--- Log opened Thu Aug 25 00:00:00 2005
00:08 < mnemoc> morfoh: done
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02:24 < mnemoc> jsaw: did you get answers in regard to weak ssp?
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02:57 < keinek> hi
03:00 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
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05:38 < Baldzius> good morning
05:40 < sparc-kly> here 11:39pm :D 
05:41 < Baldzius> here 06:29 am :)
05:42 < Baldzius> damn desktop target build fails on 5 stage linux 2.6, cannot stat /bin/pdksh
05:43 < Baldzius> manually changed to X pdksh in configs pkglist
05:44 < Baldzius> i guess it should be fixed
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07:28 < rxr> re
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07:31 < Baldzius> hi rxr, can you look at gawk 3.1.5? 
07:31 < Baldzius> it doesn't compile
07:32 < Baldzius> error applying patch
07:32 < Baldzius> from dietlibc
07:33 < rxr> Baldzius: oh
07:33 < rxr> what target do you build ?
07:33 < Baldzius> desktop
07:33 < Baldzius> now
07:33 < Baldzius> but error i got on bootdisc target
07:34 < Baldzius> i reverted from 3.1.5 to 3.1.4
07:35 < Baldzius> also there is issue with kernel 2.6 building dektop target , look above
07:36 < Baldzius> cp complains that it can't stat /bin/pdksh
07:36 < Baldzius> i had to include it manually
07:36 < Baldzius> then everything worked
07:36 < rxr> Baldzius: can you open trac issues?
07:37 < Baldzius> anonymous allowed?
07:39 < rxr> zep
07:39 < rxr> yep even
07:40 < Baldzius> should i fill both?
07:42 < Baldzius> mnemoc and morfoh know about gawk
07:42 < Baldzius> i told them yesterday
07:43 < rxr> please fil 
07:43 < rxr> fill .-)
07:44 < Baldzius> ok but i have to reboot to gentoo
07:45 < Baldzius> now i am sitting on minimal
07:45 < Baldzius> and my new t2 system isn't ready yet
07:46 < Baldzius> so i could do it after some time
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07:49 < Baldzius> i don't want to abort xorg compile :)
07:55 < rxr> no problem just submit later or so
07:55 < Baldzius> ok
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08:09 < Baldzius> rxr once you said there shouldn't be any files in /lib/pkconfig
08:09 < Baldzius> now i build desktop target and i have at least 6 files in my build dir
08:12 < Baldzius> same with bootdisk target
08:30 < Baldzius> those files are e2fsprogs
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08:32 < morfoh> moin
08:33 < Baldzius> moin :)
08:33 < morfoh> hey moin Baldzius :)
08:34 < Baldzius> hey "currywurst morfoh" :)
08:35 < morfoh> Baldzius: haha ... do you know Currywurst ? 
08:35 < morfoh> Baldzius: btw, where are you from
08:35 < Baldzius> no
08:35 < morfoh> ?
08:35 < Baldzius> lithuania
08:35 < morfoh> aha!
08:36 < Baldzius> i am big fat lithuanian guy :)
08:36 < morfoh> Baldzius: oh! that doesn't sound easy :)
08:37 < Baldzius> yeah , like from godzilla, the size matters :)
08:37 < morfoh> Baldzius: if you were a german I'
08:37 < morfoh> d say you had too much Currywurst :p
08:37 < Baldzius> :))))))))))
08:38 < morfoh> :)
08:38 < Baldzius> if you were lithuanian and would live with grandparents you won't be needed currywurst :)
08:39 < morfoh> Baldzius: I can imagine ... same here
08:39 < morfoh> Baldzius: my grandma allways complains that I have to eat more
08:39 < Baldzius> i believe :)
08:39 < Baldzius> same here :)))
08:40 < morfoh> Baldzius: in fact, when I was young and living with my parents I was sth. like a cube :)
08:41 < Baldzius> _lol_ :)
08:43 < Baldzius> ok morfoh it's pleasure to talk with you , you are really ql guy :)
08:44 < Baldzius> i have to reboot i promised rxr to fill some issues on trac
08:46 < Baldzius> funny package libgpg-error
08:46 < morfoh> ok ... thanks
08:47 < Baldzius> :)
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08:47 < morfoh> Baldzius: but I don't considering myself as a cool guy :p
08:51 < rxr> morfoh: do we want to convert trunk to full? modular X ?
08:52 < rxr> fully even
08:52 < morfoh> rxr: moin moin :)
08:52 < rxr> moin morfoh 
08:52 < morfoh> rxr: does it work ?
08:52 < rxr> have not tried
08:53 < morfoh> rxr: can you tell me a bit about the pros and cons ?
08:53 < rxr> but I'm thinking about rather making trunk instable once ..
08:53 < rxr> not twice (first gcc 4 and then modular X 7.0 or what it is named)
08:54 < morfoh> rxr: I think you have all the rights to do so ;)
08:54 < morfoh> rxr: and trunk is development, and you are our core architect :)
08:55 < rxr> modular X is such a huge win - I think we should adapt early rather than later
08:55 < morfoh> rxr: so ... if someone needs a stable version he/she should use branches or tags anyway
08:55 < rxr> btw. I'm typing on this new sub-notebook with xglr ati driver loaded
08:55 < rxr> though it does not work perfectly ...
08:55 < rxr> the ati driver that is ...
08:55 < morfoh> rxr: thew MSI ?
08:56 < rxr> yep
08:56 < rxr> fast like hell
08:56 < morfoh> rxr: cool :)
08:56 < morfoh> rxr: you have to bring it with you if you'll visit me :p
08:56 < morfoh> rxr: and heating problems ?
08:56 < rxr> model name      : AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology MT-30
08:57 < rxr> cpu MHz         : 1591.886
08:57 < rxr> cache size      : 1024 KB
08:57 < rxr> bogomips        : 3121.15
08:57 < rxr> morfoh: I find it cool
08:57 < rxr> in the iBook region
08:57 < rxr> fan is not really noisy
08:57 < morfoh> rxr: sounds good 
08:57 < morfoh> rxr: and if you paid around 1000 Euro it's even better ?
08:58 < rxr> yep 1035 EUR
08:58 < morfoh> and the display
08:58 < rxr> 12" 1280x800 wide screen
08:59 < rxr> very sharp, no defect pixel, wide angle, very bright
08:59 < rxr> I started a 64bit build yesterday
08:59 < morfoh> rxr: btw, if you don't want it anymore I somebody who would like to have it :p
08:59 < rxr> desktop
08:59 < morfoh> know
08:59 < rxr> it was powered down over the night and it is know at 5-pcre
09:00 < rxr> this beast for the orig. price?
09:00 < rxr> oh / w-lan does not work
09:00 < rxr> cisco ipn2220 or so chip with no GPL driver
09:00 < rxr> ndiswrapper would do ..
09:00 < rxr> even with 64bit kernel
09:00 < rxr> maybe I do this ..
09:00 < rxr> or I plug in my pcmcia w-lan card ...
09:03 < rxr> bluethooth works ...
09:03 < rxr> 3 usb ports / 2 on one / 1 on the other side
09:03 < rxr> and a card reader ...
