--- Log opened Tue Nov 01 00:00:31 2005
00:00 < karasz> postgresql built :D
00:02 < valentin> !> busybox: package/base/busybox/busybox.conf: line 42: syn ..
00:02 < valentin> !> busybox: package/base/busybox/busybox.conf: line 42: `       e ..
00:02 < valentin> i hate truncating lines
00:03 < valentin> at least before logfile is created
00:07 < karasz> hmm kinda late
00:07 < karasz> got to sleep so cu guys
00:11 < CIA-15> valentin * r13026 /trunk/package/base/busybox/ (busybox.conf busybox.config rock.config): 
00:11 < CIA-15> * set correct prefix for non emergency tookit builds with symlinks
00:11 < CIA-15> * moved rock.config -> busybox.config
00:16 < CIA-15> rene * r13024 /trunk/package/ (emulators/qemu/qemu.desc powerpc/quik/quik.desc): 
00:16 < CIA-15> * marked qemu to not build on powerpc64 and removed powerpc64 from
00:16 < CIA-15>  the quik architectures
00:18 < CIA-15> valentin * r13027 /trunk/package/base/busybox/busybox.conf: * sorry for the typo :(
00:19 < valentin> minit does not compile anymore, too
00:21 < valentin> btw: why does busybox link a file named '/bin/[' ?
00:22 < valentin> rxr: how do i find out where 'copy outside basedir' destination was ?
00:26 < valentin> hm, the file i search is in basedir, too...
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00:26 < keinek> hi again masters
00:26 < valentin> rxr: is it allowed to create files in $root ?
00:27 < valentin> busybox creates a linuxrc link in $root
00:28 < mnemoc> rehi
00:28 < valentin> hi mnemoc 
00:29 < mnemoc> hi busybox-maintainer
00:29 < valentin> grummel
00:29 < valentin>                         if egrep -qv "  ($flistvalid)/" $builddir/fl_wrapper.wlog
00:29 < valentin> what is inside $flistvalid ?
00:29 < valentin> seems that $root is not allowed for files
00:30 < valentin> however, i do not see any sense for linuxrc to be located in /
00:30 < valentin> i move it to bin, ok ?
00:30 < mnemoc> yes, $root is not a valid root ;)
00:31 < mnemoc> sbin?
00:32 < valentin> yes, did that already :)
00:33 < mnemoc> :)
00:34 < sepp> hmm, would it be ok if i change loop-aes to build kernel mods and include them in the 2.2 initrd if available?
00:35 < CIA-15> valentin * r13028 /trunk/package/base/busybox/linuxrc-location.patch: * install linuxrc in /sbin instead of /
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00:45 < karasz> hi mnemoc
00:45 < karasz> some use --without tk in conjunction with --with tcl on postgres
00:46 < mnemoc> o.o
00:46 < karasz> ?
00:47 < mnemoc> nothing, just looking at you
00:47  * karasz is smiling a little confused
00:48 < karasz> mnemoc it was a very long day for me so please have a little patience
00:49 < karasz> and why are you lookin' at me?
00:49 < karasz> what did i do wrong again?
00:53 < mnemoc> just your tcl without tk on pg
00:54 < mnemoc> on t2 we want to auto configure for the 'reasonable usage' considering the other packages enabled, other usage can be set by target
00:55 < karasz> so you say that is wrong to have --without-tk when one has --with-tcl?
00:55 < mnemoc> no wrong, just weird
00:56 < karasz> on my systems i do not install X at all, doesn't it render Tk unusefull?
00:56 < mnemoc> and you need tcl?
00:57 < karasz> not really but some scripts may need it
00:58 < sepp> good night all
00:58 < mnemoc> gn8 karasz 
00:58 < karasz> gn8 sepp
00:58  * karasz thinks that he was sent to bed enough sillynes for today...
