T2 IRC Log: 2005-10-28
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--- Log opened Fri Oct 28 00:00:29 2005
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00:12 < valentin> mnemoc: the patch applies in vanilla source and in src.$failedbuild but is rejected in build-target :(
00:14 < valentin> what patch command is used there ?
00:18 < valentin> i try xtrace
00:21 < valentin> ah i found the reason
00:22 < valentin> # sed s/4830/4827/g package/base/uclibc/patches/gcc-830-gcc-bug-num-22167.patch
00:22 < valentin> previous one worked only because of assuming -R
00:26 < valentin> hm now i c - one code line realy changed in 4.0.2
00:26 < valentin> i wonder if i should apply that patch
00:27 < valentin> i think i disable it first
00:27 < valentin> maybe that one line change is an alternate fix for that bug
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00:32 < valentin> we will see...
00:38 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/pingus.gif
00:42 < owl> evil
00:43 < valentin> yes
00:44 < owl> :)
00:44 < owl> but now: gn8
00:44 < valentin> sleep well owl
00:44 < owl> thx. you too. bye
00:52 < mnemoc> valentin:
00:52 < mnemoc> valentin: trial and error ;)
00:53 < valentin> trial and error what ? the patch ?
00:53 < valentin> yes, i try :)
00:53 < mnemoc> what about just removing it?
00:54 < mnemoc> brb
00:54 < valentin> mnemoc: i disabled it here on my machine
00:54 < valentin> if it does not break thinks, i'll commit it
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01:09 < Postal> hey guys
01:09 < Postal> what is the sed utility used for?
01:10 < valentin> hi Postal
01:10 < valentin> sed is stream edit
01:11 < valentin> it can be used for transforming text files and text streams
01:11 < valentin> i.e. matching and replacing things
01:11 < Postal> ok cool
01:11 < Postal> and gawk
01:11 < Postal> see im writing a guide to build linux from within OS X
01:11 < valentin> basicaly same purpose, but a bit more of a programming language than sed
01:12 < Postal> and you guys where the only developers I actually know so..
01:12 < Postal> i thought you could answer the what is this utility question
01:12 < Postal> when is the 2.1.0 release due?
01:13 < valentin> ouhm ... yesterday iirc
01:13 < valentin> ask mnemoc
01:13 < Postal> ive been watching on the site and I did not see the release announcment
01:13 < valentin> me neither, but mnemoc tagged it
01:13 < Postal> would you guys be wanting a G4 live CD?
01:13 < Postal> i only saw a G#
01:13 < Postal> G3*
01:14 < valentin> why not ?
01:14 < Postal> why not as in yes
01:14 < valentin> but i do not think the current live target works for ppc yet
01:14 < Postal> lol
01:14 < Postal> really, even though rxr does so much work on ppc?
01:14 < Postal> ie on his mac
01:15 < valentin> you could try to build it and see how far you come. the boot concept is a bit different for example
01:15 < Postal> yeah, im big into the LFS right now.. its a great way to learn about linux
01:15 < valentin> and once you learned you are invited to use that knowledge inside t2
01:16 < Postal> I will, t2 is my favorite of the "pre packaged" linux distros
01:16 < valentin> :)
01:16 < valentin> i have to take a nap now, cu later
01:16 < Postal> ok will you be back later
01:17 < Postal> mnemoc, you around?
01:17 < valentin> i will be back when my little daughter wakes me up
01:18 < Postal> lol ok
01:18 < valentin> anyone here knows how to get full kernel makefile commandlines instead of 'CC' stuff ?
01:18 < Postal> see you then i should be on until 12:30 EST
01:18 < Postal> errm no lol
01:18 < Postal> :-0
01:19 < valentin> if someone knows, please drop me a line.
01:19 < valentin> gn8
01:19 < Postal> any one else around? rxr?
01:26 < mnemoc> re
01:27 < mnemoc> valentin: release of 2.1.0 is scheduled for sunday
01:28 < mnemoc> valentin: tag is done to start building the ISOs :)
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01:53 < Postal> Hey all
01:55 < mnemoc> :)
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03:17 < kleper> hi
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04:20 < Postal> mnemoc you around?
04:21 < Postal> I heard that you have tagged the 2.1.0 release?
04:32 < mnemoc> Postal: read the topic ;)
04:32 < mnemoc> bbl
04:33 < Postal> lol
04:35 < Postal> i fly home tomorrow see you all then
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09:22 < mtr> moin
10:09 < rxr> re
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10:16 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 TAGGED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
10:16 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Oct 26 05:11:03 2005]
10:16 [Users #t2]
10:16 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ]
10:16 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ karasz[Away]] [ mtr ] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly]
10:16 [ CIA-15 ] [ lewellyn ] [ owl ] [ sepp_] [ valentin ]
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10:41 < mtr> 1-glibc.err: csu/crti.S:15: Error: junk `.get_pc_thunk.bx' after expression
10:41 < mtr> crti.S:15: call __i686.get_pc_thunk.bx
10:42 < mtr> ???
10:57 < rxr_> mtr: ouhm
10:57 < rxr_> that is yet another erorr I did not get so far ...
10:57 -!- You're now known as rxr
11:07 < CIA-15> rene * r12936 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/lib64.patch: * fixed mesa for lib64 architectures
11:07 < CIA-15> rene * r12937 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/ (X11R7.patch mesa.conf mesa.desc): * copyright update for mesa/*
11:07 < mtr> rxr: any idea where to start with 1-glibc.err, where to look into? ARCH='x86', X86_OPT='via-c3-2'
11:09 < rxr> most probably optimization - could you try i586 or so ?
11:10 < mtr> i'll try pentium
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11:17 < valentin> rxr: i want to disable a patch from ulibc for gcc
11:18 < valentin> it is a patch for a gcc bug
11:18 < valentin> it contains a one-line change:
11:19 < valentin> - if (TEST_BIT (hoist_vbeout[bb->index], i))
11:19 < valentin> + if (TEST_BIT (hoist_exprs[bb->index], i))
11:19 < valentin> in gcc 4.0.2 they changed exactly this line, too. but now it contains
11:20 < valentin> if (TEST_BIT (hoist_vbeout[bb->index], i)&& TEST_BIT (transpout[bb->index], i))
11:20 < valentin> everything else in this function is the same as in minor versions
11:20 < valentin> so i consider that is an alternate fix for the same problem
11:20 < valentin> though bugzilla is silent about that fix
11:21 < valentin> i disable the patch and take a look if the system is build, ok ?
11:22 < valentin> rxr: how do i disable silent make in kernel ? eval $MAKE Q="" $makeopt in debug shell ?
11:23 < valentin> no
11:23 < rxr> there was some VERBOSE or so
11:23 < valentin> yes
11:24 < valentin> V="1" works
11:24 < rxr> V=1
11:24 < valentin> i think V=blabla works, too
11:24 < rxr> re
11:24 < rxr> yes
11:24 < rxr> regarding dietlibc just try it ...
