--- Log opened Mon Sep 12 00:00:30 2005 00:02 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@84.46.226.121] has joined #t2 00:02 < Baldzius> heh, i have my sound back :) 00:03 < jsaw> :) 00:04 < Baldzius> jsaw: one more, can you get booted into 2.6.13? 00:14 < sepp_> Baldzius: trunk? 00:15 < Baldzius> sepp_: yes 00:15 < sepp_> whats the size of your initrd-2.6.13-dist.img ? 00:16 < Baldzius> 697KB 00:16 < sepp_> hmm, what is the problem? 00:17 < Baldzius> i see that kernel sais smtg about inird ok 00:17 < Baldzius> and then can't open initial console 00:17 < Baldzius> and stops 00:17 < jsaw> oh my, still... 00:18 < jsaw> devfs -> udev transition... 00:18 < jsaw> bug rxr to correct this 00:19 < Baldzius> rxr sais everything works for him :) 00:19 < Baldzius> like hotplug++ :))) 00:19 < jsaw> I'm almost sure he didn't try a recent bootdisk... 00:19 < Baldzius> seems to me that system init script is not udev ready 00:19 < sepp_> hmm it works fine on my notebook 00:19 < sepp_> Baldzius: have you updated from a running 2.1? 00:19 < jsaw> sepp_: you have a new bootdisk ? 00:20 < jsaw> from trunk? 00:20 < sepp_> jsaw: no that was broken and i worked around 00:20 < Baldzius> sepp_: i've updated sysfiles to trunk's 00:20 < Baldzius> now rebuilding kernel again 00:21 < jsaw> it's exactly broken due to the missing /dev/console 00:21 < Baldzius> maybe i need more updating? 00:21 < jsaw> Baldzius: it's not kernel related 00:21 < jsaw> the initrd image is broken 00:21 < sepp_> jsaw: i unpacked the tar.bz2's and booted with the live cd ... 00:22 < Baldzius> jsaw: i know but maybe something has changed making initrd image :) 00:23 < Baldzius> and bootdisk really refuses to work for me 00:24 < sepp_> Baldzius: can you paste your grub/lilo {r,b}oot line? 00:25 < sepp_> whatever you use... 00:25 < Baldzius> min :) 00:27 < Baldzius> title=My T2 00:27 < Baldzius> root (hd0,9) 00:27 < Baldzius> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda10 00:27 < Baldzius> initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.13-dist.img 00:27 < Baldzius> could it be related to root=/dev/hda10 ? 00:28 < Baldzius> but my 2.1 rc1 minimal has: title=T2 00:28 < Baldzius> root (hd0,9) 00:28 < Baldzius> kernel /boot/vmlinuz_2.6.11.10-dist root=/dev/hda10 00:28 < Baldzius> and works 00:28 < sepp_> hmm you have 10 partitions? 00:29 < Baldzius> yes 00:29 < Baldzius> even more i think :) 00:29 < sepp_> no idea what is wrong - sorry 00:30 < valentin> gn8 00:30 < sepp_> good night valentin 00:31 < Baldzius> gn8 00:33 < sepp_> i installed a fresh gcc4-trunk on my notebook - without bootdisk 00:33 < sepp_> Baldzius: sorry i have no clue 00:34 < Baldzius> do you have /initrd ? 00:35 < sepp_> i have a initrd to setup udev etc 00:36 < Baldzius> hm, and what dmesg sais about initrd? 00:38 < sepp_> ? 00:40 < Baldzius> i don't know but maybe there is smthg in kernel log 00:40 < Baldzius> about initrd or linuxrc 00:40 < Baldzius> 've never used initrd before 00:41 < Baldzius> i have a feeling that i it doesn't starts linuxrc 00:41 < Baldzius> if i corectlly understood how initrd works 00:43 < sepp_> sorry i don't understand whats wrong on your side 00:44 < sepp_> maybe i am just too tired 00:45 < Baldzius> ok , never mind :) 00:46 < sepp_> good night all 00:47 < Baldzius> good night 02:52 -!- codetux [i=PloneIrc@escazu-a281.racsa.co.cr] has joined #t2 03:21 -!- codetux [i=PloneIrc@escazu-a281.racsa.co.cr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:54 -!- Netsplit adams.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jsaw, valentin, Baldzius 04:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Baldzius, jsaw, valentin 07:27 -!- SerWou2 [n=SerWou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 07:28 -!- SerWou2 [n=SerWou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:00 < rxr> re 08:33 < rxr> KDE to Migrate to bksys/SCons Build System 08:33 < CIA-9> rene * r11805 /trunk/package/security/gnutls/gnutls.desc: * updated gnutls (1.2.6 -> 1.2.7) 08:33 < CIA-9> rene * r11806 /trunk/package/kde/amarok/amarok.desc: * updated amarok (1.3 -> 1.3.1) 08:33 < CIA-9> rene * r11807 /trunk/package/scientific/wxmaxima/wxmaxima.desc: * updated wxmaxima (0.6.1 -> 0.6.2) 08:46 < CIA-9> rene * r11808 /trunk/package/security/openct/openct.desc: * updated openct (0.6.2 -> 0.6.6) 09:00 < CIA-9> rene * r11809 /trunk/package/games/nexuiz/nexuiz.desc: * updated nexuiz (1.1 -> 1.2.1) 09:04 < CIA-9> rene * r11810 /trunk/package/games/nexuiz/nexuiz.desc: * really updated nexuiz (1.2.1 -> 121) and do not use a sf.net mirror 09:23 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AF863A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 09:27 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AF8380.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:34 < CIA-9> gweis * r11811 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/rc.c: * fixed rc.c to install signal handlers for availabel signals only 09:56 < rxr> re 10:55 < CIA-9> rene * r11812 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: * more to ignore during Emerge-Pkg 10:58 < Baldzius> hi rxr 10:58 < Baldzius> if you haven't noticed we solved with jsaw that hotplug++ core dumping 10:58 < Baldzius> wih "hotplug++ -synth pci" 11:00 < rxr> I hope locally for you, and not comitted? 