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00:07 < CIA-2> chris * r12446 /branches/2.1/package/network/ser/ser.desc: * fixed download location
00:32 < CIA-2> amery * r12447 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.2.29 -> 2.3.9)
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08:08 < rxr> re
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09:26 < CIA-2> rene * r12448 /trunk/package/graphic/pstoedit/pstoedit.desc: * updated pstoedit (2.41 -> 3.42)
09:26 < CIA-2> rene * r12449 /trunk/package/multimedia/libzvbi/libzvbi.desc: * updated libzvbi (0.2.13 -> 0.2.17)
09:26 < CIA-2> rene * r12450 /trunk/package/multimedia/libcdio/libcdio.desc: * updated libcdio (0.75 -> 0.76)
09:28 < CIA-2> rene * r12451 /trunk/package/graphic/vips/vips.desc: * updated vips (7.10 -> 7.10.14)
09:31 < CIA-2> rene * r12452 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * updated imagemagick (6.2.4-4 -> 6.2.4-6)
09:33 < CIA-2> rene * r12453 /trunk/package/games/ltris/ltris.desc: * updated ltris (1.0.10 -> 1.0.11)
09:36 < CIA-2> rene * r12454 /trunk/package/x11/libsvg-cairo/libsvg-cairo.desc: * updated libsvg-cairo (0.1.5 -> 0.1.6)
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10:02 < CIA-2> rene * r12455 /trunk/package/network/scmxx/scmxx.desc: * updated scmxx (0.8.0 -> 0.8.1)
10:03 < CIA-2> rene * r12457 /trunk/package/network/liferea/liferea.desc: * updated liferea (0.9.4 -> 0.9.7)
10:03 < CIA-2> rene * r12458 /trunk/package/network/stunnel/stunnel.desc: * updated stunnel (4.11 -> 4.12)
10:03 < CIA-2> rene * r12456 /trunk/package/network/lat/lat.desc: * updated lat (0.6.1 -> 0.7.3)
10:03 < CIA-2> rene * r12459 /trunk/package/network/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.desc: * updated ndiswrapper (1.3rc1 -> 1.4)
10:03 < CIA-2> rene * r12460 /trunk/package/audio/libvorbis/libvorbis.desc: * updated libvorbis (1.1.0 -> 1.1.1)
10:04 < CIA-2> rene * r12461 /trunk/package/archiver/unshield/unshield.desc: * updated unshield (0.4 -> 0.5)
10:04 < CIA-2> rene * r12462 /trunk/package/kde/qt/X11R7.patch: * fixed qt for X11R7, already lingering around some days :-(
10:04 < valentin> moin
10:04 < CIA-2> rene * r12463 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.07 -> 2.08)
10:05 < rxr> moin valentin 
10:06 < CIA-2> rene * r12464 /trunk/package/x11/freeglut/freeglut.conf: * fixed freeglut for X11R7 - already nearly a day old
10:07 < rxr> ok - that should do as daily morning update ,-)
10:15 < valentin> moin rxr
10:15 < valentin> merkel will be bundeskanzler
10:15 < rxr> ouhm
10:16 < rxr> guess we need a new pilot wanting to crash his machine - just this time a bit more accurate on the ...
10:16 < rxr> ... kanzleramt
10:16 < valentin> naaa
10:16 < valentin> as i understood it, the SPD gets most minister posts as an return deal
10:17 < rxr> they said so the whole weekend ...
10:17 < valentin> including justizministerium .oO
10:17 < rxr> yeah - we know what crap those SPD wannabes did ...
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10:51 < CIA-2> mtr * r12465 /trunk/package/network/dansguardian/dansguardian.desc: * updated dansguardian antivirus plugin (6.4.2 -> 6.4.3)
10:51 < CIA-2> mtr * r12466 /trunk/package/network/prozilla/prozilla.desc: * updated prozilla (1.3.7.3 -> 2.0.0)
10:53 < CIA-2> mtr * r12467 /trunk/package/multimedia/vdr/ (softdevice-0.1.0-makefile.diff vdr.desc): 
10:53 < CIA-2> * updated vdr (1.3.33 -> 1.3.34)
10:53 < CIA-2> * updated softdevice plugin (0.1.3 -> 0.2.0)
10:55 < CIA-2> mtr * r12468 /trunk/package/office/qbankmanager/qbankmanager.desc: * updated qbankmanager (0.9.23 -> 0.9.29-2)
10:57 < Baldzius> good morning :)
10:59 < CIA-2> mtr * r12469 /trunk/package/filesystem/squashfs-tools/squashfs-tools.desc: * updated squashfs-tools (2.2 -> 2.2-r2)
11:40 < CIA-2> aldas * r12470 /trunk/package/filesystem/xfsprogs/xfsprogs.desc: * updated xfsprogs (2.6.36 -> 2.7.3)
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12:12 < mtr> moin moin
12:31 < Baldzius> moin mtr
12:37 < mtr> mesa needs NOPARALLEL for me, anyone else with mesa compile errors?
