been coding in Xcode.. and its pretty nice i think
19:27 < mnemoc> he passed some time developing drivers for avision on it
19:28 < rxr> Postal: you do not want me to destroy your illusion ...
19:28 < rxr> you can easily find my comments from valentin and me about this other OS in the logs of this channel ...
19:28 < rxr> beware they are not too good ones ...
19:30 < Postal> I just find that for school work and for day to day tasks it is easy.. I am not running linux on it until the airport extreme driver is out
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19:34 < CIA-1> amery * r13339 /trunk/package/editors/mlview/ (. mlview.desc): * added mlview (0.9.0)
19:34 < mnemoc> rxr: it would be nice if Commit.sh append [I] on adds :)
19:37 < rxr> mnemoc: do you patch it ?
19:38 < mnemoc> i'm not good on awk
19:39 < rxr> ok - then I do
19:39 < rxr> have to wait for a mips kernel rebuild anyway
19:40 < Postal> Ok, I am going to burn it now
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19:44 < MisterN> hi
19:44 < Postal> so, i am very excited that we have a live cd for amd64 now
19:44 < Postal> Hi MisterN
19:44 < CIA-1> msluis * r13340 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-142/ (extract-x86.diff sun-jre-142.desc): * updated sun-jre-142 (1.4.2_08 -> 1.4.2_10)
19:45 < MisterN> Postal: oh this is good news for me too
19:45 < CIA-1> msluis * r13341 /trunk/package/java/sun-jdk-142/ (extract-ia64.diff extract-x86.diff sun-jdk-142.desc): * updated sun-jdk-142 (1.4.2_08 -> 1.4.2_10)
19:46 < Postal> rxr, you ready to see if this works?
19:48 < misl> mnemoc: I have a java update for 1.5.0 too. On x86 it installs fine on noisy, but x86-64 coredumps. Should I commit anyway?
19:49 < mnemoc> misl: sure
19:49 < misl> okay
19:49 < Postal> as a side note.. im not to fond of things that core dump
19:49 < CIA-1> msluis * r13342 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-150/ (extract-x86-64.diff extract-x86.diff sun-jre-150.desc): * updated sun-jre-150 (1.5.0_04 -> 1.5.0_05)
19:50 < misl> Maybe the core dump is a result of noisy not being fully 64 bits.
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19:50 < CIA-1> msluis * r13343 /trunk/package/java/sun-jdk-150/ (extract-x86-64.diff extract-x86.diff sun-jdk-150.desc): * updated sun-jdk-150 (1.5.0_04 -> 1.5.0_05)
19:51 < misl> mnemoc: If you want the archives, you can find then on noisy :)
19:52 < misl> ibm jre and jdk are still pending as is the 1.5 beta from ibm.
19:52 < misl> But this has to wait till some other time. Bringing noisy down soon.
19:54 < mnemoc> ok
19:55 < Postal> what is noisy?
19:55 < mnemoc> a machine
19:55 < mnemoc> a noisy machine
19:57 < mnemoc> autoconf_2.52d_check || DIE=1 <--- *LOL*
19:59 < CIA-1> amery * r13344 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnomebaker/ (. gnomebaker.desc): * added gnomebaker (0.5.0)
20:01 < rxr> Log:
20:01 < rxr>         * added arcboot2 (0.3.8.7)
20:01 < rxr> Boot-loader for MIPS
20:02 < Postal> i hate the bios on my amd64.. it hangs forever at the first screen and never gets past that
20:02 < rxr> ?
20:03 < Postal> well it does get past it
20:03 < Postal> it just takes ages
20:03 < Postal> ok here we go
20:04 < Postal> ive just set it to boot to cd so lets see if your cd works.. I managed to find a CD-R so we should be all set
20:06 < rxr> mnemoc: Log:
20:06 < rxr> mnemoc:         * added arcboot2 (0.3.8.7) Boot-loader for MIPS
20:06 < Postal> i cannot get the CD to boot
20:06 < mnemoc> rxr: works?
20:06 < mnemoc> Postal: :'(
20:06 < Postal> am I the first to test it?