11:00 < rxr> since pci limits the scan to the pci subsystem only leaving out the other ones 11:01 < rxr> just hiding the core dump (most probably happening due to some file not available that hotplug++ expects to be around) 11:03 < Baldzius> no, didn't commit, jsaw said it is related bogus embedd c++ and that there should be new version soon 11:03 < Baldzius> that's it 11:04 < rxr> yeah - exactly 11:06 < Baldzius> one question left, is there mirror server around with rsync ? 11:06 < Baldzius> i want to sync all 2.2.0 packages 11:06 < rxr> well - the maste server (gsmp.tfh-berlin.de) currently has some problems 11:07 < Baldzius> i noticed 11:07 < Baldzius> but it has rsync service running? 11:09 < rxr> well - only outgoing, since the UNI firewall does not allow those ports ... .-( 11:11 < owl> moin 11:11 < Baldzius> hi owl 11:11 < owl> hi Baldzius 11:17 < CIA-9> rene * r11813 /trunk/package/games/nexuiz/nexuiz.conf: 11:17 < CIA-9> * adapted nexuiz.conf for latest release version and utilize new T2 11:17 < CIA-9> .zip extraction magic 11:18 < CIA-9> rene * r11814 /trunk/package/games/nexuiz/nexuiz.desc: * forgotten nexuiz checksum 12:27 < Baldzius> cp: cannot stat `/usr/embutils/sed': No such file or directory 12:27 < Baldzius> compiling 2.6.13 12:29 < Baldzius> i have embutils installed 12:44 < rxr> do you Build-Target or Build-Pkg / Emerge-Pkg ? 12:44 < Baldzius> Emerge-Pkg 12:48 < rxr> ah - yeah 12:49 < rxr> that is not embutils alone but minised missing ,-) 12:50 < Baldzius> : 12:50 < Baldzius> :) 12:50 < Baldzius> rebuilding 12:55 < rxr> you also should rebuild pdksh and disktype 12:55 < rxr> (on your 2.1 system with 2.2 style kernel) 12:55 < rxr> those are by default statically linked for embedding into the initrd 12:58 < Baldzius> rxr: i did 13:52 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BED005.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 13:53 < CIA-9> chris * r11815 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.0-rc14 -> 0.9.0-rc15) 14:00 -!- owl [n=owl@karnaya.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:03 < CIA-9> chris * r11816 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/strongswan.desc: * updated strongswan (2.5.0rc0 -> 2.5.2) 14:19 < valentin> hi 14:19 < rxr> hi 14:20 < valentin> rxr: does nexuiz run under ppc ? 14:23 < rxr> maybe 14:23 < rxr> I tested it weeks ago - but IIRC it was a bit slow 14:23 < rxr> but aside from that I think it work 14:23 < rxr> efd 14:23 < rxr> ed 14:23 < rxr> valentin: btw. I messed up our source projects a bit ... ,-) 14:23 < valentin> i feared that ... 14:24 < valentin> i'll take a look later 14:24 < rxr> it is not yet finished 14:24 < rxr> best take a look in some days .-) 14:24 < rxr> or when I ask you to migrate the dam auto-generated files stuff 14:26 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@84.46.226.121] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:46 < rxr> Lua 5.1 alpha (Development) 14:58 < rxr> valentin: are you in AH or home ? 15:01 < CIA-9> rene * r11817 /trunk/package/base/pcre/ (libtool-crap-workaround.patch pcre.desc): * updated pcre (6.3 -> 6.4) 15:11 < morfoh> hi valentin + rxr + * 15:11 < morfoh> rxr: you're inventing nice names for your patches ;) 15:13 < rxr> morfoh: that was not me 15:13 < rxr> morfoh: I deleted the patch jsaw added ... 15:13 < rxr> moin morfoh 15:14 < morfoh> rxr: ok ok :) moin moin ... :) 15:15 * rxr is not the only one naming patched after the level or brokenness they fix ... ,-) 15:15 < CIA-9> chris * r11818 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/strongswan.desc: * updated strongswan (2.5.2 -> 2.5.4) 15:19 < morfoh> rxr: good to know ;) 15:19 < rxr> ich kann das Format .png nicht lesen. 15:19 < rxr> K?nnen Sie mir bitte diese Datei als .jpg zusenden. 15:19 < rxr> ^- ... 15:19 < rxr> windows .... 15:21 < morfoh> rxr: no wonder ... we all know what the "P" ind PNG is for :p 15:29 < rxr> now - what for? 15:30 < rxr> btw. do you know people who pronounce "PNG" as "ping" ? 15:30 < morfoh> nope ... 15:32 < morfoh> rxr: I just meant, M$ doesn't like "portability" 15:34 < morfoh> rxr: but regarding "ping" ... once I meet a guy in a computer store who tried to "ping" a phone number ... some collegues played fool with him :) 15:35 < rxr> I know one calling PNG ping - and I find that rather strange 15:36 < CIA-9> chris * r11819 /trunk/package/network/nagios/nagios.desc: 15:36 < CIA-9> * updated nagios (1.2 -> 2.0b4) 15:36 < CIA-9> * changed [S] (Stable -> Beta) 16:17 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.218.177.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 16:32 < mnemoc> moin 16:34 < rxr> moin mnemoc ! 16:34 < mnemoc> moin rxr 16:41 -!