--- Log opened Wed Nov 02 00:00:31 2005
00:01 < morfoh_> Baldzius: good :)
00:01 -!- morfoh_ is now known as morfoh
00:04 < morfoh> good night folks .... have to go sleep 
00:04 < Baldzius> gn8 morfoh
00:04 < morfoh> thx Baldzius 
00:08 < CIA-15> aldas * r13085 /trunk/package/base/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20051025 -> 20051101)
00:28 < valentin> double time
00:28 < valentin> gn8 all
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08:00 < valentin> moin
08:39 < valentin> cu later
09:38 < rxr> re
09:40 < Baldzius> good morning 
09:40 < Baldzius> 2075 builds total, 1975 completed fine, 100 with errors.
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09:52 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 TAGGED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
09:52 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Mon Oct 31 14:00:49 2005]
09:52 [Users #t2]
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09:54 < CIA-15> aldas * r13086 /trunk/package/develop/pwlib/pwlib.conf: 
09:54 < CIA-15> * removed "--disable-ldap" option from pwlib.conf
09:54 < CIA-15>  ^^ fixed by mtr r13079 ^^
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10:01 < rxr_> mnemoc: morfoh: it is not true we pass wll --with-bla and --without-foo now
10:01 < rxr_> mnemoc: morfoh: we only do so if the configure script has a statement to accept them all
10:01 < rxr_> mnemoc: morfoh: that is equal to how we pass --enable and --disable thru
10:02 < rxr_> mnemoc: mnemoc: and when I see Baldzius regression test build numbers there can not be many regressions ...
10:02 -!- You're now known as rxr
10:02  * rxr on the way back home - cu
10:07 < jsaw> re
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10:39 < rxr> re
10:39 < rxr> hi jsaw 
10:40 < jsaw> hi rxr 
10:49 < CIA-15> jsaw * r13087 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_iproute2.patch: 
10:49 < CIA-15> * iproute uses "getline" which is in dietlibc's libcompat.a
10:49 < CIA-15>  -> link to it
10:49 < jsaw> hmm, works...
10:50 < jsaw> my system is now a bit inconsitent... but commiting works again
10:51 < CIA-15> aldas * r13088 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnomemeeting/openldap23.patch: * added gnomemeeting/openldap23.patch
10:56 < CIA-15> jsaw * r13089 /trunk/package/develop/lua/lua.desc: * update lua (5.1-alpha -> 5.1-beta (rc))
11:13 < CIA-15> sebastian * r13090 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.conf: * fixed $mesadir to not remove -*
11:13 < CIA-15> sebastian * r13091 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/mesa.conf: * fixed typo
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11:53 < karasz> hi
11:53 < rxr> hi
11:53 < karasz> :(
11:54 < karasz> build failed :(
11:57  * karasz is sad.....
12:00 < rxr> what failed?
12:00 < rxr> where did you build ?
12:00 < karasz> == 11/01/05 20:24:37 =[1]=> Aborted building package linux26.
12:00 < karasz> my minimal ....
12:01 < karasz> and i realy tried to behave on this one, i didn't stressed it, i didn't talked harsh to it and so on...
12:02 < karasz> anyway i guess i would have started again
12:03 < karasz> because i didn't checked if in the kernel config ipr was enabled or not
12:10 < karasz> rxr where do i find the kernel configuration options for 2.6?
12:13 < rxr> in the expert sections there is a linux kernel config submenu
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12:14 < karasz> it seems that you include ipr by default as a module
12:14 < karasz> which is good
12:15 < karasz> could tha fail be because i choosed optimize for Power5?
12:15 < rxr> do you get s.th. like:
12:15 < rxr> !> arch/ppc64/xmon/xmon.c:633: error: (Each undeclared iden ..
12:15 < rxr> !> arch/ppc64/xmon/xmon.c:633: error: for each function it  ..
12:15 < rxr> !> arch/ppc64/xmon/xmon.c:634: error: `H_Success' undeclare ..
12:15 < rxr> ?
12:15 < karasz> i'll make a pastebin
12:21 < karasz> http://karasz.pastebin.ca/27398
12:22 < karasz> but you can see it on power if i missed smth...
12:25 < CIA-15> sebastian * r13092 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-via/compile.patch: * patch to compile with latest mesa...