12:37 < mtr> hi Baldzius 
13:11 < CIA-2> aldas * r12471 /trunk/package/base/acl/acl.desc: * updated acl (2.2.31 -> 2.2.32)
13:12 < CIA-2> aldas * r12472 /trunk/package/base/attr/attr.desc: * updated attr (2.4.23 -> 2.4.24)
13:21 < rxr> re
13:22 < rxr> mtr: I saw one stray build error - feel free to flag it NOPARALLEL
13:25 < CIA-2> aldas * r12473 /trunk/package/develop/help2man/help2man.desc: * updated help2man (1.35.1 -> 1.35.2)
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13:27 < owl> hi
13:27 < rxr> hi owl 
13:27 < Baldzius> hi owl, rxr
13:29 < Baldzius> rxr: you are doing reference build, could it be possible to get list of packages whitch fails?
13:29 < rxr> sure - right now the list is longer due to gcc-4.0 dust and modular X migration
13:33 < CIA-2> rene * r12474 /trunk/package/filesystem/ntfsprogs/ntfsprogs.desc: * updated ntfsprogs (1.11.2 -> 1.12.0)
13:33 < rxr> Baldzius: I send a mail to the list ok?
13:33 < Baldzius> you can sent it rigt to me baldzius@gmail.com
13:36 < rxr> mail send
13:36 < rxr> Baldzius: are you on the list - or should I resend to you directly ?
13:36 < Baldzius> rxr: it's ok i am subscribed
13:37 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-errs/
13:40 < Baldzius> hm is this x86-64 build?
13:42 < rxr> nope
13:42 < CIA-2> rene * r12475 /trunk/package/fonts/ (5 files in 5 dirs): * fixed font packages previously using TrueType as directory to use TTF
13:43 < rxr> why ?
13:44 < Baldzius> i see a lot of packages which builds fine for me
13:44 < Baldzius> like k3b rpm ...
13:45 < rxr> did you build a build as new as using modular X packages?
13:45 < rxr> k3b looks like a modular X.org regression
13:46 < Baldzius> rxr: no with old xorg
13:46 < rxr> see ,-)
13:50 < Baldzius> rxr: what was the revision number when you started reference build?
13:51 < rxr> no idea - yesterday - but I update on the fly ...
13:51 < rxr> thus it is building on HEAD
13:52 < Baldzius> hm strange, i fixed rpm build fail on r12421
13:53 < Baldzius> i looked in error log it looks like error i fixed
13:53 < rxr> ok - thanks - I try rebuilding it
13:53 < rxr> the first packages are not built with HEAD of course ...
13:53 < rxr> however when it once built all stuff I'll rm all .err logs and try again
13:54 < rxr> but the rpm err log is removed now
13:56 < rxr> ok - I inject code to generically fix those packages that use imperfect directory names that do not work with X11R7 anymore
13:56 < rxr> (that is they use X11R7 instead of jsut X11 ...)
13:58 < Baldzius> this week there should be 2 big releases kde 3.4.3 & koffice 1.4.2, they should resolve issue with qt {uic} 3.3.5
13:58 < rxr> nice
13:58 < rxr> == 10/10/05 13:57:36 =[5]=> Finished building package graphviz.
13:59 < rxr> so - my generic X11R7 fixup seems functional - let me retest my update
13:59 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 89.39% (539 hits, 64 misses)
13:59 < rxr> ^- graphviz rebuild  ...
14:20 < Baldzius> bbl
14:30 < valentin> re
14:43 < CIA-2> rene * r12476 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/parse-config: * added global, generic X11R6 -> X11R7 migration help thru wrappers
14:43 < rxr> hi valentin 
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16:02 < CIA-2> rene * r12477 /trunk/package/xorg/gccmakedep/ (. gccmakedep gccmakedep.conf gccmakedep.desc): * added gccmakedep (0.99.0) - an ugly compatibility package for old legacy packages
16:08 < mnemoc> *headache*
16:09 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - why ?