- rxr_ [i=rene@e178134106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 16:41 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | BT http://torrent.t2-project.org/ 16:41 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Fri Sep 2 18:13:08 2005] 16:41 [Users #t2] 16:41 [@vilkacis] [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg_] [ sepp ] [ valentin] 16:41 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ] 16:41 [ bewtain ] [ lewellyn^] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly] 16:41 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 16:41 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 16:42 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 12 secs 16:42 < mnemoc> rxr: [10:41:22] uhm.... rxr: gsmp still down? 16:42 < mnemoc> rxr_ :p 16:43 < mnemoc> rxr_: btw, you forgot 'soundmodem' package from keinek 16:46 < rxr_> oeh 16:46 < rxr_> mnemoc: oh - I add 16:47 < rxr_> mnemoc: I have not yet been out to gsmp due to lack of time 16:48 < mnemoc> rxr_: ok ;) .... please add --delete-after to your rsync when you get there ;) 16:48 < mnemoc> rxr_: i renamed ppc750 to G3 for better user understanding 16:52 -!- rxr [i=rene@e178136014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:53 < rxr_> hm - I always named them that way 16:53 < rxr_> I see we change everything, from ISO names to the world ... 16:54 < mnemoc> i ofered ppc750 to three apple users, including sparc-kly :-). they didn't know what a ppc750 was 16:54 < rxr_> .oO(we need to hand out some CPU timeline books) 16:59 -!- You're now known as rxr 17:00 < rxr> mnemoc: my mac mini has a 2.1:HEAD build finished 17:01 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/ <--- stage-9 was built with an updated gcc 17:03 < CIA-9> amery * r11820 /trunk/scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch: * fixed Create-PkgUpdPatch to be less greedy, allowing $newver shorter than $newver without errors :) 17:05 < mnemoc> shorter than $oldver* :( 17:05 < rxr> mnemoc: the build doesn't look bad 17:05 < mnemoc> rxr: i had 8 errors, now i have 21. 17:06 < mnemoc> and 280 builds left 17:06 < rxr> oh 17:06 < rxr> overlooked the left 17:06 < rxr> then of course this is bad 17:06 < rxr> any change this is due to other changes ? 17:06 -!- sparc-kly|T2 [n=mubex@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 17:07 < mnemoc> rxr: not sure but stage-9 has every package available so it's like 'perfect priorization' 17:08 < rxr> ok (exact code) next gen Makefile* work begins to show some shape 17:08 < mnemoc> Makefile++ ? 17:08 < mnemoc> *g* 17:08 < rxr> I overhaul our former configure/shell and static Makefile stuff to be non recursive and having other advantages 17:09 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - no make rewrite - just a sane set of shell functions for a configure(.sh) (without ugly preproc) and static Makefiles (without even ugly preproc) 17:09 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk/configure 17:09 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/macosd/trunk/configure 17:10 < rxr> ^- how configure scripts look like 17:10 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk/gfx/Makefile 17:10 < mnemoc> exactautoconf :D 17:10 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk/utility/Makefile 17:10 < mnemoc> it's almost identical to djb's configure scripts 17:10 < rxr> how Makefiles look like 17:10 < rxr> oh - never saw those ... 17:11 < morfoh> rxr: so you're ideas are still proofed ;) 17:11 < morfoh> I mean ... proofed yet :p 17:13 < rxr> morfoh: haeh? 17:14 < morfoh> rxr: just ignore me ... I just wanted to say that "djb style" is proofed to be efficient and secure and ... bla blubs 17:14 < morfoh> :p 17:15 < rxr> ah 17:15 < morfoh> .oO( it seems to me that updating our snort package to recent 2.4.0 is a major issue )o. 17:16 < morfoh> lots of changes in there ... 17:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: when prelude will get into snort? 17:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: it *is* in 2.4.0 ;) 17:17 < mnemoc> :) 17:17 < morfoh> that's why I wnated to update 17:17 < morfoh> :) 17:17 < morfoh> and I've a lot's of new prelude "sensors" mostly ready for commit too 17:18 < mnemoc> good 17:20 < rxr> yeah - r12000 this week ... 17:21 < CIA-9> amery * r11821 /trunk/package/develop/mono/mono.desc: * updated mono (1.1.8.3 -> 1.1.9) 17:23 < CIA-9> amery * r11822 /trunk/package/develop/mod_mono/mod_mono.desc: * updated mod_mono (1.0.9 -> 1.1.9) 17:23 < CIA-9> amery * r11823 /trunk/package/develop/mono-xsp/mono-xsp.desc: * updated mono-xsp (1.0.9 -> 1.1.9) 17:38 -!- sparc-kly|T2 [n=mubex@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:46 -!- Administrator [n=Administ@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 17:47 -!- Administrator is now known as sparc-kly|w3k 17:47 < mnemoc> morfoh: on mnemosyne 0.2 i want a choice libc.{glibc,dietlibc}.choice then i need to know what rules from current .all files must go inside libc.glibc.choice and what inside libc.dietlibc.choice to build the different systems 17:48 < mnemoc> sparc-kly|w3k: no luck? 17:53 < sparc-kly|w3k> I cannot with the problem 17:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... what do you propose how we should proceed ? 17:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: what field? 17:55 < mnemoc> sparc-kly|w3k: i'm almost sure it's a netmask issue 17:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: libc.