--- Log opened Mon Sep 12 00:00:30 2005
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00:02 < Baldzius> heh, i have my sound back :)
00:03 < jsaw> :)
00:04 < Baldzius> jsaw: one more, can you get booted into 2.6.13?
00:14 < sepp_> Baldzius: trunk?
00:15 < Baldzius> sepp_: yes
00:15 < sepp_> whats the size of your initrd-2.6.13-dist.img ?
00:16 < Baldzius> 697KB
00:16 < sepp_> hmm, what is the problem?
00:17 < Baldzius> i see that kernel sais smtg about inird ok
00:17 < Baldzius> and then can't open initial console
00:17 < Baldzius> and stops
00:17 < jsaw> oh my, still...
00:18 < jsaw> devfs -> udev transition...
00:18 < jsaw> bug rxr to correct this
00:19 < Baldzius> rxr sais everything works for him :)
00:19 < Baldzius> like hotplug++ :)))
00:19 < jsaw> I'm almost sure he didn't try a recent bootdisk...
00:19 < Baldzius> seems to me that system init script is not udev ready
00:19 < sepp_> hmm it works fine on my notebook
00:19 < sepp_> Baldzius: have you updated from a running 2.1?
00:19 < jsaw> sepp_: you have a new bootdisk ?
00:20 < jsaw> from trunk?
00:20 < sepp_> jsaw: no that was broken and i worked around
00:20 < Baldzius> sepp_: i've updated sysfiles to trunk's
00:20 < Baldzius> now rebuilding kernel again
00:21 < jsaw> it's exactly broken due to the missing /dev/console
00:21 < Baldzius> maybe i need more updating?
00:21 < jsaw> Baldzius: it's not kernel related
00:21 < jsaw> the initrd image is broken
00:21 < sepp_> jsaw: i unpacked the tar.bz2's and booted with the live cd ...
00:22 < Baldzius> jsaw: i know but maybe something has changed making initrd image :)
00:23 < Baldzius> and bootdisk really refuses to work for me
00:24 < sepp_> Baldzius: can you paste your grub/lilo {r,b}oot line?
00:25 < sepp_> whatever you use...
00:25 < Baldzius> min :)
00:27 < Baldzius> title=My T2
00:27 < Baldzius> root (hd0,9)
00:27 < Baldzius> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda10
00:27 < Baldzius> initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.13-dist.img
00:27 < Baldzius> could it be related to root=/dev/hda10 ?
00:28 < Baldzius> but my 2.1 rc1 minimal has: title=T2
00:28 < Baldzius> root (hd0,9)
00:28 < Baldzius> kernel /boot/vmlinuz_2.6.11.10-dist root=/dev/hda10
00:28 < Baldzius> and works
00:28 < sepp_> hmm you have 10 partitions?
00:29 < Baldzius> yes
00:29 < Baldzius> even more i think :)
00:29 < sepp_> no idea what is wrong - sorry
00:30 < valentin> gn8
00:30 < sepp_> good night valentin
00:31 < Baldzius> gn8
00:33 < sepp_> i installed a fresh gcc4-trunk on my notebook - without bootdisk
00:33 < sepp_> Baldzius: sorry i have no clue
00:34 < Baldzius> do you have /initrd ?
00:35 < sepp_> i have a initrd to setup udev etc
00:36 < Baldzius> hm, and what dmesg sais about initrd?
00:38 < sepp_> ?
00:40 < Baldzius> i don't know but maybe there is smthg in kernel log
00:40 < Baldzius> about initrd or linuxrc
00:40 < Baldzius> 've never used initrd before
00:41 < Baldzius> i have a feeling that i it doesn't starts linuxrc
00:41 < Baldzius> if i corectlly understood how initrd works
00:43 < sepp_> sorry i don't understand whats wrong on your side
00:44 < sepp_> maybe i am just too tired
00:45 < Baldzius> ok , never mind :)
00:46 < sepp_> good night all
00:47 < Baldzius> good night
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08:00 < rxr> re
08:33 < rxr> KDE to Migrate to bksys/SCons Build System
08:33 < CIA-9> rene * r11805 /trunk/package/security/gnutls/gnutls.desc: * updated gnutls (1.2.6 -> 1.2.7)
08:33 < CIA-9> rene * r11806 /trunk/package/kde/amarok/amarok.desc: * updated amarok (1.3 -> 1.3.1)
08:33 < CIA-9> rene * r11807 /trunk/package/scientific/wxmaxima/wxmaxima.desc: * updated wxmaxima (0.6.1 -> 0.6.2)
08:46 < CIA-9> rene * r11808 /trunk/package/security/openct/openct.desc: * updated openct (0.6.2 -> 0.6.6)
09:00 < CIA-9> rene * r11809 /trunk/package/games/nexuiz/nexuiz.desc: * updated nexuiz (1.1 -> 1.2.1)
09:04 < CIA-9> rene * r11810 /trunk/package/games/nexuiz/nexuiz.desc: * really updated nexuiz (1.2.1 -> 121) and do not use a sf.net mirror
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09:34 < CIA-9> gweis * r11811 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/rc.c: * fixed rc.c to install signal handlers for availabel signals only
09:56 < rxr> re
10:55 < CIA-9> rene * r11812 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: * more to ignore during Emerge-Pkg
10:58 < Baldzius> hi rxr
10:58 < Baldzius> if you haven't noticed we solved with jsaw that hotplug++ core dumping
10:58 < Baldzius> wih "hotplug++ -synth pci"
11:00 < rxr> I hope locally for you, and not comitted?
