--- Log opened Fri Sep 02 00:00:27 2005 00:10 < keinek> hi 00:11 < mnemoc> hi 00:26 < _Ragnar_> re 02:25 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.254.12.209] has quit ["Abandonando"] 04:55 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.203.113.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 05:14 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.200.60.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:49 < valentin> moin 11:22 < CIA-4> jsaw * r11463 /trunk/package/base/flex/flex.conf: 11:22 < CIA-4> * remove "-I/usr/include" from gcc arguments, this mixes host system 11:22 < CIA-4> with our build (which breaks with new gcc 4 on old gcc 3 systems) 11:33 -!- owl [n=owl@karnaya.de] has joined #t2 11:33 < owl> hi 11:33 < jsaw> owlita :) 11:34 < owl> O_O all the old, well known people are showing up here. 11:34 < owl> hi jsaw :) 11:34 < jsaw> hi 11:34 < owl> t2 and ibm-rs6000 will work together, won't they? :) 11:35 < jsaw> I'm not sure if rxr tested it on a rs6k lately, but the last thing I heard, yes 11:35 < owl> cool. thx. will have a try, then :) 11:35 < jsaw> but don't try trunk, use the 2.1 branch 11:35 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 11:36 < owl> 2-2.1.0-rc2.tar.bz2 11:36 < owl> will be ok? 11:36 < jsaw> I think there should be a rc3 somewhere 11:36 < owl> hmmm. then i must be blind :) 11:37 < owl> 2005-08-09 - t2 released... ;) 11:37 < jsaw> I'm not here too often... so I don't know where mnemoc put it 11:37 < owl> ah. ok. mnemoc = t2-team-mmber right now? 11:37 < jsaw> there's some quirk in rc2, but I forgot what it was... 11:37 < jsaw> owl: mnemoc is "stable" (2.1) tree maintainer 11:37 < owl> ohoho... 11:38 < owl> jsaw: hossa! 11:38 < jsaw> the quirk in rc2 doesn't surface always, so it went unnoticed... 11:39 < jsaw> owl: do you want an ISO? 11:39 < owl> hm. there is one for powerpc? ;) and: depends on the size of it 11:41 < jsaw> I can't find it, just write to the ML, I'm sure, rxr has one somewhere... 11:43 < owl> oki. will do it. thx ;) 11:44 < jsaw> owl: hope to meet you again here ;) 11:44 < jsaw> I have to leave, cu all 11:45 < owl> jsaw: yes, i think so. 11:45 < owl> bye jsaw ;) 11:48 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.203.113.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:18 < valentin> hi owl, how comes you are here ? 12:19 < valentin> owl: i think there is no rc2 iso for powerpc yet 12:20 < owl> valentin: hi. well. i will get a ibm rs6000 lent from my bf and there are not much distros out there, which have ppc-support... and additional i wanted to have a deeper look at the progress of t2 12:20 < owl> well. then i will do a crosscompile ;) 12:22 < valentin> hm, i do not think crosscompiling from x86 will work. but you could install an older version of t2 for ppc and compile on the rs6k 12:22 < valentin> rxr has an rs6k, too and he runs t2 on it :) 12:22 < valentin> maybe you could ask him for the details, but he is away this weekend 12:24 < owl> i c. hmm. bad, bad :) well. there are old isos arround, aren't they? ;) 12:25 < valentin> sure. 12:25 < owl> well :) 12:26 < owl> btw, there was a rewrite of the compilation tools planned...? 12:26 < valentin> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/2.1.0-beta3/desktop/t2-desktop-2.1.0-beta3-ppc-750_cd1.iso 12:27 < owl> hehe. ok. thx :) 12:27 < owl> will download the sources first, then the iso :) 12:27 < owl> (ppc sitll not here. will be "delivered" tonight, when my bf returns from work) 12:27 < valentin> yes, continuous rewrite as a long term goal. we still think about the new desing and language. however, there are many parts differ from Rock by now. 12:28 < owl> cool. which parts e.g.? 12:32 < valentin> ouhm ... where do i start ? we removed this package split fork stuff, introduced target extentions, target specific package extentions. We do not support a hundred different gcc versions anymore to avoid mainetance hell. New initrd concept, fully new designed livecd target. distcc support. ccache support. many slight changes in the build skripts behavior... 