{glibc,dietlibc} 17:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: get mnemosyne2 first :) 17:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: roger that :) 17:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: create a libc.dietlibc.choice, and add there what dietlibc-only machines need, and move to libc.glibc.choice what they don't need 17:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok 17:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: btw, if you select boot/NO, linux26 and modutils is not built 17:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: to be used on vservers 17:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... I understood your note before ;) 17:58 < mnemoc> o.o 18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: Fetching external item into 'target/mnemosyne2' 18:02 < morfoh> svn: REPORT request failed on '/mnemosyne/!svn/bc/66/trunk' 18:02 < morfoh> svn: '/mnemosyne/!svn/bc/66/trunk' path not found 18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: hmmm ... what did I wrong ? 18:03 < mnemoc> oops 18:03 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/ 18:03 < mnemoc> each target has it's own tree on mnemosyne repo 18:04 < mnemoc> including sheba 18:04 < CIA-9> rene * r11824 /trunk/package/network/soundmodem/ (. soundmodem.desc): 18:04 < CIA-9> Leonel Ivan Saafigueroa : 18:04 < CIA-9> * added soundmodem (0.10) 18:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh! :) 18:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: now it works :) 18:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: fetching ... 18:07 < rxr> make -j 200 18:07 < rxr> ^- how I test my new Makefile system ,-) 18:08 * mnemoc wonders if packages not marked as NOPARALLEL would build with -j 200 18:09 < rxr> well - for many they got it right 18:09 < rxr> those with NOPARALLEL have grave violation in the way one should write Makefiles ... 18:10 < morfoh> mnemoc: mnemosyne2 "sorting" looks a bit cleaner :) 18:10 < rxr> oh - my old makefiles also have not been -j aware ... 18:10 < mnemoc> bad rxr 18:10 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess, all new changes should go into mnemosyne2 18:11 < mnemoc> of course 18:12 < rxr> ah - no sorry - old one work as well 18:13 < mnemoc> :) 18:14 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@xchangecenter.de] has joined #t2 18:18 -!- nzg_ [n=tschmidt@xchangecenter.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:18 < mnemoc> morfoh: oh, i forgot.... mnemosyne2 use pkgsel.in so you need to patch 2.1 to use it 18:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok! what do I have to patch ? or do you have a patch lingering around ? 18:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: 10691 18:21 < mnemoc> merge that 18:21 < mnemoc> i'll merge it to the branch after 2.1.0 18:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok 18:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: I created LIBC.dietlibc.choice but glibc is still selected 18:30 < mnemoc> glibc is default 18:30 < mnemoc> does it fail to change? 18:30 < morfoh> nope ... I changed to use dietlibc 18:31 < mnemoc> changed=UI or altered default? 18:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: I created dietlibc choice and selected it in the UI 18:33 < mnemoc> :) 18:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: http://www3.t2-project.org/Members/amery/targets/mnemosyne/modules 18:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: but where do you set the "default" libc ? 18:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: a sub-target can force that 18:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: default must be glibc 18:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: sorry ... I'm a bit confused ... do you mean a sub-modul ? 18:39 < mnemoc> sub-target, a target that extends the other 18:40 < mnemoc> on mnemosyne, set using Config UI 18:40 < mnemoc> sheba could set that by default 18:40 < mnemoc> forcing it 18:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I think I understand, but does it answer my question why glibc is selected ? 18:42 < mnemoc> you changed it on UI but it doesn't change? 18:42 < mnemoc> or you mean SDECFG_LIBC ? 18:42 < mnemoc> change SDECFG_LIBC on libc.conf 18:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: I changed to "dietlibc" and I've both selected ... dietlibc _and_ glibc 18:42 < mnemoc> - glibc on your module ;) 18:43 < mnemoc> uhm 18:43 < mnemoc> wait 18:43 < mnemoc> please commit your module to take a look 18:43 < morfoh> ok :) 18:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: sorry ... now I think I've confused you too :p 18:45 < mnemoc> yep 18:45 < mnemoc> our english sucks 18:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: yours :p 18:46 * morfoh hides 18:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ok ... mine too :) 18:46 < mnemoc> our failure comunicating now is a sign of our pathetic english level 18:49 < sepp> dobry den 18:50 < mnemoc> hi sepp 18:50 < morfoh> sepp: moin moin 18:50 < mnemoc> sepp: dobry den? 18:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: I cannot commit :/ 18:50 < sepp> mnemoc: russian for hello 18:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: do I have write access ? 