11:00 < rxr> since pci limits the scan to the pci subsystem only leaving out the other ones
11:01 < rxr> just hiding the core dump (most probably happening due to some file not available that hotplug++ expects to be around)
11:03 < Baldzius> no, didn't commit, jsaw said it is related bogus embedd c++ and that there should be new version soon
11:03 < Baldzius> that's it
11:04 < rxr> yeah - exactly
11:06 < Baldzius> one question left, is there mirror server around with rsync ?
11:06 < Baldzius> i want to sync all 2.2.0 packages
11:06 < rxr> well - the maste server (gsmp.tfh-berlin.de) currently has some problems
11:07 < Baldzius> i noticed
11:07 < Baldzius> but it has rsync service running?
11:09 < rxr> well - only outgoing, since the UNI firewall does not allow those ports ... .-(
11:11 < owl> moin
11:11 < Baldzius> hi owl
11:11 < owl> hi Baldzius
11:17 < CIA-9> rene * r11813 /trunk/package/games/nexuiz/nexuiz.conf:
11:17 < CIA-9> * adapted nexuiz.conf for latest release version and utilize new T2
11:17 < CIA-9> .zip extraction magic
11:18 < CIA-9> rene * r11814 /trunk/package/games/nexuiz/nexuiz.desc: * forgotten nexuiz checksum
12:27 < Baldzius> cp: cannot stat `/usr/embutils/sed': No such file or directory
12:27 < Baldzius> compiling 2.6.13
12:29 < Baldzius> i have embutils installed
12:44 < rxr> do you Build-Target or Build-Pkg / Emerge-Pkg ?
12:44 < Baldzius> Emerge-Pkg
12:48 < rxr> ah - yeah
12:49 < rxr> that is not embutils alone but minised missing ,-)
12:50 < Baldzius> :
12:50 < Baldzius> :)
12:50 < Baldzius> rebuilding
12:55 < rxr> you also should rebuild pdksh and disktype
12:55 < rxr> (on your 2.1 system with 2.2 style kernel)
12:55 < rxr> those are by default statically linked for embedding into the initrd
12:58 < Baldzius> rxr: i did
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13:53 < CIA-9> chris * r11815 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.0-rc14 -> 0.9.0-rc15)
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14:03 < CIA-9> chris * r11816 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/strongswan.desc: * updated strongswan (2.5.0rc0 -> 2.5.2)
14:19 < valentin> hi
14:19 < rxr> hi
14:20 < valentin> rxr: does nexuiz run under ppc ?
14:23 < rxr> maybe
14:23 < rxr> I tested it weeks ago - but IIRC it was a bit slow
14:23 < rxr> but aside from that I think it work
14:23 < rxr> efd
14:23 < rxr> ed
14:23 < rxr> valentin: btw. I messed up our source projects a bit ... ,-)
14:23 < valentin> i feared that ...
14:24 < valentin> i'll take a look later
14:24 < rxr> it is not yet finished
14:24 < rxr> best take a look in some days .-)
14:24 < rxr> or when I ask you to migrate the dam auto-generated files stuff
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14:46 < rxr> Lua 5.1 alpha (Development)
14:58 < rxr> valentin: are you in AH or home ?
15:01 < CIA-9> rene * r11817 /trunk/package/base/pcre/ (libtool-crap-workaround.patch pcre.desc): * updated pcre (6.3 -> 6.4)
15:11 < morfoh> hi valentin + rxr + *
15:11 < morfoh> rxr: you're inventing nice names for your patches ;)
15:13 < rxr> morfoh: that was not me
15:13 < rxr> morfoh: I deleted the patch jsaw added ...
15:13 < rxr> moin morfoh
15:14 < morfoh> rxr: ok ok :) moin moin ... :)
15:15 * rxr is not the only one naming patched after the level or brokenness they fix ... ,-)
15:15 < CIA-9> chris * r11818 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/strongswan.desc: * updated strongswan (2.5.2 -> 2.5.4)
15:19 < morfoh> rxr: good to know ;)
15:19 < rxr> ich kann das Format .png nicht lesen.