20:06 < CIA-1> rene * r13345 /trunk/misc/archive/Commit.sh: * improved Commit.sh to extract the Info tag for added packages
20:07 < Postal> let me try it on the other AMD64 hold on.. i have to kick my sister off it
20:07 < rxr> mnemoc: tests of Commit.sh welcome
20:07 < mnemoc> rxr: oh! .... i didn't understand.... now i got it :)
20:07 < rxr> ,-()
20:07 < rxr> not too much tested and a bit cryptic to read ...
20:08 < mnemoc> :)
20:08 < mnemoc> np
20:08 < mnemoc> i wont review it, just test it
20:11 < Postal> ok the CD does not work
20:12 < mnemoc> :'(
20:12 < Postal> any ideas why?
20:13 < mnemoc> can you try the one from 2.1.0-rc3? someone told me that this one worked
20:13 < Postal> can you give me the link?>
20:15 < mnemoc> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2/stable/2.1.0-rc3/x86-64/t2-minimal/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc3-x86-64_cd1.iso
20:15 < mnemoc> if that one works, hunting the problem would be delimited
20:15 < Postal> the DL is very slow
20:16 < mnemoc> no mirror on america
20:16 < Postal> ah o
20:16 < Postal> well it will take about 3 - 4 hours
20:17 < mnemoc> :(
20:20 < Postal> ok it says 10 minnow
20:25 < CIA-1> amery * r13346 /trunk/package/develop/scons/ (environment.patch scons.desc): * updated scons (0.96.1 -> 0.96.91) - needed by xmms2
20:25 < Postal> ok i hope this works this is my last CD-R
20:26 < CIA-1> amery * r13347 /trunk/package/audio/xmms2/ (. xmms2.conf xmms2.desc): * added xmms2 (0.1DR2.2) a redesign of the XMMS music player
20:26 < rxr> mnemoc: Commit works ?
20:26 < mnemoc> yes
20:26 < mnemoc> what about a delimiter?
20:27 < mnemoc> a , or a -
20:27 < mnemoc> or quoted
20:28 < rxr> ok
20:29 < rxr> @@ -25,7 +25,7 @@
20:29 < rxr> -       { if (sub(/^\+\[I\]/,\"\") ) { info = \$0 } }
20:29 < rxr> +       { if (sub(/^\+\[I\] /,\"- \") ) { info = \$0 } }
20:29 < rxr> try this
20:29 < rxr> untested
20:29 < mnemoc> do you like the '-' ?
20:29 < rxr> yep
20:29 < rxr> u2 ?
20:29 < mnemoc> yep
20:29 < Postal> is that a sed script?
20:29 < mnemoc> awk
20:30 < Postal> whats the diffrence
20:30 < Postal> between the two
20:30 < mnemoc> they are simply different tools :)
20:31 < Postal> the syntax looks similar
20:32 < mnemoc> not to me :)
20:33 < Postal> lol, that cd does not seem to work either
20:33 < mnemoc> uhm
20:33 < Postal> i wonder if its a problem with toast and I should use cdrecord instead
20:33 < Postal> should be fine though ive used it before...
20:34 < Postal> what would the command be in cdrecord to burn the iso to a dvd?
20:36 < rxr> Postal: just as onto a CD IIRC
20:37 < rxr> though cdrecord might not burn it because the author sells the DVD version
20:37 < Postal> ic
20:37 < rxr> you might watch for cdrecord forks that have GPLed DVD writing cocd
20:37 < rxr> code
20:38 < MisterN> or use growiso?
20:38 < Postal> well toast burns the cd fine... ifound two  cd-r, and they burned fine under the PC compatibility mode, they just dont boot.. nothinghappens
20:39 < mnemoc> :'(
20:41 < Postal> rxr, do you think that toast 7 is the problem and worth trying another burn program?
20:45 < Postal> ?
20:46 < rxr> Postal: I only use open source for serious work - I have no first hand experience with those programs
20:46 < rxr> I only know that my brother had problems burning the T2 PPC isos in a way to be useful ...