00:59 < mnemoc> :p
00:59  * karasz ouch
00:59 < mnemoc> it was a typo :p
00:59 < karasz> so good night then
00:59 < karasz> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/31/2016223&tid=172&tid=158 
01:00 < karasz> that really goe beyond anything acceptable
01:01 < mnemoc> hm
01:08 < CIA-15> valentin * r13029 /trunk/package/base/busybox/linuxrc-location.patch: * a more usefull patch to archive good install path's
01:09 < valentin> so, this was hopefully the last one regarding busybox for today
01:09 < valentin> fun will continue with minit tomorow
01:19 < valentin> gn8
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01:38 < keinek> hi again
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05:42 < CIA-15> amery * r13023 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_sed.patch: * adapted dietlibc patch for sed-4.1.4
07:27 < rxr> re
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08:51 < CIA-15> rene * r13030 /trunk/package/graphic/cinepaint/cinepaint.desc: * updated cinepaint (0.19-1 -> 0.20-0)
08:51 < CIA-15> rene * r13031 /trunk/package/x11/xlockmore/xlockmore.desc: * updated xlockmore (5.19 -> 5.20.1)
08:58 < Baldzius> moin
08:58 < Baldzius> 2074 builds total, 1958 completed fine, 116 with errors
08:59 < CIA-15> rene * r13032 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * updated imagemagick (6.2.4-6 -> 6.2.5-4)
08:59 < rxr> moin Baldzius 
08:59 < Baldzius> moin rxr
09:20 < CIA-15> rene * r13033 /trunk/package/filesystem/coda/coda.desc: * updated coda (6.0.13 -> 6.0.14)
09:20 < CIA-15> rene * r13034 /trunk/package/develop/commonc++/commonc++.desc: * updated commonc++ (1.3.17 -> 1.3.21)
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09:51 < CIA-15> aldas * r13041 /trunk/package/gnome2/gconf-editor/gconf-editor.desc: * tweaked gconf-editor prio mode to be built after scrollkeeper
09:54 < CIA-15> aldas * r13042 /trunk/package/kde/k3b/k3b.desc: * updated k3b (0.12.5 -> 0.12.6)
09:55 < CIA-15> aldas * r13043 /trunk/package/kde/k3b-i18n/k3b-i18n.desc: * updated k3b-i18n (0.12.5 -> 0.12.6)
10:00 < CIA-15> aldas * r13044 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager.desc: * updated gnome-volume-manager (1.5.3 -> 1.5.4)
10:03 < CIA-15> aldas * r13045 /trunk/package/x11/wmnetload/wmnetload.desc: * tweaked wmnetload prio mode to be built after libdockapp
10:03 < rxr> -[D] 1025906975 mtxdrivers-rh9.0-0.3.0.run ftp://ftp.matrox.com/pub/mga/archive/linux/2003/
10:03 < rxr> +[D] 0 mtxdriver_1_4_1_pro.tar.gz ftp://mgiwsdrv:XbV4s3a2@privftp.matrox.com/private/driver_linux/
10:04 < rxr> ^- if matrox has a password for their damned binary drivers, ...
10:05 < Baldzius> nvidia forever :)
10:06 < CIA-15> aldas * r13046 /trunk/package/graphic/libpano/libpano.desc: * updated libpano (2.7.0.10 -> 2.7.0.11)
10:08 < rxr> Baldzius: nvidia? no thanks ... even uglier company ...
10:08 < rxr> no graphic card without open source driver and specs in my boxes ...
10:09 < rxr> those people can sell those to whoever want's stinking binary only driver crashing the machine at random rates ...
10:10 < Baldzius> so what vendor cards you are using, i am quite happy with nvidia
10:10 < Baldzius> instead ati
10:13 < CIA-15> aldas * r13047 /trunk/package/zope/zope/configure-python24.patch: 
10:13 < CIA-15> * partially reverted r12987 - restored configure-python24.patch
10:13 < CIA-15>  zope still doesn't support python2.4
10:15 < Baldzius> ^^ damn i was sure it supports ^^
10:18 < rxr> Baldzius: I use Ati up to 92xxx - those are covered by open source drivers
10:18 < rxr> - one x ,-)
10:18 < rxr> there are those XGI Volari boards that have somewhat open source drivers
10:19 < rxr> though the are not high end and I had none so far
10:19 < rxr> the Matrox up to [45]xx are also with Open Source driver ,-)
10:19 < rxr> all not high-end - but when they have no open source driver there is nothing that makes them into my projects
10:20 < rxr> I have seen enough closed source - mostly Windows driver - code that I know I definetly do not want to have this junk done by absolute amateurs run in priveledged mode ...
10:22 < Baldzius> ic :)
10:24 < SerWou> good morning
10:25 < SerWou> i don't know if you already talk about that, but what is this email on the t2 mailing : HONDA CAR LOTTERY (HEADQUARTERS) ??
10:25 < Baldzius> hi serwou
10:25 < Baldzius> spam i guess
10:26 < Baldzius> and i don't see it
10:28 < SerWou> strange, [t2] is on the suject
10:28 < CIA-15> aldas * r13048 /trunk/package/network/mldonkey/mldonkey.desc: * updated mldonkey (2.5.22 -> 2.6.5)
10:29 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/ChangeLog-t2
10:29 < rxr> ^- new svn usernames injected into parser
10:30 < rxr> SerWou: it got to the list - anything gone thru the list get's that
10:30 < SerWou> :-/
10:30 < rxr> we had more spam in the past - I update spamassassin recently which improved it a bit - unfortunatly I should spend some time soon adding some mroe custom rules ...
10:32 < SerWou> should i forward you the email to add a custom rule ?
10:33 < CIA-15> aldas * r13049 /trunk/package/develop/help2man/help2man.desc: * updated help2man (1.35.2 -> 1.36.2)
10:34 < rxr> SerWou: I got the mail too
10:34 < rxr> SerWou: I have no time for some days for spamasassin tinkering
10:35 < SerWou> no problem
10:35 < SerWou> just in case it was a personnal problem, but it's not the case
10:38 < CIA-15> rene * r13050 /trunk/package/x11/matrox-mtx/ (matrox-mtx.conf matrox-mtx.desc): 
10:38 < CIA-15> * updated matrox-mtx (beta4 -> 1.4.1) - contains password and username
10:38 < CIA-15>  for the FTP download - I do not care - direct Matrox complains to me
10:41 < Baldzius> rxr: if package fails without "NOPARALLEL" should i commit that?
