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00:03 < mnemoc> bbl
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01:43 < CIA-8> ragnar * r11603 /trunk/package/mail/mutt/include_mapping.patch: * fix mutts broken include files to include themselves in the right sequence
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08:02 < rxr> re
08:03 < rxr> mnemoc: this is a known bug - and not a fix in a day thing
08:03 < rxr> mnemoc: just leave unionfs on ppc as long as it crashes gcc ...
08:21 < CIA-8> rene * r11604 /trunk/package/network/lighttpd/lighttpd.desc: * updated lighttpd (1.4.0 -> 1.4.3)
08:21 < CIA-8> rene * r11605 /trunk/package/graphic/freeimage/freeimage.desc: * updated freeimage (370 -> 380)
08:21 < CIA-8> rene * r11606 /trunk/package/base/lsof/lsof.desc: * updated lsof (4.75 -> 4.76)
08:22 < CIA-8> rene * r11607 /trunk/package/kde/kaffeine/kaffeine.desc: * updated kaffeine (0.7 -> 0.7.1)
08:22 < CIA-8> rene * r11608 /trunk/package/multimedia/tvtime/tvtime.desc: * updated tvtime (0.99 -> 1.0)
08:29 < CIA-8> rene * r11609 /trunk/package/java/classpath/classpath.desc: * updated classpath (0.17 -> 0.18)
08:46 < CIA-8> rene * r11610 /trunk/package/audio/rezound/rezound.desc: * updated rezound (0.12.0beta -> 0.12.2beta) - should fix gcc-4.0 compilation
08:57 < rxr> hm - I think I try flashing my cell today
08:58 < rxr> I just found out that it has the first firmware ever (sony k750i) and I hope one of the many later firmwares fixes the cracks between mp3's played ...
09:08 < owl> moin
09:11 < rxr> moin owl
09:14  * rxr updating to gnome 2.10
09:14  * rxr updating to gnome 2.12
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09:17 < rxr> moin mtr_ 
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09:29 < CIA-8> ragnar * r11611 /trunk/package/graphic/libsdl/libsdl.conf: 
09:29 < CIA-8> * force -O0 for libsdl to enable its inline assembler code to work with
09:29 < CIA-8>  gcc 4.x. This bug seems to be present since gcc 3.2.3 or even earlier
09:29 < CIA-8>  and the gcc maintainers seem to be unwilling or unable to provide a
09:29 < CIA-8>  fix to it.
09:36 < rxr> Getacom: T-DSL-Flatrate mit fester IP f?r 6,49 Euro
09:37 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0509/40310.html
09:41 < CIA-8> rene * r11612 /trunk/package/gnome2/glib/we-know-how-to-use-a-compiler.patch: 
09:41 < CIA-8> * removed non-applying and maybe obsolete patch
09:41 < CIA-8>  glib/we-know-how-to-use-a-compiler.patch
09:42 < CIA-8> rene * r11613 /trunk/package/network/adm8211/postlinux.conf: * polished adm8211 module installation
09:45 < CIA-8> rene * r11614 /trunk/package/network/ndiswrapper/ (ndiswrapper.cache ndiswrapper.conf): * fixed ndiswrapper package to include the documentation files
09:50 < _Ragnar_> rxr: feel free to look into the issue with libsdl ... I dunno -O0 is what we really want here, but I have no clue on how to force gcc to go the right thing here :/
09:51 < rxr> _Ragnar_: I just gave it a quick look - but rather focus on the more important things than investigating this (large) chunk of inline assembly ...
09:52 < rxr> _Ragnar_: thanks for fixing it for now
09:52 < _Ragnar_> yea it's def. a gcc error
09:52 < _Ragnar_> the inline assembly seems to be okay, just gcc doesn't seem to be able to find enough available registers to assign to the asm
09:55 < _Ragnar_> anyway, I need to get to bed
09:55 < _Ragnar_> cya tomorrow :)
09:57 < rxr> cu _Ragnar_ 
10:57 < CIA-8> chris * r11615 /trunk/package/network/bacula/bacula.conf: 
10:57 < CIA-8> * fixed postgresql related database selection
10:57 < CIA-8> * fixed wrong pkgprefix line for sqlite2 support
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10:58 < morfoh> moin
11:01 < rxr> moin
11:02 < valentin> moin rxr, morfoh, all
11:03 < morfoh> moin rxr, valentin
11:03 < valentin> to few sleep...
11:03 < valentin> too
11:03 < rxr> hi valentin 
11:04 < rxr> hm - seems the w-lan card is a mini pci
11:04 < rxr> maybe I though throw the inprocom ciso ipn 2220 crap thing into the trash, and grab one that has a open source driver ...
11:05 < morfoh> rxr: aha! so not soldered onboard ...
11:05 < valentin> why am i punished with such a big changeset each time i forgot to svn up for 5 days
11:05 < rxr> valentin: because T2 is the word's leading OS - there are constants updates, security and feature additions going on, you know?
11:06 < rxr> valentin: btw. we'll have gnome-2.12 today ...
11:06 < morfoh> rxr: I guess it's an good option to throw it away in favour of a well supported card
11:06 < rxr> == next big update
11:06 < rxr> this crap windows 64bit binary dirver loads with ndiswrapper
11:06 < rxr> sees the AP and all looks well, but does not send a packet over the air ...
11:06 < rxr> damn binary crap ...
11:07 < morfoh> brb
11:10 < rxr> google: msi megabook ipn2220 64 bit driver
11:10 < rxr> most hits are t2 - damn ...
11:10 < valentin> rxr: with lua's multiple assignment syntax, matching text from expressions is not as bloated as in c++
11:11 < valentin> s/c++/c++ using stl/
11:12 < valentin> and this table concept is not as impractical as i suspected first
11:14 < valentin> esp because it is f*ck*ng fast compared to the pseudo-array tables in, say gawk
11:15 < valentin> if we manage to introduce some sort of "pstream", lua is a good language
11:16 < valentin> and if we need heavy computational algorithms, we can interface with c++ for that
11:16 < valentin> it is not to hard
11:24 < valentin> i think lua is worth some evaluation
11:25 < valentin> rxr: most hits are t2 ??
