--- Log opened Tue Sep 20 00:00:03 2005 --- Day changed Tue Sep 20 2005 00:00 < _Lewellyn> :) even 00:00 < _Ragnar_> :D 00:01 < _Lewellyn> my coworkers are interested in migrating to t2 when there's a 64-bit release (for the same reasons i need 64-bitness, and i evangelize...), so i'm hoping that i can bring t2 a bit closer to an iso :) 00:02 < _Lewellyn> the only real thing missing from getting to an iso is a 64-bit boot disk, right? 00:03 < _Ragnar_> :) kewl 00:03 < _Ragnar_> yea 00:03 < _Ragnar_> and a lot of package-fixing 00:05 < _Lewellyn> ok. once a boot disk is made, how far behind is 64 vs 32? 00:05 < _Ragnar_> about 200 packages ;) 00:05 < _Lewellyn> i assume a goodly number of broken packages are broken for both, but it's not obvious :) 00:06 < _Ragnar_> probably 00:06 < _Lewellyn> also, how many of the packages you gave me are broken? :) 00:09 < mnemoc> on 2.1 just 8 of 1588 are broken for my p4 reference build 00:10 < _Ragnar_> broken = not compiling ... no packages get made for those 00:10 < _Ragnar_> there may be a few other packages that do compile but don't work, but we haven't seen many of those 00:12 < mnemoc> detecting failings on build time is far easier than detecting failings on runtime 00:12 < _Ragnar_> yea o_O 00:16 < _Lewellyn> :) 00:16 < _Lewellyn> that's what testers are for! :) 00:16 < _Ragnar_> but if we got the build time things fixed that would be a nice start! :) 00:17 * mnemoc is waiting for the merge list for amd64 at 2.1 00:17 < _Lewellyn> so ~200 broken on 64... out of ~1600... that's really not so bad... 00:17 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: do you have an auto-build thinger setup for 64-bit? 00:17 < _Ragnar_> O_O 00:18 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: grep my commit message for FPIC-QUIRK or x86_64 or 64bit ;) 00:18 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i have 3 build machines, all p4 00:18 < _Lewellyn> _Ragnar_: considering that it's been mostly you (iirc), you've done some great work :) 00:18 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: not em64t? 00:18 < mnemoc> p4 00:18 < _Lewellyn> i have a p4/em64t... :) 00:19 < mnemoc> :( 00:19 < mnemoc> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx pni monitor ds_cpl cid xtpr 00:19 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i *may* be able to donate a 64-bit box for testing... not sure where to host it though. 00:19 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: chile? ;) 00:19 < _Lewellyn> if you pay shipping... 00:20 < mnemoc> :( 00:20 < _Lewellyn> what are the est and cx16 flags? 00:20 < _Lewellyn> are those the ones that indicate 64-bitness? 00:21 < mnemoc> your cx doubles mine.... so i guess it's 64-bitness 00:21 < _Lewellyn> and lm is the other one i have 00:21 < _Lewellyn> i have cx8 and cx16 00:21 < _Lewellyn> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm pni monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr 00:22 < _Lewellyn> i'm not sure what cpu flags are what anymore :/ 00:22 < _Ragnar_> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow pni lahf_lm 00:22 < _Ragnar_> for mine 00:23 < _Lewellyn> hm. lm seems to be all we share that mnemoc doesn't have 00:24 < mnemoc> :'( 00:25 < _Lewellyn> but, seriously, i'd be interested in bootstrapping a 64-bit box for buildtesting 00:25 < _Ragnar_> :) 00:25 < mnemoc> HD swapping is the easier way i guess 00:26 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i can't swap discs on my workstation; i am my own mx in the office :( 00:26 < mnemoc> :( 00:26 < _Lewellyn> it sucks to have to schedule downtime for your desktop ;) 00:26 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: how broken is generic/minimal for amd64? 00:26 < _Ragnar_> yea o_o 00:27 < _Ragnar_> I never tried a minimal build 00:27 < _Lewellyn> but that's why i was thinking a cheap 64-bit box that could be tossed into a rack, headless. 00:27 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: what are you waiting for? ;) 00:28 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: currently running a full generic 00:28 < mnemoc> brb 00:28 < _Ragnar_> btw most recent kde update broke kde on 64bit for example 00:31 < _Ragnar_> most stuff is also from gcc4 00:34 < _Lewellyn> http://www.jncs.com/php/sys/index.php?id=bb-as-k8s-mx-c5-350 00:34 < _Lewellyn> i was thinking a system like that may make a decent box to throw in a rack to just continually build :) 00:35 < _Ragnar_> *grrr* why do ppl do this: 00:36 < _Ragnar_> return (jint) ((QPointArrayJBridge*) QtSupport::getQt(env, obj))->begin(); 00:38 < _Ragnar_> so stupid ;PPP 00:42 < _Lewellyn> why do people write qt code? wish i knew! ;) 00:42 < _Ragnar_> no, why do ppl try to point a pointer into an int? 00:43 < _Ragnar_> put* 00:43 < _Ragnar_> it's like they never really done any 64bit code at all ever it seems 00:43 < _Lewellyn> because they think ia32 is the only platform 00:44 * _Ragnar_ kicks kde developers 00:44 < _Lewellyn> "oh, ya, it won't compile on a g5 or a power4. oh well. no one uses those cpus anyway" 00:44 < _Ragnar_> ;P 00:45 < mnemoc> re 00:47 < _Lewellyn> re mnemoc 00:47 < _Lewellyn> i've got questions about mnemosyne 00:47 < mnemoc> quick 00:47 < _Lewellyn> mainly: what is its point? 00:48 < mnemoc> it's a modular target to build machines how i life them :p 00:48 < mnemoc> using 'target inherence' i can specialize it 00:49 < _Lewellyn> ok. you recommended it for my coworker who needs to build an asterisk server. how would that benefit me (without having to train him on making a target and such) for this purpose? 00:50 < mnemoc> building a mnemosyne is simple, just selecting 'features' on checkboxes 00:50 < mnemoc> and adding new modules is also simple, a pkgsel and an optional .conf to set config things 00:51 < _Lewellyn> but he needs a working t2 first, no? :) 00:51 < mnemoc> what do you mean? 00:51 < mnemoc> mnemosyne builds whereever t2 works 00:51 < _Lewellyn> can he just build a target from any old machine? 00:52 < _Ragnar_> somewhere you have to have a t2 build system 00:52 < _Lewellyn> _Ragnar_: that was what i thought 00:52 < mnemoc> where you can build a t2/desktop you can build a t2/mnemosyne 00:52 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: in this case, it would require him installing t2 in a vm. 00:53 < _Lewellyn> unfortunately, i don't think the gain is worthwhile for him (right now) :( 00:53 < CIA-9> chris * r12006 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/VOIP_PBX.ask: * added Asterisk VOIP-PSTN Gatway Support 00:53 < _Lewellyn> it may be soon, after i start migrating everyone over to t2, though :) 00:53 < _Lewellyn> :) 00:54 < _Lewellyn> so, the .ask does all the asterisk stuff? 00:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: on mnemosyne repository, not on the deprecated copy at t2's trunk! 00:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: it's just meant as example and it does no harm there ;) but thanks for the reminder :p 00:55 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: a .ask at mnemosyne is an pkgsel which is activated with a checkbox 00:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: :) 00:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: it worked ... it teased _Lewellyn :) 00:55 < _Lewellyn> svn is stable right now? 00:55 < mnemoc> :p 00:56 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: bah. 00:56 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: 2.1-stable is stable 00:56 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: :) 00:56 < _Lewellyn> ok. 00:56 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: trunk is unstable 00:57 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: btw, I can recommend mnemosyne server :) 00:57 < mnemoc> *g* 00:57 < _Lewellyn> by stable, i mean "in a useable state", btw :) 00:57 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: stabel = stable :) 00:57 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: by stable i mean _continues_ usable and safe state 00:57 < mnemoc> brb 00:57 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: it works like a bee :p 00:58 < _Lewellyn> ok. is trunk a recommended checkout? :) 00:58 < morfoh> nope 00:58 < _Lewellyn> i'm just trying to get the build environment atm 00:58 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1 00:58 < _Lewellyn> how do i use that with svn? 00:59 < _Lewellyn> ah 00:59 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: :) 00:59 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1 t2-stable 00:59 < _Lewellyn> ya 00:59 < _Lewellyn> thankee 00:59 < _Lewellyn> i'm still a cvs user. bear with me :) 01:00 < mnemoc> bbl 01:00 < morfoh> cu 01:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: push narce 01:01 < mnemoc> bye 01:01 < morfoh> ack 01:01 < _Lewellyn> i'll try to build him a mnemosyne target. thanks :) 01:04 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: hopefully it will suite :) 01:04 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: do you have detailed system requirements ? 01:07 < _Lewellyn> what do you mean by system requirements? 01:07 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: _Lewellyn and you should note, that mnemosyne is using runit -> http://smarden.org/runit/ as default init system! _No_ SysV! 01:07 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: but runit is very reliable 01:08 < _Lewellyn> i was simply informed that he needs an asterisk server. i downloaded rc3-minimal, and mnemoc said to look at mnemosyne :) 01:08 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: what the system has to do 01:08 < _Lewellyn> hm. how different is runit? 01:08 < _Lewellyn> apparently it will only be an asterisk server 01:09 < _Lewellyn> ah. daemontools-alike. that will go over well here. 01:09 < _Lewellyn> (not that i care for daemontools, myself...) 01:09 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes :) 01:09 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: daemontools-alike is very server friendly ;) 01:11 < _Lewellyn> because i agree with the concept does not mean i agree with the implementation :) 01:12 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: ack :) 01:12 < morfoh> take a look at this too http://smarden.org/ipsvd/ ;) 01:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: also core part of mnemosyne 01:13 < _Lewellyn> i saw that on http://www3.conosurseguros.cl/t2/Members/amery/targets/mnemosyne 01:14 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: good :) 01:14 < _Lewellyn> i can google; but that only takes me so far sometimes. especially when the project's still fledgling ;) 01:15 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: and I guess mnemoc also told you that there is already a mnemosyne -> mnemosyne2 migration 01:16 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: but don't fear to use it. it simply runs :) 01:17 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: and Asterisk support is a planned "feature" on my list anyway 01:19 < _Lewellyn> what, pray tell, is mnemosyne2? 