16:09 < rxr> one more ugly crufty package neded - rman
16:10 < rxr> damn - what a cruft we have in the system (and formerly in one big xorg package) is amazing
16:13 < rxr> and updating broke the shadow package and associated stuff again (at runtime)
16:13 < rxr> since those PLD freaks took over shadow, it is more and more broken with each version
16:13 < mnemoc> there is an alternative.... w8
16:13 < rxr> I'll add rman and then track this shadow breakage when I'm back from cutting my hair ...
16:14 < mnemoc> http://www.thkukuk.de/pam/pwdutils/
16:15 < mnemoc> will you keep it short?
16:22 < rxr> yep - that is why I have to visit this - look into dict
16:23 < rxr>  hairdresser ... ,-)
16:24 < rxr> no pwdutils package in t2 ;-)? 
16:25 < rxr> my generic fixup reduces a lot of regressions ;-)
16:25 < rxr> X11R7 fixup
16:26 < mnemoc> parse-config is a great place for procedural patching :)
16:26 < rxr> or generic wrapping ;-)
16:27 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/
16:28  * rxr away - soon back to fixup trunk ,-)
16:30 < CIA-2> rene * r12478 /trunk/package/xorg/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * removed xorg/xau - libxau is the new package and xau from my early Xgl attempt missed the rename to libxau :-(
16:30 < rxr> auh - f*ck
16:30 < rxr> damn 2 files with copy right slipped thru
16:31 < rxr> I should not commit when I'm in a hurry ... :-(
16:31 < mnemoc> ack
16:31 < mnemoc> :)
16:40 < rxr> ouhm - the one around the corner is closed on monday :-(
16:43 < mnemoc> i cut it myself :p
16:46 < mnemoc> rxr: can you commit to xorg-server saying what you did on 12478?
16:47 < rxr> how commit ? - only CopyPatch anyway ... :-(
16:48 < mnemoc> ah, ok
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17:08 < rxr> ouhm - on my main workstation I have a lingering cifs mount from tests ...
17:09 < rxr> Clean up is very slow now - timing out on every fuser I think for every dir ... :-(
17:09 < rxr> umount -f is of no help :-(
17:11 < mnemoc> oh
17:15 < rxr> does http://shadow.pld.org.pl work for you ?
17:16 < mnemoc> "waiting"
17:24 < sparc-kly|WORK> operation time out for me .
17:24 < mnemoc> not time out yet here
17:24 < mnemoc> just "waiting"
17:26 < mnemoc> rxr: downdating shadow doesn't solve your issue?
17:29 < rxr> mnemoc: well - I adapt some stuff and then it should work again - basically
17:32 < CIA-2> rene * r12479 /trunk/package/base/pam/ (etc_pamd_shadow.txt etc_pamd_su.txt): 
17:32 < CIA-2> * removed etc/pam.d/{su,shadow} from the pam package - more accurate
17:32 < CIA-2>  ones are supplied by the shadow package itself, now
17:33 < CIA-2> rene * r12480 /trunk/package/base/shadow/shadow.conf: 
17:33 < CIA-2> * removed outdated hacks from the shadow package and added instaling
17:33 < CIA-2>  of the required pam configuration
17:39 < CIA-2> aldas * r12481 /trunk/package/graphic/hermes/gcc4.patch: * added patch to fix hermes compile under gcc4
17:40 < mnemoc> finally timeout
17:41 < rxr> mnemoc: thanks ,-)
17:42 < mnemoc> :)
17:55 < Baldzius> mnemoc: mjpegtools compiles for me with Emerge-Pkg
18:02 < mnemoc> it's a 'stage-9' problem, that means it's produces by an optional dependency
18:02 < mnemoc> ./.libs/liblavfile.so: undefined reference to `quicktime_read_audio'
18:03 < mnemoc> ^---- quicktime
18:04 < mnemoc> API change i guess
18:17 < Baldzius> gst-plugins also compiles
18:19 < mnemoc> also stage-9
18:20 < Baldzius> for rxr it fails on 5'th
18:22 < Baldzius> oh for him fails of -lX11
18:22 < rxr> == 10/10/05 15:58:19 =[5]=> Finished building package gst-plugins.
18:22 < Baldzius> :)))
18:23 < rxr> I think it was X11R7 that I globally work arounded for now ...
18:23 < rxr> 2087 builds total, 1414 completed fine, 172 with errors.
18:23 < rxr> a lot less errors now - and I did not even tried to rebiuld all - only grepped for obvious stuff caused by X11R7 (and missing gccmakedep)
18:36 < sparc-kly|WORK> Your current bandwidth reading is:
18:36 < sparc-kly|WORK> 64.20kbps
18:36 < sparc-kly|WORK>   i hate my work T1 Line . 