11:26 < rxr> t2 irc log
11:26 < valentin> didn't know we have such a high google rank for our log...
11:31 < valentin> and lua contains much 'syntactic sugar' that makes it easy to write convenient code in a intuitive readable manner
11:32 < valentin> and the language had designed to be highly modular
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11:34 < valentin> for example you can access table entrys with string keys t["name"] with the syntactical construct t.name
11:35 < valentin> so you can simply put data entries and function references in some table and have an object
11:35 < valentin> by extending that table, you can "derive" such objects
11:35 < valentin> the syntax for doing such stuff is quite intuitive and user friendly
12:09 < CIA-8> valentin * r11616 /trunk/misc/lua/parse-desc.lua: * converted a pair iterator to ipair iterator for good programming style
12:21 < CIA-8> chris * r11617 /trunk/package/network/bacula/bacula.desc: * updated bacula (1.37.30 -> 1.37.38)
12:21 < morfoh> ^unfortunately we missed updating some prior versions
12:42 < rxr> valentin: what costs would you estimate to disassbmple a MIPS linux kernel driver and translate to C and recompile ?
12:42 < rxr> IPN2220: ELF 32-bit MSB MIPS-I relocatable, MIPS, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
12:42 < rxr> hm - not stripped - could even yield useful debug reference info ,-)
12:42 < rxr> 241K Apr  8  2004 IPN2220
12:42 < valentin> rxr: well - you cannot do this one-by-one
12:43 < rxr> MIPS is a simple RISC arch ...
12:43 < valentin> yes, but you have to edit the code and find out which part are the architecture invariant stuff and wich part is kernel interna
12:44 < rxr> of course 
12:45 < rxr> that is why I said "costs" not "let's do this in an hour" ...
12:45 < valentin> is there a paying customer ?
12:46 < morfoh> valentin: btw, what lua version do you use for testing 5.0 or 5.1 from trunk ?
12:47 < rxr> valentin: no - my sub-notebook
12:47 < valentin> morfoh: trunk - why ?
12:47 < valentin> rxr: i think you 
12:47 < valentin> will spend some nights
12:48 < morfoh> valentin: just interested in ;)
12:49 < valentin> because 1) you are not fluid in the mips asm semantics 2) you have to read and compare kernel api usage with other drivers 3) you have to rewrite it and i am sure you will oops your kernel more than once...
12:49 < valentin> but it is possible
12:52 < rxr> you only estimate "a few nights"?
12:52 < rxr> I would have estimated around a month ...
12:53 < rxr> what about an exact tranator that recompiles between architectures ... ,-)
12:53 < valentin> not few nights but some nights
12:54 < valentin> i think reading into other wlan drivers and comparing with the assemply will cost many days
12:54 < rxr> damn annoying companies ...
12:55 < valentin> write them you want a reference manual for that card
12:55 < rxr> they will either not reply or just laugh
12:57 < rxr> btw. the next package will be 1800
12:57 < rxr> so go go go folks ...
12:57 < CIA-8> rene * r11618 /trunk/package/network/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.desc: * fixed ndiswrapper download URL to not reffer to a sf.net mirror
12:59 < rxr> btw- /me just downloaing windows x86-64 preview trial ...
12:59  * rxr curious if the same binary driver works in windows
12:59 < rxr> maybe it is a general issue that the generic driver does not work due to sub-notebook specific hacks ...
13:01 < rxr> hm - wait
13:01 < rxr> why the hell do I hack around so much
13:01 < rxr> I have yes another w-lan card lying around
13:01 < rxr> that has a GPL driver nowadays ...
13:02 < rxr> .o(I could just wait for someone hacking the driver ,-)
13:02 < valentin> a pcmcia card ?
13:02 < rxr> yep
13:02 < rxr> I had for my old celeron 633 laptop that is in trah these days ...
13:03 < rxr> with this admtek chip
13:03 < rxr> adm8211
13:07 < morfoh> have to go ... cu 
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13:15 < rxr> works ... ,-)
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13:41 < CIA-8> rene * r11619 /trunk/package/security/nmap/nmap.desc: * updated nmap (3.81 -> 3.90)
14:02 < rxr> mnemoc: can I commit a gcc update (3.4.4) as well as unionfs update and fixes into 2.1 branch ?
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15:08 < rxr> -rw-r--r--   1 rene users  246362 Apr  8  2004 IPN2220
15:08 < rxr> -rw-r--r--   1 rene users  187840 Sep  8 15:07 IPN2220
15:08 < rxr> contains debug info ,-)!
15:09 < rxr> -rw-r--r--  1 rene users 1459885 Sep  8 15:05 IPN2220.asm
15:09 < rxr> MIPS assembly to C translation anyone ?
15:46  * rxr is too stupid to install device drivers under windows
15:46 < rxr> this is far too complicated ...
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17:05 < mnemoc> rxr: as far as those updates don't compromise any running thing, do them freely
17:06 < mnemoc> moin!
17:06 < mnemoc> rxr: i have gnome 2.12 ready for commit
17:06 < rxr> mnemoc: /em too
17:06 < rxr> me even
17:06 < rxr> have you test built ?
17:07 < mnemoc> nope
17:07 < rxr> .oO
17:07 < rxr> pure version bump ?
17:07 < mnemoc> yes
17:07 < rxr> well - it /mostly/ builds ..
17:07 < rxr> I had the version bump this morning :-(
17:07 < mnemoc> we have a trunk and one stable
17:07 < mnemoc> not two stable branches
17:08 < mnemoc> don't we?
17:11 < rxr> can I commit into branch for merge into trunk ... .oO
17:11 < rxr> or do you kill me then
17:12 < rxr> mnemoc: I wanted to compile at least most of the version bump before commit
17:12 < rxr> trunk is instable enough ...
17:12 < rxr> mnemoc: commit your update and I commit fixes
17:12 < mnemoc> i don't have the resources to test also trunk :\
17:12 < mnemoc> that's my idea :)
17:13 < rxr> then don't waste resources updating gnome ,-)!
17:13 < mnemoc> about 2.1, commit whatever you feel correct
17:13 < rxr> and merge into trunk then later on ?