15:19 < rxr> K?nnen Sie mir bitte diese Datei als .jpg zusenden.
15:19 < rxr> ^- ...
15:19 < rxr> windows ....
15:21 < morfoh> rxr: no wonder ... we all know what the "P" ind PNG is for :p
15:29 < rxr> now - what for?
15:30 < rxr> btw. do you know people who pronounce "PNG" as "ping" ?
15:30 < morfoh> nope ...
15:32 < morfoh> rxr: I just meant, M$ doesn't like "portability"
15:34 < morfoh> rxr: but regarding "ping" ... once I meet a guy in a computer store who tried to "ping" a phone number ... some collegues played fool with him :)
15:35 < rxr> I know one calling PNG ping - and I find that rather strange
15:36 < CIA-9> chris * r11819 /trunk/package/network/nagios/nagios.desc:
15:36 < CIA-9> * updated nagios (1.2 -> 2.0b4)
15:36 < CIA-9> * changed [S] (Stable -> Beta)
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16:32 < mnemoc> moin
16:34 < rxr> moin mnemoc !
16:34 < mnemoc> moin rxr
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16:42 < mnemoc> rxr: [10:41:22] uhm.... rxr: gsmp still down?
16:42 < mnemoc> rxr_ :p
16:43 < mnemoc> rxr_: btw, you forgot 'soundmodem' package from keinek
16:46 < rxr_> oeh
16:46 < rxr_> mnemoc: oh - I add
16:47 < rxr_> mnemoc: I have not yet been out to gsmp due to lack of time
16:48 < mnemoc> rxr_: ok ;) .... please add --delete-after to your rsync when you get there ;)
16:48 < mnemoc> rxr_: i renamed ppc750 to G3 for better user understanding
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16:53 < rxr_> hm - I always named them that way
16:53 < rxr_> I see we change everything, from ISO names to the world ...
16:54 < mnemoc> i ofered ppc750 to three apple users, including sparc-kly :-). they didn't know what a ppc750 was
16:54 < rxr_> .oO(we need to hand out some CPU timeline books)
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17:00 < rxr> mnemoc: my mac mini has a 2.1:HEAD build finished
17:01 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/ <--- stage-9 was built with an updated gcc
17:03 < CIA-9> amery * r11820 /trunk/scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch: * fixed Create-PkgUpdPatch to be less greedy, allowing $newver shorter than $newver without errors :)
17:05 < mnemoc> shorter than $oldver* :(
17:05 < rxr> mnemoc: the build doesn't look bad
17:05 < mnemoc> rxr: i had 8 errors, now i have 21.
17:06 < mnemoc> and 280 builds left
17:06 < rxr> oh
17:06 < rxr> overlooked the left
17:06 < rxr> then of course this is bad
17:06 < rxr> any change this is due to other changes ?
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17:07 < mnemoc> rxr: not sure but stage-9 has every package available so it's like 'perfect priorization'
17:08 < rxr> ok (exact code) next gen Makefile* work begins to show some shape
17:08 < mnemoc> Makefile++ ?
17:08 < mnemoc> *g*
17:08 < rxr> I overhaul our former configure/shell and static Makefile stuff to be non recursive and having other advantages
17:09 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - no make rewrite - just a sane set of shell functions for a configure(.sh) (without ugly preproc) and static Makefiles (without even ugly preproc)
17:09 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk/configure
17:09 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/macosd/trunk/configure
17:10 < rxr> ^- how configure scripts look like
17:10 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk/gfx/Makefile
17:10 < mnemoc> exactautoconf :D
17:10 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk/utility/Makefile
17:10 < mnemoc> it's almost identical to djb's configure scripts
17:10 < rxr> how Makefiles look like
17:10 < rxr> oh - never saw those ...
17:11 < morfoh> rxr: so you're ideas are still proofed ;)
17:11 < morfoh> I mean ... proofed yet :p
17:13 < rxr> morfoh: haeh?
17:14 < morfoh> rxr: just ignore me ... I just wanted to say that "djb style" is proofed to be efficient and secure and ... bla blubs
17:14 < morfoh> :p
17:15 < rxr> ah
17:15 < morfoh> .oO( it seems to me that updating our snort package to recent 2.4.0 is a major issue )o.
17:16 < morfoh> lots of changes in there ...
17:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: when prelude will get into snort?
17:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: it *is* in 2.4.0 ;)
17:17 < mnemoc> :)
17:17 < morfoh> that's why I wnated to update
17:17 < morfoh> :)
17:17 < morfoh> and I've a lot's of new prelude "sensors" mostly ready for commit too
17:18 < mnemoc> good
17:20 < rxr> yeah - r12000 this week ...