01:20 < _Lewellyn> and the feature is implemented now? ;) 01:21 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: mnemosyne2 is working well, but asterisk isn't in yet ... but that's not a big issue regarding the pkgsel but functional testing is needed 01:23 < _Lewellyn> but it's "likely" to work? 01:23 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes 01:24 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: what type of database you want to use to authenticate users ? 01:26 < _Lewellyn> i have no clue. i know nothing about asterisk 01:26 < _Lewellyn> but if it's a database, we're prejudiced against mysql 01:27 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: if the database is running on the same host you can simply check MySQL support in mnemosyne 01:28 < _Lewellyn> i suppose it would be on the same host; but we're not fond of mysql in the least here. 01:28 * _Lewellyn is still waiting for t2-stable to check out :/ 01:29 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 01:31 < _Lewellyn> where can i do a svn co of mnemosyne? 01:33 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/ 01:34 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/ target/mnemosyne2 01:39 < _Lewellyn> heh. that was almost instant. still waiting for t2 :) 01:40 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: what are you talking about 'waiting' ? connection lag ? 01:41 < _Lewellyn> it's very slow. the mnemosyne2 just flew up the screen. 01:53 < _Lewellyn> yay. checked out revision 12006 01:54 < _Lewellyn> hm. should i have checked out mnemosyne2 into my build root? 01:56 < morfoh> yes 01:56 < _Lewellyn> bah. 02:06 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: == 09/20/05 01:55:02 =[5]=> Finished building package asterisk. <-- mnemosyne2 02:06 < _Lewellyn> yay :) 02:11 < _Lewellyn> i did my t2-stable co to the wrong place; waiting for it to move now. root can't get to that nfs mount :/ 02:17 < _Lewellyn> how do i choose mnemosyne2? 02:20 < _Lewellyn> oh. heh. doh. 02:21 < _Lewellyn> and is dietlibc or glibc recommended? 02:21 < morfoh> glibc is stable 02:21 < morfoh> dietlibc not yet 02:22 < morfoh> dietlibc is mostly interesting for small special targets 02:25 < _Lewellyn> ok. and is dropbear more/less secure/compatible? their site is useless :) 02:25 < _Lewellyn> and are posix acls recommended? the concept keeps making me smile, but is it worthwhile? 02:26 < _Lewellyn> hrm. ide support and kernel contexts support need help items too. :/ 02:26 < morfoh> IDS = Intrusion Detection 02:27 < _Lewellyn> yes. if i enable it, it will have an ids package installed (eg snort) 02:27 < _Lewellyn> or just support for one? 02:27 < morfoh> Kernel Context = Virual Server -> linux-vserver.org 02:27 < _Lewellyn> ok. don't need that 02:27 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: IDS support is just a HOST based IDS 02:28 < _Lewellyn> ah. perfect, then. 02:28 < _Lewellyn> something more like tripwire? 02:28 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes 02:28 < _Lewellyn> k 02:28 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: http://la-samhna.de/samhain/index.html <-- will go in there 02:29 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: Support for Prelude-IDS is also in there --> prelude-ids.org 02:30 < _Lewellyn> ok. and what is Network/Director? 02:31 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: IPVS = IP based Virtual Server i.e for clustering services 02:31 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: I think you don't need that on a common server 02:32 < _Lewellyn> nope 02:32 < _Lewellyn> and where do i choose asterisk? 02:32 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: moment pls ;) 02:33 < _Lewellyn> :) 02:34 < mnemoc> re 02:35 < mnemoc> asterisk is not yet part of mnemosyne, but it's very easy to add a module of it 02:35 < _Lewellyn> ah. he who knows all :) 02:35 < mnemoc> ? 02:35 < _Lewellyn> didn't morfoh check one in earlier? 02:36 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i assume that mnemosyne is your baby, so you'd be able to answer any questions i'm about to ask best :) 02:38 < mnemoc> # cat ../t2-trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/VOIP_PBX.ask 02:38 < mnemoc> #Description: VoiceOverIP-PBX/PSTN-Gateway 02:38 < mnemoc> X asterisk 02:38 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: svn up 02:38 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: it's added already 02:39 < mnemoc> morfoh: folder can have spaces 02:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: nope :p 02:39 < mnemoc> yes 02:40 < morfoh> nope :) 02:40 < morfoh> ok ... master 02:40 < mnemoc> # ls target/mnemosyne2/pkgsel/Desktop/Mail\ and\ Web/ 02:40 < mnemoc> Console.ask Mozilla.ask 02:40 < mnemoc> # ls target/mnemosyne2/pkgsel/Desktop/Office\ Suite/ 02:40 < mnemoc> gnomeoffice.ask ooo.ask 02:40 < mnemoc> yes 02:41 < mnemoc> folders _can_ have spaces 02:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: I knew before ... it was just my personal point of view :p 02:41 < CIA-9> chris * r12007 /branches/2.1/package/network/ser/ (. ser.conf ser.conf ser.desc ser.desc): * merged 10701,10702: added ser (0.9.3), fixed ser.conf 02:42 < mnemoc> morfoh: if you want it short, VoIP :) 02:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... that was my first choice but I thought that you would complain :) 02:43 < mnemoc> o.o 02:44 < _Lewellyn> i agree with morfoh :) 02:44 < _Lewellyn> (in regards to spaces) 02:45 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: thanks :) 02:45 < _Lewellyn> :) 02:46 < mnemoc> VoiceOverIP looks ugly 02:46 < morfoh> :) 02:47 < _Lewellyn> i agree with mnemoc on that... 02:47 < mnemoc> :) 02:47 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: thanks :| 02:48 < morfoh> seems that most tradeoff's are ugly :| 02:49 < CIA-9> chris * r12008 /trunk/package/network/ser/ser.desc: * updaded ser (0.9.3 -> 0.9.4) 02:52 < _Lewellyn> gar. why can't i find asterisk still? :( 02:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: I wanr to add "KDE Personal Infortmation Manager (kmail,korganize,...)" 02:52 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: svn up 02:52 < _Lewellyn> i did. 02:53 < morfoh> svn up target/mnemosyne2/ 02:53 < _Lewellyn> after this (yet another) svn up finishes 02:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: i would add that inside Mail and Web/ thingy 02:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: as part of a single kdefubar 02:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack 02:54 < _Lewellyn> there we go! 02:54 < _Lewellyn> so both are needed, i suppose. 02:54 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: nope ... just PBX 02:55 < _Lewellyn> even for connecting to other sip networks? 02:55 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: asterisk is talking sip too 02:55 < _Lewellyn> so what is sip server? 02:55 < mnemoc> why ser then? 02:55 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: but ser is more powerfull and stable in doing sip ;) 02:55 < _Lewellyn> i'm confused :( 02:56 < _Lewellyn> voip is a foreign land to me still. now i think it's a good thing i didn't just throw it at the coworker :) 02:56 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: ser is _SIP-only_ 02:57 < _Lewellyn> but if it does sip better, why not use that? 02:57 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: but asterisk has SIP support too ... but asteris is a monster ;) 02:57 < _Lewellyn> (for the sip part) 02:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: .choice? 02:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: na! dunno... because _Lewellyn is right SER and Asterisk can work on same box 02:58 < _Lewellyn> and asterisk is nowhere near the monster that our current pbx software is... 02:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: can != want 02:59 < mnemoc> morfoh: if you have a good 'use case' where both are desired on the same machine, .ask. if not .choice. 02:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... SIP -> PSTN gateway 03:00 < mnemoc> what about a forth option implying both? 03:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok 03:01 < mnemoc> named by the use case :) 03:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: no problem with that 03:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: usability fetish atm ? 03:02 < mnemoc> the optional tree can exploat if we don't minimize 03:02 < mnemoc> options* 03:02 < mnemoc> dah dah dah.... i need to sleep 03:03 < morfoh> what ? ... 03:03 < mnemoc> we have too many options 03:03 < mnemoc> we must keep the list short 03:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: I want to add Base/Networking/RADIUS.ask ? 03:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: don't beat me :) 03:04 < mnemoc> base?! 03:04 < morfoh> Client 03:05 < _Lewellyn> OK, what was the consensus, since i didn't follow all of that? 03:05 < mnemoc> no consensus 03:05 < _Lewellyn> i should only choose asterisk? there may be a reason for both? 03:05 < _Lewellyn> bah :/ 03:05 < _Lewellyn> i've got no clue what i'd google for :( 03:06 < mnemoc> morfoh: Base/Security/Authentication/ ? 03:06 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: what do you need? 03:06 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: if you want to have a SIP-only network with a connection to a PSTN 03:06 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: btw, what's your feeling on dropbear vs openssh 03:06 < _Lewellyn> i have no clue; i'm not the one with the sip specs 03:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: Base/Security/Authentication/ is ok too 03:07 < _Lewellyn> i'm building a disc so i don't have to show him how the configuration system works yet. 03:07 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: afaik dropbear lacks of _tools_ to generate keys, etc... 03:07 < _Lewellyn> no need for tools. just an sshd on that box 03:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: that's not right 03:07 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: dropbear 03:07 < _Lewellyn> k. good. thanks :) 03:07 < mnemoc> morfoh: then? 03:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: afaik there is support for key gen 03:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: good :) 03:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: If you have an OpenSSH-style private key ~/.ssh/id_rsa, you need to do: 03:11 < morfoh> dropbearconvert openssh dropbear ~/.ssh/id_rsa ~/.ssh/id_rsa.db 03:11 < morfoh> dbclient -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.db 03:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: If you want to get the public-key portion of a Dropbear private key, look at 03:12 < _Lewellyn> aha 03:12 < _Lewellyn> We are using both, SER and Asterisk, in heavy production enviroment. SER is the BEST SIP proxy that i found. But it is just sip proxy. It can serve a _LOT_ connections (10,000 users, 20 cals per second). Asterisk is more like telephone switch with lot of features, but far slower. 03:12 < _Lewellyn> One nice feature of SER is that users can set up their own SIP accounts using a web interface and not needing to edit *.conf files. 