18:39 < mnemoc> what do you use to measure?
18:40 < sparc-kly|WORK> ISP speed test
19:02 < CIA-2> rene * r12482 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (net-backup-restore.sh net-backup-setup.sh net-backup.in): 
19:02 < CIA-2> * more archivista/net-backup* work, changed type encoding back to
19:02 < CIA-2>  lower-case (easier / more natural), ask for the share name in the
19:02 < CIA-2>  NFS case, fixup permissions on restore (not backed up due to CIFS),
19:02 < CIA-2>  start portmap when needed (NFS)
19:14 < _Ragnar_> moin
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19:16 < morfoh> hi folks 
19:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: mozilla 1.7.11 on 2.1 has a wrong chksum ...
19:30 < Baldzius> hi morfoh
19:35 < morfoh> HI Baldzius :)
19:36 < CIA-2> aldas * r12483 /trunk/package/www/links/links.desc: 
19:36 < CIA-2> * updated links (2.1pre17 -> 2.1pre19)
19:36 < CIA-2> * changed [U] and [D] URLs
19:44 < CIA-2> rene * r12484 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (net-backup-setup.sh net-backup.in): 
19:44 < CIA-2> * fixed archivista/net-backup*: newly introduced typo in a type
19:44 < CIA-2>  conditional, mount option appending and made sure the share
19:44 < CIA-2>  name does not end with a slash (/), it confuses windows -
19:44 < CIA-2>  made sure the share starts with a slash, just to work around
19:44 < CIA-2>  sloppy users ...
19:46 < morfoh> rxr: have you seen the announcement on dietlibc ml? ... it seems that dynamic linking is working with gcc4 now. let's see ;)
19:47 < rxr> did you experience problems specific to gcc 4 ?
19:48 < CIA-2> rene * r12485 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/backup-setup.in: * removed debug output from archivista/backup-setup.sh
19:48 < mnemoc> morfoh: # ./scripts/Download -mk-cksum download/mirror/m/mozilla-1.7.11-source.tar.bz2
19:48 < mnemoc> download/mirror/m/mozilla-1.7.11-source.tar.bz2: 832644712
19:48 < morfoh> rxr: nope ... not while building a statically embedded target 
19:49 < rxr> ouhm
19:50 < rxr> I'm too trained for mp3 radio - the quality is - well - not really acceptable
19:50 < rxr> distortions sound more awful then LPs ...
19:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: try to move away you current downloaded mozilla package and download again 
19:51 < rxr> than even
19:51 < mnemoc> morfoh: download from a mirror, or get both and compare
19:52 < morfoh> 127320188 <-- this is from manual download
19:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: please download http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/2.1-stable/m/mozilla-1.7.11-source.tar.bz2  and diff -Nudr
19:54 < morfoh> ok
19:54 < mnemoc> if the change is significative, update to 1.7.11a
19:54 < morfoh> ack
19:55 < mnemoc> if not, use the mirrors
19:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess I burn your whole intl. bandwidth now ;)
19:57 < mnemoc> :)
19:57 < morfoh> mjpegtools seems to fail due to some prio issues with libquicktime at least on my ref build
19:58 < rxr> mnemoc: what lower Mhz is acceptable for computer boards sent to you ?
19:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'll check that too
19:58 < rxr> morfoh: trunk or 2.1 ?
19:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: on stage-9 there are no posible prio issues
19:58 < mnemoc> rxr: no restrictions
19:59 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I guess on both, but I just have a fresh 2.1 ref build around here
19:59 < rxr> ok - s/acceptable/useful/
19:59 < rxr> I guess you do not need some 133 Mhz board ?
19:59 < rxr> morfoh: ah
20:01 < morfoh> btw, deva project seems to be abandonned ... no URL anymore
20:02 < morfoh> rxr: btw, if you have a unuused PII or PIII board ... I've some "spare" processors around here
20:03 < mnemoc> http://aig.cs.man.ac.uk/research/deva/deva.php
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20:04 < rxr> morfoh: I avoid Intel like the plaque ...
20:05 < mnemoc> i avoid amd :p
20:05 < Baldzius> :)))
20:05 < rxr> plague even
20:05 < rxr> mnemoc: why ?
20:05 < morfoh> rxr: I know ... just wanted to mention the availability ;)
20:05 < rxr> all my Intels here came for free from people demanding a faster CPU ...
20:05 < mnemoc> _very_ bad experiences with their first boards
20:05 < rxr> I only had one PII / PIII class box IIRC - and that is gsmp.tfh-berlin.de
20:05 < rxr> mnemoc: first in 3x86 range ?