10:41 < Baldzius> i can't compile gdm in this case
10:42 < CIA-15> rene * r13051 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xcfgt2: 
10:42 < CIA-15> * fixed Matrox Parhelia matching in xorg-server/xcfgt2 and added rule
10:42 < CIA-15>  for XGI Volari V3/V5/V8/Z7 (now supported by the sis driver)
10:42 < rxr> Baldzius: yep
10:42 < Baldzius> iirc you had gdm compile problems in reference
10:43 < Baldzius> ok
10:45 < Baldzius> can you give me that url of reference build errors
10:45 < Baldzius> i lost history in firefox
10:48 < CIA-15> aldas * r13052 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.desc: * added NOPARALLEL to gdm
10:55 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-errs/
10:56 < Baldzius> thanks :)
10:58 < Baldzius> bbl
11:45 < rxr> Baldzius: thanks for fixes ,-)
12:05 < Baldzius> :)
12:06 < Baldzius> rxr: when is the deadline when we should be done with those fixing?
12:11 < rxr> well - IIRC most are not that critical
12:11 < rxr> all critical should be done until Linux World Expo - 16. November
12:11 < rxr> I want to have a T2 2.2.0-rc1 until that time
12:13 < Baldzius> yes, there are alotof failed games :)
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12:26 < CIA-15> aldas * r13053 /trunk/package/develop/pwlib/pwlib.conf: 
12:26 < CIA-15> * added "--disable-openldap" to pwlib.conf, it fails with
12:26 < CIA-15>  openldap-2.3.*, fix me
12:37 < CIA-15> aldas * r13054 /trunk/package/games/supertux/supertux.desc: * tweaked supertux prio mode to be built after libsdl_mixer
12:43 < CIA-15> mtr * r13055 /trunk/package/x11/fvwm/fvwm.conf: * fvmw 2.5.14 hotfix: fribidi CHARSET should be CHAR_SET
12:58 < CIA-15> rene * r13056 /trunk/package/network/openvpn/openvpn.desc: * updated openvpn (2.0.2 -> 2.0.3)
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13:22 < karasz> moin all
13:31 < CIA-15> aldas * r13057 /trunk/package/network/honeyd/gcc4.patch: * added honeyd/gcc4.patch
13:34 < CIA-15> aldas * r13058 /trunk/package/develop/libdnet/gcc4.patch: * added libdnet/gcc4.patch
13:34 < Baldzius> moin karasz
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13:55 < karasz> what is wring with my internet connection ... :(
14:00 < karasz> guys, about T2 powered distributions...
14:00 < karasz> how would they be updated?
14:00 < karasz> i mean what would be the maintaner tools?
14:01 < karasz> hmmm i guess it is too early :)
14:06 < rxr> nope
14:06 < rxr> 14 o'clock here ...
14:06 < rxr> just past lunch
14:07 < rxr> well - karasz depends, either with the package update tool, that will soon also support binary diff to update remote computers
14:07 < rxr> or other, self-made mechanisms
14:07 < rxr> archivista, for example, has an update mechnamisn on the CD
14:07 < rxr> so they ship a new cd that can update including keeping the config
14:07  * rxr back coding ...
14:37 < karasz> i was thinking of something in the line of apt...
14:37 < karasz> is that too dificult to implement?
14:37 < rxr> nope
14:37 < rxr> the next installer (mine replacement) will allow such update
14:37 < rxr> s
14:37 < karasz> say i make repositories for every distro i support...
14:37 < rxr> yep
14:38 < karasz> ohm oki
14:38 < karasz> what is its name?
14:38 < rxr> this will be available - including transmitting as binary diff to save bandwith and people's time
14:38 < rxr> oehm
14:38 < rxr> have I named the directory t2inst or so ..
14:38 < rxr> no name yet
14:38 < karasz> so it is T2 speciffic...
14:39 < rxr> in the past I named the code for binary updates synchronicity or so
14:39 < rxr> karasz: well - not very T2 specific
14:39 < rxr> of course the /var/adm/* data is - but one could easily adapt it a bit to work without those - using different meta data
14:39 < karasz> is it from scratch or based on...?
14:40 < rxr> from scratch - maybe mixing some lines from mine or our older dRock installer
14:40 < rxr> e.g. for gui parts or so
14:40 < rxr> but not too much from mine, because we want to get rid of this unreadable, seg-fault friendly code base
14:41 < rxr> it will use libtar and some delta library, such as vdelta or xdelta
14:41 < rxr> and of course the usual compressor filters such as gzip, bzip2, lzo, ...
14:43 < karasz> sounds very nice
14:44 < karasz> it is a 2.2 feature?
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14:44 < keinek> buenos dias
14:44 < rxr> yes
14:44 < keinek> hi
14:44 < keinek> morning
14:44 < karasz> hi keinek
14:44 < rxr> though maybe some binary diffing / network updates might be a 2.2.1 or so feature
14:44 < rxr> first I need the working base for the next CD installation in two weeks
14:45 < karasz> rxr do you plan any building on power in the following 1 hour or so?