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13:06 < rxr> karasz: you may have noticed I logged into the machine and started to polish the powerpc64 kernel config to build
13:08 < karasz> yep 
13:08 < karasz> i saw that :D
13:08 < karasz> if i am very atentif i may see the light at the end of the tunnel...
13:09 < karasz> i scrued up something?
13:10 < karasz> or it just neede a little touch of a Budha?
13:15 < rxr> you?
13:15 < rxr> not that I could see
13:16 < mnemoc> moin
13:19 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc
13:19 < rxr> moin mnemoc
13:19 < CIA-15> jsaw * r13093 /trunk/package/base/file/file.desc: 
13:19 < CIA-15> * add file to stage 0 due to possible interference of host systems
13:19 < CIA-15>  file command in stage 1
13:20 < rxr> jsaw: ?
13:21 < jsaw> magic file format changed, if cross compiling, it uses the host systems "file" command and fails (in stage 1)
13:21 < jsaw> (file 4.07 here)
13:23 < mnemoc> moin Baldzius, rxr, jsaw 
13:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: what's the name of your second daughter?
13:23 < jsaw> hi
13:24 < jsaw> mnemoc: Charlotte Theresa Luna
13:24 < mnemoc> jsaw: how do you call here?
13:25 < jsaw> mnemoc: hmmmm.... I try hard to call here Charlotte or Lotte, but my wife and grand-ma call her "Schlotterbeck"
13:25 < jsaw> or "Schlotti"
13:26 < rxr> Schlotter?
13:26 < jsaw> don't ask me
13:26 < rxr> ouhm
13:27 < jsaw> Charlotte -> s/ar// -> Chlotte ...
13:27 < jsaw> sth. like that
13:28 < jsaw> brb
13:29 < mnemoc> i'll use Charlotte :)
13:31 < valentin> Schlotterbeck ?
13:31 < valentin> does she schlotter ?
13:32  * mnemoc looking at leo
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13:33 < valentin> mnemoc: i do not think schlottern is a real word
13:33 < valentin> verb even
13:33 < valentin> oh, well it is - knie schlottern - forgot about that one
13:34 < mnemoc> shaker?
13:38 < valentin> yep
13:39 < mnemoc> :)
13:41 < karasz> rxr don't mind that it is just a saying we use here in our firm :)
13:42 < karasz> as in Budha the doer of undone things and the maker of unmakeble stuff :)
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13:42 < Baldzius> sherniux: le.lt
13:42 < sherniux> toj
13:42 < karasz> hi Baldzius
13:43 < Baldzius> hi karasz
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13:43 < karasz> hi mnemoc
13:43 < karasz> how are you today?
13:43 < karasz> headacke gone?
13:44 < mnemoc> yes :)
13:44 < karasz> allright
13:45 < karasz> by the way how is the weather there? you are aproaching summer i guess...
13:45 < jsaw> re
13:46 < mnemoc> yes, very hot day
13:46 < jsaw> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
13:46 < jsaw> .oO(damn)
13:46 < karasz> i envy you for that...
13:47 < valentin> mnemoc: how hot will it be at your place in summer ?
13:50 < CIA-15> rene * r13094 /trunk/architecture/x86/ (config.in gcc-options.in kernel.conf.sh): 
13:50 < CIA-15> * added pentium-m optimization to x86, removed a bunch of old
13:50 < CIA-15>  GCC2_ wrapper variables
13:55 < rxr> sepp_: you built for via, right?
13:55 < rxr> sepp_: what optmizations do you use ?
13:55 < morfoh> I guess mnemoc submitted the headaches to me ... I cannot work, read or anything else than closing my eyes :\
13:57 < CIA-15> rene * r13095 /trunk/architecture/x86/ (config.in gcc-options.in kernel.conf.sh): 
13:57 < CIA-15> * fixed x86 to use the new gcc via-* optimizations and not obsolete,
13:57 < CIA-15>  non-existing ones
13:57 < karasz> hmmm sorry to hear that morfoh
13:57 < karasz> did you tried some tea?
13:57 < karasz> hot bath and stuff?
13:59 < morfoh> karasz: thanks ... I tried everything you mentioned already 
13:59 < CIA-15> rene * r13096 /trunk/architecture/x86/gcc-options.in: * cleaned up pentium4 optimization work around (is it still needed?)