09:04 < rxr> I stil have to setup suspend some time later
09:16 < morfoh> rxr: anyway ... the specs are nice ... :)
09:17 < morfoh> oh! holy shit ... inkscape is now functioning :D
09:24 < morfoh> http://www.freace.de/artikel/200508/240805b.html <-- the U.S. warheads have just shit in their heads
09:27 < morfoh> they really want to fuck the world and provoking WW3
09:32 < _Ragnar_> there are in no other country so many stupid people with absolutely no clue whatever who are not just not afraid to show their ignorance to everyone, but also shout it out and want to drag everyone down to their level
09:34 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: ack 
09:34 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: moin btw 
09:34 < _Ragnar_> moin :)
09:36 < _Ragnar_> and anyway, a lot of ppl in the higher echelons of the US government are heavily influenced by mossad
09:36 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: "Fighting for freedom of stupidity"
09:36 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr*
09:37 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: ack .. the P*gon is highly influenced my mossad
09:49 < Shingo--> hi, folks
09:52 < morfoh> moin Shingo-- :)
09:52 < Shingo--> the ./scripts/Check-Deps-3 is needed to work ./scripts/Create-ErrList. where are this file?
09:52 < Shingo--> I had found /scripts/Check-Deps-1, but 1 isn't 3. :)
09:52 < Shingo--> morfoh: moin
09:53 < Shingo--> :)
09:58 < CIA-9> rene * r11257 /trunk/package/filesystem/unionfs/unionfs.conf: * fixed unionfs for some 64bit archs by removing -Werror
09:59 < _Ragnar_> nini
09:59 < CIA-9> rene * r11258 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/types.h-x86_64.patch: * fixed dietlibc __kernel_size_t for x86_64:
09:59 < rxr> n8 _Ragnar_ 
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10:10 < Baldzius> smth mysterious about gawk 3.1.5
10:11 < Baldzius> yesteday it didn't compile
10:11 < Baldzius> today it doesn't try to apply dietlibc patch
10:11 < Baldzius> or i miss smth
10:12 < Baldzius> i should learn how to get list of revisions
10:13 < Shingo--> rxr: did you see my last question? can you help me?
10:13 < Shingo--> are a bug in ./scripts/Create-ErrList?
10:25 < morfoh> Baldzius: afaik you reverted gawk things locally 
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10:33 < Baldzius> morfoh: i've re-reverted :)
10:34 < Baldzius> rxr asked me to fill issue but i deleted logs
10:34 < Baldzius> so i had to restore
10:34 < Baldzius> and then everything worked
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11:04 < rxr> re
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11:27 < rxr> Baldzius: so you did not filt them in?
11:27 < rxr> fill even
11:27 < rxr> Shingo--: the Dep scripts are obsolete and most got removed
11:27 < rxr> what issue do you have with Create-ErrList ?
11:28 < Baldzius> rxr i filled related to linux-2.6 compile issue in desktop target
11:28 < rxr> and the other isse - ah gawk that was ...
11:28 < Baldzius> and why there is dir /lib/pkgconfig
11:28 < Baldzius> well it is myterious
11:28 < Baldzius> look above
11:28 < rxr> when you build some packages withotu beeing selected they have no config and install in prefix /
11:28 < rxr> which is wrong ... and happens accidently ...
11:29 < Baldzius> but e2fsprogs are selected
11:29 < Baldzius> i build targets
11:29 < rxr> the scripts should not alllow building deselected and thus unconfigured packages
11:29 < Baldzius> bootdisk & dekstop
11:29 < Baldzius> i remember what you've said about that
11:30 < Baldzius> when i installed minimal iso there is that dir
11:30 < Baldzius> with 6 e2fsprogs files
11:31 < Baldzius> and what happened with gawk i can't understand
11:31 < Baldzius> yesterday it failed of dietlibc patch
11:31 < Baldzius> today it doesn't try to apply that
11:33 < Baldzius> and besides i got another dektop target build error
11:33 < morfoh> Baldzius: normally dietlibc specific patches will just applied if you select the desired package to build with diet support
11:33 < Baldzius> seems to me vorbis-tools needs curl
11:34 < Baldzius> morfoh: thanks :)
11:34 < morfoh> Baldzius: you're welcome :)
11:34 < Baldzius> but afaik i didn't make any changes in config
11:35 < Baldzius> but afair i didn't make any changes in config
11:35 < Baldzius> :)
11:35 < morfoh> Baldzius: perhaps you played around with an embedded target ?
11:35 < Baldzius> morfoh: nope
11:35 < Baldzius> i jus was doing target build
11:36 < morfoh> Baldzius: then I don't know what problem it could be
11:36 < Baldzius> me2 :)
11:36 < morfoh> Baldzius: good ... at least I'm not alone then :)
11:36 < Baldzius> who's responsible for packages including in targets like desktop?
11:37 < morfoh> Baldzius: there are package maintainers _and_ target maintainers
11:37 < Baldzius> i mean selecting them X or O by default
11:37 < Baldzius> i got second package whitch breaks build
11:38 < Baldzius> first was , i cant remeber smt like dpgsh
11:38 < Baldzius> and now curl
11:38 < morfoh> Baldzius: for every bug you find it wouldbe nice if you could open a ticket at trac.t2-project.org ;)
11:38 < Baldzius> yeah yeah
11:38 < Baldzius> i did that :)
11:38 < morfoh> Baldzius: ok ok :)
11:38 < Baldzius> now when i restarted build
11:39 < Baldzius> i've got another one :)
11:39 < morfoh> Baldzius: I know it's sometimes a bit annoying to file an issue but it helps us to keep track
11:40 < Baldzius> i understand, that's why i am here
11:40 < Baldzius> i am the bugs hunter :)
11:40 < morfoh> Baldzius: as you might noticed  we're not so many people here ... at least for now, and any helpo is appreciated anyway :)
11:40 < Baldzius> or reporter
11:41 < Baldzius> morfoh: i like it, my life is full of bugs :))))))))
11:42 < Baldzius> honestlly: i like t2 more than gentoo
11:42 < Baldzius> it is so damn fast!
11:42 < morfoh> Baldzius: thank you ... T2 is a good choice and not that crappy like gentoo 
11:43 < Baldzius> like ferrari
11:43 < morfoh> Baldzius: /me also switched from gentoo to t2 ;)
11:43 < morfoh> Baldzius: and getting help on #t2 is even much more easier than on #gentoo
11:43 < Baldzius> i'am tired of those ACCEPT_KEYWORDS typings :))))
11:44 < Baldzius> yeah 
11:44 < Baldzius> that's the one of billion reasons why i'm here :)
11:45 < morfoh> Baldzius: it seems that the small but fine t2 community is a bit more professional than gentoo, especially regarding user support and communication skills :)
11:45 < morfoh> besides the fact that our system is more mature and flexible :p
11:45 < Baldzius> morfoh: :)
11:46 < Baldzius> i know that's why i'm building desktop target :)
11:47 < Baldzius> and i am really happy when i have build error
11:47 < Baldzius> it makes my brain to work
11:49 < valentin> hi
11:49 < Baldzius> moin valentin :)
11:50 < valentin> hi Baldzius 
11:51 < valentin> i just notice that you are baldzius, i always read bazillus
11:52 < Baldzius> :)))
11:53 < morfoh> moin valentin :)
11:53 < morfoh> Bazillus is also nice nick name :)
11:54 < morfoh> especially for a bug hunter :)
11:54 < Baldzius> MIB :)
11:54 < valentin> morfoh: what about BBQ/BYOBB this weekend ?