17:21 < CIA-9> amery * r11821 /trunk/package/develop/mono/mono.desc: * updated mono (1.1.8.3 -> 1.1.9)
17:23 < CIA-9> amery * r11822 /trunk/package/develop/mod_mono/mod_mono.desc: * updated mod_mono (1.0.9 -> 1.1.9)
17:23 < CIA-9> amery * r11823 /trunk/package/develop/mono-xsp/mono-xsp.desc: * updated mono-xsp (1.0.9 -> 1.1.9)
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17:47 < mnemoc> morfoh: on mnemosyne 0.2 i want a choice libc.{glibc,dietlibc}.choice then i need to know what rules from current .all files must go inside libc.glibc.choice and what inside libc.dietlibc.choice to build the different systems
17:48 < mnemoc> sparc-kly|w3k: no luck?
17:53 < sparc-kly|w3k> I cannot with the problem
17:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... what do you propose how we should proceed ?
17:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: what field?
17:55 < mnemoc> sparc-kly|w3k: i'm almost sure it's a netmask issue
17:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: libc.{glibc,dietlibc}
17:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: get mnemosyne2 first :)
17:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: roger that :)
17:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: create a libc.dietlibc.choice, and add there what dietlibc-only machines need, and move to libc.glibc.choice what they don't need
17:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok
17:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: btw, if you select boot/NO, linux26 and modutils is not built
17:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: to be used on vservers
17:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... I understood your note before ;)
17:58 < mnemoc> o.o
18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: Fetching external item into 'target/mnemosyne2'
18:02 < morfoh> svn: REPORT request failed on '/mnemosyne/!svn/bc/66/trunk'
18:02 < morfoh> svn: '/mnemosyne/!svn/bc/66/trunk' path not found
18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: hmmm ... what did I wrong ?
18:03 < mnemoc> oops
18:03 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/
18:03 < mnemoc> each target has it's own tree on mnemosyne repo
18:04 < mnemoc> including sheba
18:04 < CIA-9> rene * r11824 /trunk/package/network/soundmodem/ (. soundmodem.desc):
18:04 < CIA-9> Leonel Ivan Saafigueroa :
18:04 < CIA-9> * added soundmodem (0.10)
18:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh! :)
18:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: now it works :)
18:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: fetching ...
18:07 < rxr> make -j 200
18:07 < rxr> ^- how I test my new Makefile system ,-)
18:08 * mnemoc wonders if packages not marked as NOPARALLEL would build with -j 200
18:09 < rxr> well - for many they got it right
18:09 < rxr> those with NOPARALLEL have grave violation in the way one should write Makefiles ...
18:10 < morfoh> mnemoc: mnemosyne2 "sorting" looks a bit cleaner :)
18:10 < rxr> oh - my old makefiles also have not been -j aware ...
18:10 < mnemoc> bad rxr
18:10 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess, all new changes should go into mnemosyne2
18:11 < mnemoc> of course
18:12 < rxr> ah - no sorry - old one work as well
18:13 < mnemoc> :)
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18:18 < mnemoc> morfoh: oh, i forgot.... mnemosyne2 use pkgsel.in so you need to patch 2.1 to use it
18:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok! what do I have to patch ? or do you have a patch lingering around ?
18:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: 10691
18:21 < mnemoc> merge that
18:21 < mnemoc> i'll merge it to the branch after 2.1.0
18:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok
18:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: I created LIBC.dietlibc.choice but glibc is still selected
18:30 < mnemoc> glibc is default
18:30 < mnemoc> does it fail to change?
18:30 < morfoh> nope ... I changed to use dietlibc
18:31 < mnemoc> changed=UI or altered default?
18:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: I created dietlibc choice and selected it in the UI
18:33 < mnemoc> :)
18:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: http://www3.t2-project.org/Members/amery/targets/mnemosyne/modules
18:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: but where do you set the "default" libc ?
18:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: a sub-target can force that
18:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: default must be glibc
18:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: sorry ... I'm a bit confused ... do you mean a sub-modul ?
18:39 < mnemoc> sub-target, a target that extends the other
18:40 < mnemoc> on mnemosyne, set using Config UI
18:40 < mnemoc> sheba could set that by default
18:40 < mnemoc> forcing it
18:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I think I understand, but does it answer my question why glibc is selected ?
18:42 < mnemoc> you changed it on UI but it doesn't change?
18:42 < mnemoc> or you mean SDECFG_LIBC ?