20:48 < Postal> ok
20:48 < Postal> what if i just did the build from a host OS like suse or something?
20:48 < rxr> but I also heared by someone the 2.1.0-x86-64 iso did not boot ... :-(
20:49 < rxr> Postal: yes that should do
20:49 < Postal> suse 10 is fine or is there a better OS
20:49 < rxr> it should be fine
20:49 < rxr> I recently cross build powerp64 on a suse host ...
20:49 < rxr> that did not expose a single problem
20:50 < rxr> however x86-64 suse flavour might proof otherwise
20:50 < Postal> powerp64 as in a G5 or what
20:50 < rxr> for example - though I built on a 4 CPU IBM OpenPower ,-)
20:50 < rxr> with 4GB of RAM or so ...
20:54 < rxr> mnemoc: the person that reverse engeneered all the sgi Octane id currently building his own custom MIPS workstation ...
20:54 < Postal> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/71206/wo/NB5F44VofEi62z2tnHl0i27OAfp/2.?p=0
20:54 < rxr> most probably out of Broadcom dual core MIPS cpus ...
20:54 < Postal> thats what i want lol
20:55 < rxr> hehe
20:56 < Postal> did you view the G5 i sent?
20:57 < rxr> == 19:49:53 =[5]=> Building audio/rezound [0.12.2beta 2.2.0-alpha].
20:57 < rxr> == 11/12/05 21:13:23 =[5]=> Finished building package rezound.
20:57 < rxr> sparc64 ...
21:00 < mnemoc> :)
21:03 < Postal> ok i am going out for a bit.. ill be back later
21:04 < rxr> I need a electricity sponsor so I can just leave some boxes building and regtest in a loop ...
21:06 < mnemoc> also bw sponsor so tfh doesn't hunt you
21:06 < rxr> well - I do not care as long as they do not throw the box out of the window there ...
21:08 < rxr> well - ok that would not hurt too much since it is hardware I got for free ... and includes mostly garbage IBM disks ...
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21:13 < CIA-1> amery * r13348 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xvfb-run: * fixed xvfb-run to use mktemp instead of tempfile
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21:13 < rxr> mnemoc: hey! got linux running useful on the Octane now !!!!!!!!!!
21:14 < mnemoc> kudos!!
21:14 < rxr> so - let's rsync my T2 build stuff onto the hD
21:15 < rxr> HD 
21:15 < rxr> and pray that those binaries run ...
21:15 < rxr> the kernel itself is T2 build and runs ,-)
21:15 < rxr> the binaries on the HD so far are extracted from a gentoo initrd ,-)
21:16 < rxr> there are days where I can be REALLY evil ,-)
21:16 < mnemoc> uhm
21:16 < mnemoc> the goal worth it :)
21:16 < rxr> especially when I need one day to find a working kernel patchset combination that boots up ,-)
21:17 < mnemoc> == 12:20:04 =[5]=> Building office/ooo [2.0.0.1 2.1-stable]. 
21:17 < mnemoc> == 11/12/05 17:17:39 =[5]=> Finished building package ooo.
21:17 < mnemoc> ^--- multilanguage ooo
21:18 < MisterN> only 5 hours? this is a fast machine, eh? :)
21:18 < mnemoc> ccache + sata :)
21:18 < MisterN> :)
21:18 < mnemoc> and without java
21:19 < mnemoc> sata is the bigger pro afaics
21:19 < MisterN> why did they even use java?
21:19 < mnemoc> a similar machine with ata133 takes 7:30h
21:19 < MisterN> do you have the wd raptor?
21:19 < mnemoc> MisterN: Sun OpenOffice?
21:19 < MisterN> oh yes
21:20 < MisterN> good that with ODF it is now reasonable to build an alternative :>
21:20 < rxr> ODF ?
21:21 < mnemoc> open document format
21:21 < mnemoc> staroffice based anyway
21:22 < MisterN> rxr: the new standard format since openoffice 2.0
21:22 < rxr> yeah - I know
21:22 < rxr> just did not figured from your abbrev.