03:12 < _Lewellyn> sorry for that nasty copy/paste :/ 03:13 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: np ;) 03:13 < _Lewellyn> so, apparently, it is done. 03:13 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes ... but serweb isn't included yet 03:13 < _Lewellyn> google gave me a number of promising hits. 03:13 < _Lewellyn> i'll select both and let the guy dealing with it figure it out :) 03:13 < morfoh> :) 03:14 < _Lewellyn> i'm at the point where i'm more confused about it than when i started. and that's a feat. 03:14 < _Lewellyn> my only vested interest is so that it's easier to route my work phone extension to my gizmo sipphone :) 03:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: to continue ... 03:15 < morfoh> To run the server, you need to generate server keys, this is one-off: 03:15 < morfoh> ./dropbearkey -t rsa -f dropbear_rsa_host_key 03:15 < morfoh> ./dropbearkey -t dss -f dropbear_dss_host_key 03:15 < morfoh> :) 03:16 * _Lewellyn will need to remember to bookmark today's irc log :) 03:16 < mnemoc> hehe 03:16 < _Lewellyn> lots of *good* information has scrolled by today. :) 03:16 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: as almost every day ;) 03:17 < _Lewellyn> moreso today ;) 03:17 < _Lewellyn> today had the most complete set of instructions for installing the amd64 packages :) 03:17 < _Lewellyn> hm. what is udhcp? google gave me odd hits 03:17 * _Lewellyn wonders if he actually needs a dhcp client, anyway. prob not. n/m :) 03:18 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: a dhcp server/client i like 03:18 < _Lewellyn> ok. i'll play with it later. :) 03:18 < mnemoc> as you can notice, mnemosyne is minimalistic by rule 03:19 < _Lewellyn> yes. and i'm turing lots of stuff off and on :) 03:19 < _Lewellyn> hm. what gets installed that may need sasl? 03:19 < mnemoc> if sasl has not been forced, you don't need it 03:19 < _Lewellyn> and how come "console based mua/browser" are grouped? i would like just a browser in this case... 03:20 < _Lewellyn> ok. 03:20 < mnemoc> that is mutt, links and irssi :) 03:20 < _Lewellyn> bah. ok. ;) 03:20 < morfoh> for code monkeys :p 03:21 < mnemoc> but you can always use Config -> Expert -> pkgsel to remove or add something 03:21 < _Lewellyn> ya, trying not to. 03:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: what about Services/Communication instead of a dedicated dir for VOIP 03:28 < mnemoc> Services/Network/Communication ? 03:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: there we can place i.e. Instant Messaging and Fax Gateway 03:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... also ok 03:28 < mnemoc> morfoh: if it's a gateway or server, Services/ 03:29 < _Lewellyn> huh. fax gateway? :) 03:29 * mnemoc wonder if morfoh really need those or he is just teasing me 03:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: ? 03:30 < _Lewellyn> heh. 03:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: Services/Network/ for now i guess 03:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've to migrate a fax gw at work ;) 03:30 -!- root___ [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has joined #t2 03:30 < root___> hiiii 03:31 < mnemoc> morfoh: Services/Network/Communication looks fine to me 03:31 -!- root___ is now known as Jeffimix 03:31 < _Lewellyn> um. hi, root... 03:31 < Jeffimix> I need a wee bit of help 03:31 < Jeffimix> sorry 03:31 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: first, don't _ever_ irc as root 03:31 < Jeffimix> sssh epic is evil, I know 03:31 < Jeffimix> so like 03:31 < _Lewellyn> not unless you're telnetted straight to 6667, but then you'd not have joined as root 03:31 < Jeffimix> I have one lappy 03:32 < Jeffimix> and t2 is on it (am on it) ... the minimal template 03:32 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: :D 03:32 < Jeffimix> is there some kinda automated software installer I can get 03:32 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: Emerge-Pkg 03:32 < Jeffimix> I used wget/more to get lynx then thatto get epic.... 03:33 < Jeffimix> that's the problem, I lack the scripts.... 03:33 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: generic/minimal has svn, and everything you need to get a working copy of T2 03:33 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: then you can emerge the rest 03:33 < Jeffimix> k 03:34 < mnemoc> you also have t2-src, /usr/src/t2-src 03:34 < Jeffimix> would it be bad to say: how 03:34 < Jeffimix> k 03:34 < Jeffimix> so I can just compile that then like the distro compiling 03:34 < mnemoc> with an snapshot of the working copy used to make the thing you installed 03:35 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: yes 03:35 < Jeffimix> weird I just have the kernel patches there 03:36 < mnemoc> :( 03:36 < mnemoc> cat /etc/ROCK-VERSION ? 03:36 < Jeffimix> yeah it's very minimal 03:37 < Jeffimix> T2 SDE 2.1.0-rc3 (2005/09/18) 03:38 < Jeffimix> >_> 03:38 < mnemoc> oh, you are right.... no t2-src in there 03:38 < Jeffimix> <_< 03:38 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1 /usr/src/t2-stable 03:40 < Jeffimix> alright, then if I compile those sources I can use the /usr/src/scripts/Emerge-Pkg or whatever? 03:41 < Jeffimix> wget/more the nonbrowser... 03:42 < mnemoc> cd /usr/src/t2-stable; ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg 03:43 < Jeffimix> alright, and unlike the iso/distro making stuff, it will now install on the system itself? (just to be clear) 03:44 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: the idea is to build the distro there using Build-Target, and not Emerge-Pkg 03:44 < Jeffimix> cause if so I'll just emerge windowmaker or something zany like that to make the distro more complete.... 03:44 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg is just a last-chance-hack 03:44 < Jeffimix> ah, uhuh 03:45 < Jeffimix> okay, sorry, just to recap, what tools (if any) will do a sort of automated install of such as X11 on here... or will I just have to do it by hand to make it pretty 03:45 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: there is a template called minimal-xorg, feel free to revive it and send the patches :) 03:45 < Jeffimix> heh 03:45 < Jeffimix> yeah it said it was broken in the configuraton menu, so I went for all out minimal, I do want to end up with a graphical setup, but I don't want any bloat whatsoever, not one app I don't need/want 03:46 < mnemoc> it is broken, but shouldn't be hard to re-adjust the package selection 03:46 < Jeffimix> ah, alright, I might mess with that for you guys then 03:47 < mnemoc> :) 03:47 < Jeffimix> but seriously, yes or no, if I run Emerge-Pkg windowmaker (or similiar) it would be safe to go to init level 4 (atleast technically) 03:47 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: emerge xorg first 03:47 < Jeffimix> alright 03:48 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg has only one level of dependencies 'discovery' 03:48 < mnemoc> but it's anyway too agresive imo 03:48 < Jeffimix> run Config then Emerge.. 03:48 * Jeffimix runs 03:48 < Jeffimix> ah, ok 03:49 < Jeffimix> so it might download a bit of fluff then eh? ;) 03:49 < mnemoc> use -dryu-run the first time 03:49 < mnemoc> just to know what will happen 03:49 < mnemoc> -dry-run 03:50 < Jeffimix> linux-header gcc freetype xorg 03:50 < Jeffimix> (Packages to build:) 03:51 < Jeffimix> well that seems alright 03:51 < mnemoc> if you rebuild gcc, also rebuild libtool or you will have troubles 03:51 < Jeffimix> ok 03:52 < Jeffimix> I'll admit I'm not to knowledgeable on the bowels of compiling 03:52 < Jeffimix> 'll just emerge libtool shortly thereafter 03:53 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: clone minimal template and add there what a minimal-xorg should also have, and let t2 do the compiling 03:56 * Jeffimix watches the building 03:56 * Jeffimix watches his HDD led blink 03:56 < mnemoc> :) 03:56 < CIA-9> chris * r12009 /branches/2.1/package/network/radiusclient-ng/radiusclient-ng.desc: * merged 9990: updated radiusclient-ng (0.5.0 -> 0.5.1) 03:57 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 03:57 < Jeffimix> If I can coerce this into a minimal xorg setup, I'll look further into editing the templates et cetera, shame I don't have two PCs right now :/ 03:57 < Jeffimix> I'd love to help, but I'll admit I'm not a guru yet... 03:58 < mnemoc> you don't need to be a guru 03:58 < Jeffimix> heh 03:58 < mnemoc> :) 03:58 * Jeffimix idly wonders why dietlibc is on his computer at all 03:59 < Jeffimix> doesn't dietlibc only do static compiles, or is that microlibc 04:00 < mnemoc> you can build real machines using dietlibc instead of glibc 04:01 < mnemoc> but i don't have an answer why dietlibc is doing at generic/minimal 04:02 < Jeffimix> yeah, I'm fairly sure glibc is on here too 04:02 < Jeffimix> odd, but not too bad, dietlibc is pretty small 04:03 < Jeffimix> maybe it's just here because some people would choose to compile against it instead of glibc so it includes both 04:03 < mnemoc> no, the template was badly defined using repositories instead of packages. new packages on the repository get magicly inside, and packages moved away of the repository break the template 04:04 < mnemoc> as minimal-xorg and minimal-desktop 04:04 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.244.173] has joined #t2 04:05 < Jeffimix> oh ick, so instead of saying to include glibc, it actually gave an address? 04:06 < mnemoc> enabling base/* and removing what on that minute was not necesary 04:06 < Jeffimix> k 04:06 < mnemoc> bad habits some people had 04:06 < Jeffimix> ah, oh well 04:07 < Jeffimix> but base/* doesn't get new packages ;) 04:08 < mnemoc> it does 04:08 < Jeffimix> ;) I know 04:08 < mnemoc> :) 04:08 < Jeffimix> wow GCC takes for fricken ever to compile *growls* 04:08 < Jeffimix> and so will xorg 04:09 < mnemoc> OOo has the gold 04:09 < mnemoc> 7h 04:09 < mnemoc> on my p4/3.0 04:09 < Jeffimix> lol wow 04:09 < Jeffimix> I'm on a 1.6Ghz Mobile Sempron, wooo 04:09 < Jeffimix> and 512MB ram 04:09 < mnemoc> laptop = low I/O -> _ages_ 04:09 < Jeffimix> yep 04:09 < mnemoc> slow* 04:10 < Jeffimix> it's no speed daemon, but it's not really that bad 04:10 < mnemoc> :) 04:10 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep now, enjoy the build :) 04:10 < Jeffimix> the HDD is probly the slowest part 04:10 < Jeffimix> k 04:10 < Jeffimix> night night 04:11 < Jeffimix> I'll jst emerge libtool after that 04:11 < Jeffimix> then windowmaker after that 04:11 < mnemoc> :) 04:12 < mnemoc> gn8 * 04:13 < Jeffimix> night 04:14 -!- bfg [n=bfg@chello080109010143.16.14.