12:33 < valentin> in the meantime rock has some of those things, too. 12:37 < owl> i c. well. what about different kernels? are there still 2 millions in the proeject? 13:03 -!- morfoh [n=root@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 13:04 < morfoh> hi * 13:10 < valentin> sorry owl, had to take care of my daughter 13:11 < valentin> kernels are updated in the development trunk almost each time there is a usefull new kernel. updating on your local machines time to time is annoying but recommended for security reasons 13:11 < valentin> in general we support 2.4 and 2.6 series 13:12 < morfoh> hi papa valentin ... how is little janna today? still sick ? 13:12 < valentin> but we have a sanitized linux-header package and a new mechanism to compile all third-party modules together with the kernel in one turn. this makes updating kernels easy 13:13 < valentin> morfoh: she is quite okay theese days. the de-bubbler works in the night. sometimes she is in a bad mood, but we have to live with that. 13:18 < morfoh> does anyone has a recent OpenOffice binary version ? 13:36 < CIA-4> jsaw * r11464 /trunk/package/base/libtool/libtool.desc: * update libtool (1.5.14 -> 1.5.18) 13:37 < CIA-4> jsaw * r11465 /trunk/package/base/ (dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_gawk.patch gawk/gawk.conf): * fix gawk compilation with dietlibc 13:43 < owl> valentin: np. grabbed food - so was afk, too ;) 13:43 < owl> valentin: kernel-updating sounds nice to mee... much better than in rock... ;) 14:01 < valentin> .oO - hope you will not be too disappointed *g* 14:02 < owl> hehe ;) we will see 14:07 < owl> btw, you must still be root while building i guess? 14:30 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 14:37 < valentin> owl: yes, still. once we have "cross compile everything" you may not need that anymore 14:39 < owl> i c. 14:43 < valentin> bbl 14:43 < owl> ff 14:50 < morfoh> cu guys ... me moving home 14:51 -!- morfoh [n=root@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["leaving"] 15:45 < mnemoc> moin 15:45 < mnemoc> valentin: that beta3 is ancient 15:53 < CIA-4> amery * r11466 /branches/2.1/package/kde/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 15:53 < CIA-4> * merged 8652,9374,9823,9850,10746,10749 from trunk: updated koffice (1.3.5 -> 1.4.1) 15:53 < CIA-4> * merged 8652,9823,10747 from trunk: updated koffice-i18n (1.3.5 -> 1.4.1) 16:06 -!- rxr [i=rene@e178153115.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 16:06 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | BT http://torrent.t2-project.org/ 16:06 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Tue Aug 9 23:45:30 2005] 16:06 [Users #t2] 16:06 [@vilkacis] [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ owl ] [ SerWou ] [ valentin] 16:06 [ [Kosh] ] [ CIA-4 ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ Shingo-- ] 16:06 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly] 16:06 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 16:06 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 16:07 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 7 secs 16:08 < mnemoc> hi rxr reconnection 16:08 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: any merge pending for rc3? 