14:01 < morfoh> anyway ... I'm out of order. bye :(
14:07 < karasz> bye morfoh and get well
14:09 < CIA-15> rene * r13097 /trunk/package/base/psmisc/psmisc.desc: * updated psmisc (21.6 -> 21.7)
14:09 < CIA-15> rene * r13098 /trunk/package/kde/ (k3b/k3b.desc k3b-i18n/k3b-i18n.desc): 
14:09 < CIA-15> * updated k3b (0.12.6 -> 0.12.7)
14:09 < CIA-15> * updated k3b-i18n (0.12.6 -> 0.12.7)
14:18 < rxr> karasz: linux26 does built now on your box
14:23 < sepp_> rxr: no, i have no via cpu - i think that was mtr 
14:30 < CIA-15> rene * r13099 /trunk/architecture/x86-64/ (config.in gcc-options.in kernel.conf.sh): 
14:30 < CIA-15> * fixed x86-64 kernel configuraiton to not be a x86 copy but set
14:30 < CIA-15>  x86-64 options instead - added Intel EM64T optimization options
14:30 < CIA-15>  (untested)
14:31 < rxr> sepp_: wan't it you tinkering with the unichrome driver ?
14:31 < rxr> t2-2005-08-28:23:00 < sepp> but at least via worked without unichrome patch from unichrome.sf.net
14:32  * rxr confused
14:32 < sepp_> yes, but this notebook has a mad cpu
14:32 < sepp_> but the rest is via
14:32 < sepp_> hehe amd i mean
14:35 < sepp_> now i know why they choose amd as name, it was a typo and they wanted to state that x86 is complete mad
14:39 < mtr> re
14:40 < rxr> sepp_:  ,-)
14:40 < rxr> mtr:  did you do via optimized builds ?
14:41 < mtr> rxr: yes, i am using both via c3 and c3-2 cpus
14:47 < rxr> mtr: could you review / test the via c3* optimizations I changed some minutes ago
14:48 < mtr> iirc, the gcc march=c3/c3-2 optimization is implemented since 3.3.x
14:49 < rxr> in trunk we only support 4.0 - so ,-)
14:50 < mnemoc> valentin: 35°C maximal on summer
14:50 < mnemoc> valentin: and -2°C minimal on winter
15:02 < mtr> rxr: r13095 looks good: "Insert: -march=c3-2", and that's the same optimization setting i've used in the builds before
15:11 < CIA-15> rene * r13100 /trunk/architecture/x86/config.in: * fixed label for pentium-m optimization
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15:18 < CIA-15> sebastian * r13101 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-via/xv.patch: * fixed bogus ifndef
15:21 < mnemoc> rxr: do you know how to tell dropbear to always use a my key to login? ssh -i id_dss works, but rsync doesn't like that :p
15:23 < rxr> hm - have not taken a look on that yet
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15:24 < mnemoc> rsync -avP --rsh="ssh -i $HOME/.ssh/id_dss"   works, but is 'unconfortable'
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15:41 < CIA-15> lars * r13102 /trunk/scripts/config.in: 
15:41 < CIA-15> * fixed the grep pattern that extracts the
15:41 < CIA-15>  number of cpus from /proc/cpuinfo.
15:42 < mnemoc> rxr: ---^ ?
15:45 < rxr> mnemoc: worked for me on serveral boxes
15:46 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
15:46 < rxr> in fact what lars commited does not work
15:46 < mnemoc> it's very unconfortable unionfs doesn't support sendfile :\
15:47 < mnemoc> rxr: maybe bash2 vs. bash3 problem?
15:47 < rxr> it is grep
15:49 < mnemoc> :)
15:53 < karasz> rxr do we realy need linux24?
16:00 < mtr> /proc/cpuinfo may have multiple 'processor' matches, where only the first line is of interest, so wouldn't it be better to change "tail -n 1" to "head -n 1" ? Just wondering ...
16:00 < CIA-15> rene * r13103 /branches/2.1/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
16:00 < CIA-15> * fixed powerpc64 kernel configuration and disable lists
16:00 < CIA-15> * added patch to fix linux24 ppc64/ioctl32 - though linux24 has some
16:00 < CIA-15>  tiny issues remaiing ...