11:24 < rxr> uclibc even
11:25 < rxr> I have not used uclibc excessively I do nothing about that patch
11:25 < valentin> hm the new gcc does not know -m4-nofpu, it results in cc1: error: invalid option '4-nofpu'
11:26 < valentin> rxr: as far as i understood that bugzilla entry that patch is a fix for a compile time internal error, so i will notice
11:26 < rxr> m4a-nofpu
11:27 < valentin> cc1: error: invalid option `4a-nofpu'
11:27 < rxr> hm
11:28 < valentin> the info page lists that option
11:28 < valentin> but that is the 3.4.3 info
11:29 < valentin> http://sources.redhat.com/ml/crossgcc/2005-10/msg00035.html
11:29 < rxr> my 4.0 man only lists what I posted
11:30 < rxr> m4a-nofpu
11:30 < valentin> gcc4 needs --with-multilib-list=m4,m4-nofpu otherwise a linux
11:30 < valentin> kernel won't build as it uses the -m4-nofpu option.
11:30 < valentin> from the mail i posted above
11:31 < rxr> have fun adding it ,-)
11:32 < rxr> you could test ig just adding --enable-multilib is enough
11:32 < rxr> try:
11:33 < rxr> sh/config.in:SDECFGSET_MULTILIB=1
11:33 < rxr> that will most probably enable a default multilib list in gcc ...
11:34 < rxr> if that is not enough go to base/gcc/gcc.conf and add a conditional injection of your list for the enable mutlibcase no sh ...
11:34 < rxr> on
11:34 < valentin> ok
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11:36 < CIA-15> valentin * r12938 /trunk/architecture/sh/config.in: * enable multilib support in gcc for sh architectures
11:39 < CIA-15> rene * r12939 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/lib64.patch: * fixed mplayer for lib64
11:42 < rxr> when do we double rock revision count ?
11:42 < valentin> as i said yesterday, together with mnemosyne we have doubled already
11:43 < valentin> otherwise r13036 atm
11:43 < rxr> ok - so tomorrow
11:44 < valentin> if you get 100 revisions in 24h ... that is not impossibe :)
11:50 < rxr> valentin: do you have time for a fun fix?
11:50 < valentin> fun fix ?
11:50 < rxr> yeah
11:50 < rxr> pdftk - java code ,-)
11:51 < valentin> fun ?????
11:51 < rxr> waiting on haudraufinix I think ,-)
11:51 < rxr> according to our java gurus here java is sooooooo great ...
11:51 < valentin> let them fix it *G*
11:51 < valentin> i take a short look
11:52 < rxr> ok - I started the build to get a src.* debug dir
11:53 < valentin> it isn't there yet ?
11:54 < rxr> reerence had so many errors I did a Cleanup already a few times
11:54 < rxr> reference even
11:57 < rxr> building on haudraufinix in /mnt/space/src/t2-trunk
11:59 < rxr> failed
11:59 < rxr> src.pdftk.reference.20051028.115204.14996.localhost
12:05 < jsaw> re
12:05 < jsaw> hi all
12:06 < CIA-15> rene * r12940 /trunk/package/audio/rezound/gcc-4.0-64.patch: * fixed rezound for gcc-4.0 on 64bit architectures
12:06 < rxr> hi jsaw
12:06 < jsaw> hi rxr
12:11 < rxr> hahahahahahaha hahaha ...
12:11 < rxr> http://packages.gentoo.org/packages/?category=app-text;name=pdftk
12:11 < rxr> ^- look at that mask not too many architectures actually work I would say ...
12:12 < jsaw> http://packages.gentoo.org/ebuilds/?man-pages-2.11
12:12 < jsaw> that's even better
12:12 < valentin> still !> cc1: error: invalid option '4-nofpu'
12:12 < jsaw> man-pages, a lot of work to test...
12:13 < valentin> i'll try --with-multilib-list=m4,m4-nofpu
12:13 < rxr> ok
12:13 < rxr> I take a look into pdftk
12:15 < rxr> valentin: fixed
12:19 < CIA-15> rene * r12941 /trunk/package/graphic/pdftk/gcc-4.0.patch: * fixed pdftk for gcc-4.0
12:19 < jsaw> kernel 2.6.14, ipw2[12]00 and hostap included ?
12:20 < rxr> in the case of ipw... not the latest driver
12:20 < rxr> but yes, included
12:20 < rxr> hostap I have not checked but read the heise / golem new
12:20 < rxr> s
12:25 < rxr> 2086 builds total, 1923 completed fine, 163 with errors.
12:26 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/
12:26 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-errs/
12:26 < rxr> even
12:26 < rxr> in the case anyone wants to fix a bit .-)
12:32 < rxr> jsaw: how are you?
12:42 < valentin> re
12:42 < valentin> rxr: i created SDECFG_MULTILIBLIST
12:42 < valentin> can i just set this var in sh/config.in ?
12:44 < rxr> sure
12:49 < valentin> using sdecfgset ?
12:52 < rxr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_SDE
12:52 < rxr> valentin: yes
12:53 < rxr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2
12:53 < rxr> ^- updated as well
12:54 < rxr> when I get xkb and thus a german layout working with my modular X system I add minimal content to the german wikipedia
12:56 < valentin> ./scripts/Config is slow like hell
12:56 < rxr> valentin: ack
12:56 < rxr> that is why I mention to rewrite everytime I refer to it ...
13:01 < valentin> does not work :(
13:03 < valentin> shopping, bbl
13:03 < valentin> do i need to enable something for each SDECFGSET thing ?
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13:08 < rxr> valentin: no
13:09 < valentin> hm
13:09 < valentin> i inserted
13:10 < valentin> SDECFGSET_MULTILIBLIST="m4,m4-nofpu"
13:10 < valentin> and reran Configure
13:10 < valentin> but it is not in config/...
13:10 < valentin> cu later
13:13 < karasz[Away]> moin all
13:17 < rxr> moin karasz[Away]
13:19 < jsaw> rxr: more or less fine... (last week flu, this week stomach flu...)
13:21 < rxr> jsaw: :-(
13:22 < jsaw> but now I'm recovering
13:30 < rxr> re
13:30 < rxr> ok - xkb working
13:30 < rxr> only config change - rules are now named xorg not xfree86 ...
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14:22 < valentin> re
14:23 < jsaw> == 10/28/05 13:34:30 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc.
14:23 < jsaw> ???
14:23 < jsaw> any-cc-ok.patch.cross fails to apply
14:26 < rxr> oops+
14:26 < rxr> wrong patch level_
14:26 < rxr> ? even
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14:36 < valentin> damn stuff...
14:38 < valentin> still no idea why that does not work, whereas the other SDECFGSET_ stuff works
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14:40 < valentin> maybe i need to declare the default value somewhere ?
14:40 < valentin> # Usage: set_data NAME DEFAULT
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14:44 < geekitus> in what package is ifup ?