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #t2 04:15 < Jeffimix> hello 04:35 * _Lewellyn wonders how long this build will take 04:38 < Jeffimix> long long time 04:38 < _Lewellyn> not likely :) 04:38 < Jeffimix> any other questions? ;) 04:38 < Jeffimix> what're ya building 04:38 < _Lewellyn> fast machine, special target :) 04:38 < Jeffimix> hmm 04:38 < Jeffimix> que es? 04:38 < _Lewellyn> i'm playing with mnemoc's mnemosyne2 target 04:38 < _Lewellyn> building an asterisk iso 04:38 < Jeffimix> erg, I got lost there, but ok, a special distro, what software has it 04:39 * Jeffimix is building xorg right now on his minimalist, I got epic/lynx up first though 04:42 < Jeffimix> like, what does mnemosyne2 do 04:42 < _Lewellyn> http://www3.conosurseguros.cl/t2/Members/amery/targets/mnemosyne 04:42 < _Lewellyn> that has some info 04:43 < _Lewellyn> i know there's probably a better description somewhere, but that should give an idea 04:43 < _Lewellyn> i'm creating a very specialized target with it 04:45 < Jeffimix> ah, okay, so it's a very stable/secure base that you make specialized targets with, cool 04:45 < Jeffimix> good luck! 04:51 < Jeffimix> woo oxorg is slow 04:51 < Jeffimix> how's you'rs going 05:00 < _Lewellyn> i'm on glibc. 05:00 < _Lewellyn> and i'm heading out 05:00 < _Lewellyn> night 05:01 < Jeffimix> k 05:01 < Jeffimix> night 05:02 < CIA-9> chris * r12010 /trunk/package/security/freeradius/ (. config.in freeradius.conf freeradius.desc): * added freeradius (1.0.5) 05:03 < morfoh> good night ... 05:04 < Jeffimix> weee 05:05 < _Lewellyn> hrm. i should enable more swap before taking off :/ 05:05 < _Lewellyn> or kill ff 05:05 < Jeffimix> kill firefox if you're running it and need ram 05:05 < Jeffimix> it takes swathes 05:06 < _Lewellyn> yes. moz is much more svelte, as ironic as that is 05:06 < Jeffimix> heh 05:06 < Jeffimix> seamonkey or whatever it is now 05:06 < _Lewellyn> i'm just getting to < 500mb free 05:06 < Jeffimix> ick 05:07 < Jeffimix> yeah I'm running lynx, Emerge-Pkg, and Epic5 so I don't think my ram's being too heavily hit 05:07 < Jeffimix> plus I got like 2 gigs swap 05:07 < Jeffimix> (512MB real) 05:09 < _Lewellyn> i've got 2gigs real, which helps some 05:10 < _Lewellyn> of course, i'm doing this while trying to work. 05:10 < Jeffimix> hahah yea 05:10 < _Lewellyn> with multiple browsers, full x, lots of remote apps, etc. 05:10 < Jeffimix> hey now, if I had xorg running I'd be doing that too 05:10 < Jeffimix> heh 05:10 < _Lewellyn> number of editors, et all. 05:10 < Jeffimix> epic and lynx are about as adanced as my PC hae atm 05:11 < Jeffimix> what editors do ya use 05:12 < _Lewellyn> vim 05:12 < _Lewellyn> custom compiled, a few kitchen sinks are in there. 05:12 < Jeffimix> hehe funfun 05:13 < Jeffimix> I always thought of emacs as the extensible one, what can you add to vi beyond some basic scripts? 05:14 < Jeffimix> okay, what the heck, Emerge-Pkg keeps saying that the previous GCC build was broken and keeps saying I'll need to compile it with whatever else I tell it to compile 05:14 < Jeffimix> any way to tell Emerge-Pkg to ignore a package? 05:15 < Jeffimix> well deps=none for now 05:17 < _Lewellyn> http://pastebin.ca/23399 05:17 < _Lewellyn> that's just my compilation options 05:18 < _Lewellyn> nevermind the boatload of scripts and plugins 05:18 < Jeffimix> k 05:18 < _Lewellyn> i have emacs users ask me if they know ways that they can get emacs to do what my vim does :) 05:18 < Jeffimix> ha nice 05:19 < Jeffimix> woah yeah that's a lot of stuff 05:19 < Jeffimix> okay dangit all 05:19 < _Lewellyn> gah. it'd be nice if swapon ever finished 05:19 < Jeffimix> that didn't actually put startx on my system, stupid gah 05:20 < Jeffimix> *sighs* 05:20 < Jeffimix> never used cscope whats it got 05:21 < _Lewellyn> iirc, it give me emacs-like stuff that i take for granted :) 05:21 < Jeffimix> haha 05:21 < _Lewellyn> i couldn't live without the +python, though 05:22 < Jeffimix> oh arg howto add /usr/bin/X11R6 to my path 05:22 < Jeffimix> yeah use python alot eh 05:22 < _Lewellyn> i use the athena gui because it launches faster than the gtk gui. that's the biggest difference that a normal user would see 05:22 < Jeffimix> heh 05:22 < _Lewellyn> i use python constantly 05:22 < Jeffimix> gtk/qt have led to so much bloat 05:23 < _Lewellyn> i really really try hard to not have any gnome/kde apps running. that just makes launching gtk/qt apps taken longer 05:24 < _Lewellyn> Mem: 2070980k total, 2019920k used, 51060k free, 51716k buffers 05:24 < _Lewellyn> Swap: 1996004k total, 120080k used, 1875924k free, 1479488k cached 05:24 < _Lewellyn> that's more like it :) 05:24 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: ayt? 05:25 < Jeffimix> he 05:25 < Jeffimix> okay... now really how do I add a folder to the path's for LIBS and another for the BIN 05:25 < Jeffimix> or some such 05:27 < Jeffimix> because right now X can't launch unless I do it 05:28 < _Lewellyn> don't worry; let the process continue naturally :) 05:28 < Jeffimix> :P 05:28 < Jeffimix> no I mean like it won't launch unless I add those oflders to my paths *sigh* 05:29 < _Lewellyn> that will happen when the correct time comes; do not worry :) 05:29 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: i was just wondering how many times glibc gets built :) 05:30 < Jeffimix> an infinite number of monkeys writing shakespeare 05:31 * _Lewellyn doubts that's the answer 05:31 -!- bfg [n=bfg@chello080109010143.16.14.univie.teleweb.at] has quit ["Verlassend"] 05:32 < _Lewellyn> aha. once more. 05:33 < Jeffimix> whoever designed emerge-pkg is gona get a beating if I meet em 05:33 < _Lewellyn> why is that? 05:34 < _Lewellyn> because it doesn't do post-install stuff before it's installed? :) 05:34 < Jeffimix> ;P it is installed tho 05:35 < _Lewellyn> it's all done and you got the prompt back? 05:35 < Jeffimix> yep 05:35 < _Lewellyn> and you logged in fresh afterward? 05:36 < Jeffimix> well 05:36 < Jeffimix> hum 05:36 < Jeffimix> no stl don't work 05:36 < _Lewellyn> what errors? 05:36 < _Lewellyn> gotta hurry. gonna be locked in work for the night if i'm not out soon. 05:36 < Jeffimix> hehe 05:36 < Jeffimix> no erros 05:37 < Jeffimix> just path broke-ass 05:38 < Jeffimix> and no .xinitrc et cetera 05:38 < Jeffimix> :/ 05:38 < _Lewellyn> you won't have a .xinitrc 05:39 < _Lewellyn> you'd have one under ...X11/xinit/ 05:39 < Jeffimix> yeah 05:39 < Jeffimix> but I mean, like, xorgconfig / file not found 05:39 < Jeffimix> et cetera 05:39 < _Lewellyn> do an updatedb and then 'locate xinitrc' 05:39 < Jeffimix> locate says it's all under /usr/X11R6 05:39 < _Lewellyn> dunno. i'm not on xorg yet 05:39 < Jeffimix> *sigh* 05:39 < _Lewellyn> did you update the database after installing? 05:40 < Jeffimix> yep updatedb 05:40 < Jeffimix> it's ther 05:40 < _Lewellyn> and it says you have an xinitrc? 05:40 < Jeffimix> hum 05:40 < _Lewellyn> what happens if you try to run startx? 05:40 < Jeffimix> well ther'es a couple xinit files 05:41 < _Lewellyn> $ locate xinitrc 05:41 < _Lewellyn> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc 05:41 < _Lewellyn> that's what i get with my old XF86 05:41 < Jeffimix> weird this time it loaded, just crashed cause of ... mouser 05:41 < Jeffimix> yeah I get that line too 05:41 < Jeffimix> this is weird 05:42 < Jeffimix> now it loads 05:42 < Jeffimix> *gives up* 05:42 < Jeffimix> don't worry baout it unless I'm complaining tomorrow 05:42 < Jeffimix> thanks though 05:42 < Jeffimix> you have a good night 05:44 < Jeffimix> ah it's that stupid devfs 05:47 < _Lewellyn> heh. ok. gone. 05:47 < Jeffimix> thanks, night 05:47 < _Lewellyn> mmhmm... 05:47 * _Lewellyn wonders if it's really going to compile both linux24 and 26, twice apiece... 05:47 < _Lewellyn> night 05:48 < Jeffimix> this is very beta software well, GL 05:53 < morfoh> nope 05:53 < Jeffimix> :P 05:55 < Jeffimix> haha it's wmaker! 05:56 < Jeffimix> holy crap 05:57 < Jeffimix> brb 05:57 -!- Jeffimix [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has quit ["ircII EPIC5-0.0.5 -- Are we there yet?"] 05:59 -!- Jeffimix [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has joined #t2 05:59 < Jeffimix> ok 05:59 < Jeffimix> so umm, how do I up the default init level to 4 06:00 < Jeffimix> I'm too used to slackware style stuff 06:00 < morfoh> run stone 06:00 < Jeffimix> or 5 I suppose heh 06:01 < Jeffimix> I guess Emerge-Pkg isn't that broke-ass, but it's gcc weirness must be stopped 06:10 < Jeffimix> thanks btw 06:10 < morfoh> no prob 06:12 < Jeffimix> it keeps claiming gcc was built wrong 06:19 < Jeffimix> anyhow, night night, ttyl 06:19 -!- Jeffimix [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has quit ["ircII EPIC5-0.0.5 -- Are we there yet?"] 06:59 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.244.173] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:27 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AFB6B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 07:42 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AF9AAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:09 -!- madtux [n=mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #t2 08:09 < madtux> hello. 08:48 < rxr> moin 08:48 < rxr> hi madtux 08:50 < madtux> hello Mr. Rebe 08:58 < rxr> holla miguel 08:58 < madtux> ;) 09:28 < valentin> moin 09:28 < madtux> hello valentin 09:32 < rxr> moin valentin 09:58 -!- madtux [n=mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:24 < rxr> cu later 10:33 < CIA-9> aldas * r12011 /trunk/package/e17/epsilon/epsilon.desc: * changed compile order, epsilon requires edje 11:06 < Baldzius> good morning :) 11:27 -!- morfoh_ [n=jeru@p54BEE4D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:42 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEE754.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:23 -!- morfoh_ [n=jeru@p54BEE4D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 12:38 < rxr> re 12:50 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.215.82.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 12:50 < sepp> hi 12:51 < rxr> hi sepp 12:51 < sepp> hi rxr 12:52 < CIA-9> sebastian * r12012 /trunk/package/multimedia/libmpeg3/ (4 files): * updated libmpeg3 (1.5.4 -> 1.6) 12:53 < CIA-9> sebastian * r12013 /trunk/package/multimedia/cinelerra/world.patch: * patched cinelerra to not rebuild every package in the world 12:54 < rxr> sepp: cool ,-! 12:55 < sepp> that is evil package it even builds a own ljpeg and ltiff 12:55 < sepp> and everything 12:56 < rxr> builds or built ? ,-) 12:57 < rxr> sepp: can you inject the upcate .cache file ? 12:58 < sepp> yes 12:58 < rxr> nice patch ,-) 12:58 < rxr> btw. I right now obfuscate my Athlon with a Apple Mighty Mouse 13:02 < CIA-9> sebastian * r12014 /trunk/package/multimedia/cinelerra/cinelerra.cache: * new cache file ... 13:02 < sepp> now the .cache has a lot of libs in it :) 13:05 < rxr> yep ,-) 13:05 < rxr> good work - thanks sepp 13:08 < rxr> Lexmark: Stand-alone-Fotodrucker mit eingebautem CD-Brenner 13:08 < rxr> ^- what the heck ... 13:08 < rxr> my oh my ... 13:48 < CIA-9> rene * r12015 /trunk/package/archiver/lxsplit/ (. lxsplit.conf lxsplit.desc): 13:48 < CIA-9> Leonel Ivan Saafigueroa : 13:48 < CIA-9> * added lxsplit (0.1.1) 14:11 [Users #t2] 14:11 [@vilkacis ] [ Baldzius] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 14:11 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-9 ] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp ] 14:11 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou] 14:11 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal] 14:11 < rxr> does anyone know why (at least in T2) it is not possible to install firefox / mozilla extension as normal user? 14:12 < rxr> installing them as root seems to place those into ~root/.mozilla/firefox/.... 