16:02 < rxr> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz
16:02 < rxr> ^- ah - that is what lars fix is for
16:03 < mtr> model name      : AMD Duron(tm) processor
16:03 < mnemoc> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
16:03 < rxr> model name      : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2500+
16:03 < rxr> processor       : 0
16:04 < rxr> cpu             : 604r
16:04 < mnemoc> why do you care about 'processor' on the right side of ':' ?
16:04 < rxr> cpu             : POWER5 (gr)
16:04 < rxr> ok - I think I change this entirely
16:04 < rxr> because on spaarcs it can be that you get processor 0 and 2 without 1 and 3 ...
16:05 < mnemoc> grep '^processor *:' /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l ?
16:05 < rxr> thus I better grep for all entries and word-count them
16:05 < rxr> mnemoc: ack ,-)
16:05 < mnemoc> :)
16:09 < mnemoc> how is 2.1.0 desktop iso for g3 going?
16:16 < CIA-15> rene * r13104 /trunk/scripts/config.in: 
16:16 < CIA-15> * fixed the PARALLEL_MAX default to work with the grep I have and made
16:16 < CIA-15>  it count the processors rather than relying on the kernel to
16:16 < CIA-15>  enumerate them linearly (at least on UltraSPARC they can have holes
16:16 < CIA-15>  and I think the same applies for hot-plugged CPUs as well)
16:19 < mnemoc> hot-plugged CPUs?
16:21 < mnemoc> rxr: grep '^$' /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l   is even cheaper :p
16:23 < rxr> ?
16:24 < rxr> no - let's not rely how many blank lines the kernel hackers inject there
16:24 < mnemoc> i was just kidding
16:42 < rxr> ,-)
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17:07 < karasz> rxr do we realy need linux24?
17:10 < jsaw> bye, cu later
17:11 < karasz> cu jsaw
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17:59 < rxr> karasz: I do not need linux24 ,-)
18:00 < karasz> i guess neither do I
18:00 < karasz> so what about skipping it?
18:03 < karasz> maybe i put it wrong
18:03 < karasz> here is again:
18:04 < karasz> is it important for you (as the T2 project) to have linux24 runnin on ppc64?
18:05 < rxr> don't think so
18:05 < rxr> just add "O linux24" to your package selection
18:05 < karasz> i thought so
18:05 < rxr> linux24 is nto far from compiling
18:05 < rxr> just 3 undefined references
18:05 < karasz> can i use your cfg?
18:05 < rxr> sure - what you like
18:05 < karasz> what is its name, i mean -cfg ???
18:06 < karasz> or should i stick with my minimal?
18:11 < karasz> retrying my minimal 
18:12  * karasz has its fingers crossed
18:15  * karasz is crossing its toes too
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18:40  * karasz is gettin a numb feeling in his limbs linux26 takes tooooooo long
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18:42 < misl> hi folks
18:42 < mnemoc> hi rocket
18:42 < karasz> hi minto
18:47 < valentin> re
18:47 < valentin> http://www.thyla.de/temp_bewegung/bewegung.html
18:47 < valentin> is it moving or not ?
18:47 < mnemoc> no, but yes
18:47 < valentin> :)
18:48 < valentin> if you fix your eyes on one point it stops
18:48 < valentin> but if you look around in the picture one gets a bit fuzzy
18:48 < karasz> definitely stays in one place
18:48 < valentin> yes, i know
18:48 < karasz> :)
18:51 < valentin> this one is nice, too: http://www.patmedia.net/marklevinson/cool/cool_illusion.html
18:52 < mnemoc> oh
18:53 < karasz> really nice
18:53 < valentin> one needs to concentrate very hard on the cross if you want to see a perfect green dot
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19:43 < valentin> cu later
19:49 < mnemoc> cu valentin 
19:53 < morfoh> re hi
19:55 < mnemoc> wb morfoh 
19:55 < mnemoc> feeling better?
19:59 < owl> hi mnemoc 
20:00 < mnemoc> hi owl 
20:01 < owl> hi mnemoc :)
20:14 < CIA-15> amery * r13105 /trunk/misc/archive/fmnewpackage.sh: 
20:14 < CIA-15> * fixed fmnewpackage.sh to handle problerly when no redirection is done when asking for project page
20:14 < CIA-15> * improved fmnewpackage.sh to handle bad cases like no dev_mail or no downloadfile
20:18 < CIA-15> amery * r13106 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (20050725 -> 0.9)
20:19 < karasz> e2fsprogs failed
20:23 < mnemoc> :(
20:24 < karasz> i guess i will give up for today :(
20:27 < karasz> rxr are you around?