11:55 < morfoh> valentin: it depends on the weather 
11:55 < morfoh> valentin: you're our best "weather frog" here 
11:55 < morfoh> valentin: what do you think ?
11:55 < valentin> i did not take a look at the predictions yet
11:57 < valentin> sat afternoon will be quite ok, but weather will get unstable in the evening
11:57 < valentin> maybe there will be rain
11:57 < valentin> did you see the flare yesterday ? quite clear sky.
11:58 < Shingo--> Baldzius: I had read you chat with morfoh, I think you had came to T2 for same reasons then I have. :)
11:58 < morfoh> valentin: unfortunately I forgot about the flare thingy :/
11:59 < morfoh> valentin: was it nice ?
11:59 < Baldzius> Shingo--: :)
11:59 < valentin> center was in alt-moabit. i am 11km away from that, but it still was very bright
11:59 < morfoh> ok now that we'
11:59 < morfoh> ve some ex-gentoo users
11:59 < Shingo--> rxr: Is not a problem I'm just see the script show the message and I just want to known if was really a bug.
11:59 < Shingo--> when I use the option -showdepc to test. 
11:59 < morfoh> here, it would be nice if you could provide some gfacts why you changed .)
12:00 < valentin> #t2, the gentoo bashers channel :)
12:00 < Baldzius> :)
12:01 < Baldzius> change Gentoo Accepts_Keywords to T2 trunk :))
12:01 < Shingo--> Baldzius: I'm like soh much from debian too, but debian have your propose.
12:01 < Shingo--> Baldzius: :)
12:01 < morfoh> valentin: no no! I don't want to bash gentoo but I think we should collect as much reasons as possible ;)
12:01 < Shingo--> T2 had fit smooth with my needs. :)
12:02 < morfoh> .oO( I think I should add a propaganda category in trac ) :p
12:02 < Baldzius> yeah
12:02 < Baldzius> Get The Facts! :)))))))))))
12:03 < Baldzius> sponsored by Billy Willy
12:03 < Baldzius> :)
12:03 < morfoh> but really, it would be nice if some of you could write down some personal facts to the ML
12:03 < Baldzius> well i could
12:03 < Baldzius> but in lithuanian :))
12:03 < morfoh> Baldzius: thanks :)
12:03 < Baldzius> hehehe
12:04 < morfoh> Baldzius: then I'll consult the babelfish :)
12:05 < Baldzius> :)
12:05 < morfoh> ok guys ... cu later
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12:11 < bfg> Hi
12:11 < Shingo--> bfg: Hi
12:12 < bfg> what happened to the bootdisk stage1 in trunk? if have some big troubles to do something meaningful with it. 
12:13 < Baldzius> i got my bootdisk target coplete yesterday night
12:13 < Shingo--> what you mean?
12:13 < bfg> sure it builds, but after boot it completely fails detecting any hardware modules.
12:14 < bfg> it also is missing some essential modules to access ide-devices
12:14 < bfg> and the hwscan script fails
12:14 < bfg> booting up with linux24 doesn't work because of missing devfs and linux26 lacks some configuration for udev
12:15 < bfg> so if there are no devices or a possibility to load the correct modules, i can't load stage2
12:15 < Baldzius> fill issue on trac
12:15 < Baldzius> they tell me that every time :)
12:15 < bfg> to fill in an issue on trac? (telling every time)
12:16 < Baldzius> if there is any problem
12:16 < Baldzius> i filled 2 today
12:16 < Baldzius> so and you can write down your own
12:16 < bfg> currently i'm more interested what changes were made so that i can try to fix this. the problem with missing modules is easy to solve.
12:17 < bfg> the problem with hwscan is a bit more complicated but also not to hard to solve
12:18 < Baldzius> in that case make patches and send to ML
12:18 < bfg> the biggest issue would be in udev-config and linuxrc. (linuxrc uses some hardcoded device-names to detect cdrom and floppy so it is possible to change linuxrc or udev config)
12:18 < Baldzius> or wait for rxr :)
12:18 < bfg> but knowing what and in which way to do would be easier if i know what happened
12:19 < Baldzius> i really don't know i am here for week :)
12:20 < bfg> too bad :)
12:22 < bfg> another question, what is the big advantage of kiss? as i see, it is not that functional and it is not so small.
12:23 < bfg> for example busybox is not much bigger, much mor functional
12:23 < bfg> or another example would be ash from klibc
12:26 < Shingo--> bfg: I don't like from kiss too, but I'm not using it all time. :)
12:26 < Shingo--> But I would like to known why remain something a bit unfunctional.
12:27 < bfg> ok... gawk seems to have problems to execute the cat command of kiss so hwscan fails
12:27 < bfg> and ls doesn't interpret any parameters
12:27 < Shingo--> some know have any ideas about this?
12:27 < Shingo--> Re-running configuration:
12:27 < Shingo--> -> Creating configuration script.
12:27 < Shingo--> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08092560 ***
12:27 < Shingo--> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08092560 ***
12:27 < Shingo--> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08092560 ***
12:27 < Shingo--> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08092560 ***
12:27 < Shingo--> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08092560 ***
12:27 < Shingo--> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08092560 ***
12:28 < bfg> Shingo--: sorry never happened to mee, but there were some similar error-messages some days ago on irc. maybe you can find someting in the logs
12:29 < Shingo--> I had used busybox before but I think it's a week too, but I don't known about how hard to implents that function
12:29 < Shingo--> bfg: tnks :)
12:30 < Shingo--> bfg: but it not really a problem, the system goes on. :)
12:31 < bfg> Shingo--: that's true :)
12:31 < bfg> any tipps how i do a manual install of a t2 build?
12:33 < bfg> i've found it in the handbook
12:33 < Shingo--> manual?
12:33 < Shingo--> well, for me svn co svn://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk is a manual install, no?
12:33 < bfg> it's called Direct Installation thre
12:34 < Shingo--> bfg: ok. tnks
12:40 < rxr> valentin: the AV210 delivered a scan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:40 < rxr> ok - but lunch first ...
12:40 < rxr> must be blinded all the days I tracked that overlooking some tiny bit is not set as it should for that device ...
12:43 < bfg> Shingo--: maybe it we had a little misunderstanding about manual installation before. I meant installing the built distro. In the handbook a manual installation is called Direct Installation. (means, not using the bootdisk or the provided installer)
12:44 < Shingo--> :)
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14:07 < morfoh> re hi
14:08 < morfoh> .oO( it's a real pain if you live together with 1 gentoo + 1 ubuntu user )o :p
14:09 < Shingo--> hi, :)
14:09 < morfoh> hi Shingo-- :)
14:09 < Shingo--> morfoh: not really
14:09 < morfoh> Shingo--: sure 
14:10 < Shingo--> My brother is Gentoo user... but like gentoo user in vain.