14:45 < rxr> nope
14:46 < rxr> I need to finish some archivista code until this evening
14:46 < karasz> i want to make a partition for t2 which needs resatrt
14:46 < karasz> ok
14:46 < karasz> so today is my play day.. :)
14:46 < rxr> karasz: yep - and thanks for contributing those CPU cycles ,-)
14:47 < karasz> no prob, at least i can do that...
14:47 < rxr> if you like I would also name you on the list - however when I wrote the mail to the list your last work was that it is to some degree confidential
14:47 < karasz> rxr you think a minimal will build?
14:47 < rxr> karasz: yes, most stuff build find
14:47 < rxr> fine
14:47 < karasz> so i can make isos and then install?
14:47 < rxr> however if you want to start a minimal build I would merge some perl lib64 changes I did on trunk yesterday
14:48 < rxr> so optional perl modules build fine
14:48 < karasz> i'd like to install a minimal today if it is possible...
14:48 < rxr> ok - just notify me when your playing is over - I merge perl/lib64 into 2.1 then
14:48 < karasz> ok
14:48 < karasz> thanks
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15:46 < karasz> rxr seems that my playing will have to wait
15:47 < rxr> oh - why ?
15:47 < karasz> so if you wanna do something be my guest
15:47 < karasz> because the morons at ibm disabled the admin acount in OpenFirmware
15:47 < karasz> so i cannot tel the machine to boot from cd
15:48 < karasz> until they give me a pass which they do not have right now (as allways) :(
15:49 < morfoh_> hi folks
15:54 < rxr> hi morfoh_ 
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15:54 < morfoh> hi rxr
16:02 < mnemoc> rxr: on my prototipe of 'sam' i use /var/adm/sam for data, /etc/sam for config, /usr/sbin and /usr/lib/sam for scripts
16:03 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
16:03 < rxr> I see you always read scrollback before you do greet us ,-)
16:06 < mnemoc> moin rxr 
16:06 < mnemoc> :p
16:06 < mnemoc> moin morfoh 
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16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: of functional is your prototype ?
16:12 < mnemoc> rxr: one day dedicated and it becomes functional ;)
16:13 < CIA-15> rene * r13059 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (install.sh update-restore.sh update-store.sh): 
16:13 < CIA-15> * a whole bunch of new features for the archivista installer:
16:13 < CIA-15>  * cofiguration store and restore mechanism for convenient updates
16:13 < CIA-15>  * for updates rsync over the previous version is used with huge
16:13 < CIA-15>  speedups
16:13 < CIA-15>  * converted Xdialog invocations to auto-resize
16:13 < rxr> mnemoc: new code to cut'n paste from ,-)
16:14 < mnemoc> :)
16:14 < mnemoc> what about an rsync server for t2 source tree?
16:14 < rxr> if we want / need that ...
16:14 < rxr> with or without .svn files ?
16:15 < mnemoc> without
16:15 < rxr> what for ?
16:16 < mnemoc> sam
16:16 < rxr> oehm - aha - /me puzzled
16:16 < mnemoc> .svn are too big for /var/adm ;)
16:17 < mnemoc> sam will handle both, bin updates and 'emerge'
16:17 < mnemoc> and config and package management
16:18 < mnemoc> and migrations if i win the lotery
16:19 < mnemoc> sam {config,build,install} <package>
16:21 < mnemoc> and 'sde' will unify (wrap) .svn trees and our big bunch of helpers
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16:33 < karasz> moin morfoh mnemoc
16:34 < morfoh> hi mnemoc, karasz :)
16:35 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you have in mind?
16:36 < mnemoc> rxr: do you want *whole world* updates?
16:37 < rxr> mnemoc: first I want updates of packages inside a stable series - with binary diffs for reduced size
16:37 < karasz> rxr i got the word from the folks "no pass for a couple of days" what morons
16:37 < karasz> anyway if you want fell free to power around :)
16:40 < mnemoc> rxr: but that means to keep allll binaries always at host
16:40  * morfoh is quite sick since yesterday :\ ... I'll go to take a bath ... bbl
16:40 < mnemoc> cu morfoh 
16:40 < morfoh> yeah ... cu mnemoc 
16:47 < morfoh> btw, what do you think is more comfortable ... having an URL like http://foo.bar/{en,es,de,...}/content.html or http://foo.bar/content.html.{en,es,de,...} or even http://foo.bar/content.html;lang={en,es,de,...} ?
16:48 < mnemoc> why not linguaplone?
16:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: it is for sth. different 
16:49 < mnemoc>  http://foo.bar/{en,es,de,...}/content.html
16:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: thanks for your vote ;) ... it's my favourite choice too
16:50 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - if you find the box's files are not modified (adm/checksum) create a binary diff on the server for that particular version (if known) to the new version
16:51 < mnemoc> rxr: ic
16:51 < rxr> if the currently installed version has no corresponding server-side binary package, ship the new full version to the client
16:51 < mnemoc> rxr: what about updates which doesn't alter version? a checksum database for packages?
16:51 < mnemoc> or -fooversions
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16:53 < morfoh> btw, do we have plans for signing officially released packages using gnupg or s/mime ?