14:12 < rxr> not available as user 14:12 < rxr> I wonder what hack we miss 14:30 < rxr> ~1~3~3~1~3~3~l 14:33 < rxr> ouhp 14:33 < sepp> ^- top secret code to launch nukes over the interweb? 14:33 < sepp> i installed 2 firefox extensions with an older version 14:34 < rxr> seems to be caused by the component registratoin we skip 14:46 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 14:47 < morfoh> hola companeros 14:49 < rxr> hi morfoh 14:50 < morfoh> hi rxr 14:59 < morfoh> rxr: did you downloaded t2-2.1.0-rc3-minimal-athlon-xp ? 14:59 < morfoh> rxr: desktop-athlon-xp is also ready for download 15:03 < rxr> morfoh: I wrote to you that I can not reach port 8000 from inside the TFH 15:03 < rxr> can you use the normal http port? or the https port ? 15:03 < morfoh> ic 15:05 < morfoh> rxr: will check if I can provide port 80 or 443 15:20 < valentin> re 15:25 < morfoh> wb valentin 15:29 < rxr> valentin: firefox extension thing is due out not run component registration during firefox/mozilla built 15:29 < rxr> accidently found that out ... 15:30 < morfoh> rxr: see http URL in query 15:30 < morfoh> rxr: this should work from within the TFH :p 15:31 < rxr> thanks 15:32 < morfoh> your welcome 15:32 < morfoh> you're 15:32 < morfoh> :) 15:37 < CIA-9> rene * r12016 /trunk/package/www/mozplugger/ (. mozplugger.cache mozplugger.conf mozplugger.desc): * added mozplugger (1.7.3) 15:42 < morfoh> rxr: but I guess you've to make the md5 sums again because I created them for every single file :| 15:43 < morfoh> rxr: sorry 15:50 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 15:50 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has quit [Client Quit] 15:52 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 15:53 < morfoh> rxr: don't forget to download desktop ... I also fixed the md5 ;) 15:54 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has quit [Client Quit] 15:55 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12017 /trunk/package/dictionary/aspell/aspell.conf: 15:55 < CIA-9> * fix "libtool: tag CXX unknown" by copying system libtool 15:55 < CIA-9> over generated libtool (and therefore link to libstdc++), 15:55 < CIA-9> should fix #88 IMO (but not tested) 16:12 < jsaw> re for a second... 16:13 < jsaw> rxr: many kde packages fail in the configure check "checking if UIC has KDE plugins available..." with "kdelibs must be installed first". This is due to a "grep klineedit" which would not fail if "grep KLineEdit" would be used, but I do not know if this is the right workaround 16:14 < morfoh> hi jsaw 16:14 < jsaw> rxr: I added <> to kde-conf.in 16:14 < jsaw> hi morfoh 16:16 < valentin> cu later 16:17 < morfoh> cu 16:18 < jsaw> morfoh: can you check r12017? 16:19 < morfoh> jsaw: what kind of check ? 16:19 < jsaw> building balsa or gnome-spell 16:19 < morfoh> jsaw: uuuuhhhh ... *yuck* ... ok I'll try ;) 16:20 < jsaw> you don't have to... 16:20 < jsaw> I was just asking :) 16:20 < jsaw> mnemoc's gonna try it later anyway for 2.1... 16:20 < morfoh> jsaw: yes ... I know. and I was just answering ;) 16:20 < jsaw> :) 16:21 < rxr> re 16:21 < jsaw> hi rxr 16:22 < rxr> jsaw: no ide about klineedit thing 16:23 < jsaw> I only tried building libkexif with the hook_add in kde-conf.in, and it works... 16:23 < rxr> does anyone know why mozilla/firefox do not search /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ? 16:23 < rxr> jsaw: if it builds, maybe just add the workaround ... 16:23 < rxr> (to trunk) 16:23 < rxr> I also finally fixed building samba support into kde ,-) 16:24 < jsaw> I'll re-try the other kde packages, then I'll commit 16:24 < morfoh> rxr: what was wrong with samba support within kde ? 16:25 < jsaw> cu later 16:25 < morfoh> rxr: jsaw cu :) 16:25 < morfoh> oops 16:25 < morfoh> rxr: /opt/firefox/lib/firefox-1.0.6/plugins/ <-- perhaps build time prefix issue ? 16:27 < rxr> morfoh: that would suck 16:29 < morfoh> rxr: ack .. but I wouldn't wondering myself in the case that it's true 16:29 < rxr> root@haudraufinix:/opt/firefox/lib/mozilla/plugins 16:29 < rxr> ^- is not used either 16:30 < morfoh> rxr: do you have sth. like a trunk ref build over there ? 16:30 < rxr> oehm - yes, but due to gcc-4.0 issues quite some errors left to fix 16:31 < morfoh> rxr: the you could try jsaw's r12017 and building balsa or gnome-spell afterwards ? ;) 16:31 < rxr> oehm - /me busy rigth now 16:32 < rxr> with archivista related t2 fixes and other archivsita custom hacks 16:32 < rxr> e.g. this firefox/mozilla crap hurts .. 16:32 < morfoh> rxr: and rc3 athlon-xp desktop is waiting for download to gsmp too ;) 16:32 < morfoh> sorry 16:32 < rxr> and I have to find a way to run this annoying component registration in a build 16:35 < morfoh> rxr: what transfer rates do you have from gsmp ? 16:38 < rxr> 2.53MM/s 16:38 < rxr> MB even 16:40 < rxr> 2.53M 16:40 < rxr> 2.64M 16:45 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.254.12.96] has joined #t2 16:45 < keinek> hi 16:46 < morfoh> hi keinek 16:48 < rxr> loca 16:53 < keinek> hi rxr 16:53 < keinek> Yiiiiiipy! lxsplit 16:54 < keinek> yes is compatible with windows program :) 16:57 < rxr> hi keinek 16:59 < rxr> # l */*/*.desc | wc -l 16:59 < rxr> 1838 17:14 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 17:14 < karasz> hello 17:18 < morfoh> hi karasz 17:19 < karasz> ho, ho long time no c morfoh 17:19 < karasz> wazup? 17:20 < morfoh> karasz: notting ;) 17:21 < karasz> busy? 17:22 < morfoh> karasz: yes ... a lot to do ... 17:23 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.6/20050716]"] 17:25 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 17:27 < morfoh> wb karasz :) 17:27 < karasz> :) 17:41 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178158161.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:41 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 RELEASED! | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:41 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Sat Sep 17 20:47:59 2005] 17:41 [Users #t2] 17:41 [@vilkacis ] [ Baldzius] [ keinek] [ mtr_] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin] 17:41 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ sepp ] 17:41 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ SerWou] 17:41 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 17:41 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 17:41 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:41 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 17:45 < mnemoc> moin 17:45 < valentin> moin mnemoc 17:46 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178154155.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:46 < mnemoc> moin valentin 17:51 < rxr_> hey mnemoc ! 17:51 -!- You're now known as rxr 17:52 < mnemoc> hi rene 17:52 < morfoh> moin mnemoc ! 18:04 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 18:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: your prayings were heard by the prelude team ... prelude 0.9.0 is officially released 18:11 < mnemoc> :D 18:14 < CIA-9> rene * r12018 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/.fluxbox/menu: 18:14 < CIA-9> * changed archivista to require authentication of the current user 18:14 < CIA-9> to start a Terminal 18:15 < CIA-9> rene * r12019 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/backup.sh: 18:15 < CIA-9> * do not include the scsi-rescan in the backup log, instead list the 18:15 < CIA-9> connected SCSI devices thereafter - in the archivista target 18:18 < CIA-9> rene * r12020 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/X11/xorg.conf.template: * disabled Virtual Terminal switching in the archivista target 18:20 < rxr> mnemoc: on the gsmp there are morfoh new ISOs for distribution 18:21 < morfoh> rxr: :) 18:22 * mnemoc logging in 18:25 < CIA-9> chris * r12021 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/ (libprelude.desc pkg_snort_pre.conf): * updated libprelude (0.9.0-rc15 -> 0.9.0) and flagged it "Stable" 18:26 < CIA-9> chris * r12022 /trunk/package/security/libpreludedb/libpreludedb.desc: * updated libpreludedb (0.9.0-rc13 -> 0.9.0) and flagged it "Stable" 18:27 < CIA-9> chris * r12023 /trunk/package/security/prelude-lml/prelude-lml.desc: * updated prelude-lml (0.9.0-rc6 -> 0.9.0) and flagged it "Stable" 18:28 < CIA-9> chris * r12024 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/prelude-manager.desc: * updated prelude-manager (0.9.0-rc8 -> 0.9.0) and flagged it "Stable" 18:29 < CIA-9> chris * r12025 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/prewikka.desc: * updated prewikka (0.9.0-rc11 -> 0.9.0) and flagged it "Stable" 18:34 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.254.12.96] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:35 < mnemoc> release.sh improved to support arches with '-', and morfoh ISOs injected around the tree 18:40 < mnemoc> morfoh: news about SCIFI thing? 18:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: already phoning regarding this topic 18:50 < rxr> SCIFI ? 18:53 < mnemoc> a client of morpho with a funny name 18:53 < morfoh> it's SCIEL ;) 18:53 < mnemoc> :) 18:53 < mnemoc> SCIFI 18:55 < mnemoc> jsaw: 2 18:55 < mnemoc> jsaw: 3 STABLE=../../stable 18:55 < mnemoc> 2 18:55 < mnemoc> 3 STABLE=../../stable 18:55 < mnemoc> jsaw: 12017 fix gnome-spell and balsa on 2.1 too 18:55 < mnemoc> err 18:56 < mnemoc> i want my mouse back!! 18:59 < rxr> hey! 18:59 < rxr> when a damned plane flies over this house my DVB-T streams is cut off .. 19:00 < mnemoc> sue them 19:00 < morfoh> rxr: you know my solution for low flying planes :p 19:03 < mnemoc> GNOME.minimal.choice is not enough to build gnumeric :( 19:04 < morfoh> .oO( freeradius is finaly working here authenticating against LDAP )o :) 19:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'd like to add sth. like Base/Security/encryption.ask for basic encryption stuff 19:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you think ? 19:05 < mnemoc> ok 19:08 < morfoh> ok ... going home ... cu later guys 19:08 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["leaving"] 19:24 < CIA-9> amery * r12026 /branches/2.1/package/dictionary/aspell/aspell.conf: * merged 12017 from trunk: fixed aspell by replacing it's own libtool by system's (close #88) 19:35 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 19:39 < rxr> I wonder if we should generally inject the system libtool into package builds 19:39 < rxr> I also added such code quite a few times in the last months ... 19:39 < rxr> e.g. especially for x86-64 biulds ... 19:39 < rxr> builds even 19:40 < _Ragnar_> might be of use, unless the package has a modified libtool 19:47 < rxr> yeah - could cause /a lot/ regressions 19:50 < rxr> BRL-CAD 7.6.0 19:50 -!- Jeffimix [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has joined #t2 19:51 < rxr> oh - we have that already ... 19:51 < Jeffimix> hello 19:51 < rxr> woa - t2 updates are faster than http://freshmaet.net announcements ,-)! 19:51 < Jeffimix> I don't seem to have my kernel build foler et cetera, is there any way to get that? (I need to compile the spca5xx module) 19:51 < Jeffimix> *folder 19:52 < rxr> RIAA Trying to Copy-Protect Radio <- oh my god 19:52 < _Ragnar_> another futile effort ... 