18:42 < mnemoc> change SDECFG_LIBC on libc.conf
18:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: I changed to "dietlibc" and I've both selected ... dietlibc _and_ glibc
18:42 < mnemoc> - glibc on your module ;)
18:43 < mnemoc> uhm
18:43 < mnemoc> wait
18:43 < mnemoc> please commit your module to take a look
18:43 < morfoh> ok :)
18:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: sorry ... now I think I've confused you too :p
18:45 < mnemoc> yep
18:45 < mnemoc> our english sucks
18:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: yours :p
18:46 * morfoh hides
18:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ok ... mine too :)
18:46 < mnemoc> our failure comunicating now is a sign of our pathetic english level
18:49 < sepp> dobry den
18:50 < mnemoc> hi sepp
18:50 < morfoh> sepp: moin moin
18:50 < mnemoc> sepp: dobry den?
18:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: I cannot commit :/
18:50 < sepp> mnemoc: russian for hello
18:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: do I have write access ?
18:50 < mnemoc> :)
18:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: rxr said yes
18:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: same login and password that on t2
18:51 < morfoh> sepp: but then I would write it "dobroy djen"
18:51 < mnemoc> i thought you have fogotton russian :)
18:51 < sepp> morfoh: hmm maybe
18:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... ideed ... but the basics things I've not forgotten
18:53 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11825 /trunk/package/archiver/cpio/cpio.desc: * changed cpio to build also in stage 3 to make 5-linux mkinitrd happy
18:54 < rxr> sepp: why not just move cpio priority before linux ... ?
18:54 < sepp> rxr: good question
18:54 < mnemoc> rene hate stages :p but ack in this case
18:58 < _Ragnar_> moin moin
18:58 < sepp> moin _Ragnar_
18:58 < morfoh> moin _Ragnar_
18:59 < sepp> do you prefer it to be before linux* ?
19:00 < mnemoc> sepp: you to avoid building it twice
19:00 < mnemoc> s/you/just/
19:01 < sepp> ok
19:02 < sepp> it could be in stage 3 only :P
19:06 < sepp> hmm change it to whatever you want - it has to be there before 5-linux* for mkinitrd, i run away to buy some food ...
19:07 < rxr> sepp: hehe - cu
19:11 < CIA-9> rene * r11826 /trunk/package/powerpc/macosd/macosd.desc: * updated macosd (0.1.10 -> 0.2.0)
19:13 < rxr> ^- contains the new build system as tested to build this thing ... valentin
19:14 < morfoh> rxr: have you seen my query ?
19:15 < rxr> oehm
19:15 < rxr> no
19:15 < morfoh> rxr: I just asked you about changing my svn pw
19:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: send a new hash :)
19:16 < rxr> morfoh: I don't have a query from you - maybe this was during my reconnect ?
19:16 < morfoh> rxr: nope ... it was later
19:16 < rxr> hm
19:16 < rxr> strange
19:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: have you seen my answering on your query ?
19:17 < rxr> so - one project successfully conveted to non recursive build ...
19:17 < rxr> no
19:17 < rxr> 19:15 nothing here ...
19:17 < mnemoc> morfoh: i got no answer
19:17 < rxr> nothing new
19:17 < morfoh> perhaps I've a problem with irssi
19:17 < mnemoc> morfoh: you can't send private messages on freenode without registering
19:17 < rxr> mnemoc: ouh! - is that new ?
19:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: ah! ok ... they changed it
19:18 < rxr> 19:15 -!- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
19:18 < rxr> oh
19:18 < mnemoc> about 2 weeks
19:18 < mnemoc> keepnick.pl is your friend :)
19:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: I just know beatnick :p
19:19 < rxr> bash: perl: command not found
19:20 < morfoh> mnemoc/rxr: and I'm wondering why you both don't answer
19:20 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/keepnick.pl
19:20 < mnemoc> rxr: to .irssi/scripts/
19:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: and i was wondering why you always keep silence to queries
19:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: sh*t ... sorry
19:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: I was typing and typing ... and no response
19:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: so it doesn't only depend on our bad english :p
19:22 < mnemoc> :D
19:23 < morfoh> rxr: I'll send you the hash ... is SHA1 allowed ?
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19:35 < morfoh> rxr: you've got mail :)
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20:21 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11827 /trunk/package/archiver/cpio/cpio.desc: * stage 5 - before linux
20:21 < sepp> :)
20:24 < rxr> re
20:31 < rxr> morfoh: any reason for your new password hash ?
20:34 < mnemoc> he forgot it :p
20:34 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I was hacked and someone got my pw :p
20:34 < mnemoc> then he can't commit to mnemosyne
20:34 < mnemoc> *G*
20:34 < rxr> hacked ?
20:34 < rxr> ouhm
20:34 < rxr> morfoh: injected
20:34 < rxr> please test
20:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... blaming me ... that's what you can do the best ...
20:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: *g*
20:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: zope?
20:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: go away
20:35 < rxr> morfoh: ?
20:35 < morfoh> :p
20:36 < rxr> morfoh: what was it? anything we should take care off ?