14:10 < morfoh> Shingo--: I mean ... the ubuntu user is somewhat "disabled" if he has no graphical windows like frontend
14:10 < morfoh> Shingo--: of course ubuntu user is the most stressing :p
14:11 < morfoh> .oO( damn ... I'm not pc ) :p
14:11 < Shingo--> I think not, It's a problem of person not really of distro. I think.
14:12 < morfoh> Shingo--: ack ... mostly you're right  
14:12 < morfoh> mnemonkey around ?
14:12 < Shingo--> For me, Ubuntu as like Debian, but always on flames...
14:13 < morfoh> on flames ?
14:14 < morfoh> for me Ubuntu=Debian ... but Ubuntu is the capitalists version of Debian :p
14:14 < Shingo--> Well, I was talk about "Debian Unstable" always in flames.
14:15 < Baldzius> the roof is on fire :)
14:15 < morfoh> hmmm ... dunno. I don't understand the way of debian developing ... 
14:15 < Shingo--> I known the true story behind of Ubuntu, I had used. But it's too young...
14:16 < morfoh> Baldzius: drink some water and let it out while standing on the roof :)
14:16 < Baldzius> :)))
14:16 < morfoh> Baldzius: you could even climb on some Ubuntu CD'S
14:17 < Shingo--> what you don't understand of the Debian way? 
14:17 < Baldzius> yeah, my friend got 5 :)
14:17 < morfoh> Shingo--: i.e. the conservative way regarding package updates 
14:18 < morfoh> Shingo--: their endless discussions about nothing 
14:18 < morfoh> Shingo--: so mostly everything is delayed in debian
14:19 < Baldzius> morfoh: the first part really anoying
14:19 < Baldzius> i prefer everything the latest even if it is unstable :)
14:19 < morfoh> Shingo--: why I shouldn't update a package if the developer says that is stable ?
14:20 < Shingo--> Well, because this way I think the Debian are the only one Distro capable to do an distro upgrade smoothly.
14:20 < morfoh> Shingo--: joe Debian says: "for security reasons" ... but mostly he forgets that his old crappy package is more a security problem
14:21 < Shingo--> Not developer but the distro say that.
14:21 < morfoh> Shingo--: I never experienced a smoothly debian update on a productive system ... sorry
14:22 < Shingo--> morfoh: Oh yeah there's a lot of problem, but they will be resolved them at the time.
14:22 < morfoh> Shingo--: of course ... and meanwhile they carrying the old package crap with them
14:22 < rxr> re
14:22 < Shingo--> morfoh: well, there's the guideline to do this.
14:22 < morfoh> because they have too much fear I think 
14:23 < Shingo--> morfoh: it's true.
14:23 < morfoh> Shingo--: I think ... the original thoughts behind the  debian projects are quite good, but it became a "bureaucratic" monster
14:24 < morfoh> and some debian "heads" are mostly within some private "wars" between each other
14:25 < morfoh> ok one can't compare debian dan t2 development at least if you count the number of developers 
14:26 < morfoh> but t2 is a good example that you can produce a quite stable and up to date system with few people
14:26 < Shingo--> But we are on the right way to do the right thing I think.
14:27 < morfoh> Shingo--: yes of course 
14:27 < morfoh> Shingo--: i.e. you cannot satisfy all Joe's with one Distro
14:28 < Shingo--> morfoh: sorry, we are thinking the same things. and I'm slower to write in English.
14:28 < morfoh> Shingo--: productive systems are somehow unique
14:28 < morfoh> Shingo--: no problem :)
14:29 < morfoh> Shingo--: I think we both wouldn't be here if there were no shared ideas between us anyway :)
14:29 < Shingo--> I think all this problem is about "evolution".
14:29 < morfoh> oh! no it becomes interesting :)
14:29 < Shingo--> morfoh: heheh, that is correct.
14:29 < morfoh> now
14:31 < Baldzius> evolution is good: first dos, then Win 95-98 , then Redhat , then Gentoo and now T2 :)
14:33 < morfoh> Baldzius: so you mutated from an aardvark to a self-determining human being ... as most of us :p
14:33 < morfoh> :D
14:33 < Shingo--> The problem of all distros, are 'evolution', they wouldn't want a evolution.
14:34 < morfoh> Shingo--: ack ... that's not a distro problem ... it's the problem of human beings
14:34 < Shingo--> I don't known who had the idea to "create the future" of T2. But it's a great base to great level of evolution...
14:34 < morfoh> Shingo--: they don't want changes mostly
14:35 < Shingo--> morfoh: But, who made the distros?
14:35 < morfoh> Shingo--: mostly any development is started by special people with some visions
14:35 < Baldzius> it is fork from rock afaik
14:36 < Baldzius> or i am wrong
14:36 < morfoh> Shingo--: and now I'm coming back to communication skills 
14:37 < morfoh> Shingo--: if the people who started aren't able to establish a well formed communication others will not understand the "story" behind it
14:37 < morfoh> and are less motivated ... I think
14:37 < morfoh> Baldzius: yes ... t2 is a rock fork ... but that wasn't question I think ;)
14:37 < Shingo--> T2, don't limits anyone to create a distro/target to any path you want to go.
14:38 < Baldzius> yeah, my excuse :)
14:38 < morfoh> Shingo--: yep ... free people want to have a free choice :)
14:38 < morfoh> Baldzius: np
14:38 < Shingo--> morfoh: where are you living?
14:38 < morfoh> Shingo--: in T2-City :p
14:38 < Baldzius> good one :)
14:39 < morfoh> Shingo--: Berlin
14:40 < Shingo--> I think german are good people, But I don't belive in "margins" if you understand me
14:40 < morfoh> Shingo--: I think that you don't know germans :p
14:42 < morfoh> Shingo--: but you're right. the germans at T2 very good ones :)
14:42 < morfoh> are
14:42 < Shingo--> germans are only title, we are more then that.
14:42 < Shingo--> hehhehaha
14:42 < morfoh> Shingo--: besides me of course :p
14:43 < morfoh> Shingo--: /me is a little "enfant terrible" :p
14:44 < Shingo--> ok, no problem.
14:44 < Shingo--> :)
14:49 < morfoh> Shingo--: thank you :)
15:02 < morfoh> btw, how can I see the "away status" of someone in irssi ? 
15:04 < valentin> morfoh: query him ,)
15:05 < morfoh> valentin: that's a real hack :)
15:07 < morfoh> valentin: but how does irssi notifies me if I run /query joe ?
15:16 < rxr> re
15:16 < rxr> morfoh: do you have a running T2 build handy
15:16 < rxr> on a x86 box
15:16 < rxr> not 64 ...
15:16 < morfoh> yes ... of course
15:17 < rxr> can you chrot build/.../
15:17 < rxr> and run ps 
15:17 < rxr> and tell me if you box freezes ...?
15:17 < morfoh> nope
15:17 < rxr> I nailed it (my system hang) down to ps haning the box ...
15:17 < rxr> neither ps ax ?
15:17 < rxr> is your build trunk HEAD ?