16:55 < mnemoc> for sam i want to support valid gnupg-s, from config/$config/
16:55 < rxr> mnemoc: of course the version I meant includes the full t2 source checksum
16:55 < rxr> otherwise binary diffs are likely to mismatch
16:57 < mnemoc> :)
17:08 < CIA-15> aldas * r13060 /trunk/package/contrib/dfbsee/compile-fix.patch: * added dfbsee/compile-fix.patch
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17:47 < morfoh> re
17:48 < karasz> re hi
17:49 < CIA-15> rene * r13061 /trunk/package/base/file/file.desc: 
17:49 < CIA-15> * moved file from being built in stage3 to stage1 to have it handyo
17:49 < CIA-15>  in cross buids, early
18:00 < karasz> rxr i am begining a generic build with base package selection
18:02 < rxr> in 2.1, right ?
18:03 < mnemoc> .oO( what is _base_ package selection? )o
18:04 < karasz> yes in 2.1
18:04 < karasz> should i be aware of somesthing?
18:05 < karasz> mnemoc it is an optinon in ./Configure
18:05 < karasz> rxr should i fiddle with expert options or leave them alone?
18:05 < karasz> i added postgresql and mc
18:08 < rxr> leave all alone ,-)
18:08 < rxr> defaults are good ,-)
18:09 < rxr> wait a second I merge the perl stuff
18:09 < rxr> I think we need a subarchitecture option for powerpc64
18:09 < rxr> to select wether to build an IBM or Apple kernel
18:10 < mnemoc> rxr: after hardcoding desktop pkgsel to match what was built on -rc3 i get 'only' one failure. bluez-hciemu (p4/pmmx)
18:10 < karasz> oooops
18:10 < karasz> to late 
18:10 < karasz> should i Contro-C?
18:13 < CIA-15> aldas * r13062 /trunk/package/security/ebtables/gcc4.patch: * added ebtables/gcc4.patch
18:13 < karasz> killed
18:17 < karasz> rxr i am waiting for your sign ;)
18:17 < rxr> re
18:21 < CIA-15> rene * r13063 /branches/2.1/package/perl/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:21 < CIA-15>  * merged r13018, r13020 and r13021 from trunk:
18:21 < CIA-15>  * fixed perl /lib64 once and for all - no custom hacks needed in
18:21 < CIA-15>  e.g. perl-libxml and perl-xml-parser anymore, that have been so
18:21 < CIA-15>  far enabled for x86-64 only anyway - fixes powerpc64 and others
18:21 < CIA-15> This line, and those below, will be ignored--
18:21 < CIA-15> M perl/perl-libxml/perl-libxml.conf
18:21 < rxr> karasz: here are those changes
18:21 < rxr> hope all is fine with them
18:21 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope I do not merge too much into your stage tree ,-)
18:22 < rxr> ouh - damn - have I damaged the svn log message - my oh my ...
18:22 < karasz> svn co /http://svn.exactcode.de.... ?
18:23 < karasz> nevermind, i got it
18:23 < mnemoc> rxr: i haven't tested changes on branch yet, i'm trying to release the tag :-)
18:23 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
18:24 < rxr> mnemoc: do you commit the desktop pkgsel somewhere ?
18:24 < mnemoc> on tag
18:24 < mnemoc> i'll maerge back when target builds complete
18:25 < rxr> could you commit it into branches/2.1 soon? I could finalize the ppc desktop build then
18:25 < rxr> builds finished just waiting for the final package list to get rid of some stray build error noise
18:26 < mnemoc> ok, i'll merge now
18:31 < mnemoc> the defines which broke bluez-hciemu belong to /usr/src/linux/include/net/bluetooth/hci.h which is not here
18:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess we can copy it while extracting linux-headers 
18:32 < mnemoc> that's one option
18:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: and the other(s) ?
18:34 < mnemoc> first i want to find why is not installed ;)
18:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: because it's not copied by the linux-headers package ? or did I misunderstood ? ;)
18:36 < morfoh> afaik we don't copy the whole kernel header files 
18:36 < CIA-15> amery * r13064 /branches/2.1/target/desktop/ (config.in pkgsel.sed): * merged 13013,13014 from 2.1.0 tag: changed desktop target to use hardcoded gnome dependencies instead of detecting them replicating 2.1.0-rc3 dynamic pkgsel. also splited config.in into pkgsel.sed.
18:37 < morfoh> mnemoc:         # network related kernel headers
18:37 < morfoh>         mkdir -p $root/$prefix/include/net
18:37 < morfoh>         # needed by ipvsadm2
18:37 < morfoh>         cp -v include/net/ip_vs.h $root/$prefix/include/net/
18:37 < morfoh>         # needed by snort
18:37 < morfoh>         cp -v include/net/{dst.h,inetpeer.h,flow.h} $root/$prefix/include/net/
18:38 < morfoh> ^ linux-header.conf
18:38 < mnemoc> but why did it build fine on my reference which also doesn't have /usr/src/linux/include/net/bluetooth/hci.h
18:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: did we made an update ?
18:39 < mnemoc> reference has the same packages than tag
18:39 < mnemoc> (versions)
18:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: hmmmm ? .... strange
18:40 < mnemoc> rxr: lib64.diff and .patch?