19:53 < Jeffimix> now that they're pissing off everyone ^_^ 19:53 < Jeffimix> but really, I installed the t2-minimal that I made and it doesn't seem to have the sources of the kernel I am using, is there any way to get them (tried emerging linux26, no uck) 19:55 < rxr> deflate the vanilla kernel tree if you want to manually built kernel modules 19:55 < Jeffimix> like download it from kernel.org? okay, then should I ocmpile it too, or just use that folder / where is the 'build' folder 19:55 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: why do you want to build the kernel by hand? 19:56 < Jeffimix> no it's just the thing (spca5xx, a webcam driver) needs the current kernel's build folder, the info for building modules 19:57 < rxr> Jeffimix: we stoppped shipping the whole build folder 19:57 < mnemoc> option 1) extract your kernel copy at download/mirror/l/linux-foo.tar.bz2 19:57 < mnemoc> option 2) add webcam driver as a t2 package 19:58 < rxr> option 3) deplate the kernel - apply the few t2 patches, add -dist to the EXTRAVER and manual build the module 19:58 < Jeffimix> k 19:58 < Jeffimix> hum 19:58 < _Ragnar_> 'few' 19:58 < Jeffimix> ah I see the tar.bz2 in /download/mirror/l 19:58 < mnemoc> i prefer option 2 :) 19:59 < Jeffimix> ;P 19:59 < Jeffimix> well I can' very well add it if I can't build it, can I? 19:59 < Jeffimix> t 19:59 < Jeffimix> so I'll just tar xfj then bz2 file.... 19:59 < _Ragnar_> I just did an emerge and while it was building (and nearly finished) copied the source tree to /usr/src 19:59 < mnemoc> :) 20:00 < Jeffimix> huhm? 20:00 < Jeffimix> I figured out howto avoid recompiling GCC everytime I wanna build something, added it to the blacklist.... T2 is confusing me a bit 20:01 < Jeffimix> but yeah Emerge is very aggressive with req's 20:03 < mnemoc> dependencies are all posible depdencies, not the minimal set 20:03 < Jeffimix> yea itn eeds to learn to differentiate I guess 20:04 < _Ragnar_> it can't really, since that depends on your particular setup 20:04 < mnemoc> using a .cache reporting system, we can 'guess' what is the minimal set 20:05 < _Ragnar_> yea ok 20:05 < Jeffimix> well, like, it ould just require the minimum, but run the stock ./configure when it's compiling, so it'd still take advantage of oother libs 20:05 < rxr> gcc is already in the trunk's blacklist ... 20:05 < _Ragnar_> a nice graphical representation of the dependency tree in Config would be nice anyway ;) 20:05 < Jeffimix> don't look at me 20:05 < rxr> _Ragnar_: on my todo 20:05 < _Ragnar_> =) 20:05 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: trunk:HEAD != 2.1:HEAD 20:06 < Jeffimix> ah, k 20:06 < rxr> mnemoc: you should merge those Emerge changes soon ,-) 20:07 < Jeffimix> *sighs* I'm still lost, maybe I'll just compile myself a nice big 2.6.13 kernel and use it 20:07 < mnemoc> yes, i will 20:07 < mnemoc> but i never expected a gcc update on 2.1 branch 20:07 < rxr> hm - my athlon starts to feel slow - I fear my Turion sub-notebook is faster :-( 20:08 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: no, you can't 20:08 < Jeffimix> you're right 20:08 < Jeffimix> I'm just lost is all 20:08 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: 2.6.13 has devfs config removed 20:08 < Jeffimix> ah that would be bad 20:09 < Jeffimix> spca5xx just wants this stinking 'build' directory so it can run make modules for some reason (no rule to make target 'modules') 20:09 < sepp> does someone know a image magick like thing - but uhmm fast? 20:09 < Jeffimix> image magick ;) 20:09 * Jeffimix has no clue 20:10 < mnemoc> sepp: exactimage ;) 20:10 < sepp> in image magick there is a little man with pen and paper in it doing the work slowly 20:12 < sepp> hmm exactimage? 20:12 < Jeffimix> how would I so uhh, how do I add spca5xx as a package to t2? 20:13 * rxr off to susan - cu 20:13 < rxr> Jeffimix: take a look at the ipw2100 package 20:13 < rxr> (in package/network) 20:13 < rxr> ust this postlinux stuff to build it for any kernel build within that build 20:13 < rxr> cu soon 20:14 < mnemoc> ack, option 2 is the right way :) 20:14 < Jeffimix> P 20:14 < Jeffimix> well it's a weird package, no configuration file, just a Makefile 20:14 < mnemoc> sepp: a library rene is writing 20:15 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: no problem with that, take a look into any package having a postlinux.conf file 20:15 * Jeffimix looks 20:16 < Jeffimix> oh those messy SH scripts ;P 20:16 < mnemoc> messy?! 20:16 < mnemoc> messy are ebuilds 20:17 < Jeffimix> sadly I'm not sure what all the files do yet in T2 packages, so I see it, and I know it has to do with compiling, but, meh 20:18 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: how would you build that module have the kernel sources at /foo/bar ? 20:19 < Jeffimix> I never thought about it much, just run make ;) 20:20 < mnemoc> ehm 20:20 < Jeffimix> else # We were called from command line 20:20 < Jeffimix> KERNEL_VERSION = `uname -r` 20:20 < Jeffimix> KERNELDIR := /lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/build 20:20 < Jeffimix> PWD := $(shell pwd) 20:20 < Jeffimix> MODULE_INSTALLDIR = /lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/kernel/drivers/usb/media/ 20:21 < Jeffimix> $(MAKE) -C $(KERNELDIR) SUBDIRS=$(PWD) CC=$(CC) modules 20:21 < Jeffimix> mkdir -p $(MODULE_INSTALLDIR) 20:21 < Jeffimix> rm -f $(MODULE_INSTALLDIR)spca50x.ko 20:21 < Jeffimix> rm -f $(MODULE_INSTALLDIR)et61x.ko 20:21 < Jeffimix> install -c -m 0644 spca5xx.ko $(MODULE_INSTALLDIR) 20:21 < Jeffimix> /sbin/depmod -ae 20:22 < mnemoc> you have to replace KERNEL_VERSION KERNELDIR MODULE_INSTALLDIR and patch that depmod out 20:22 < Jeffimix> those are the important bits anyhow 20:22 < Jeffimix> from its makefile 20:22 < mnemoc> yes 20:22 < Jeffimix> doesn't T2 have depmod tho? 20:22 < mnemoc> svn cp package/network/ipw2100 package/graphic/spca5xx 20:23 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: we do depmod, but not that way, because we don't want to damage host machines 20:24 < Jeffimix> where's the svn repo? 20:25 < mnemoc> uhm? don't you have a copy of t2 tree? 20:25 < Jeffimix> ssh wait maybe I do 20:25 < Jeffimix> hehe 20:26 < Jeffimix> just got confused, was in the wrong directory 20:27 < Jeffimix> then I haveto rename everything to spca5xx.desc et cetera, and replace the content... 20:27 < mnemoc> yes 20:28 < mnemoc> .cache, .conf and .desc to new package name 20:28 < _Ragnar_> mmv 'ipw2100*' spca5xx\#1 20:28 < _Ragnar_> ;D 20:29 < mnemoc> for x in ipw2100.*; do mv $x spca5xx.{x#*.}; done 20:29 < mnemoc> for x in ipw2100.*; do mv $x spca5xx.${x#*.}; done 20:29 < _Ragnar_> *g* 20:29 < _Ragnar_> mmv is faster 20:29 < _Ragnar_> ;D 20:29 < mnemoc> :) 20:30 < Jeffimix> hmm 20:32 < mnemoc> ? 20:32 < Jeffimix> nothing just figuring this out 20:32 < mnemoc> pkg_linux26_post does the registration 20:33 < Jeffimix> huh? 20:33 < mnemoc> spca5xx.conf set the non generic things to build spca5xx userspace 20:33 < mnemoc> just custmain=true in your case 20:33 < mnemoc> space5xx.desc set version, download location, etc... 20:34 < mnemoc> once registred, linux26 will build your package using settings at postlinux.conf 20:34 < Jeffimix> ok 20:35 < mnemoc> you have to replace KERNEL_VERSION KERNELDIR MODULE_INSTALLDIR 20:35 < mnemoc> using var_append makeopt 20:35 < mnemoc> and var_append makeinstopt if your package does 'make install' 20:35 < Jeffimix> yeah it does 20:37 < mnemoc> makeinstopt="$makeopt install" <--- make install use the same arguments that make all but with a trailing 'install' 20:37 < mnemoc> from ipw2100's postlinux.conf 20:39 < Jeffimix> uhm de dum 20:39 < Jeffimix> var_append makeopt " " "KMISC=$moduledir/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/" 20:40 < Jeffimix> I need to change that to /usb/media right 20:40 < _Ragnar_> yea 20:40 < Jeffimix> I'm not sure what this does 20:40 < mnemoc> no 20:40 < Jeffimix> var_append makeopt " " "CONFIG_IPW2100_LEGACY_FW_LOAD=y" 20:40 < Jeffimix> hmm 20:41 < mnemoc> on MODULE_INSTALLDIR 20:41 < mnemoc> that's what your package use 20:41 < mnemoc> ignore that line 20:41 < mnemoc> to replace KERNEL_VERSION KERNELDIR MODULE_INSTALLDIR 20:41 < mnemoc> err 20:41 < mnemoc> you only need to replace KERNEL_VERSION KERNELDIR MODULE_INSTALLDIR 20:42 < Jeffimix> erm 20:42 < mnemoc> nothing about hostap or CONFIG_IPW2100_LEGACY_FW_LOAD for you 20:42 < Jeffimix> so I have to replace those pieces in spca's make file, and get rid of depmod somehow 20:42 < mnemoc> with a patch 20:43 < Jeffimix> sorry I'm just trying to change the files in the new folder I made from the ipw2100 thing 20:43 < mnemoc> cp Makefile Makefile.orig 20:43 < mnemoc> vi Makefile ..... remove depmod line 20:43 < mnemoc> diff -u ./Makefile.orirg ./Makefile > /foo/t2-root/package/graphics/yourthing/no_depmod.patch 20:44 < rxr> re 20:47 < Jeffimix> ok got it 20:48 < Jeffimix> then do I have to edit the .conf files in my new folder? 20:48 < mnemoc> uhm? 20:49 < mnemoc> that was what you have been modifying afaik 20:49 < Jeffimix> svn cp package/network/ipw2100 package/graphic/spca5xx 20:49 < Jeffimix> yeah 20:49 < Jeffimix> the nodepmod patch is in there, and I've modified the .desc and a bit of the postlinux.conf 20:49 < _Ragnar_> rxr: why you commit gplflash anyway? it doesn't even build ... 20:50 < Jeffimix> I just need to figure out what all the files in there do and change them I guess 20:50 < Jeffimix> heh I was gona download that, thanks 20:51 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: you have also replace nodepmod.patch because that one only applies to ipw2100, not spca5xx 20:51 < Jeffimix> yeah I made a no_depmod.patch so when I saw the other file I just mv'ed over it 20:52 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: and it eats all keyboard input on your browser if you use it 20:52 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: :) 20:52 < Jeffimix> right now (i got mv and used that) it looks like: . nodepmod.patch postlinux.conf spca5xx.conf .svn 20:52 < Jeffimix> .. pkg_linux26_post.conf spca5xx.cache spca5xx.desc 20:53 < Jeffimix> I got mmv rather 20:54 < Jeffimix> I just wish I had more of a clue of what a lot of these variables in the files did 20:54 < Jeffimix> like, spca5xx.conf only has one line in it, custmain=true, do I even need that 20:54 < mnemoc> what variable is not intuitive? 