20:06 < rxr> I have spare Intel 233 MMX CPUs from a dual board that went flanky ...
20:08 < mnemoc> k5 iirc
20:08 < rxr> tough two boxes I'll not give away: some 386 DX 40 or so with original Cyrix 387 and a IDT Winchip 2 board
20:08 < Baldzius> 5y ago i bought last Intel CPU {for me or my friends}
20:11 < morfoh> strange due to xscreensaver.cache it depends on libquicktime but libquickime is build after xscreensaver
20:11 < rxr> morfoh: ref builds usually built stage 9 to make sure all deps are tracked
20:15 < mnemoc> morfoh: optional dependency detected by accident
20:21 < CIA-2> aldas * r12486 /trunk/package/multimedia/transcode/transcode.desc: * updated transcode (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
20:23 < CIA-2> rene * r12487 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/mysql-case-fixup.sh: 
20:23 < CIA-2> * added a script to the archivista target that is able to fixup the
20:23 < CIA-2>  case of mysql table files after the Windows random() function
20:23 < CIA-2>  messed up the case (e.g. by dragging a backup on the Windows
20:23 < CIA-2>  desktop and back on the USB stick - don't ask) - yuck
20:24 < rxr> any comments to that script ? ;-)
20:24 < mnemoc> o.o
20:25 < rxr> mnemoc: do you take a look before it is run on real world data from a customer ? ;-)?
20:26 < rxr> amaroK 1.3.3 
20:27 < mnemoc> ok ok ;)
20:32 < karasz> hi
20:33 < karasz> i mean re hi :)
20:33 < rxr>  Athlon64 X2 4800+ without fan - but expensive:
20:33 < rxr> A
20:33 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0510/40916.html
20:33 < rxr> 4.050,- Euro
20:34 < Baldzius> my dream is X2 3800+ :)
20:34 < rxr> Baldzius: for those you pay ++ for the name and design ...
20:34 < rxr> and the passive cooling via heatpipe ...
20:35 < Baldzius> rxr: all my computers are 'homebrand' :)
20:36 < rxr> Baldzius: have you looked at the URL's pics ?
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20:36 < rxr> it is a design case that can be placed near the home cinema s.th. in the living room
20:36 < rxr> moin minto 
20:36 < minto> hi folks
20:36 < karasz> hi minto
20:38 < Baldzius> passive cooling is nice
20:38 < Baldzius> but expensive
20:39 < mnemoc> rxr: very ugly your mysql fix
20:39 < rxr> mnemoc: why ugly?
20:40 < rxr> mnemoc: isn't that nice shell code?
20:41 < CIA-2> rene * r12488 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/net-backup-restore.sh: * added mysql-case-fixup.sh to archivista/net-backup-restore.sh
20:42 < minto> hi rxr, karasz, mnemoc, baldzius. sorry I was phoning.
20:42 < rxr> mnemoc: you are welcome - hi ,-)
20:42 < minto> rxr: what design case where you mentioning?
20:42 < mnemoc> :)
20:42 < rxr> 20:33 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0510/40916.html
20:42 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you want to achieve that you don't simply use tr ?
20:42 < minto> click
20:43 < rxr> mnemoc: :) to the code - did you see any potentional flaw? other than database names must be lower case ...
20:43 < CIA-2> aldas * r12489 /trunk/package/perl/perl-gd/perl-gd.desc: * updated perl-gd (2.23 -> 2.28)
20:43 < rxr> mnemoc: mysql files have .MYD .MDI and .frm
20:43 < rxr> mnemoc: if you copy the files around using Windows the case sometimes get's messed up
20:43 < rxr> mnemoc: the archivista box allows backup to USB stick - guess what
20:43 < mnemoc> -name "*.MYD" -o -name "*.MDI"   is cleaner
20:44 < rxr> mnemoc: a customer dragged his files on his desktop - used the backup stick - and later dagged the fils back to the stick to restore
20:44 < rxr> boom - mysql refused to run with randomly messed up case in the file names ...
20:44 < mnemoc> is it wrong to simply lowcase everything?
20:44 < rxr> yes - the .frm must be lower case and the MYI / MYD must be uppwer case
20:45 < mnemoc> o.o
20:45 < rxr> don't ask me - I did not wrote this kind of database junk ...
20:45 < rxr> my script should reliably lower case the filename (all data base tables used are and must be lower case, and fix up the extension as needed
20:45 < rxr> do you see any problem in this kind of functionally ?
20:45 < mnemoc> nope
20:46 < rxr> good ,-)
20:46 < rxr> I wrote the regex that strict to be sure not to mess files not mysql database files ...