21:23 < MisterN> oh... well :)
21:23 < rxr> mnemoc: so I guess I can go patching ooo to build on trunk now, hm? with X11R7 changes mostly I think ...
21:23 < rxr> mnemoc: you did not build with gcc-4 or so yet ?
21:24 < mnemoc> nope
21:24 < mnemoc> only 2.1 currently
21:28 < rxr> ok - user-space does not work
21:28 < rxr> I feared that
21:29 < rxr> but that is not too much of a problem
21:29 < rxr> one more Build-Target and that is done ,-)
21:29 < rxr> mnemoc: have you tried the Commit.sh modification to seperate with "- " ?
21:29 < CIA-1> amery * r13349 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: * improved ooo to build all languages by default, leaving $ooo_lang available to target tailoring
21:29 < mnemoc> rxr: not yet, but soon
21:30 < rxr> ok - feel free to commit it when it works ,-)
21:30 < mnemoc> rxr: ok ;)
21:31 < CIA-1> rene * r13350 /trunk/package/mips/linux26mips/ (3 files): 
21:31 < CIA-1> * downdated linux26mips (2.6.14-IOC3-R26-IP30-R27 -> 2.6.12-IOC3-R25-IP30-R26)
21:31 < CIA-1>  this is finally a patchset that is appears to be fully functional on the
21:31 < CIA-1>  Octan on my desk ,-)
21:43 < mnemoc> :-D
22:48 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-sparc64-v9vis-desktop:
22:48 < rxr> 973 builds total, 846 completed fine, 119 with errors.
22:48 < rxr> fixes anyone ?
22:49 < mnemoc> i have to solve 2.1 and 2.1@amd64 first :(
22:49 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, xvfb works like a charm :)
22:50 < mnemoc> now we could run mozilla on build time to get registrations
22:50 < rxr> mnemoc: mozilla was no issue
22:50 < rxr> firefox was
22:50 < mnemoc> oh
22:50 < rxr> though I commited a piece of code in the meantime that might work
22:50 < mnemoc> much better
22:52 < mnemoc> configprefix=xvfb-run <--- diacanvas :'(
22:52 < rxr> ?
22:53 < rxr> ok - /me to susan - cu tomorrow morning I think
22:53 < mnemoc> cu rxr
22:53 < rxr> though tomorrow I need to do some uni and T2 PR bits for the world expo ...
22:53 < mnemoc> i had to run ./configure inside an X
22:53 < rxr> not too much tinkering on MIPS I fear ...
22:53 < mnemoc> when is the world expo?
22:53 < rxr> mnemoc: you are evil
22:53 < rxr> next week
22:53 < rxr> cu - need to catch a bus ,-)
22:53 < mnemoc> 2 days or 9 days?
22:53 < mnemoc> ok, bye bye
22:54 < CIA-1> amery * r13351 /trunk/package/gnome2/diacanvas/ (. diacanvas.conf diacanvas.desc gnomecanvas_py.patch): * added diacanvas (0.14.2) - a library for drawing diagrams
22:55 < CIA-1> amery * r13352 /trunk/misc/archive/Commit.sh: * improved misc/archive/Commit.sh to add a '-' delimiter between version and title on 'added' commits
22:59 < CIA-1> amery * r13353 /trunk/ (Documentation/PKG-BUILD-VARS scripts/functions.in): * introduced $pyscript to alter the script/program which execute setup.py on python builds
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23:06 < CIA-1> amery * r13354 /trunk/package/develop/gaphor/ (. gaphor.conf gaphor.desc): * added gaphor (0.7.1) - UML modeling tool for Gnome
23:15 < CIA-1> amery * r13355 /trunk/package/editors/amyedit/amyedit.desc: * changed amyedit to install on gnome2 prefix
23:26 < rxr> re
23:26 < rxr> the fair is 3 days
23:27 < mnemoc> i mean in how many days
23:28 < rxr> the fair is mid. next weekl
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23:44 < CIA-1> amery * r13356 /branches/2.1/package/editors/amyedit/ (. amyedit.desc amyedit.desc): * merged 13337,13355 from trunk: added amyedit (0.9)
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