--- Log opened Fri Nov 11 00:00:54 2005
00:09 < mnemoc> valentin: you can add the password between the login and @ delimited by :
00:12 < mnemoc> valentin: package/audio/openal/openal.desc:[D] cvs://:pserver:guest:guest@opensource.creative.com:/usr/local/cvs-repository openal -D 2004-10-20
00:18 < valentin> thx mnemoc 
00:19 < karasz> is megaraid and/or magaraid2 supported by kernel 2.6 by default?
00:20 < mnemoc> # grep -i megaraid boot/kconfig_2.*
00:20 < mnemoc> boot/kconfig_2.4.31-dist:CONFIG_SCSI_MEGARAID=m
00:20 < mnemoc> boot/kconfig_2.4.31-dist:CONFIG_SCSI_MEGARAID2=m
00:20 < mnemoc> boot/kconfig_2.6.11.12-skas3-dist:# CONFIG_MEGARAID_NEWGEN is not set
00:20 < mnemoc> boot/kconfig_2.6.11.12-skas3-dist:CONFIG_MEGARAID_LEGACY=m
00:22 < karasz> ? 2.6.11.12-skas3 ?
00:22 < karasz> skas3?
00:23 < karasz> nevermind
00:23 < karasz> i got it
00:23 < karasz> thanks
00:25 < karasz> hmmm maybe i don't get it.. :(
00:25 < karasz> skas isn't rekated to uml?
00:25 < mnemoc> yes, to host uml machines
00:26 < mnemoc> if you enable uml_utilities, you get 'skas3' patch on your kernel for the same price
00:26 < karasz> so vanila 2.6... does not support those?
00:26 < mnemoc> ?
00:26 < karasz> it was something about renaming the drivers somewhere in 2.6.9.5 i guess
00:26 < mnemoc> brb
00:33 < CIA-1> pfister * r13296 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/hotplug.d/default/90-backup.hotplug: Add customer APZ (apz export)
00:36 < MisterN> cya
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00:37 < CIA-1> amery * r13297 /branches/2.1/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_bison.patch: * merged 13294 from trunk: fixed dietlibc bison patch to apply on bison-2.0
00:43 < CIA-1> amery * r13298 /branches/2.1/package/emulators/wine/ (6 files): * merged 9994,10356,10992,13106,13288 from trunk: updated wine (20050524 -> 0.9.1)
00:43 < valentin> btw: we could need some "stop after package is build before doing cleanup" feature in BuildPkg
00:43 < valentin> i mentioned some time before...
00:46 < mnemoc> there is a 'always cleanup'.... we could make it {-1,0,1} to support 'never cleanup' 
00:47 < mnemoc> what i do is: var_append postinstall 5 'false'  anyway :)
00:47 < mnemoc> hook_add
00:48 < valentin> mnemoc: i do the same thing - but it is anoying to edit conf files just to get some look at compiled objects
00:52 < mnemoc> i would prefer a Build-{Pkg,Target} argument
00:58 < valentin> me too
01:14 < valentin> have to sleep now, gn8
01:15 < karasz> what about ReiserFS4, some info if anyone has it...
01:15 < karasz> gn8 valentin 
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01:52 < CIA-1> pfister * r13299 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/.fluxbox/ (keys menu): Correct some typo errors
02:16 < CIA-1> amery * r13300 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfce4-battery-plugin/xfce4-battery-plugin.desc: * updated xfce4-battery-plugin (0.2.0 -> 0.3.0)
02:17 < CIA-1> amery * r13301 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfce4-netload-plugin/xfce4-netload-plugin.desc: * updated xfce4-netload-plugin (0.3.2 -> 0.3.3)
02:18 < CIA-1> amery * r13302 /trunk/package/xfce4/libxfcegui4/toolbar-fix.patch: * fixed copyright note on libxfcegui4/toolbar-fix.patch
02:19 < CIA-1> amery * r13303 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfce4-taskbar-plugin/ (. xfce4-taskbar-plugin.desc): * added xfce4-taskbar-plugin (0.2.2)
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03:31 < mnemoc> gn8
03:33 < CIA-1> amery * r13304 /trunk/package/xfce4/libxfcegui4/toolbar-fix.patch: * removed obsolete libxfcegui4 patch
03:39 < CIA-1> amery * r13305 /trunk/package/shells/bash/bash.conf: * improved bash.conf to make 'which' only if a hookable var is set.