18:50 < mnemoc> :) 18:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: rxr said yes 18:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: same login and password that on t2 18:51 < morfoh> sepp: but then I would write it "dobroy djen" 18:51 < mnemoc> i thought you have fogotton russian :) 18:51 < sepp> morfoh: hmm maybe 18:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... ideed ... but the basics things I've not forgotten 18:53 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11825 /trunk/package/archiver/cpio/cpio.desc: * changed cpio to build also in stage 3 to make 5-linux mkinitrd happy 18:54 < rxr> sepp: why not just move cpio priority before linux ... ? 18:54 < sepp> rxr: good question 18:54 < mnemoc> rene hate stages :p but ack in this case 18:58 < _Ragnar_> moin moin 18:58 < sepp> moin _Ragnar_ 18:58 < morfoh> moin _Ragnar_ 18:59 < sepp> do you prefer it to be before linux* ? 19:00 < mnemoc> sepp: you to avoid building it twice 19:00 < mnemoc> s/you/just/ 19:01 < sepp> ok 19:02 < sepp> it could be in stage 3 only :P 19:06 < sepp> hmm change it to whatever you want - it has to be there before 5-linux* for mkinitrd, i run away to buy some food ... 19:07 < rxr> sepp: hehe - cu 19:11 < CIA-9> rene * r11826 /trunk/package/powerpc/macosd/macosd.desc: * updated macosd (0.1.10 -> 0.2.0) 19:13 < rxr> ^- contains the new build system as tested to build this thing ... valentin 19:14 < morfoh> rxr: have you seen my query ? 19:15 < rxr> oehm 19:15 < rxr> no 19:15 < morfoh> rxr: I just asked you about changing my svn pw 19:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: send a new hash :) 19:16 < rxr> morfoh: I don't have a query from you - maybe this was during my reconnect ? 19:16 < morfoh> rxr: nope ... it was later 19:16 < rxr> hm 19:16 < rxr> strange 19:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: have you seen my answering on your query ? 19:17 < rxr> so - one project successfully conveted to non recursive build ... 19:17 < rxr> no 19:17 < rxr> 19:15 nothing here ... 19:17 < mnemoc> morfoh: i got no answer 19:17 < rxr> nothing new 19:17 < morfoh> perhaps I've a problem with irssi 19:17 < mnemoc> morfoh: you can't send private messages on freenode without registering 19:17 < rxr> mnemoc: ouh! - is that new ? 19:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: ah! ok ... they changed it 19:18 < rxr> 19:15 -!- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) 19:18 < rxr> oh 19:18 < mnemoc> about 2 weeks 19:18 < mnemoc> keepnick.pl is your friend :) 19:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: I just know beatnick :p 19:19 < rxr> bash: perl: command not found 19:20 < morfoh> mnemoc/rxr: and I'm wondering why you both don't answer 19:20 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/keepnick.pl 19:20 < mnemoc> rxr: to .irssi/scripts/ 19:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: and i was wondering why you always keep silence to queries 19:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: sh*t ... sorry 19:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: I was typing and typing ... and no response 19:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: so it doesn't only depend on our bad english :p 19:22 < mnemoc> :D 19:23 < morfoh> rxr: I'll send you the hash ... is SHA1 allowed ? 19:24 -!- sparc-kly|T2 [n=t2@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 19:35 < morfoh> rxr: you've got mail :) 19:58 -!- sparc-kly|w3k [n=Administ@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:21 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11827 /trunk/package/archiver/cpio/cpio.desc: * stage 5 - before linux 20:21 < sepp> :) 20:24 < rxr> re 20:31 < rxr> morfoh: any reason for your new password hash ? 20:34 < mnemoc> he forgot it :p 20:34 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I was hacked and someone got my pw :p 20:34 < mnemoc> then he can't commit to mnemosyne 20:34 < mnemoc> *G* 20:34 < rxr> hacked ? 20:34 < rxr> ouhm 20:34 < rxr> morfoh: injected 20:34 < rxr> please test 20:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... blaming me ... that's what you can do the best ... 20:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: *g* 20:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: zope? 20:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: go away 20:35 < rxr> morfoh: ? 20:35 < morfoh> :p 20:36 < rxr> morfoh: what was it? anything we should take care off ? 20:36 < morfoh> rxr: regarding the pw ? 20:37 < morfoh> rxr: there was no "external" problem 20:37 < morfoh> rxr: in that case mnemoc was right 20:37 -!- sparc-kly|T2 [n=t2@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:37 < morfoh> rxr: but anyway ... I can't commit to mnemosyne tree 20:37 -!- sparc-kly|T2 [n=t2@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 20:39 < rxr> oh - yeah 20:39 < rxr> test npw 20:39 < rxr> now even 20:40 < morfoh> ok! someone made some maize cobs I've to eliminate :) 20:40 < morfoh> rxr: works now :) 20:40 < morfoh> rxr: thanks :) 20:41 < morfoh> rxr: what was the problem sss 20:41 < morfoh> ? 