15:17 < morfoh> works
15:18 < morfoh> nope ... switched some days ago from trunk -> 2.1
15:18 < rxr> hm
15:18 < morfoh> but I had no problems on trunk too
15:20 < rxr> hm - happens in my old livecd build as well
15:20 < rxr> strange
15:20 < rxr> what the hell is wrong on that box ...
15:20 < rxr> even kernel update does not change someting
15:20 < rxr> did from 2.6.11.x to 2.6.12.latest
15:21 < morfoh> rxr: I have latest 2.6.12 here
15:22 < rxr> hm
15:22 < rxr> even mount --bind / /mnt/misc
15:22 < rxr> chroot /mnt/misc
15:22 < rxr> mount none -t procfs /proc
15:22 < rxr> ps 
15:22 < rxr> freezes
15:23 < morfoh> rxr: hmmm ... as I told you. my former system was trunk, but I had not experienced any problem like this one 
15:24 < rxr> I also never did
15:24 < rxr> my x86-64 sub-notebook is also not affected
15:25 < rxr> though it is running a 64bit kernel right now ...
15:25 < Shingo--> rxr: what's freeze, all system?
15:25 < rxr> yep
15:26 < morfoh> rxr: your athlon ?
15:26 < rxr> ack
15:26 < Shingo--> well, let me test here...
15:26 < rxr> .oO
15:26 < rxr> I can reproduce this on the archivista box ...
15:27 < rxr> morfoh: is your system already running u/dev ... ?
15:27 < morfoh> nope 
15:27 < morfoh> rxr: I think that's the major difference that could be forcing the problem
15:28 < rxr> hm / our init s does not work
15:28 < rxr> oh my
15:28 < morfoh> rxr: and I wasn't using u/dev on my former system too
15:29 < Shingo--> well,  chroot build/livecd-2.2.0-alpha-x86-k6-3-livecd/
15:29 < Shingo--> bash-3.00# ps
15:29 < Shingo--> Error, do this: mount -t proc none /proc
15:29 < Shingo--> bash-3.00# mount -t proc none /proc
15:29 < Shingo--> bash-3.00# ps
15:29 < Shingo-->   PID TTY          TIME CMD
15:29 < Shingo-->  3157 ?        00:00:00 bash
15:29 < Shingo-->  4497 ?        00:00:00 bash
15:29 < Shingo-->  4583 ?        00:00:00 ps
15:29 < Shingo--> bash-3.00#
15:29 < rxr> Shingo--: what base system?
15:29 < rxr> t2 ?
15:29 < rxr> with or without udev ?
15:30 < Shingo--> but my kernel 2.6.11.12-dist, with udev. ;)
15:30 < Shingo--> build/default-2.2.0-alpha-x86-athlon-xp-desktop/
15:31 < rxr> Shingo--: what
15:31 < rxr> version of t2 is you running system?
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15:32 < Shingo--> rene, build/default-2.2.0-alpha-x86-athlon-xp-desktop/ this don't anwser the question?
15:33 < rxr> Shingo--: I mean your host system
15:33 < rxr> that is currently running ..
15:33 < morfoh> guys ... I've to take a short nap ... 
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15:33 < rxr> cu morfoh 
15:33 < morfoh> rxr: I think it's the host system
15:34 < morfoh> cu later all ;)
15:34 < karasz>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY karasz
15:34 < morfoh> btw, hi bfg + karasz 
15:34 < bfg> re hi
15:34 < karasz> hi morfoh
15:34 < karasz> hi everybody
15:34 < morfoh> karasz: still the old problem with your space in front of "/msg"
15:34 < karasz> :)
15:34 < morfoh> karasz: and you didn't changed the password .... 
15:35 < morfoh> .oO( shaking head )o :)
15:35 < karasz> i trust keinek ;)
15:35 < Shingo--> that is my ruining host x86
15:35 < karasz> everything ok?
15:35 < morfoh> karasz: seems you're trusting anybody here ... + the whole internet :)
15:35 < karasz> how is everybody?
15:36 < morfoh> karasz: how was the holyday trip ?
15:36 < karasz> unforgetable
15:36 < morfoh> karasz: why ? 
15:36 < karasz> Greece is very nice
15:37 < morfoh> karasz: where in greece have you been ?
15:37 < karasz> Kos
15:37 < Shingo--> karasz: I'm fine, and you?
15:37 < karasz> Shingo--: after holiday you can imagine
15:38 < morfoh> karasz: ah! Kos ... yeah I've never been there, but my parents. and they had the same impression :)
15:38 < karasz> morfoh: i saw that you are leaving
15:38 < Shingo--> Yes, ;)
15:38 < karasz> i do not want to retain you
15:38 < morfoh> karasz: yes ... I just wanted to talk with you before taking a short nap 
15:38 < karasz> we will share impresion later, tomorrow maybe ok?
15:39 < morfoh> karasz: no prob, I'll be here again in about 1.5h 
15:39 < karasz> sorry but now i am in a bit of hurry because i have some guests that i should look after
15:39 < rxr> oehm
15:39 < rxr> this hangs my system:
15:39 < rxr> for x in /proc/*/fd/* ; do
15:39 < rxr> echo $x
15:39 < rxr> done
15:40 < rxr> when run in a changeroot
15:40 < karasz> cu all
15:41 < karasz> morfoh: we'll talk tomorrow if it is ok with you
15:43 < karasz> by everybody
15:43 < karasz> i mean bye :)
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15:43 < morfoh> cu karasz 
15:46 < rxr> morfoh: what is you system kernel optmized for?
15:49 < morfoh> rxr: x86/P4
15:51 < CIA-9> gweis * r11259 /trunk/package/gnome2/nautilus-cd-burner/nautilus-cd-burner.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to nautilus-cd-burner
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16:01 [Users #t2]
16:01 [ [Kosh]  ] [ bfg  ] [ jsaw  ] [ mtr] [ SerWou      ] [ valentin] 
16:01 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-9] [ menomc] [ nzg] [ Shingo--    ] 
16:01 [ Baldzius] [ dsoul] [ morfoh] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly|G3] 
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16:04 < rxr> morfoh: kernel built manually or via T2/
16:05 < morfoh> rxr: oh ... everytime I wanna go to my bed you asking new questions :)
16:05 < morfoh> rxr: custom linux.cfg
16:05 < morfoh> rxr: build with t2
16:05 < rxr> hm ok 
16:06 < rxr> thanks and sleep well
16:06 < morfoh> rxr: hehe thanks :)
16:06 < morfoh> rxr: should I send you the linux.cfg ?
16:07 < morfoh> rxr: or sth. else ?
16:07 < rxr> nope - not yet
16:07 < rxr> good n8
16:07 < morfoh> rxr: ok ...
16:07 < morfoh> rxr: thanks ... but it will just be a short nap ... so cu later :)
16:28 < CIA-9> rene * r11260 /trunk/package/ (base/mtr/ network/mtr/): * moved base/mtr -> network
16:32 < bfg> short commit question: do you prefer committing all no-as-needed changes at once or one commit per single package
16:33 < rxr> bfg: I usually prefer atomic commits like "fixed problem x"
16:34 < rxr> bfg: but please be sure to use the NO-AS-NEEDED flag not single patches
16:37 < bfg> rxr: yes sure, since this flag exists i change all patches to use this flag
16:46 < menomc> moin
16:47 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc
16:49 < mnemoc> Shingo--: did you try gnome-volumne-manager on runtime or just build?