03:40 < CIA-1> amery * r13306 /trunk/package/base/embutils/ (4 files): * improved embutils to remotly disable it's tools shared with traditional packages. cmd on diffutils, write on util-linux and which on bash
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04:30 < madtux> re.
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09:32 < valentin> moin
09:34 < rxr> moin valentin 
09:34 < rxr> due to old SCSI disks the Octane is not too silent .-(
09:35 < rxr> the memory was tinkered on - the firmware complained the modules need to be installed in a row without gaps and thus I moved modules around
09:36 < rxr> and the system board's case frame is damaged ... :-(
09:36 < rxr> but well - guess that is what one get's for 80EUR
09:36 < rxr> but it contains the video i/o board ...
09:36 < rxr> so if you ever wanted to produce tv shows ....
09:36 < rxr> ... we now have a video I/O pro board ...
09:51 < valentin> hi rxr
09:51 < valentin> nice
09:53 < rxr> where the last most probably only works under Irix ... unless we reverse eng. it ...
10:21 < CIA-1> rene * r13307 /trunk/package/develop/git/ (. git.cache git.conf git.desc): * added git (2005-11-11)
10:22 < CIA-1> rene * r13308 /trunk/package/develop/git/git.desc: * added U tag to git
10:32 < valentin> interpolating the current speed since r10^4, there will be r20000 in about 9 month
10:33 < valentin> rxr: is imap working for you on our server ? i get too much timeout stuff atm ...
10:33 < rxr> works for me (tm)
10:34 < valentin> right now ?
10:34 < rxr> yes
10:34 < valentin> hm
10:34 < valentin> maybe my connection is kind of screwed...
10:35 < rxr> I wonder when this linux-mips git checkout will finished (if ever)
10:35 < valentin> restarting kmail worked ... tststs...
10:36 < rxr> yep - kmail is also not that rock solid ... :-(
10:36 < valentin> :(
10:36 < rxr> I have to restart it once a day, especially when the office reconnects and I have to re-start the ssh tunnel ...
10:37 < valentin> i never have that problem here at home with my permanent lan connection :)
10:37 < valentin> showering, cu
10:38 < rxr> cu
10:38 < rxr> ent 6733 bytes  received 29496 bytes  14491.60 bytes/sec
10:38 < rxr> total size is 12341  speedup is 0.34
10:38 < rxr> linux-mips git checkout ...
10:43 < rxr> how annoying - now I have this linux-mips git tree and the octane patch fails in other chunks ...
10:43 < rxr> my oh my ...
10:43 < rxr> guess they are some hours out of sync
10:43  * rxr reading git docu how to supply a date revision ...
10:55 < owl> moin
10:56 < rxr> moin owl 
10:58 < rxr> owl: do you already use t2 for anything, or what kind of OS do you currently run?
10:59 < owl> rxr: nah. slackware. t2 would be great for this ibm rs6000... but no chance to get it working
11:04 < rxr> do you have slackware on the rs6k ?
11:04 < owl> nope. slackware is on all other machines here. on the ibm there's still aix
11:05 < rxr> ic
11:05 < owl> well. if my bf and /me seperate, then the ibm won't be with me anymore, too...
11:05 < rxr> owl: ouhm ?
11:06 < owl> rxr: it's his machine. he just gives me access to it.
11:07 < rxr> yeah - just that your statement did not appear too optimistic
11:09 < owl> yeah. it's just realistic... he get's on my nerves mostly - like in "ausseinandergelebt" -> the chance that we will "seperate" is quite high.
11:28 < rxr> so - IP30, Sgi Octane, patched kernel on the way building ...
12:06 < CIA-1> rene * r13309 /trunk/package/mips/linux26mips/ (. fb-hotfix.patch linux26mips.conf linux26mips.desc): 
12:06 < CIA-1> * added linux26mips (2.6.14-IOC3-R26-IP30-R27) - a special git snapshot
12:06 < CIA-1>  and patches for MIPS, especially Sgi machines currently hardwired for
12:06 < CIA-1>  the Sgi Octane / Octane2
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13:09 < madtux> moin.