14:44 < valentin> geekitus: rocknet stuff, that is sysfiles ?
14:44 < valentin> /var/adm/flists/sysfiles:sysfiles: sbin/ifup
14:45 < geekitus> ok, thanks :) !
14:49 < valentin> cu later
14:58 < jsaw> cu later
14:59 < SerWou> good afternoon
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15:04 < karasz> re moin
15:05 < karasz> sorry i was away a bit
15:07 < karasz> question : does anybody know about some overcommit issues in kernel 2.6.9.5?
15:10 < karasz> some kernel gurus around?
15:11 < rxr> this GEZ spy operation found a 10 year ikd addres wgere we kuft ages ago ...
15:11 < rxr> my oh my - damn GEZ crap
15:24 < karasz> hmmm GEZ crap???
15:25 < karasz> rxr maybe you wanna try out our way of imposing television fees
15:25 < karasz> right in your electrical bill
15:25 < karasz> no questions asked, no fuss you pay it even if you do not have a tv
15:26 < rxr> oh mz god
15:27 < karasz> it is very cool if you are a company, especialy.
15:27 < karasz> companies do not have TV's but they pay even higher tv fees :)
15:28 < karasz> you don't pay they cut your electricity which is not cool
15:29 < karasz> by the way, i forgot there is a radio tax also, which you have to pay...:)
15:38 < karasz> rxr will you have time today?
15:39 < karasz> i mean it is possible form me to have in this weekend a workin' T2 on that machine?
15:57 < mnemoc> moin
16:45 < karasz> moin mnemoc
16:54 < mnemoc> moin karasz
16:55 < mnemoc> valentin: config file isn't a dump of SDECFG_ vars, it's created using echo "..." >> config on a few helpers
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17:20 < CIA-15> amery * r12942 /tags/2.1.0/package/gnome2/gnome-panel/gnome-panel.cache: * tweaked gnome-panel.cache to not show dependendcy on evolution-data-server, because 'desktop' target blindly add all dependencies.
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17:27 < Postal> hey all
17:28 < Postal> anyone around?
17:29 < mnemoc> hi Postal
17:29 < rxr> hi Postal
17:29 < mnemoc> hi rxr
17:29 < Postal> hi rxr
17:29 < Postal> hey rxr does the 2.1.0 do a live build on ppc?
17:30 < mnemoc> 2.1.0 doesn't have livecd
17:30 < rxr> 2.1 has no live cd
17:30 < Postal> why? what happened to the live cd?
17:30 < rxr> there will soon be a new livecd from 2.2 aka trunk for x86, x86-64 and powerpc
17:30 < mnemoc> depends on features which belong to 2.2
17:31 < mnemoc> a 2.1-style livecd may get into 2.1.x (with x>1) if someone develop such target
17:32 < mnemoc> 2.1-style = monolitic kernel, devfs, rockplug in this case
17:37 < CIA-15> amery * r12943 /trunk/package/network/xmule/xmule.desc: * updated xmule (1.10.1 -> 1.12.0)
17:37 < rxr> I hope noone does that ...
17:37 < rxr> The Gimp 2.2.9
17:37 < mnemoc> i wont
17:38 * rxr now rsynced my latest x86-64 testbuild with X11R7 into my turion szstem ...
17:38 < rxr> system ...
17:39 < rxr> grummel - needs to get used to the german mapping again, after 2 days with xkb and thus US mapping due X11R7 on my athlon ...
17:39 < mnemoc> there is any reason to put the 'z' there?
17:43 < valentin> short re
17:44 < valentin> rxr: where do we meet ?
17:54 < valentin> cu later
17:54 < rxr> _
17:54 < rxr> ah
17:54 < rxr> I call zou
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17:57 < mnemoc> anyone knows a good screen tutorial? i want to add windows executing stuff from outside procedurally
18:01 < CIA-15> rene * r12944 /trunk/target/archivista/ (download.txt pkg_sane-backends.conf): * updated archivista to inject my latest SANE/Avision code
18:03 < mnemoc> oh, china accepted the text for the free trade agreement between thay and chile :D
18:05 < CIA-15> amery * r12945 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.2.8 -> 2.2.9)
18:19 < rxr> thanks
18:19 < rxr> wow - EXA is indeed fast
18:20 < rxr> I now enabled just for testing EXA isntead of XAA on the radeon based workstation I use for reference builds
18:20 < rxr> transparent windows flying by ...
18:20 < mnemoc> EXA?
18:20 < rxr> a new X.org internal ...
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18:23 < rxr> .oO(a fully transparent konqueror is scrolling smoother than safari without transparency on OS X)
18:23 < rxr> and that on a slower Radeon chip in my athlon
18:24 < rxr> 7500 here where it is a 9200 in the Apple hardware
18:26 < rxr> guess the next live cd will enable EXA AccelMethod for the next live CD due beginning of next week
18:27 < rxr> guess I can now leave the transparent chat term open over kmail and do not need to switch the desktop anymore to look for mail ...
18:28 < rxr> though the "you got mail" voice synth for kmail would help as well ,-)
18:28 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.1.0 ppc build started?
18:28 < rxr> yep kind of
18:29 < mnemoc> ?
18:30 < rxr> started OS suX in the meantime again
18:30 < rxr> I boot it again and continue ...
18:32 < rxr> btw. tag or branch?
18:32 < rxr> what do you want ?
18:32 < rxr> oh - and what should I do with the kaffee hangs on PPC
18:32 < rxr> remove kaffee from desktop ?
18:34 < mnemoc> tag of course
18:35 < mnemoc> what 'kind' of hang?
18:35 < mnemoc> do minimal and bootdisk first ;)
18:36 < mnemoc> kaffe suppose to support ppc
18:44 < mnemoc> nice, i'm triggering a Build-Target on screen via ssh to noisy by cron on my side :p
18:45 < rxr> hehehe
18:45 < rxr> kaffe-bin or so hangs on PPC on many packages
18:45 < rxr> see our trac - I opened issues
18:49 < mnemoc> uhm
18:55 < rxr> I disable for desktop
18:55 < rxr> so - cu - we off to meat kerstin and valentin for lunch
18:55 < rxr> dinner ven
18:55 < rxr> cu then
18:56 < mnemoc> cu rxr
18:56 < _Ragnar_> moin
18:57 < mnemoc> moin _Ragnar_
18:57 < _Ragnar_> hi mnemoc
19:03 < mnemoc> *headache*
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19:06 * _Ragnar_ rub mnemocs temples
19:09 * mnemoc looking for a dictionary :\
19:09 < _Ragnar_> what do you wanna know?
19:11 < mnemoc> i couldn't translate what you said :\
19:14 < _Ragnar_> oh
19:15 < _Ragnar_> 101454 <@Ragnar> .dict temple
19:15 < _Ragnar_> 101456 <+^Siren^> --- [from wn] --- temple n 1: place of worship consisting of an edifice for the worship of a deity 2: the flat area on either side of the forehead; "the veins in his temple throbbed" 3: an edifice devoted to special or exalted purposes 4: (Judaism) the place of worship for a Jewish congregation [syn: {synagogue}, {tabernacle}]
19:16 < mnemoc> which acception?