17:13 < mnemoc> rxr: i was testing the improved Create-UpdPkgPatch
17:13 < rxr> oehm?
17:13 < mnemoc> rxr: i prefer to commit first on trunk and merge to 2.1 after that
17:14 < mnemoc> rxr: just to force the order
17:14 < rxr> yeah ...
17:14  * rxr too
17:14 < mnemoc> Create-PkgUpdatelala now updates directory name if it's needed
17:15 < mnemoc> so i loop over MD5FILE of the bundles :p
17:15 < CIA-8> rene * r11620 /branches/2.1/package/network/acx100/non-x86.patch: * fixed acx100 to not inject x86 only optimizations options
17:18 < CIA-8> rene * r11621 /trunk/package/network/acx100/non-x86.patch: 
17:18 < CIA-8> * merged r11620 from branches/2.1: fixed acx100 to not inject x86 only
17:18 < CIA-8>  optimizations options
17:20 < rxr> sorry
17:20 < rxr> mnemoc: when do you wanna tag the next thing?
17:21 < rxr> I have a 2.1 gcc update pending (3.4.4)
17:21 < mnemoc> i need people testing rc3
17:21 < mnemoc> but we could rc4 :(
17:22 < rxr> how old is rc3 tag ?
17:22 < rxr> +++ package/base/uml_utilities/pkg_linux_pre.conf       (working copy)
17:22 < rxr> +# does not build on PowerPC due to API changs
17:22 < rxr> +if [[ "$arch" = x86* ]]; then
17:22 < rxr> +
17:22 < rxr> ...
17:22 < rxr> +fi
17:22 < rxr> ok ?
17:22 < rxr> fixes linux24 in trunk for PowerPC
17:23 < rxr> I do not care about skas crap and would see this ugly crap removed entirely ...
17:23 < rxr> especially not eabled by default ...
17:23 < mnemoc> rc3 has 2-3 days
17:24 < rxr> you release rc3 and wait 1week+ for final = or what is your plan?
17:24 < mnemoc> that's the idea
17:26 < mnemoc> i'm uploading desktop-pmmx of rc3 now
17:26 < mnemoc> and buidling for p4
17:27 < mnemoc> rxr: i would set uml_utilities to O
17:29 < rxr> ok
17:29 < CIA-8> rene * r11622 /branches/2.1/package/base/uml_utilities/uml_utilities.desc: 
17:29 < CIA-8> * set the uml_utilities to "O"ptional, since the including linux patching
17:29 < CIA-8>  breaks on PowerPC
17:29 < mnemoc> or [A] - ppc ?
17:29 < rxr> no
17:30 < rxr> rather [A] + x86 x86_64
17:30 < mnemoc> :)
17:30 < rxr> since it will most likely break on anything not mainstream ...
17:30 < mnemoc> i find uml stupid anyway
17:30 < rxr> but I wanted to have the conditional since the utilities are also of use with unpatched kernels ...
17:30  * rxr too
17:30 < mnemoc> long life to vserver!
17:30 < mnemoc> ok
17:31 < rxr> xen
17:31 < mnemoc> :)
17:31 < mnemoc> if you want a real virtual machine, yes xen
17:31 < CIA-8> rene * r11623 /trunk/package/base/uml_utilities/uml_utilities.desc: 
17:31 < CIA-8> * merged 11622 from branches/2.1: set the uml_utilities to "O"ptional,
17:31 < CIA-8>  since the including linux patching breaks on PowerPC
17:31 < mnemoc> if you only need separation, vserver
17:33 < CIA-8> rene * r11624 /branches/2.1/package/filesystem/unionfs/ (compile.patch unionfs.conf unionfs.desc): 
17:33 < CIA-8> * merged r10880:11257 of unionfs:
17:33 < CIA-8>  * fixed unionfs for some 64bit archs by removing -Werror
17:33 < CIA-8>  * fixed unionfs' unionimap to correctly link against libuuid and thus
17:33 < CIA-8>  all utilities are built now
17:33 < CIA-8>  * updated unionfs (1.0.12a -> 1.0.13) - (fixes (among others) gcc ICE
17:33 < CIA-8>  on PowerPC)
17:33 < rxr> mnemoc: rc3 is tagged in stone, right=
17:34 < rxr> I can commit the gcc-3.4.4 update ?
17:34 < jsaw> re
17:34 < rxr> hi jsaw 
17:34 < jsaw> hi rxr 
17:34 < jsaw> did you have a chance to look at the lua demo parser?
17:35 < mnemoc> rxr: go for it... i'll start a test build after that
17:35 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
17:35 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
17:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: sorry, no change yet
17:36 < CIA-8> rene * r11625 /branches/2.1/package/base/gcc/ (gcc.desc protector-adapter.diff): * updated gcc (3.4.3 -> 3.4.4)
17:36 < jsaw> mnemoc: ?
17:37 < mnemoc> chance*
17:37 < jsaw> np
17:37 < jsaw> I'm just curious.... :)
17:37 < mnemoc> jsaw: i would like to design a good pre-Config tool 'bootstrapping'
17:37 < mnemoc> jsaw: there are people having troubles building Config helpers on their gcc-s
17:38 < mnemoc> jsaw: knoppix author was here once and he was unable to start Config
17:38 < jsaw> I know. We should have a "stage -1", where all necessary tools for the build system are built ...
17:38 < mnemoc> some stage-0 stuff could be moved to there
17:39 < jsaw> yep
17:39 < mnemoc> or even switch right our stages
17:39 < mnemoc> being stage-1 the first build specific stage
17:39 < mnemoc> (just to about the -1 exception)
17:40 < mnemoc> avoid*
17:40 < mnemoc> .oO( my finger are out of control )o
17:40 < rxr> mnemoc: let's not fine tune the existing setup - it worked this way for years and we rather should do the big swtich
17:40 < rxr> switch
17:41 < mnemoc> i know, but we have to be concient that our tool don't work on some 'valid' linux systems
17:41 < rxr> that is lua (or whatever) high speed config and real dependencies as well as the stage redesign with better bootstrap including C++ cross compiler and less stages without so many rebuilds and real dependency graph
17:41 < mnemoc> tools*
17:41 < rxr> I would rather track the few of this cases down to the real problem and fix that
17:41 < rxr> maybe even including a paranoia check like "you don't have ncurses-devel - go install it"
17:42 < mnemoc> about dependencies, we could easily filter [DEP]s to 'on-this-stage' and use tsort
17:43 < jsaw> I think we already agreed, that, when we move to a new config language, we have to re-design a few parts. So, also this "bootstrapping" belongs to the category of redesign.