13:13 < rxr> moin madtux 
13:14 < madtux> good day Rene.
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14:11 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
14:11 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov  4 16:55:33 2005]
14:11 [Users #t2]
14:11 [ _Ragnar_] [ madtux] [ owl ] [ sepp    ] [ sparc-kly] 
14:11 [ CIA-1   ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ SerWou  ] [ valentin ] 
14:11 [ jsaw    ] [ mtr   ] [ rxr_] [ Shingo--] 
14:11 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
14:11 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug  8 21:15:33 2004
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15:25 < mnemoc> moin!
15:27 < madtux> hello mny
15:27 < mnemoc> hi codetux
15:29 < mnemoc> rxr: have you build an static/dietlibc based system beyond stage 1?
15:30 < mnemoc> rxr: Build-Tools doesn't find gcc when trying to build cmd_wrapper right before 2-binutils
16:39 < CIA-1> amery * r13310 /branches/2.1/package/xfce4/ (26 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
16:39 < CIA-1> * merged 13246 from trunk: updated libxfce4util (4.2.2 -> 4.2.3.1)
16:39 < CIA-1> * merged 13245 from trunk: updated libxfce4mcs (4.2.2 -> 4.2.3)
16:39 < CIA-1> * merged 12738,13247,13302,13304 from trunk: updated libxfcegui4 (4.2.2 -> 4.2.3)
16:39 < CIA-1> * merged 13262 from trunk: updated xffm (4.2.2 -> 4.2.3)
16:39 < CIA-1> * merged 13263 from trunk: updated xfprint (4.2.2 -> 4.2.3)
16:40 < CIA-1> * merged 13248 from trunk: updated xfcalendar (4.2.2 -> 4.2.3)
16:48 < rxr> does anyone know how to checkout with git a specific date ?
16:53 < mnemoc> no idea, but cogito may do it easier
17:01 < rxr> cogito ?
17:01 < rxr> mnemoc: t2 pr shows fruits ... - now I even have end users calling me ...
17:01 < mnemoc> a helper
17:02 < mnemoc> oh
17:02 < mnemoc> where?!
17:02 < madtux> NICE
17:02 < mnemoc> http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/cogito/README
17:02 < madtux> would be cool to have a T2 mug and tshirt
17:04 < rxr> mnemoc: where == on my phone here ..
17:04 < mnemoc> :D
17:04 < mnemoc> users or customers? :)
17:05  * madtux phears to call rxr
17:06 < rxr> mnemoc: users - like "I read about t2 - I just wondered if there is a hardcopy to purchase of the german handbooK" ...
17:07 < mnemoc> "I read about t2 and got core architect's phone number"?
17:07 < madtux> haha
17:07 < madtux> mnemoc: business is business
17:15 < rxr> mnemoc: it is in every of my mails, soo ...
17:15 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe I should call you as well when even mr. archivista talked to you already ,-)
17:16 < mnemoc> my spoken english is _pathetic_
17:16 < madtux> your voice tone is _funny_
17:16 < mnemoc> he haven't sent me the 'doc' about what he needs
17:17 < mnemoc> bah
17:18 < madtux> i think i am just going to shut up now.
17:19 < mnemoc> madtux: ?
17:19 < rxr> mnemoc: he is as busy as we are ...
17:19 < mnemoc> rxr: ok, i'll wait :)
17:19 < rxr> mnemoc: normal to docs to be deliverd dasys +++
17:20 < mnemoc> rxr: is their cvs reachable from internet? the working copy the machine he gave me points to a private ip which is not even reachable from there
17:21 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - their cvs server is in-house so far
17:21 < SerWou> hello guys, back from vacations ;)
17:21 < rxr> the box might be on the DMZ that can not reach that
17:27 < rxr> has anyone here seriously looked into git ?