20:46 < rxr> one never knows ...
20:47 < rxr> I stay with the shorted find invocation - some more complex regex also ensure I get maintenance work and they do not understand those Unix-a-like magic ,-)
20:47 < mnemoc> :D
20:47 < rxr> just joking ,-)
20:48 < mnemoc> really? ;)
20:48 < rxr> ok - net-backup tested on NFS and CIFS, some imperfect filled values are silently corrected (e.g. those I manged to hit like windows not liking access to shares ending with / (silently removed now) - I guess I can get dinner
20:48 < rxr> mnemoc: which part ?
20:49 < mnemoc> to be joking
20:50 < rxr> well - writing stuff companies can not do in-house is always comfortable - they need to get back with maintenance jobs ,-)
20:50 < rxr> though I do not add extra complexity - at least not normally ,-)
20:51 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png
20:51 < rxr> ^- back on track ,-)
20:51 < rxr> amazing is, that the T2 average commit ammount stays at the lever of the highers peaks at ROCK times ... ,-)
20:53 < rxr> "Making development fun and easy leads to higher quality code and a faster velocity of development, even when implementing a frivolous project" -Geoff Broadwell
20:53 < rxr> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/7996
20:55 < mnemoc> *bookmarked*
20:55 < rxr> it is brand new "Oct. 05, 2005 02:05 PM"
20:56 < rxr> mnemoc: can we do anyting to make T2 development more funny ?
20:57 < mnemoc> t2-powered ?
20:58 < rxr> oh - why did I ask ...
20:59 < rxr> guess a update mail server with stricter SPAM checker would also help the t2 list ... :-(
20:59  * rxr adds a x86-64 for mnemoc to the list of happyness things ...
20:59 < mnemoc> dietlibc/gcc.chroot.patch would make _me_ happy ;)
21:00  * rxr wonders if the fiscal authorities would accept the tax return for a ExactCode box located in Chile ...
21:00 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - archivista and trunk stuff done - SSH coordinates as usual ?
21:01 < valentin> cc1plus: error: invalid option argument `-Ofun'
21:01 < mnemoc> nope, new location
21:01 < rxr> valentin: are you cc1plus ?
21:02 < mnemoc> but your key is there
21:02 < rxr> hi valentin, how are you ?
21:02 < mnemoc> wb valentin :)
21:02 < rxr> mnemoc: key - .o(guess I have to wake the iBook then ...)
21:02 < rxr> mnemoc: ah - that box ...
21:02 < mnemoc> rxr: give me a new one
21:02 < valentin> hi rxr, mnemoc 
21:02 < rxr> mnemoc: nah - iBook is fine
21:02 < mnemoc> rxr: but -p 2203
21:02 < valentin> rxr: i pasted the error of  g++ -Ofun test.cc
21:02 < mnemoc> it's a vserver
21:03 < mnemoc> rxr: cd /root/building/t2-mnemoc; Build-Target -cfg diet
21:06 < rxr> Permission denied (publickey).
21:06 < rxr> ok - it was not that key ..
21:06 < rxr> mnemoc: what host is listed in the key you have ?
21:07 < mnemoc> minute
21:07 < mnemoc> haudraufinix
21:13 < Baldzius> rxr: /etc/pam.d/login conflicts with "shadow", should i remove it from "pam"?
21:14 < rxr> yes
21:14 < rxr> it is already removed from pam
21:14 < rxr> the only problem is when you in-system build the latest shadow ...
21:14 < rxr> .o(or did I forget a commit?)
21:15 < Baldzius> you removed su and shadow
21:15 < Baldzius> there are left login and other
21:16 < mnemoc> why do we prefer pam.d/ from shadow??
21:18 < rxr> because it is shadows login - thus shadow has to supply what it need
21:18 < rxr> so does gdm and so on ...
21:18 < rxr> or xscreensaver ...
21:23 < mnemoc> rxr: did you get in?
21:23 < rxr> yep
21:24 < rxr> but I grab s.th. for eat first
21:24 < rxr> but I continue to take a look this night - moved it to the top of the TODO ;-)
21:25 < mnemoc> thanks :)
21:25  * rxr shortly grabbing a snak outside (fridge to empty ...)
21:25 < rxr> cu in some minutes
21:25 < mnemoc> cu rxr 
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21:48 < keinek> hi
21:48 < keinek> hi rxr
21:48 < keinek> i wanna use t2 live cd.
21:48 < keinek> but
21:48 < keinek> what download?
21:48 < morfoh> hi keinek
21:49 < keinek> i try to compile live cd, but while compile linux26 the compile fail.