17:44 < jsaw> The existing setup is more or less fine.
17:44 < jsaw> But constraint.
17:44 < mnemoc> yes
17:44 < jsaw> So, it's a long-term goal.
17:45 < rxr> ack - I rather would focus on the long term goal then too big changes for corner cases
17:45 < mnemoc> 2.1:rocklegacy/devfs/gtk26 2.2:modular/udev/gtk2.8/cairo 2.3:foo-% 
17:45 < jsaw> The question why I'm asking about lua is, I have an extension for lua for reading tar files that I'm going to release soon. If there's, let's say, 50% chance that we may use lua, I'll start a LuaNCurses library soon.
17:45 < rxr> as I wrote I would rather improve / fix only those corner cases as people notify us or whatever
17:45 < jsaw> That's why I'm asking.
17:46 < rxr> jsaw: valentin spoke pro lua today
17:46 < jsaw> ups
17:46 < rxr> I still have not looked too deeply into it
17:46 < jsaw> did he change mind?
17:47 < owl> hi jsaw 
17:47 < jsaw> hi owl
17:47 < CIA-8> rene * r11626 /trunk/package/base/linux24/ (gcc34-sparc64.patch linux24.desc): 
17:47 < CIA-8> * updated linux24 (2.4.31 -> 2.4.32-pre3) - should built with latest
17:47 < CIA-8>  binutils and includes other "nice-to-have" fixes
17:51 < mnemoc> jsaw: i _really_ like LUA
17:51 < mnemoc> jsaw: and i want to do TAIL on it
17:54 < _Ragnar_> hmm only 39 pkgs fail in trunk
17:54 < jsaw> of how many?
17:56 < mnemoc> 1650?
17:56 < jsaw> hmm, roughly 2% error rate, good I'd say
17:56 < jsaw> have to leave, cu later
17:56 < mnemoc> 8 on 2.1
17:56 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 
17:57 < _Ragnar_> 1664
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17:57 < morfoh> re hi :)
17:58 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 
17:58 < morfoh> hey mnemoc :)
17:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: how is it today ?
17:58 < _Ragnar_> hmmm O_O /usr/include/limits.h nests endlessly for efsd
17:58 < morfoh> hi _Ragnar_ 
17:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: worse than yesterday, and you?
17:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: better than yesterday
17:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you are sick again ?
18:00 < CIA-8> amery * r11627 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution-data-server/evolution-data-server.desc: * fixed evolution-data-server to download the version (1.3.8) stated on [V], and checksum added
18:00 < mnemoc> morfoh: no, just stressed
18:00 < mnemoc> and broken
18:00 < karasz> hi guys
18:00 < mnemoc> hi karasz 
18:00 < karasz> and girls :)
18:00 < morfoh> hi karasz 
18:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: define broken 
18:01 < mnemoc> two month without paying the rent
18:01 < karasz> guys and girls I need an advice
18:02 < karasz> about portable data terminals
18:02 < karasz> aka barcode scanners with mobile computers
18:03 < karasz> i need to buy some and i do not know what type should i buy
18:04 < karasz> anyone?
18:06 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm :-(
18:07 < mnemoc> :(
18:15 < CIA-8> rene * r11628 /branches/2.1/package/powerpc/linux24benh/: * removed powerpc/linux24benh anyone can use linux26 these days
18:16 < rxr> Microsoft VBScript runtime  error '800a01a8' 
18:16 < rxr> Object required: 'oMsg' 
18:16 < rxr> /nit/include/mq.asp, line 139
18:16 < rxr> online shop in VBScript - autsch ...
18:17 < mnemoc> :D
18:17 < rxr> I think this beast just lost my order
18:17 < rxr> damn crap shop ...
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18:25 < rxr> ok - this time it worked
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18:25 < rxr> let's see when this mini pci intel 2200bg card will arive and if it fits and works in my laptop ..
18:25 < rxr> mnemoc: do you have pending jobs that yield money ?
18:26 < mnemoc> one
18:28 < mnemoc> i expect to get money faster after i finish the model-driven code generator
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18:50 < rxr> mnemoc: do you commit gnome2 soon - or should I?
18:52 < mnemoc> if you have it ready, do it :)
18:53 < owl> hmm. i could my certificate to my hamster 
18:55 < mnemoc> uhm?
18:55 < rxr> mnemoc: both linux24 as in 2.1 as well as the updated trunk version did build on PowerPC
18:55 < rxr> just as info ...
18:56 < mnemoc> :)
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18:59 < CIA-8> rene * r11629 /trunk/package/network/aoetools/ (. aoetools.cache aoetools.desc): * added aoetools (7)
18:59 < rxr> ^- package 1700
18:59 < rxr> ^- package 1800 even
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19:17 < CIA-8> rene * r11630 /trunk/package/network/vblade/ (. vblade.cache vblade.conf vblade.desc): * added vblade (6)
19:33 < valentin> re
19:34 < rxr> moin valentin 
19:35 < mnemoc> rxr: there are new packages to add for gnome 2.12
19:39 < rxr> did you add those ?
19:40 < mnemoc> nope
19:47 < valentin> jsaw here today ?