19:16 < mnemoc> and 'rub'?
19:16 < _Ragnar_> massage gently
19:17 < mnemoc> :D
19:17 < mnemoc> thanks
19:17 < _Ragnar_> :) yw
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19:58 < misl> hi folks :)
19:59 < mnemoc> hi noisy-murderer
20:01 < misl> uhh?
20:01 < misl> I wasn't even in da house
20:01 < misl> :)
20:02 < misl> What were you running?
20:02 < mnemoc> 2.1.0 build
20:03 < misl> have to read a story to Merlyn. bbl
20:03 < mnemoc> :)
20:08 < owl> moin
20:08 < mnemoc> moin owlinette
20:08 < owl> hi mnemoc
20:15 * misl is back
20:15 < misl> mnemoc: how was your 2.1 build doing>
20:15 < misl> >=?
20:15 < mnemoc> i boot and minimal good
20:15 < mnemoc> desktop, yuck yuck
20:16 < mnemoc> s/^i //
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20:16 < misl> hmm, in nearly 1,5 weeks noisy can be left running continuously in midweeks :)
20:17 < misl> then I will be staying at my new summerhouse :)
20:17 < mnemoc> :D
20:17 < mnemoc> pictures?
20:17 < owl> wb misl
20:17 < misl> hi owl
20:18 < misl> lets see if I can dig up some pictures
20:19 < misl> http://www.funda.nl/recreatie/detail_overzicht.asp?obj_GUID={2093FF44-9F06-4CED-A796-902B2EBDC8B3}&sfPrijsMin=0&sfPrijsMax=1000000000&sfProvincie=OV&crrentChoices=&crrentTotal=20&paginaVolgNummer=1&objectVolgNummer=7&zid=328118&sfPlaatsID=7203&searchmode=normaal
20:20 < misl> it is not the same one but mine looks very similar.
20:21 < mnemoc> does yours also have the forest around?
20:22 < misl> yepp :)
20:22 < mnemoc> very nice house
20:22 < misl> :D
20:23 < misl> morfoh wants to throw somekind of T2 party there.
20:24 < mnemoc> beware, i would kill for a house like that
20:24 < misl> Am I lucky that you are on the other side of the globe :)
20:24 < mnemoc> yep :)
20:26 < misl> It is not as big as it looks like. But there is room enought for the three of us (Merlyn, Pauline and me).
20:29 < mnemoc> 85/532 m² is quite good
20:29 < mnemoc> i rent a 38/50 house
20:30 < misl> for the 4 of you?
20:30 < mnemoc> yep
20:30 < mnemoc> and without the forest ;)
20:31 < misl> The forest is what made us actually do it.
20:32 < misl> then there is plenty of space for Merlyn to create havoc :)
20:32 < mnemoc> :D
20:34 < misl> mnemoc: Do you have any experience with xen?
20:35 < mnemoc> just netless qemu
20:36 < misl> I was wondering if xen was a good choice to make better use of noisy
20:36 < mnemoc> why?
20:36 < mnemoc> what do you want to do?
20:37 < misl> Just divide the capacity over various virtual hosts.
20:37 < mnemoc> do you need difefrent kernels running?
20:37 < misl> and being able to create a t2 distro that is capable of doing that out of the box.
20:38 < misl> not necessarily
20:38 < mnemoc> use vserver then
20:38 < misl> but like this clusters could be tested as well.
20:38 < mnemoc> sheba target (mnemosyne based) wants to become a lightweight vserver host
20:39 < mnemoc> but i need to complete dietlibc support
20:40 < misl> for what purpose are you targeting?
20:42 < mnemoc> a low footprint t2 based distribution to host and manage multiple virtual hosts using vserver :)
20:42 < mnemoc> i have one glibc/sheba serving
20:43 < mnemoc> but i want dietlibc and rsbac on the 'final product'
20:45 < misl> So still some work ahead
20:47 < misl> does you build automatically start again tomorrow?
20:47 < mnemoc> it suppose to
20:47 < mnemoc> 8:15
20:48 < misl> okay, good to know
20:48 < mnemoc> will you reinstall noisy with a natively built OS?
20:49 < misl> If I wanne be sure it still works afterwards I'd better leave to rxr or maybe you.
20:49 < misl> :)
20:50 < misl> I will be switching to potato mode now. (couch potato)
20:50 < misl> I think I deserve that after a week of hard working.
20:50 < misl> :)
20:50 < misl> I might be back later. cu
20:51 < mnemoc> gn8 potato ;)
21:08 < CIA-15> ragnar * r12946 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.conf: * vserver: fixed small typo in conf
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21:19 < menomc> yuck yuck
21:19 < rxr> re
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21:22 < _Ragnar_> ./common/lpq.c:452: warning: not enough variable arguments to fit a sentinel <-- what does that mean?
21:23 < rxr> oehm
21:24 < rxr> I think this will we some fuction with varags foo (x, ...) that is misused
21:25 < rxr> this EXA graphics are just impressive ...
21:25 < rxr> Q: Why do you use Linux? A: It is the OS with the most eye candy ,-)
21:29 < rxr> n8 all
21:29 < owl> gn8 rxr
21:30 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
21:30 < _Ragnar_> gn8
21:30 < _Ragnar_> EXA?
21:30 < mnemoc> [13:20:59] EXA?
21:30 < mnemoc> [13:21:11] a new X.org internal ...
21:31 < _Ragnar_> thx :)
21:33 < mnemoc> :)
21:36 < rxr> ok - we filled with wild pig and starting to crawl into bed ...
21:38 * _Ragnar_ renames rxr to obelix (and hides from the lawyers)
21:39 < mnemoc> :D
21:55 < rxr> sepp: in contrast to the former monolythic X, which miscompiled the radeon driver on x86-64 and gcc-4.0, the modualr X stuff does work out of the box on x86-64/radeon
21:55 < rxr> includign exa
21:56 < rxr> finally, n8 have fun hacking
21:58 < _Ragnar_> gn8=)
22:01 < CIA-15> ragnar * r12947 /trunk/package/printing/lprng/lprng.conf: * remove -Werror from lprng gcc calls, fancy new gcc4 warnings break it :)
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22:09 < Baldzius> hello
22:13 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: what was the typo on 12946? i can't see it in diff :\
22:18 < _Ragnar_> confidr->confdir
22:19 < mnemoc> oh
22:20 < mnemoc> any why the regex? makeopt is cleaned on top
22:20 < mnemoc> and*
22:20 < _Ragnar_> huh?