20:41 < morfoh> brb 20:43 < rxr> morfoh: only injected the pass to t2 - forgot mnemosyne -) 20:44 < mnemoc> rxr: why not sharing users file? 20:45 < mnemoc> groups can be different anyway 20:47 < mnemoc> what's the way to add arguments for ld? 20:54 < rxr> ld ? 20:54 < rxr> you mean like LD_WRAPPER ? 20:54 < rxr> we miss that so far IIRC 20:54 < mnemoc> jsaw: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/patches/hlfs/svn/glibc-2.3.5-ssp-1.patch 20:55 < mnemoc> rxr: i need to pass -pie to ldd, can i do i via gcc? 20:56 < mnemoc> rxr: there are direct calls to ld? 20:56 < rxr> -Wl,-pie maybe ? 20:56 < mnemoc> thnkas :) 21:02 < rxr> does it work? was just typed from memory 21:02 < mnemoc> i haven't tryied :p 21:03 < mnemoc> i'm just trying to figure out how to add PIE option to t2 21:08 -!- SerWou [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:10 -!- SerWou [n=serwou@82.224.107.105] has joined #t2 21:11 < SerWou> good evening 21:12 < mnemoc> rxr: i guess this is a problem on our WRAPPERs thingy: " The fPIE flag can only be passed to executables, not libraries. " 21:12 < mnemoc> hi SerWou 21:14 < rxr> PIE? 21:14 < rxr> what should that do ? 21:14 < mnemoc> Position Independent Executables 21:14 < rxr> mnemoc: why do you want to pass that ? 21:14 < rxr> yeah - and ? 21:14 < mnemoc> a thing pax need 21:14 < mnemoc> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hlfs/view/unstable/glibc/chapter02/pie.html 21:15 < mnemoc> state-of-the-art security relay on that feature ;) 21:16 < rxr> I can implement conditional wrapper stuff tomorrow or so 21:17 < mnemoc> nice 21:17 < mnemoc> what about 2.1 fixes? 21:18 < mnemoc> and gsmp to update the last ISOs :'( 21:26 < rxr> yeah 21:27 < mnemoc> how evil is to patch gcc specs? 21:29 < rxr> evil 21:29 < mnemoc> ok :) 21:29 < rxr> we don't have the spec anymore I think - and 4.0 does not have them at all 21:30 < mnemoc> i'll wait for your conditional wrapping before continue so 21:33 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.22] has joined #t2 21:33 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.102] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:34 < menomc> :( 21:37 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 21:41 < rxr> Apache 2.1.7 (Development) 21:42 < morfoh> re 21:45 < mnemoc> morfoh: irc server up? ;) 21:45 < morfoh> no! but stomach filled :) 21:46 < mnemoc> :) 21:46 < mnemoc> zope next? 21:47 < morfoh> next I want to inject the small syne2 changes I did so far 21:49 < mnemoc> good 21:55 < mnemoc> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled. 21:55 < mnemoc> ccache: option requires an argument -- M 21:55 < mnemoc> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 0.00% cache hits so far. 21:55 < mnemoc> .oO 21:56 < sepp> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (109 hits, 0 misses) 21:57 < sepp> :) 21:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: changes committed 21:57 < morfoh> btw, is CIA watching also mnemosyne2 ? 22:00 < mnemoc> nope 22:00 < mnemoc> we have to wait for t2-powered for that 22:00 < mnemoc> which i would like running on a sheba server 22:05 -!- sparc-kly|T2 [n=t2@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:06 -!- sparc-kly|T2 [n=t2@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 22:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh! today I was thinking again about how to solve the request distribution between vservers most effeciently 22:14 < mnemoc> request distribution? 22:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... in a virtual hosting environment 22:18 * mnemoc doesn't understand :\ 22:18 < mnemoc> how to 'install' new vservers? 22:19 < mnemoc> templates? 22:19 < _Ragnar_> that's a good idea ;D 22:19 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: ? 22:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess we should use templates ... yep 22:20 < mnemoc> or cow 22:21 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: you have a vserver system, and want to update all vservers for example ... how you do that? 22:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps it could be interesting to use sth. like unionfs 22:22 < mnemoc> yes, unionfs is a good way to do COW 22:22 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: do you use vserveR? 22:23 < _Ragnar_> not yet 22:23 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: yes ... atm. I've to update every single vserver on my productive systems one its own 22:23 < morfoh> but that's crap ... and every context is wasting some disk space too 22:24 < mnemoc> normally they are tried as standalone machines and backup/install 22:24 < mnemoc> but there are many 'unification' methods to save space 22:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep 22:24 < mnemoc> unionfs can help (and harm) massive updates 22:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: but sometimes you don't want to update a particular vserver 22:27 < _Ragnar_> that's why cow would be nice 22:28 < mnemoc> until you update bdb 22:28 < mnemoc> and all vservers die 22:28 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr* 22:28 < _Ragnar_> don't have to remove the old version on upgrade 22:29 < mnemoc> unionfs is the best choice for cow imho 22:31 < mnemoc> what i do need is a good in-vserver runit support :) 22:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep ... I've tested runit in vserver on friday ;) 22:34 < mnemoc> supervising from inside or outside? 22:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: from inside 22:35 < mnemoc> i was thinking in 'nested' supervision 22:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: so you want to supervise it from outside ? or what ? 22:37 * rxr soon into bed 22:37 < mnemoc> supervise from outside a runsvdir inside 22:38 < mnemoc> hoping runsvctrl d /service/server-20 shutdown the machine :D 22:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: but why ? you can initialy start the vserver from outside using runit and the rest is done from inside 22:39 < morfoh> sleep well rxr 22:39 < mnemoc> in that way noone supervise vserver's runit 22:39 < mnemoc> cu rxr 22:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: hmmm ? I just thought to have the vservers as independly as possible that a 3rd. person could restart it's "own" vserver 22:47 < mnemoc> uhm... yes 22:47 < mnemoc> i tend to forget '3rd. persons' 22:48 < rxr> n8 all 22:48 < rxr> cu then 22:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: :) 22:48 < morfoh> good night rxr 22:48 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 22:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, what is your intended way to exclude some pkgsel's for a specific libc ? 22:51 < mnemoc> dependencies ;) 22:51 < mnemoc> LIBC!='foo' 22:51 < valentin> re 22:51 < mnemoc> wb valentin 22:51 < morfoh> hi valentin 22:51 < valentin> hi mnemoc, morfoh 22:52 < valentin> oh - i am 3 minutes too late 22:52 < morfoh> valentin: at least if you wanted to say good night to rene 22:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: is LIBC!='foo' implemented yet ? 22:55 < mnemoc> of course 22:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm sorry :) 22:55 < mnemoc> grep pkgsel/ ;) 22:55 < mnemoc> that's how i hide e.g. gnome stuff 22:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: let me see what evil things you've done there :p 23:01 < mnemoc> i hope you can use mnemosyne as abstract target which much hackery now 23:01 < mnemoc> s/which/without/ 23:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: it looks promising :) 23:02 < mnemoc> .oO( i need to take control over my fingers )o 23:03 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@84.46.226.121] has joined #t2 23:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... regain control :) 23:03 < Baldzius> hello :) 23:03 < mnemoc> hi Baldzius 23:03 < morfoh> "moin" Baldzius :) 23:03 < Baldzius> :) 23:04 < morfoh> Baldzius: so what your grandma cooked today ? :) 23:04 < Baldzius> hehehe 23:04 < Baldzius> morfoh: don't remember 23:04 < morfoh> brb 23:04 < Baldzius> all day worked on pam and su issue :) 23:17 < mnemoc> morfoh: i would like to change IDS modules to name features and not packages 23:17 < mnemoc> Baldzius: much joy? 23:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... what about changing Prelude-IDS support -> Hybrid IDS framework ? 23:20 < mnemoc> whatever you want 23:21 < mnemoc> just avoid 'branding' 23:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: why ? 23:21 < mnemoc> mnemosyne IDS simply has what we choose for IDS 23:21 < mnemoc> and we want have two flavors 23:21 < mnemoc> wont* 23:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: if I take look at "Web Server" I'd like to choose from different servers too 23:22 < mnemoc> others can be pkgsel 23:22 < mnemoc> few dependencies 23:23 < mnemoc> over Apache we will auto-add mod_perl,mod_python,.... 23:23 < mnemoc> so Web Server as choice will add difficulties 23:24 < mnemoc> you are talking about gatling right? 23:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep ... or about lighttpd if you want to have a small PHP capable web server 23:25 < mnemoc> .oO 23:25 < mnemoc> i would do that directly on sub-target 23:25 < mnemoc> to not bloat mnemosyne.... but... i'm not really sure 23:26 < mnemoc> do you select only one between {none,apache,gatling,lighttpd} ? 23:26 < morfoh> mnemoc: I think so 23:26 < mnemoc> on a real production system (or vserver) 23:27 < mnemoc> uhm.... then it could be a choice 23:27 < mnemoc> on IDS, do you have something else than prelude in mind? 23:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: i.e. I don't have think about building apache using dietlibc atm 23:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps BRO IDS ... but BRO is a different thing anyway and could be used as a prelude sensor 23:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: at least for me prelude is somewhat unique atm 23:29 < mnemoc> lets marry it 23:30 < morfoh> and prelude support just means have libprelude available 23:30 < morfoh> to have 23:31 < mnemoc> to be used by prelude stuff? 