19:48 < mnemoc> [11:56:55] <jsaw> have to leave, cu later <--- 2h ago
19:49 < valentin> yep - scrollback read
19:50 < valentin> i wanted to talk to him about lposix which seems a bit crappy and undocumented
19:50 < valentin> does not even work out of the box
19:50 < mnemoc> oh
19:50 < valentin> well, who cares
19:50 < valentin> i guess we need to map no more than a douzend posix functions into lua
19:51 < valentin> it is easier to do so in a lt2 :)
19:51 < valentin> i tried lposix, because i needed a glob-alike function for returning an iterator over all files matching a given pattern
19:52 < valentin> i.e. loading config modules
19:52 < mnemoc> :)
19:52 < valentin> btw: implementing modular object factors in lua is trivial
19:52 < valentin> needs two lines of code
19:52 < valentin> s/factors/factory
19:58 < mnemoc> it seem we have 3 votes pro lua
19:59 < valentin> i think it is worth a evaluation in the big case
20:08 < CIA-8> amery * r11631 /trunk/package/database/bdb/bdb.desc: * added checksum for bdb-4.3.28
20:08 < CIA-8> amery * r11632 /trunk/package/gnome2/bug-buddy/bug-buddy.desc: * updated bug-buddy (2.10.0 -> 2.12.0)
20:08 < CIA-8> amery * r11633 /trunk/package/gnome2/control-center/control-center.desc: * updated control-center (2.10.2 -> 2.12.0)
20:09 < CIA-8> amery * r11634 /trunk/package/gnome2/eel/eel.desc: * updated eel (2.10.1 -> 2.12.0)
20:09 < CIA-8> amery * r11635 /trunk/package/gnome2/eog/eog.desc: * updated eog (2.9.0 -> 2.12.0)
20:09 < CIA-8> amery * r11636 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/epiphany.desc: * updated epiphany (1.6.5 -> 1.8.0)
20:09 < CIA-8> amery * r11637 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution/evolution.desc: * updated evolution (2.2.3 -> 2.4.0)
20:09 < CIA-8> amery * r11638 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution-webcal/evolution-webcal.desc: * updated evolution-webcal (2.2.1 -> 2.4.0.1)
20:09 < CIA-8> amery * r11639 /trunk/package/gnome2/file-roller/file-roller.desc: * updated file-roller (2.10.4 -> 2.12.0)
20:11 < CIA-8> amery * r11640 /trunk/package/gnome2/gcalctool/gcalctool.desc: * updated gcalctool (5.5.42 -> 5.6.31)
20:11 < CIA-8> amery * r11641 /trunk/package/gnome2/gconf-editor/gconf-editor.desc: * updated gconf-editor (2.10.0 -> 2.12.0)
20:11 < CIA-8> amery * r11642 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.desc: * updated gdm (2.6.0.9 -> 2.8.0.4)
20:11 < CIA-8> amery * r11643 /trunk/package/gnome2/gedit/gedit.desc: * updated gedit (2.10.5 -> 2.12.0)
20:11 < CIA-8> amery * r11644 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-applets/gnome-applets.desc: * updated gnome-applets (2.10.1 -> 2.12.0)
20:12 < CIA-8> amery * r11645 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-desktop/gnome-desktop.desc: * updated gnome-desktop (2.10.2 -> 2.12.0)
20:12 < CIA-8> amery * r11646 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-doc-utils/gnome-doc-utils.desc: * updated gnome-doc-utils (0.3.2 -> 0.4.0)
20:13 < CIA-8> amery * r11647 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-games/gnome-games.desc: * updated gnome-games (2.10.2 -> 2.12.0)
20:13 < CIA-8> amery * r11648 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-icon-theme/gnome-icon-theme.desc: * updated gnome-icon-theme (2.10.1 -> 2.12.0)
20:13 < CIA-8> amery * r11649 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-keyring/gnome-keyring.desc: * updated gnome-keyring (0.4.3 -> 0.4.4)
20:13 < CIA-8> amery * r11650 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-media/gnome-media.desc: * updated gnome-media (2.10.2 -> 2.12.0)
20:14 < CIA-8> amery * r11651 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnomemeeting/gnomemeeting.desc: * updated gnomemeeting (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2)
20:14 < CIA-8> amery * r11652 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-menus/gnome-menus.desc: * updated gnome-menus (2.10.2 -> 2.12.0)
20:14 < CIA-8> amery * r11653 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-panel/gnome-panel.desc: * updated gnome-panel (2.10.2 -> 2.12.0)
20:14 < CIA-8> amery * r11654 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-session/gnome-session.desc: * updated gnome-session (2.10.0 -> 2.12.0)
20:14 < _Ragnar_> ouch
20:14 < CIA-8> amery * r11655 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-system-monitor/gnome-system-monitor.desc: * updated gnome-system-monitor (2.10.1 -> 2.12.0)
20:15 < valentin> mnemoc is on the trip again...
20:15 < CIA-8> amery * r11656 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools.desc: * updated gnome-system-tools (1.2.0 -> 1.4.0)
20:15 < _Ragnar_> I sure hope he's gonna help fixing that stuff, too :D
20:15 < mnemoc> with improved Create-UpdPkgPatch everything is more easy
20:15 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: don't doubt :D
20:16 < CIA-8> amery * r11657 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-terminal/gnome-terminal.desc: * updated gnome-terminal (2.10.0 -> 2.12.0)
20:16 < valentin> we just need a Create-FixPatch :)
20:16 < CIA-8> amery * r11658 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-themes/gnome-themes.desc: * updated gnome-themes (2.10.2 -> 2.12.0)
20:16 < mnemoc> :D
20:16 < CIA-8> amery * r11659 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-utils/gnome-utils.desc: * updated gnome-utils (2.10.1 -> 2.12.0)
20:16 < CIA-8> amery * r11660 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager.desc: * updated gnome-volume-manager (1.2.2 -> 1.5.1)
20:17 < CIA-8> amery * r11661 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnopernicus/gnopernicus.desc: * updated gnopernicus (0.10.9 -> 0.11.6)