20:55 < mnemoc> custmain=true is there to tell T2 that your package doesn't do anything on userspace 20:55 < Jeffimix> alright 20:56 < mnemoc> custmain means "custom main function" 20:56 < Jeffimix> I edited pkg_linux26_post.conf to have var_append blabla "spca5xx" 20:56 < Jeffimix> ok, so main as in kernel 20:57 < Jeffimix> then the only bit that seems confusing is.... in the file postlinux.conf, I edited the moduledir, but I not sure what the next line is good for, should I just delete it? var_append makeopt " " "CONFIG_IPW2100_LEGACY_FW_LOAD=y" 21:00 < mnemoc> yes, delete it 21:00 < mnemoc> paste at..... http://42.vg or http://pastebin.ca what you have on postlinux.conf 21:02 < Jeffimix> k 21:03 < Jeffimix> http://pastebin.ca/23461 21:04 < mnemoc> remove the hostap related lines 21:04 < Jeffimix> alright 21:04 < Jeffimix> then the KVER stuff is kernel version et cetera 21:04 < Jeffimix> and should stay? 21:05 < mnemoc> yes, _but_ with the names i told you before 21:05 < mnemoc> KERNEL_VERSION KERNELDIR MODULE_INSTALLDIR 21:05 < mnemoc> MODULE_INSTALLDIR instead of KMISC 21:06 < mnemoc> KERNEL_VERSION instead of KVER 21:06 < mnemoc> and KERNELDIR instead of KSRC 21:07 < Jeffimix> okay, sorry 21:09 < Jeffimix> okay http://pastebin.ca/23462 has the new one now 21:09 < Jeffimix> hum, shouldn't var_append makeopt " " "CC=$KCC" read moe like GCC instead of KCC? 21:09 < Jeffimix> or is the KCC string the gcc version you compiled the kernel with 21:11 < Jeffimix> thanks for all the help BTW 21:11 < mnemoc> remove the two hostap lines on top 21:11 < Jeffimix> alright 21:12 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 21:12 * Jeffimix espies an babylon five fan 21:12 < _Ragnar_> ;D 21:12 < Jeffimix> and then that should be all the modificatons I need to make to the package? 21:15 < Jeffimix> argh, well, I gotta get to my last class of the day 21:15 < Jeffimix> I'll be back in 1.5~2 hours 21:15 < mnemoc> cu Jeffimix 21:15 < Jeffimix> I'll bug you more then, once it works here maybe I can submit it 21:16 < Jeffimix> thanks, bye 21:16 -!- Jeffimix [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has quit ["ircII EPIC5-0.0.5 -- Are we there yet?"] 21:16 < _Lewellyn> bah. apparently a few mins after i left, the build failed... 21:16 < _Lewellyn> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2005-09-19 21:33 ?)0?7?[?47h?[1;24r?[m?[4l?[?1h?=?[m?[?1h?=?[?1h?=?[m?[37m?[40m?[1;1H-?[6;1H.err 21:16 < _Lewellyn> wtf is that? i can also past the output on the build terminal 21:20 < mnemoc> i can't read what you pasted 21:20 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.215.82.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:20 < jsaw> re 21:20 < _Lewellyn> nor can i :( 21:24 < _Lewellyn> : integer expression expected 21:24 < _Lewellyn> Package build ended abnormally! | -1 | -2 ... | -8 | -9 ] \ 21:24 < _Lewellyn> !> Usually a package build creates either a *.log -chroot ] \ 21:24 < _Lewellyn> !> or a *.err file. Neither the 1st nor the 2nd isuto } ] \ 21:24 < _Lewellyn> !> there. So I'm going to create a *.err file nowupdate ] \ 21:24 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.204.6.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 21:24 < _Lewellyn> !> and abort the build process.refix ] [ -norebuild ] \ 21:24 < jsaw> dialog crash? 21:24 < _Lewellyn> root@tuffet:/usr/src/t2/t2-stable# 21:25 < _Lewellyn> that's what was on my screen 21:25 < _Lewellyn> i was running Build-Target 21:25 < _Lewellyn> other gibberish on-screen indicates it died on 298. lemme look. 21:26 < _Lewellyn> ah. hm. 21:28 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12027 /trunk/package/kde/kdelibs/kde-conf.in: 21:28 < CIA-9> * work-around some strange kdelib detection (some UIC test, 21:28 < CIA-9> where it is grepped for klineedit, but KLineEdit is actually 21:28 < CIA-9> there): sed -i "s/klineedit/KLineEdit/" configure ... works 21:28 < CIA-9> here (TM), but... 21:32 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12028 /trunk/package/kde/kdebase/khotkeys-fix.patch: * fix khotkeys/control/ui of kdebase 21:39 < rxr> hm - even prefix=/usr mozilla does not open lib/mozilla/plugins here ... 21:41 < jsaw> MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME 21:41 < rxr> jsaw: ? 21:41 < jsaw> $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/plugins 21:45 < _Lewellyn> wow. i think i borked it. 21:45 < _Lewellyn> i tried building again... 21:45 < _Lewellyn> touch: cannot touch `/usr/src/t2/t2-stable/build//var/adm/logs/0-00-dirtree.err': No such file or directory 21:45 < mnemoc> O.O 21:45 < _Lewellyn> where'd the target name go? 21:46 < _Lewellyn> or config name, rather 21:46 < mnemoc> your config file is broken 21:46 < jsaw> better umount all loops and rund fsck 21:46 < _Lewellyn> i have no loopback filesystems mounted. 21:47 < _Lewellyn> i have about 30 mounts on this system, but none loopback 21:47 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: your config is broken 21:47 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: how can i fix it? 21:47 < _Lewellyn> "reselect everything" :/ 21:47 < mnemoc> :( 21:48 < _Lewellyn> should i svn up mnemosyne2, btw? 21:51 < mnemoc> if you want 21:52 < mnemoc> i svn up by cron :p 21:54 < _Lewellyn> i wasn't going to hit the svn server unless there was a need (resource politeness), but if you svn up by cron... :) 21:54 < mnemoc> :) 21:55 < mnemoc> i'm not polite 21:57 < _Lewellyn> ah. you renamed VoiceOverIP ;) 21:57 < _Lewellyn> now i have to reconfigure :) 21:57 < mnemoc> i didn't 21:57 < _Lewellyn> btw, my config loaded fine with ./scripts/Config 21:57 < mnemoc> i'm fighting tsort 21:57 < _Lewellyn> huh. it's in Network/Communication now 22:02 < _Lewellyn> ok. it's building fine now from where it left off 22:08 < _Lewellyn> btw, 2 questions: what do the following 2 lines mean? 22:08 < _Lewellyn> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled. 22:08 < _Lewellyn> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 0.00% cache hits so far. 22:08 < mnemoc> the first is about make -j 22:08 < mnemoc> the scond about ccache 22:09 < _Lewellyn> ok. and it always reads 0.00%. is that abnormal? 22:10 < mnemoc> on the first builds there is nothing catched, or reusabled normaly 22:16 < karasz> Oracle sucks 22:17 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12029 /trunk/package/base/attr/attr.conf: * install the correct .la file instead of deleting it 22:17 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12030 /trunk/package/base/acl/acl.conf: * install the correct .la file instead of deleting it 22:18 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12031 /trunk/package/gnome2/nautilus-eiciel/ (. nautilus-eiciel.desc): * add acl editor for nautilus (0.8.2) 22:18 < mnemoc> jsaw: do we want .la files now? 22:18 < jsaw> we still have them... so 22:19 < mnemoc> jsaw: i thought they where libtool temporal stuff 22:19 < mnemoc> were* 22:19 < jsaw> no, not only temporary 22:20 < jsaw> but if they are used for something usefull... I don't know... 22:21 < _Ragnar_> they store library dependencies 22:22 < _Ragnar_> so libtool can link -lm -ldl -lpthread if it encounters libasound.la 22:23 < mnemoc> *hungry* 22:23 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEE4D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 22:23 < mnemoc> so they are a-good-thing-to-have? 22:23 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 22:24 < morfoh> hey companero :) 22:24 * morfoh is tired ... :\ 22:26 < _Ragnar_> yes they are (if the information in them is correct) 22:26 < morfoh> hi _Ragnar_ :) 22:28 < _Ragnar_> hey morfoh 22:29 < _Lewellyn> gah. it seems like gettext takes longer to compile than gcc :/ 22:29 < karasz> hi morfoh 22:29 < _Lewellyn> of course, it could be prejudice against gettext, on my part :) 22:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: hi _Lewellyn ... but your mnemosyne should be complete yet 22:30 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: yes, it should have been. but it died within minutes of me leaving last night 22:30 < _Lewellyn> so it's continuing now. 22:30 < morfoh> or is you workstation as slow as your connection ? :p 22:30 < _Lewellyn> no. gcc builds in < 8 mins. :) 22:31 < morfoh> :) 22:31 < _Lewellyn> i just wish compiling used more of my cpu :( 22:31 < _Lewellyn> Cpu0 : 6.6% us, 8.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 69.1% id, 12.3% wa, 3.7% hi, 0.0% si 22:31 < _Lewellyn> Cpu1 : 6.6% us, 11.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 71.1% id, 11.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si 22:32 < _Lewellyn> are there any options to change niceness or something? :) 22:34 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12032 /trunk/package/multimedia/gplflash/gplflash.desc: * [P] increment, build after ffmpeg 22:34 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: IO is a bigger problem than CPU 22:34 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes ... a shower and a hair brush :p 22:34 < _Lewellyn> i'm not seeming very io bound, iehter 22:34 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: BAH 22:34 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12033 /trunk/package/base/libtool/libtool.desc: * update libtool (1.5.18 -> 1.5.20) 22:34 < _Lewellyn> :) 22:35 < mnemoc> F* tsort! 22:35 < mnemoc> F* F* F* 22:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh .... what's up ? 22:35 < _Lewellyn> ya 22:35 < _Lewellyn> you using it or packaging it? 22:35 < _Ragnar_> bbl, lunch 22:35 < _Lewellyn> enjoy, _Ragnar_ 22:35 < morfoh> cu _Ragnar_ 22:36 < mnemoc> using it on mnemosyne.pl (modules engine) .... and does whatever it wants instead of what it should 22:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, what kind of encryption stuff do we need on memosyne2 from your point of view ? 22:37 < mnemoc> ssl :p 22:37 < morfoh> :D 22:38 < mnemoc> what do you need, and what do you suggest? 22:38 < morfoh> gpg and friends can be helpfull for desktops 22:38 < morfoh> mail encryption etc ... 22:39 < morfoh> prelude needs gnutls, opencdk and some gpg stuff too 22:39 < morfoh> samhain can use gpg too 22:41 < mnemoc> add them to the module which needs them 22:41 < mnemoc> no need to add a new module just to be a dependency 22:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... no problem 22:42 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: what SHOULD tsort do? the man page is nonexistant and the info page is pissing me off 22:43 < mnemoc> GPG is another thing.... i'm not sure what to do with it 22:43 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: sort tokens based on partial sorts 22:43 < mnemoc> a c 22:43 < mnemoc> b c 22:43 < mnemoc> can be: {a,b,c} or {b,a,c} 22:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: encrypting ? 22:43 < _Lewellyn> the info page makes it look like you have to sort it before tsorting it 22:44 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: uhm? 22:44 < mnemoc> morfoh: i guess we should add GPG by default on all our MUA modules 22:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... 22:45 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: we're trying to figure out how to use it here in the office 22:45 < _Lewellyn> we're convinced the author was stoned 22:45 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: :D 22:45 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: of course he was :p 22:47 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: this is what i'm tsorting http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/tsort.txt 22:47 < _Lewellyn> it looks like all of coreutils is kinda wonky... 