21:49 < keinek> hi morfoh 
21:49 < keinek> :)
21:49 < morfoh> keinek: do you want to build a livecd or download a pre built version ? ;)
21:49 < keinek> both
21:49 < keinek> build and download.
21:50 < keinek> download for looking live cd today
21:50 < keinek> and build for entertaiment
21:50 < keinek> ;)
21:50 < morfoh> anyway the livecd target needs a lot of polishing afaik ,,,
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21:56 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-2 ] [ keinek] [ mtr ] [ rxr   ] [ Shingo-- ] 
21:56 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw  ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg_] [ rxr_  ] [ sparc-kly] 
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21:56 < keinek> t2-live cd is the best way to user that just started with t2.
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21:57 < keinek> i dont need a update trunk for live-cd
21:57 < keinek> i need a fixed trunk that works.
21:57 < keinek> i dont need update programs.
21:57 < morfoh> karasz: thanks, also lot of work ... but almost fine. anyway there is some more space for improvements ... ( to be diplomatic ;)
21:58 < keinek> i can test live cd build all day
21:58 < keinek> believe me
21:58 < keinek> :)
21:59 < karasz> morfoh: care to expand your statement?
22:00  * morfoh believes keinek
22:00 < rxr_> re
22:01 < morfoh> wb rxr_ 
22:02 < rxr_> re
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22:08 < keinek> rxr, i need a live cd of t2
22:08 < keinek> what download?
22:08 < keinek> :)
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22:24 [Users #t2]
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22:24 < rxr_> the agressive Microsoft Windows commercials on TV here in Germany get on my nerves ...
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22:24 < rxr> so - back
22:24 < rxr> mnemoc: what is your purpose with the diet target?
22:25 < rxr> mnemoc: is it the only diet target failing?
22:25 < Baldzius> rxr: where i can control that
22:25 < Baldzius> Processing static lib corrections ...
22:25 < Baldzius> `/lib/libshadow.a' -> `/usr/lib/libshadow.a'
22:25 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, only diet
22:25 < rxr> I ask because you build a dietlibc linked gcc - that is s.th. I have never tried so far and I know at ROCK time Esden did patch gcc, but later I removed (this ugly) patch since it got out of sync ...
22:25 < mnemoc> rxr: the purpose is to have lightweight versions of normal targets
22:26 < rxr> does any other dietlibc stuff build for you?
22:26 < mnemoc> bootdisk and dietembedded does
22:26 < rxr> dietembedded does not AFAIK
22:26 < mnemoc> .oO
22:27 < morfoh> rxr: sure ... it does 
22:27 < mnemoc> at least it did the last time i tried
22:27 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... there are some issues ... but regarding gcc it works 
22:28 < morfoh> i.e. curl fails on embedded trunk version
22:28 < morfoh> ppp on both 
22:28 < rxr> I just take a look - I thiink I explicitly only build the toolchain stuff in stage 0 in embedded
22:28 < mnemoc> ppp fails due to a problem with libpcap
22:29 < rxr> X 0--------- 102.100 base binutils 2.16.91.0.3 / base/development DIETLIBC 0
22:29 < rxr> X 0--------- 102.300 base gcc 4.0.2 / base/development DIETLIBC CC KCC CXX F77 0
22:29 < rxr> mnemoc: I know that ppp issue
22:29 < mnemoc> native dietlibc worked with gcc 3.4.3
22:29 < mnemoc> acording to jsaw, gcc.chroot.patch does the trick
22:29 < mnemoc> but not enough for 3.4.4
22:29 < morfoh> 2.1. slightly changed embedded booted here yesterday 
22:31 < mnemoc> uclibc?
22:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: diet
22:32 < rxr> mnemoc: I try to reproduce locally
22:33 < rxr> mnemoc: how much does  t2-mnemoc differ from vanilla 2.1 ?
22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: scripts/ dir is switched to support target inherence
22:33 < rxr> ok - I see
22:34 < mnemoc> rxr: but you can do it using mnemosyne target from svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk
22:34 < mnemoc> and setting dietlibc option
22:34 < morfoh> o even a minimal dietsheba 
22:34 < morfoh> or
22:35 < mnemoc> sheba needs target inherence
22:35 < morfoh> yes ... of course with a switched scripts dir
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22:51 < rxr> top - 22:50:06 up 20 days,  6:58,  3 users,  load average: 6.32, 5.19, 4.15
22:51 < rxr> oops
22:53 < morfoh> rxr: I guess this is one of mnemoc's "b*tches" ... ehhhrrm boxes :)
22:55 < rxr> nope - my home athlon
22:55 < rxr> but due to Linux the DVB-T stream is still smooth ,-)
22:55 < morfoh> haha ... ok. even better :)
22:56 < rxr> not like this mac osx where simple window moves can be jumpy or windows where nearly everything sux ...