16:19 -!- rxr_ [i=rene@e178163095.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:32 < CIA-4> jsaw * r11468 /trunk/package/base/shadow/shadow.conf: 16:32 < CIA-4> * remove libtoolize from shadow, hurts shared library installation 16:32 < CIA-4> (missing .so extension) 16:52 < CIA-4> amery * r11469 /trunk/package/gnome2/pygtk/pygtk.desc: * updated pygtk (2.6.2 -> 2.8.0) 16:52 < mnemoc> ^--- released 1 minute ago :p 16:54 < valentin> re 16:54 < valentin> mnemoc: i know that it is ancient 16:55 < valentin> wtf : can someone explain to me, how this picture works: http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/8232/move9yr.gif 16:55 < valentin> there are 12 persons on it and after transformation there are 13 ?! 16:55 < owl> re 17:20 < mnemoc> welcome owl 17:29 < owl> hi mnemoc . thx ;) 17:29 < mnemoc> owl: are you here to stay or just visiting? 17:31 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: didn't have time to do much 17:31 < owl> well. . still visiting and looking how good (or maybe bad???) t2 is - i will try to install it and so on a rx6000 17:31 < _Ragnar_> but quite a few kernel patches seem to not work 17:31 < owl> rs6000 17:31 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: on 2.1 or trunk? 17:31 < owl> hi _Ragnar_ 17:31 < _Ragnar_> trunk 17:32 < mnemoc> owl: we don't have 'advanced cross compiling' like rock emulation fubar... but native builds are far more mature imo 17:33 < owl> mnemoc: hehe. well. i will have a look. still ahve to unpack the rs6000 (still in car, cuz my bf is sleeping*g*9 and burn the cd i am currently downloading :) 17:34 < mnemoc> owl: :) 17:34 < owl> yeah ;) 17:34 < owl> (sorry for my typso. i am downloading and the lag is quite high) 17:34 < mnemoc> owl: anyway, our plans are to do _real_ full cross compilation 17:35 < mnemoc> owl: no problem :) 17:35 < owl> real full cross compiliation? - v? 17:35 < owl> btw, greets from calypso ;) 17:35 < _Ragnar_> how's that supposed to work? 17:36 < mnemoc> owl: calypso = rat? bird? bf? 17:36 < mnemoc> horse? dog? cat? 17:36 < owl> hamster :) 17:36 < mnemoc> :) 17:37 < owl> *g* 17:38 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: detecting what was build to be executed, and then knowing what has to be cross compilied and/or natively compiled, and improve cmd_wrapper 17:40 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: but of course there is lot of design to do 17:40 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: foo-% has priority 17:43 < _Ragnar_> :D 17:58 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.254.14.90] has joined #t2 17:58 < keinek> hi 17:59 < mnemoc> hi keinek-chan 18:09 < CIA-4> amery * r11470 /tags/2.1.0-rc3/: * tagged 2.1.0-rc3, the last rc - only hotfixes until 2.1.0 18:12 < jsaw> re 18:13 < mnemoc> %topic set 2 2.1.0-rc3 TAGGED 18:13 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | BT http://torrent.t2-project.org/ 18:13 < jsaw> mnemoc: is there still the scientific/root error in your tree? 18:13 < mnemoc> jsaw: yes 18:13 < jsaw> wait a sec 18:13 < mnemoc> even removing -s 18:14 < mnemoc> jsaw: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/5-root.err 18:14 < CIA-4> jsaw * r11471 /trunk/package/scientific/root/namespace-imp-fix.patch: * try to fix root (untested) 18:14 < jsaw> please try this 18:14 < jsaw> (just created, but my computer will need over an hour...) 18:15 < mnemoc> minute 18:17 < mnemoc> jsaw: thesis accepted? 18:17 < jsaw> this will take some time... 18:17 < mnemoc> == 12:29:06 =[5]=> Building scientific/root [4.02.00 2.1.0-rc3]. 