20:17 < CIA-8> amery * r11662 /trunk/package/gnome2/gst-plugins/gst-plugins.desc: * updated gst-plugins (0.8.10 -> 0.8.11)
20:17 < CIA-8> amery * r11663 /trunk/package/gnome2/gstreamer/gstreamer.desc: * updated gstreamer (0.8.10 -> 0.8.11)
20:18 < CIA-8> amery * r11664 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk-engines/gtk-engines.desc: * updated gtk-engines (2.6.4 -> 2.6.5)
20:18 < CIA-8> amery * r11665 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkhtml/gtkhtml.desc: * updated gtkhtml (3.6.2 -> 3.8.0)
20:18 < CIA-8> amery * r11666 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtksourceview/gtksourceview.desc: * updated gtksourceview (1.2.1 -> 1.4.1)
20:19 < CIA-8> amery * r11667 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomeprint/libgnomeprint.desc: * updated libgnomeprint (2.10.3 -> 2.11.0)
20:19 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: those are the versions announced on gnome 2.12.0/desktop/MD5FILE
20:19 < CIA-8> amery * r11668 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomeprintui/libgnomeprintui.desc: * updated libgnomeprintui (2.10.2 -> 2.11.0)
20:20 < CIA-8> amery * r11669 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgtop/libgtop.desc: * updated libgtop (2.10.2 -> 2.12.0)
20:20 < CIA-8> amery * r11670 /trunk/package/gnome2/librsvg/librsvg.desc: * updated librsvg (2.9.5 -> 2.11.1)
20:20 < CIA-8> amery * r11671 /trunk/package/gnome2/libsoup/libsoup.desc: * updated libsoup (2.2.3 -> 2.2.6.1)
20:20 < CIA-8> amery * r11672 /trunk/package/gnome2/libwnck/libwnck.desc: * updated libwnck (2.10.3 -> 2.12.0)
20:21 < CIA-8> amery * r11673 /trunk/package/gnome2/metacity/metacity.desc: * updated metacity (2.10.3 -> 2.12.0)
20:21 < CIA-8> amery * r11674 /trunk/package/gnome2/nautilus/nautilus.desc: * updated nautilus (2.10.1 -> 2.12.0)
20:21 < CIA-8> amery * r11675 /trunk/package/gnome2/nautilus-cd-burner/nautilus-cd-burner.desc: * updated nautilus-cd-burner (2.10.2 -> 2.12.0)
20:22 < CIA-8> amery * r11676 /trunk/package/gnome2/pygtk/pygtk.desc: * added cksum for pygtk-2.8.0
20:22 < CIA-8> amery * r11677 /trunk/package/gnome2/sound-juicer/sound-juicer.desc: * updated sound-juicer (2.10.1 -> 2.12.0)
20:22 < CIA-8> amery * r11678 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (1.0.4 -> 1.2.0)
20:22 < CIA-8> amery * r11679 /trunk/package/gnome2/vte/vte.desc: * updated vte (0.11.14 -> 0.11.15)
20:22 < CIA-8> amery * r11680 /trunk/package/gnome2/yelp/yelp.desc: * updated yelp (2.9.3 -> 2.12.0)
20:23 < CIA-8> amery * r11681 /trunk/package/gnome2/zenity/zenity.desc: * updated zenity (2.10.1 -> 2.12.0)
20:23 < CIA-8> amery * r11682 /trunk/package/graphic/pdftk/pdftk.desc: * added cksum for pdftk-1.12
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20:24 < CIA-8> amery * r11683 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/xpdf.desc: * added cksum for xpdf-3.01
20:24 < _Ragnar_> this is gonna be fun
20:24 < CIA-8> amery * r11684 /trunk/package/java/commons-codec/commons-codec.desc: * added cksum for commons-codec-1.3
20:24 < mnemoc> *G*
20:25 < CIA-8> amery * r11685 /trunk/package/java/commons-collections/commons-collections.desc: * added cksum for commons-collections-3.1
20:25 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: do you remember my update orgy at january?
20:26 < CIA-8> amery * r11686 /trunk/package/java/jakarta-bsf/jakarta-bsf.desc: * added cksum for jakarta-bsf-2.3.0
20:26 < CIA-8> ragnar * r11687 /trunk/package/base/gperf/gperf-gcc4-compat.patch: * fix gperf issues with gcc4
20:26 < CIA-8> amery * r11688 /trunk/package/java/jms-spec/jms-spec.desc: * added cksum for jms-specs
20:26 < mnemoc> oops, typo on package name
20:27 < CIA-8> amery * r11689 /trunk/package/network/openvpn/openvpn.desc: * added cksum for openvpn-2.0.2
20:27 < CIA-8> ragnar * r11690 /trunk/package/multimedia/libdvb/libdvb_x86_64.patch: * fix libdvb for 64 bit platforms
20:27 < CIA-8> amery * r11691 /trunk/package/network/xmule/xmule.desc: * added cksum for xmule-1.10.1
20:28 < CIA-8> amery * r11692 /trunk/package/perl/perl-crypt-des/perl-crypt-des.desc: * added cksum for perl-crypt-des 2.03
20:28 < CIA-8> amery * r11693 /trunk/package/perl/perl-digest-md5/perl-digest-md5.desc: * added cksum for perl-digest-md5 1.8
20:29 < CIA-8> amery * r11694 /trunk/package/perl/perl-image-size/perl-image-size.desc: * added cksum for perl-image-size 2.992
20:29 < CIA-8> amery * r11695 /trunk/package/perl/perl-mail-sendmail/perl-mail-sendmail.desc: * added cksum for perl-mail-sendmail 0.79
20:30 < CIA-8> amery * r11696 /trunk/package/perl/perl-mime-base64/perl-mime-base64.desc: * added cksum for perl-mime-base64 1.00
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20:32 < CIA-8> amery * r11697 /trunk/package/develop/rapidsvn/rapidsvn.desc: * fixed rapidsvn to use X as cksum because it's an snapshot and we can't checksum them
20:35 < mnemoc> rxr: these package are part of 2.12/desktop and we don't have them packaged: dasher evolution-exchange gnome-backgrounds gnome-keyring-manager gnome-netstatus gnome-nettool system-tools-backends vino
20:38 < mnemoc> rxr: you have a note about gnome-themes-extras (http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-themes-extras/0.8/) on gnome-themes if you want to add it now
21:01 < rxr> re
21:02 < CIA-8> amery * r11698 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution-data-server/evolution-data-server.desc: * updated evolution-data-server (1.3.8 -> 1.4.0)
21:07 < jsaw> re
21:08 < jsaw> valentin: ?
21:09 < mnemoc> jsaw: he had troubles with lposix
21:10 < jsaw> I heard, but what problems?
21:11 < mnemoc> valentin: what lposix problems? :)
21:11 < jsaw> oh, I think I know what the problem is
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21:14 < jsaw> no I don't... 