22:22 < _Ragnar_> oh dunno O-o
22:23 < valentin> re
22:28 < mnemoc> wb valentin
22:29 < karasz> re moin all
22:36 < mnemoc> moin karasz
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23:18 < karasz> sorry i was on the other desktop (hi, hi KVM switch) moin mnemoc
23:29 < valentin> gn8
23:34 < karasz> gn* valentin
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00:12 < valentin> mnemoc: the patch applies in vanilla source and in src.$failedbuild but is rejected in build-target :(
00:14 < valentin> what patch command is used there ?
00:18 < valentin> i try xtrace
00:21 < valentin> ah i found the reason
00:22 < valentin> # sed s/4830/4827/g package/base/uclibc/patches/gcc-830-gcc-bug-num-22167.patch
00:22 < valentin> previous one worked only because of assuming -R
00:26 < valentin> hm now i c - one code line realy changed in 4.0.2
00:26 < valentin> i wonder if i should apply that patch
00:27 < valentin> i think i disable it first
00:27 < valentin> maybe that one line change is an alternate fix for that bug
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00:32 < valentin> we will see...
00:38 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/pingus.gif
00:42 < owl> evil
00:43 < valentin> yes
00:44 < owl> :)
00:44 < owl> but now: gn8
00:44 < valentin> sleep well owl
00:44 < owl> thx. you too. bye
00:52 < mnemoc> valentin:
00:52 < mnemoc> valentin: trial and error ;)
00:53 < valentin> trial and error what ? the patch ?
00:53 < valentin> yes, i try :)
00:53 < mnemoc> what about just removing it?
00:54 < mnemoc> brb
00:54 < valentin> mnemoc: i disabled it here on my machine
00:54 < valentin> if it does not break thinks, i'll commit it
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01:09 < Postal> hey guys
01:09 < Postal> what is the sed utility used for?
01:10 < valentin> hi Postal
01:10 < valentin> sed is stream edit
01:11 < valentin> it can be used for transforming text files and text streams
01:11 < valentin> i.e. matching and replacing things
01:11 < Postal> ok cool
01:11 < Postal> and gawk
01:11 < Postal> see im writing a guide to build linux from within OS X
01:11 < valentin> basicaly same purpose, but a bit more of a programming language than sed
01:12 < Postal> and you guys where the only developers I actually know so..
01:12 < Postal> i thought you could answer the what is this utility question
01:12 < Postal> when is the 2.1.0 release due?
01:13 < valentin> ouhm ... yesterday iirc
01:13 < valentin> ask mnemoc
01:13 < Postal> ive been watching on the site and I did not see the release announcment
01:13 < valentin> me neither, but mnemoc tagged it
01:13 < Postal> would you guys be wanting a G4 live CD?
01:13 < Postal> i only saw a G#
01:13 < Postal> G3*
01:14 < valentin> why not ?
01:14 < Postal> why not as in yes
01:14 < valentin> but i do not think the current live target works for ppc yet
01:14 < Postal> lol
01:14 < Postal> really, even though rxr does so much work on ppc?
01:14 < Postal> ie on his mac
01:15 < valentin> you could try to build it and see how far you come. the boot concept is a bit different for example
01:15 < Postal> yeah, im big into the LFS right now.. its a great way to learn about linux
01:15 < valentin> and once you learned you are invited to use that knowledge inside t2
01:16 < Postal> I will, t2 is my favorite of the "pre packaged" linux distros
01:16 < valentin> :)
01:16 < valentin> i have to take a nap now, cu later
01:16 < Postal> ok will you be back later
01:17 < Postal> mnemoc, you around?
01:17 < valentin> i will be back when my little daughter wakes me up
01:18 < Postal> lol ok
01:18 < valentin> anyone here knows how to get full kernel makefile commandlines instead of 'CC' stuff ?
01:18 < Postal> see you then i should be on until 12:30 EST
01:18 < Postal> errm no lol
01:18 < Postal> :-0
01:19 < valentin> if someone knows, please drop me a line.
01:19 < valentin> gn8
01:19 < Postal> any one else around? rxr?
01:26 < mnemoc> re
01:27 < mnemoc> valentin: release of 2.1.0 is scheduled for sunday
01:28 < mnemoc> valentin: tag is done to start building the ISOs :)
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01:53 < Postal> Hey all
01:55 < mnemoc> :)
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03:17 < kleper> hi
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04:20 < Postal> mnemoc you around?
04:21 < Postal> I heard that you have tagged the 2.1.0 release?
04:32 < mnemoc> Postal: read the topic ;)
04:32 < mnemoc> bbl
04:33 < Postal> lol
04:35 < Postal> i fly home tomorrow see you all then
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09:22 < mtr> moin
10:09 < rxr> re
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10:16 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 TAGGED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
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10:41 < mtr> 1-glibc.err: csu/crti.S:15: Error: junk `.get_pc_thunk.bx' after expression
10:41 < mtr> crti.S:15: call __i686.get_pc_thunk.bx
10:42 < mtr> ???
10:57 < rxr_> mtr: ouhm
10:57 < rxr_> that is yet another erorr I did not get so far ...
10:57 -!- You're now known as rxr
11:07 < CIA-15> rene * r12936 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/lib64.patch: * fixed mesa for lib64 architectures
11:07 < CIA-15> rene * r12937 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/ (X11R7.patch mesa.conf mesa.desc): * copyright update for mesa/*
11:07 < mtr> rxr: any idea where to start with 1-glibc.err, where to look into? ARCH='x86', X86_OPT='via-c3-2'
11:09 < rxr> most probably optimization - could you try i586 or so ?
11:10 < mtr> i'll try pentium
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11:17 < valentin> rxr: i want to disable a patch from ulibc for gcc
11:18 < valentin> it is a patch for a gcc bug
11:18 < valentin> it contains a one-line change:
11:19 < valentin> - if (TEST_BIT (hoist_vbeout[bb->index], i))
11:19 < valentin> + if (TEST_BIT (hoist_exprs[bb->index], i))
11:19 < valentin> in gcc 4.0.2 they changed exactly this line, too. but now it contains
11:20 < valentin> if (TEST_BIT (hoist_vbeout[bb->index], i)&& TEST_BIT (transpout[bb->index], i))
11:20 < valentin> everything else in this function is the same as in minor versions
11:20 < valentin> so i consider that is an alternate fix for the same problem
11:20 < valentin> though bugzilla is silent about that fix
11:21 < valentin> i disable the patch and take a look if the system is build, ok ?
11:22 < valentin> rxr: how do i disable silent make in kernel ? eval $MAKE Q="" $makeopt in debug shell ?
11:23 < valentin> no
11:23 < rxr> there was some VERBOSE or so
11:23 < valentin> yes
11:24 < valentin> V="1" works
11:24 < rxr> V=1
11:24 < valentin> i think V=blabla works, too
11:24 < rxr> re
11:24 < rxr> yes
11:24 < rxr> regarding dietlibc just try it ...