18:17 < jsaw> oh damn, power supply still in lab and battery is low...cu later 18:18 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 18:34 < mnemoc> jsaw: gcc34 problem now :) 18:37 < jsaw> re 18:37 < jsaw> is it at geeks.cl? 18:38 < jsaw> yes it is 18:44 < owl> hi jsaw 18:45 < jsaw> hi owl 18:48 < owl> sigh. no swaret-package for svn. :( 18:49 < jsaw> ? 18:49 < mnemoc> slackware thingy 18:49 < mnemoc> subversion? 18:50 < owl> subversion. i looked in the swaret-package-db if there is one, but luck... have to use the cpu's power then ;) 18:50 < mnemoc> :) 18:58 < owl> oh god. iam downloading with isdn-speed... ok. less than isdn O_O 18:58 < mnemoc> svn or t2? 18:59 < owl> svn. :( 19:00 < owl> huh? andreas v. meier = netrunner, isn't he? 19:01 < mnemoc> yes 19:01 < mnemoc> why? 19:01 < owl> O_O 19:01 < mnemoc> why? 19:02 < owl> just read the mail... - and i am confused :) thought he is still at rock? 19:02 < CIA-4> jsaw * r11472 /trunk/package/scientific/root/namespace-imp-fix.patch: * revert 11471 (does not work out) 19:02 < mnemoc> owl: afaik yes.... what mail? 19:02 < mnemoc> jsaw: :( 19:03 < jsaw> mnemoc: I know the error is there at this point, I'm only not sure how to solve it... 19:03 < owl> Re: [t2] Emerge-Pkg -fetch-only option <- this mail. just arrived some minutes ago 19:04 < mnemoc> oh 19:04 < owl> yes ;) 19:13 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 19:28 < _Ragnar_> moin 19:29 < mnemoc> moin _Ragnar_ 19:30 < jsaw> dinner..., cu 19:30 < owl> jsaw: "guten hunger" 19:31 < owl> hi _Ragnar_ 20:33 < owl> hrm. how to enter the bios at rs6000? 20:35 < mnemoc> owl: doesn't it come with a manual? 20:37 < valentin> owl: there is no bios 20:38 < valentin> there is this open firmware 20:40 < owl> nah. 20:40 < owl> and how to enter it? and change the boot-sequence? 20:40 < valentin> i do not know of hand how to enter :( but once you are in there you have to type sth like boot=xyz . i try to google for it 20:41 < valentin> there are some lines in the t2 handbook here : http://dl.exactcode.de/t2-handbook/html/t2-handbookse15.html but it does not say how to enter OF 20:41 < owl> http://adequat.c2a.fr/linux/howtos/rs6000 20:42 < owl> well. will have a try. thx :) 20:42 < owl> bbl. wish me luck ;) 20:43 < _Ragnar_> luck 20:43 < valentin> haha : http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=42672 20:43 < mnemoc> good luck owlinette 20:43 < valentin> they copied rene's old rocklinux instructions 20:43 < valentin> good luck 20:43 < valentin> Boot the RS/6000, and when Boot-Up Icons come up (Listen for a IBM boot up sound), Hit F8 to enter the Open Firmware. Prompt is a ">"; Type: 20:44 < mnemoc> "Now continue on with Stage2 stuff. See Rocklinux for a guide on the Kernel options. Get fancy by copying it to" 20:44 < valentin> well - you should not type that what comes next for it is bootdisk 20:44 < valentin> owl: try boot=cdrom or boot=cd or so ... 20:44 < valentin> or boot cdrom and so on 20:54 < owl> what after "boot cdrom,\linux root=/dev/cdrom load_ramdisk=1" ? 20:55 < owl> is linux correct? and whats the default-dev of cdrom? *confused* 20:56 < valentin> ouhm, i do not think you need to specify a kernel command line 20:57 < valentin> because there is a working yaboot on the cd 20:57 < valentin> irc you just need to bootstrap the cdrom somehow 20:57 < valentin> what happens when you type "boot cd" or "boot cdrom" ? 21:04 < owl> hmmm. 21:05 < owl> unrecognized client program format 21:05 < owl> nahg 21:05 < owl> unrecognized client program formatstate not valid 21:10 < valentin> arrr 21:10 < valentin> does it access the cdrom ? 21:10 < owl> yeah 21:17 < valentin> hm 21:17 < valentin> which rs6k do you have ? 