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21:15 < jsaw> I have to go to the lab, cu later
21:15 < rxr> cu
21:17 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 
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21:34 < jsaw> back :)
21:35 < mnemoc> *g*
21:36 < jsaw> one might ask if it is a good or a bad thing to live near the work place...
21:36 < mnemoc> libsigc++ seems to have abandon sf mirror
21:36 < mnemoc> 2.0.6 at sf and 2.0.16 at gnome
21:40 < rxr> mnemoc: happy updating
21:40 < rxr> == 21:14:48 =[5]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.5 2.1-stable].
21:40 < rxr> ^- 2.1 ppc build ...
21:40 < mnemoc> rc3 or HEAD?
21:40 < rxr> HEAD
21:41 < mnemoc> will you upload your rc3-pre ppc iso? 
21:42 < rxr> it is up
21:42 < rxr> I wanted to talk about sorting with you - but forgot today
21:42 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/incoming/
21:42 < rxr> where do you wanna have it ?
21:42 < mnemoc> your autoindexing sucks
21:43 < jsaw> rxr: install -m 0644 ndiswrapper.ko /lib/modules/2.6.13-dist/
21:43 < jsaw> in stage 1
21:43 < rxr> jsaw: ouhm
21:43 < mnemoc> move it to mnemoc and i auto-locate it :)
21:43 < mnemoc> file list is unreadable, so i split
21:44 < rxr> done
21:52 < CIA-8> jsaw * r11699 /trunk/package/lua/lua-posix/ (lua-posix.desc t2-ext-glob.patch): * add "glob" to lua posix library
21:55 < mnemoc> for x in `svn st package/ | cut -d'/' -f1-3 | sort -u | cut -d' ' -f6-`; do  sh misc/archive/Commit.sh $x; done 
21:56 < CIA-8> amery * r11700 /trunk/package/develop/libsigc++/libsigc++.desc: * updated libsigc++ (2.0.6 -> 2.0.16) - relocated from sourceforge (very outdated) to gnome mirror
21:57 < jsaw> rxr: the problem with ndiswrapper seems come from DESTDIR=$root, in stage 1, $root is empty...
21:57 < mnemoc> ${root:-/}  ?
21:57 < jsaw> INST_DIR := $(DESTDIR)/lib/modules/$(KVERS)/misc
21:58 < jsaw> no,...
21:58 < jsaw> [ $stagelevel -eq 1 ] && DESTDIR=$xroot
21:58 < jsaw> ...
21:58 < jsaw> rxr: any idea?
21:59 < Baldzius> hi guys :)
21:59 < jsaw> hi Baldzius 
21:59 < CIA-8> amery * r11701 /trunk/package/gnome2/gconfmm/gconfmm.desc: * updated gconfmm (2.10.0 -> 2.12.0)
21:59 < mnemoc> hi Baldzius 
21:59 < Baldzius> hi jsaw mnemoc
21:59 < CIA-8> amery * r11702 /trunk/package/gnome2/glibmm/glibmm.desc: * updated glibmm (2.6.1 -> 2.8.0)
21:59 < Baldzius> someone updating gtk forgot to update cache :)
22:00 < Baldzius> cairo is missing
22:00 < CIA-8> amery * r11703 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-python/gnome-python.desc: * updated gnome-python (2.10.0 -> 2.12.0)
22:00 < mnemoc> Baldzius: .cache files are sync-ed after reference builds
22:00 < Baldzius> well it is not :)
22:00 < jsaw> rxr: can I change the DESTDIR to xroot? in scripts/functions.in
22:00 < mnemoc> does xroot exist on lower stages?
22:00 < CIA-8> amery * r11704 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-vfsmm/gnome-vfsmm.desc: * updated gnome-vfsmm (2.10.0 -> 2.12.0)
22:01 < jsaw> scripts/Build-Pkg:xroot="$root" ; [ $stagelevel -gt 1 ] && root=""
22:01 < jsaw> hmm
22:01 < jsaw> strange
22:01 < mnemoc> -gt :)
22:01 < mnemoc> i.e. {2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}
22:01 < jsaw> checking if xroot is empty too
22:02 < mnemoc> why xroot and root, and not simply root?
22:02 < mnemoc> adapted after chroot process
22:02 < CIA-8> amery * r11705 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkmm/gtkmm.desc: * updated gtkmm (2.6.4 -> 2.8.0)
22:03 < jsaw> because the prefix in stage 1 is "/", while the install prefix is $builddir sth.
22:03 < mnemoc> Baldzius: it is, but no reference builds on trunk
22:03 < CIA-8> amery * r11706 /trunk/package/gnome2/libglademm/libglademm.desc: * updated libglademm (2.6.0 -> 2.6.1)
22:03 < Baldzius> mnemoc: ic :)
22:04 < CIA-8> amery * r11707 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomecanvasmm/libgnomecanvasmm.desc: * updated libgnomecanvasmm (2.10.0 -> 2.12.0)
22:04 < mnemoc> Baldzius: we don't have hardware resources for that :\
22:04 < CIA-8> amery * r11708 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomemm/libgnomemm.desc: * updated libgnomemm (2.10.0 -> 2.12.0)
22:05 < jsaw> very strange, root is properly set
22:05 < CIA-8> amery * r11709 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomeuimm/libgnomeuimm.desc: * updated libgnomeuimm (2.10.0 -> 2.12.0)
22:05 < mnemoc> jsaw: is makefile getting the DESTDIR ?
22:06 < CIA-8> amery * r11710 /trunk/package/perl/perl-glib/perl-glib.desc: * updated perl-glib (1.093 -> 1.100)
22:06 < valentin> hi jsaw 
22:06 < CIA-8> amery * r11711 /trunk/package/perl/perl-gtk2/perl-gtk2.desc: * updated perl-gtk2 (1.093 -> 1.100)
22:06 < jsaw> you're right... rxr...rxr...: makeinstopt="$makeopt install"
22:06 < jsaw> nanana...
22:07 < mnemoc> :D
22:07 < mnemoc> do you want var_append on specific cases or massively define makeinstopt with DESTDIR?