18:48 < rxr> oh - that is svn's fault
18:49 < mnemoc> that's why i want 2.1-test ;)
18:49 < CIA-15> rene * r13065 /branches/2.1/package/perl/perl/lib64.patch: 
18:49 < CIA-15> * oops, removed perl/lib64.patch - no idea if that was SVN's fault
18:49 < CIA-15>  or a user error ...
18:49 < mnemoc> :)
18:54 < rxr> 20 commits remaining to double the evil's revision
18:55 < mnemoc> :(
18:59 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
19:03 < mnemoc> j/k
19:05 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:05 < mnemoc> moin _Ragnar_ 
19:06 < mnemoc> morfoh: i don't see that code on 2.1
19:07 < rxr> mnemoc: svn blame is your friend
19:07 < rxr>  11136      chris       # network related kernel headers
19:07 < mnemoc> :)
19:07 < rxr> r11136 | chris | 2005-08-19 11:50:40 +0200 (Fri, 19 Aug 2005) | 4 lines
19:07 < rxr> * updated linux-header (2.6.11 -> 2.6.12.3) * changed conf to install some more network related header files * deleted serio.patch because it's included in the new version
19:08 < mnemoc> thanks
19:10 < mnemoc> it mixes and update (which wont go to 2.1) and .conf rework
19:10 < mnemoc> i _hate_ those commits
19:12 < CIA-15> aldas * r13066 /trunk/package/scientific/euler/ (compile-fix.patch euler.desc gcc34.patch nodocinst.patch): 
19:12 < CIA-15> * updated euler (1.60.6 -> 1.61.0)
19:12 < CIA-15> * added compile-fix.patch
19:12 < CIA-15> * removed gcc34.patch - obsolete
19:12 < CIA-15> * removed nodocinst.patch - obsolete
19:13 < karasz> rxr so far so good
19:13 < karasz> stage 1 building glibc32
19:13 < karasz> but i hava prob...
19:13 < karasz> i must go now
19:14 < karasz> could not keep an eye on building :'(
19:14 < rxr> ok - cu
19:14 < karasz> so cu guys tomorrow
19:14 < karasz> rxr thanks again for your help
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19:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: sorry for that stupid commit ... I know that you _hate_ this type of commits 
19:22 < CIA-15> aldas * r13067 /trunk/package/x11/gcombust/gcc4.patch: * added gcombust/gcc4.patch
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19:32 < CIA-15> rene * r13069 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/mesa.desc: * updated mesa (6.4-rc4 -> 6.4)
19:32 < CIA-15> rene * r13068 /trunk/package/xorg/libdrm/libdrm.desc: * updated libdrm (1.0.4 -> 1.0.5)
19:52 < mnemoc> morfoh: problem found, API change on bluez-libs leaked in
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19:58 < mnemoc> [15:52:45] <mnemoc> morfoh: problem found, API change on bluez-libs leaked in
19:59 < mnemoc>  #define OCF_WRITE_CA_TIMEOUT  and #define OCF_WRITE_PG_TIMEOUT were renamed
20:04 < morfoh_> mnemoc: yeah ... cool that you found the problem :)
20:06 < mnemoc> == 11/01/05 16:05:46 =[5]=> Finished building package bluez-hciemu.
20:07 < morfoh_> :)
20:07 < rxr> mnemoc - or how T2 became the most stable distribution ever
20:08 < rxr> mnemoc: the libgcc_s fixup for x86-64 and also needed for powerpc64 you commited from misls hammer box has side effects on sparc64
20:08 < CIA-15> amery * r13070 /tags/2.1.0/package/network/bluez-hciemu/bluez-libs-2.18.patch: * fixed bluez-hciemu to build against bluez-libs-2.18
20:08 < rxr> I wasted quite some time due to that right now
20:08 < rxr> in fact for sparc64 gcc installs the files correctly and the hack - that I improved for powerpc64 - does mess them up afterwards ...
20:08 < rxr> we leave it as it is now
20:09 < mnemoc> sparc64 is not yet supported on 2.1 ;)
20:09 < rxr> I have yet another - local - quirk - and I place "hunting that bug in the gcc makefile itself" near the top of my MB sized TODO
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20:09 < rxr> mnemoc: what the f*ck - at least we have permanent access to sparc64 - in contrast to powerpc64
20:09 < rxr> well - but you are right - ignore sparc64 ... ,-)
20:10 < mnemoc> powerpc64 and sparc64 will be supported on 2.1.1 :p
20:10 < rxr> hehehe - if you apply the magic to make those CDs bootable ,-)
20:10 < rxr> well - ok for sparc I have the code - but for powerpc this will be fun
20:10 < mnemoc> me?
20:10 < rxr> you said it will work on 2.1.1 ,-)
20:11 < rxr> e.g. the current 32bit powerpc cds that I would have imagined bot on Apple newer G5 hardware do not even start to boot
20:11 < rxr> the OpenFirmware 100% ignores them ...