21:17 < owl> rs/6000 43p-150 21:20 < valentin> hm. to be honest i have no idea... maybe you can wait utill monday when rxr is here again ? he is the rs6k specialist 21:21 < owl> yeah. but i will try ;) 21:21 < owl> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-macppc/2002/09/18/0000.html 21:21 < owl> just need to find out where the dumb ; exists on the us-keyboard 21:28 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:28 < valentin> where the 'oe' is on the german one 21:29 < owl> yeah, found it. thx. but didn't help, too 21:31 < owl> hrm. is it possible to do a bootdisk via cdrom? 21:33 < valentin> what exactly do you mean ? 21:36 < _Ragnar_> gcj: can't specify '-D' without '--main' 21:37 < _Ragnar_> in gcc on trunk while building java 21:40 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 21:47 < owl> well. 2.1.0-beta3-powerpc-powerpc-bootdisk/ <- this thing packing onto a floppy or so? 21:48 < owl> btw, is a rs6000 like i have really powerpc-optimized? i don't think so, ...? 21:51 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: file an issue for rene's gcc4.0 battlefield 21:52 < _Ragnar_> *g* 21:53 < owl> shit. damn. crap. 21:53 < owl> 2.1.0-beta3-powerpc-powerpc-750-desktop/ <- guss here the dead dog is hidden 21:53 < owl> have no g3 ;) 21:54 < _Ragnar_> O_O 21:54 < owl> _Ragnar_: ? 21:54 < _Ragnar_> there are still g3s out there?:) 21:55 < owl> dunno :) i've just got an rs6000 - but no applestuff ;) 21:56 < _Ragnar_> what processor is that? O_O 21:56 < owl> ok. - and now the 100-point-question: how to get linux on that machine? :) 21:56 < owl> powerpc 21:56 < _Ragnar_> ah 21:58 < owl> btw, having a live-cd and compiling t2 shoudl work, shouldn't it? 22:00 < owl> what aboiut debilian "businesscard-image" burned onto cd...? is there enought stuff on the cd to build a system? e.g. gcc, (ccache...)? 22:00 < owl> mount of course... 22:01 < _Ragnar_> I doubt it 22:01 < owl> damnit. 22:01 < owl> well. but the thin/error should only occur cuz of the optimization, or am i wrong? 22:02 < _Ragnar_> which error? 22:03 < owl> this one: unrecognized client program formatstate not valid 22:05 < _Ragnar_> oh 22:06 < _Ragnar_> where does this error occur? in the openprom? 22:06 < owl> yeah 22:10 < owl> why do you ask? 22:11 < _Ragnar_> well that's not related to the distribution / processor then 22:12 < _Ragnar_> and I have no clue why it would execute 'format' when you try to boot a cd 22:13 < owl> hmmm. iam not sure. it tries to boot from cd (accesses it) - and then throws the error... 22:13 < _Ragnar_> hmmm openprom has it's own lisp-like language afaik 22:14 < _Ragnar_> but it's years since I used one 22:14 < owl> i dunno. 22:14 < _Ragnar_> don't really remember anything :/ 22:14 < owl> and today it's my first day using it :) 22:14 < _Ragnar_> might have to wait for rxr 22:15 < _Ragnar_> =) 22:15 < owl> well... why does it not thorw an error when inserting i386-cd? it just doesnt boot... but when an powerpc-cd is inserted, it tries to boot and fails. so i guess that there is really just a problem with optimiziation... 22:19 < owl> hmmm. my theory is hardened by crux... ("imp.ly wont book"....) 22:19 < owl> http://cruxppc.sunsite.dk/releases/2.0/misc/handbook.html#Supported-Harware 22:24 < _Ragnar_> ok O_O bbl, food 22:25 < owl> hehe ;) 22:25 < owl> enjoy the food 22:57 < CIA-4> amery * r11473 /branches/2.1/scripts/parse-config: * changed branches/2.1 version to 2.1-stable, so we can distinguish between svn and releases all the time, and people using svn wont need to rename their build/* on each release. (thanks rene for improving mirror.cgi) 23:08 < mnemoc> have to go to a marriage.... cu 23:09 < owl> O_O bye mnemoc --- Log closed Sat Sep 03 00:00:27 2005