22:08 < jsaw> grep DESTDIR scripts/* ;)
22:09 < valentin> jsaw: /usr/bin/lua: ./posix.lua:7: attempt to call global 'loadlib' (a nil value)
22:09 < jsaw> hu
22:09 < jsaw> O_O
22:10 < valentin> besides that there is no usefull configure script anyway for lposix and the path are hardcoded to:
22:10 < jsaw> that's when lua is compiled without dlopen support...
22:10 < jsaw> valentin: I have a patch there
22:10 < valentin> /tmp/lhf/lua-5.0
22:10 < jsaw> did you emerge lua ?
22:10 < valentin> about 4 days ago...
22:10 < valentin> that explains it
22:10 < jsaw> valentin: see patches in package/lua/lua-posix
22:11 < jsaw> I just added "glob" a few seconds ago
22:11 < valentin> but there is still no documentation to lua posix
22:11 < valentin> :)
22:12 < jsaw> "make x" or "make xx"... hmmm
22:12 < valentin> you really want to wrap ncurses ?
22:12 < jsaw> fgrep '/**' lposix.c | cut -f2 -d/ | tr -d '*' | sort | column
22:12 < valentin> coding ncurses is horrible
22:12 < jsaw> ^-- that's the documentation
22:13 < valentin> jsaw: hehe
22:13 < jsaw> :)
22:13 < valentin> no glob in there :( but you did one, that is nice.
22:13 < jsaw> did you apply the patches?
22:14 < valentin> well, i did not emerge lua-posix
22:14 < valentin> sorry i missunderstood your question before
22:15 < CIA-8> jsaw * r11712 /trunk/package/lua/lua-posix/t2-ext-glob.patch: * fix "glob" documentation
22:15 < jsaw> valentin: yeah, ncurses is horrible, but a subset for a nicer dialog replacement should be doable
22:17 < valentin> we should define a common api for displaying various dialog structures, so the config backend can be used with a graphical and a text based frontend
22:17 < mnemoc> ldialog :)
22:17 < jsaw> there are lua-qt bindings btw
22:17 < mnemoc> oh
22:17 < mnemoc> cairo? ;)
22:18 < jsaw> they are discussing a gui interface for lua... I do not exactly remember if cairo was on the list
22:18 < valentin> lgl ?
22:18 < CIA-8> amery * r11713 /trunk/package/textproc/libxml++/libxml++.desc: * updated libxml++ (1.0.4 -> 2.11.0) - from libxml++ v1 to v2, according to .cache files noone use it. the new needs glibmm.
22:18 < jsaw> yes, gl support should be around
22:18 < jsaw> you know, lua is heavily used in games, so there's a lot around.
22:20 < jsaw> there's also a JIT compiler.... just in case
22:21 < mnemoc> :)
22:22 < jsaw> Mike Pall - 2005-09-08 12:06 This is the initial public release of LuaJIT ...
22:22 < jsaw> see date :)
22:22 < mnemoc> :D
22:24 < valentin> well - once we have a whole SDE in lua that would be a good stresstest for the JIT
22:24 < jsaw> hehe
22:24 < jsaw> hmmm....
22:25 < jsaw> http://chrisbuechler.com/statcvs/bsdinstaller/installer/module_src_lib_lua_lcurses.html
22:25 < jsaw> ...
22:28 < valentin> what is this bsdinstaller thing ?
22:28 < jsaw> http://bsdinstaller.org/screenshots.html
22:29 < valentin> aha.
22:30 < jsaw> so, somebody did the work, I just have to rip it out ....
22:33 < mnemoc> can you GPL a BSD thing?
22:35 < jsaw> hmmm...
22:36 < valentin> mnemoc: do we have to ?
22:36 < mnemoc> T2 is GPL
22:36 < jsaw> sublicensing is possible
22:36 < jsaw> but lcurses would be a normal package we just use...
22:36 < valentin> mnemoc: yes, but if we use that as external module
22:36 < mnemoc> :D
22:36 < jsaw> :D
22:36 < valentin> like all the stuff we have in our toolchain
22:40 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.cenqua.com/fisheye/
22:42 < mnemoc> it seems stage (-1) will come before foo-%
22:42 < jsaw> okay, have to work a bit, cu later
22:43 < jsaw> mnemoc: is there a wiki page for foo-% already ... ?
22:43 < valentin> mnemoc: I do not like those LOC counter stuff
22:43 < valentin> just creating code noise does not necessary mean progress and vice versa
22:43 < mnemoc> jsaw: we don't have a wiki :\  spam killed it
22:44 < mnemoc> jsaw: www3.t2-project.org if you want to add content :)
22:44 < valentin> for example, say we manage to rewrite the whole build system with the same functionality and have approx. the same number of lines....
22:44 < mnemoc> jsaw: it will be moved to a faster site when morfoh find the time
22:44 < mnemoc> valentin: ack
22:45 < mnemoc> valentin: i like current commit counter :)
22:51 < valentin> imo we should remove the grey lines in that plot some day - i find it a bit prepotent to compare against "them"
22:52 < mnemoc> we are a rock-based acording to distrowatch
22:53 < valentin> another reason to rewrite big parts of the config and build stuff
22:53 < rxr> re
22:54 < valentin> hi rxr
22:54 < mnemoc> wb rxr 
22:55 < mnemoc> rxr: do you want the list of missing packages from 2.12/bindings for gnome maintainer?
22:55 < rxr> mnemoc: if you have it handy
22:55 < rxr> but we can do that too - you already do a lot of work ,-)
22:57 < mnemoc> rxr: libgconf-java libglade-java libgnome-java libgtk-java perl-gnome2 perl-gnome2-canvas perl-gnome2-gconf perl-gnome2-vfs perl-gtk2-gladexml  ;-)
23:01 < mnemoc> rxr: did you got the list of missing 2.12/desktop ?
23:10 < mnemoc> rxr: can i rename ppc-750 to ppc_750?
23:10 < mnemoc> rxr: my dumb release.sh gets confused :(
23:17 < rxr> oehm
23:17 < rxr> rename how you like
23:18 < mnemoc> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/2.1.0-rc3/ppc_750/t2-desktop/
23:18 < mnemoc> :-)
23:18 < mnemoc> ugly path :(
23:19 < mnemoc> but all-together was unreadable
23:27 < rxr> ok - n8 all
23:28 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 
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