16:54 < bfg> is there a possibility to conditionally remove gcc options? especially all -Wl options should be removed if -v is given
16:58 < mnemoc> bfg: on .conf playing with GCC_WRAPPER_{INSERT,APPEND,REMOVE}
16:59 < bfg> mnemoc: yes, but this WRAPPER options apply always not only in the case a -v is given
16:59 < mnemoc> do you want -v?
17:00 < bfg> pcmcia-cs is checking foc cc with -v. but if there is a -Wl,... then cc fails and configure complains about missing cc
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17:01 < mnemoc> bfg: a hack can be, remove -Wl on preconf and readdit on premake
17:01 < bfg> the other possibility would be to patch Configure to remove -v. it test only whether cc is executable
17:02 < bfg> no that don't work... sorry for the last comment
17:10 < rxr> we could fix gcc ...
17:14 < CIA-9> gweis * r11261 /trunk/package/network/dbus/dbus.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to dbus to fix package build
17:14 < CIA-9> gweis * r11262 /trunk/package/multimedia/transcode/transcode.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to transcode to fix package build
17:15 < CIA-9> gweis * r11263 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution/evolution.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to evolution to fix package build
17:16 < CIA-9> gweis * r11264 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution-data-server/evolution-data-server.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to evolution-data-server to fix package build
17:16 < CIA-9> gweis * r11265 /trunk/package/develop/openjade/openjade.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to openjade to fix runtime errors
17:17 < CIA-9> gweis * r11266 /trunk/package/develop/ocaml/ocaml.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to ocaml to fix package build
17:17 < CIA-9> gweis * r11267 /trunk/package/audio/ladspa/ladspa.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to ladspa to fix runtime errors
17:18 < CIA-9> gweis * r11268 /trunk/package/x11/shared-mime-info/shared-mime-info.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to shared-mime-info to fix runtime errors
17:18 < CIA-9> gweis * r11269 /trunk/package/gnome14/gtkmm12/gtkmm12.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to gtkmm12 to fix package build
17:19 < CIA-9> gweis * r11270 /trunk/package/gnome14/gnome-libs14/gnome-libs14.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to gnome-libs14 to fix package build
17:19 < CIA-9> gweis * r11271 /trunk/package/gnome14/gnomemm12/gnomemm12.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to gnomemm12 to fix package build
17:19 < CIA-9> gweis * r11272 /trunk/package/gnome14/oaf10/oaf10.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to oaf10 to fix package build
17:19 < mnemoc> bfg == gweis?
17:20 < CIA-9> gweis * r11273 /trunk/package/scientific/root/root.desc: * added NO-AS-NEEDED flag to root to fix package build
17:20 < bfg> yep
17:20 < bfg> just because of some problems with nick-reservation :)
17:21 < mnemoc> :)
17:22 < bfg> rxr: i think i will mark pcmcia-cs no-as-needed insted of fixing gcc :)
17:22 < mnemoc> what if --as-needed is injected on premake ?
17:23 < mnemoc> adding the hook on parse-config instead of the argument itself
17:23 < bfg> in parse-config of gcc?
17:25 < mnemoc> yes
17:26 < bfg> i will try it. i hope this has no impact to other package builds
17:26 < mnemoc> instead of simply var_append-ing on parse-config, add a hook for premake to do it
17:26 < rxr> btw. I already patch gcc to accept -Wl or so during normal copmpile
17:27 < mnemoc> :)
17:27 < rxr> I think normally it complains when you add it for a compile without inking
17:27 < rxr> thus maybe we should rething the global picture of this thing
17:27 < rxr> maybe better invent s.th. to the wrapper to add stuff conditionally or so ...
17:27 < rxr> so we need no gcc patch in the first place and only inject the flag for gcc invocation with linking ...
17:28 < mnemoc> "?COND: thing" where COND is an envvar?
17:29 < mnemoc> if the var is set, the thing is appended,inserted,removed?
17:29 < rxr> not an env var
17:29 < rxr> an argument
17:30 < rxr> if -shared prsent then also inject ...--as-needed
17:30 < mnemoc> "?-shared:--as-needed" ?
17:30 < bfg> or if -v or -c is given remove all -W,*
17:30 < rxr> you can not use a env to control since we do not "know" when gcc is called for linking 
17:30 < mnemoc> rxr: ack
17:30 < rxr> bfg: no - I think inject on condition
17:31 < mnemoc> the condition may be used also on _WRAPPER_REMOVE
17:31 < rxr> because currently I patch gcc to accept ..asneeded on non-linking invocations
17:31 < rxr> and I want to get rid of that patch
17:31 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
17:32 < mnemoc> "?expr:expr" and "?!expr:expr" <--- what about a syntax like this?
17:32 < mnemoc> or only 'positive'?
17:38 < CIA-9> gweis * r11274 /trunk/package/network/stunnel/stunnel.conf: * fixed stunnel: give configure a hint where to find openssl
17:38 < Baldzius> should i again fill issue on trac, that desktop target build fails because curl package is unselected?
17:39 < Baldzius> it aborts on vorbis-tools
17:39 < mnemoc> Baldzius: curl is a t2 requirement
17:39 < Baldzius> hm strange, but there were 0
17:39 < Baldzius> i changed to X
17:39 < CIA-9> gweis * r11275 /trunk/package/network/openh323/openh323.desc: * updated openh323 (1_15_2 -> 1_17_2) to build against current pwlib
17:40 < Baldzius> my pkgsel is empty
17:40 < mnemoc> Baldzius: it's target maintainer responsability to provide a safe pkgsel
17:41 < mnemoc> Baldzius: your fresh 'desktop' build has curl disabled??
17:42 < Baldzius> had
17:42 < Baldzius> yes
17:42 < Baldzius> and pdksh
17:43 < mnemoc> trunk?
17:43 < jsaw> re
17:43 < Baldzius> yes
17:43 < bfg> in my trunk-build vorbis-tools had a problem because of missing deps to libheimdal
17:44 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
17:44 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
17:45 < jsaw> mnemoc: no news from ssp guy... :(
17:45 < Baldzius> bfg: did you have problem with 2.6 kernel in 5'th stage?
17:45 < mnemoc> jsaw: :(
17:45 < bfg> Baldzius: nope
17:46 < Baldzius> hm strange
17:46 < Baldzius> i had to enable pdksh
17:46 < Baldzius> to pass it
17:46 < Baldzius> and the vorbis-tools with curl
17:48 < bfg> i had pdksh enabled. 
17:49 < Baldzius> default?
17:49 < bfg> no
17:49 < Baldzius> ic
17:50 < bfg> but i had another package (sorry i don't remember anymore which one it was), where i needed tcsh, because configure or any other script in it wanted to execute some csh-scripts
17:51 < Baldzius> i did default dekstop build with no extra packages selected
17:51 < jsaw> top: ... 24.5% ... 1339:05 rngd   (oh my, why did I choose to compile with SSP)
17:52 < mnemoc> bfg: openoffice needs tcsh
17:52 < _Ragnar_> anyone able to download the updated openh323?