20:36 < morfoh> rxr: regarding the pw ?
20:37 < morfoh> rxr: there was no "external" problem
20:37 < morfoh> rxr: in that case mnemoc was right
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20:37 < morfoh> rxr: but anyway ... I can't commit to mnemosyne tree
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20:39 < rxr> oh - yeah
20:39 < rxr> test npw
20:39 < rxr> now even
20:40 < morfoh> ok! someone made some maize cobs I've to eliminate :)
20:40 < morfoh> rxr: works now :)
20:40 < morfoh> rxr: thanks :)
20:41 < morfoh> rxr: what was the problem sss
20:41 < morfoh> ?
20:41 < morfoh> brb
20:43 < rxr> morfoh: only injected the pass to t2 - forgot mnemosyne -)
20:44 < mnemoc> rxr: why not sharing users file?
20:45 < mnemoc> groups can be different anyway
20:47 < mnemoc> what's the way to add arguments for ld?
20:54 < rxr> ld ?
20:54 < rxr> you mean like LD_WRAPPER ?
20:54 < rxr> we miss that so far IIRC
20:54 < mnemoc> jsaw: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/patches/hlfs/svn/glibc-2.3.5-ssp-1.patch
20:55 < mnemoc> rxr: i need to pass -pie to ldd, can i do i via gcc?
20:56 < mnemoc> rxr: there are direct calls to ld?
20:56 < rxr> -Wl,-pie maybe ?
20:56 < mnemoc> thnkas :)
21:02 < rxr> does it work? was just typed from memory
21:02 < mnemoc> i haven't tryied :p
21:03 < mnemoc> i'm just trying to figure out how to add PIE option to t2
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21:11 < SerWou> good evening
21:12 < mnemoc> rxr: i guess this is a problem on our WRAPPERs thingy: " The fPIE flag can only be passed to executables, not libraries. "
21:12 < mnemoc> hi SerWou
21:14 < rxr> PIE?
21:14 < rxr> what should that do ?
21:14 < mnemoc> Position Independent Executables
21:14 < rxr> mnemoc: why do you want to pass that ?
21:14 < rxr> yeah - and ?
21:14 < mnemoc> a thing pax need
21:14 < mnemoc> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hlfs/view/unstable/glibc/chapter02/pie.html
21:15 < mnemoc> state-of-the-art security relay on that feature ;)
21:16 < rxr> I can implement conditional wrapper stuff tomorrow or so
21:17 < mnemoc> nice
21:17 < mnemoc> what about 2.1 fixes?
21:18 < mnemoc> and gsmp to update the last ISOs :'(
21:26 < rxr> yeah
21:27 < mnemoc> how evil is to patch gcc specs?
21:29 < rxr> evil
21:29 < mnemoc> ok :)
21:29 < rxr> we don't have the spec anymore I think - and 4.0 does not have them at all
21:30 < mnemoc> i'll wait for your conditional wrapping before continue so
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21:34 < menomc> :(
21:37 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc
21:41 < rxr> Apache 2.1.7 (Development)
21:42 < morfoh> re
21:45 < mnemoc> morfoh: irc server up? ;)
21:45 < morfoh> no! but stomach filled :)
21:46 < mnemoc> :)
21:46 < mnemoc> zope next?
21:47 < morfoh> next I want to inject the small syne2 changes I did so far
21:49 < mnemoc> good
21:55 < mnemoc> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
21:55 < mnemoc> ccache: option requires an argument -- M
21:55 < mnemoc> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 0.00% cache hits so far.
21:55 < mnemoc> .oO
21:56 < sepp> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (109 hits, 0 misses)
21:57 < sepp> :)
21:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: changes committed
21:57 < morfoh> btw, is CIA watching also mnemosyne2 ?
22:00 < mnemoc> nope
22:00 < mnemoc> we have to wait for t2-powered for that
22:00 < mnemoc> which i would like running on a sheba server
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22:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh! today I was thinking again about how to solve the request distribution between vservers most effeciently
22:14 < mnemoc> request distribution?
22:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... in a virtual hosting environment
22:18 * mnemoc doesn't understand :\
22:18 < mnemoc> how to 'install' new vservers?
22:19 < mnemoc> templates?
22:19 < _Ragnar_> that's a good idea ;D
22:19 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: ?
22:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess we should use templates ... yep
22:20 < mnemoc> or cow
22:21 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: you have a vserver system, and want to update all vservers for example ... how you do that?
22:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps it could be interesting to use sth. like unionfs
22:22 < mnemoc> yes, unionfs is a good way to do COW
22:22 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: do you use vserveR?