11:24 < rxr> uclibc even
11:25 < rxr> I have not used uclibc excessively I do nothing about that patch
11:25 < valentin> hm the new gcc does not know -m4-nofpu, it results in cc1: error: invalid option '4-nofpu'
11:26 < valentin> rxr: as far as i understood that bugzilla entry that patch is a fix for a compile time internal error, so i will notice
11:26 < rxr> m4a-nofpu
11:27 < valentin> cc1: error: invalid option `4a-nofpu'
11:27 < rxr> hm
11:28 < valentin> the info page lists that option
11:28 < valentin> but that is the 3.4.3 info
11:29 < valentin> http://sources.redhat.com/ml/crossgcc/2005-10/msg00035.html
11:29 < rxr> my 4.0 man only lists what I posted
11:30 < rxr> m4a-nofpu
11:30 < valentin> gcc4 needs --with-multilib-list=m4,m4-nofpu otherwise a linux
11:30 < valentin> kernel won't build as it uses the -m4-nofpu option.
11:30 < valentin> from the mail i posted above
11:31 < rxr> have fun adding it ,-)
11:32 < rxr> you could test ig just adding --enable-multilib is enough
11:32 < rxr> try:
11:33 < rxr> sh/config.in:SDECFGSET_MULTILIB=1
11:33 < rxr> that will most probably enable a default multilib list in gcc ...
11:34 < rxr> if that is not enough go to base/gcc/gcc.conf and add a conditional injection of your list for the enable mutlibcase no sh ...
11:34 < rxr> on
11:34 < valentin> ok
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11:36 < CIA-15> valentin * r12938 /trunk/architecture/sh/config.in: * enable multilib support in gcc for sh architectures
11:39 < CIA-15> rene * r12939 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/lib64.patch: * fixed mplayer for lib64
11:42 < rxr> when do we double rock revision count ?
11:42 < valentin> as i said yesterday, together with mnemosyne we have doubled already
11:43 < valentin> otherwise r13036 atm
11:43 < rxr> ok - so tomorrow
11:44 < valentin> if you get 100 revisions in 24h ... that is not impossibe :)
11:50 < rxr> valentin: do you have time for a fun fix?
11:50 < valentin> fun fix ?
11:50 < rxr> yeah
11:50 < rxr> pdftk - java code ,-)
11:51 < valentin> fun ?????
11:51 < rxr> waiting on haudraufinix I think ,-)
11:51 < rxr> according to our java gurus here java is sooooooo great ...
11:51 < valentin> let them fix it *G*
11:51 < valentin> i take a short look
11:52 < rxr> ok - I started the build to get a src.* debug dir
11:53 < valentin> it isn't there yet ?
11:54 < rxr> reerence had so many errors I did a Cleanup already a few times
11:54 < rxr> reference even
11:57 < rxr> building on haudraufinix in /mnt/space/src/t2-trunk
11:59 < rxr> failed
11:59 < rxr> src.pdftk.reference.20051028.115204.14996.localhost
12:05 < jsaw> re
12:05 < jsaw> hi all
12:06 < CIA-15> rene * r12940 /trunk/package/audio/rezound/gcc-4.0-64.patch: * fixed rezound for gcc-4.0 on 64bit architectures
12:06 < rxr> hi jsaw
12:06 < jsaw> hi rxr
12:11 < rxr> hahahahahahaha hahaha ...
12:11 < rxr> http://packages.gentoo.org/packages/?category=app-text;name=pdftk
12:11 < rxr> ^- look at that mask not too many architectures actually work I would say ...
12:12 < jsaw> http://packages.gentoo.org/ebuilds/?man-pages-2.11
12:12 < jsaw> that's even better
12:12 < valentin> still !> cc1: error: invalid option '4-nofpu'
12:12 < jsaw> man-pages, a lot of work to test...
12:13 < valentin> i'll try --with-multilib-list=m4,m4-nofpu
12:13 < rxr> ok
12:13 < rxr> I take a look into pdftk
12:15 < rxr> valentin: fixed
12:19 < CIA-15> rene * r12941 /trunk/package/graphic/pdftk/gcc-4.0.patch: * fixed pdftk for gcc-4.0
12:19 < jsaw> kernel 2.6.14, ipw2[12]00 and hostap included ?
12:20 < rxr> in the case of ipw... not the latest driver
12:20 < rxr> but yes, included
12:20 < rxr> hostap I have not checked but read the heise / golem new
12:20 < rxr> s
12:25 < rxr> 2086 builds total, 1923 completed fine, 163 with errors.
12:26 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/
12:26 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-errs/
12:26 < rxr> even
12:26 < rxr> in the case anyone wants to fix a bit .-)
12:32 < rxr> jsaw: how are you?
12:42 < valentin> re
12:42 < valentin> rxr: i created SDECFG_MULTILIBLIST
12:42 < valentin> can i just set this var in sh/config.in ?
12:44 < rxr> sure
12:49 < valentin> using sdecfgset ?
12:52 < rxr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_SDE
12:52 < rxr> valentin: yes
12:53 < rxr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2
12:53 < rxr> ^- updated as well
12:54 < rxr> when I get xkb and thus a german layout working with my modular X system I add minimal content to the german wikipedia
12:56 < valentin> ./scripts/Config is slow like hell
12:56 < rxr> valentin: ack
12:56 < rxr> that is why I mention to rewrite everytime I refer to it ...
13:01 < valentin> does not work :(
13:03 < valentin> shopping, bbl
13:03 < valentin> do i need to enable something for each SDECFGSET thing ?
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13:08 < rxr> valentin: no
13:09 < valentin> hm
13:09 < valentin> i inserted
13:10 < valentin> SDECFGSET_MULTILIBLIST="m4,m4-nofpu"
13:10 < valentin> and reran Configure
13:10 < valentin> but it is not in config/...
13:10 < valentin> cu later
13:13 < karasz[Away]> moin all
13:17 < rxr> moin karasz[Away]
13:19 < jsaw> rxr: more or less fine... (last week flu, this week stomach flu...)
13:21 < rxr> jsaw: :-(
13:22 < jsaw> but now I'm recovering
13:30 < rxr> re
13:30 < rxr> ok - xkb working
13:30 < rxr> only config change - rules are now named xorg not xfree86 ...
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14:22 < valentin> re
14:23 < jsaw> == 10/28/05 13:34:30 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc.
14:23 < jsaw> ???
14:23 < jsaw> any-cc-ok.patch.cross fails to apply
14:26 < rxr> oops+
14:26 < rxr> wrong patch level_
14:26 < rxr> ? even
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14:36 < valentin> damn stuff...
14:38 < valentin> still no idea why that does not work, whereas the other SDECFGSET_ stuff works
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14:40 < valentin> maybe i need to declare the default value somewhere ?
14:40 < valentin> # Usage: set_data NAME DEFAULT
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14:44 < geekitus> in what package is ifup ?
14:44 < valentin> geekitus: rocknet stuff, that is sysfiles ?
14:44 < valentin> /var/adm/flists/sysfiles:sysfiles: sbin/ifup
14:45 < geekitus> ok, thanks :) !