17:52 < bfg> menemoc: openoffice wasn't in my build
17:52 < bfg> bfg: me
17:53 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: not me
17:53 < bfg> i will check this
17:55 < mnemoc> jsaw: foo-% replied
17:56 < _Ragnar_> jsaw: strange cuz the syntax in the desc. file seems off
17:58 < mnemoc> jsaw: what do you feel about weak ssp? harmless?
17:59 < _Ragnar_> weak?
17:59 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: r11130
18:00 < _Ragnar_> huh?
18:01 < mnemoc> without that patch 0?-dietlibc fails to build with ssp
18:02 < _Ragnar_> shouldn't dietlibc be fixed instead of weakening security?
18:02 < mnemoc> my wonder is if we are really weakening security with that
18:03 < mnemoc> but fixing dietlibc sounds good, if that is possible :)
18:03 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: missing ! in front of http
18:03 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11276 /trunk/package/network/openh323/openh323.desc: * fix download tag
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18:05 < jsaw> mnemoc: got it, will comment later 
18:06 < jsaw> mnemoc: concerning SSP, dietlibc does not need to be fixed, its already correct!
18:06 < jsaw> A fix instead of weak __stack_smash_handler would be to remove this function and insert it into the libc
18:07 < jsaw> Maybe somebody wants to check if uclibc already has its own __stack_smash_handler?
18:08 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: ? :)
18:08 < jsaw> ups
18:10 < jsaw> Hmmm, _Ragnar_, could you try this: compile dietlibc with "-D_LIBC_PROVIDES_SSP_" and without r11130
18:12  * mnemoc watchs gcc/*libc-masters
18:14 < mnemoc> rxr: can you give write access to morpho to mnemosyne's repo?
18:16 < rxr> mnemoc: of course
18:16 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks :)
18:19 < rxr> this subnotebook is a real number cruncher ...
18:22 < rxr> mnemoc: done
18:23 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks ;)
18:31 < _Ragnar_> jsaw: difficult at the moment
18:31 < _Ragnar_> I'll try in a few
18:32 < jsaw> np
18:32 < jsaw> I have to leave now anyway, take your time...
18:32 < jsaw> cu later
18:32 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 
18:33 < _Ragnar_> how do I revert one patch from svn?
18:38 < mnemoc> svn merge -r<n>:<n-1> .
18:39 < mnemoc> is libgnomedb/libgda 1.3 the devel branch?
18:42 < mnemoc> "1.3.0 is the first development release of the 1.3 series, which will lead to 2.0." yuck yuck yuck
18:43 < CIA-9> rene * r11277 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * the first half (tested) archivista usability improvements
18:58 < CIA-9> amery * r11278 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgda/libgda.desc: * updated libgda (1.3.4 -> 1.3.91)
18:59 < CIA-9> amery * r11279 /trunk/package/gnome2/mergeant/ (mergeant.conf mergeant.desc): * updated mergeant (0.53-CVS -> 0.62)
19:02 < CIA-9> amery * r11280 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomedb/libgnomedb.desc: * updated libgnomedb (1.3.4 -> 1.3.91)
19:05 < _Ragnar_> re
19:06 < mnemoc> re _Ragnar_ 
19:08 < morfoh> re *yawn*
19:09 < morfoh> hi all
19:10 < mnemoc> yawn morfoh 
19:22 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: can you try 11278,11279,11280 on x86_64? please :)
19:24 < _Ragnar_> O_O
19:29 < mnemoc> :)
19:30 < _Ragnar_> jsaw: it seems to compile at least
19:30 < morfoh> now I'm feeling a bit better ... 
19:30 < morfoh> what did I missed ?
19:35 < valentin> re
19:36 < morfoh> wb papa valentin :)
19:37 < mnemoc> re valentin 
19:38 < valentin> hey morfoh and mnemoc 
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19:45 < minto> moin
19:50 < morfoh> moin minto :)
19:50 < minto> Hi morfoh :)
19:50 < valentin> hi minto, janna holds your "pet" thing in her hands
19:50 < minto> :) I guess she like it 
20:00 < valentin> she likes things with intense colors :)
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20:13 < CIA-9> amery * r11281 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.pl: * fixed mnemosyne.pl tsort usage (even tokens forcing)
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20:25 < _Ragnar_> menomc: mergeant failed
20:26 < menomc> _Ragnar_: :(
20:26 < menomc> still pending here :p
20:27 < _Ragnar_> ==[build_this_package:847 (last $?=0)> aclocal
20:27 < _Ragnar_> /usr/share/aclocal/xmms.m4:17: warning: underquoted definition of XMMS_TEST_VERSION run info '(automake)Extending aclocal' or see http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal
20:27 < _Ragnar_> /usr/share/aclocal/xmms.m4:62: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_XMMS
20:27 < _Ragnar_> and so on
20:28 < menomc> .oO
20:28 < menomc> _Ragnar_: previous mergeant worked?
20:30 < _Ragnar_> yes
20:30 < menomc> try svn rm mergeant.conf
20:30 < _Ragnar_> O_O
20:30 < menomc> :)
20:32 < Baldzius> package bluez-hciemu fails 
20:33 < Baldzius> third fail on desktop target
20:34 < menomc> grep '^X' config/foo/packages | wc -l
20:37 < Baldzius> this fail is serious
20:37 < menomc> desktop on 2.1 builds flawless
20:38 < Baldzius> linux-2.4 header?
20:38 < menomc> 2.6.11
20:38 < menomc> i'll update it to 2.6.11.12 if morfoh's reference build pass
20:38 < morfoh> menomc: mnemonkey please change your nick :p
20:38 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc
20:38 < Baldzius> :)
20:39 < mnemoc> morfoh: how the reference built went with 2.6.11.12 as linux-header?
20:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: "monster box" hung in the morning but so far I could not see any problems
20:40 < mnemoc> morfoh: build resumed?
20:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: hopefully I can give you more infos tomorrow
20:41 < mnemoc> thanks
20:44 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: == 08/25/05 14:52:09 =[5]=> Finished building package mergeant.  <--- after svn rm mergeant.conf
20:45 < CIA-9> amery * r11282 /trunk/package/gnome2/mergeant/mergeant.conf: * removed mergeant.conf, 0.62 release doesn't need AC trickery
20:53 < rxr> re
20:53 < rxr> morfoh: maybe your hangs are like mine ...
20:53 < rxr> which package does it hang at?
20:54 < rxr> and best test the chroot ; ps  thing on it ..
20:54 < morfoh> rxr: it doesn't depend on a package afaics
20:54 < morfoh> rxr: but wait ... mono hung mostly
20:55 < rxr> hm
20:56 < rxr> but on your boy the builds continues when you go forward, right ?
20:56 < rxr> like non-deterministic ?