22:47 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12034 /trunk/package/gnome2/pan/ (pan.desc stupid-gcc4-strictness.patch): 22:47 < CIA-9> * update pan (0.4.12 -> 0.4.12.91) and 22:47 < CIA-9> * add gcc4 fix 22:47 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: but the result doesn't make sense 22:51 < _Lewellyn> what output are you looking for? 22:53 < mnemoc> A B means 'i need to set A before setting B' 22:53 < mnemoc> APACHE, for example, should be after NETWORK and before PHP 22:54 < mnemoc> GTK needs X, and GNOME needs GTK 22:54 < mnemoc> so it should be X,GTK,GNOME 22:54 < _Lewellyn> APACHE was correct, here 22:55 < jsaw> all sorted correctly here... 22:55 < jsaw> (the examples you gave) 22:55 < mnemoc> :( 22:55 < _Lewellyn> same there, too 22:55 < mnemoc> so tsort hates _me_ 22:56 < mnemoc> i get random crap 22:56 < mnemoc> it even changes from call to call 22:56 < jsaw> tsort --version: 5.2.1 22:56 < _Lewellyn> tsort (coreutils) 5.0 22:56 < _Lewellyn> Written by Mark Kettenis. 22:57 < mnemoc> 5.2.1 here 22:57 < mnemoc> .oO 22:57 < jsaw> o_O 22:58 < jsaw> some optimization problem with gcc? 22:58 < mnemoc> normal T2 for p4 22:58 < jsaw> p1 here... 22:58 < mnemoc> :) 23:00 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 23:00 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:03 < _Lewellyn> oh. ccache is working now :) 23:03 < mnemoc> :) 23:03 < _Lewellyn> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 64.10% (250 hits, 140 misses) 23:08 -!- Jeffimix [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has joined #t2 23:08 < Jeffimix> hello everybody 23:08 < jsaw> hi Jeffimix 23:10 < Jeffimix> whats up 23:11 < jsaw> do { patching; fixing; compiling; } while (true); 23:12 < Jeffimix> hahaha 23:12 < jsaw> :) 23:12 < Jeffimix> I'm trying to make a package for my spca5xx 23:12 < Jeffimix> I think I have it all, I just hope it works 23:14 < jsaw> yeah, kdebase built 23:14 < Jeffimix> arg 23:14 < jsaw> ? 23:15 < jsaw> Jeffimix: if you need some more examples of additional kernel packages: echo package/*/*/postlinux.conf 23:16 < Jeffimix> k 23:16 < Jeffimix> hum 23:16 < jsaw> Otherwise you can also send what you have (to the ML) and ask for help ... 23:17 < jsaw> (including a description what fails...) 23:17 < Jeffimix> I think it couldn't find my package on any mirrors, heh 23:17 < Jeffimix> what do I use for something local then 23:18 < jsaw> from "scripts/Download --help": -alt-dir 23:19 < jsaw> but is "spca5xx" source code nowhere to be found? 23:19 < Jeffimix> well it's on the website, but not any mirros, cause of it not being a package yet 23:19 < Jeffimix> I think it's trying to look on the mirrors 23:19 < jsaw> Jeffimix: if not on mirror, Download tries to use the original location 23:19 < mnemoc> ? 23:20 < Jeffimix> hum de dum 23:20 < mnemoc> :) 23:20 < Jeffimix> k 23:20 < mnemoc> what [D] did you set on spca5xx.desc? 23:20 < _Lewellyn> hrm. is there a way to see what packages are to be built with Build-Target? 23:21 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: grep '^X' config/foo/packages 23:21 < Jeffimix> !> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR .. 23:21 < Jeffimix> !> [ writing debug log to /usr/src/t2-stable/src.spca5xx.default.20050 .. 23:21 < Jeffimix> !> File not found: download/mirror// 23:21 < Jeffimix> !> Did you run ./scripts/Download for this package? 23:21 < Jeffimix> !> Due to previous errors, no 9-spca5xx.log file! 23:21 < Jeffimix> !> (Try enabling xtrace in the config to track an error inside the bui .. 23:21 < Jeffimix> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-spca5xx.out -> 9-spca5xx.err 23:21 < Jeffimix> == 09/20/05 17:21:13 =[9]=> Aborted building package spca5xx. 23:21 < _Lewellyn> that will tell me when they'll be built, too? 23:21 < Jeffimix> oops, sorry 23:21 < _Lewellyn> aha 23:22 < _Lewellyn> thanks, mnemoc 23:22 < jsaw> Jeffimix: fix your "[D]" line... 23:22 < _Lewellyn> i knew there was a way i came across it last night, but couldn't remember for the life of me 23:22 < Jeffimix> [D] http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/spca5xx-20050906.tar.gz 23:22 < Jeffimix> seems to work in ffox anyhow 23:23 < mnemoc> that is bogus 23:23 < jsaw> [D] spca5xx-20050906.tar.gz http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/ 23:23 < mnemoc> no! 23:23 < mnemoc> checksum 23:23 < jsaw> grummel 23:23 < Jeffimix> hrm? 23:23 < jsaw> [D] 0 spca5xx-20050906.tar.gz http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/ 23:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: :D 23:23 < Jeffimix> is that how it should look? 23:23 < jsaw> yes, the last one 23:24 < Jeffimix> well it DLed now anyhow 23:25 < Jeffimix> yeah well Emerge didn't complain but I don't have the module anyhow, hum de dum *messes around* 23:26 < jsaw> you have to build the kernel I'm afraid... 23:26 < jsaw> no the package 23:26 < jsaw> s/no/not/ 23:26 < Jeffimix> so like emerge-pkg linux26 spca5xx 23:26 < jsaw> yep 23:26 < Jeffimix> and this'll actually work? ;) 23:26 < _Lewellyn> one way to know! ;) 23:27 < jsaw> depends... if your postlinux.conf is correct, then yes... 23:27 * Jeffimix tries it, call me in an hour, heh 23:27 < jsaw> :) 23:27 < Jeffimix> good thing I think I have the buggered cached 23:27 < jsaw> gotta leave 23:27 < Jeffimix> the last line in the linux26 thing is cute, Also downloading xorg 23:28 < Jeffimix> cya jsaw, thanks for the help 23:28 < jsaw> cu later 23:28 < _Lewellyn> adios jsaw 23:28 < Jeffimix> should that last line be there (I didn't think X had anything kernel side) 23:28 < Jeffimix> ack 23:29 < Jeffimix> == 09/20/05 17:28:27 =[9]=> Aborted building package linux26. 23:29 < Jeffimix> !> Makefile:488: .config: No such file or directory 23:29 < Jeffimix> !> Makefile:533: /usr/src/t2-stable/src.linux26.default.20050920.17272 .. 23:29 < Jeffimix> !> make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/t2-stable/src.linux26.de .. 23:30 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: publish your src.linux26.default.20050920.17272*/ERROR-LOG 23:31 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: DRM module comes with xorg afaik 23:31 < Jeffimix> k 23:32 < Jeffimix> it's kinda long, where should I paste it, pastebin? 23:33 < mnemoc> no paste, publish 23:33 < Jeffimix> this is probly a T2 error reporting thing isn't it 23:34 < Jeffimix> my website is down atm so I can't publish it there 23:34 < Jeffimix> hehe 23:34 < mnemoc> no... just a web or ftp place to download the file 23:34 < mnemoc> :( 23:34 < Jeffimix> I run it on this PC, heh 23:35 < Jeffimix> any Emergeable ftp servers? 23:35 < mnemoc> gatling, a web server 23:36 < mnemoc> uhm, not at 2.1 23:36 < Jeffimix> hmm? 23:36 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.254.12.96] has joined #t2 23:36 < keinek> hi 23:36 < mnemoc> hi keinek 23:36 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: http://42.vg/ 23:37 < mnemoc> uhm, no 23:38 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: paste the last 50 lines of the file 23:38 < _Lewellyn> hoi keinek 23:38 < Jeffimix> http://42.vg/79258 23:39 < mnemoc> wtf?! 23:39 < Jeffimix> que? 23:40 < mnemoc> arch=undef? 23:40 < Jeffimix> odd 23:40 * Jeffimix runs config again 23:40 < Jeffimix> ./scripts/Config: line 118: 25230 Segmentation fault (core dumped) "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle 23:41 < _Lewellyn> wonderful :) 23:41 < Jeffimix> I might've messed something up me thinks 23:41 < mnemoc> ack 23:41 < _Lewellyn> i don't feel so bad about borking mine now 23:41 < mnemoc> :) 23:41 < Jeffimix> lol 23:41 < _Lewellyn> though i'd love to know how the hell i pulled that off... 23:41 < Jeffimix> me too 23:41 < Jeffimix> but anyhow 23:42 < Jeffimix> do I just rm 0rf t2-stable after backing up the spca5xx folder? 23:42 < _Lewellyn> Jeffimix: what is $0? 23:42 < Jeffimix> rm -rf 23:42 < Jeffimix> oh that error message? 23:42 < Jeffimix> I have no lcue 23:42 < Jeffimix> clue 23:42 < _Lewellyn> i.e. what args are you passing? 23:42 < Jeffimix> I was just running ./scripts/Config 23:42 < _Lewellyn> no options? 23:43 < Jeffimix> nopers 23:43 < _Lewellyn> AHA! 23:43 < Jeffimix> lol 23:43 < Jeffimix> bstards 23:43 < _Lewellyn> http://t2-project.org/buildintro.html 23:43 < mnemoc> o.o 23:43 < _Lewellyn> read that :) 23:43 < Jeffimix> I think I printed it somewhere here 23:43 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: seems that Config needs more robustness... 23:43 < Jeffimix> should I say -cfg thispc? 23:43 < Jeffimix> or hwatever 23:44 < Jeffimix> *whatever 23:44 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: if omited 'default' is used 23:44 < Jeffimix> k 23:44 < Jeffimix> and default is borked eh 23:44 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: rm -rf config/default :p 23:45 < Jeffimix> ./scripts/Config 23:45 < Jeffimix> ./scripts/Config: line 118: 25996 Segmentation fault (core dumped) "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle 23:45 < mnemoc> -nobashmod 23:46 < Jeffimix> There we go 23:46 < Jeffimix> enough cajoling and I can get you to asolve my problems ;) 23:47 * _Lewellyn goes to look at what bashmod is 23:47 * Jeffimix tries again nad hopes it don't matter uch 23:47 < Jeffimix> much 23:47 < _Lewellyn> huh 23:47 < Jeffimix> nothing 23:48 < _Lewellyn> same error? 23:48 < Jeffimix> funky Emerge reran the script, and it crashed (again) but emerge went on 23:48 < Jeffimix> well with -nobashmod it work for me 23:48 < _Lewellyn> ah. 23:48 < mnemoc> uhm 23:48 < Jeffimix> I umm, kinda hope it didn't overwrite default 23:49 < Jeffimix> my skill with PCs is making them crash in new and unexpected ways 23:49 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: change Build-Tool to call Config with -nobashmod 23:50 < mnemoc> no idea how you broke your bash 23:50 < Jeffimix> exactly 23:51 < Jeffimix> so up at the top, should I change it to config=default -nobashmod ? 23:51 < _Lewellyn> perhaps rebuilding bash at some point would be wise :) 23:51 < Jeffimix> pah I will continue with my broke-ass one 23:51 < Jeffimix> ;) 23:52 < Jeffimix> *yawns* the kernel build hasn't borked yet this time, I guess it takes a couple minutes 23:52 < Jeffimix> I have all kinds of cute problems 23:53 < Jeffimix> I have ffox, can run it from xterm 'firefox' but in windowmaker, it complains couldn't run command 'exec firefox' 23:53 < _Ragnar_> re 23:54 < _Lewellyn> _Ragnar_: re. how was food? 23:54 < _Ragnar_> good ;) 23:54 < _Ragnar_> way too much tho O_O 23:55 < Jeffimix> and I need to look into adding a bunch of new folders to my path's.... stupid GnuStep, heh 23:55 < Jeffimix> something with export, but I can never remember the syntax 23:57 < _Lewellyn> no such thing as too much good food 23:57 < _Lewellyn> export PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH ;) 23:57 < Jeffimix> yeah that'll be good for all the apps 23:57 < _Lewellyn> or for true bourne goodness, you can split it into the components 23:58 < Jeffimix> GnuSTEP puts everything into new folder for some reason 23:58 < _Lewellyn> PATH=blah:$PATH; export PATH 23:58 < Jeffimix> s 23:58 < _Lewellyn> lame. 23:58 < Jeffimix> cd /usr 23:58 < Jeffimix> ls 23:58 < Jeffimix> err wrong window 23:58 < _Lewellyn> ls: Permission denied. 23:58 < _Ragnar_> O_O 23:59 < Jeffimix> anyhow, yeah, there's a GNUstep, System et cetera folders now 23:59 < Jeffimix> and in System is like, Tools, Applications, Library --- Log closed Wed Sep 21 00:00:09 2005