17:28 < CIA-1> amery * r13311 /trunk/package/xfce4/thunar/ (. thunar.desc): * added thunar (0.2.4)
17:28 < mnemoc> rxr: never, but i was told it's only _usable_ using cogito
17:42 < CIA-1> amery * r13312 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfmedia/ (. xfmedia.desc): * added xfmedia (0.9.1)
17:43 < CIA-1> amery * r13313 /trunk/package/xfce4/thunar/thunar.desc: * fixed thunar's [V]
17:43 < rxr> I find no damn howto checout an older version / revision ...
17:45 < rxr> wht the hell did Linus came up with such a crap
17:45 < rxr> damn - I just want some old linux-mips kernel and can not because git is in my way ... - f*ck
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17:48 < mnemoc> git is worse than tla
17:49 < mnemoc> bazar tries to solve tla problem
18:04 < sepp> moin 
18:06 < mnemoc> moin sepp 
18:06 < sepp> hi mnemoc 
18:10 < sepp> hmm trunks 1-glibc: checking for i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc... Cross_CC_not_built_so_far_cc
18:10 < sepp> what does that mean?
18:11 < mnemoc> grep -n not_built_so_far scripts/
18:11 < mnemoc> grep -n not_built_so_far scripts/*
18:11 < sepp> :)
18:18 < mnemoc> sepp: do you know an easy (and free) tool to draw human-like models?
18:18 < sepp> comic like with a wacom or so?
18:19 < sepp> hmm not really
18:19 < mnemoc> i mean software :)
18:19 < mnemoc> i can't even draw using a pen
18:20 < sepp> well, i mean with a tablet input device like wacom
18:21 < sepp> hmm somehow gcc disappeared from my pkg list
18:22 < sepp> that might very well explain why there is no cc :D
18:22 < mnemoc> uhm
18:25 < CIA-1> sebastian * r13314 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in: * added gcc to 00-minimal
18:27 < rxr> git-
18:27 < rxr> Display all 107 possibilities? (y or n) 
18:27 < rxr> ...
18:27 < mnemoc> try cogito
18:28 < rxr> I just want a older revision - that can not be that hard ...
18:28 < rxr> can it ?
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18:29 < misl> hi folks
18:31 < mnemoc> rxr: i guess
18:31 < mnemoc> hi misl 
18:31 < misl> hi mnemoc :)
18:32 < sepp> hi misl 
18:32 < misl> glibc working yet on noisy ;-)
18:33 < misl> hi sepp
18:35 < rxr> git diff linux-2.6.12 > diff-to-2.6.12
18:35 < rxr> seems to do something ...
18:35 < rxr> hi misl 
18:36 < CIA-1> amery * r13315 /trunk/scripts/ (Download functions.in): * improved Download and bz2filename() to auto-convert .tar files into .tar.bz2
18:38 < rxr> .o
18:39 < rxr> when you are at it ... - I think we do not yet translate tbz into tar.bz2 or so ...
18:39 < rxr> at least I saw a (raw) scrolling by some days ago
18:39 < rxr> I think it was on Botan
18:42 < mnemoc> rxr: but that 'late' change may give troubles on mirrors
18:42 < rxr> wouldn't it just check that out ...
18:42 < rxr> I can test later
18:43 < rxr> still fighting to get and old revision out of linux-mips-git 
18:43 < mnemoc> '-e s,\.\(t\?\)\(gz\|Z\)$,.\1bz2,' <--- this is the current 'translation'
18:44 < CIA-1> amery * r13316 /trunk/package/network/cryptcat/ (. cryptcat.desc): * added cryptcat (1.2.1)
18:45 < CIA-1> mtr * r13317 /trunk/package/base/procps/procps.desc: * updated procps (3.2.5 -> 3.2.6)
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18:47 < CIA-1> mtr * r13318 /trunk/package/x11/vnc-tight/ (. vnc-tight.conf vnc-tight.desc): * added vnc-tight (1.3dev7)
18:48 < CIA-1> mtr * r13319 /trunk/package/develop/gwenhywfar/gwenhywfar.desc: * updated gwenhywfar (1.19.0 -> 1.19.1)
18:49 < CIA-1> mtr * r13320 /trunk/package/multimedia/vdr/vdr.desc: * updated vdr (1.3.35 -> 1.3.36)
18:49 < rxr> cu later
18:49 < CIA-1> mtr * r13321 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.1.6 -> 4.1.7)
18:50 < CIA-1> mtr * r13322 /trunk/package/network/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.desc: * updated ndiswrapper (1.4 -> 1.5)
18:53 < CIA-1> mtr * r13323 /trunk/package/security/opensc/ (gcc4-hotfix.patch opensc.conf opensc.desc): * updated opensc (0.9.6 -> 0.10.0)
18:53 < CIA-1> mtr * r13324 /trunk/package/office/aqbanking/aqbanking.desc: * updated aqbanking (1.6.0beta -> 1.6.1)
18:55 < CIA-1> mtr * r13325 /trunk/package/security/clamav/clamav.desc: * updated clamav (0.87 -> 0.87.1)
19:07 < CIA-1> amery * r13326 /trunk/package/network/cryptcat/cryptcat.conf: * added cryptcat.conf to let it build and install properly
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19:22 < MisterN> hi
19:24 < mnemoc> hi MisterG
19:27 < MisterN> you talking to ME?