20:56 < morfoh> rxr: nope 
20:56 < mnemoc> NP-complete :)
20:56 < morfoh> rxr: if mono build fails it hangs but it doesn't freeze
20:57 < morfoh> rxr: but mostly the whole box freezes randomly 
20:57 < rxr> btw I can reproduce it on all boxes
20:57 < morfoh> rxr: shit 
20:58 < rxr> my build athlon - the archivista box (celeron 2Ghz) and my sub-notebook when a 32bit kernel is running
20:58 < rxr> the sub-notebook w/ Turion does not freeze when a 64bit kernel is running
20:58 < rxr> there thems to be some kernel bug (deadlock?) I trigger
20:59 < rxr> it was not pentium-mmx optimization - the archivista box is ppro optimized and I tried a athlon kernel on my athlon today
20:59 < rxr> I also tried a kernel withotu preemption - also locks ...
20:59 < rxr> I review later
20:59 < rxr> need to do more work first ..
20:59 < rxr> but it is really important since it is not one broken system - but a wide range of system with even totally different user-space binaries on them ...
21:00 < morfoh> rxr: do you think it's a t2 related issue ?
21:00 < morfoh> rxr: or a common one ?
21:00 < rxr> nope
21:00 < rxr> I think it is a kernel related issue that occures in "some .config combinations"
21:01 < rxr> we patch so less in the kernel that I would be supprised if it wouldbe "our" fault ..
21:02 < _Ragnar_> we do?:)
21:02 < rxr> not really feature wise
21:03 < rxr> mostly hotfixes and compile fixes
21:09 < mnemoc> the only exception is grub (fancyness) and crontab (-r protection) :)
21:09 < rxr> hehe
21:09 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: mergeant?
21:09 < _Ragnar_> not yet
21:09 < rxr> crontab -r is evil ..
21:10 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: not in a while either
21:11 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: libgda/libgnomedb updated worked fine on x86_32 so i'll commit, please let me know if mergeant needs x86_64 fixes
21:28 < CIA-9> rene * r11283 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/network.sh: * usability improvements for the archivista network.sh config script
21:40 < CIA-9> rene * r11284 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/chpasswd.sh: * more functionality and comments for archivista/chpasswd.sh
21:56 < Baldzius> guys, what about iptraf patch which mnemoc redirected to ML, now i have bluez-hciemu patch i don't know what to do 
21:56 < rxr> mnemoc: libgda 1.3.4 is just building on my Turion box
21:56 < mnemoc> Baldzius: i don't have any trunk sandbox to test it :(
21:56 < mnemoc> rxr: 1.3.91 :)
21:57 < rxr> Baldzius: send to list and I commit
21:57 < mnemoc> rxr: it is, [t2] [PATCH] fix iptraf
21:57 < rxr> == 08/25/05 22:02:58 =[5]=> Finished building package libgda.
21:57 < rxr> ^- turion 
21:57 < rxr> which is trunk
21:57 < mnemoc> rxr: it's not ;)
21:58 < mnemoc> rxr: [13:00:38] <CIA-9> amery * r11278 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgda/libgda.desc: * updated libgda (1.3.4 -> 1.3.91)
21:58 < mnemoc> 3 hours ago
21:59  * rxr svn upping
21:59 < rxr> mnemoc: do you want the test results now ?
21:59 < mnemoc> rxr: i already test them for p4
21:59 < rxr> you asked for x86_64?
21:59 < mnemoc> yes
22:00 < mnemoc> i tested them and all their dependees
22:00 < rxr> so - do you want the results now - or can I go to bed ..._?
22:00 < mnemoc> rxr: ok ok... go to sleep :)
22:01 < rxr> mnemoc: ah - we have been out of sync
22:02 < rxr> == 22:12:25 =[5]=> Building gnome2/libgda [1.3.91 2.2.0-alpha].
22:03 < CIA-9> rene * r11285 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (.fluxbox/menu avocr-restart.sh): * option to start the (wine based) OCR server in archivista
22:04 < Baldzius> mnemoc can i send this new patch to you , you'll redirect to ML i haven't subsribed yet
22:04 < rxr> Baldzius: the list is open
22:04 < rxr> just write ..
22:04 < Baldzius> oh ok
22:05 < Baldzius> it would be really nice
22:05 < Baldzius> if someone would look at iptraf patch
22:05 < rxr> but I need to update the spam heuristic ...
22:05 < Baldzius> and accepted or rejected
22:05  * _Ragnar_ nods
22:05 < rxr> too much spam recently ...
22:05 < rxr> == 08/25/05 22:18:44 =[5]=> Finished building package libgda.
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22:06 < _Ragnar_> hmm openh323 doesn't compile with ssp? O_O
22:06 < rxr> oh - the time above is 2x - since I need to reboot wth noapic for a correct system time .
22:06 < rxr> thus 3min for libgda on this "/sub-notebook/"
22:07 < _Ragnar_> transports.cxx: In constructor `H323ListenerTCP::H323ListenerTCP(H323EndPoint&, PIPSocket::Address, WORD, BOOL)':
22:07 < _Ragnar_> transports.cxx:1286: internal compiler error: in sweep_string_variable, at protector.c:1158
22:09 < rxr> .oO
22:10 < Baldzius> is it normal that there is no curl in desktop target?
22:10 < rxr> oehm
22:10 < CIA-9> rene * r11286 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/inittab: * disabled cntrl-alt-del for the archivista target
22:10 < rxr> Baldzius: maybe the package list needs an update after curl moved from base to network
22:10  * rxr just guessing
22:11 < Baldzius> i've checked twise, there is no curl in default dektop's target package list
22:11  * mnemoc hates repository based pkgsels!
22:13 < rxr> n8 all
22:13 < Baldzius> nite
22:13 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 
22:13 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
22:13  * rxr migrating away from them
22:13 < rxr> archivista is strict pkgsel ...
22:13  * rxr away
22:16 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr :)
22:20 < CIA-9> amery * r11287 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
22:20 < CIA-9> * merged 9757,10464,11278 from trunk: updated libgda (1.3.1 -> 1.3.91)
22:20 < CIA-9> * merged 9755,10515,11280 from trunk: updated libgnomedb (1.3.1 -> 1.3.91)
22:20 < CIA-9> * merged 11279,11282 from trunk: updated mergeant (0.53-CVS -> 0.62)
22:20 < CIA-9> * merged 11152 from trunk: libgda needs to find openldap and postgresql in lib64 on x86_64
22:49 < Shingo--> hi, re
22:52 < Baldzius> hi Shingo--
23:18 < mnemoc> Shingo--: did you tried gnome-volume-manager on runtime or just buildtime?
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23:32 < keinek> hi
23:32 < morfoh> hi keinek 
23:32 < morfoh> keinek: btw, do you drink Mate ?
23:34 < keinek> morfoh, no no... i like t?
23:34 < keinek> :)
23:34 < morfoh> :)
23:34 < keinek> but my parents drink mate.
23:34 < keinek> :P
23:35 < morfoh> keinek: how was the name of the "mate cup" ?
23:36 < morfoh> keinek: sth. like "bomb..." 
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23:45 < morfoh> damn ... "save as" in inkscape crashed my X
23:45 < mnemoc> .oO
23:47 < CIA-9> amery * r11288 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * readded curl and wget to desktop target, gone on r9778
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