20:11 < rxr> but well - as time comes
20:11 < mnemoc> _you_ will make it work on 2.1.1 ;-)  i have never seen an sparc (32 or 64) or a ppc64 or an amd64
20:14 < mnemoc> damn OF :\
20:15 < mnemoc> maybe they shall be signed by Apple :\
20:17 < CIA-15> amery * r13071 /branches/2.1/package/network/bluez-hciemu/bluez-libs-2.18.patch: * merged 13070 from 2.1.0 tag: fixed bluez-hciemu to build against bluez-libs-2.18
20:26 < CIA-15> aldas * r13072 /trunk/package/audio/qjackctl/compile-fix.patch: * added qjackctl/compile-fix.patch
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20:30 < misl> hi folks
20:31 < mnemoc> hi rocket
20:32 < misl> :)
20:33 < misl> hi mnemoc, how is you building on noisy doing?
20:33 < mnemoc> frustrating :\
20:34 < mnemoc> desktop will have to wait for 2.1.1
20:35 < CIA-15> aldas * r13073 /trunk/package/base/htop/htop.desc: * updated htop (0.5.3 -> 0.5.4)
20:38 < misl> mnemoc: :(
20:38 < CIA-15> rene * r13074 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (install.sh update-restore.sh update-store.sh): 
20:38 < CIA-15> * further improved the archivista installer:
20:38 < CIA-15>  * really activate the ftp server on restore
20:38 < CIA-15>  * store and restore the OCR registration key
20:38 < CIA-15>  * display the recognized config to the user
20:39 < rxr> mnemoc: too many x86-64 build errors on 2.1 ?
20:39 < mnemoc> not much but out of my scope
20:39  * mnemoc uploading t2-desktop-2.1.0-p4
20:40 < mnemoc> t2-desktop-2.1.0-pmmx haven't finished yet
20:40 < mnemoc> one for athlonxp would be nice
20:40 < rxr> mnemoc: please do not build so many x86 arches
20:40 < rxr> mnemoc: we loose gsmp for no good if you upload so much stuff
20:40 < mnemoc> oh
20:41 < rxr> mnemoc: isn't releasing a x86 build enough and leave further optimization to people who need it?
20:41 < rxr> e.g. the audience for p4 users is quite small ...
20:41 < mnemoc> ?
20:41 < rxr> mnemoc: I told you they pay for incomming traffic - outgoing does not matter - TB is no issue
20:41 < mnemoc> i have to go
20:41 < mnemoc> oh
20:42 < mnemoc> i have to go
20:42 < mnemoc> back in 1h
20:42 < rxr> but when we push GB's a months _onto_ the box they'll slap me and disable the few remaining ports ...
20:42 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
20:42 < rxr> I would vote for x86 pentium class minimal and desktop and the other arches such as ppc and sparc
20:42 < rxr> that is already enough stuff to build and push there
20:43 < mnemoc> morfoh_: what happened with your sponsor candidates?
20:43 < _Ragnar_> indeed
20:43 < rxr> I think fine grained x86 optmized releases are not needed
20:43 < rxr> and better left for people with such specialized needs
20:43 < mnemoc> so i have to abort the upload?
20:44 < _Ragnar_> other releases can be shared with bittorrent and the torrents uploaded
20:44 < rxr> mnemoc: nah - upload now 
20:44 < mnemoc> bbl
20:44 < rxr> but I think for future releases we should invest the bandwith to the other arches 
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21:25 < rxr> # insert the other system's entries
21:25 < rxr> sed "/MemTest/ { H; r $tmp N }"
21:26 < rxr> well - except that a newline was eaten by irssi, I like sed ,-)
21:40 < Baldzius> morfoh_, security master, can you update && fix samhain? :)
21:42 < _Ragnar_> also need to update php5 asap when the new release is out
21:44 < CIA-15> aldas * r13075 /trunk/package/graphic/chmlib/chmlib.desc: * updated chmlib (0.36 -> 0.37.4)
21:44 < CIA-15> rene * r13076 /trunk/package/x11/xcompmgr/xcompmgr.desc: * updated xcompmgr (1.1.2 -> 1.1.3)
21:46 < CIA-15> rene * r13077 /trunk/package/x11/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
21:46 < CIA-15> * seperated the recently added mesa-demos (so far glxinfo and
21:46 < CIA-15>  glxgears) out of mesa because GLUT is not available at that time
21:52 < Baldzius> rxr: can you look at ogle.err there is quite interesting situation
21:54 < CIA-15> rene * r13078 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/install.sh: 
21:54 < CIA-15> * implemented injection of the alternative, previous system partition's
21:54 < CIA-15>  boot entries into the newly generated grub config to archivista's
21:54 < CIA-15>  install - fixed one quoting typo on the way
21:54 < rxr> Baldzius: in my ref?
21:54 < Baldzius> yes
21:55 < Baldzius> same error for me
21:55 < rxr> sould the patch apply in theory ?
21:56 < Baldzius> dunno
21:56 < rxr> cu later
21:56 < Baldzius> cu
22:01 < misl> I off, cu all later
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22:20 < morfoh_> Baldzius: what is the problem with samhain ?