19:27 < mnemoc> not talking, just greeting
19:29 < MisterN> and not even that
19:29 < mnemoc> ok
19:30 < MisterN> i will forgive you though :p
19:30 < mnemoc> ok
19:31 < mnemoc> :)
19:31 < CIA-1> amery * r13327 /branches/2.1/package/base/runit/rockify.patch: * merged 13290 from trunk: fixed runit/3 to stop gdm, kdm and xdm on the beging so they don't respawn
19:43 < MisterN> what filesystems are you guys using?
19:43 < MisterN> <- ext3
19:44 < mnemoc> reiserfs
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19:59 < karasz> moin all
20:00 < mnemoc> moin karasz 
20:01 < karasz> my motherboard left us :(
20:03 < mnemoc> :(
20:04 < karasz> the sad part is that it leaved with my hdd too
20:04 < karasz> so 120 gb down the drain
20:06 < karasz> hehe now i got a kinki prespapier 
20:07 < mnemoc> outch
21:08 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | SAY HELLO, don't ask to ask, just ask.
21:10 < sepp> hello
21:11 < mnemoc> hello sepp :)
21:11 < sepp> :)
21:11 < MisterN> HELLO
21:13 < mnemoc> do you suggest any other sentence to say that?
21:14 < mnemoc> should i remove the 'greeting' part?
21:15 < sepp> no sounds rather friendly compared to most channels
21:16 < MisterN> you could write "Do not hesitate greeting" or something like this
21:16  * mnemoc looking for a dictionary
21:17 < MisterN> http://dict.leo.org/ <- here.
21:18 < mnemoc> i'm not german ;)
21:18 < MisterN> oh ok :)
21:19 < mnemoc> "Do not hesitate greeting or asking, just ask"
21:19 < mnemoc> ?
21:20 < MisterN> not sure
21:21 < MisterN> maybe some native speaker could provide the optimal solution :)
21:22 < mnemoc> any native speaker around? :)   any 'sentence' proposal?
21:22 < _Ragnar_> hesitate to ask
21:22 < mnemoc> and the greeting?
21:23 < _Ragnar_> give us a greeting and hesitate to ask any questions you have :)
21:23 < _Ragnar_> don't hesitate*
21:24 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
21:25 < mnemoc> we are a friendly channel :)
21:25 < karasz> Jump in and ask your T2 realted  question, please :) 
21:25 < owl> lol. 
21:25 < karasz> but it is not original so i guess you can not use it...
21:25 < karasz> hi owl 
21:25 < mnemoc> ?
21:26 < mnemoc> welcome to the friendly channel, owlinette
21:26 -!- MisterN changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-) - without asking for permission
21:26 < MisterN> teh power
21:27 < karasz> MisterN isn't that too long?
21:27 < mnemoc> ack
21:27 < mnemoc> too long
21:27 < karasz> :)
21:27 < MisterN> but it's part of my identiy now
21:27 < mnemoc> the long things?
21:27 < MisterN> the last part of the topic
21:28 < mnemoc> ok
21:28 < karasz> `Save bandwith-ask your question directly`
21:28 < mnemoc> nerd
21:28 < mnemoc> :)
21:28 < karasz> yup
21:29  * karasz is arranging googles....