20:29 < CIA-15> amery * r13107 /trunk/package/base/cronolog/ (. cronolog.desc): * added cronolog (1.6.2)
20:29 < CIA-15> amery * r13108 /trunk/misc/archive/adddownload.sh: * added small helper to add [D] lines to packages
20:32 < karasz> :'(
20:33 < karasz> i will retire like loosers do: "maybe tomorrow will be a better day"
20:33 < mnemoc> ?
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20:37 < mnemoc> :\
20:45 < morfoh> hi mnemoc
20:45 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 
20:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: thanks, after a small meal it is a bit better
20:46 < morfoh> but still bad headache
20:48 < mnemoc> :\
20:48 < morfoh> the good thing is, that we have a professional nurse here atm
20:49 < mnemoc> what are you doing with a professional nurse there?
20:49 < morfoh> me ? nothing ... but she takes care aout the sick people "lingering" around here in our flat
20:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: I know that wasn't what you wanted to hear :p
20:50 < mnemoc> more than just morfoh?
20:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
20:51 < mnemoc> morfoh: i would love to hear you leave your poor rat in peace ,-)
20:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you mean ? I'd love that he leaves me in peace ;)
20:52 < morfoh> but atm ... he is very behaving very well
20:52 < CIA-15> amery * r13109 /trunk/package/network/phpldapadmin/phpldapadmin.desc: * updated phpldapadmin (0.9.7 -> 0.9.7.1)
20:53 < morfoh> I have to leave for taking a camilla steam bath ... bbl
20:53 < mnemoc> *g*
21:02 < rxr> re
21:03 < mnemoc> wb rxr
21:04 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
21:07 < rxr> ouh
21:07 < rxr> Emerge -force got broken
21:08 < rxr> that is not doing anything anymore
21:08 < rxr> # grep force scripts/Emerge-Pkg
21:08 < rxr> force=0
21:08 < rxr>         echo "Usage: Emerge-Pkg [ -cfg <config> ] [ -dry-run ] [ -force ] [ -noupdate ]"
21:08 < rxr>                 -force)   force=1 ;;
21:08 < rxr> ...
21:09 < rxr> I think I take the opportunity to implement checking all specified packages again
21:09 < rxr> currently the specified packages are built in any case - which I often do not desire
21:11 < mnemoc> i want to rework parts of Emerge to never enqueue O packages as dependencies of X packages
21:13 < rxr> that is easy I thnk
21:13 < rxr> can to this tonight if you like
21:14 < misl> hi rxr, mnemoc
21:15 < mnemoc> rxr: that would be grea
21:15 < mnemoc> t
21:15 < rxr> mnemoc: based on the current package section I guess?
21:15 < mnemoc> packages file
21:19 < mnemoc> sam will care about keeping it consistent with local system
21:21 < mnemoc> rxr: how is ppc build of 2.1.0 going?
21:24 < mnemoc> http://www3.t2-project.org/Members/amery/announce/2.1.0
21:27 < morfoh> hi misl + rxr
21:27 < misl> hey morfoh my friend :)
21:27 < misl> Did you know you have scared the hell out of us?
21:27 < morfoh> misl: hi ... why did you changed your name ?
21:27 < morfoh> misl: why ?
21:28 < misl> someone else was using minto :(
21:28 < morfoh> misl: oh :(
21:28 < morfoh> misl sounds like missile
21:28 < misl> We were scared because your last words were goodby ladies and gentlemen.
21:28 < misl> It is intended to sound like that :)
21:29 < morfoh> :)
21:29 < morfoh> misl: but don't shoot me pls :)
21:29 < misl> and then we did not hear from you for quite a while.
21:29 < misl> Are you worth shooting?
21:30 < morfoh> misl: how do you determine who or what is worth shooting ?
21:30 < misl> :) I ask other people!