22:59 < CIA-2> rene * r12490 /branches/2.1/scripts/config.in: * merged r11183: added some glue code to set the PARALLEL_MAX to "detected cpus" * 2
23:02 < mnemoc> :)
23:02 < morfoh> oh! :)
23:03 < rxr> ?
23:04 < morfoh> rxr: :) <-- smiley ?
23:05 < rxr> I was just wondering ,-)
23:05 < morfoh> :D
23:05 < rxr> ok - my modified 2.1 embeded hit 1-gcc - let's see
23:05 < rxr> debugging this without .de <-> .cl lag is a bit nicer ,-)
23:09 < mnemoc> what modification?
23:10 < morfoh> I guess changed to build 1-gcc 
23:11 < rxr> yep
23:11 < morfoh> but as we all know this is _no_ quiz show :p
23:11 < morfoh> :)
23:11 < rxr> !> /bin/sh ../../gcc/move-if-change tmp-attrtab.c insn-attr ..
23:11 < rxr> !> echo timestamp > s-attrtab
23:11 < rxr> !> rm gcc.pod
23:11 < rxr> ok - let's debut this
23:13 < rxr> mnemoc: Btw. I plan to deprecate the fl_wrapper in trunk as soon as I have too much time
23:13 < mnemoc> strace-like?
23:14 < rxr> I want to have this what was it? trackfs, that is strace based, alike that works with any binary
23:14 < rxr> though it might be a few per cent slower
23:14 < mnemoc> it would be nice to make it client/server via fifo
23:14 < rxr> but I prever accurate and not bothering about glibc vs. uclibc vs. dietlibc
23:14 < rxr> prefer even
23:14 < mnemoc> to process flist during build-time and not after
23:15 < mnemoc> ack
23:15 < rxr> e.g. right now my builds lose precision since module-init-tools are tatically linked for initrd and thus 3rd pary modules can run depmod whereever they like ...
23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: ?ck
23:15 < rxr> ack even
23:39 < rxr> cool - I start to get more clue from the gcc build machinery ...
23:39 < mnemoc> :D
23:39 < mnemoc> i knew this was easy to you :)
23:40 < rxr> mnemoc: it is not yet fixed - just more clue about some stuff I ever wondered about ,-)
23:41 < morfoh> :D
23:41 < morfoh> rxr: write a howto ... quickly :)
23:41 < rxr> develop/boehm-gc/pkg_gcc2_pre.conf
23:41 < rxr> guess we can rm those
23:41 < mnemoc> that only affected gcj iirc
23:42 < mnemoc> gcc2 :p
23:42 < mnemoc> yes
23:42 < mnemoc> rm
23:43 < CIA-2> rene * r12491 /trunk/package/develop/boehm-gc/ (pkg_gcc2_pre.conf pkg_gcc3_pre.conf): * removed boehm-gc/pkg_gcc{2,3}_pre.conf, packages do not exist ,-)
23:43 < mnemoc> no rename to gcc?
23:43 < rxr> hm
23:43 < rxr> damn this was too quick
23:43 < rxr> there is more stuff
23:43 < rxr> but heavily unsynced ...
23:43 < rxr> gcc3 and gcc33 ...
23:43 < rxr> .oO
23:46 < CIA-2> rene * r12492 /trunk/package/develop/boehm-gc/ (5 files): * partially reverted last rev. and moved boehm-gcc into one gcc package
23:47 < CIA-2> rene * r12493 /trunk/package/develop/boehm-gc/ (pkg_gcc3_pre.conf pkg_gcc_pre.conf): * more boehm-gc gccX -> gcc migration - most proably not finished - but at least a bit update ... ,-)
23:47 < mnemoc> ack
23:48 < rxr> oh my - my english - guess it is time for bed ...
23:48 < rxr> mnemoc: I try a rebuild
23:48 < rxr> dietlibc for ungood reasons let objc build
23:49 < rxr> let's see if native dietlibc gcc builds without objc enabled ...
23:49 < rxr> mnemoc: if it does not I most likely continue tomorrow
23:49 < _Ragnar_> re
23:49 < rxr> but I do finish this first - I promisse
23:49 < rxr> before any other stuff, but after sleeping that is ...
23:50 < morfoh> wb _Ragnar_ 
23:50 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll take your word
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