21:31 < CIA-1> sebastian * r13328 /trunk/package/editors/fxscintilla/ (. fxscintilla.cache fxscintilla.desc): * added fxscintilla (1.63)
21:31 < CIA-1> sebastian * r13329 /trunk/package/ruby/fxruby/ (. fxruby.cache fxruby.conf fxruby.desc): * added fxruby (1.4.3)
21:33 < mnemoc> MisterN: i'll cut a part of your identity, sorry.  too long
21:33 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
21:33 < MisterN> AAAAH! *cries*
21:33 < MisterN> excuse me, slept too long.
21:34  * mnemoc gives dibucaine to poor MisterN 
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21:35 < madtux> re
21:35 < mnemoc> wb madtux 
21:35 < karasz> hi madtux
21:35 < madtux> thanks mnemoc
21:35 < madtux> hello karasz
21:35 < sepp> hello madtux 
21:36 < madtux> yar ! :)
21:37 < owl> hi madtux 
21:37 < misl> hi maddy :D
21:38 < mnemoc> hi rocketman
21:38 < misl> :)
21:38 < misl> mnemoc: I saw you did some noisy things. Did it work out?
21:39 < mnemoc> no
21:39 < misl> :(
21:39 < mnemoc> i have to do some merges for glibc/glibc32 packages
21:39 < misl> is glibc supposed to work for trunk now?
21:39 < mnemoc> misl: why do you use my 'mnemoc' screen? :)
21:40 < mnemoc> misl: i guess so
21:40 < misl> mnemoc: sorry, I just did screen -r and I ended up in yours.
21:41 < mnemoc> :)
21:41 < mnemoc> greedy boy
21:41 < karasz> guys and girls i have to go now
21:42 < misl> I guess you're right, why would I else have a noisy box :)
21:42 < karasz> cu tomorrow hopefully in better conditions
21:42 < mnemoc> :D
21:42 < misl> cu karasz
21:42 < mnemoc> and a house on a forest
21:42 < misl> :)
21:43 < mnemoc> i think the house say more about you than the noisy box ;)
21:43 < misl> :) What does it say?
21:43 < misl> I am a mistery to myself
21:43 < mnemoc> :)
21:44 < mnemoc> my english is to poor to answer that
21:44 < madtux> Lord Minto
21:44 < madtux> :)
21:44 < madtux> Eule :)
21:44 < misl> mnemoc: No problem, I understand German too. :)
21:45 < MisterN> misl: only german and english?
21:45 < misl> No, dutch too :)
21:45 < MisterN> oh ok
21:46 < MisterN> that's the language where you understand some of the written words but not any word if spoken
21:46 < misl> lol
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21:47 < mnemoc> what's worse, dutch or dansk?
21:47 < misl> dunno, I only speak dutch :)
21:48 < misl> So in my opinion dansk is worst :D
21:48 < MisterN> yeah in dansk i'll probably not even understand all letters *g*
21:49 < misl> But I think chinese is even worser. I understand none  of the letters/glyphs
21:49 < misl> ni hao
21:49 < MisterN> misl: and russian?
21:49 < misl> da
21:50 < madtux> voce fala portugues tambem Minto ?
21:50 < madtux> :)
21:50 < mnemoc> bbl
21:50 < MisterN> madtux: brasilians tal like that, eh?
21:50 < madtux> mnemoc: cya
21:50 < MisterN> *talk
21:50 < madtux> MisterN: yeah
21:50 < misl> sorry, maddy, no comprende
21:51 < madtux> misl: in this case you would say "nao entendeu" as its portuguess
21:51 < madtux> "no comprende" would be in spanish :)
21:51 < MisterN> madtux: so you are either brasilian or portuguese or one of those rare individuals who speak portuguese as a foreign language :D
21:51 < madtux> MisterN: third choice
21:51 < madtux> :)
21:51 < madtux> MisterN: how about u?
21:52 < misl> madtux: I know it was spanish, but that is the closest (geographically) I get to portugues. :)
21:52 < MisterN> german, english, some french
21:52 < misl> ahh, that makes you German for sure.