21:32 < morfoh> misl: seems that the work at the p*l*c* isn't  healthy for you :p
21:32 < misl> I know my back is hurting
21:33 < morfoh> why ... do they whip their contract workers ? :p
21:34 < misl> No, because the long driving
21:34 < morfoh> "hack faster ... "  ... ouch
21:34 < morfoh> hmmm ... I thought you moved near the work 
21:35 < misl> I will tomorrow. The summerhouse will be mine starting tomorrow.
21:36 < misl> Does anyone has experience with skype?
21:37 < mnemoc> keinek loves it
21:38 < misl> I am thinking of using a skype instead of real phone in my summerhouse.
21:38 < morfoh> misl: yes ... sometimes I use skype 
21:38 < misl> morfoh: do you like it? Do you also use skype in/out?
21:39 < morfoh> misl: I like it because it's very cheap for distance calls 
21:39 < morfoh> but mostly I use normal PSTN
21:40 < morfoh> from a security point of view it doesn't matter, because everything is "monitored"
21:41 < morfoh> misl: but perhaps you know better :p
21:43 < misl> morfoh: I use pstn (isdn) at home too.
21:44 < misl> But the project might just last for another two months. After that I wil offer the place for rent.
21:44 < misl> So I don't want an expensive phone line.
21:45 < misl> But I do want internet :)
21:45 < morfoh> misl: hmmm .... then you should try skype :
21:45 < morfoh> :)
21:45 < misl> I just downloaded it, but I need an always on computer as well.
21:45 < morfoh> misl: you could also watch for alternative VOIP providers
21:46 < morfoh> and buying a small VOIP phone
21:46 < misl> I was also thinking about buying a usb skype phone.
21:46 < morfoh> hmmm ... dunno that
21:47 < misl> I will try to find it again :)
21:47 < morfoh> anyway ... my head is near to explode. I think it's better go sleep.
21:48 < morfoh> good night *
21:48 < misl> goodnight morfoh. sleep well.
21:49 < morfoh> misl: thanks ... :)
21:49 < misl> Hmm, maybe we could come up with a skype t2 target for an always on appliance. :)
21:49 < morfoh> skype is proprietary 
21:49 < morfoh> it's not opensource
21:51 < misl> I know :(
21:52 < morfoh> misl: but we have other oportunities for a VOIP appliance anyway :)
21:52 < misl> shouldn't you be in bed? :)
21:52 < misl> What other voips are there?
21:53 < morfoh> misl: yeah ... but you're the reason why i'm not
21:53 < misl> hehe
21:54 < rxr> rehi
21:54 < morfoh> misl:I will tell you the other options tomorrow ... I really have to go sleep
21:54 < morfoh> wb rxr ... and good night
21:54 < misl> sleep well. morfoh
21:55 < misl> btw, I gotta go to bed as well.
21:55 < morfoh> sleep well minto 
21:55 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
21:56 < misl> Here is a skype alternative: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/06/1345209&from=rss
21:56 < rxr> mnemoc: still here?
21:56 < rxr> misl: skype is not open source
21:56 < misl> rxr: I know. but still
21:56 < rxr> that disqualifies it for me ...
21:56 < rxr> misl: it is not available for the platforms I use mainly
21:57 < misl> rxr: http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/
21:57 < morfoh> rxr: end to end SIP connections shouldn't be the problem anyway 
21:58 < misl> Morfoh, hmm, seems like we're both still up
21:58 < morfoh> seems so :p
21:58 < misl> the great thing about skype is I guess the long distance calls to normal phones.
21:59 < morfoh> misl: it isn't that easy to get up from the chair 
21:59 < _Ragnar_> sip is unencrypted
21:59 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: but you could encrypt it using tunnels
22:00 < _Ragnar_> impractical for wide deployment
22:01 < _Ragnar_> also stunnel and such do not prevent mim attacks
22:01 < CIA-15> rene * r13110 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/install.sh: 
22:01 < CIA-15> * improved archivista/install.sh to not compare the size of the
22:01 < CIA-15>  system partitions - deployed systems seem to sometimes differ due
22:01 < CIA-15>  to freaky disk geometry ... ???
22:01 < CIA-15> * check if both system partitions are 4GB++ instead
22:02 < misl> Now I am off for real, sleep well all.