22:22 < morfoh_> Baldzius: unfortunately I've no fresh gcc4 trunk ref build around here, but I'll start one
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22:24 < Baldzius> morfoh: configure: error: unrecognized option: --with-libpam
22:25 < Baldzius> also thereis new version
22:25 < morfoh> Baldzius: ok ... I'll update 
22:25 < morfoh> ;)
22:25 < Baldzius> :)
22:26 < morfoh> Baldzius: but I thought I filtered out all of not supported configure options like "--enable-libpam" .... strange
22:26 < morfoh> but no problem
22:29 < morfoh> seems that they changed the configure option from --enable-libpam -> --with-libpam
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22:34 < CIA-15> mtr * r13079 /trunk/package/develop/pwlib/pldap.patch: * fixed pwlib for OpenLDAP changes, patch pulled from CVS
22:36 < mnemoc> Baldzius: rene did some hackery yesterday to let all --with args pass ;-)   i told that will bring regressions ;)
22:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: aha! ... ;)
22:37 < Baldzius> :)))
22:38 < morfoh> holy sh*t ... the list for the excluded confopts will grow for samhain 
22:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: what was the reason for rene's chhanges ?
22:40 < mnemoc> an option sh (arch) needed to pass to gcc wasn't detected
22:40 < mnemoc> so the santinizer was changed to allow _any_ --with/--without argument
22:47 < morfoh> damn
22:49  * morfoh ran out of tissues ... 
22:50 < mnemoc> i was cheaper to add a # --with-my-ugly-hidden-arg  on configure, but...
22:50 < mnemoc> it*
22:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... 
22:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: at least for samhain it is a pain that "hits" me directly ;)
22:54 < mnemoc> ?
22:54 < morfoh> there are too much to exclude ... I have to do it recursively 
22:55 < valentin> "moin"
22:55 < mnemoc> i guess a boolean var to disable confopt sanitization would work nicer
22:55 < mnemoc> moin valentin 
22:55 < mnemoc> valentin: acording to wikipedia moin means 'good' :)
22:56 < valentin> aha :)
22:56 < morfoh> hi valentin ... unfortunatly I was to late on rene's birthday ... and I missed you + family 
22:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: but "good" seems not to be the one and only meaning of "moin" 
22:58 < mnemoc> also 'beautiful' but valentin is not my type ;)
22:58 < valentin> morfoh: guess we will see us some other time
22:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: why not ? :p
23:00 < mnemoc> i refuse to answer
23:01 < CIA-15> valentin * r13080 /trunk/target/dreamcast/config.in: 
23:01 < CIA-15> * added libowfat (needed by minit)
23:01 < CIA-15> * disabled gpm (no mouse support anyway atm)
23:02 < valentin> mnemoc: so if you were a girl you would not find me attractive ... very depressing :p
23:02 < mnemoc> i'm not a girl ;)
23:02 < valentin> rxr: 4 revisions to go
23:02 < morfoh> valentin: and mnemoc is even a coward, because he won't tell us why :p
23:04 < mnemoc> :)
23:04 < mnemoc> i'm married, i don't have eyes for anyone else :p
23:04 < morfoh> haha :p
23:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: you can tell your grandma
23:04 < valentin> that is the biggest lie of civilisation
23:04 < valentin> it is like 
23:05 < valentin> "sex is only good with people i love"
23:05 < valentin> stuff you have to tell your girl 
23:05  * mnemoc hides
23:05 < valentin> actually i don't do, though
23:06 < morfoh> valentin: don't do what ? 
23:06  * morfoh hides too
23:06 < valentin> don't tell my girl i only find her cute
23:06 < valentin> but i love her only, and that is true
23:06 < morfoh> valentin: of course not! this is not an option for a strategy 
23:08 < mnemoc> valentin: i never told anyone those lies ;)
23:08 < morfoh> anyway ... now that we know that mnemoc is a men and valentin loves "his" girl ... we can safely continue... :)
23:09 < mnemoc> what about morfoh ?
23:09 < morfoh> me ???
23:09 < mnemoc> what do we know?
23:10 < morfoh> mnemoc: haha ... now I'll get beaten up
23:11  * mnemoc wonders why openssh does use /dev/urandom and dropbear /dev/random
23:12 < morfoh> uhm 
23:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: did you got my /msg ?
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23:15 < morfoh> oh! yes .... but I guess I've to authenticate again .... I answered yet  ... mom
23:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you see my answer ?
23:21 < rxr> re
23:22 < mnemoc> wb rxr
23:35 < CIA-15> rene * r13081 /trunk/package/multimedia/ogle/ (ogle-unstatic.patch ogle-unstatic.patch.ogle): 
23:35 < CIA-15> * fixed r11718 (gcc4 compat for ogle) by renaming the patch so it
23:35 < CIA-15>  is only applied to the correct tarball
23:35 < rxr> n8 all
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23:47 < CIA-15> chris * r13082 /trunk/package/security/samhain/samhain.desc: * updated samhain (2.0.10a -> 2.1.0)
23:49 < CIA-15> chris * r13083 /trunk/package/security/samhain/samhain.conf: * fixed samhain build by adding more excluded config options
23:50 < morfoh_> Baldzius: can you give samhain a try on your trunk refbuild ?
23:50 < Baldzius> min
23:51 < Baldzius> svn up'ing :)
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23:54 < Baldzius> morfoh_: perfect 
23:58 < CIA-15> aldas * r13084 /trunk/package/network/openvpn/openvpn.desc: * updated openvpn (2.0.3 -> 2.0.4)
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