14:49 < valentin> cu later
14:58 < jsaw> cu later
14:59 < SerWou> good afternoon
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15:04 < karasz> re moin
15:05 < karasz> sorry i was away a bit
15:07 < karasz> question : does anybody know about some overcommit issues in kernel 2.6.9.5?
15:10 < karasz> some kernel gurus around?
15:11 < rxr> this GEZ spy operation found a 10 year ikd addres wgere we kuft ages ago ...
15:11 < rxr> my oh my - damn GEZ crap
15:24 < karasz> hmmm GEZ crap???
15:25 < karasz> rxr maybe you wanna try out our way of imposing television fees
15:25 < karasz> right in your electrical bill
15:25 < karasz> no questions asked, no fuss you pay it even if you do not have a tv
15:26 < rxr> oh mz god
15:27 < karasz> it is very cool if you are a company, especialy.
15:27 < karasz> companies do not have TV's but they pay even higher tv fees :)
15:28 < karasz> you don't pay they cut your electricity which is not cool
15:29 < karasz> by the way, i forgot there is a radio tax also, which you have to pay...:)
15:38 < karasz> rxr will you have time today?
15:39 < karasz> i mean it is possible form me to have in this weekend a workin' T2 on that machine?
15:57 < mnemoc> moin
16:45 < karasz> moin mnemoc
16:54 < mnemoc> moin karasz
16:55 < mnemoc> valentin: config file isn't a dump of SDECFG_ vars, it's created using echo "..." >> config on a few helpers
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17:20 < CIA-15> amery * r12942 /tags/2.1.0/package/gnome2/gnome-panel/gnome-panel.cache: * tweaked gnome-panel.cache to not show dependendcy on evolution-data-server, because 'desktop' target blindly add all dependencies.
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17:27 < Postal> hey all
17:28 < Postal> anyone around?
17:29 < mnemoc> hi Postal
17:29 < rxr> hi Postal
17:29 < mnemoc> hi rxr
17:29 < Postal> hi rxr
17:29 < Postal> hey rxr does the 2.1.0 do a live build on ppc?
17:30 < mnemoc> 2.1.0 doesn't have livecd
17:30 < rxr> 2.1 has no live cd
17:30 < Postal> why? what happened to the live cd?
17:30 < rxr> there will soon be a new livecd from 2.2 aka trunk for x86, x86-64 and powerpc
17:30 < mnemoc> depends on features which belong to 2.2
17:31 < mnemoc> a 2.1-style livecd may get into 2.1.x (with x>1) if someone develop such target
17:32 < mnemoc> 2.1-style = monolitic kernel, devfs, rockplug in this case
17:37 < CIA-15> amery * r12943 /trunk/package/network/xmule/xmule.desc: * updated xmule (1.10.1 -> 1.12.0)
17:37 < rxr> I hope noone does that ...
17:37 < rxr> The Gimp 2.2.9
17:37 < mnemoc> i wont
17:38 * rxr now rsynced my latest x86-64 testbuild with X11R7 into my turion szstem ...
17:38 < rxr> system ...
17:39 < rxr> grummel - needs to get used to the german mapping again, after 2 days with xkb and thus US mapping due X11R7 on my athlon ...
17:39 < mnemoc> there is any reason to put the 'z' there?
17:43 < valentin> short re
17:44 < valentin> rxr: where do we meet ?
17:54 < valentin> cu later
17:54 < rxr> _
17:54 < rxr> ah
17:54 < rxr> I call zou
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17:57 < mnemoc> anyone knows a good screen tutorial? i want to add windows executing stuff from outside procedurally
18:01 < CIA-15> rene * r12944 /trunk/target/archivista/ (download.txt pkg_sane-backends.conf): * updated archivista to inject my latest SANE/Avision code
18:03 < mnemoc> oh, china accepted the text for the free trade agreement between thay and chile :D
18:05 < CIA-15> amery * r12945 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.2.8 -> 2.2.9)
18:19 < rxr> thanks
18:19 < rxr> wow - EXA is indeed fast
18:20 < rxr> I now enabled just for testing EXA isntead of XAA on the radeon based workstation I use for reference builds
18:20 < rxr> transparent windows flying by ...
18:20 < mnemoc> EXA?
18:20 < rxr> a new X.org internal ...
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18:23 < rxr> .oO(a fully transparent konqueror is scrolling smoother than safari without transparency on OS X)
18:23 < rxr> and that on a slower Radeon chip in my athlon
18:24 < rxr> 7500 here where it is a 9200 in the Apple hardware
18:26 < rxr> guess the next live cd will enable EXA AccelMethod for the next live CD due beginning of next week
18:27 < rxr> guess I can now leave the transparent chat term open over kmail and do not need to switch the desktop anymore to look for mail ...
18:28 < rxr> though the "you got mail" voice synth for kmail would help as well ,-)
18:28 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.1.0 ppc build started?
18:28 < rxr> yep kind of
18:29 < mnemoc> ?
18:30 < rxr> started OS suX in the meantime again
18:30 < rxr> I boot it again and continue ...
18:32 < rxr> btw. tag or branch?
18:32 < rxr> what do you want ?
18:32 < rxr> oh - and what should I do with the kaffee hangs on PPC
18:32 < rxr> remove kaffee from desktop ?
18:34 < mnemoc> tag of course
18:35 < mnemoc> what 'kind' of hang?
18:35 < mnemoc> do minimal and bootdisk first ;)
18:36 < mnemoc> kaffe suppose to support ppc
18:44 < mnemoc> nice, i'm triggering a Build-Target on screen via ssh to noisy by cron on my side :p
18:45 < rxr> hehehe
18:45 < rxr> kaffe-bin or so hangs on PPC on many packages
18:45 < rxr> see our trac - I opened issues
18:49 < mnemoc> uhm
18:55 < rxr> I disable for desktop
18:55 < rxr> so - cu - we off to meat kerstin and valentin for lunch
18:55 < rxr> dinner ven
18:55 < rxr> cu then
18:56 < mnemoc> cu rxr
18:56 < _Ragnar_> moin
18:57 < mnemoc> moin _Ragnar_
18:57 < _Ragnar_> hi mnemoc
19:03 < mnemoc> *headache*
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19:06 * _Ragnar_ rub mnemocs temples
19:09 * mnemoc looking for a dictionary :\
19:09 < _Ragnar_> what do you wanna know?
19:11 < mnemoc> i couldn't translate what you said :\
19:14 < _Ragnar_> oh
19:15 < _Ragnar_> 101454 <@Ragnar> .dict temple
19:15 < _Ragnar_> 101456 <+^Siren^> --- [from wn] --- temple n 1: place of worship consisting of an edifice for the worship of a deity 2: the flat area on either side of the forehead; "the veins in his temple throbbed" 3: an edifice devoted to special or exalted purposes 4: (Judaism) the place of worship for a Jewish congregation [syn: {synagogue}, {tabernacle}]
19:16 < mnemoc> which acception?