23:31 < mnemoc> #Forced: PRELUDE=1 ? 23:32 < morfoh> not just by prelude stuff ... also by third party modules like snort 23:32 < mnemoc> what about libprelude on IDS.ask ? 23:32 < morfoh> remember ... if we have libprelude available we enable prelude support in snort automagically 23:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: but you can use snort also without prelude 23:33 < valentin> cu tomorow... 23:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: but we can decide to just enable snort with prelude support ;) 23:33 < morfoh> valentin: cu 23:33 < mnemoc> then move snort outside IDS 23:34 < mnemoc> cu valentin 23:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: but this makes no sense to me 23:34 < mnemoc> so, our snort is prelude-only :) 23:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: nope ... our snort is prelude-aware :) 23:35 < mnemoc> T2's snort is prelude-aware 23:35 < mnemoc> but mnemosyne's, prelude-only 23:35 < morfoh> ok ok ... pedantic master :p 23:36 < mnemoc> do you want to have a non-prelude snort on any of your servers? 23:36 < mnemoc> i don't want mnemosyne as a 'meta-distribution', just an abstract distribution 23:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: now you wanna catch me :) 23:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: of course I want to have prelude support available in snort mostly :) 23:38 < mnemoc> mostly? 23:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ok ... in 99.9999999% 23:39 < mnemoc> and do you want IDS without snort? 23:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... if it's just a Host IDS 23:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: isn't it possible to have an IDS.ask and a HYBRID_IDS.ask ? 23:41 < mnemoc> of course it's posible 23:41 < mnemoc> and you also can define #Variable: inside .ask file 23:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: using it for what ? 23:41 < mnemoc> inside of making ugly filenames 23:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you mean ? :\ 23:44 < mnemoc> HYBRID_IDS.ask 23:44 < mnemoc> vs. prelude.ask 23:45 < mnemoc> what about: IDS.{hostonly,manager,hybrid}.choice ? 23:45 < mnemoc> or you see bloat for any mnemosyne/IDS installation? 23:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: I think it's not practical because in some cases I'd like to have "Host Sensors" with prelude support 23:46 < mnemoc> IDS.{none,hostonly,sensor,manager,full}.choice ? 23:47 < morfoh> libprelude is just a library which enables sensors to communicate with central prelude managers 23:48 < mnemoc> there are machines with: no IDS (bad, but ok) 23:48 < mnemoc> hostonly 23:48 < mnemoc> host and sensors 23:48 < mnemoc> host and manager 23:48 < mnemoc> host and sensor and manager ? 23:49 < mnemoc> tell me other good convination 23:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: this sounds good to me but we've to add a management console too ;) 23:49 < mnemoc> host and manager 23:49 < mnemoc> all machines monitors at least theirselves 23:49 < morfoh> it's not mandantory that he manager=the management console 23:50 < morfoh> in most enviroments they have to be seperated anyway 23:51 < mnemoc> [ ] IDS Management Console 23:51 < mnemoc> (....) IDS level 23:52 < mnemoc> {none,host,sensor,manager,...} ? 23:52 < mnemoc> asumming sensor imply host, and manager imply host 23:52 < mnemoc> do you want sensor + manager? a name for that? 23:52 < morfoh> hmmm ? let me think about it ... 23:53 < mnemoc> i want to minimize the amount a modules to make the 'use cases' 23:53 < morfoh> yes ... I know 23:54 < mnemoc> package selection vs. feature selection 23:54 -!- _Lewellyn [n=mjl@199.233.135.193] has joined #t2 23:54 < _Lewellyn> hoi hoi 23:54 < morfoh> but then we should use also sth. like database.ask 23:54 < mnemoc> hi _Lewellyn 23:54 < morfoh> hey _Lewellyn 23:54 < mnemoc> uhm? 23:55 < _Lewellyn> has anyone made 64-bit desktop build of 2.1 yet? 23:55 < mnemoc> we (on mnemosyne) support two databases, which can cohexist. postgresl and mysql 23:55 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: ragnar has been playing with that 23:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: because in the case of prelude-manager I would imply DATABASE 23:55 < _Lewellyn> i thought someone had... 23:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: what is database there? 23:56 < _Lewellyn> any idea on the status? i'd like to just upgrade to that and play with the vmware 5.5 beta under it :) 23:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: it stores the events in a database 23:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: so it can force postgresql 23:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: but it can also be used with mysql 23:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: build time or configuration time decition? person could enable Data Base/MySQL by hand 23:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: build *and* configuration time issue 23:59 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Tue Sep 13 00:00:12 2005