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22:27 < mtr> re
22:29 < mtr> qt 3.3.5 update breaks some packages
22:29 < mtr> http://www.trolltech.com/developer/tasktracker.html?method=entry&id=85440  <-- read here why
22:30 < mtr> nice workaround ;-)
22:31 < mtr> rxr: as this includehints feature is introduced in 3.3.5 i would suggest to disable it for compatibility reasons
22:32 < Baldzius> mtr: all qt packages compiles
22:32 < mtr> qt patch prepared, test build running ...
22:33 < Baldzius> except one licq, strange it fails on ref
22:33 < mtr> Baldzius: qt itself is fine, but for example aqbanking, qbankmanager, kmymoney fail
22:34 < mtr> at least these three did not compile here
22:34 < rxr> I have not brower open
22:34 < rxr> what is that issue about ?
22:35 < sepp> mtr: does it affect qmake? jahshaka failed because it generated shitty makefiles 
22:35 < Baldzius> iirc aqbanking has gtk issue
22:37 < rxr> we patched some packages due uic or so IIRC
22:37 < mtr> the issue is about .ui files, the Qt designer uses <includehints>, but it saves a filename "classname.h" instead of "includefile.h", and this breaks
22:37 < Baldzius> yes, i will look at kmymoney
22:38 < mtr> Baldzius: aqbanking has this .ui file problem, compiling fails because of missing include files
22:38 < rxr> I think we already have patches for those things
22:38 < rxr> maybe we should revert those if we can fix qt that easily
22:40 < mtr> as this new uic "feature" is introduced in 3.3.5 disabling it should not break anything else ...
22:41 < Baldzius> ( cd tmp.glade && glade-2 -w g2banking.glade ) 
22:41 < Baldzius> (glade-2:23113): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:  
22:41 < Baldzius> make[4]: *** [support.c] Error 1
22:41 < Baldzius> ^^- error from aqbanking ref build
22:43 < sepp> good night all :)
22:43 < Baldzius> gn8 sepp
22:45 < mtr> Baldzius: yes, the gtk frontend is broken, and the qt based frontends have the .ui file problem
22:47 < rxr> n8 sepp 
22:49 < CIA-15> rene * r13111 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: 
22:49 < CIA-15> * unnested conditionals in Emerge-Pkg/add_if_updated for readability
22:49 < CIA-15>  and reindented it - no functional changes
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23:09 < CIA-15> rene * r13112 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: 
23:09 < CIA-15> * fixed Emerge-Pkg to honor the -force option again, only packages
23:09 < CIA-15>  from the command-line are forced, deps are detected as usual
23:10 < rxr> ok - n8 all ,-)
23:10 < Baldzius> gn8 rxr
23:11 < rxr> I acompany susan to the airport in the morning and have a design lecture tomorrow before lunch - so back around lunch ...
23:18 < Baldzius> mtr: kmymoney developers 'll release new version with uic 3.3.5 fixes
23:40 < jsaw> re
23:41 < jsaw> Baldzius: aqbanking... if you fix xvfb-run, it could be fixed...
23:41 < Baldzius> ( cd tmp.glade && glade-2 -w g2banking.glade ) 
23:41 < Baldzius> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gail-gnome": libgail-gnome.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
23:41 < Baldzius> (glade-2:22719): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
23:42 < Baldzius> ^^ - error from emerge
23:42 < jsaw> yeah, get xvfb-run working...
23:42 < Baldzius> :)
23:42 < Baldzius> 'k
23:43 < jsaw> :)
23:43 < jsaw> it's actually only the "tempfile" command that is missing...
23:44 < jsaw> I didn't know how that worked...and therefore skipped this problem...
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23:46 < Baldzius> if you didn't i have no chance :)
23:47 < jsaw> I was actually too lazy to try to find tempfile in the debian repo...
23:48 < jsaw> <- hiding
23:48 < Baldzius> well i'd probably blame glade, but hmm .. seems everything compiles
23:49 < Baldzius> i mean ref build
23:51 < jsaw> I'd also blame glade, there's no reason why it should need a X connection...
23:52 < Baldzius> yes that's strange
23:53 < jsaw> well it's rather a problem of using gtk... you can't initialize it without using X
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23:53 < jsaw> but glade should have some cli version...
23:56 < mnemoc> rxr: pong
23:59 < mnemoc> jsaw: i just stole that xvfb stuff, never tried it :p
23:59 < jsaw> mnemoc: you already told me ;)
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