19:16 < mnemoc> and 'rub'?
19:16 < _Ragnar_> massage gently
19:17 < mnemoc> :D
19:17 < mnemoc> thanks
19:17 < _Ragnar_> :) yw
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19:58 < misl> hi folks :)
19:59 < mnemoc> hi noisy-murderer
20:01 < misl> uhh?
20:01 < misl> I wasn't even in da house
20:01 < misl> :)
20:02 < misl> What were you running?
20:02 < mnemoc> 2.1.0 build
20:03 < misl> have to read a story to Merlyn. bbl
20:03 < mnemoc> :)
20:08 < owl> moin
20:08 < mnemoc> moin owlinette
20:08 < owl> hi mnemoc
20:15 * misl is back
20:15 < misl> mnemoc: how was your 2.1 build doing>
20:15 < misl> >=?
20:15 < mnemoc> i boot and minimal good
20:15 < mnemoc> desktop, yuck yuck
20:16 < mnemoc> s/^i //
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20:16 < misl> hmm, in nearly 1,5 weeks noisy can be left running continuously in midweeks :)
20:17 < misl> then I will be staying at my new summerhouse :)
20:17 < mnemoc> :D
20:17 < mnemoc> pictures?
20:17 < owl> wb misl
20:17 < misl> hi owl
20:18 < misl> lets see if I can dig up some pictures
20:19 < misl> http://www.funda.nl/recreatie/detail_overzicht.asp?obj_GUID={2093FF44-9F06-4CED-A796-902B2EBDC8B3}&sfPrijsMin=0&sfPrijsMax=1000000000&sfProvincie=OV&crrentChoices=&crrentTotal=20&paginaVolgNummer=1&objectVolgNummer=7&zid=328118&sfPlaatsID=7203&searchmode=normaal
20:20 < misl> it is not the same one but mine looks very similar.
20:21 < mnemoc> does yours also have the forest around?
20:22 < misl> yepp :)
20:22 < mnemoc> very nice house
20:22 < misl> :D
20:23 < misl> morfoh wants to throw somekind of T2 party there.
20:24 < mnemoc> beware, i would kill for a house like that
20:24 < misl> Am I lucky that you are on the other side of the globe :)
20:24 < mnemoc> yep :)
20:26 < misl> It is not as big as it looks like. But there is room enought for the three of us (Merlyn, Pauline and me).
20:29 < mnemoc> 85/532 m² is quite good
20:29 < mnemoc> i rent a 38/50 house
20:30 < misl> for the 4 of you?
20:30 < mnemoc> yep
20:30 < mnemoc> and without the forest ;)
20:31 < misl> The forest is what made us actually do it.
20:32 < misl> then there is plenty of space for Merlyn to create havoc :)
20:32 < mnemoc> :D
20:34 < misl> mnemoc: Do you have any experience with xen?
20:35 < mnemoc> just netless qemu
20:36 < misl> I was wondering if xen was a good choice to make better use of noisy
20:36 < mnemoc> why?
20:36 < mnemoc> what do you want to do?
20:37 < misl> Just divide the capacity over various virtual hosts.
20:37 < mnemoc> do you need difefrent kernels running?
20:37 < misl> and being able to create a t2 distro that is capable of doing that out of the box.
20:38 < misl> not necessarily
20:38 < mnemoc> use vserver then
20:38 < misl> but like this clusters could be tested as well.
20:38 < mnemoc> sheba target (mnemosyne based) wants to become a lightweight vserver host
20:39 < mnemoc> but i need to complete dietlibc support
20:40 < misl> for what purpose are you targeting?
20:42 < mnemoc> a low footprint t2 based distribution to host and manage multiple virtual hosts using vserver :)
20:42 < mnemoc> i have one glibc/sheba serving
20:43 < mnemoc> but i want dietlibc and rsbac on the 'final product'
20:45 < misl> So still some work ahead
20:47 < misl> does you build automatically start again tomorrow?
20:47 < mnemoc> it suppose to
20:47 < mnemoc> 8:15
20:48 < misl> okay, good to know
20:48 < mnemoc> will you reinstall noisy with a natively built OS?
20:49 < misl> If I wanne be sure it still works afterwards I'd better leave to rxr or maybe you.
20:49 < misl> :)
20:50 < misl> I will be switching to potato mode now. (couch potato)
20:50 < misl> I think I deserve that after a week of hard working.
20:50 < misl> :)
20:50 < misl> I might be back later. cu
20:51 < mnemoc> gn8 potato ;)
21:08 < CIA-15> ragnar * r12946 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.conf: * vserver: fixed small typo in conf
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21:19 < menomc> yuck yuck
21:19 < rxr> re
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21:22 < _Ragnar_> ./common/lpq.c:452: warning: not enough variable arguments to fit a sentinel <-- what does that mean?
21:23 < rxr> oehm
21:24 < rxr> I think this will we some fuction with varags foo (x, ...) that is misused
21:25 < rxr> this EXA graphics are just impressive ...
21:25 < rxr> Q: Why do you use Linux? A: It is the OS with the most eye candy ,-)
21:29 < rxr> n8 all
21:29 < owl> gn8 rxr
21:30 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
21:30 < _Ragnar_> gn8
21:30 < _Ragnar_> EXA?
21:30 < mnemoc> [13:20:59]
21:30 < mnemoc> [13:21:11]
21:31 < _Ragnar_> thx :)
21:33 < mnemoc> :)
21:36 < rxr> ok - we filled with wild pig and starting to crawl into bed ...
21:38 * _Ragnar_ renames rxr to obelix (and hides from the lawyers)
21:39 < mnemoc> :D
21:55 < rxr> sepp: in contrast to the former monolythic X, which miscompiled the radeon driver on x86-64 and gcc-4.0, the modualr X stuff does work out of the box on x86-64/radeon
21:55 < rxr> includign exa
21:56 < rxr> finally, n8 have fun hacking
21:58 < _Ragnar_> gn8=)
22:01 < CIA-15> ragnar * r12947 /trunk/package/printing/lprng/lprng.conf: * remove -Werror from lprng gcc calls, fancy new gcc4 warnings break it :)
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22:09 < Baldzius> hello
22:13 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: what was the typo on 12946? i can't see it in diff :\
22:18 < _Ragnar_> confidr->confdir
22:19 < mnemoc> oh
22:20 < mnemoc> any why the regex? makeopt is cleaned on top
22:20 < mnemoc> and*
22:20 < _Ragnar_> huh?
22:22 < _Ragnar_> oh dunno O-o
22:23 < valentin> re
22:28 < mnemoc> wb valentin
22:29 < karasz> re moin all
22:36 < mnemoc> moin karasz
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23:18 < karasz> sorry i was on the other desktop (hi, hi KVM switch) moin mnemoc
23:29 < valentin> gn8
23:34 < karasz> gn* valentin
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