22:23 < _Ragnar_> not yet
22:23 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: yes ... atm. I've to update every single vserver on my productive systems one its own
22:23 < morfoh> but that's crap ... and every context is wasting some disk space too
22:24 < mnemoc> normally they are tried as standalone machines and backup/install
22:24 < mnemoc> but there are many 'unification' methods to save space
22:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep
22:24 < mnemoc> unionfs can help (and harm) massive updates
22:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: but sometimes you don't want to update a particular vserver
22:27 < _Ragnar_> that's why cow would be nice
22:28 < mnemoc> until you update bdb
22:28 < mnemoc> and all vservers die
22:28 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr*
22:28 < _Ragnar_> don't have to remove the old version on upgrade
22:29 < mnemoc> unionfs is the best choice for cow imho
22:31 < mnemoc> what i do need is a good in-vserver runit support :)
22:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep ... I've tested runit in vserver on friday ;)
22:34 < mnemoc> supervising from inside or outside?
22:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: from inside
22:35 < mnemoc> i was thinking in 'nested' supervision
22:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: so you want to supervise it from outside ? or what ?
22:37 * rxr soon into bed
22:37 < mnemoc> supervise from outside a runsvdir inside
22:38 < mnemoc> hoping runsvctrl d /service/server-20 shutdown the machine :D
22:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: but why ? you can initialy start the vserver from outside using runit and the rest is done from inside
22:39 < morfoh> sleep well rxr
22:39 < mnemoc> in that way noone supervise vserver's runit
22:39 < mnemoc> cu rxr
22:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: hmmm ? I just thought to have the vservers as independly as possible that a 3rd. person could restart it's "own" vserver
22:47 < mnemoc> uhm... yes
22:47 < mnemoc> i tend to forget '3rd. persons'
22:48 < rxr> n8 all
22:48 < rxr> cu then
22:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: :)
22:48 < morfoh> good night rxr
22:48 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
22:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, what is your intended way to exclude some pkgsel's for a specific libc ?
22:51 < mnemoc> dependencies ;)
22:51 < mnemoc> LIBC!='foo'
22:51 < valentin> re
22:51 < mnemoc> wb valentin
22:51 < morfoh> hi valentin
22:51 < valentin> hi mnemoc, morfoh
22:52 < valentin> oh - i am 3 minutes too late
22:52 < morfoh> valentin: at least if you wanted to say good night to rene
22:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: is LIBC!='foo' implemented yet ?
22:55 < mnemoc> of course
22:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm sorry :)
22:55 < mnemoc> grep pkgsel/ ;)
22:55 < mnemoc> that's how i hide e.g. gnome stuff
22:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: let me see what evil things you've done there :p
23:01 < mnemoc> i hope you can use mnemosyne as abstract target which much hackery now
23:01 < mnemoc> s/which/without/
23:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: it looks promising :)
23:02 < mnemoc> .oO( i need to take control over my fingers )o
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23:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... regain control :)
23:03 < Baldzius> hello :)
23:03 < mnemoc> hi Baldzius
23:03 < morfoh> "moin" Baldzius :)
23:03 < Baldzius> :)
23:04 < morfoh> Baldzius: so what your grandma cooked today ? :)
23:04 < Baldzius> hehehe
23:04 < Baldzius> morfoh: don't remember
23:04 < morfoh> brb
23:04 < Baldzius> all day worked on pam and su issue :)
23:17 < mnemoc> morfoh: i would like to change IDS modules to name features and not packages
23:17 < mnemoc> Baldzius: much joy?
23:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... what about changing Prelude-IDS support -> Hybrid IDS framework ?
23:20 < mnemoc> whatever you want
23:21 < mnemoc> just avoid 'branding'
23:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: why ?
23:21 < mnemoc> mnemosyne IDS simply has what we choose for IDS
23:21 < mnemoc> and we want have two flavors
23:21 < mnemoc> wont*
23:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: if I take look at "Web Server" I'd like to choose from different servers too
23:22 < mnemoc> others can be pkgsel
23:22 < mnemoc> few dependencies
23:23 < mnemoc> over Apache we will auto-add mod_perl,mod_python,....
23:23 < mnemoc> so Web Server as choice will add difficulties
23:24 < mnemoc> you are talking about gatling right?
23:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep ... or about lighttpd if you want to have a small PHP capable web server
23:25 < mnemoc> .oO
23:25 < mnemoc> i would do that directly on sub-target
23:25 < mnemoc> to not bloat mnemosyne.... but... i'm not really sure
23:26 < mnemoc> do you select only one between {none,apache,gatling,lighttpd} ?
23:26 < morfoh> mnemoc: I think so
23:26 < mnemoc> on a real production system (or vserver)
23:27 < mnemoc> uhm.... then it could be a choice
23:27 < mnemoc> on IDS, do you have something else than prelude in mind?
23:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: i.e. I don't have think about building apache using dietlibc atm
23:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps BRO IDS ... but BRO is a different thing anyway and could be used as a prelude sensor
23:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: at least for me prelude is somewhat unique atm
23:29 < mnemoc> lets marry it
23:30 < morfoh> and prelude support just means have libprelude available
23:30 < morfoh> to have
23:31 < mnemoc> to be used by prelude stuff?
23:31 < mnemoc> #Forced: PRELUDE=1 ?
23:32 < morfoh> not just by prelude stuff ... also by third party modules like snort
23:32 < mnemoc> what about libprelude on IDS.ask ?
23:32 < morfoh> remember ... if we have libprelude available we enable prelude support in snort automagically
23:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: but you can use snort also without prelude
23:33 < valentin> cu tomorow...
23:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: but we can decide to just enable snort with prelude support ;)
23:33 < morfoh> valentin: cu
23:33 < mnemoc> then move snort outside IDS
23:34 < mnemoc> cu valentin
23:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: but this makes no sense to me
23:34 < mnemoc> so, our snort is prelude-only :)
23:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: nope ... our snort is prelude-aware :)
23:35 < mnemoc> T2's snort is prelude-aware
23:35 < mnemoc> but mnemosyne's, prelude-only
23:35 < morfoh> ok ok ... pedantic master :p
23:36 < mnemoc> do you want to have a non-prelude snort on any of your servers?
23:36 < mnemoc> i don't want mnemosyne as a 'meta-distribution', just an abstract distribution
23:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: now you wanna catch me :)
23:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: of course I want to have prelude support available in snort mostly :)
23:38 < mnemoc> mostly?
23:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ok ... in 99.9999999%
23:39 < mnemoc> and do you want IDS without snort?
23:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... if it's just a Host IDS
23:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: isn't it possible to have an IDS.ask and a HYBRID_IDS.ask ?
23:41 < mnemoc> of course it's posible
23:41 < mnemoc> and you also can define #Variable: inside .ask file
23:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: using it for what ?
23:41 < mnemoc> inside of making ugly filenames
23:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you mean ? :\
23:44 < mnemoc> HYBRID_IDS.ask
23:44 < mnemoc> vs. prelude.ask
23:45 < mnemoc> what about: IDS.{hostonly,manager,hybrid}.choice ?
23:45 < mnemoc> or you see bloat for any mnemosyne/IDS installation?
23:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: I think it's not practical because in some cases I'd like to have "Host Sensors" with prelude support
23:46 < mnemoc> IDS.{none,hostonly,sensor,manager,full}.choice ?
23:47 < morfoh> libprelude is just a library which enables sensors to communicate with central prelude managers
23:48 < mnemoc> there are machines with: no IDS (bad, but ok)
23:48 < mnemoc> hostonly
23:48 < mnemoc> host and sensors
23:48 < mnemoc> host and manager
23:48 < mnemoc> host and sensor and manager ?
23:49 < mnemoc> tell me other good convination
23:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: this sounds good to me but we've to add a management console too ;)
23:49 < mnemoc> host and manager
23:49 < mnemoc> all machines monitors at least theirselves
23:49 < morfoh> it's not mandantory that he manager=the management console
23:50 < morfoh> in most enviroments they have to be seperated anyway
23:51 < mnemoc> [ ] IDS Management Console
23:51 < mnemoc> (....) IDS level
23:52 < mnemoc> {none,host,sensor,manager,...} ?
23:52 < mnemoc> asumming sensor imply host, and manager imply host
23:52 < mnemoc> do you want sensor + manager? a name for that?
23:52 < morfoh> hmmm ? let me think about it ...
23:53 < mnemoc> i want to minimize the amount a modules to make the 'use cases'
23:53 < morfoh> yes ... I know
23:54 < mnemoc> package selection vs. feature selection
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23:54 < _Lewellyn> hoi hoi
23:54 < morfoh> but then we should use also sth. like database.ask
23:54 < mnemoc> hi _Lewellyn
23:54 < morfoh> hey _Lewellyn
23:54 < mnemoc> uhm?
23:55 < _Lewellyn> has anyone made 64-bit desktop build of 2.1 yet?
23:55 < mnemoc> we (on mnemosyne) support two databases, which can cohexist. postgresl and mysql
23:55 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: ragnar has been playing with that
23:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: because in the case of prelude-manager I would imply DATABASE
23:55 < _Lewellyn> i thought someone had...
23:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: what is database there?
23:56 < _Lewellyn> any idea on the status? i'd like to just upgrade to that and play with the vmware 5.5 beta under it :)
23:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: it stores the events in a database
23:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: so it can force postgresql
23:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: but it can also be used with mysql
23:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: build time or configuration time decition? person could enable Data Base/MySQL by hand
23:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: build *and* configuration time issue
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