21:52 < MisterN> yessir
21:53 < MisterN> "english, spanish" would make me american i fear
21:53 < madtux> misl: spreche deutsch?
21:53 < MisterN> madtux: <misl> mnemoc: No problem, I understand German too. :)
21:53 < madtux> hehe
21:53 < madtux> :)
21:53 < misl> ziemlich gut
21:54 < MisterN> misl: did you find german hard to learn? :)
21:55 < madtux> oh Gott... mein deutsch ist scheisse 
21:55 < madtux> :)
21:55 < madtux> i mean :(
21:55 < MisterN> but you know the "bad words" :P
21:55 < misl> MisterN: Nope, my parents had german friends when I was a kid. And I always watched german television in the afternoon.
21:56 < madtux> MisterN: well i had to learn something
21:56 < misl> Most dutch people have mixed feelings with the word "affengeil"
21:57 < MisterN> err why? not that i use it :D
21:57 < misl> freely translated into dutch this would become "apengijl" something like horny monkey.
21:58 < MisterN> "horny like a monkey" is the real meaning
21:58 < MisterN> so what? :)
21:59 < misl> We have to word geil too, but do not use it very often. So when we learn that word in school (yes we get German at school) everybody in nervously laughing.
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22:00 < misl> bye bye maddy
22:00 < MisterN> and we laughed when we heard (in the french lessons) the word "fiche"
22:00 < MisterN> because it sound like fish/fisch
22:01 < MisterN> but you learned the word "geil" in school? funny.
22:01 < misl> Even though I got some french in school I never got beyond:
22:01 < misl> je ne parle pas francais.
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22:04 < MisterN> misl: i always thought the german foreign language education is quite good. especially when i went to france *g*
22:05 < misl> that would be of the last 1 or 2 decades then. Because I recall a time where hardly any German spoke a foreign language :)
22:07 < MisterN> well i'm kinda young
22:07 < misl> Hey I am not that old :)
22:07 < MisterN> younger than 2 decades that is :P
22:08 < misl> A few more years and I complete 4
22:08 < misl> Where in germany are you from ?
22:10 < MisterN> ulm.
22:10 < MisterN> between stuttgart and munich, at the danube
22:10 < misl> hmm, sounds tiny, where would that be?
22:11 < misl> Ahh, in the south
22:11 < MisterN> well it's "midsize" (100000 inhabitants)
22:11 < MisterN> fortunately germany has not many "megacities" :)
22:13 < misl> are you sure? How about the ruhr area. Sounds like one big city with a lof of names. :)
22:14 < MisterN> yes
22:14 < MisterN> "not many"
22:14 < MisterN> berlin and munich are big but no "megacities"
22:14 < misl> We have a area like that in the Netherlands too. It is called the Randstad. Compared to the ruhr area the air quality is even worse.
22:15 < misl> :( I have to live in that area
22:15 < MisterN> i'm very happy not to live in the ruhr area
22:15 < misl> The Randstad comprises Amsterdam, Den Haag, Rotterdam and Utrecht.
22:16 < MisterN> is this everything except the borders? *G*
22:16 < misl> sort of.
22:16 < misl> I am more like Otto
22:17 < misl> the friesenjung vom hinterm Deich
22:17 < MisterN> oh like mr. platzek *g*
22:18 < misl> sorry don't know mr. platzek
22:18 < MisterN> heh shame on you
22:18 < MisterN> the new boss of the social democrats *g*
22:20 < misl> the only late german political thing I know it that you will get a Kanzlerin.
22:21 < MisterN> quite probably
22:21 < MisterN> which is of symbolic importance
22:21 < MisterN> the good thing: she's a scientist
22:22 < misl> hehe, the bad thing: she is a politician
22:23 < misl> I am about to hit the sheets
22:23 < misl> sleep well MisterN
22:23 < MisterN> i'm full of hope. why shouldn't i be? i'm not responsible. if the polls had been at their regular date, I'd be responsible.
22:23 < MisterN> cya *G*
22:23 < misl> sleep well all others too.
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22:32 < rxr> re
22:38 < rxr> git sucks
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